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@andrefarfan43723 жыл бұрын
Thanks.👍
@TheMaster12372 жыл бұрын
Hey UsefulCharts, can you do a video on ancient texts?
@charliedegiulio99513 ай бұрын
Are you going to redesign this poster?
@astridbek21833 жыл бұрын
It's worth mentioning that Margrethe II's son, heir apparent after her, is also named Frederik. And *his* first-born son is named... you guessed it, Christian. So really, if you consider Margrethe a honorary Christian, then the pattern continues for at least two more generations.
@TheMoonwalker1013 жыл бұрын
Her parents should have named her Christina!
@phtuber54693 жыл бұрын
And then he is gonna name his son Frederik and he will name his son Christian and it will keep going in an unending loop , to infinity and beyond.
@Ludovicus17693 жыл бұрын
@@TheMoonwalker101 Would be fun but no, Magrete was already a royal name, and Magrethe is close to that.
@davidmb13163 жыл бұрын
@@phtuber5469 but Denmark changed the succession law in 2009 so if Christian's eldest child is a daughter, she will become Queen, very likely Margrethe III.
@davidmb13163 жыл бұрын
@@TheMoonwalker101 Margrethe II wasn't born to be the Queen, in fact she wasn't eligible to inherit the Throne until the change of the Danish constitution in 1953 when she was 13 years. She is named after her maternal grand mother, the english born Princess Margaret (Margareta) of Sweden, who was married to the future King Gustav VI, but died when Margrethe's mother, the future Queen Ingrid of Denmark was only 10 years old.
@AQJ_DK11 ай бұрын
Now that Queen Margrethe II has announced her abdication effective Jan 14th 2024 (her 52nd anniversary) we will soon need this chart updated!
@JunesGo3 жыл бұрын
4:15 from my understanding he wasn't so much stabbed 56 times by 'an' unknown assassin as he was stabbed by a group og 56 unknown assassins. So that no singular person could be proven to have killed the king and no one of them could deny their involvement.
@Basedbateman972 жыл бұрын
Yeah very true, Also his own Bodyguards and retainers might have joined in fear of being killed themself.
@MrRoboticeyes2 жыл бұрын
ah yes, one of the oldest trick in the book
@Sigart2 жыл бұрын
It's more likely that it was a small group and not actually a full group of 56 people and they just made sure to stab him once for each person involved in the conspiracy. For the reasons you already mentioned.
@MustafaAtacc Жыл бұрын
@@Sigart why they were hating him so much tho
@Sigart Жыл бұрын
@@MustafaAtacc Good question. It's been the subject of much speculation, but since we don't actually know who killed him, it's hard to say. Though, with kings, isn't it usually taxes or power someone wanted and didn't get?
@jonathanwebster70912 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Christian IX of Denmark not only lived long enough to see his son Vilhelm become King George I of Greece, and his grandson Carl become King Haakon VII of Norway, but he also lived long enough to see the births of his great-grandsons Frederik IX of Denmark, Olav V of Norway, and Alexander I, George II and Paul I of Greece, all of whom were born within his lifetime.
@labbecedario1579 Жыл бұрын
Another interesting fact is that, genetically speaking, Christian IX of Denmark was so much closer to a sovereign of the British royal family (to king George II, his great-great-grandfather, born in 1683) than to his direct ancestor to the Danish royal dinasty (i.e. Christian III of Denmark, who was born in 1503 and lived 9 generation before him)
@jonathanwebster7091 Жыл бұрын
@@labbecedario1579 as well as all of them being being related in the direct male line to Charles III of Britain, who is the great-great grandson of Christian IX (in the direct male line). The ancestry goes Christian IX of Denmark-George I of Greece-Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark-Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh-Charles III, King of the UK. And of course, both are directly related in the male line to Harald V of Norway and Margrethe II of Denmark as well.
@StAugustine63 жыл бұрын
TIL the origins of Bluetooth. Legitimately thought you were about to make a joke when you said that.
@sassmos3 жыл бұрын
That means all the monarchy leaders can trace their lineage to Ragnar Lothbrok
@thomasdixon43733 жыл бұрын
Nice to see an updated version on Danish monarchy
@barbarajean65383 жыл бұрын
"But wait! There's more!" LOL! Love ya, Jack!
@Robi20093 жыл бұрын
3:50 - I'd add he introduced Danish flag - white cross on red field; one of - if not the oldest flags today
@zacharytyler60442 жыл бұрын
I know this video is 11 months old, but at 7:54 when it’s said that the UK has not had any Oldenburg kings yet, that did change with the death of Elizabeth II. Patrilineally, Charles III is a descendant of the house of Oldenburg.
@RedKnight2312 жыл бұрын
As a descendant of the Oldenburg family, Anna Oldenburg being my 13th great grandmother, I found this video to be interesting, and informative.
@JohnYoung-lt8gg2 жыл бұрын
Your posters are epic. Thank you for swift international delivery 🙏
@martijnstuart952 жыл бұрын
Kind of wild that the Danish royal family is still directly descended from Ragnar Lothbrok
@veronicajensen76905 ай бұрын
@@IvanKristiansen yes they are however all Danes and many others are is the correct answer
@TheMoonwalker1013 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on some prominent European noble families? Maybe those who have married into reigning and formerly-reigning dynasties? The Ligne, Lobkowicz, Polignac, etc. families come to mind!
@mohamedelkhomsi8342 жыл бұрын
they will never do that. then we know their secret path to the royal families from banks to oil and more. they came to power by lending money to the royal families. Lobkowich is an Askhanazi Jewish family ..it's forbidden to talk about THEM they are victims they say, that way they can split us without us being able to do anything .. Ukraine's president is one of them he was an actor before he became president . it's a joke .. his by name fits with their (Zelensky)
@brandurell3 жыл бұрын
I think Denmark lost Norway because Denmark was on the losing side of the Napoleonic wars, and lost Norway (but not Iceland, faroe Islands and Greenland) to Sweden.
@pedanticradiator14913 жыл бұрын
Yes they were. Denmark was one of the few countries to side with Napoleon throughout the Wars
@victoralexandervinkenes91932 жыл бұрын
Norway also experienced some amount of weirdness in nationhood too, considering most Norwegians recognises that Norway was independent for a brief time AFTER Denmark but BEFORE Swedish rule... is it at all accurate?
@emilkjrklaksvig60462 жыл бұрын
@@victoralexandervinkenes9193 Yeah us Danes new Sweden would demand Norway so we gave them independence. But Sweden just took them.
@kristianjohansen55612 жыл бұрын
Yes, Denmark got forced into the war by britain. the british attacked Denmarks capital and its fleet holding there (the battle of Copenhagen, 1807), because they were afraid the french would get the danish fleet and therefore compete with the british navy (the danish fleet was among the strongest in europe at the time, after Britain). after that the neutrality status for Denmark ended and they seemed it necessary to join Napoleon.
@fredriks50903 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting if you made a chart for Norway, kind of like the Australian king of Britain video. The main perpetrators and theme; Catholicism vs "proto-protestantism", "St." Olaf, Sigurd the Crusader and imperialists vs local thugs. Olaf is the "Forever-king" of Norway, but would there have been a "true" heir other than the current Oldenburgs?
@pcatful11 ай бұрын
Why? Why do fing care?
@olghagaarsdal96043 жыл бұрын
as a dane its really funny hearing the translations - they're not wrong but when you're used to saying "Gorm den gamle" its funny hearing him getting called Gorm the old. And thats not the worst one haha
@stichhalbierer93293 жыл бұрын
My German brain makes gorm den gamle to gorm den gammeligen, that translates to gorm the rotten
@nannasbraindump63432 жыл бұрын
I die a little inside, every time I hear 'Canute'😩
@carolarol2 жыл бұрын
@@nathantibbitts6415 most Danes call him Svend Tveskæg, so Sweyn would also be incorrect. More like Sven in frozen.
@Majse08122 жыл бұрын
I find Canute so funny, when you consider we call them Knud.🤣
@villadspedersen39707 ай бұрын
@@nannasbraindump6343 ja sig nu for helvede bar knud eller knut eller cnut eller hvad du nu vil men canute lyder så mærkeligt
@Nooticus3 жыл бұрын
Great video, very well explained!
@SkyWalker-ke9ms3 жыл бұрын
Is there a possibility to do one about the Scythians?
@Songbirdstress11 ай бұрын
Ha, knew there'd be useful info on Useful Charts :)
@Kingdemonpigfromhell3 жыл бұрын
Wait, it's all Oldenburg? Always has been.
@pedanticradiator14912 жыл бұрын
Only since the 15th century
@dfuher9682 жыл бұрын
Its all different lines from the same ancestor tho. Queen Margrethe II is, despite the changes between lines as various lines died out, a direct descendant of Gorm.
@veronicajensen76905 ай бұрын
@@pedanticradiator1491 that was when the name changed but the family is the same at least from Gorm the old or actually from his dad, but we only know Denmark as a united Country stating from Gorm and completed by his sn Bluetooth that is why we count from there but there are "King of the Danes listed in French sources dating back 100 years the last on the list is the father of Gorm the old
@carolarol2 жыл бұрын
Queen Margrete actually took one of the Christian spots in order to bring the Frederik line up to speed. If you notice, the Frederiks were always a number behind the Christians. But the crown prince is named Frederik and his son is named Christian. So Margrete is really just an honorary Christian.
@benjiskyler78362 жыл бұрын
Bought both European royal family posters awhile ago, and came in handy while watching the beginning of a documentary about the former King of Greece, third cousin and brother-in-law of Magrethe II. He mentioned that his great-grandmother was the brother of a British queen and a Russian empress. His mother's brother was Prince of Hanover...
@lukediehl12102 жыл бұрын
This is so cool. I was doing my family tree, and found that I'm a direct descendant of Christian III.
@amitystan2 жыл бұрын
How do you have the patience to find out these type of things??? I’m impressed, I myself don’t have much viable information, I just know I have Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, African, maaaaybe Greek and arab, and indigenous descendence, very diverse I know, but most of those I know from my dad since my mom’s family are from a small town, and I’m from Brazil which maybe difficult things bcause we normally don’t care about our family origins
@nightstalker.59733 жыл бұрын
I live in the city of Oldenburg in Lower Saxony Germany. I have never heard about the house of Oldenburg, I gotta research it a little and maybe find a connection. Great video.
@vrenak3 жыл бұрын
It's a different Oldenburg, the house is from Oldenburg in modern day Schleswig-Holstein, which was then a danish fief, and thus a cadet branch of the older royal family was given the duchy as a fief, eventually returning the family back to the throne.
@frederikjrgensen2523 жыл бұрын
@@vrenak no it is not a oldenburg located in Schleswig holsttein. The last danish ruler who was count of oldenburg was 1766 to 1773.
@vrenak3 жыл бұрын
@@frederikjrgensen252 You're mixing up things, There are more than 1 Oldenburg in modern day SH.
@nightstalker.59733 жыл бұрын
@@vrenak I’m sorry but everything I could find points to the house of Oldenburg originating from Oldenburg Lower Saxony.
@vrenak3 жыл бұрын
@@nightstalker.5973 Totally different house. not related to this family.
@bolle98103 жыл бұрын
The Swedish one should be remade as there are a few important things missing in it
@amogus----------52313 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if you combined the east and west charts.
@charliedegiulio99512 жыл бұрын
It would be too big to fit on a poster.
@bertbert49602 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The House of Oldenburg had its first king in the UK.
@jonathanwebster70912 жыл бұрын
Also fun fact: Christian X was also the (only) King of Iceland during the period 1918-1944 when it was an independent Kingdom in a personal union with Denmark, as Kristján X (there being no separate numeral for Iceland).
@stevejohnson33573 жыл бұрын
Here's a chart I would like to see: the Verigin family who are traditionally leaders of the Dukhobor sect. I went to university with JJ, now head of the family.
@doasvan22372 жыл бұрын
Please do the Armenian charts!! It's so interesting , they have so much history 🙏🙏
@imaad20423 жыл бұрын
I want to learn the History of all regions of the world from antiquity to modern but the starting point is always a problem. This channel solves my problem to a large extent
@siegesquirrel422 жыл бұрын
"Wait, it's all Oldenburgs?" "Har altid vaeret."
@AnimalLover-is2fc2 жыл бұрын
Now Australia is gonna have a connection with the Danes through Queen Mary.
@pedanticradiator14912 жыл бұрын
She's not the Queen yet
@JonBastian3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Having only just having recently learned through DNA testing that I'm actually 1/3 Scandinavian rather than German, French, and British, this was a nice eye-opener -- and it also explains how my ancestors could have physically come from Germany, England, and Wales, but none of my DNA did. The Danish kingdom thing might also explain the touch of Italian DNA in me, too.
@MistbornPrincess2 жыл бұрын
I’m writing a retold fairytale of The Seven Ravens/Wild Swams. The 7 brothers are Magnus, Frederick, Christian, Valdemar, Erik, Sweyn, And Olaf, after Danish kings. They aren’t princes but their father is a chieftain of a semi-nomadic forest clan and their sister marries a king of my Russian-influenced kingdom.
@mariannejensen349 Жыл бұрын
The Oldenbourg line died out with Frederik VII.Glüchsbourg, was from the name of the castle in which Christian, later King Christian IX grew up in
@veronicajensen76905 ай бұрын
yes but he was also from the same Family, so the line didn't die out the name changed
@fedromanca90853 жыл бұрын
I' ll be very glad about a video about the Italians pretenders of the Italian throne
@Moneytane19763 жыл бұрын
Valdemar II was also the king who was rumoured to watch the Dannebrog (Danish Flag) drop from the sky in the year 1209. After his rule Denmark fell into a decline perpertrated by Erik Ploughpenny and Kristoffer II in the early 14th century. Greatness was restored with Valdemar Attedag in the 1350s.
@DefenderOfChrist_2 жыл бұрын
The Danish Flag dropped in 1219
@irgendeinerandomperson2 жыл бұрын
the funny thing is, that Glücksburg is now a very small city with about 6000 citizens but the House of Glücksburg is married to many important european houses
@diogodavid35572 жыл бұрын
Despite being the descendant of an illegitimate son of the portuguese 1st Duke of Palmela, the most recent king I can find in my family tree is Christian III of Denmark
@__kAtEee2 жыл бұрын
As a dane, knowing my great grandparents are from Denmark, this makes me very intrigued
@Mew_Master11 ай бұрын
This will need an update soon.
@-.-42 жыл бұрын
Cool! Answered questions I had.
@zacflemo1994 Жыл бұрын
I recently found out my ancestors are Estrid Svensdatter & Sweyn Estridsen II!
@RJ-abcde2 ай бұрын
Me too ;-)
@nonnayerbusiness77043 жыл бұрын
This chart is incomplete. Everyone knows the royal families of Denmark were descended from Odin. 😉
@calcaleb70417 ай бұрын
Not anymore thanks to Gorm son who changed the state religion😂😂
@crazydinosaur8945Ай бұрын
@@calcaleb7041 and for some unknown reason, the church was against updating it to "son of god" apparently some Jesus guy already have that exclusive title
@Lampebruder3 жыл бұрын
With that prince Phillip comment… that’s not completely true. He apparently had to give up his titles from Greece and Denmark when he married Elizabeth
@athener663 жыл бұрын
He gave up his titles before members of the British Parliament. This "abdication" applied only in Britain. In Greece (up to 1967) and Denmark he was still a Prince.
@katherinegilks38803 жыл бұрын
He renounced his titles, not his paternal lineage.
@Uzair_Of_Babylon4653 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video
@larsmunch45364 ай бұрын
It is correct that the male ancestry of Christian 9th goes several hundreds of years back, before we find a Danish monarch. However, in female lines, both Christian 9th and his wife queen Louise are great-grandchildren of Frederik 5th, king of Denmark and Norway 1746-1766.
@Gullbrand_8 ай бұрын
I couldn’t help but notice the absence of Magnus the Good who was king of Denmark between king Canute III (his actual name was not Canute but Harthacnut) and Sweyn II Estridsen… Also Magnus the Good is to this day the only foreign king to sit on the Danish throne, as he was Norwegian. Also he got the throne because him and Harthacnut made an agreement of winner takes all where the last person alive would inherit the other persons kingdom…
@mathieuleader86013 жыл бұрын
King Canute is the namesake for the nearby village where I live Knutsford
@dfuher9682 жыл бұрын
Actual name is Knud, I guess, the English call him Canute, coz theyre incapable of pronouncing the kn sound and a soft d. We get a lot of laughs out of the godawful English versions of Danish names!
@pedanticradiator14912 жыл бұрын
@@dfuher968 and we laugh at foreigners trying to pronounce our names
@jakehandley33663 жыл бұрын
ЖB .. I’m officially mindblown 🤯
@lillypad53102 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊👍👍👍
@calvinneess55702 жыл бұрын
at 6:36 there is a mistake, King John's name should be King Hans.
@kevinfalcon44882 жыл бұрын
What about a video detailing the Dukes of Normandy before and after William I?
@-RONNIE3 жыл бұрын
Really great information. I hope you, your family and friends have a good holiday season 🥃 Sláinte
@NorsePJ8 ай бұрын
On my mother's side, the family tree in Denmark goes back to at least 932CE. Not sure about my father's side, but it does go back many generations. It would be fun if there were any blue blood somewhere. LOL!
@chrisgeenadriver163110 ай бұрын
Anyone else watching this after the abdication of Queen Margrethe the 2nd
@bomba19052 жыл бұрын
Norway is just so great they had to do half the Norwegian monarchs twice
@tahsin67433 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation
@ltyrell753 жыл бұрын
Can you do one on the Polish and Lithuanian monarchs
@Zach-mw5so2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a redo of the Portuguese monarchs, an Italian video, a Bulgarian video, and who would be King of Jerusalem/best claimants to that title.
@Edmonton-of2ec4 ай бұрын
Technically speaking Princess Albertina Frederica’s older brother Charles III William, Margrave of Baden-Durlach should have become King of Sweden after the death of both Charles XII and his cousin Gustav, Duke of Zweibrücken, but Charles III William’s great-great-great granddaughter (who also happened to be the senior heir of the Holstein-Gottorp kings by male-preference primogeniture, along with the Palatinate-Zweibrücken and Vasa kings) Victoria of Baden married King Gustaf V, meaning although the House of Zähringen does have a semi-Salic claim on the throne, the Bernadotte family in Sweden can trace it’s ancestry to all the dynasties that can after the deposition of Christian II.
@markushylten-cavallius9993 жыл бұрын
Who would be king of Sweden today if Margaret didn't take the throne from Albrecht von Meklenburg and created the Kalmar Union?
@Grombrindal40k3 жыл бұрын
One for the many states of Italy?
@MataHarisana12320 күн бұрын
Ah so after not succeeding at Hogwarts, Voldemort succeeded in Norway, how impressive!
@NeonAarth Жыл бұрын
RIP Constantine II of Greece 1940-2023
@Thelssehc8 ай бұрын
Hey. Is it possible to get an updated video on this topic? On 14 January 2024, Queen Margrethe the 2nd abdicated and Denmark got a new king, King Frederik the 10th.
@phaexus Жыл бұрын
[ 3:21 ] - "Eric the Memorable"? Hmm, doesn't ring a bell 😊
@letreyus61084 ай бұрын
Have you not forgotten the first King of the Danes? Dan Proud Magnificent King of the Danes Olaffsson? He was around in about 503
@chrisphoris27292 жыл бұрын
9:35 the "hopefully not too soon" line didn't age well 😅
@Yes-bk9cl4 ай бұрын
Tintin - "Red Rackhams Treasure" ❤😊😅😂🎉🎉🎉
@christianbuur Жыл бұрын
i would have loved to see the year when Dannebrog fell, i know it has nothing to do with the whole family tree but is still a very big event in danish as well as our monarchs history (1219 was the year)
@mrXOwarrior3 жыл бұрын
Have you thought of doing the House of Savoy?
@gostavoadolfos20233 жыл бұрын
Please do one about Egyptian last royal family. Also the Normans established the principality of Antioch in Syria.
@radonrodan83323 жыл бұрын
He already one on the Ptolemies.
@gostavoadolfos20233 жыл бұрын
@@radonrodan8332 I am speaking of Mohammed Ali dynasty which was ended in 1953.
@radonrodan83323 жыл бұрын
@@gostavoadolfos2023 I thought you were talking about ancient Egypt,my bad.
@danielklimovich2 ай бұрын
I think you should make an updated Danish Monarchy video due to Margrethe II’s abdication.
@colechristensen19099 ай бұрын
Totally thought the Bluetooth bit was just a joke and then I saw the runes lol
@patriciajrs4610 ай бұрын
What I can't understand is why it seems so easy for ancestor sites to say yes, your related to Charlamagne, or to Ann Bolynn, but I can't find out who my great grandmother is. My Dad's paternal grandmother.
@the_greywolf2 жыл бұрын
do a remaster of the swedish family tree next?
@matthewmarmont41032 жыл бұрын
Could you please look at doing a fantasy family tree, I would really love someone to do the royal family (con Doin) from raymond e feist books. And there extended families.
@dongandres32532 жыл бұрын
They are closest relative to Russia's Romanovs after the British Monarch. Christian IX's daughter Maria Feodorovna is the mother of Tsar Nicholas II.
@augiegirl1Ай бұрын
Just a reminder, that’s the Dowager Empress in the 1997 Fox animated movie “Anastasia”, voiced by Angela Lansbury.
@Zach-mw5so3 жыл бұрын
What is that piece of land the Vikings owned near Constantinople at 1:21?
@steffenb.jrgensen2014 Жыл бұрын
They didn't but Norman nobles, who were of "Viking" origin, at some time ruled Sicily
@therocknrollgamer95723 жыл бұрын
Where can you find the previous videos that you deleted?
@pamsatira17532 жыл бұрын
why was magnus I not mentioned? he was mentioned in the norwegian royal family tree vid.
@WaluigiPlushBros3 жыл бұрын
OH YEA, Denmark TIME 🇩🇰
@TheJMFDUDE2 жыл бұрын
Could you do the Empire of Haiti's royal family tree or the Miskitu Kingdom family trees
@nannasbraindump63432 жыл бұрын
I think you should have told more about how the Oldenburg is related to the earliere monarks. Also you should zoom in more often, 'cus it's difficoult to read the text.
@matthewhines97873 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this video already done? Am I thinking of a different one?
@agnestyp58183 жыл бұрын
Okay but Bjelbo, Birger Jarls home village still exist and his home church is intact just next to my hometown
@gothia1715 Жыл бұрын
European royal male line goes extinct. 200 german noble houses from the HRE be like: "We got some replacement to spare for you."
@tessmcnamara92302 жыл бұрын
my ancestor Canute 1st, and Rollo brother of ragnar lothbrook, Harald Blue Tooth line all my direct ancestors
@jennyshaw7413 жыл бұрын
Need this to be narrated by Matt. I watch at night it's my wind down time his voice is much more soothing.
@ravethirevethi41832 жыл бұрын
Matt bro show the marriage of Elisiv of Kiev's Marriage to Harald Hardrada ; Elisiv was the daughter of Yaroslav the Wise
@MrAllmightyCornholioz2 жыл бұрын
ODIN BLESS THE DANISH MONARCHS
@NeonAarth Жыл бұрын
Good
@ellisanderson8422 жыл бұрын
my ancestors raised chickens since 1100 CE. its pretty much one straight line of chicken farmers. swish!
@charlieduke63933 жыл бұрын
Why did you remove the original? Uggggh
@Zach-mw5so2 жыл бұрын
Updated it with better animation and more information :)
@charlieduke63932 жыл бұрын
@@Zach-mw5so I understand the upgrade, but there was something special about all of these originals that Matt has removed once he puts the Jack Narrated ones up. I personally would rather have Matt’s voice on there.
@calcaleb70417 ай бұрын
@@charlieduke6393what 😂😂😂
@marciomorais27592 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: make the peaky blinders family tree, Shelby, Strong, Lee, Gold, Changretta, and others.
@generaldecker99712 жыл бұрын
28 Count Robert I of Flanders 1067-1093 27 Adela married Knut King of denmark lol knut the holy 26 Cecilia Kuntsdotter Marries Erik Gothe 25 Edla Eriksdotter Gothe marries Tord Bonde 24 Jedvard Tordsson Bonde (Jarl) 23 King Eric the 9th of sweden Robert of flanders brings it into the Charlemagne line as well to king william the conquer as well big connections to the Capets too there...the eric line goes into finland ...interesting fact of the line is a house built later on by a fellow Herman Fleming... the place is called "Louhisaari manor" ..it was sold to the Mannerhiems where the great Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim was born in. Pretty cool to me. Adela of flanders and france were quite the women. Big connections with that family. I think they were the most powerful women in history.