Waves SSL EV2 Channel Strip review

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Dan Worrall

Dan Worrall

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@RedMeansRecording
@RedMeansRecording 2 жыл бұрын
I am very much looking forward to you dragging more waves plugins in such a thorough fashion
@RedMeansRecording
@RedMeansRecording 2 жыл бұрын
Also Dan, what does the slithery synth line in the beginning?
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 2 жыл бұрын
The opening part? Two sine waves driven by polyrhythmic arpeggiators (3 against 5), with distortion, plus FabFilter Timeless glitches and pitch glides.
@lorenzo_villa
@lorenzo_villa 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a review like this for the scheps omni (which is my favourite and main plugin)
@lastwarning1
@lastwarning1 2 жыл бұрын
"Dragging"? Okay Cassandra from homeroom
@everybodyhasoul5438
@everybodyhasoul5438 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@GingerDrums
@GingerDrums 2 жыл бұрын
this is precisely the type of video which will drive up the quality of products for engineers. even handed and as objective as possible. thanks dan
@IrionDaRonin
@IrionDaRonin 2 жыл бұрын
Dan is a maestro, i would like to see a plugin company hiring him just to make a channel strip Dan Worrall Edition with all he would find useful and necessary. Really, i would like to see that and then a video by himself explaining why this and that and how it works. Keep up the good work, man. Cheers! :)
@sm5574
@sm5574 2 жыл бұрын
The one (big) gripe I have with Waves is how they separate mono and stereo versions for all their plugins. All other plugin producers have managed to make their products intelligent, but not Waves. It slows down my workflow and doubles the number of keyboard shortcuts I need for my plugins. And I can't tell you how often I've wasted time trying to figure out why a stereo track didn't sound right, only to find a mono Waves plugin to be the culprit, followed by the fun of duplicating the settings after installing the stereo one. I like Waves, but I hate their mono/stereo policy.
@BojanBojovic
@BojanBojovic 2 жыл бұрын
It is your DAW actually, Reaper does not have stereo and mono tracks, it is the limitation that exists only in our brain as we're used to this old way of thinking.
@sm5574
@sm5574 2 жыл бұрын
@@BojanBojovic, no other company's plugins do this. It's Waves.
@rrrafiel
@rrrafiel 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but stereo plugins will use 2x the CPU of a mono plugin.
@Solanaar
@Solanaar 2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe Waves could install a mono/stereo-switch that also dynamically adjusts the cpu load. that's not too complicated
@sm5574
@sm5574 2 жыл бұрын
@@rrrafiel, they shouldn't have to if it isn't necessary. Use mono processing for a mono track, and switch to stereo for a stereo one.
@ChristianIce
@ChristianIce 2 жыл бұрын
I do mind if the value showed is not exactly the amount of gain I am adding or subtracting, and it has nothing to do with mixing with your ears. It happens often that I have a chain of plugins, and if I want to subtract one db on one and adding it on another, while at the end of the chain I've got a multiband compressor, I end up hitting the compressor harder without noticing it, just because you are 8 hours in the mix and you don't double check simple math, you trust that 1 - 1 = 0.
@D-One
@D-One 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Also, for the less experienced it's important correlate values to what your hear, if a change labeled 2db would be different on every plugin then we would never learn how much of a difference 2db really sounds like.
@zwsh89
@zwsh89 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting waves in their place with this one. It is much needed. When analog emulations we’re a novel thing 20 years ago and Waves and UAD were the only ones doing it, sure, recreating the hardware limitations in the plug-in made a little more sense. But now that the market is saturated with analog emulations, the bar is being raised by companies that are starting to really push the boundaries on combining the best of analog emulations and digital workstations. Companies you feature right here on the channel, like TDR, u-he, and fabfilter to name a few. So when waves had the opportunity to innovate again when they released an update to their SSL channel, but chose not to, I was disappointed, but not surprised. Hopefully having someone like you who isn’t afraid to tell the truth as an affiliate will help them wake up to the fact that times have changed and in order to make compelling, usable modern tools for the DAW means taking hardware emulations beyond the hardware. While it’s not perfect either, look at the amount of extra thought that went into the design of the BX_SSL4000 series.
@zwicker5585
@zwicker5585 2 жыл бұрын
Brainworx did a great job with there analog emulations. Headroom, input and output, and mix parameters on every plug in is just exactly what we need in every plug in these days
@russell_szabados
@russell_szabados 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, another fan of the Brainworx SSL right here.
@jonytube
@jonytube 2 жыл бұрын
TDR, U-he and fabfilter are great examples of such companies, couldn't put it better myself.
@cmd_f5
@cmd_f5 2 жыл бұрын
TDR and FabFilter, two of my favorite companies doing this kinda thing. They give us analog options without being afraid to fully harness digital capabilities.
@zwsh89
@zwsh89 2 жыл бұрын
Pulsar, Tone Empire, Acustica, Arturia, kazrog, and Audified also come to mind, but the list is ever growing these days
@G_handle
@G_handle 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, do you have any actual Mixing videos on the interwebs? I for one would Love to see your full process, especially after watching this video which I think is the most comprehensive Channels --> Busses --> 2-Bus setup you've shown on this channel. (I happily admit that I've watched ALL of your videos here numerous times.) I, like all the rest of your fan club, really appreciate the quality and thoughtfulness of these KZbin episodes (Pretty much everything else goes on pause as soon as I get the alert), and your focus not on "Tips & Tricks" but rather techniques, fundamentals, and philosophies. However I think MUCH value would come from watching you take a song from Importing raw Multitracks --> Exporting Stems and a Final Mix. (Maybe a short series of videos with as many parts as you see the stages of a start to finish mix. Say "Dan Worrall Mix Series: 1/5 - Mix Prep", "...2/5 - Static Mix Balance", etc.) Not that you don't give us Way more than we deserve already, but if such a series were to exist, I would likely watch it once a month for the rest of my life!
@classicrkr2480
@classicrkr2480 2 жыл бұрын
He was the engineer that FabFilter hired to create their "Mixing and Mastering" playlist that is extremely helpfu: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5umqHypiZWLbq8 Of course some of them are directly geared towards FabFilter plugins, but there is still great info in there.
@arweailyen5120
@arweailyen5120 2 жыл бұрын
His actual songs are pretty meh
@squelchedotter
@squelchedotter 2 ай бұрын
​@@arweailyen5120he's a mix engineer not a producer or composer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@pedrochalkho7629
@pedrochalkho7629 2 жыл бұрын
This could actually be a great opportunity to debunk some Waves myths like the ones that imply that practically every compressor they designed is an untouched RComp with a saturation stage added.
@AmagrasMUSIC
@AmagrasMUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever said that has no idea what’s talking about
@pedrochalkho7629
@pedrochalkho7629 2 жыл бұрын
@@AmagrasMUSIC I don't believe it is that simple either! I respect the heck out of Waves for what they've brought us in the DSP realm. However... there ARE some famous myths worth looking into, I believe. I mean, going by the main plugin featured on this video alone, it is somewhat widely believed that EV2 is a stripped down CLA Mixhub.
@AmagrasMUSIC
@AmagrasMUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
@@pedrochalkho7629 if you knew the story of waves from the beginning you wouldn’t believe that; but also it’s all in the manuals, forumites don’t read those anymore?
@pedrochalkho7629
@pedrochalkho7629 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sure, the manuals! xD
@AmagrasMUSIC
@AmagrasMUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
@@pedrochalkho7629 yes, the manuals explain when they used an algorithm from old plugins
@mthomas1091
@mthomas1091 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan! I’d love to watch you go through the Scheps 🙏 (for the same reasons/differences you point out here).
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 2 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video. Thank you. I'm getting weary of skeuomorphism in general, but especially in plugins. Why are we limiting ourselves to controlling our sound with cute little knobs that look like SSL knobs? The sound is what matters. Make an interface that is intuitive, easy to control with a mouse, and visually informative as well as appealing. FabFilter figured it out.
@AfferbeckBeats
@AfferbeckBeats 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's part of why I love Goodhertz plugins
@MrJC1
@MrJC1 2 жыл бұрын
well... if that is all you need, it can be good. but theres good no reason to limit yourself to anything anymore. haha.
@lyingpancake95
@lyingpancake95 2 жыл бұрын
The designs that basically mimic hardware are somewhat lazy. So often, there has been little to no consideration for the UX of an interface's navigation or interpretation in a digital environment.
@milesbuckley1731
@milesbuckley1731 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree @Jim. I'm getting weary of anything that looks like a channel strip. Channel strips are shaped that way because of a space *limitation* - it was the only way to put multiple processors side-by-side on a mix console. It's a terrible way to arrange knobs and buttons unless you physically have to. In the computer era, we can design things any way we want - we should design them in a way that facilitates intelligibility and workflow, and stop cloning limitations.
@Ferrichrome
@Ferrichrome 2 жыл бұрын
@@lyingpancake95 skeumorphism can be done well imo. Some plugins, like U-He plugins or TDR plugins look like real hardware but often deviate completely from what a real unit would look like and function, for the purpose of being a better to use plugin
@FrankLorenz23
@FrankLorenz23 2 жыл бұрын
I would really like a comparison between the "color" you can get from a plugin like this channel strip and a "generic" coloration plugin like Fabfilter Saturn (perhaps plus a compressor). Can you really get a different sound, a typical "SSL console sound", or do you just get a "vintage feel" because of the user interface?
@andreifilip
@andreifilip 2 жыл бұрын
The only channel strip I use, is the SSL9000 from PA, mainly for the same reason as you Dan, and when I do, I use the THD knob cranked to max, just to get some added harmonics...and often I use FF ProQ3 to further sculpt the sound if needed. I'm not ashamed I work 100% ITB, and take advantages of every "weird" quirk a software plugin can do, after all in computer world we most often we use the mouse ( can't really say anything about any DAW Control Surface as I haven't tried one yet ). Thanks for the video Dan, really informative. Cheers
@hauntedhotdog
@hauntedhotdog Ай бұрын
The 9000 plugin is terrific.
@markvanbavel118
@markvanbavel118 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible, Dan. I appreciate your honesty even with a deal with Waves in place.
@MarsX69
@MarsX69 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, thank you for this very in-depth video. You are one of a handful of people that makes reviews that really makes sense. Waves, are you listening...? I really do hope you will review the Scheps Omni-channel as well. I expect you like the workflow much better of this all-in-one channel solution than any thing else you've put your hands on so far. Thanks again for your contribution, thumbs up!
@G_handle
@G_handle 2 жыл бұрын
Channel Strip Plugins (2 of 5) My point here is that Softube as a company, in close coordination with Solid State Logic, deliberately took the Channel Strip Plugin idea much further than it had ever been. They did stick to "accurately emulating" the sound and workflow of the original console(s), but they added a ton of not-so-obvious advancements over the real thing. (I wand to go into depth, but this is way longer than intended already. So I'll try to just hit a couple of points. Thanks DAN!) 1) Mixing in the box with a mouse is 1-Click at a time. I have numerous gaming mice, track balls, track pads, pen displays, tablets etc, and they All have their place. Plus in Reaper you can train them to do Amazing tricks. But the Console 1 hardware is essentially a Midi Controller, dedicated to exactly One plugin. That has many implications but one is that you can grab multiple controls at once, like on Analog equipment. And because the hardware is so tightly connected to the software, you develop a Hand/Ear coordination, even with you monitor switched off, that is simply impossible with any mouse or other "Pointing Device". 2) That point and this one have more to do with the Hardware than the Channel Strip plugin concept, but because that hardware is communicating directly with each of the plugins, from the control surface you can fly through all of the channels in your session. If you had a 96-channel session say on a real million-dollar SSL XL9096J, you would roll your chair way over to the left 48 channels, then way over to the right 48 channel strips, standing up and down to reach all the controls, in and out of the sweet spot, so you return to the center and realize you have to go back to readjust, all day. With this system, there's 20 channel buttons that bank up and down, right at your finger tips on a controller the same size as your QWERTY keyboard. So with 5 clicks of a button, one hundred SSL 9000 channel strips Come to You, within seconds, without you moving one inch out of your perfectly triangulated monitoring system. And again, you never have to touch the mouse or look up at the screen! 3) However, about that screen.... While the knobs on the controller are laid out to match an SSL Channel Strip, spread out and turned on its side (a concept I love, but also one of my pet peeves), and the idea is that your hands already know where to go, plus the controller is full of LED meters and indicators that give you lots of visual feedback for what your hands and ears are telling you, they Also included on On-Screen Display system, that with the click of a button (and maybe not even that) super-imposes a display over whatever is already on your screen and gives you additional Bonus information, audio x-ray vision into your signal that was Never possible on any analog console of the golden years. So the system gives you the sound and the hand/ear mixing workflow of their emulated originals, but with far more of the control and visual feedback of the 21st century mixing experience than was imaginable at the time those studio classics were at their prime. 4) Console 1 is old now, relatively speaking. And it's not the only game in town anymore. Plus it itself has expanded and evolved over the years to include features and functions some of which weren't imagined at the time it was created. That 1 original Analog Console emulation has since expanded to eight, with two SSLs, an API, a NEVE, and others that were never actually Consoles in the real world, but were amazing rack pieces now reimagined into fairly complete console channel strips with the cooperation and endorsement of those companies: Emperical Labs, Chandler Limited, Summit Audio, and Weiss. But that points to another thing that exists within the Console 1 ecosystem... (again this is Not a commercial!) 5) Over the years Console 1 has expanded what you can do with it and it's channel strips. From the beginning you could swap out not only the full console emulations, but the three individual component sections in the chain: you could load the Strip, the Shape, the EQ, or the Comp independently. They've since allowed you to load the Drive section and the Filters separately as well. So you can think of your channel strip as 6 different pieces of gear in a signal chain (like they did with the afore mentioned companies above). And those component sections can come from mixing-n-matching those now 8 Channel Strips, which you can break into 6 parts each giving you 48 pieces of gear (well plugins), but those 6 links in your chain can also come from the hundreds of other plugins Softube themselves as well as Dozens of plugins from their collaboration with Universal Audio. (Plus there's "Apollo Central" mode....but I digress) 6) So again, kinda controller related and not necessarily Channel Strip specific, but putting those buttons knobs and faders from the original hardware, into code, and then Back at your finger-tips rather than mouse clicks, really does change the experience. If you've used any plugins from Softube or Universal Audio with your mouse, and you were happy with the sound and user interface while clicking-n-dragging, putting both hands on two knobs of an LA2A or 1176 finally FEELS right. Your eyes and ears may have been having all the fun, but now your hands get to play as well. I also have to say that, the point of the Console 1 hardware was that the Threshold knob is always the Threshold knob, no matter what emulation you are running. The 4 EQ band gain knobs are always in the exact same place, you don't have to think about it or look for it. And Softube did an amazing job mapping the hundreds of Plugins with thousands of individual Parameters to the 26 FIXED knobs on the hardware controller a when you're using a UAD plugin or UAD Console, it feels like Universal Audio made the hardware. Almost all of it feels intuitive, and the amount of time you do spend looking for something is nothing compared to with the mouse and a plugin window. However this is also its limitation... (Continued 3 of 5......)
@EagerSleeper
@EagerSleeper 2 жыл бұрын
It could be interesting to see you look at Waves' "NX" plugins, and speak to their efficacy in a realistic scenario.
@ValiantSheep
@ValiantSheep Жыл бұрын
While I do understand the desire for the plugin to go beyond the “limitations” and “inaccuracies” of the original hardware, I think you would be missing the point. The whole point of having a hardware emulation is for people who can’t get their hands on an original SSL or have worked on one in the past to get that same experience with all its limitations and inaccuracies, because like it or not this is what made the SSL an SSL. If you want something less limited or more accurate you can always reach for your favorite digital EQ or your favorite digital channel strip, but in my opinion the only reason you would reach for an SSL channel strip is to get a faithful emulation of the real thing and in that regard I believe they nailed it.
@iainmackenzieUK
@iainmackenzieUK 2 жыл бұрын
These days, I regard WAVES as marketing for 'wealthy enough enthusiasts' rather than professionals. Not that I am claiming to be even competent. But buying loads of plugins seems to be a phase we all go (I went) through and WAVES is there to fulfill that need. Now I aim to learn to use a few good plugins well. Maybe I will be inspired by Dan to buy more in future - Having said that, I got so much from this tutorial and remain an enthusiastic student. Thank you Dan
@privateer2584
@privateer2584 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I bought all of them back in the day (Mercury bundle). Now I mainly use the Fab Filter stuff and a few select others. The only Waves plugins I use frequently now are RVox and Maxx Bass.
@Scottacon
@Scottacon 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to me that this is the first Waves plugin you've done a deep dive on, as the SSL EV2 was the plugin that finally convinced me to wean myself off of Waves in general. I was already not pleased with their Update Plan and how they keep crucial bugfixes and performance updates behind that. I understand that they need to make money and they can't be expected to keep things up to date for free... but then again, almost every other plugin manufacturer does. So I'm not convinced. But the nail in the coffin for me was Paul Third's video on this that showed that they essentially just took one of their old channel strips, removed a bunch of features, added some harmonic distortion, and slapped a new UI on it to sell as the "updated" SSL Channel strip. I've been using the classic SSL E- and G- channel strips in my professional capacity and have integrated them into my personal workflow so I was initially excited at an update; but I wasn't about to pay Waves another $50 CAD for a plugin that it turns out I already owned. I don't know how accurate Paul's video was as I am but a lowly pleb, but it was convincing enough to leave a bad taste in my mouth.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 2 жыл бұрын
You say "added some harmonic distortion" as if that's not the hardest bit to get right ;) I haven't tried the older strips properly yet however, can't really comment.
@Scottacon
@Scottacon 2 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrall Aha, see what I mean? Lowly pleb reporting in 💀
@BrofUJu
@BrofUJu 2 жыл бұрын
I still think there's a difference in the high end as well, and the saturation on it is fantastic.
@tomw1970
@tomw1970 2 жыл бұрын
I've been stepping away from Waves for a while now. Still love the omni channel though. The video that made me not even desire this in the least was an SSL shootout that Adam from the channel " Hi KZbin I'm dad" did and the follow up to it concerning the response he got from Waves' support.
@PurpleMusicProductions
@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that same video from Paul Third and that was the nail in the coffin for me too, plus I was already starting to not like the sound of their plugins as well and no longer use them.
@duncanmcneill7088
@duncanmcneill7088 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I’ve tried most “SSL type” channel strips (and the Omni Channel and others) but the one I’ve finally settled on is the SSL “SSL type” channel strip which, in conjunction with their 360 app, I find quick, accurate and effective.
@Mansardian
@Mansardian 2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%. Same with me.
@TransistorLSD
@TransistorLSD 2 жыл бұрын
But it's too clean :(((
@duncanmcneill7088
@duncanmcneill7088 2 жыл бұрын
@@TransistorLSD - what I've found is that a good channel strip compressor is more sonically pleasing to me than channel strip saturation. Besides, the original hardware SSL channel didn't really "saturate" - it was intended to be pretty much linear right up to the point that it clipped (which is fine for limiting transients). The "saturation" came from tape and outboard gear. That's how I remember it anyway. YMMV.
@JM_2019
@JM_2019 2 жыл бұрын
And it becomes a dream with the UC1 controller.
@entrancemusicofficial8550
@entrancemusicofficial8550 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, SSL Native rocks!
@MusokeMSK
@MusokeMSK 2 жыл бұрын
I love the scheps omni channel. Literally use it on every mix. Especially for bus processing. Would love the see a full review 🙏
@joesalyers
@joesalyers 2 жыл бұрын
You need to consider the live reasoning behind Waves plugins for Soundgrid. Yes the fader needs to be there on the waves at least since it is used in the Soundgrid systems and when using the soundgrid live system the MIC can be used to control the Pre Amp gain. But yea it's kind of dumb in a DAW plugin but my guess is, it is cheaper to build an all in one plugin GUI for both live and the studio.
@chrisk.6246
@chrisk.6246 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know the plug-in mic gain affected Soundgrid preamps-that’s kinda awesome
@joesalyers
@joesalyers 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisk.6246 Yep as long as it is the first insert, a ton of guys run just SSL EV2 or Mixhub with Soundgrid to have an SSL for live, especially the guys who grew up using the ATI Paragons which were API's live SSL clone.
@chrisk.6246
@chrisk.6246 2 жыл бұрын
@@joesalyers That’s pretty freakin’ sweet. I know it’s intended for foh/etc., but I imagine that Soundgrid could be fun as a tracking console in a studio, too-have you tried that, and if so, how did it do?
@Lefoxtrott
@Lefoxtrott 2 жыл бұрын
A million times yes about having two volume knobs with one dedicated to headroom/saturation without any effect on the real level. So many “analog emulation” plugins are SO much harder to use because there’s no simple way to try different gain structures for different modeled preamp behavior!
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up on 4k and 6k consoles and Waves did a pretty good job restraining themselves to the limitations of the hardware. It should be said that at the time, limitation was the last word that came to SSL users. Their consoles brought us a rainbow of sonic joy, in a league of their own for quite a while. Very repeatable and exact pot laws even! An SSL allowed the engineer to actually change their game, cutting loads of time, and making new sounds not only easy, but possible for the first time without a vanload of outboard gear. I used the SSL bundle for the first time mixing the Latin Grammys live in Las Vegas and bought the rather expensive bundle the day I got home. Maybe my best investment in years. The Puigchild and Puigtec are likewise almost too good to be true.
@armandoterron3637
@armandoterron3637 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Peter. Good to hear from you. 👍❤️
@asmarosyoussef
@asmarosyoussef 2 жыл бұрын
Waves gave Dan all access to evaluate their plugins and mentioned SSL EV2 as their top seller and they instantly regret it 🤣🤣🤣 as you were giving your honest critics, I've heard that they replicated the 1st SSL, added some features which i consider not a big deal and marketed it well so they can sell it, still not even close to bx_console SSL 4000E which has been there for years. Great video 🙏👍 thanks
@marcelosuarez3027
@marcelosuarez3027 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Dan, you're the most interesting, articulated and even funny audio geek youtuber out there!
@MrMikomi
@MrMikomi 2 жыл бұрын
I think Arturia take the "recreate but make it better" approach and I appreciate that.
@Rhythmattica
@Rhythmattica 2 жыл бұрын
McDSP has been doing This Since Filter Bank. Its not a recreation,, nor does it look like it, But its there....
@markseagraves5486
@markseagraves5486 3 ай бұрын
Whenever I am tempted… I just listen to this again. Dan you have saved me again and again. Waves Plugins are like cartoons.
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 2 жыл бұрын
The SSL channels from Waves are OUTSTANDING!! I don’t rave often, but really, I’d mix whole shows or records with nothing else if I had to. I’ve been a Waves customer since virtually day one. I remember sending an email with a tech question and getting a phone call in my back yard on July 4 from the founder of the company, saying in a heavy accent “Hoppy Indeepandance Day, Peter”. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I realized what was going on. He spent nearly an hour with me and sent me a Gold bundle from the kindness of his heart which was at the time something really special. It represented at least $800 upgrade from the 6 or 7 plugs I had alreadly purchased. Customer forever.
@EdwinDekker71
@EdwinDekker71 2 жыл бұрын
I like the brainworks ssl strips much better.
@seenbelow
@seenbelow 2 жыл бұрын
I'm one of those guys who adjust balance through trim or channel strip output knobs/faders instead of the DAW faders. I only like to write automation on those. However for anything EQ, comp and saturation related I think every plugin should have an EL gain compensation these days.
@Beatsbasteln
@Beatsbasteln 2 жыл бұрын
for me it's the other way around. i use the DAW's faders to mix, as they are literally giving me all sounds next to each other, and load an extra plugin if i need a gain automation to have it seperated from the mixer volume.
@joeyschmitt2410
@joeyschmitt2410 9 ай бұрын
Reapers trim/read automation mode is good for being able to do both on your faders, though admittedly having layers of volumes on a single fader quickly felt like a recipe for confusing myself and I went back to read only ​@@Beatsbasteln
@Snoopy-20111
@Snoopy-20111 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see something Waves has/does uniquely. Something like MaxxBass, possibly comparing against RBass, and other offerings from other companies (off the top of my head, Melda, Voxengo, Refuse, and whoever made Bass Landscapes).
@peterjuulkristensen8425
@peterjuulkristensen8425 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve made only a handful of KZbin comments in my whole life, but was compelled to do one now, as it would be extremely interesting to hear your thoughts on the Scheps Omni Channel as I use it ALL the time.
@mrnelsonius5631
@mrnelsonius5631 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of feel bad for developers and “analog” channel strips: they are huge sellers and as soon as you deviate from the hardware people complain, even though you are absolutely correct that many hardware quirks don’t make sense in a modern DAW at all. It’s funny about the gate: a small dev I like made an SSL style channel strip excluding the gate section…. The main complaint on the forums over and over was that people wanted a gate section. “Why isn’t a gate there?? It’s not an SSL without it”. Devs can’t win with channel strips. People think they want what they want, hardware accuracy, and that’s just the way it is even if I’m completely of your mind: give me vintage *inspired* tools that fit seamlessly into a modern workflow.
@mrnelsonius5631
@mrnelsonius5631 2 жыл бұрын
I also have to ask Dan: did you use the Mutronics Mutator on that guitar solo?? There’s some very cool stuff happening there occasionally that reminds me of it :)
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 2 жыл бұрын
FabFilter Timeless 3
@mrnelsonius5631
@mrnelsonius5631 2 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrall 🙏🙏
@weedywet
@weedywet 2 жыл бұрын
Here's the thing (as I suspect you know),: lots of bedroom recorders who've never been anywhere near a real analogue desk have been convinced they "need" an SSL. So what they WANT is something that looks just like the real thing, and they don't know or care if it actually does a good job. I'd argue that there isn't anything at all that this does that the Scheps Omni Channel doesn't do much better (just to take another Waves plug in as an example). But then that doesn't press that satisfaction button that makes a hobbyist think "now I have an SSL"
@Daysofsamara
@Daysofsamara 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I like the SSL Ev2 a lot because I'm the kind of mixer who needs to go fast and straight to the point. I use a mixing template in reaper with the ev2 ssl on each channel and one or two other plug-ins in "offline" mode which are different for each channel. The SSL EV2's knobs are placed at specific points that I like for each instrument. example, for Kick, compressor ratio at 4, release at 100, open attack, expander at -18, release at 150, EQ points placed at 70, 250, 500 and 8000 with the Q value also defined . which allows me during the mix to make my first "usual movements" very quickly and see if it works. if so, I move on, if not, I also move on knowing that I will have to come back to this line and explore with something else but I move forward and try to bring the mix to 80-90% what I want in the first 15 minutes. once I have something solid, then I explore with more "precise" plug-ins to tweak and go back to lines where the SSL channel didn't give me satisfaction. one things that I like à lot in this channel is the EQ monitor buttons which I personnaly enable by default and so, I could easily feel if I'm in the right spot or not.
@TiuqueErrante
@TiuqueErrante 2 жыл бұрын
I like the channel strips from Waves, expecially the G, but what i love is actually 9000j from plugin alliance. 9000J is such an awesome channel strip.
@levondarratt787
@levondarratt787 2 жыл бұрын
One of THE best ever made.
@davewestner
@davewestner 2 жыл бұрын
With you on the 9000. Made me appreciate why SSL was such a presence in the audio biz....brilliant design.
@scottpearson5091
@scottpearson5091 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, you’re on my list of people to have a beer with someday. Your videos are thee best! Thank you sir!!
@GeorgeTitkov
@GeorgeTitkov 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this fine plugin review! Another Waves SSL "channel strip" is CLA MixHub (apart from the hub functionality). However it also sports a switchable 1176 compressor algorithm plus dedicated side chain filters & EQ, plus a built-in parallel compression mix knob. A review/comparison with the EV2 channel strip would be interesting. :)
@adamcain2990
@adamcain2990 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love your take on Fuse Audio Labs' VCS-1, Dan, for a fully-featured channel strip that near enough does everything right. I've a couple gripes with it (same issue with dynamics side-chains, for example), but it's much more feature-rich than the usual strip. Thanks in advance, if you see this.
@danross6517
@danross6517 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the review and the content! My only note where I differ is that I always try to gain stage my mix from the fader on a channel strip and not my DAW faders. It makes automation nicer and means I have the same resolution for automation on all channels. Plus I know that if 1 channel is -1.6db then it's because I accidentally knocked it
@BrofUJu
@BrofUJu 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I like having the options of all of these things, old school stuff where I'll use my ears, more surgical stuff, and sometimes the Scheps is great just to drop on a background element and mix the entire thing in one plugin.
@Genital.Wartzenegger
@Genital.Wartzenegger 2 жыл бұрын
As a hobbyist that is self taught from KZbin and other self help sites. I’ve always stayed away from waves due to the insane amount of hate they get from content creators and commenters saying they suck. Leave it to Dan Worrall to show their power. One thing I did buy in my early days was the waves JJP series, which are all in one plugins to treat drums, strings, keys, etc.. with faders for brightness, punch, ambience and things along those lines. Would love to see a review of those style of waves plugins which streamline workflows for non technic producers.
@escalator9734
@escalator9734 2 жыл бұрын
I'm also self taught from yt and other sites, but until recently I've never seen the hate or dislike towards waves. There was always one or lot more plugins from them on tutorials, ssl stuff, pultec, rvox/bass/whatever, even the ugly 20 years old eq, etc. It has changed since the slate stuff became the cool thing to use, and now there's even more companies making emulations. Crazy to think we saw completely different stuff from the same learning process, there is such much stuff to read and watch from so many different people
@benjaminhixson3918
@benjaminhixson3918 3 ай бұрын
I think that waves biggest factor now is that they are 50/50 studio and live. This plugin is INCREDIBLY helpful live. SSL gates have their own sound, so it’s great on drums, the saturation on it is nice for some vocal parts and guitar parts, and the listen band is invaluable on throw and go type scenarios (particularly with vocals). It’s not trying to be the brainwork’s plugins or anything fancier like that, it’s trying to sound good at a decent cpu load with as low of latency as it can.
@Mansardian
@Mansardian 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't buy the EV2 as I already got CLA Mixhub which is the exact same plugin but with the hub-feature incorporated. However, recently I bought SSL's own Essential bundle v2 . I have to say: this tops every attempt of other plugin devs. It might not be your go-to saturation tool, but it sounds fantastic. The compressor alone is 👌
@Rhythmattica
@Rhythmattica 2 жыл бұрын
I first had the SSL CS and Buss comp , which was based on the Duende code.... But with the V2 release , supposedly the code from there Duality desk., (also UC1 support ) the Buss comp and CS are just , well.. SMOKIN.. They already sounded great.. But damn... due to that FREE upgrade (had the assets automatically deposited in my ilok account) , I went trial their other plugs....Purchased many,... there really is some SSL magic .. TLDR? SSL doing SSL....... Whats there not to like?
@danymalsound
@danymalsound Жыл бұрын
@@Rhythmattica yes! SSL's plugs are KILLER
@nebstaism
@nebstaism 2 жыл бұрын
Waves plugins are still used probably the most out of all the other plugins on my mixes ... they just work and do the job and aren’t too cpu heavy
@fiachnaodonnell7895
@fiachnaodonnell7895 2 жыл бұрын
In terms of Waves plugins you might look at in the future, I'd be particularly curious about MaxxBass and the H-Delay
@sssyntax
@sssyntax 2 жыл бұрын
Seconding maxx bass
@OPdbx
@OPdbx 2 жыл бұрын
I love RBass! (Maxxbass too but I don't own it)
@besimbaftiu
@besimbaftiu 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the way you analyze in detail every time but, the most important thing is that the music has to be able to get to the listener and this is outstandingly present from the first record that ever came out. I still think about being able to do something that doesn't have to be elaborate on, if it is so thanks for your hard work and I can tell you something, I learned a lot from your content and I really appreciate everything you do for community. My point is that you can inspire people in creative ways. Bless you good human being. Greetings from Kosova. Besim Baftiu.
@No.0.o.0
@No.0.o.0 2 жыл бұрын
Really dig your synth patches this one is glorious, wish i knew what was going on in that intro patch. So pretty and animated
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 2 жыл бұрын
Two sine waves driven by polyrhythmic arpeggiators (3 against 5) with distortion plus glitches and glides from FabFilter Timeless 3.
@drewthompsonhooke
@drewthompsonhooke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dan! Please consider exploring the Waves NLS plugins. Cheers!
@Tomydeclerqueplus
@Tomydeclerqueplus 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a proper review for the plugin ... and the developers could easily create the modern version, with switch of a button. So u can choose the original setup channel strip or modernised with all your suggestions
@G_handle
@G_handle 2 жыл бұрын
Channel Strip Plugins (1 of 5) The original Waves SSL channel strip & G-Comp (not this EV2) are probably the suspect zero of All channel strip plugins to follow. The promise was, as in this video: Put this on Every channel, with the Bus Comp on your master bus, and Boom you're mixing on an SSL 4000E, signed off on by Solid State Logic themselves. The bus comp became more omnipresent than the channel strip I think mainly because people's computers back then couldn't run that many instances of the channel strip without maxing CPU and RAM. The limitations of the channels strip EQs and Dynamics, when compared with every other option in our rapidly expanding plugin folders was another blow. And for me, the inflexibility of inserting any other processor into the chain, say after the input stage or between the EQ & Compressor, another Con. What I've wondered about for over a decade now, is what Dan touched on in this video. There are many Pros to working with channel strip plugins, and for me they far outweigh the Cons. But why the hell are the Cons coded into the virtual products at all? Or if you are going to code it in, to make some purists happy, at least give us a way Around the limitations of the 1980s in the 21st century. FFWD to 2022, and now almost every plugin maker has some form of SSL, NEVE, & API "Analog Emulation" plugin, some endorsed some not. I might have a Dozen SSLs at this point. To contradict my self, I actually Love the concept, at least the illusion, that I can buy an emulation of an high end piece of studio equipment, that would cost thousands of dollars per unit, and performs similarly enough to the original hardware that the Actual Company puts their own logo on the plugin, all for a hundred bucks. (we all know that with Waves the real price is $29, but others hover around a hundred for the first year or so.). Even at their full MSRP of maybe $350 bucks, which I Never pay, the deal if you can suspend disbelief, is two good to be true Even if you only inserted that plugin on one channel, but you get to use it as many times as your poor little Mac can handle. Now, I bought, love, and am touching right now, the original Softube Console 1 system (actually manufactured in Sweden) shortly after it came out for $1,000, and it only came with one SSL 4000E channel strip emulation and the option to buy the SSL XL9000K for a few hundred more, which I also did. And it changed everything, for me. The first obvious difference between the Console 1 SSL and all the others, is the dedicated Hardware Channel Strip. The philosophy was the same as the OG Waves: install the plugin on every channel in your DAW and you move from channel to identical channel intuitively knowing the controls and what they will do to your sound. But Console 1 added the Muscle Memory back into the equation. Your ears hear, your mind know what to do, and now your hands are already doing it. (This is sounding like a commercial for console one, which it is definitely not as you will see. Plus my on-screen display app is broken right now and I'm not happy about it.) (Continued 2 of 5......)
@chrisk.6246
@chrisk.6246 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you pointed out the 96k sample rate limit on this plug-several Waves plugins top out @96k, and they even have a few that can’t go past 48k (yet). I imagine we’ll see more of Waves’ catalog become compatible with 192k in the next couple of years…
@BrofUJu
@BrofUJu 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a point in mixing at 192? Legit asking, that's insanely high.
@chrisk.6246
@chrisk.6246 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a fair question. At present, I don’t feel the need to go beyond 96k in my recording/mixing, but if the gear can handle it, I’d like my plugins to have the option, too…
@AboveEmAllProduction
@AboveEmAllProduction 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrofUJu mixing, no, since your stems have to be 192k as well, taking up huge space and processing time would be very slow even for a monster cpu. But for mastering with a single file It can absolutely make sense. Some plugins sounds better as the sample rate go up, and aliasing can almost entirely be avoided.
@BrofUJu
@BrofUJu 2 жыл бұрын
@@AboveEmAllProduction isn't it going to be exported to 48 anyway? I work in TV and everything needs to end up 48 anyway, unless you're just meaning how the plugins behave
@AboveEmAllProduction
@AboveEmAllProduction 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrofUJu yes, but the conversion happens at the very last stage. So every bit of processing would be 192k. Then dithered and converted to 44/48k at the very final step.
@E-1K
@E-1K 2 жыл бұрын
C-1 is my favourite compressor in the world. I think I've been using it maybe 20 years. Reviewing that would be so cool!
@kaori-3882
@kaori-3882 2 жыл бұрын
Also using it for 17 years, Unless I want ultra clean sound and than FirComp has won :)
@TheCraigAnderton
@TheCraigAnderton 2 жыл бұрын
One aspect I rarely see mentioned in any reviews is whether a program's controls are multipoint touch-sensitive. It's convenient to be able to, for example, alter an EQ stage frequency while also adjusting the bandwidth, or change a synth's envelope shape while also adjusting the velocity response. EV2 and most Waves plug-ins handle multipoint touch well. However, regarding touch in general, it took me a while to figure out that I didn't need to have my hand over the control where I couldn't see what I was adjusting, but could touch the knob, then slide my finger to the side while still being able to adjust the control. I particularly like multitouch with signal processors and synthesizers, to avoid the "one parameter at a time" mouse issue.
@Bthelick
@Bthelick 2 жыл бұрын
Not nit picky at all Dan, I totally agree. if they're going to add a feature (live black vs brown) that's only possible in digital, then they should implement features in the digital/mouse UI ergonomics department too. The limitations for the sake of visual accuracy make 0 sense.
@joelibretti
@joelibretti Жыл бұрын
You easily do the BEST Plugin reviews on the Internet, TY! May I request you really pick apart MV2 by Waves? Appreciated.
@vadimmartynyuk
@vadimmartynyuk 2 жыл бұрын
Waves SSL EV2 is one of my favorite plugins. I like how they modeled it to be true to original, including the imperfections and limitations. There are plenty of tools to do things accurately and precisely. By the way, what does EV2 stand for ?
@TreyMotes
@TreyMotes 2 жыл бұрын
SSL E Version 2.
@DJHoboMan
@DJHoboMan 2 жыл бұрын
I've been really curious about the difference, if any, between the DeEsser and the Renaissance DeEsser, because it seems like all of the industry giants only use the DeEsser even though the R-DS is newer and has more features
@EvgenyRosso
@EvgenyRosso 2 жыл бұрын
Good question! Serban uses RDeesser a lot
@ReGToF
@ReGToF 2 жыл бұрын
Funny you mention this. Back in the day when I worked at a studio with mainly waves plugins, I defaulted to DeEsser rather than the R-DS since the behavior was more predictable and somehow more transparent.
@musicproduction1330
@musicproduction1330 2 жыл бұрын
A possible benefit of creating a channel strip with the same layout and limitations of the corresponding hardware is that the users can go back and forth between the two with no learning curve and work the way they're used to working. It's not as flexible as it could be, but it's perhaps faster for those who are used to working that way. This approach could also function as a good training tool for aspiring engineers to come to grips with the hardware before they get to sit down in front of it. Nonetheless, imposed limitations can limit the usefulness of a plugin; and I appreciate you illustrating these issues in your usual, detailed way. Well done!
@petrparizek9945
@petrparizek9945 2 жыл бұрын
When you asked the listeners to suggest other Waves plugins that you could review, the thing that immediately came to my mind was their Enigma, which seems to be included in several of their bundles.
@thorfriis3153
@thorfriis3153 2 жыл бұрын
You need to take into account that waves plugins also are used for Live sound (when talking about the big fader) Using the lv1 i would surely match gain after processesing as I like to have my main channel faders all at 0dB. When in the stressfull situation of a live mix, big knobs are nice. Also - gate/expansion for all channels when having limited processor ressources for Live sound is a nice feature!
@firmans12
@firmans12 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Dan. Pls do the CLA series from Waves
@KozmykJ
@KozmykJ 2 жыл бұрын
I grabbed the bandcamp track Before I saw there was a video. Shortly after grabbing the PA AMEK strip 😜 Shades of 'Thelonioid' discord. I had picked up the EV2 in a previous sale. I too use it more for the Comp than the strip as a whole. I DID used to use the old Waves SSL-E Channel quite a bit.
@Stormsurf001
@Stormsurf001 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet little Reaper tweak at 21:00 - The 'Imperial' skin. Always wondered what it looked like in real life. And using that skin must give the mix more wonderful warm analog vibe Ha ha!
@uselessoldman7964
@uselessoldman7964 2 жыл бұрын
Being the old git I am, I have lived through the evolution of having no option but to use a recording studio to where we are today when all options are on the table including the modern approach of "working from home". Waves have 30 years experience in the digital plugin market starting back at the beginning of the move from analogue to digital, to where we are today when almost all music is digitally recorded mixed and mastered. How times have changed. For some people, 30 years might be a life time for me it has been most of my working life, others potentially less than half their life. Why might you ask is any of that relevant? Back when the digital era started, engineers wanted evolution not revolution, they wanted plugins that they already understood and knew its purpose and how to use it. That transition was a migration from a physical analogue mixing desk with numerous coloured knobs, buttons and faders to a computer screen with a keyboard and a mouse. Todays music industry has been built on thousands of hours of dedicated work programming software algorithms that accurately replicates yesterdays physical hardware we should all be incredibly appreciative of companies like Waves and what they have contributed over the past few decades. Why did Waves plugins once cost so much? Simple business economics, supply demand on top of the research experience knowledge and development costs needed to deliver a working finished product. If they did not replace with considerable accuracy a physical channel strip no engineer would buy and use them, no studio would want them. Now everyone has access to them, we should be grateful and thankful and appreciate the work done by companies like Waves to make todays home studios possible and a reality.
@nofunclub2604
@nofunclub2604 2 жыл бұрын
Your pre-emphasis EQ video blew my mind. Might be worth revisiting that concept with Waves Studio Rack. Studio Rack lets you save chains of multiple waves plugins. You can assign macros to any parameters and have them inversely proportional, so it would allow users of Daw's that don't have that sort of functionality natively to create emphasis/pre-emphasis templates for their waves plugins.
@leckel1996
@leckel1996 2 жыл бұрын
The behavior at higher sample rates is explained on the product page and in the manual. It’s only supposed to operate up to 96kHz like many other waves plugins.
@lucianogm
@lucianogm 2 жыл бұрын
What can i say i havent already, dan! Your plugin tests are awesome. May be would you agree to test waves 1176, scheps 73 or la2a?
@ActuallyConfused
@ActuallyConfused 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend the Waves C4. It is just a Multiband compressor. However, its electro mode sounds very pleasing to me. I also use it for mastering applications, performs rather well. You don't have to do a review for a video, but it might serve you well in your productions :)
@SYCHR0N
@SYCHR0N 2 жыл бұрын
You briefly mentioned the Shepps Omni Channel, could you do a closer look on this one?
@johnvcougar
@johnvcougar 2 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, thanks for the review, got me thinking about how I use my Waves SSL plugs. As for your car I'm an experienced detailer in Oz, so if you wanted to ship it over, I'll be happy to do you a great deal. 😅
@fisherman10101
@fisherman10101 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised at how little the mix changed when you disabled the SSL emulations. Its important to do that comparison because its easy to ruin a well recorded sound by throwing way too many plugins on it just because you have them or because they are an emulation of some exotic piece of equipment with a pretty graphical interface.
@darryldouglas6004
@darryldouglas6004 Жыл бұрын
Great review. I bought this a year or two ago because I wanted an SSL console type plugin. I quickly found out don’t touch the red knob unless your mix specifically needed crap. The Studio One fat channel accomplishes the goals without an Add Crap knob. My lesson learned is learn the functions of your DAWs plugins before looking for solutions elsewhere. 😃
@lifedecoded9842
@lifedecoded9842 2 жыл бұрын
Would love a rundown on the NLS plugins! there's something about driving a signal 7db & the different modes are super pleasing to my ears, I'd be very interested to know what's going on under the hood.
@drewthompsonhooke
@drewthompsonhooke 2 жыл бұрын
+1 for NLS plugins please!
@RedMeansRecording
@RedMeansRecording 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah I would also love to see this.
@XCenturionX
@XCenturionX 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. Always admire your work. That's a really nice Reaper theme, by the way. Would love to see an analysis of the Waves, Scheps Omni Channel sometime in the future.
@PJBonoVox
@PJBonoVox 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was keen on that theme too. Any idea what it is?
@basroos_snafu
@basroos_snafu 2 жыл бұрын
One tiny thing to keep things scientifically correct: the uppercase K is for Kelvin, and the lowercase for kilo, so your kilohertz should be written as "kHz" instead of "KHz". Thank you.
@johnponder5973
@johnponder5973 2 жыл бұрын
A very thorough and insightful review. Thank you, Dan. With so many plugin developers and choices available, an informed decision is sometimes hard to acquire.
@cmsaintnick
@cmsaintnick 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the GW MixCentric and GW VoiceCentric; I love the colour they add, but specifically hate the GW MixCentric's non-removable addition of dither noise
@shaunhutchinson4707
@shaunhutchinson4707 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you plan on doing a review on the Waves API 2500 compressor soon. Apparently it sounds awful and heavily aliased compared to the hardware unit (same goes for the 550 EQ as well I think), even though I make electronic music, I've decided to stop using Waves' API emulation plugins and try stick to Plugin Alliance as much as possible, however they don't have standalone plugins for just the 2500 compressor or 550EQ like Waves, instead they just do a full channel strip/console emulation plugin which im not a big fan of as im already using their 80 Series Neve emulation on my instrument buss groups and master channel to add some 'analog warmth' to my projects. Would love to get your take/analysis on the Waves API 2500 to see if its worth using again on soft synth basslines or leads made from Spire, Sylenth or Serum etc for Trance and DnB, maybe compared to the Vertigo VSC-2 from PA/Brainworx, or Waves' SSL G-Master Buss Compressor compared to PA's bx_townhouse Buss compressor for things like 'glueing' drum/perc or bass busses together etc.
@cjgoeson
@cjgoeson 2 жыл бұрын
Please have a closer look at the Scheps Omni Channel. 🙏
@Chris-zc9bp
@Chris-zc9bp Жыл бұрын
Good review. The reason for all "Why would they do this" because it's a faithful reproduction of an SSL chan. Many pro engineers used or own a real SSL console, like SSL 4000. They feel at home on this. If it was redesigned, it would be different beast. It's not for everyone, for sure. The simple answer to why, because its a faithful plugin version of an SSL console strip. I understand Waves worked with SSL on this.
@bobbybowring4499
@bobbybowring4499 7 ай бұрын
An argument for having the fader in the plugin GUI. Say you're sending an source pre-fader to an aux track for parallel compression, if you want less of it on that aux you could set the level using the plugin. That being said I'd still just do it in the daw or use clip gain. Food for thought.
@G_handle
@G_handle 2 жыл бұрын
Channel Strip Plugins (4 of 5) In addition to the Sound and Feel that I've been discussing at insane length above, the whole point I've been stumbling to make, is that the promise of Channel Strip Plugins and now Console Emulation Systems ( I just made that up) is to: 1) bring you closer in the box, to way an engineer could Connect with the music that was lost with the DAW's Mixer made of ones & zeros and controlled by the same keyboard and mouse used by the back office at the studio not the mix engineer. I never saw a word processor sitting on a NEVE! (But that damn Pro Tools cart did roll over from the side to the middle, and that mouse & keyboard did jump up on top of many consoles. The monitors got nice & cozy between the NS-10s as well. Hell, the Genesis Black eventually even shoved the faders left & right, cut a hole in the middle of the center section, and installed it all right into the board. QWERTY keyboard & all. How many MacBook Pros have laid across Penny & Giles Faders at this point?) 2) Hopefully, rather than emulate the good AND the bad parts of the past, these companies will focus on innovating the future while learning from the past. Keeping and expanding upon what was good, and improving upon or eliminating what was bad. On the whole, we've been far too concerned with perfect emulation, "authenticity'', and nostalgia rather than moving the ball forward. That said I think that in many ways many companies have done a lot of that, and it goes if not unnoticed at least under-appreciated. The two companies and products above that it sounds like I'm schilling for, on a KZbin comment, for some damn reason, are perfect examples: Softube Console 1 OSD (On-Screen Display): With Console 1 when you press the Display On button you get a heads-up display that really is a massive extension of whatever DAW's mixer you happen to be using (well actually 5 options of display. And you can set it to open and close by itself when you touch something). Let's imagine that if you really were working on classic studio console, you would get the exact same sound from the exact same controls. (None of the emulations are exact, but who cares they're DAMN good, and getting better.) What you would also likely get on the board is a level meter for each channel allowing you to See how they're all moving, by themselves but also how they dance with all the other meters and channels. You also get that here, at least for 20 channels at a time, but what else you get for whichever channel you have selected and focussed, are Large Input & Output meters both in the OSD and on the Hardware controller next to the Input and Output gain controls at your fingertips. That's like grabbing the input gain at the top of a strip in your left hand & the channel fader in your right while listening and watching both the input level and the output level, without even leaning in your chair. That alone is... well let me keep going. What you don't get on a classic SSL, NEVE, API, etc is every selected channel strip displaying an RTA/Frequency Analyzer of that channels signal, with your EQ Curves super-imposed on top showing you precisely what you're doing while you're twisting knobs in the EQ section, as well as what effect it is having on the signal...Visually. How about independent XY graphs meters for both the Gate/Expander (Shape) and the Compressor sections, along with gain increase/reduction meters on both the OSD and on the hardware? Not enough? Mix with your ears you say? Well I say that you're sitting perfectly in the sweet spot, with your ears locked onto whatever channel you choose at light speed, either in context or in solo (btw the solo button is right next to your right finger), your hands have instant access to Many if not all of the parameters and controls that you would have had on a six-figure mixing console, And your Eyes are now presented with far more Real-Time information about the Signal Levels and your Gain Settings, Spectrum Analysis and your Equalization adjustments, Dynamic Movement and your Thresholds and Settings. You don't wanna see it? Don't turn on the display. I do. And while I agree that "Seeing" your signals does influence the decisions you make, I don't think that the new conventional wisdom that that influence is predestined to be a negative influence, and you would have made better decisions if you were blindfolded, makes any sense. Why have any meters? What precisely is the 'visual information threshold' where any less or any more will ruin you mix? I want more. And Solid State Logic is here to help. (Continued 5 of 5.....)
@LesVegasMusic
@LesVegasMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Worrall's channel is where I go when I want to go to my happy place. 🙂
@sylvaind9086
@sylvaind9086 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, you make great points about the need to modernize "console emulation" workflow in a modern DAW. I use them, love them but have often found myself frustrated for having to(for example) choose where I will dedicate my HP/LP filter on SSL emulations.
@danielmorgan937
@danielmorgan937 2 жыл бұрын
Waves is getting their best deal ever on research for their next iteration of plugins
@luiza177music
@luiza177music 2 жыл бұрын
Really love this analytical approach to plugin reviews!
@Night1989
@Night1989 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, still watching the video. I guess alot of people, me included, would like to see a comparison done by you with the old E Channel + the NLS Console emulation. Also, whats your opinion on the scheps omni channel?
@1loveMusic2003
@1loveMusic2003 Жыл бұрын
I like how the in out meters are next to each other for gain matching.
@Bthelick
@Bthelick 2 жыл бұрын
When it was revealed that waves analog button just turns on some hiss, I've been dubious ever since. And according to my tests they never got anywhere near slate or UA for analog modelling. I prefer their original digital solutions. It's not accurate enough to the hardware, to warrant the limited ergonomics, nor useful enough in modern digital ergonomics features to compensate.
@gdansk12349
@gdansk12349 2 жыл бұрын
DBX 160 and BSS DPR 402. I really like those two
@Tryggvasson
@Tryggvasson 2 жыл бұрын
that line vs mic pre gain combination has always preoccupied me in terms of the gain structure on the ssl emulation, it's great to have that comparison made in such a net fashion. i don't use the ev2, however, in cla mixhub, various combinations between the two, while keeping the pre output constant (via the gain ratios, no touching the fader), yield vastly different timbres. watching your video makes me retroactively doubt my ears, although the difference has never been subtle. i'd really be interested in seeing you give mixhub a thorough once over. i really like the fader on a console strip, by the way. i agree it's just for gain compensation, and i do prefer to have a single output adjustment, instead of one for each section, for one, and hate to see a knob for the output instead of a fader, secondly. not as precise and easy to work with, but mostly it's a visual feel. that fader is what tells me it's a console, and gives me the feeling and the mood, and the eagerness to work. that's the difference between an artist (as a vocation, at least, not necessarily as a qualification, that's not for me to assess) and an engineer - it's not all measurements, wheels and gears, but the joy and the feeling of working with it. does it give you the mood or not? same as with cars, guitars, etc. if something doesn't give me the feeling, it's worthless, and i don't give a rat's ass on what it does technologically - unless amazing and necessary, and with no better replacement, feel wise, but even then i'd hate working with it. so the fader should stay, and every console strip should have one, as far as i'm concerned. by the way, you can also set the default setting for your compressor ration - or anything else - in the plugin, you don't need the daw. i'd be really interested in a cla mixhub review. i really enjoy your videos.
@samkenny3075
@samkenny3075 2 жыл бұрын
fantastic and thorough as always-- I'd love to see a scheps omni channel review sometime-- love this channel!
@peteranders6893
@peteranders6893 2 жыл бұрын
I have the bucket and water and watched a few detailing videos on youtube, so just say when and where and I'll help get your car spotless Dan. Then I can always say, I actually know this man irl. I used to wash his car when he didn't have 1m subscribers yet. Some have bigger accomplishments than others, but maybe I should focus on cleaning my own car first...anyway finally subscribed after watching all your videos. The car washing request did it for me.
@MixReady
@MixReady 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this Dan. This proves that Waves really need to step up their game if they want to stay relevant in the future. They have so many plugins with big names written on them... And the beginner mixing engineers and producers buy into it. Also, what's up with them having a sale 24/7 every day in the year?! :D
@WilsonRyan
@WilsonRyan 2 жыл бұрын
For the same reason almost all plug-in sellers do, it increases perceived value. You’re more likely to buy it if you *think* the original cost is $200 and you magically found it at the right time for $30. The eternal sale also conceals the average price amongst all these price fluctuations.
@DaniTorresOfficial
@DaniTorresOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Was always wondering when you would do a proper waves analysis... Please continue this project, thank you!!! 🙏❤️
@tiadiad
@tiadiad 2 жыл бұрын
Their Abbey Road plugs are pretty good.
@vondano
@vondano 2 жыл бұрын
Could you compare the Brainworxx SSL 4000 e strip to the wave one?
@cornerliston
@cornerliston 2 жыл бұрын
You might like the SSL Channel Strip 2 plugin. I believe they solve everything you ask for. Haven't used it thoroughly yet but looks like it does. No fader output, EQ and filters used in parallell for sidechain and probably some more useful things you'd like in a modern software emulations. Although low mid EQ is also restricted to 200 hz, as the hardware I guess. There was a time when I thought Waves made the best possible plugins-but that's about 20 years ago. Now I'm just avoiding being trapped into a subscription model lurred by ever ongoing sales.
@observer_music
@observer_music 2 жыл бұрын
A waves plugin i love to misuse in a weird way is putting the W43 onto a kick with a hard transient, try it out and listen to how it softens the transient and also changes its tone, i cant explain what its doing, maybe an eq curve or some phase manipulation, but its been a secret little trick which sounds good to my ears at least
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