Danya Pulls UNO REVERSE on Kramnik's CHEATING Allegations

[@douggieharrison6913]

Much respect to Danya for not putting this on his youtube channel. He'd probably get 10× as many views as drama always does. But he just keeps it about chess with the speed runs. Legend

[@bjarkenicolaisen4502]

I think he should just farm views on this like crazy. I mean there is no way to disprove accusations like this (well-known from e.g. cycling - whatever you say in your defense will only make people more determined in their prior belief), so he might as well just gain something from it

[@who-ve2ss]

He probably did it to not get more attention to the accusation idk

[@ItsAsparageese]

@@bjarkenicolaisen4502 Nah, if he posted videos about it they'd be a magnet for the weird subculture of Kramnik fanboys to come talk trash in the comments. Keeping his channel on-brand and focused on his usual content makes sense. And it's a classy power move for him to accept that others will gladly spread the discourse in his defense. I totally agree with your logic about there being no point getting too defensive, though, yeah. People will believe what they've decided to believe

[@bjarkenicolaisen4502]

@@ItsAsparageese yes for sure he would get more trolls, but the old saying “there is no such thing as bad publicity” I believe he could attract even more new viewers. But ok I agree it not necessarily classy but I would just like for him to gain from this in some way, I feel for the guy

[@N8Dulcimer]

When you watch "Kramnik calling people cheaters" videos all day it's easy to forget that to an everyday person, the story is that "the 8 time world champion called a random GM a cheater." which many people would probably just believe at face value. Personally, I have seen enough of Danya's personality to know that he is genuinely very hurt at the negative reactions he's gotten.

[@leonardsmith9870]

Kramnik calling people cheaters whilst he's been banned 2 times this year for fair play violations is insane.

[@SachaAlary]

Ik

[@theKashConnoisseur]

It takes one to know one, they say.

[@Cazeduardofr]

Also coaches a cheater...

[@KapyLeBro]

Considering his obsession with cheating im pretty sure he will get caught himself in the future

[@leonardsmith9870]

@@KapyLeBro He already has...

[@Appel1989]

So according to kramnik's logic, Hikaru has a computer screen glued to the ceiling?

[@victorkao1472]

Kramnik believes Hikaru cheats, yes

[@cyanidecologne9018]

Its a deadly and you dont even know who has it, its in the walls, its in your sock, its in the bathroom stall, its every time you look to the left.

[@NicoR24601]

It wouldn't be a surprise if he thinks his room is just covered by 20 monitors showing all the best moves of the 20 best engines available today.

[@englishmuffinpizzas]

Pretty much exactly that actually

[@banishedbr]

one monitor for every pineapple, just how amazing pineapples are , and monitors with engines

[@DinaBelenkaya]

Love your edits, keep it up!!

[@zolopane117]

TightKnights getting props from Dina was not on my 2024 Kramnik Cheating Bingo Card. This drama is nuts

[@riverslave709]

holy cow its dina

[@wpt729fx]

Dina!

[@justinbouchard]

ayoooo

[@shivsatyam4262]

mommy dina 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@Glenn-tj3fk]

Kramnik even left his chair at Titled Tuesday "to open the door for his daughter that arrived home from school". Perhaps he wanted to go check some engine. Interesting...

[@bleekcer]

Maybe his daughter followed the game, and Kramnik asked her beforehand to intervene when necessary? Did Kramnik explain his process of thought after that strange incident? It makes him rather suspicious, don't Kramnik think? He should address this, I'm just asking questions here.

[@Glenn-tj3fk]

@@bleekcer she just came from school and she didnt have a key with her to open the door. But yes, we could as well see it as suspicious if we really want to. Edit: he said this loud, while running away from screen and returning 20sec or so later

[@bleekcer]

@@Glenn-tj3fk So this explanation is good enough, but Danyas explanation isn't?

[@Glenn-tj3fk]

who am i to judge. If you want my take: Danya didn't cheat, Kramnyk's going out of bound

[@bleekcer]

@@Glenn-tj3fk Exactly what I'm saying. His accusations are at least as ridiculous, as him being accused of his daughter helping him to cheat.

[@Gerry360o]

insane respect for tightKnights to document all this so people know the bad thinks that are going on in the chess world

[@anonymousxyz9629]

Exactly, I'm especially disappointed with levy focusing more on clickbaity content recently rather than the important events because he's the main source of chess news for most people

[@wuzahns5302]

but authors opinion is not independent, the author is clearly not on kramniks side

[@ItsAsparageese]

​@@wuzahns5302 Editorialized journalism is still journalism. It's not like TightKnights gets public funding. They don't owe anyone neutrality. And anyway, no reasonable person is on Kramnik's side here

[@ErykKrzeminski]

@@wuzahns5302 There is no kramnik's side here

[@RunnerBoi]

@@wuzahns5302 The channel never claimed to be a neutral source. It also doesn't take a genius to figure out how comically one-sided this game of semantics is at times either lmao

[@Hintz6]

Props to Danya for having the patience to defend himself. Kinda ridiculous accusations. At this point I think Kramnik is just trying to stir up drama for the clicks

[@AdamZerhouni-g3l]

I don't think Kramnik is just trying to stir up drama for the clicks i think he's just losing his mind bcuz he doesn't trust people around him (more like people in russia(more like the entire russian sports industry)) he doesn't believe he can trust a modern day speed chess genius from canada

[@zhangyic]

⁠@@AdamZerhouni-g3l Kramnik is not trusting anyone from anywhere, and that’s pretty sad to see but unfortunately it’s how his brain functions now with all the things he experienced

[@theKashConnoisseur]

My theory is that Kramnik has a vendetta against Chesscom after they didn't respond to his (multiple) allegations and eventually banned him for wildly accusatory blog posts on the site. As a result, I think he's accusing Chesscom sponsored players like Hikaru and Danya of cheating to try and damage the reputation of the company.

[@bambesfresser]

Kramnik made himself a laughing stock when he "non-accused" Hikaru. He doesn't have any clue about cheating and the differences between classical and online blitz.

[@ronald3836]

@@bambesfresser Having an engine running is normal in online blitz?

[@crondum1569]

it's just sad to see how a super GM and former world champion can make himself look like such an idiot, i remember he called out Jose martinez for cheating and when they battled it out he was constantly complaining about the computer whenever he got beaten by Jose... and now he calls out one of the top players out there who is also an influencer... Vlad you are a joke.. time to retire

[@EnriqueNuesch]

And even in BOTH matches with José, Kramnik refused to play in the same time format of TT, which is exactly the time format an tournament he accused José to be cheating in.

[@gilgamesh8334]

He literally accused Hikaru of cheating lmfao

[@jaybm1560]

@@gilgamesh8334 who doesn't he accuse

[@stanislavbrusnikin4885]

You are looking like a n idiot

[@cannotfigureoutaname]

​@@jaybm1560 Only Hans Moke

[@WhizzerdSupreme]

He took the allegations... and _turned them into a chess lesson_ What an absolute *legend*

[@AdamZerhouni-g3l]

bro i would believe the earth is flat rather than believing danya is a cheater, my dude kramnik does not know what he's talking about, danya has been around for so long as one of the first top level online blitz chess player, the amount of games he has played live on stream and the lines that he's been calculating and explaining to the viewers for so long obviously shows he's not a cheater, like bro just use your brain, even if he can cheat in blitz how do u explain his strength in bullet and hypperbullet, even the top players in online blitz, like hikaru firouzja bortnyk, they know he isn't cheating, they've played thousands of games against each other and i'm really not gonna explain why they're 1000% sure he isn't a cheater, kramnik does not understand that danya is a modern day speed chess genius, at his best easily top 5 speed chess players in the world, right at the level of magnus, hikaru, firouzja

[@kidrenegade8525]

But the earth is firmament.

[@AdamZerhouni-g3l]

@@kidrenegade8525 no it's cubic wym

[@kidrenegade8525]

@@AdamZerhouni-g3l I’m being serious.

[@Steelmage99]

@@kidrenegade8525 OK. What do you mean, when you say; "But the Earth is firmament"?

[@theKashConnoisseur]

I'd believe Danya was a cheater if solid evidence could be presented and/or if he had a proven history of prior cheating. But after examining all of the evidence, and after looking through Kramnik's history of cheating allegations (both against him and by him), it's very difficult to take him seriously in this matter. I'd still listen to his thoughts on the Berlin defense though.

[@TowenOG]

It was stated casually long ago by Ben Finegold that if Danya wanted to, he could have heavily contended with the Super GMs but instead chose the path of school at Stanford. Kramnik lives without an ounce of respect for what Danya has accomplished; Maybe because he only gives credit to those who dedicated their entire life to being a super GM and resents the fact that someone can be that talented. Maybe the voices in his head are telling him. Maybe he’s been living under a rock and has not seen all of the great things Danya has done for the game of chess. Kramnik is a child in an adults body, the only developed neural pathways dedicated to chess. Conversely, Danya was an adult at a young age, writing books and dedicating time to other interests. This is why it’s important to expand your world and be curious. Be a Danya, not a Kramnik. I don’t care about how many world championships you have, I care about how you treat others and how you grow the game and others. Danya shouldn’t even have to acknowledge the allegations because they are absurd. Let’s move on and stop giving someone a platform who just tries tirelessly to bring others down because he’s a narcissistic man baby.

[@cyanidecologne9018]

The voices in Kramnik's head tell him DeepBlue has evolved and its in the walls... Its coming for us Gary! WAKE UP, we need to initiate the Procedure!

[@ceelar]

I think Hikaru's explanation is spot on: Kramnik just doesn't understand blitz playstyles of today. His mindset is only for OTB chess, so the way that people play online looks like cheating to him, because he doesn't understand the thought process. As for Danya, I actually think it's good that he is defending himself, because Kramnik finally decided to attack someone who is universally respected, and there's no better way to expose him as a slanderous fool.

[@sub-harmonik]

I think ben was talking about eric hansen there iirc. unless he said the same about both

[@ronald3836]

@@ceelar But he had an engine running?

[@ronald3836]

@TheHipHopVlog I am not Stockfish, no.

[@macnolds4145]

Danya is arguably THE most honorable chess player-personality ever. And he's a legit 2600-2700+. He's calm, cool, respectful, great at explaining ideas to amateurs, and occassionally does funny impersonations. That's his thing. Going after Danya is just witch-hunting. Period.

[@tolkienfan1972]

Kramnik's feelings were hurt when he lost to a move he didn't see. He said it was super hard to find, but it wasn't. He's just getting old

[@macnolds4145]

@@tolkienfan1972 ahhh. Explains a lot, actually

[@RMF49]

No one tops John Bartholemew, but yeah Danya is right there.

[@guss25100]

I think Hikaru, despite not explaining it very well, hit the nail on the head. Kramnik just does not understand how modern times work. To him, moving pieces fast is black magic, he can't fathom people's ability with a mouse. He can't fathom that good chess players nowadays who play fast time controls are freaking wizards. In his head, as a former world champion, if he can't play that way no one should be able to. He can't wrap his head around streaming and playing, having more than one monitor, looking at chat. None of that exists to him, so, in the end, it's all witchcraft. Thats without saying that there are a bunch of young guys who play thousands of games online, and may have no inclination towards playing OTB. So yes a 2100 FIDE may be stronger than that in the confort of his/her home. Cheating does exist, and online it's a real problem, but in his case, despite being a legend of the game, he's just old, past his prime and butthurt

[@bleekcer]

It's even more simple, Kramnik can't comprehend that other chess players have different modes of thinking and calculating than him. He thinks, if there is no way HE could have come up with a move, than NOBODY could have come up with that move, since he is the world champion. He has a very primitve understanding about how people think and feel. A true sociopath.

[@leucio87]

Do you really believe a former WC "doesn't understand how time works"? I think you have been manipulated by Hikaru

[@bleekcer]

@@leucio87 Kramnik doesn't even understand, that like 90% of people are looking somewhere else when thinking. So it wouldn't surprise me, if he didn't know how time works.

[@guss25100]

@@leucio87 As a fellow human being I’m confident he’s well acquainted with the concept of time, but that’s not my point. What I’m saying is he doesn’t realize how integrated people are with technology, especially younger people, but he’s so overly proud and hard headed that, to him, nothing involving chess should be beyond his capabilities, and any deviation from his norm is foul play

[@guss25100]

@@leucio87 also, I said “modern times” referring to our current age. Obviously I wasn’t implying he doesn’t understand time. Why the hell would I say that

[@valeriekeefe8898]

You should definitely-not use an engine during a speed run even if your opponent is utterly cooked.

[@gregorio87]

You're not taking into consideration what Danya is intending to do with the video... That's to make it educational, which he does a FANTASTIC job at. You think he would've or has ever had an engine open in a serious game? Danya's character is one of absolute integrity, you will never convince me otherwise. It's not a black and white issue. If you take all the facts and nuances into account, he did absolutely nothing wrong in that situation. If you look at that particular situation in a pragmatic manner, and leave the sanctimonious BS at the door, it was perfectly reasonable for him to use that moment as an opportunity for teaching.

[@JohnSmith-fe5br]

@@gregorio87 Doesn't matter what you're doing when playing chess. Engines are never allowed (unless otherwise stated). I, too, believe Danya would never cheat in a serious game, and Kramnik has some serious soul searching to do. But, Danya has said himself that using an engine in a speed run for educational purposes was dubious at best (in violation of terms 100 percent).

[@driyagon]

I can sense he wants to punch something but is still making himself calm and staying calm at all times. A true gentleman might I add

[@JohnSmith-fe5br]

If that's what it takes to be a "true gentleman", this world is really messed up...

[@rigmar9250]

I am just praying that Danya has the support to see this through without taking any psychological damage.

[@notsocrazy2426]

Didn't Kramnik start his whole anti-cheating campaign by accusing Hikaru of cheating because Kramnik doesn't understand the first thing about statistics? Amazing how far we've come.

[@44ThaNatos44]

@@notsocrazy2426 Not sure why he did so but yeah that's how he did so.

[@scottekoontz]

Using standard Elo for win/lose/draw odds, Kramnik was correct in his assessment of the extreme rarity of a 45.5/46 followed soon after by another long string of wins. His statistics were correct, and it took some clever gymnastics by a "statistician" to claim this could easily happen. The idea used to get around the extreme rarity was that if Hikaru played 10,000 or more games then this was somewhat likely to occur, and as long as he played 10,000 or more games then this must have been the week for it to happen. It did sit with rarities like being struck by lightning, so Kramnik's statistics (not his, he asked a mathematician) were not wrong, but he did something similar to what Hikaru did with Hans and made it into an accusation. Now Hikaru's statistics were hilariously wrong when he brought on a "statistician" who gamed the system, making claims of 100% games that were clearly not 100%.

[@bleekcer]

@@scottekoontz No, sorry, he didn't even do a statistical hypothesis test, probably because he doesn't know what that is. Without that this is only, " so many wins in a row, oh I feel that's not right", and is 100% unscientific.

[@scottekoontz]

​@@bleekcer We don't know what Kramik's math helper did because Kramnik wasn't relaying details. I wish both camps had included more details because selection of one parameter is the only issue that separates them. Neither camp used feelings, both have access to the same relatively simple stats math. In other words, both camps' math help (neither Hikaru nor Kramnik are mathematicians) surely did the exact same thing using the same math EXCEPT for the assumed win%. Elo win probability calculation is more sensitive at higher values and larger differences, so there it is. For one post a statistician assumed draw odds in the Hikaru win column which, without explanation, is simply gaming the system. If he had claimed his use of win% was an accepted result of known win/loss/draw percentages in blitz (fewer draws and more flags in favor of the stronger player) and showed work then OK. Maybe it was described, but I have not seen it. The starting point in the 55/55 streak with Elo averages of 3313 and 2953 the win prob is 80% making 55/55 improbable (need 750K trials to reach equally likely scenarios). The use of 92% makes a world of difference, and although I agree it is a better assumption than 80%, it is just another assumption without explanation. What odds must we give Hikaru for Elo 3313 vs 2953 to make such streaks likely within x trials? To more likely than not achieve 50/50, here are the number of trials/games that need to be played: At 80% win probability, 750,000 successive games (i.e., trials) are needed

[@bleekcer]

@@scottekoontz ​Oh, you are very wrong, when you say that his statistics were correct. If you want to make a hypothesis about reality, then you have consider all the relevant factors in reality. Did those statisticians consider and include in their analysis the possibilities of someone being better against some other chess players with the same ELO as the others? Did they consider someone being drunk, having a bad day, tilting, and the according probabilities? Did they consider someone playing while doing sex, or having lost someone, etc? Did they even consider, that a current ELO is not always a perfect measure of strength differences in chess? I could go on and on. Kramnik deliberately forgets that it isn't computers playing against each other under laboratory circumstances. It's the very foundations of the (non-existent) analysis of the probabilities of this event happening here that represent the problem, not the (non-existent) calculations itself based on the insufficient, relevant factors.

[@bjarkenicolaisen4502]

“A priori nobody is innocent” - Kramnik, 2024. Guilty until proven innocent

[@davidkyjovsky5405]

The legendary Soviet judiciary system :)

[@libertas12]

@@davidkyjovsky5405 yes i think it has to do with the general paranoia in russia

[@RG001100]

I still think this is a “able to question anyone”. Which, if operating carefully & in good faith, is reasonable. But the non-accusations aren’t even good faith.

[@bjarkenicolaisen4502]

@@RG001100 I agree - if you ask questions that are answerable/actionable, sure. These are not those kinds of questions though. “Where are you looking?” “There is nothing there, just a wall” “please stop lying Danya”. Not very good-faith questions

[@riziqhanafi8108]

He inherited a fourteen years old kids mentality against Minecraft KZbinrs on Twitter.

[@phl4423]

Kramnik needs help. His mental health is in a bad place. Guy needs help asap.. truly..

[@jamesmaccabbee1449]

The problem is the (supposedly) sane people who follow the insane.

[@Furitenma]

He's always been like this, its not his mental health, its his attitude towards other people. His personality is rotten, no wonder most GM's don't have a high opinion of him as a person.

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

Magnus and hikaru did the same...

[@sixfeetwonder_]

Why lol, I do think they are all cheating a bit. Lol

[@jamesmaccabbee1449]

@@sixfeetwonder_ Just because you think it doesn’t make it so. That’s the problem. What if I think your something really wicked and horrible and spread it everywhere I go to the point people start wondering then believing then spreading it themselves. Proof remember that. You may think this is a small matter, but it’s the principle of the underlying narrative. You can’t just bring imagination and make it reality. That way is fiction literature, children playing, … And Madness!!!

[@Altair584]

For those who are confused by the way, the 18+movie comment Danya makes at 5:50 is a jab at Kramnik jokingly suggesting this in a KZbin comment on his own video. It was a really, really odd joke, even if it was a joke.

[@hugopereira2883]

Source?

[@harvey064]

isnt it just a joke that hes looking at inappropriate content because its an amusing thought with all these accusations of cheating?

[@Altair584]

@@harvey064 It is a joke, but I think it's a really strange thing to joke about Danya looking at pr0n.

[@Altair584]

@@hugopereira2883 I wish I could post the screenshot, because I don't remember which youtube video it was, probably on any he did about Danya. In any case, the comment goes like this: "Its clear that danya was watching something specific: Question remains: what was he watching?" Kramnik: "18+ movie?" ☺ Think what you will of it, but I just wanted to give context since that comment Danya makes on his own might sound weird for those who don't know what he's referring to.

[@harvey064]

@@Altair584ohhh i see sorry i thought this was the only time hed mentioned it, Kramnik saying that is very odd i agree, i thought it was just danya saying it about himself as a joke

[@ShawnTheRazor]

You can tell Danya is pissed. He somehow keeps it together and explains everything so calmly.

[@swop6750]

Hey, thanks for documenting and compiling all the date from this crazy drama, it's very usefull for people wanting to see all the drama and coments directly from the participants

[@psybranet]

Kramnik's intelligence and sanity has come into question.

[@abcdefgh5808]

Indeed. We are not claiming anything, we are just questioning

[@DevinDTV]

Kramnik is clearly off his rocker here, but I think I get it. Chess as a competitive game might be on the way out. It's too easy to cheat. Anyone could be cheating any time. Everyone is suspicious of everyone (slight exaggeration). There's no solution to the problem and it's just going to get worse. Same is true for many online games too, like the whole FPS genre is on rocky ground for the same reason.

[@diggitus]

Don't forget integrity.

[@libertas12]

he is going down the fisher road

[@robertommb]

He was once the best in the game (world champion) but chess evolved a lot past decade with engines, pluze rushs, etc and hes now just outdated and arrogant in terms of not acepting other players (even non super gms) being able to see what he wouldnt see in a board (both now or in his prime). Sum that with his ignorance in statistics plus his doubtful integrity and sanity and we get the procedure. PS.: Ofc its easy to cheat in chess (specilly online) and it does happens, but its not required cheating to be a GM, play good lines or get to high rating. You need to have probable cause to acusated other like him does.

[@TortaSabrosa]

Kramnik is beyond toxic, and the most absurd/saddest thing is that he believes he is doing the chess world a service with his witch hunts. It's incredibly poisonous and is punching down for a former world champion to behave like this.

[@cptnoremac]

I'm not sure he even believes it. I think he's just pissed that Daniel beat him and he's going on a crusade to show that he's really the better player.

[@TheGrandmasterMan]

Unfortunate then Danya was using an engine during the game eh? Educational is just an excuse.....you use the engine after the game.

[@sameergera]

​@@TheGrandmasterMan bro do u really think he needed an engine to smoke a 1100

[@JohnSmith-fe5br]

@@sameergera Of course not. But fact is, he still had an active engine during game play. Simply not allowed. The idea that Danya would cheat in serious games is ludicrous though.

[@SoulYard7]

I thought it was a known fact that most people tend to look up or to the side while recollecting something, but obviously Kramnik is too ignorant to know this fact and jumps straight to accusations of cheating

[@nyc730]

"Chess Players that went Crazy" :add Krammik to the list! much respect for Danya...

[@RaphaelCosteau]

Great editing, perfect for the drama, more Kramnik funny one liners please

[@CrisJunkie]

Did Kramnik get paid vs Martinez? Looks like Kramnik's just looking for another paid match.

[@dwarfhuggers1007]

Kramnik is like the partner who constantly checks your phone, suspicious you're talking to someone else, while they're the one being unfaithful. People tend to project their own behavior onto others. Which... is very interesting.

[@RadictheHuman]

I can't believe that Danya spent so much time even thinking about this guy. He's a troll, the first rule of any online game - DONT FEED THE TROLL

[@Aeistheticism]

Put yourself in Danya's shoes. A former world champion and someone he looked up to in his younger years is now going for his head. He simply cannot ignore it when all of this nonsense keeps piling up.

[@ronald3836]

Maybe don´t run an engine while youi're playing.

[@brakeisoptional]

I love how this is scored like a Nolan movie 😅❤

[@BoredomSatisfied]

Wonderful editing. These have been amazing to get caught up on the drama! Hope you keep it up 😊

[@44ThaNatos44]

Why is anyone still listening to Kramnik at this point ? Danya isn't the first and won't be the last to be forced into a defensive position based on absolutely nothing but this mad man's fantasies from his frustration of falling from the top.

[@jamesmaccabbee1449]

That’s the worrisome issue. Why did people take his word from the beginning. Why are they digging their heels in even tho these accusations have no bearing in reality. We are seeing this same mentality everywhere.

[@lollycopter]

Because the reality is that merchants of disinformation are always listened to by enough people who don't know any better. It doesn't matter what the topic is, the only way to combat it is to challenge it head-on and show why they're wrong or malicious.

[@TheGrandmasterMan]

Wasn't exactly based on nothing is it? Danya is using an engine during the game and says so himself.

[@jamesmaccabbee1449]

@@TheGrandmasterMan This whole thing started from his imagination. Never mind

[@44ThaNatos44]

@@TheGrandmasterMan That's literally the only thing Kramnik provides, this and the "sometimes he glances to he side and who knows what he may have on his wall" '. Also if you don't understand how it has no impact (though I get why it's a problem) to have an engine running on an official speedrun series, your take is irrelevant. Still, the problem with Kramnik is how often he throws those accusations with lacunar justifications. He's not just saying Danya has used an engine in a speedrun and this needs to be addressed, he throws a general accusation and then has nothing but this to show for.

[@wietse1113]

These accusations are all insane, but suggesting that Naroditsky would need an engine to beat an 1100 while up a queen and a minor piece is hilarious.

[@catarmy6927]

Russian being a Russian. They dont like to loose, get angry, accuse the opposite side of cheating. Classic.

[@all_russians_are_dickheads]

And russians supporting kramnik only because he is russian😂😂 They even would support a serial killer in his crime, if a murderer is russian.

[@KiiroSagi]

The only valid criticism of Danya was using the engine for the speedrun but only without the context that it is a speedrun, specifically an education video, rather than something self-serving.

[@pancakes_35]

Yeah but dont all of those accounts refund all of the elo at the end? Id get it if it was taking elo from people

[@RubixNinja]

How is a speedrun, specifically, an education video? By definition, a speedrun is a challenge. You can try to be be educational while you are doing it, but that is not the role of a speedrun. He probably should definitely not be using an engine in a speedrun. There was a older GM who got in trouble for this as well. He was teaching a class in chess, and playing games, students would call out moves and he would tell them if they were good or not. Without him knowing, one of the students was using an engine, and he got flagged for cheating. Just because something is educational, doesn't mean it is not cheating.

[@loulasher]

I'm glad to hear Danya's explanation of it. Speed runs are not competetive chess, and while I don't think online chess should be taken seriously, its ridiculous to use what he does in speed runs as having any implications on his titled tuesday games.

[@peterparker0999]

​@@RubixNinjaspeedrun is just a "cool" title. He mentioned often within videos that the goal is not to really speedrun chess but to show fundamentals in every ELO group.

[@litteleven7257]

can we watch the original video, he used the engine to look at a past position while up decisive material; kramnik behaves like he used it on the current position and needed the engine to beat a 1100 player when danya's looking at a different position to maximize its instructive value.

[@zac6680]

“The device will move from the wall to my ass” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ConfidenceGold]

Kramnik is a put his name deeply into dirt. And any of his offensive actions will put himself even deeper

[@Cazeduardofr]

Sometimes I catch myself thinking "That guy really is a world champion?"

[@kaoushikmazumder4350]

Kramnik needed to be confronted long time ago, a madman harming everyone's reputation!! Danya just do it more harshly next time

[@zamzamxiv]

It’s not actually ruining anyone’s reputation though is it? Just bc we’re all talking about it, I don’t think anyone is actually cancelling danya, he’s not losing sponsors, no repercussions. At this point it seems it’s only doing the inverse of ruining people’s rep, and now it’s just ruining kramniks own reputation every time he opens his mouth. Like no one is actually taking his words into serious consideration, we’re all just laughing at his mental deterioration

[@ThorfinnBus]

​@@zamzamxivSo many fans easily swindle. You clearly havent seen them if you say that

[@zamzamxiv]

@@ThorfinnBus yeah forsure I have not seen much, and I imagine they’re in the fringes or just opportunistic trolls

[@bleekcer]

@@zamzamxiv Except Nepo of course, which is a huge disappointment, and probably all the Russians thinking "Russian Kramnik good, anybody from the west evil".

[@frottery]

the problem with the speedrun engine analysis is that it proves that he has the setup where he can play a game and make moves with an engine analyzing it in real time. that's a much deeper issue than simply "using an engine" as it calls into question every game that was ever played online.

[@sayso2135]

1:20 "Dropped below 2700 recently" I love the shade lol. I think a bit of pettiness is warranted

[@oguzhanyldz5634]

Who is the other gm naroditsky mentioning?

[@mobin5353]

​@@oguzhanyldz5634probably artemiev

[@RG001100]

@@oguzhanyldz5634 Sergey Karjakin.

[@myaccount0000]

Your edits carry a lot of emotion and energy, good job

[@YLLIEEGD]

its crazy that he even has to record this

[@GirlGeekLovesStampin]

It seems that Kramnik has no clue about speed runs. Everyone is reimbursed rating points and you don't need an engine to beat a 1100 player - that's just hilarious!

[@KlowdStr1fe]

I've always liked Danya from a distance as a fan of Chess, now I love Danya for standing up to what is essentially Chess bullying.

[@ryanpendlebury967]

It really is disheartening to see Kramnik behave this way. Prior to his bombardment of accusations he was constantly praised as one of the best positional players to ever grace the game. People may have jokingly poked fun at him for repopularizing the Berlin defence but nobody used it to Kramnik's detriment. Danya's content is among the best free content of anyone in the Chess community and Kramnik's targeting has been so shameful to watch

[@stepheninderlied5091]

I've learned a ton from watching danyas speedruns. I imagine it's super helpful to new players... the problem with high level theory is that it only analyzes like the best responses for the 4 top moves in any specific opening... This is great when your opponents are choosing one of the 4 best moves that you have memorized all the responses to..... when you are in elo hell and trying to climb out...hardly anyone is choosing best moves in any situation. That's where the speedruns in specific elo are extremely helpful because the bad moves are not necessarily, obviously, bad moves... it really helps with learning how to punish bad moves and helps with the responses so common moves at lower elo.

[@alessandrodellacorte9926]

The thing during the speed run was NOT cheating. it was violation of the rules, sure. But NOT cheating, because you SAID you were looking at the engine, you didn't want to cheat anybody.

[@johanliebert5781]

I was just thinking about it, that someone can make a compilation of Nepo and Kramnik looking to the side, because literally almost everyone does that while thinking.

[@black_squall]

Kramnik is infuriating. Why someone in his position would want to torch his own reputation is beyond me. Danya consulting the engine during the educational speedrun was a bit of a misstep (mainly for optics) but to somehow tie that into his normal matches and use that as evidence that he coudl be cheating is laughable.

[@davidfrommert8517]

He is using an engine while playing. That is called cheating.

[@black_squall]

​@@davidfrommert8517 You can dislike it fine but it has nothing to do with his other games.

[@methatis3013]

Thing is, this never hapenned. ONCE he turned on the analysis at a pretty much +20 position, expecting his opponent to soon resign so he can instantly get into analyzing the game for the viewers. And he acknowledged it and apologised for it in the VERY NEXT speedrun video. He never opened an engine to analyze the position that was occuring at the moment to deduce the best move. Saying this was actual cheating is ridiculous

[@black_squall]

@@methatis3013 Just shows what a bad faith person Kramnik is.

[@dangallagher6176]

Pathetic is the most appropriate word i could give to Kramnik. How far he has fallen.

[@nicolatomasi8221]

pathetic for what? showing clear evidence of danya cheating?

[@dche64]

Yep, it is pathetic, or deliberately malicious. Difficult to say.

[@dangallagher6176]

@@nicolatomasi8221 Spoken like you haven't watched the video lmao. If Kramnik managed to convince you, you're extremely gullible

[@nicolatomasi8221]

@@dangallagher6176 are you sure im the gullible? i honestly think its you who believes in "justice" voice and excuses after proofs of him checking engine mid game. You're just easy to manipulate that's all

[@dangallagher6176]

@@nicolatomasi8221 Yes I'm 100% sure you are gullible. If you took the time to investigate further, you would realise he is analysing past moves in the game with the engine, not using it to provide him with moves for the live game. Is it against the rules? Technically, yes. But is it cheating? No.

[@sebastiandierks7919]

I mean you just have to read a single tweet like at 1:11 to know how much of a conspiracy theorist Kramnik is. Poor Danya, and all the others, for having to deal with these accusations. I wish Kramnik would just shut up. It was a great response from Danya I have to say.

[@junaubomber6977]

16:58 We call this the Niemann transposition

[@JoopvanBuren]

That edit caught me off guard 😂

[@Devilfish6666]

Made my day!

[@matthewbrice737]

Kramnik is nuts. Danya could beat an 1100 while falling down drunk and give away his Queen and still crush him without the engine. Danya is well, well known as an educational streamer. I have watched many. Insane to say it’s a pattern of cheating. It is beyond absurd. And the “just asking questions” is a b.s. cover. He’s accusing.

[@ChessHistorian]

Saccades. Even in a video from a compilation channel even just FEATURING Danya talking about his MONITOR SETUP, I learn new words. My sensei 🤩

[@ChessHistorian]

4:53

[@ChessHistorian]

MENDACITY 7:52

[@TightKnights]

lol ngl I had to Google it too

[@kitamashi]

true this video was very good to learn english. I also learned "mendacity"

[@tylerharrington4515]

"How do you know you're not a witch if you don't know the definition of a witch?" HAHAHAHA, Thank you Danya

[@trixmtll1393]

the lesson for everyone watching. never let your accuser have authority over you. it will never cease. tell them to Eff right off, and if they keep insisting, get them for harassment or defamation. asking a question one time is fine and dandy. insisting and harassing and demanding arent a thing, unless you allow someone to do so to you.

[@paradaronda8735]

Bravo amazing video! People must spread this around the GM circle!

[@ka.2917]

kramnik's such a joke

[@macleadg]

And Nepo is the punchline.

[@whitewhite5077]

tbf I think he is just super paranoid which is a valid mental health issue and he needs to get help with that. what I don't get is nepo and these other GMs jumping on the bandwagon of hating on players like danya

[@emissarygw2264]

@@whitewhite5077 It's not even a mental health issue, it's just the same thing as people who believe the opposing political party only ever does evil things, while their own political party is always a paragon of virtue. Happens with anyone, but often gets worse with age.

[@opopera]

the fact that danya has to explain how monitors work, and how chess players look around while playing is insane to me 😭

[@psybranet]

We need someone to start accusing Kramnik of cheating, pronto. Its about time.

[@SachaAlary]

I agree

[@Aeistheticism]

No, do not stoop down to his level. The best you can do is call him out on his bullshit.

[@eclipse1161]

It’ll probably have the opposite effect. Help him keep constructing the narrative that he is being targeted and that the chess fanbase is stupid, etc… The problem with Kramnik is that it’ll always be a losing game.

[@psybranet]

@@eclipse1161 Quite plausible. Lose lose scenario

[@leslieaw2576]

An even better way to deal with such jokers like Kramnik would be for all the lower-elo players who play him (past and future) in any event to broadcast their victories or draws against Kramnik (since he is guaranteed to call them cheaters and report them whenever the result does not favour him), and send Kramnik a link of those glory moments as a reminder not to simply accuse other people of cheating. Imagine the superstar of Toiletgate trying to call anyone else a cheat. WTF.

[@wlzy]

When Hikaru's editor started including engine evaluation in his videos, Vlad argued it was not edited, that Hikaru could see it during the games. How can people still take his sociopathic accusations serious?

[@itnefer4787]

Frankly, it's embarrassing that Daniel feels the need to go to such lengths to fight the modern troll that Kramnik is. To put it bluntly, Kramnik wanks once each time he accuses anyone, and twice when they respond. This guy has the mentality of a rat who enjoys mud-slinging and his calm demeanor while accusing others of lying and cheating is somewhat psychopathic. There are two things that should be done: Kramnik needs to be ostracized by the chess community and Daniel should accuse him of libel and sue him. He's a russian so they will never meet in a civilized country's court but the former might get him good.

[@cattycats4]

Kramniks tunnel vision does go borderline psychopathic, of course he isnt one, hes a typical case of aspergers combined with a lot of paranoia amassed over the years, real psychopaths are usually quite jovial, always selfish and egotistical and they "literally dont care" because they dont have the capacity to. The sad thing is that every time Kramnik accuses someone of cheating when its clearly nonsense he is giving himself quite a lot of anxiety to deal with and it will eventually consume him into depression or even exposing a player as a cheat and then being told that player is himself

[@petrvaclavek3605]

I'm glad Danya is so well spoken, allowing him to point out the ridiculousness of Kramniks claims. Even though it's obvious to many, it still makes me feel sorry for people who wouldn't be capable of defending themselves this well.

[@loucksyy]

6:35 actually has me dying lmfao "what can be to the right I don't understand"

[@pedrosorio9]

I burst out laughing when that scene came up lol

[@greq1337]

Thanks you for covering this

[@Punklorde_Mentality]

I'm so impressed at how well Danya articulates himself even when he's being accused of very serious crimes which are completely ridiculous hallucinations by Kramnik.

[@JawOT]

Excellent, professional, and precise.

[@mime4331]

The fact that Danny is FORCED by Kramnik to prove that he is innocent. I wouldn't even bother and say "Kramnik GFY"

[@ronald3836]

But he admits that he is guilty of violating the rules. He is running an engine while playing, at least sometimes. The fact HE does not think this is wrong makes it even more problematic.

[@bullymaguire8266]

I have listened to danyas commentary and educational stuff since a while. And even if he is wrong in the slightest, I'd rather say kramnik go fuck yourself​@@ronald3836

[@jovianarsenic6893]

@@ronald3836in games where the elo will be given back? He mentions talking to reich to let him do it as well. This is a stretch

[@ronald3836]

@@jovianarsenic6893 Cheating is cheating. If you beat Carlsen online "but he gets his Elo back", it is still cheating. You are not being fair to your opponent. And just the fact that he cheated that time suggests he will have cheated at other times. He has everything set up.

[@Devilfish6666]

Which is exactly what Hikaru did. One of the greatest quotes of all time I have to say:)

[@techbeef]

Kramnik is worthless stop giving him screen time.

[@cyanidecologne9018]

But its really funny

[@koljakrassotkin4938]

Why would the previous world champion of this game who dedicated his whole life to it and just showed that Naroditsky was having the engine on during an online game be "worthless"?

[@techbeef]

@@koljakrassotkin4938 he didn't show shit is a witch hunt. He's worthless because he's wasting his legacy on this bullshit

[@techbeef]

@@koljakrassotkin4938 because his entire legacy will be remembered as witch hunting other great players just because he's bored and lonely. He's proven nothing, nothing will satiate him, He's just going to keep targeting different people. And honestly it's a bad look for the Russians like you all could just get better at chess instead of trying to claim all these other people are cheating because there's no way they could be better than you.

[@vibhorpathak6342]

Kramnik in the chess world is like russian KGB without the assassinations 😂

[@cyanidecologne9018]

Stasinik

[@adamzbb7619]

Sounds a lot like Kramnik's been given KGB/FSB training. This is all familiar techniques with all the "just asking questions", gaslighting, etc. Seems a lot like Kramik's got an assignment to sow discord by his mafia state.

[@Paradoxwhirl]

Exactly. People think Kramnik has lost his mind but in reality he's just using the age old Russian propaganda by sowing the seeds of doubt and mistrust against the West. He's a Russian spy and should be treated as such. There is a picture somewhere on the internet with him and Putin which says it all.

[@methatis3013]

Man, this has nothing to do with KGB, let's not get ridiculous. It's called being passive agressive lmao

[@adamzbb7619]

@@methatis3013 Russian federation announcing that all critical western players should give back their earnings from tournaments played in Russia (sep 24), Kramnik, Karjakin and now Nepo going full-blown aggressive on US players sounds very much like something that smells cold-war era KGB subversion.

[@fikks7106]

Man, honestly props to Kramnik for making one of the most boring sports into a circus. Truly one of a character

[@VARMOT123]

It is not boring for anyone with half a brain or anyone to root for . Blitz chess is super exciting . Far more than most sports

[@SachaAlary]

😅😅😅Its fuckin sad👎👎👎😟😟😟😟😟😥😥😥

[@sub-harmonik]

kramnik out here playing 4D chess creating chess interest/content

[@anthonym1880]

-not boring -don't encourage slander and attacks on people's character

[@fikks7106]

@@anthonym1880 Tell your second point to Kramnik

[@pietervandermerwe6833]

Serious question: Do you think Russians understand that Western people believe one is innocent until proven guilty, and to make accusations is actually frowned upon? I remember in Apartheid South Africa it was believed that it was right that someone is guilty until proven innocent. These are 2 opposite world views that clash and might account for the irritation that Kramnik"s accusations cause in Danya. I, personally also find his accusations irritating. Mainly because he has no evidence, but then proceeds to claim that it IS evidence. Conjecture is not evidence. He says for example that it is the "very definition of cheating", when in fact it is merely the idea that cheating might be possible.

[@giulianoroberti2584]

Maybe Kramnik doesn't understand certain "western concepts" and his English is not that great. OK. Doesn't change the fact that he has masterfully demonstrated that Danya is cheating regularly, both in speedruns, casual play, and online tournament play

[@pietervandermerwe6833]

@giulianoroberti2584 Has he demonstrated it? Maybe I missed something? Where?

[@Chunes3]

My advice to anyone being falsely accused: don't try to address the specifics of whatever they say you're doing. They're dragging you down to their level when you do that. The best approach is to brush it off as absurd with a laugh. Or to get very pissed off. Either way, don't let them bait you into a tit-for-tat.

[@Betweentwogames]

Subbed and will watch any content you release.

[@steevesisgod]

Did kramnik ever explain what happened in 2006 where he was accused of cheating? Kramnik and hanns are the perfect power couple

[@cvyrtik1]

WC Vlad was hiding in the toilette during world championship match, and now he is on a crus ade against cheaters, tragic

[@joshuabgambrell]

I would LOVE to see another Danya interview with Hans after all of this.

[@jkimgt]

all that should be reply to any Kramnik's acusation has been said by GM Nakamura already: "shut up crazy man you dont know what your talkim about".

[@airhead1223]

“To my ass” -inserts a pic of Hans 😂😂😂 dyiiiing bro

[@alienglad]

Kramnik and Niemann are the biggest clowns in the chess scene... perfect match 🤡

[@dessertstorm7476]

Having an engine open during a game is never a good look. It not only is against rules it shows you have the capacity to cheat. I play online and I do not have this setup nor do I know how to set it up. I don't think Daniel is a cheat but this is a really naive situation to get into

[@mattivirolainen6102]

Kramnik must know how many crazies will go harassing Danya when he "asks questions". Is he doing that on purpose? Just asking questions.

[@AxisofHonor25]

Thanks for the upload. It’s sad to see that Danya essentially had to defend his integrity even though he’s a well established grandmaster and chess instructor. Also, just because he’s GM, doesn’t mean that moves are obvious and don’t necessitate the use of an engine in an amateur game post analysis. The moves he plays are still human. His speed runs are bar none the most informative out there. As someone who has followed his speed runs, I have seen several times where’s gotten himself into worse positions against “amateur” players and has had to work himself out of trouble. I put that in quotations because I don’t think Vlad realizes how strong some of these players really are and he discredits them as “weak” players. The theory and access to content such as Danya’s has exponentially increased the skills of modern chess players, so I’m not surprised in the slightest that he has played some good opponents. The only thing these accusations do is paint Kramnik as someone who is jealous that he doesn’t get the same attention or opportunities as someone such as Danya to conduct speed runs or gets sponsorships from top chess sites, or an ill-fated attempt to vindicate his own and Hans’ proven cheating.

[@yoghurt3643]

I think Kramnik is just jealous. In his time he had to go to toilet for cheating. Little bit of projection going on here, Mr. Kramnik?

[@cyanidecologne9018]

Back in my day we had to eat laxatives and use a secret pager from the KGB to cheat! kids these days just have to look to the left

[@bleekcer]

Exactly my thoughts!

[@sourandbitter3062]

Kramnik ought to see a psychiatrist, he's overdue. I predict some psychiatrist youtuber will be making a video on his case once the "controversy" (the correct word could be tantrum, he's the only one misbeahaving while Danya stays very calm) escapes from the world of chess to the general public. He must have a narcissist complex or something. Does he have children? I hope the fuck not.

[@sourandbitter3062]

It will end slowly when Kramnik eventually says "What, you're still talking about this situation?? Do you think you're that important? Remember I never accused you, I was only asking questions anyways. You're the one being dishonest, you are fragile like a child. It's time for you to move on like I already did.". It would be so easy to simply apologize and say you went too far. Danya is a freaking gentlemen, I'm sure he'd give him an opportunity to move on from this with dignity.

[@pinklemonade8320]

He has a kid, yeah. He also strikes me as narcissistic, and I don't throw around that word lightly. I've had personal experience with people like this

[@chadplaysfifa2363]

"Saving private Danya"!! really. Kramnik is crazy.

[@ramonsims5065]

Awesome video 👏

[@bunkerputt]

It's simple. Put a camera behind you too on stream, play 100 games, compare rating. Call it the "Soviet Kramnik Cam"

[@nicolatomasi8221]

do you even need proof? he looks at the engine mid game and openly admits it, and from the reflection of the library a window pops up several times at which he always looks up to.Use your brain

[@cyanidecologne9018]

See how he focuses? He's feeling the vibrations from sockfish. Clearly cheating. Time to initiate the procedure

[@nicolatomasi8221]

@@cyanidecologne9018 youre so delusional 🤣🤣 keep glazing ret4rded

[@GLOKD]

None of the "evidence" Kramnik presents is conclusive or compelling. Saying Danya is looking at an engine if his eyes happen to dart across the room... making reference to an easily winning instructional game vs an 1100... citing "farmed" tournaments when Danya plays these unrated too. It's half-truth and insinuation in lieu of hard-evidence and it's really unpleasant to witness it. Aside from the flimsiness of these claims, Danya is a class act in the chess world and I know - deep in my bones - that this guy is totally incapable of cheating.

[@tux1968]

I was 100% on Daniel's side before watching this video. But Daniel using an engine while playing, which he freely admits he did, IS cheating. His explanation about why it was okay, does not make it right. Even though he wasn't trying to hide it, because he thought it was okay, he was wrong. It's not okay to use an engine while you play games on the chess site. Even unrated, educational games. Daniel deserves to be sanctioned for this. I hate to say this, but Kramnik has a point.

[@Noob.Anonymous]

I have not watched the video yet , but if someone is playing unrated chess whats the problem with using engines. I know it may ruin experience for other person but beside that there is nothing wrong .

[@Madinko12]

​​@@Noob.Anonymouswhat's the problem cheating in casual games you ask? Well… Chess is lost I guess.

[@Noob.Anonymous]

@@Madinko12 no , i am talking about using engine, okay u can call it cheating as well, but it is also used to train [ yes while playing ] though i agree he should not do it with people online who dont know he is using engine, but yeah u can use for learning purpose , ( while playing the game ) and its not a tournament so it s not really cheating , its practice.

[@Madinko12]

@@Noob.Anonymous "you can use an engine while playing the game so long as [insert a completely ad-hoc excuse here]"… I heard the same kind of argument to defend Carslen when he cheated against Danya in a prize-pooled tournament on Lichess a few years ago. It's not okay to open a chess engine (through a setup that allows you to instantly open a chess engine on a given game) during any chess game whatsoever, because it is against the rules of chess. Or else don't play chess, play the "chess but your opponent can open the engine the moment they assume their position is winning" variant.

[@Noob.Anonymous]

@@Madinko12 do u have comprehension problem?the magnus game was a prize pool , thats cheating if the guy used it there , i am not defending that thing ,read my comment again .

[@ejcold1467]

i remember seeing a video of kramnik losing to someone, and he pulled up the accuracy. kramnik-90% opponent-89% (iirc) and kramnik said “i mean what can you do when they play at 89% accuracy”

[@rumikotadia5928]

when did all of this happen?

[@AthosRac]

Last 3 days....

[@raimus4342]

Danyas response was today, but Kramnik has been hounding him for a month+ now

[@Aeistheticism]

The stream when Danya addressed all of this happened ~18 hours ago.

[@The4BsPodcast]

Daniel did admit using an engine mid game and is caught on video doing that, that is cheating and it is very suspect - vlad does have a point

[@eltoxa7554]

your channel is doing things that no one does in the world of chess, thanks for that

[@griffenalexander5597]

Danya, you are logical, well spoken, and empathetic in all of this. I haven’t felt the need to comment on this stuff before because I believed it to be so clear that Vlad has just lost his capacity for rational thought, but this is clearly not obvious for everyone. I must write this now to emphasise that the vast majority of us support you, try not to let the troglodytes take up too much head space.

[@michailangelo]

That's so bloody uncalled-for by Kramnik. He believes he's doing something for a noble cause like anti-cheating but at this point he just defames people.

[@daviskane7904]

Danya is such a standup guy. Excellent rebuttal! Kramnik is really just a pitiful old man at this point. Cheating is a problem in chess, but to levy such weak accusations against one of the greatest chess educators in the world, someone who's given so much to the chess community both off and online, is absolutely slanderous and disgusting. Danya, keep your head up man. I know 99.9% of us know who you are and what you're made of. It's the best stuff. Thank you for all you have done and will continue to do and contribute to the game of chess.

[@areheptus6566]

Who dropped below 2700? Please tell

[@AmanYadav-un9bn]

Vladislav Artemiev

[@areheptus6566]

@@AmanYadav-un9bn but he is 2701 currently

[@RG001100]

@@areheptus6566 Karjakin’d blitz recently dropped below 2700.

[@tongpoo8985]

dubov

[@christopherbailey7225]

I don't understand why anyone cares what Kramnik says or thinks anymore? He's lost the thread and "un"accuses people over and over again. In that vein, I'm not saying that Kramnik has lost his game and can no longer compete with top players, I'm just saying that it's interesting that he spends all his time accusing people of cheating instead of playing. I'm not saying that he's ever cheated himself, I'm just saying that it's odd that he's spending so much time defending people like Hans Niemann and accusing everyone else of being a cheater. I'm not saying that Kramnik thinks the world is flat and shaped like a chess board, I'm just saying that he's never admitted that the world is round.