Dante Ross: Leaders of The New School Hated On Busta Rhymes

[@TheEdub1]

Busta was clearly the star of Leaders. We all could see that from day 1 of the Case Of The PTA video!

[@gamikel4804]

The group was supposed to be centered around Charlie B., but Busta broke out too fast. It caused that friction in all groups, which causes ego to get in the way. There is a BET Rap City episode they were featured on, and the breakup was happening right then.

[@georgebrice8329]

Nah It was Scenario The Case of PTA that was Charlie Brown

[@TheEdub1]

@georgebrice8329 I saw it day 1 from the first video - The Case of the PTA. Just like I saw it day 1 with Onyx & Sticky Fingaz.

[@georgebrice8329]

@TheEdub1+ that was Scenario that when people saw Busta as the star Case of PTA Charlie Brown took over that song Busta lyrics was okay charlie shut that down but scenario Busta really took over with that rah, rah with a dungeon dragon

[@TheEdub1]

@georgebrice8329 I saw it since Case Of The Pta and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[@plainbrownwrapper]

Dinco D was underrated as a lyricist IMHO… good ole days❤

[@jamilray2]

@@plainbrownwrapper definitely agree Dinco is lyrical and great MC.

[@Rio-uv1gs]

Yep Dinco was always anticipated as well..

[@xroadwalker]

Da D da O incorporated I N C In2da flow... 💰

[@GeeMiFe]

Dinco D was mad underrated! Was low key the best lyricist in the group.

[@bigzizzo]

I always thought Dinco had the best verse on Scenario.

[@HandsomeOG]

Anyone that’s my age remembers them breaking up on yo mtv raps. The craziest episode I ever saw.

[@ramonhenderson7484]

@@HandsomeOG 💯💯💯💯

[@JamesJonesicycold]

Live on air. Turned Fab 5 Freddy away!!!

[@duanecardinez1826]

That T.I.M.E. album was a sleeper. One of my favs. Every hook was catchy and I personally liked that they were trying to out-rap each other. That was an evolution of Hip Hop and to hear Dante say it was wack, is straight up soul crushing.

[@BlackDrac82]

@@duanecardinez1826 What's Next still goes hard

[@docdrew87]

@@duanecardinez1826 in fairness, when it dropped in 93, it strayed from the normal Native Tongues vibe and it wasn’t until maybe a decade later, that it started to get the recognition it deserved. Same thing with Stone Crazy and Buhloone Mind State.

[@gardenstateboss]

sorry but T.I.M.E. was corny when it dropped i tried to like it but compared to other music out around the that time LONS sophomore album wasn't a hit.

[@duanecardinez1826]

​@@docdrew87 Buhloone Mind State was another album that went over people's heads. I felt like the only cat in Brooklyn bumpin' that in 93. These experimental albums failing is why labels went all in on gangsta rap and changed the spectrum of hip hop. It started to become a 1-genre art form. It is what it is though.

[@duanecardinez1826]

@@gardenstateboss It had more tracks than their debut album. I loved the hooks, mid-song beat switches (:40 mark in Syntax Era gave me the chills) and how they went back and forth rather than everyone just having 1 verse. Every song felt like a grimy, Operation Doomsday-like version of Scenario. Now PM Dawn is corny. But appreciate your opinion

[@1trl2]

Busta was too live for the group and he eventually was destined for greatness

[@invisiblerevolution]

Were you even alive beck then youngin?????? Busta wasn't.... TOO LIVE for the group, they all (atleast on wax) had styles that played well off each other.

[@oldude73]

The first line in the Zone Coaster video mix ''Oh My God , Show My God'' I said Welp! Busta's goin' solo after this one.

[@gamikel4804]

@@oldude73 it was when he did his verse on Scenario and the remix. Took him to another level.

[@PureNapture]

@@gamikel4804 *Also

[@ricardored207]

CHARLIE thought the “light skinned” thing back then worked for him, but BUSTA had the illest RHYMES‼️🤔👀👨🏻👨🏾🗣️🎵🎶🔟

[@Gggg-cq1ih]

What lightskinned thing ? 😂

[@scribblebeck]

@ricardored207 I don't remember C. Brown ever saying a single word about his own physical features.

[@frame1689]

@@ricardored207 you acting real dark skinned right now.

[@Nelson_Swamp]

Lotta dudes in our late 40s and early 50s who will never forget the ENERGY LOTNS bought with "The Case of the PTA" video.

[@jamallpenn5898]

Dinco D killed scenario, they were all good, Busta Bust just had that voice, flow, n energy he was singled out instantly.

[@gregorywesley7456]

Busta leaving the group was not the disaster that people are making it out to be! It was inevitable, but what really killed LONS was the "Shift" to more "Street and Hardcore" Hip Hop! They got phased out like a lot of groups did from the late 80's and early 90's! Battle's with Labels and "Bad Contracts" also sealed the demise of a lot of groups! Charlie, Dinco, and Milo were good enough to succeed without Busta, but just couldn't adapt to the change of style in Hip Hop and succumbed to groups like Mobb Deep! EPMD/Das EFX and many others also were phased out!! The Industry is ruthless. Just my opinion.

[@Diggy22]

@@gregorywesley7456 I disagree. The T.I.M.E. album would have easily held its own if L.O.N.S. could have gelled as a group. Busta was already moving away from working with the Leaders. He was spending more time with ATCQ, getting feature with Heavy D and Biggie, and starting Flipmode Entertainment at the same time. Busta brought Rampage on board the T.I.M.E. album and got him on the "Flava In Ya Ear" remix right after. Tribe excelled with Midnight Marauders, and L.O.N.S. were in the same vein. If C. Brown wasn't beefing with Busta, that crew could have done big things.

[@gregorywesley7456]

@Diggy22 True 👍🏾!

[@ZPMBTV]

LONS was one of the Greatest Groups that should’ve never Broken Up

[@oloatis2182]

@@ZPMBTV They weren’t destined to stay as a group, so no they shouldn’t have stayed together

[@invisiblerevolution]

*I DON'T GIVE A F_**___* what anyone has to say in these comments!!!!!!! I DON'T EVEN GIVE A F____* that C Brown & Busta didn't like each other! LEADERS OF THE NEW SCHOOL (first album) *was one of my favorite Hip-Hop albums!!!!!!!*

[@shonemarcus2966]

One of the biggest mistakes that occurred, in a rap group, was made by, "Leaders of The New $chool", C, B. in my opinion. Busta Rhymes has never looked back, unfortunately for the other brother's. God almighty, bless you 3 brothers and your families. Duces from #CaLA

[@Rag65]

Busta would've eventually left the group. They always do.....MJ, Teddy P, WuTang, Jay Z etc.

[@Diddddu]

The Jacksons never broke up even when Mike did the solo album his brothers did background vocals in the studio and on stage.Mike kept the bro's around except for Jermaine .Watch old youtube clips of him in concert you'll see them.

[@Rag65]

@@Diddddu knock it off. The Jacksons were done without michael. Hell, only Jermaine had limited individual success. When MJ left, The Jacksons were done.

[@jeanemlicar]

Wait a minute,Wu-Tang Clan never broke up.@@Rag65

[@misfittv313]

@@Rag65 that's not what bro was saying. We all knew the Jacksons was done once Mike went solo. Dawg was just saying that the Jacksons never officially broke up

[@jamilray2]

Leaders was awesome and Cut Monitor AKA Milo Da Dance actually saved the last album TIME.

[@thec0r379]

I definitely agree Milo was a stand out on that album 💯

[@gregorywesley7456]

Word! Milo, Busta's cousin, was soooo underrated!

[@steeltownbrown52]

I don't know if Milo saved T.I.M.E., but it was nice that he got plenty of shine on that LP. He killed it on Quarter to Cutthroat.

[@82Brooklyn7]

@@thec0r379 💯💯💯

[@apoclypse]

Charlie still did his thing on Scenario but Busta was something else. Sounded like no one else, brought the whole energy of that track up and it was already a hype song.

[@rogerowens7888]

Busta just had that booming voice and plus he could spit… no brainer

[@TheSstretch68]

GREAT INTERVIEW!!!!

[@dramahawkpromotions9621]

Personally and Honestly Busta Need to get back with Leaders and Finish plus Complete their Reunion Album. We the Fans want that.

[@91Definite]

@@dramahawkpromotions9621 I just feel like C.Brown ruined his whole career cause of one guy that was very talented than him. If they was brothers I’m sure Busta wouldn’t have mind helping C.Brown with some things! Brown can rhyme though but it’s the fact that Busta everyone leaned towards to 😞…

[@benjaminvazquez6413]

known dante for a long time - always kept it 100

[@nessdagoat]

I ran into them during their press run for the last Leader’s record. I didn’t know this was going on but the vibe wasn’t cool at all. Dinco D and Charlie were on one side of the room and Busta had a lady with em on the other side. Makes sense now

[@kennyblackbird5674]

Dante almost looks the same from 1984! Whatup!

[@rastagideon8236]

Listen: 1999 Chant Down Babylon, Rastaman Chant - Busta Rhymes, Flipmode Squad and Bob Marley.

[@acknickulus]

Truth undisputed!

[@invisiblerevolution]

*LEADERS OF THE NEW SCHOOL....* first album got me through Middle School, and I'll ever be greatful for them! 🙏🏾 Ps. *WU TANG.....* Enter the 36 Chambers. & *JERU THE DAMAGER....* Sun Rises In Da East. Got me through High School. *KILLER ARMY......* *MOS DEF.....* *BLACK STAR....* Got me through college.

[@Maasai-El]

DINCO HAD BARZ!👑

[@DeeNice681]

Crazy how Dinco is the only one who even looks the same.

[@ChamP10nk1ng]

Busta had that explosive Rasta flow. Brown had that "hype the crowd up" voice & energy. Dinco was powerful with the palendromes/wordplay. But as a collective, they just didn't match well enough with one another.

[@dexterroberts631]

Dinco was my favorite member

[@zulusmith]

I might be the only one that loved Brown and Busta, equally. They brought that energy that hip hop needed. I wonder if the other guys saw Dante Ross whispering in Busta's ear and thought he was showing favoritism? There has to be a lot going on to kick a guy who's talented AND hardworking, who doesn't want to leave, out of a group.

[@rfields4137]

I always enjoyed posse cuts. "Scenario" was my favorite song for many years until the "Flava in ya Ear" remix dropped. Bus is on both that only just now occured to me lol

[@dcee6670]

Sound of the Zeekers is the one

[@daled1522]

Good interview

[@roypettigrew6453]

That Time album was dope. I think them boys trying to out rap each other made that album as good as it was.

[@steeltownbrown52]

Absolutely; -Brown and Bus killed it on Classic Material -Dinco killed it on the title track -Milo killed it on Quarter to Cutthroat

[@mistaaustin3854]

Busta rymed circles around them two.They couldn't

[@robflo5473]

I was a big fan of this group. Hated when they broke up over BS.

[@invisiblerevolution]

Dag bruh..... 💯 Me too!

[@TheNumbasign2]

1:28 Pause!

[@mccolycoken]

😂

[@who919]

😅😅😅

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

😢 ... Another "PAUSE" middle schooler. Sigh...

[@TheNumbasign2]

@ pause

[@thedarksideoftheforce6658]

@@TheNumbasign2 Grow up. Kids in the chat.

[@mm-2018]

Busta still relevant

[@R.Blackstone]

@mm-2018 No he's not. Busta is a lying culture vulture and a tether.

[@MarkieDstudios]

Man I gotta catch up on this show i been watching SVU

[@sameemas1723]

NIGHT SHIFT , LUNCH TIME , I HAVE THAT "THE INNER MINDS EYE" ALBUM ON MY PHONE , IMMA PLAY IT ALL BACK AND LISTEN MORE CAREFULLY CUZ I NEVER CAUGHT THAT OUTSHINE ONE ANOTHER VIBE FROM IT . . . FIRME PODCAST ,CARNALES , KEEP DROPPING

[@jonathanharris9321]

Charlie Brown effed that whole thing up cus u could tell Busta didnt wanna leave them but he had to, they did the world of Hip-hop a big favor by doing so, we never would of got the music we got nor Flipmode or all those great things that he did by leaving, yet still one of my favorite groups

[@CPTMorada]

nice convo! But, 2nd album ...wack? hmmm ..i always thought their second album was totally slept on and actually a bold direction, sonically, for that time. "Whats Next" is a classic track, the most pop friendly but great, and alot of the album's beats seem more on the experimental (futuristic sounding, perhaps not as commercially viable, not bad, certainly not wack) and underground b-boy side of things. You can't really tell they're breaking up on the album, though perhaps some of their flows may have seemed a little disjointed, like they made the album in a cipher and pressed record, but looking back that type of live sounding, unpolished take is nice to hear. And Charlie Brown was total showman in his own right, essential to the combo of the Cacka lacki whammy bars delivered on Scenario. Great to hear the backstory though! props for the interview as it brought me back.✊

[@chriskringle5191]

I didn't know They made a 2nd Album... 😳

[@bOmBAsTiK]

Yeah C. Brown was dope I think he just saw how outside forces (including Q-Tip) were trying to drive a wedge between Busta and the rest of his group. Everybody paints him as the bad guy but even Dream Hampton wrote a review in the Source calling for Busta to go solo back then. That would piss anybody off.

[@zartan215]

T.I.M.E. > A Future Without A Past

[@dramahawkpromotions9621]

​@@chriskringle5191Woww u didn't know that

[@adg_87]

Exactly. It certainly wasn't trash like they make it seem.

[@incognitotees]

i actually love TIME. especially the title track. That shyt was dope

[@I_Love_my_adblock4408]

🙋🏾‍♂️ I noticed way back then, Charlie Brown was envious, jealous, and hated Busta Rhymes and his style and flow. Roaw roaw like a dungeon dragon! Busta Rhymes

[@Eddie_Z]

He knew Busta was into Baati Boyz

[@83wasagoodyear]

🧢

[@njjjjjjjjhhhs]

good interview 👍

[@gollygee2385]

They broke that group up

[@mluna6702]

"Dante Ross gets the gas face"

[@adg_87]

Bass Is Loaded off TIME was and atill is dope.

[@ryderrobbie1]

The Scenario was a hit and we slapped the shit outta that song but we always held tight to boogie brown dissing Compton and LA on that verse and it was real hatred towards them because of that. You got niggas 40 something years old that would bring it up if they ran into him out here

[@Martinzodiac]

Wow that is crazy

[@zartan215]

T.I.M.E. > A Future Without A Past

[@frederickbradford7799]

1st of all THEY wasnt beefin, charlie was beefin. plus they cool now reunion tours & all, so stop the madness

[@AntonioAnthony-b4n]

💙💙💙

[@DreadInNY2]

As someone who was with LONS from demo days, to the record deal and after...I say ask Charlie Brown. Stop interviewing third party people. Go to the source. Their history started long before their deal. Also, let's not allow random narrative to overshadow just how DAMN DOPE that group was.

[@GeeMiFe]

Respectfully, T.I.M.E was way ahead of its time (big pun intended) and was a next level dope album. I'm glad they put it out because it gets better with time (again big pun intended)

[@bOmBAsTiK]

Sounds like Dante (and the "industry") broke up Leaders or at least wanted them to break up and is placing the blame on C. Brown.

[@enokaka]

@bOmBAsTiK yeah..Dante said it himself..he was telling him he got him on the solo project...yeah industry rule number 3080

[@randybarnes4440]

Busta l9vedd them dudes and put himself to the backgro7nd for them and charlie did him dirty. God lives through as ATCQ said, and Busta is greatness and LONS is a great and fantastic ride from the past.

[@jhardyjr415]

Now Busta is a buster for real.

[@datowng]

The interview is great, them calling him Buster instead of Busta is taking me😂😂😂

[@BoomBap75]

I think Dante forgot that SCENARIO was ATCQuest song ft.Charlie&Busta...

[@JTHEJUDGE]

Didn't this dude get THE GAS FACE? 🤣🤣🤣

[@URLnotEarl]

They were uncomfortable with Busta’s bedroom behavior & didn’t want to be associated with it.

[@kwalaty7]

They can reunite and drop something now.

[@dramahawkpromotions9621]

Yes they have a reunion album they need to complete smfh

[@Rio-uv1gs]

Nope the age group they appealed to aren't looking for another round of just another case of that ol' pta...🤣

[@kennynyc1555]

400 💯

[@RISINGPHOEN7X]

Why they break up?

[@EphOph]

Always annoyed by charlie brown. His style was ridiculous with all the high pitch nonsense and he just looked like he was a bitchmade. He thought spazzing out was cool- it wasnt. Busta was it from day 1, everyone knew it. Its why he and tip were last on scenario. They were the featured emcees.

[@KingCrazealmighty360]

Nah this is Cap because Charlie Brown was definitely a star and definitely a personality that people liked they just pushed Buster more and that's why they all broke up because first and foremost Busta rhymes went behind their back and did some slick s*** with his deal

[@brooklynzoo1838]

@@KingCrazealmighty360 him and Busta always got into fights it was always tension between them

[@KingCrazealmighty360]

@brooklynzoo1838 which goes back to exactly what I said homeboy

[@misfittv313]

Charlie Brown was not a star. Please stop the cap. If he is a star that how come he didn't do anything when the group broke up?

[@KingCrazealmighty360]

@@misfittv313 wow you really are an ignoramus Charlie Brown was supposed to blow up as well they did some sucking s*** with Busta rhymes bro and that's why the group broke up because what's the distance I see s*** behind their back

[@KingCrazealmighty360]

@@misfittv313 learn your history kid you better be at least 50 to be even commenting

[@hispanik2085]

The second album was doper than the first

[@jordanflores5687]

Busta and lucy were tormenting him with that football that's what it was

[@luvaboy772]

Leaders Of The New School were dope but they were NOT surviving past the early 90's as a group. Busta Rhymes was an OBVIOUS solo star. NOBODY was clamoring for a Dinco solo album, Milo solo album or a Charlie Brown solo album.

[@Superstardark]

Must of knew he was zesty af

[@damonmcgraw4947]

Buster stole Brown's flow back then.

[@themightyfp]

@@damonmcgraw4947 lol

[@Omowalemayasa]

😅😅😅

[@dwayneturner9395]

@@damonmcgraw4947 PLEASE explain!

[@JEFFMAN90]

@@damonmcgraw4947 Brown stole Chuck Ds flow TF are you talking about 🤣🤣

[@randybarnes4440]

Lies

[@JEDASE]

Busta was the star dingo d was a producer so busta brown was the add on I guess

[@mikec3304]

I always felt like Charlie Brown was the best in the group.

[@foreverflylove]

me too, his verse was one of my favorites on scenario, too bad he was a hater lol

[@jasoncamphor3027]

@@mikec3304 C. Brown was my favorite in L.O.N.S. too!

[@scribblebeck]

Shoulda played his position. Otherwise, don't join a group.

[@dexterroberts631]

Nah, he's not better than Dinco

[@DJXcalibur]

Jamaica is not a third world country! The reggae band Third World may be from Jamaica, but that is not as it was labeled by dude in the video! That was disrespectful!

[@Marvin-ut4xs]

What about Busta rhymes & the 🌈 crew. Dinco D was my guy . That TIME album is still my shhhh.

[@dexterroberts631]

Love Dinco

[@RexMundi_UTC]

Fruit Busta Rhymes

[@seldomsceen]

In hindsight, was Charlie Brown really dope though? I mean really?

[@copperdee3073]

They knew Busta was zesty😆

[@Banditemcee123]

I always knew the lite skin guy was the problem...shot himself in the foot by dissing busta.

[@tonymolatto1904]

Jealousy. Wow.

[@glennusher4160]

Another Old story repeated for the thousand time.. Enough already

[@doclew28]

Funny how Busta is the only one that got a shot... and now it's coming out that he likes men... Imagine that... Coincidence??? SMH

[@RevolutionaryAutomatic]

I think Charlie Brown was tighter than busta rhÿmes.. buster rhymes was the hater looking out for himself

[@cdgodrecords]

Get Over It, You Guys Wasn't That Good, Stop Hating.

[@misfittv313]

Exactly the group overall wasn't that good. But Busta was just a lil better than the rest

[@cdgodrecords]

@@misfittv313 Real Talk

[@oRealAlieNo]

Busta was the only one willing to get on his hands and knees scrambling and scraping for stuff. Lets be real. Busta was a weirdo.

[@JoiRandom]

Batty Boy Rhymes

[@jaquabrown7703]

Nah Q tip was better

[@dantemackey7471]

Somebody tell Steele to wake up lol... Look like he's dozzing off

[@thegangsterchronicles]

lol not at all dude got cataracts he’s mentioned it multiple times

[@parabellum5503]

Is it me or have men become the biggest gossips.

[@Censoredfts]

Busta Rhymes has always been wack, nothing but a fast rapping gimmick.... he self identifies as a busta!

[@diggadirt393]

🫲Broooooooooown!🫱