Daniel Barenboim in conversation with Pierre Boulez

[@miryambarnabas2424]

How much I have learnt from these two Great Men! Thanks for sharing!

[@carpedei_]

what a great document for the future of music.

[@miryambarnabas2424]

Yes! Indeed!

[@arashdavoodi3038]

two incredible maestros..... I enjoyed that a lot

[@daveking4974]

13:30 Wagner, Bayreuth, Parsifal. I was there, my father "James King" sang Parsifal. A very interesting era!

[@pierocells]

James King had an exceptional, deep, delicate, wonderful voice, Dave, you've a chance such a father!

[@ftumschk]

@@pierocells He certainly did.

[@pierocells]

Nice to see singers! I belonged to several choirs, but never saw my partners singing, it's great!

[@watsonodin5110]

a tip: you can watch series on Kaldrostream. Been using it for watching lots of of movies lately.

[@elishaking4919]

@Watson Odin definitely, been watching on kaldroStream for since november myself =)

[@jeshpost5216]

Two of my favourite conductors.

[@miryambarnabas2424]

Me too!

[@stevenmccann7080]

Love listening to Boulez' analysing. Not in love listening to his music.

[@eliechemaly6038]

le grand pierre !

[@miryambarnabas2424]

"Le Grand Pierre!" = "The great 'Pierre' " =the man's Name!

[@chrish12345]

there was no 'break down of tonality' as if its some kind of 9/11 event, certain people decided to experiment without it, it still exists today fully intact

[@chrish12345]

yes they do co-exist, but you seem to be falling into the same trap when you say tonality 'has simplified' - its still the same as ever it was, possibly the people using it have become simpler? The great composers were never confined by 'tonality' anyway, whatever that means (Tovey could never understand the word) - perhaps we should substitute 'diatonicism'?

[@kpunkt.klaviermusik]

@@chrish12345 Chromaticism is one thing - Bach and many classical composers were very fond of. Twelvetone music on the other side is trying to juggle with the meaningless notes instead of intervals, melodic lines and chords. That's why it all sounds the same.

[@chrish12345]

@@kpunkt.klaviermusik yes they tried something new, my point is it was not a 'breakdown' like a car suffering with a bad exhaust pipe

[@changuanzhou7676]

Very much agree. Stravinsky has a great comment on tonality and 'atonality' , basically he just meant that the word 'atonality' is merely a idiotic invention, the same as words such as 'revolution' ,because it has never attached to the very essence of music (even the very essence of humanity i think). Stravinsky himself carried very much respect to Schoenberg.

[@jackspeight273]

why are they both speaking at 1500bpm?

[@kpunkt.klaviermusik]

What is the meaning of "zeitgenössisch"? Almost all of the "Avantgarde" composers are dead already.

[@kpunkt.klaviermusik]

@@Tbop3 Die Mindesthaltbarkeit dieser Musik ist abgelaufen ^^

[@riversandstones1644]

20 min? Why?

[@softskill06]

reichhaltig wie ein körnerbrötchen

[@limoreperetzwoloshin8860]

I also like Tristan and the Meister singer

[@torstenmaier5624]

Mit Werbung kann eine Gesellschaft bewegt werden. Auch hier auf KZbin können Werbungen gezielt sein.

[@jazzhotline]

Ask to Bach if he was writing tonal music 😂 it s a nonsense question and Boulez knows that. Tonality and atonality are just analytic words so Barenboim s question is for a large public audience in a pedagogic way otherwise the question is stupid. Art is evolution form the beginning I don’t think pre historic musicians were tonal so evertything is passing everything is changing but everything is connected

[@einmarmor]

I doubt if Barenboim understood all the words Boulez said.

[@miryambarnabas2424]

I don't think there's any problem : Am French! (ah ah!)

[@bayreuth79]

I despise the musical compositions of Boulez. Purely atonal music is no longer music at all. Schoenberg even said that music is not how it sounds.

[@Bashkii]

Boulez was a great analyst,great conductor and a mediocre composer. Serialism is no more than a useless extrapolation of the 12 tone system. The entire Darmstadt school was a bunch of arrogant and condescending composers that were convinced they were the iluminatti. I believe Serialism IS a dark period in music history.

[@pahalasyurgabarokah]

Mediocre composer? Any citation/valid proof to support your lowly argument?

[@BetonBrutContemporary]

His piano musics are debatably disastrous(except notations), true, but the orchestral (and musics using another instruments) works after he abandoned integral serialistic method are just phenomenal in my opinion, (for example, Notations, Anthemes 2, Messagesquisse, etc) and i think people should try these works out rather than trying listening to 'Structure' of his. But the musical taste of each people can differ. However, I suggest you and other people who are reading this to try the works not using integral serialism of Boulez without prejudice.

[@sallemjazz1]

The problem with the internet is that people like you are allowed to write idiocies and get them published.

[@wewewewewewewewewe]

@@sallemjazz1 the dude wrote I believe in the beginning of his last phrase. let him have an opinion ! doesn't hurt anyone

[@sallemjazz1]

​@@wewewewewewewewewe when someone writes "Boulez piano musics are debatably disastrous", his credit doesn't exist in my book... sorry. No tolerance for this kind of thinking over here.