Daniel Larusso Vs Terry Silver Is NOT Close | Ending This Debate

Bro no way people still think this turns out the way it does, insane glaze.
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[@Storm_editz354]

Yeah Silver never got stabbed, I remember seeing a video where the blood that Silver has on his face in the fight with Daniel was Chozen's blood. Because when Chozen gets Silver to the ground with the Sais and points it at Silver, Silver doesn't have any blood on his face until Chozen turns his back and Slashed him with the Katana.

[@aadilelamkulath7594]

You forgot that Chozen was drunk in his fight against silver and he said himself that drinking costed him the fight. Also is it really an argument that Chozen needed to use the pressure points while Daniel didn’t when Daniel was using the silver method that Chozen did not use? Also it’s kinda hard to compare chozen’s performance against silver to Daniel’s against silver when Chozen and silver were using weapons and silver clearly had the better weapon

[@Bokesyck]

@@aadilelamkulath7594 that’s why I only talked about their h2h altercation, also for Chozen that drink stuff sounds more like an excuse , as drunk Chozen is stronger than mid season Chozen by longshots

[@aadilelamkulath7594]

@@Bokesyckcould say the same about Johnny, except he got folded by the two guys in the parking lot fight and couldn’t aim a can of beer when he was drunk

[@Bokesyck]

@@aadilelamkulath7594 that means he’s quite literally WAY too drunk in that scene compared to Chozen who could still think logically vs Johnny who tried to jump people

[@Brainiac-x7k]

​@@Bokesyckyea true he had too much alcohol

[@Brainiac-x7k]

​@@aadilelamkulath7594cause johnny was not in the right mindset and he was sooo drunk 🫨😮‍💨

[@KewlWIS]

saying daniel beat a peak silver is straight lies, daniel beat an extremely tired silver (silver has bad stamina so dont say "he couldve recovered") as he couldnt even walk straight during the fight, so dont go saying he negative diffs the whole verse

[@Bokesyck]

@@KewlWIS I don’t think u understood the argument I didn’t say he beat peak terry I said u can’t quantify peak terry

[@KewlWIS]

@@Bokesyck u said silver cant close a gap by not being tired, i still think daniel wins but u cant use this argument to say danny >> peak chozen or silver also mental nerf daniel landed hits on silver as silver is not a defensive fighter, offensive fighters do get hits landed on them, doesnt make his performance any better than johnny's in s4

[@JVanimeenjoyer]

@@Bokesyck TLDR: IMO I’d say Peak Terry could beat Peak Daniel, maybe even with the pressure points technique. Well Daniel’s drunkenness should’ve worn off by the time of the fight idk, and Terry wasn’t too exhausted/fatigued. Although he did somewhat struggle to walk as seen during the final fight and also before when he goes to talk trash to Johnny at the house fight if I remember correctly. Also Johnny & Daniel didn’t get too much stronger since season 4 (excluding rage boost Johnny). We all saw what Terry did to Johnny (excluding the sneak attack) and Johnny was on par with Daniel’s level in season 4 (INCLUDING pressure points cause Johnny defended against them). Point I’m trying to make is that peak Terry seen in season 4 did beat a relatively peak (cause of the sneak attack & excluding the rage boost from season 5) Johnny. That should put Terry above Daniel 🤷‍♂️

[@JVanimeenjoyer]

Either way the fight is not one sided, it should be roughly close

[@garyhernandez2577]

I agree

[@GoofyEditsYT]

Nice analysis, people still have terry higher on the poll though sadly

[@NoeNgueguim]

Nah Terry wins When Terry beated Daniel Daniel was injured and when Daniel Beats Terry Terry Is not injured so that be injured by chozen Physically is harder that to be mentally nerfed

[@fldoomdeath8126]

you know what Silver called him out out in front of everyone all the students his family " you got ur ass kicked Danny boy now you can either accept that or i can kick it again right Now " once you challenge a Man in public like that its a fair fight no excuses after taking the L

[@GFreeDoesntRap]

This is the only valid statement I have yet to see

[@Infinite-99]

Ik i cant prove silver to be better or whatever, but you can’t deny that this fight makes absolutely no sense in the show. Like terry silver is built up as this big villain only to lose that easily to daniel? Silver should have won this. Or if they needed daniel to win, it should have been a very hard fight and silver should have been more noticeably weaker. And i dont think daniel not using pressure points is a fair way to downscale chozen. Because it still requires the same skill to successfully land the hits as any other moves and saying daniel is not at his peak for not using pressure points is like saying s4 robby was not at his peak at the AV because he didnt use the two legged kick.

[@Bokesyck]

@@Infinite-99 first of all the fight absolutely does make sense at all, he lost so easily in the context that Daniel has finally found his balance at the end of the season and could use silver’s style and combine it with his own to easily beat him, imagine if in episode 10 silver won, then what, they stretch out the show, makes no sense, idk how people come to the conclusion Silver should’ve narratively won this fight given the context of the fight itself Also the Robby thing is at all not the same, Chozen used the PP to blatantly beat up silver whereas the 2 legged kick is shown to briefly work but Miguel is really not hurt from it at all lmfao. Also I never used it as a way to downscale Chozen I used it as a way to upscale Daniel which is what people do not understand

[@mightguy3118]

Silver is in his 70's lmao this new generation would be a joke if they were losing to 70 year old men

[@GaspiZWis]

W video, this is literally what many cobra kai fans have to understand, Terry didn't get stabbed by Chozen and after that fight he spent all the time he was talking to Johnny and then the time he took to drive from his house to the dojo, so obviously Terry wasn't tired or hurt lol

[@KewlWIS]

he was tired, hes an old man in his 70s u cant expect him to have good stamina, he was tweakin the whole fight with daniel and couldnt even walk right, its just headcannon to assume silver wasnt tired and daniel was even tho silver has bad stamina and daniel doesnt

[@hamaadakhtar4841]

@KewlWIS mate facts.

[@isaiahelluistanap5652]

​@KewlWIS So ok silver in his 70s super old. Daniel in his 50s also old but not as old as terry.

[@hamaadakhtar4841]

@@isaiahelluistanap5652 bro you do realise that even at 50 years old you can still have good stamina and stuff and terry silver in his 70s his heart rate has almost reached its limit by then. Daniel is like middle age which is quite good for him like when you get to the age of 69 then you are considered old so yeah mate.

[@isaiahelluistanap5652]

​@@hamaadakhtar4841 yeah I know terry is so OP while being Old

[@GFreeDoesntRap]

Chozen was DEFINITELY trying to kill Silver...he even said "Im not afraid to kill!" before the fight

[@Bokesyck]

@@GFreeDoesntRap explain why he didn’t stab then

[@GFreeDoesntRap]

@Bokesyck Simple, He didn't have the opportunity too. When fighting with sais you gotta be careful, especially when fighting against an opponent that has a weapon with longer range than you. And Silver had a Katana, which has range and damage advantage. If you look at the fight, Silver had Chozen mainly on the defense. If Chozen attempted to stab and missed, he would have been completely open. And the time that Chozen had the opportunity his sais were already in a reverse position so he stabbed at Silver with the handle.

[@GFreeDoesntRap]

@Bokesyck if you think an ASSASSIN isn't going to try to kill a person who is CLEARLY trying to kill them, then you are insane lol. Kinda lowers your credibility to be doing analysis like this, tbh....at the end the only reason Chozen didn't finish off Silver is bc the threat was no longer there bc he already beat him. However DURING the fight, you don't know what's gonna happen, so you can't take chances....you must not be a fighter in real life lol. Main rules of martial arts/Fighting in general, in REAL LIFE, finish fight as quickly as possible and leave the scene FAST!

[@imtiyazyasir23]

Cobra Kai all Silver fight scenes and who won: Season 4: Johnny vs Silver round 1: Silver won Season 5: Daniel vs Silver round 1: Silver won Season 5: Chozen vs Silver: Chozen won Season 5: Daniel vs Silver round 2: Daniel won Season 6: Kreese vs Silver: Silver won Season 6: Johnny vs Silver round 2: Johnny won

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

@@imtiyazyasir23 why Was Johnny vs silver unfair?

[@imtiyazyasir23]

​@@cobrakaineverdies175 That Johnny vs. Silver fight in season 4 was an unfair fight because Silver sucker kicked him, and Johnny even called him out on it in season 5

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

@ catching him off guard doesn’t matter, since Johnny caught Terry off gaurd right after, and even then Terry would’ve still beaten him, Johnny got slammed and still got folded despite reverting to defence

[@ninclow5421]

I feel like you are missing out on something big here. First of all, just because the pressure points worked on Silver when Chozen used them don't make the technique some magical "power move" where, if Chozen used it to beat Silver and Daniel didn't, it means that it is because he had to and Daniel didn't "need it", or automatically means Daniel's a better fighter than Chozen for not using it. The Daniel vs Silver fights didn't come down to who were the better fighter were, (which is Silver, truth be told. He was evenly matched with Chozen, compared to Daniel, whom Chozen beat handily while sparring in Myiagi-Do style and took down in one move when _demonstrating_ The Way of the Fist to him. The outcome of _both_ Daniel vs. Silver fights had more to do with balance. Who had thrown the other off balance mentally, and who were more focused? In a test of pure skill, Silver beats Daniel 9 times out of 10, but when Daniel can throw him off balance and out-pefrorm him by staying more focused on the rhythm of the fight? Then Daniel gets a win.

[@Bokesyck]

@@ninclow5421 you’re using old Chozen and Daniel scaling from up to 2 whole seasons ago so it’s invalid, and Chozen quite literally cheap shot Daniel in the demonstration which was the entire point, this is what I mean by people just put scenarios against Daniel that don’t make sense. Just so u know the pressure points was shown to be a magic power move from the moment it was shown, u kinda proved my point by saying Chozen needs it and Daniel didn’t but okay sure. I didn’t say Daniel is a better fighter BECAUSE he didn’t use PP, I used it as a way to show Daniel in the final fight couldve been stronger so u twisted my words a bit Also whatever u said about throwing off balance or sum shit is just headcanon u made up, as well as not the point of the video because I’m putting them up against each other in their peak versions. Silver in the final fight was not thrown off mentally at all, from his voice it was shown he was angry, which kreese explains earlier in the season that anger makes a cobra Kai stronger, if I wanted to rat I could say Silver was stronger in that fight than with Chozen but I won’t go keep it fair, Daniel wins 10/10 times at their peaks, silver doesn’t play by balance rules mentally like Daniel.

[@Bigramt]

I agree with this take The season specifically tells us someone fight for will always have an advantage over someone fighting against. Remember Daniel and Chozen explaining this to Sam? Johnny and Daniel both were fighting for at the end of the season. Johnny took his rage boost when he saw the scanned image of his unborn kid Just to note that Daniels defence became much more balanced, he was able to fight with 100% focus. Whereas Johnny was able to channel all his aggression and go all out on attack A bit off topic, but it's obvious that Johnny and Daniel are equal, just different sides off the same coin. Ying and yang

[@ninclow5421]

@@Bokesyck And in those two seasons, how much time pass in-universe? And Daniel gets this supposed power boost how?

[@sbfb242]

People who say terry was injured are basically saying hes weak af. Terry got hit like 3 times by a drunk Chozen

[@Anomaly_Files18]

Im pretty sure Chozen never needed to use the pressure points, but he wanted to show Silver No Mercy like he said before.

[@Bokesyck]

@@Anomaly_Files18 he could’ve done that without pressure points if he was capable, if that was the gas she comm would’ve used it from the very start

[@Anomaly_Files18]

@@Bokesyck He could of, but the pressure points are one of the most powerful techniques in the show so far, so it beats any punch or kick that anyone has. Chosen is also a master sensei, which Silver, Daniel, or Johnny are not which means he has more experience.

[@larryforgy1702]

Can you scale the 2010 Karate Kid characters to Cobra Kai also can you do the same thing with Kickin It

[@Bokesyck]

@@larryforgy1702 I was lowkey thinking about this

[@JPFan-oi1jq]

“Mentally nerfed” 💀

[@brothsipper-h5o]

Ngl I was scared this was gonna get debunked in Season 6 Part 2 but Johnny mid diffing Silver in episode 10 makes the argument for Daniel even stronger

[@hamaadakhtar4841]

Yeah season 6 Daniel also beats terry silver.

[@zelphplayz]

Let's not forget that Chozen fought Terry while being drunk

[@jambogames678]

so did Daniel, plus even that night Daniel was drinking Obviously Chozen was more drunk but Silver said "I thought you'd at least prove more of a challenge than LaRusso" Chozen was drunk, Daniel was drinking and his wife left him meaning more nerfed Daniel is on par with kinda nerfed Chozen

[@Gobl1n-tt6tj]

@@jambogames678 no? chosen negative diffs daniel, chosen let silver up twice in a row during their fight on purpose, silver folded johnny who is relative to daniel as shown in season 4 negative diff and chosen no-negative diffs silver whole being drunk and holding back

[@cobraverse08]

Cool vid

[@bleedingcrystal4722]

The first fight was a far more accurate representation of their abilities.

[@Bokesyck]

@@bleedingcrystal4722 absolutely not Terry glaze is insane 💀

[@bleedingcrystal4722]

@ part of warfare for Terry is the mental game. Daniel wasn’t in the game mentally because Terry was beating him to a pulp mentally. In any sport if you can take someone out of the game mentally it’s a credit to you and not treated as some kind of deduction as you’re doing. They were both fresh. Both probably had some drinks in them but who cares. No matter how much you downplay it, facts are facts……in the 2nd fight Terry had just finished what was nearly a death duel with Chozen, who is a stronger opponent than Daniel. It took EVERYONE putting their heads together to get Terry mentally off balance, which Terry did to Daniel easily. Daniel’s karate looks comically bad. I know that’s the difference in the time the actors have invested in karate, but it’s there.

[@Someguy0525]

I see a lot of people calling chozen the new Mr. Miyagi but it’s actually balanced Daniel.

[@hamaadakhtar4841]

Nope kk3 terry silver and kk3 John kreese as well along side Kim sung young currently and maybe rage Johnny perhaps.

[@hunterofcamas9090]

People make excuses for anything these days.

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

If you’d actually watch the video it proves how Daniel is stronger than Terry. +I also made a comment discussing it with someone

[@hunterofcamas9090]

​@@cobrakaineverdies175I did. And that's what I mean. People always make excuses for Terry getting his ass handed to him by Daniel because they can't accept that Daniel is better. That's what I mean by people will make excuses for anything.

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

@@hunterofcamas9090 oh sorry, makes sense! And I’m glad you have sense. I thought you were another cry baby that can’t except that Terry lost fair and square, thank god you are not like that tho. Not to mention, also when ever a fan favourite loses, some guy is just gonna say “mentally needed”

[@hunterofcamas9090]

​@@cobrakaineverdies175Nah. If anything, I shouted excitedly when Daniel did the crane kick on Silver.

[@Gobl1n-tt6tj]

@@hunterofcamas9090 he isn't but ok

[@irvinalexanderflores]

I mean, even chozen wasn't at his peak he was shit faced drunk fighting Silver

[@KentPetersonmoney]

Chozen also wasn't really a drinker. In season 3 he said he didn't drink so he likely dosen't have the drunk fighting ability Johnny has.

[@baconhair5609]

Jesus died and rose agian if you believe that he died and rose and were saved by grace through faith alone you will be saved. Once Saved Always saved no need to repent from your sins for salvation.

[@xxx-funandtheories8337]

I don't think Chozen used the pressure point technique on silver but he hit the bottom of silvers pants. Watch closely bro. Because that's hurts a lot!

[@Bokesyck]

@@xxx-funandtheories8337 that is the definition of a pressure point, hitting a certain weak point on the body, he even got in the stance for it 💀

[@xxx-funandtheories8337]

@Bokesyck i know what it means 😅 but they showed that button for a reason I guess

[@tenzrex3845]

They where drunk weren’t they

[@brothsipper-h5o]

I actually think Silver was injured/fatigued but not as much as people make him out to be, he never got stabbed and he did have time to recover, hes also able to kind of fight like he does at his peak and uses silver bullet, Id say hes around nerfed Daniel and suppresed Chozen level, and in the fight, Terry never reacts or gets any hits on Daniel, while nerfed Daniel are able to react and in Daniel's case even get some hits, theres also the fact Daniel kind of masters quicksilver so being fatigued or not wouldnt change how he would be able to use it, so yeah Daniel should be slightly stronger, and its not like fatigued/Terry even put up a fight, if he put up a decent fight then yeah it would make sense for him to be over but he literally isnt able to react or get any hits in yeah Daniel slams (high/extreme diff)

[@brothsipper-h5o]

Also Johnny slams Silver as well

[@Madaragod-w7q]

Sliver is cannonly older then both Johnny and Daniel in the miyagi verse it is noticeable as he has pure white hair he has bad stamina meaning he can’t just heal fast he fought with chozen then immediately fought a Daniel at his peak if Johnny could slam sliver sliver wouldn’t be a major threat sliver easily defeats Johnny in s4 the s5 adults aren’t much stronger then s4 Johnny and Daniel are roughly equal or Johnny being a bit stronger sliver had a whole season dedicated to him being the main villain Johnny nor Daniel can beat a peak sliver

[@brothsipper-h5o]

I literally said Silver wasn't at his strongest in the fight, he also had time to recover probably more, also using Season 4 is not a good argument because Daniel and Johnny both get stronger in season 5, and Daniel being over Silver at his strongest in old age just gets even more confirmed when Johnny mod diffs him in season 6 and Hayden confirms Daniel and Johnny are both equal which is consistent as Daniel has better defense against Wolf, even if I didn't make this rebunk, your response didn't really even debunk any of the points I made, Daniel still neg diffed a weakened Terry who should be stronger than Dabiel in the apartment fight and suppressed Chozen

[@Madaragod-w7q]

@@brothsipper-h5o this is simply false the6 didn’t grow much in season 5 other then gaining balance the season 6 argument is flawed as terry hasn’t been fighting a lot while Johnny has been continuously fighting and getting better sliver thought johhny didn’t get stronger which is wh6 johhny can handle him if this wasn’t the final season sliver would be back to whooping Daniel and johhny

[@Madaragod-w7q]

@@brothsipper-h5o yo7 are contradicting yourself in this “debunk” saying sliver was weakened if you take another look at my comment you can see that I state sliver is much older then Johnny and Daniel (in the Miyagi verse’s cannon) Daniel hadn’t fought anyone however sliver had just went toe to toe with chozen who is above Daniel and Johnny

[@liquidocelot6294]

Daniel, only won because of plot armor

[@Bokesyck]

@@liquidocelot6294 if u think it’s plot then u did not understand the meaning behind the fight

[@liquidocelot6294]

@ every fight that Daniel has ever won is nothing but plot armor

[@target9180]

Yeah Daniel has the most plot armour after Miyagi do

[@HeroSenseiKid]

🔥

[@MeatFaceGo]

W video

[@Lgeocity]

the blood is chozens and if silver was better then Daniel thay would have made silver win but Daniel is better

[@Kwonjxs27]

Daniel is not above base chozen chozen literally took him down with low effort in the beginning of s5

[@Bokesyck]

@@Kwonjxs27 and Hyan woo beat up Johnny earlier in the season so idk ur point

[@Kwonjxs27]

@ Johnny only ended up beating hyan woo at rage amp which is way above his base form

[@Gobl1n-tt6tj]

@@Bokesyck Daniel is nowhere near base level chosen lmao or even drunk chosen, silver negative diffed johnny who is on par and relative to daniel in season 4 and daniel can't do the pressure point technique as well as chosen so he messed up using it against johnny so he took him down. Chosen while drunk + holding back let silver up twice in during their fight. Drunk + holding back chosen mid diffs silver, base chosen no-negative diffs silver. So Chosen negative diffs holding back and silver as explained earlier low-mid diffs daniel. whether you like it or not, doesn't even matter what you or i say he was tired after fighting chosen and that "feat" of daniel" winning against silver should be taken with a grain of salt. Chosen so far is the best fighter in the show/movie def top 4. Bad take btw

[@hamaadakhtar4841]

@@Gobl1n-tt6tjhonesty facts. Finially someone who understands.

[@Gentleman_Hedgie]

Terry Silver would destroy Daniel in 30 seconds!

[@Bokesyck]

@@Gentleman_Hedgie hard to believe when he didn’t land a hit on him lmao

[@jacobtove6763]

​@@BokesyckBro season 5 finale was filled with the biggest plot armour moments Johnny suddenly destroying 5 highly skilled senseis Daniel beating Terry when it makes no sense for him to be able to do so

[@jacobtove6763]

​@Bokesyck And its up to the writers how ridiculous that you have the best cobra kai sensei get demolished by Daniel

[@Gobl1n-tt6tj]

@@jacobtove6763 he didn't, if u actually paid attention it was a 1v1 and a half 1 time, they all stood in the back waiting for their turns looking at johnny while 1 sensei fights. Johnny takes a bear mug and and smashed it crushing that guys skull and another he slammed onto a tv then table. The dude with the ring just got his fingers sliced of giving johnny an easy and he didn't even knockout the other 2 that were still standing. At most Johnny did a 1v1 smashing that guy onto a table crushing their spine and smashing another persons skull with a beer mug. 1v1 and a half 1 time. He did not once ever in the whole show fight a 1v5 that is false.

[@sewyeditsl]

Facts. And if Daniel wasn’t drunk he could’ve beaten Silver even harder. For those saying that drunk = amp, the whole point of Miyagi-Do is being in a good mental state and balanced, which goes to the opposite of being drunk. I think if Chozen was sober he could’ve beaten Silver (he technically did but showed mercy and of course Silver had to play dirty). Final scaling: Balanced Daniel >> Peak Chozen > Peak Terry > Unbalanced Daniel > Peak Mike >= Base Chozen > Rage Amped Johnny

[@KewlWIS]

daniel says it himself thats hes not "that drunk" So it wouldnt affect his fighting daniel beat a really tired silver cuz silver has terrible stamina, hes not that far ahead of the adults

[@sewyeditsl]

@@KewlWIS he was trying to persuade the guy to get into his van and you could see the look on his face when he said that

[@KewlWIS]

@@sewyeditsl no he barely showed signs of drunkness, infact hes the most sober out of the 4 in the limo and walked 2+ miles without falling

[@sewyeditsl]

@@KewlWIS anyone could do that, and to fight off a few senseis while drunk is harder than that.

[@sewyeditsl]

@@KewlWIS standing in the middle of the road? and he clearly stopped in his tracks when he says “I’m not- that drunk.” Even if you’re right that his statement was true, he will still drunk and somewhat under the effects of alchohol.

[@symphonicjay682]

Daniel wins hands down

[@skullz-m7d]

i am not watching allat i hope you have daniel low diffing

[@hellotoday7435]

Daniel bodies. He no diff a slightly fatigue Terry. Daniel is a whole tier above Silver.

[@KewlWIS]

slightly fatigue my ass, he was tweakin the entire fight and couldnt even walk right

[@RomMor2]

Slightly fatigue...Have you ever been in a fight like that dumb@ss?

[@hamaadakhtar4841]

@KewlWISI know the problem is that this youtuber just hard glazes Daniel he even said that kk3 Daniel is above Mike Barnes and said that Mike Barnes solos every cobra Kai teen which is true except for the fact that Daniel stated that Robby s1 is better than his kk3 self so basically bokesy has hard contradicted himself here as this would mean that s1 Robby is better than kk3 Mike which completely flaws his logic so this youtuber is really ignorant to this fact and plus balanced Daniel would beat s5 terry silver but terry silver wouldn’t go down without an a good fight though so I would say high to extreme difficulty for balanced Daniel mate.

[@LiskHelio]

This is like saying "hawk at the end of season 2 is weaker than demetri" completely ignoring how he fought 10 miyagi dos before he lost to demetri.

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

Terry had time to recover on the way to the dojo from his injuries (mind you, they weren’t even bad injuries, he had no bruises or scars just blood on his face which is chozens) And a mental nerfed Daniel was able to fight on par with Terry so it makes sense Daniel at his best would beat him

[@Bokesyck]

@@LiskHelio this is not at all the same what

[@imtiyazyasir23]

Okay, that was just bad writing. Demetri beating Hawk in season 2. How did Hawk lose??? Hawk is on the level of Robby and Miguel, and Demetri isn't. 🤦

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

@@imtiyazyasir23 not in season 2 though, he got folded by Miguel and Robby. Hawk was injured but it’s unproven if that changes the way he fights, or how far injured hawk is off his base self, so demetri would win

[@imtiyazyasir23]

@@cobrakaineverdies175 Yeah, he is. In season 2, Robby, Hawk, and Miguel are the three strongest boys. With Miguel in first, Robby in second and Hawk in third. In season 2, Hawk should have beaten up Demetri. Even in the later seasons like season 4, the characters acknowledge that Demetri isn't on the level of Robby, Hawk, and Miguel

[@cobrakaineverdies175]

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