Never have I read a sentence so perfectly descriptive of a person than this
@KokkeliMonke13113 жыл бұрын
ITS F*CKING RAAAAW
@indrickboreale73813 жыл бұрын
@@KokkeliMonke1311 IT'S F*CKING MEELE INFANTRY!
@victuz3 жыл бұрын
@@indrickboreale7381 Imao I hope CA tone down ranged or address melee in WH3.
@indrickboreale73813 жыл бұрын
@@victuz I hope more for cavarly buff
@Witch_King3 жыл бұрын
I used Dark Riders twice in the defensive battles. In the first one they lost to Skaven slaves, the second they lost to dire wolves
@alexeyalexandrov75833 жыл бұрын
Once I charged them into backs of beaten Swordmasters of Hoeth (they had ~50% health left) and they got 1 kill
@UnreasonableOpinions3 жыл бұрын
Dark Riders have their uses, but on any difficulty above Normal the CPU stat bonuses render them ineffective at actual combat. When you have to use them in defensive garissons, you can get value out of them by harassing the enemy without making contact, which often splits up the enemy army so you can defeat in detail.
@sassyviking60033 жыл бұрын
Really? I never recruit them, but many times I have used dark riglders to excelent effect while defending, since garrisons have them. They are quite fast and pack just enough punch to really effectively handle range units or rear charge the enemy line. I play on normal battles though, so that may be why. I have no desire to play where balance is juat thrown out the window and the enemy gets insane buffs for no reason. It just doesn't sound fun to me.
@MatteV23 жыл бұрын
Cav is fucked in TWW at the moment.
@lordmaur1803 жыл бұрын
I lost mines to high elf archers in meele, charging them in the back at full speed, you look arround for 5 secconds andddd it is gone
@travislankford92543 жыл бұрын
The man gives the people what they want. I really appreciate the thought and explanation behind these videos. Such dense (through all of your play time) material but conveyed in a straightforward manner. Nuance is there when needed but you cut through the chaff which is nice. Keep up the great work, fucker.
@eshitvaprakash66813 жыл бұрын
The ending got me so good man
@gr8oone0073 жыл бұрын
"Harpies, TRASH, do I really need to get into it? No? Okay let's move on." Legend is the perfect balance of information and entertainment lol
@DaveOh3 жыл бұрын
Well said lol especially that last bit
@damienreilly43473 жыл бұрын
The biggest kiss arse comment ive ever seen hahaha
@travislankford92543 жыл бұрын
@@damienreilly4347 I can see why you say that. But as someone who is borderline suicidal because of my insane job requirements as a teacher (even more insane this year), it came from a genuine place. But yes, still definitely kiss arse. Cheers fuckers.
@ktvindicare3 жыл бұрын
I feel like The Empire would be the most interesting tier list because their armies demand versatility and unit cooperation. Very few units can be doomstacked most will fall in the A-C range.
@ThePenitentSquirrel3 жыл бұрын
Like in the tabletop, Empire is "Jack of all trades, master of none" and might be the most balanced race in the game. It's actually pretty neat, now if we could only do something about those campaign mechanics
@RubberDildoFromHell3 жыл бұрын
I second this.
@kVendett3 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%
@JB-xl2jc3 жыл бұрын
19 hellstorm rocket batteries say what?
@MsPysoul3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePenitentSquirrel might I introduce you to a hellstorm battery doomstack?
@MiniaAr3 жыл бұрын
I must say I really like the tier list format, much more than the "top 5". It goes much more in depth with pros & cons for each unit compared to only pros or only cons of the "top/bottom 5" list. It's exhaustive so you're not missing the unit of which you want to have your opinion on. And finally it seems that you're enjoying them more which (maybe I'm wrong though). Just waiting for the tier list for my Lizardbois when all the feral units are going to be trashed while I'm in the middle of a Nakai "Kroxigors + Feral dinos army" campaign. :p
@anonymous_coward3 жыл бұрын
For the Medusas, both variants, you should have also taken into consideration settlement buildings since I think they are a tier lower and you are going to build the sorcery chain for increased hero capacity anyway. I'd still rank the Medusas the way they were here since they take too long to recruit, the settlements you can recruit them at are out of the way, and they don't support your damage dealing units very well. I'd like to see a Lizardmen tier list too.
@mrswb3 жыл бұрын
Morathi gets the first sorcery building at tier 3, so the medusas are a bit more viable with her
@TheGreaterGrog3 жыл бұрын
Supposedly the Medusa got a projectile upgrade in the last patch so that they can fire over melee troops, but still shoot their usual fast projectile when not obstructed. They completely wreck infantry units in melee clumps and have a much easier time getting those shots now. The Shrine tends to get stuck in melee and its ranged attack has a minimum arming distance so it is much harder to use.
@barbute36843 жыл бұрын
Manticores are entirely disposable, 1 turn recruit time means you can just throw 19 manticores at a problem and do at all over again next turn. Also costs peanuts in an black ark.
@spudastic3 жыл бұрын
i feel like flying monsters in general deserve a shit ton of asterisks because they make current siege battles all the bit more bearable
@Daniel_deez_nutz3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I only use them as a way to have a cheap siege attacker and if I don't have a bolt thrower.
@CornRecords9723 жыл бұрын
Yeah I get a hoard of manticores or vargheists and just hurl them at the archers. It's like a fire and forget missile. If they live? Cool. If they die? Who cares. They kill off the archers well and they're cheap.
@michael141953 жыл бұрын
I play at hard battle difficulty, and at hard battle difficulty I can throw a manticore at a hellcannon, forget about it, and the manticore will probably win. Even if it doesn't, who cares? Really convenient against Chaos Invasions.
@IAmebAdger3 жыл бұрын
Well idk about getting 19, but yeah they have a place. Darkshards are just so good I often forget to recruit anything else
@denistannenberg3 жыл бұрын
Lizardmen would definetly be great for the next tier list. Also can't wait for the beastmen if we ever get one
@spudastic3 жыл бұрын
theres no doubt with beastmen minotaurs is the doomstack
@luxie80973 жыл бұрын
Malagor is the doomstack
@florians99493 жыл бұрын
I’m waiting for the Norsca episode. Watching legend demolishing their roster and only filling up trash.
@HeavyMetalGamingHD3 жыл бұрын
It almost feels like, that legend felt insulted on a personal level by the awfulness of those trash units.
@bullronin13 жыл бұрын
"If I rate a particular unit as trash, it doesn't mean it's a weak unit, or it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad." BuT LegeNd, BleakSwOrds aRe my FavoRiTe uNit! Thanks for another great tier list
@canadianeh47923 жыл бұрын
Harpy doomstack!
@johgekpoint62993 жыл бұрын
@@canadianeh4792 contact okoii
@Croltown3 жыл бұрын
@ikit taylor it means it's Garbage, :D
@retroplayer563 жыл бұрын
You’re literally crying about a made up scenario!!🤣🤣🤣
@Croltown3 жыл бұрын
@@retroplayer56 huh
@torquevonthorne9483 жыл бұрын
Witch elves are recruited at tier 2 when playing as Cult of pleasure and since they need to build the Cultist gathering chain (public order/chaos corruption) building in every province they are B tier whie playing that faction Also with CoP medusae are tier 3, so player can spam those in early game and do well
@Ebb0Productions3 жыл бұрын
Witch elves are A tier in hellebron's army ;) Legend is using an Admiral to show the tiers, which is different than settlements. It's for all the Dark Elf factions. Witch elves tier 2, snake ladies tier 3.
@Grz3493 жыл бұрын
Also with Medusa you want the building for the hero and research. Plus the first settlements building is built at tier 3.
@Mythralblade043 жыл бұрын
Yea, I'd put Medusae at A tier just for that reason - yer ALWAYS gonna spam their building (more so than shades) and they're tier 3 in major settlements. Harder from black arks, so I do see where Legend's coming from though.
@tomselleck69123 жыл бұрын
They also cause rampage, so even if they suck at fighting they can force lords and other high value targets to stand their ground while you shoot them down.
@torquevonthorne9483 жыл бұрын
@@Mythralblade04 Also they are fast enough to retreat and keep firing, to chose their fights and disengage combat.
@jonathanjones98333 жыл бұрын
Think we could get a trait tier list ? Like knowledgeable and such
@Arthur-yq5dx3 жыл бұрын
I think that would be hard to do in tierlist because there is no picture for traits
@cashewsinacup24383 жыл бұрын
It may be different for different races, eg Skagen like the cunning trait but other factions probs don't really want it
@yeeyee50573 жыл бұрын
Maybe race unique traits? So he can rank them base on their usefulness to the Faction.
@shift_2933 жыл бұрын
It would have to be by race and it would be a very long and time consuming list to create but it would definitely be useful
@ThePenitentSquirrel3 жыл бұрын
It would be kind of hard because of race-only traits like Nurgles Foul Stink or Dread Incarnate that basically make you auto-win when stacked. I suppose Disciplined is the only A-tier trait that every race has access to and if you discount the Dwarfs it would be Knowledgeable. Unfortunately, after those two the pickings are rather slim with only minor upgrades like +5 Leadership or +10% movement, etc.
@groovea1003 жыл бұрын
With Dark Elves as my favourite campaign race to play, I feel like their cav is just absolutely useless, which is so annoying against high elves and lizardmen, their main opponents in campaign. Idk to be honest since my playstyle is very aggressive as I was originally a chaos/beastmen player.
@DeadEndGoose3 жыл бұрын
I’ve used a unit of shard cavalry here and there to success. They’re useful to pull Agro, kite, and all can run down artillery in melee. Obviously my opinion(tm), it’s more how this game works rather than the cav being good
@davidburton96903 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can usually overpower lizardmen, but vanilla low tier fighting is where I struggle more. Melee, and the high elf spears just seem to stand up to a lot of punishment. I probably just suck.
@stimulanttree3 жыл бұрын
I dont even recruit cav against high elves since even their archers even have spears. But i have a lot of success using cold one knights to counter lizardmen cav or do some hit and run damage to dinos because of their anti large, also dread knights will rip up skink lines or rear charged saurus. Cold ones also are good for screening kroxigors before they can reach your infantry. Dark riders suck though
@ChadtronicFan2 жыл бұрын
Cold One knights, both regular and dread, are pretty bad. Dark Riders are pretty bad. I've never used Doomfire Warlocks. But Crossbow Dark Riders are pretty damn good skirmishing cavalry.
@pierrejayer28263 жыл бұрын
Hello, as a player who have a lot of difficulties with the questions "which buildings to build in priority?" and "how to build my army for this race?", your tiers lists help me a lot and allow me to approach campaigns more serenely ! So, a big thank you to you ;)
@BunnyLove0073 жыл бұрын
Loving this Tier List videos from someone with so much context about the game!
@AGreen-dg5jb3 жыл бұрын
Keep the Tier Lists coming! Very effective for High Elves, and as a HE beginner, I found a ton of value in your rankings and frequently referenced your rubric. Greenskins, pretty please... *crosses fingers*
@TeaserTravlein3 жыл бұрын
UwU
@easytanksgaming32383 жыл бұрын
Dont forget that this tierlist is for very hard battle difficulties. So all of melee infantry would suck whatever u do, no chances. But! In normal battle difficulties (which I think is more enjoyable) elite infantry can do real shit. Swordsmasters of hoeth would deal really good (and glorious, goddamn beautiful) work against other melee factions like vampires, norsca, orcs and others - for example ;)
@brillbobaggins2773 жыл бұрын
You can really feel Legends love towards the Cold Ones
@tamasdemeny3 жыл бұрын
Love the tier list videos. But a quick recomendation, when you compare two units like you did with the chariots, do it in the recruitment tab so you can pin them and see the difference in stats. If you want of course. Have a nice day :)
@Thrax13 жыл бұрын
Like this series. Do Lizards next! Much needed, especially after recent DLC.
@Ebb0Productions3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Remember than Admiral recruit tiers are different than Settlement tiers. For example Witch Elves are actually tier 2, and regular Medusae are tier 3.
@Lumen_Obscurum3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a Lizardmen tier list, particularly to hear if anything has changed in your rating after the changes that came with Oxy. Particularly the shifting of dinosaur units around the build tiers.
@jessblues8483 жыл бұрын
Hey Legend, I think you would benefit by adding an "unrecruitable" tier for units that you personally think are good but never recruit because of their associated building. You've mentioned before that if you capture a settlement that has one of those buildings, recruiting them is fine.
@TheSinicus3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with the tier list, with one small detail. I wouldn't put Dark Riders (shielded, unshielded) at thrash. I mean, yeah, they're trash BUT they're T2 unit with very high speed. When I'm going for a missile army (and I usually do), I tend to get 1 or 2 units of dark riders. And their role is not to deal damage, but to split huge enemy armies. The AI is dumb and when you flank with fast cav, it sends units after them even if they can't catch them. So the Dark Riders split the army, the Darkshard deal with the main force, while 4 or more units chase around the Dark Riders. In most cases, it's not really necessary, but with large armies or garrison sallying out, this can really make a difference and 2 units of Dark Raiders are better than 2 units of Darkshards.
@sympunny86363 жыл бұрын
honestly I prefer scourgerunners or the dark riders for crossbows for this. Scourgerunner in particular are great, because they can fire while moving so deal damage even while baiting the army away.
@mikaamann013 жыл бұрын
This! I usually use one of them to scatter archers in skirmish mode so they cant shoot my units. Dont know if thats a thing in higher difficulties tho. Besides that they are really Bad imo
@alexeyalexandrov75833 жыл бұрын
>when you flank with fast cav, it sends units after them even if they can't catch them Interesting trick. Why not Doomfire Warlocks or Scourgerunners then? Difference between T2 and T3 is very small and they both are way better than Dark Riders.
@TotalWarChronicles3 жыл бұрын
Its always funny how Legend is suprised people think highly of his opinions. People are tuning in because of all of your knowledge!!
@Regnier5753 жыл бұрын
Oh definitely. I wouldn't be anywhere at the level I am now if it wasn't for Legend. I've gone from barely scraping by in normal difficulty with balanced armies to playing fairly comfortably in VH/VH with a variety of factions and races.
@sangvinhun3 жыл бұрын
legend is knowledgeable, +5 winds
@xensan763 жыл бұрын
Some people are seriously into "staunch line of spears" and can get quite heated about it
@JB-xl2jc3 жыл бұрын
@@Regnier575 His siege "cheese" (feel weird calling it a cheese because it just seems sensible to remove the enemy towers, and selectively take out ranged before raining death on them.... but I guess it's cheesy to abuse AI passivity) made me a way more competent player by itself.
@Regnier5753 жыл бұрын
@@JB-xl2jc Yes same! And just generally wasting their ammo in most battles helped too. People can give Legend shit all they want but he's entertaining and has helped far more people than any haters.
@ytshotmaker3 жыл бұрын
I think this is your best video series, you do this very well Would love to see this tier list for every faction and also heroes/normal lords at some point
@robglenn48443 жыл бұрын
On tabletop the Kharibdyss actually heals itself as well, in a vampiric sort of way by dealing damage (basically eating their victims). Disappointed it doesn't work like that in Total War.
@leonfriedemann91512 жыл бұрын
I actually hoped they would make it a tier 5 unit with better abilitys like it has in lore/possibly tabletop
@SGProductions8711 ай бұрын
So they should have The Hunger?
@varo21223 жыл бұрын
Cold one knights and dread knights forego EVERYTHING that makes the Doomfire Warlocks (and any decent cavalry at that) good, they are reaaaally bad but at some point I remember they got nerfed and they are nigh unusable right now. I blame the decision of multiplayer balances being applied to campaign for them sucking so bad... Edit: Also guys, try not to blame the mp players too much, end of the day CA is the one that makes the choice to carry the mp changes over to campaign and they alone have the power to stop doing that, rather than the guys who play multiplayer.
@Anand707073 жыл бұрын
Fucking multiplayer clowns...they're the ones that rant the most about the game. Completely useless bunch, those guys
@ikitclaw48523 жыл бұрын
@@Anand70707 Especially since it's like 5 people playing it, which is BS then to balance things around the loud minority
@russellthewonderbeast32653 жыл бұрын
Well said lads. Theres way more camp than mp players. I love legend but my armies are always well balanced and lacking cheese and I hate to see mp whining changing units on campaign
@0786RICARDO3 жыл бұрын
They've always sucked though
@0786RICARDO3 жыл бұрын
@@russellthewonderbeast3265 you ment well varied?
@sassyviking60033 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to see sisters of slaughter being a bit higher despite being melee infantry. I think they are a super cool unit and efficient or not, I love to recruit them. Shields plus decent phys resist and poison once they reach melee actually make them surprisingly tanky too.
@ServantofBaal3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if ranged units weren't OP in Warhammer they'd definitely be way up there. Melee units are really just there to rush ranged units and prevent the other side from doing the same, and most factions have single entity units that do it way better. Which I don't like, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
@Robbieslayer19983 жыл бұрын
These guides are really nice and informative. I love these to bits. Cant wait-wait for you to make the skaven list, yes-yes.
@cluelessaf89743 жыл бұрын
" I hate them" "absolute crap" well.... Guess its time to send legend some cold one stack then
@DzinkyDzink3 жыл бұрын
Damn these tierlists make me realize how much different of the game Wh2 is in MP with limits. Dark Riders are probably the best light cav and Manticores are outright broken.
@Johnny11Walker3 жыл бұрын
I have seen manticore strats and agree xD Dunno about Dark Riders, I find them quite useless if there is any counter cav
@Philipp15003 жыл бұрын
Regular Dark Riders suck in MP too, their combat stats are just weak. Dark Riders with Repeater Crossbows however are great there.
@DzinkyDzink3 жыл бұрын
@@Philipp1500 lol wut? Do you even play MP?
@gregthestrange3 жыл бұрын
one of the key things you missed about executioners and dread knights is that for tier 4/5 units, their entities die incredibly fast. I'm convinced they're bugged and CA has just ignored them because their stats do not reflect how squishy they are in combat
@cyborgrhinofromspace11083 жыл бұрын
Based on my experience with DE, I completely agree. I wish more of their monsters had some regen, and I regret how frustrating the low-range of the Corsair Handbows is, really limits their effectiveness.
@cristianponcea16603 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to do vice versa as well. How dangerous the units are in the hands of the AI.
@torquevonthorne9483 жыл бұрын
Under the AI control every cavarly unit gains one tier level, every missile unit loses 2 tier level.
@killcount69943 жыл бұрын
against legendary AI you can pretty much just flip the tier list upside down except the obviously shit DE units like cav and harpy. Their monsters are 2 tiers lower because easy to kill for ranged (which is most of your army in legendary). Their ranged units don't get any better with AI modifiers so they are 2 tiers lower. Their melee infantry get absurd stat modifiers so 3-4 tiers higher across the board. This is assuming legendary battle modifiers. Also when AI fight other AI its always with autoresolve so some units are autoresolve advantageous. That's a separate tier list but in essence higher tier = better autoresolve performance most of the time.
@Gentleben233 жыл бұрын
@@killcount6994 Depends heavily on army composition. Two dragons in the AI army are easy to shoot down. Ten dragons and you are in big trouble.
@JayJay-wf2oe2 жыл бұрын
@@torquevonthorne948 except for shadow warriors. Usually with archers you can send a unit to them and they would skirmish and stop shooting. With shadow warriors they keep shooting which removes the AI’s stupidness. And surprisingly, the AIs LOVE to do shadow warrior doomstacks due to it being a tier 3 barrack unit.
@torquevonthorne9482 жыл бұрын
@@JayJay-wf2oe Seems to me they prefer lothern sea guards to them, probably because they have higher defence
@31Lucario3 жыл бұрын
Dark Riders actually have a use, as a suicide Bomber with Dark conduit. Since they naturally appear in minor settlements you don`t even have to recruit them and they can help defend against smaller armies that just want to annoy you by retaking settlements. A minor settlement without walls can actually defend against 8-12 units of infantry that way.
@gormless8903 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the effort you put into these efforts, it's so good to have a comprehensive look at what you consider to be top tier units as some really do seem like filler and used for meme-ability.
@christophermichael60273 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good content! I say do either an Empire tier list but I’m happy to wait for you to do them later on.
@DjangoFett333 жыл бұрын
I love these tierlists! Keep them coming! Lizardmen would be cool to do next for sure
@varo21223 жыл бұрын
Lizardmen is gonna be a weird one, taking into account how the roster is very polarized between most dinos being really good and most infantry being really meh or outright bad. Im VERY curious of what legend's opinion is on Lizards roster due to this.
@DjangoFett333 жыл бұрын
@@varo2122 yeah agreed. Im very mixed with lizardmen in general and def think they need a rework in the future.
@nikitogamer23383 жыл бұрын
Im going to make a guess before I see the video: S tier - every single ranged. S+ - Ikit claw
@DzinkyDzink3 жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTE POOOWAAH!!
@FarhadHakimov3 жыл бұрын
@@DzinkyDzink they really should've given him this line
@godbless83623 жыл бұрын
Most traveled rat
@marclvenskjold19403 жыл бұрын
A tier list covering all the generic lords of each race would be nice! we know enough about all the LL, and for a lot of people that dont know all the diplomacy tricks, they often have more generic than legendary lord in their campaign. nice video keep'em coming!
@KazeKoichi3 жыл бұрын
Lords and heroes.
@tiagosampaio31783 жыл бұрын
Really hope you continue this, it is helpful for trying new races with a notion of early, mid, late game rosters and what mistakes to avoid....also go algorithm KZbin fly!!!!
@coltaine95203 жыл бұрын
I love your passion, every video you make or stream I can see clearly you don''t guess - you KNOW what you talking about. Great vid as always.
@kaik.94973 жыл бұрын
would love the Dwarf-unit tier list next ; )
@indrickboreale73813 жыл бұрын
He will put Slayers in the Trash Tier, it will be grudgin'
@torquevonthorne9483 жыл бұрын
Lots of units in A tier, maybe just the bugman rangers in the doomstack level.
@mickethegoblin71673 жыл бұрын
They are all trash
@indrickboreale73813 жыл бұрын
@@mickethegoblin7167 Elgi lover!
@mickethegoblin71673 жыл бұрын
@@indrickboreale7381 Never!
@danio55773 жыл бұрын
people saying what tier list should be next but you do you, whatever, you are awoseme and this tier lists are also great
@tomaszbobola3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this Mr. Legend :D Would be lovely if u could turn the music down a lil bit :)
@Franchiseme62OhK3 жыл бұрын
These are my favorite videos that you do. as a newer player i've been seeking info like this relentlessly and its just not out there.
@enes41243 жыл бұрын
Watching you really improved my play style. Thanks sincerely Legend
@Chapterhouse863 жыл бұрын
Your power comparisons and tier lists are my favorite videos you do Legend! I have learned so much from watching all of your vids, thanks man.
@ilari903 жыл бұрын
Love it, would just mention that i'd give Harpies higher score with Rakarth, maybe A or B, as they are quite good with him early-mid game like corsairs are with Lokhir. Those sweet melee bonuses wreck everything as they can pick out single units en masse.
@xrayalien1123 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video Legend! Haven’t got around to playing the dark elves yet but I at least know what to target first now 👍🏻
@skullz2913 жыл бұрын
I think witch elves are a good candidate for B tier because their inflict frenzy and speed is super useful for tying up skirmish and archer units. They're also not bad in a fight.
@dax99433 жыл бұрын
This is a great series! Keep it up! Finish out the elves listing before moving on, I think keeping the lists together with races with similar playstyles helps for comparative purposes.
@hitppohiman3 жыл бұрын
A couple harpies (especially as Rakarth) are usually good to have versus high elves because they trigger the skirmish mode on archers and do damage fairly quickly. For the most part they're like the doomfire warlocks: super squishy but have some tactical uses.
@hitppohiman3 жыл бұрын
Also a good hack for fast flying creatures triggering skirmish mode: send them on walk to chase down archers. It pushes the archers away for longer with skirmish mode.
@M.L.official2 жыл бұрын
AI doomfire warlocks are cracked as fk. They can wipe out anything.
@nothanks11383 жыл бұрын
If you still actually wonder why scourgerunner chariots are tier 3, and cold one chariots tier 4, the answer is entirely in the armourpiercing weapon damage. This game hugely values armourpiercing. Also, in cities (for Malekith, but since someone said CoP too, I guess all dark elves), medusae are tier 3, so definitely A-tier, and early game doomstacks even, imo, when the AI is spamming a lot of infantry. Medusa shrines are still tier 5 though. Quality content again, really enjoying these unit tierlists! Would love a skaven tierlist next!
@Nightmare_523 жыл бұрын
i would really think of witch elves as the ranger counterpart due to their similar traits of 20% physical resist and low armor but higher speed instead of black ark corsairs which have good armor and arent as fast
@Tomezilla5143 жыл бұрын
Loving these lists, very helpful. Would love a video about faction heroes and trait hierarchy similar to these.
@spamstabber3 жыл бұрын
Love how passionate he is about the cold ones 🤣
@tannskarpfare75453 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying these tier lists, also found the damage explanation super useful. I watch your streams to understand the game and these are great peeks into how it all works... I hope you do this for all the races :)
@SouthbobParkpants3 жыл бұрын
Looking at this tier list, Dark Elves don't look as Pay 2 Win as the High Elves do with their DLC (Sisters of Averlorn), is that correct? The tier list makes it seem that DLC units are nice and add spice to the roster but aren't critical to an enjoyable campaign with the base Dark Elve factions. Are there added mechanics or anything that suggest that DLC like Queen and the Crone or the Malus Darkblade are necessary? I played a Dark Elf campaign ages ago without the Queen and Crone DLC and still had fun, just wondering if there was any key FOMO in the campaign meta P.S. Awesome tier lists btw Legend!
@BigRocker-ot2yw3 жыл бұрын
Malus DLC is really good for the Dark Elves because it adds the masters which can bring the slave decline rate to 0%.
@Mythralblade043 жыл бұрын
Love these videos where you go into depth about what you consider when deciding whether a unit's good or bad! Another idea I'd love along these same lines (now that all the DLC is out) is to do "Ideal Army Compositions" for factions - where you talk about what units in what numbers to (generally) go for for early, mid, and late game, taking things like (non-legendary) lords, heroes, siege attackers, price, maneuverability, and usual enemies into consideration. You touch on these subjects when you do "Rate my Doomstack/Save my Disaster" videos, I'd just love to see a "what you Would do", having seen a lot of "what you Wouldn't do".
@EpikJasper3 жыл бұрын
love these videos makes me learn alot about the game
@Kb0montty23 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this series. The best explanation of all the rosters on youtube for sure.
@scarvenger99483 жыл бұрын
I have several hundred hours on dark elf and I've never bothered to check shades missile strength and simply assumed greatswords must be the best. I need to try duel weapons more. Thanks Legend.
@ChrisBZ863 жыл бұрын
Unit Roster Ranking Request: 1) Empire 2) Dwarfes 3) Lizardmen Always very factual and without unnecessary chitchat and at the same time very entertaining! Keep up the great work!
@drschwandi36873 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for game 3 where every enemy units gets 40% missile resistance on legendary.
@darkbozo113 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahaha yep sounds like a way how they might deal with missile blobs..... Still won't be enough sadly to make melee any more viable I think
@Sokratees3 жыл бұрын
I’m loving these unit tier lists, keep them coming, these will be great for a long time too. Great for new players and vets.
@gustafmannerheim97203 жыл бұрын
dark elf is truly the "gets everything, but master of nothing", meanwhile high elf is the master of everything
@Charlys7873 жыл бұрын
Would not agree: The Darkshards as low tier AP missile unit and the arks as cheap mobile high xp recruitment base additionally bypassing supply lines and reduce upkeep are the dark elves unique features. I would even go so far to say they can be stronger then the high elves, but it's more difficult to get there.
@0786RICARDO3 жыл бұрын
That's just not true. Shades are better than sisters.
@fabiocalebrano47333 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with Charleston 787. Dark Elves are as strong as high elves but harder to figure their play style out
@torum64483 жыл бұрын
@@0786RICARDO they are better once you get them all buffed up and in the army of a lord with either shadowdart or barbstorm, otherwise i’m pretty sure sisters are better
@gustafmannerheim97203 жыл бұрын
@@Charlys787 they do have some good early-game units, but they lack strong enough late-game doomstacks
@beeeecki3 жыл бұрын
This videos are great. I guess that all who watches Legend knows what he think about certain units (Manticores :)), but it is really nice to see all of this in one video. More of this please!!!
@beeeecki3 жыл бұрын
And yeah, lizardmen next would be useful
@maximcharest3 жыл бұрын
Is one of the solution for melee infantry is to lower their recrutement tier? The max tier for infantry should be 3? I dont know if they would be too powerful early game and maybe CAV would be more useless than now. Great video Legend!
@alexreid58433 жыл бұрын
It's also their upkeep and recruit cost is insane for what they actually do. 325 on Black Guard when Shades cost 237 and Darkshard Shields cost 162 is just way too expensive. Lowering their recruitment tier would also be a massive buff to the AI where as upkeep is a problem only the player has, so that's probably where the buffs should be moreso. I do think you could make them tier 4 and it be fine but I think tier 3 is too much, but no melee infantry should be tier 5
@Theimbued3 жыл бұрын
Great work as usual @LedgenofTotalWar. One critique would be to maybe lower the music volume slightly as somtimes it's a little too loud. Other than that, top tier video!
@SGProductions8711 ай бұрын
This needs a WH3 update because I'm certain your opinions are different now
@planomathandscience3 жыл бұрын
This shows how valuable these are. I like ones for races I play, because it refines and informs my choices. I love ones about races I don't play, like DE, as I now have a good idea where to start once I do try them. Much appreciated.
@MarieAvora3 жыл бұрын
Do Empire when you think you've mastered the format and feel like you need a bit of spice, I get this feeling they're a fairly popular faction
@felixscarbrough56943 жыл бұрын
I'd love an empire Tier list, I'd also love a faction-power comparison video, especially seeing as it's something that you've explicitly left out of your legendary lord power comparison videos. Feel like it'll work as a really strong compliment to them and can be a great place to clear up some misconceptions and explain some strats, even if a lot of the rankings are likely going to be fairly obvious.
@rjhogan073 жыл бұрын
So what I’m getting from all this is that the most dangerous units for cost to come out of Naggaroth is a bunch of outlaws and some fire breathing snake. Considering the sheer balls it take to survive as an outlaw in a society as dangerous as the Dark Elves’, the main surprise for me is that the regenerating fire breathing snake monsters can keep up with them.
@95NorthW3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the clarification on the shade "stat" thing, I definitely thought their armor piercing missiles were different because of what you pointed out. My only suggestion for these videos is that maybe you could add hero's to the tier list as well, I would love to hear your opinions on the differences in effectiveness between things like Assassins and Sorcerer's, as I always keep a fire sorcerer in my DE stack, with Assassins running op's on the campaign map, but maybe you've found a reason to keep them in your armies. Thanks again for another fire video!
@michael141953 жыл бұрын
The shades' stats blurbs aren't wrong, it's just that they're all about the shades' melee weapons, not the shades' missile weapons. A reason to keep assassins in an army is if you're concerned about the general's loyalty, the assassins have a skill that can "encourage" the general to be more loyal :).
@95NorthW3 жыл бұрын
@@michael14195 right, but the fact one say's "armor piercing missles," and the other say's "armor piercing" would easily mislead people to think only the one listed has bolts that pierce armor, as he explained in the video. Definitely a good tip about the loyalty tho haha!
@hektopha3 жыл бұрын
I really like the tier lists. They are kinda cliche, but they are honestly a very good system to convey a lot of information and put it into perspective
@hjluke48073 жыл бұрын
I really loved your Lokhir donut campaign (the one you show in the background in this video). Wish you’d continue it at some point.
@ThatFeelBr03 жыл бұрын
The only problem I have with the Scourgerunner Chariots is that they always get massacred in auto resolve. It's like the artillery always dying levels of loses. My army sometimes get through an auto resolve unscathed but the Scourgerunner Chariots die to the last model.
@michael141953 жыл бұрын
The reason Scourgerunner Chariots are tier 3 units that are better than the tier 4 Cold One chariots is that Scourgerunner Chariots are a DLC unit and Cold One chariots are a base game unit. Pay your real life $, get better units. Black Guard are good tarpit units, e.g. against monsters, at lower battle difficulties where the AI doesn't get so many melee buffs. They have the psych immunity which is tailor-made for fighting creatures with fear or terror. They also have a niche use in Vortex where you can recruit them in one turn at high rank from a landmark building in Naggarond, and then Malekith pays only half maintenance if they're in his personal army, and since it's Vortex Malekith is likely to be hanging around Naggarond a lot to defend it from the ritual invasions. So if someone is playing Dark Elves for the first time, and it's a Vortex campaign, and they're probably not playing at the highest battle difficulty, Black Guard have a place. But I absolutely wouldn't use them if I were playing at higher battle difficulties like you do. I play with cost-based army cap and I usually keep a manticore in each army, because they are REALLY CHEAP and really mobile and I can just target them at something squishy that the AI would normally keep in a hard-to-get-at place behind its lines, and forget about them. At hard battle difficulty they can kill hellcannon, and that's a really good trade. If they die, they die; did I mention that they are really cheap? But if you're playing with vanilla rules so you have all the money you might need anyway. The crossbow horsemen are good flanking troops if you're fighting an AI army without cavalry. They can quickly move around the enemy's flanks and shoot into the rear of the enemy's units instead of having to shoot over your own units like the infantry archers do. Shades can also sneak around the enemy's flanks but they can also get caught in melee while they are trying to do that.
@PREDLORD3 жыл бұрын
Would like to see Lizard men as they are the race I struggle with understanding their units the most that or norsca. Two hardest factions for me to play and beat.
@NatePriddy3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome video! Going to do my first Dark Elf campaign after I finish Ikit.
@leroyg57013 жыл бұрын
Love this style of video, bit more thought and time goes into this than a SYDB I bet, and it shows. SYDBs are also good, but I'm enjoying this a lot. In regards to shades, I always interpreted the Armour piercing missiles as "only missiles are AP" vs armour piercing meaning "melee and missiles are AP". Bit misleading I agree but not straight up wrong. Some descriptions in unit cards ARE straight up wrong. CA why you gotta make a mess?
@Ireniicus3 жыл бұрын
This is great content as its very focused insight into each unit from a Grandmaster of TW Warhammer
@DrFeltcher3 жыл бұрын
Shades, IMO are the best ranged unit in the game when you include all the Lord and Tech range bonuses
@anthonyoruovo67333 жыл бұрын
I think that goes to waywatchers.
@torquevonthorne9483 жыл бұрын
Sisters of Avelorn lead by Alarielle can beat maxed out shades army because she can also heal them and give them phisicayl resistance with spells. While the shades will unleash a couple of volleys first because they stalk and slighty better range, the sisters would win with Aly casting heals and protective spells. And probably they could win in melee too having 43 ma 61 md at rank 7
@gaoaibai62433 жыл бұрын
Waywatchers are better
@kaischwarz65903 жыл бұрын
@@torquevonthorne948 in a vacuum shades beat sisters, but that never happens in campaign so you are overall definitely right
@torum64483 жыл бұрын
Even with the nerf in the twisted and twlight dlc, waywatchers are still prolly the best, and hell, it does make sense for them to be the best ranged unit the game
@fsdafdsafdas Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this tier list! I've watched a few videos as a new TWW3 player and played the game a few times but still none of them broke it down in game as easily to understand list and WHY you think this is where the units are as yours even with it being TWW2 list (not that there is a huge difference in the roster in Warhammer 2 vs 3 for Dark Elves lol). Found this super informative and helpful (as I have your streams :D)
@Aaron-jj9no3 жыл бұрын
I feel like dreadspears are actually viable flank guards even later(mid?) into the campaign depending on your army roster. They're really easy to recruit and cheap too. I'd rate them at B personally. I'm not the best player though, but they're worked reliable for me against silver helms and other cheapish cav/monsters.
@Debilinside3 жыл бұрын
The problem on higher difficulty is that they get shredded real fast. They dont have amazing armor or melee defence, they dont have any good ability or resistance. Also the buffs they get from the red line are very mediocre. So on normal, sure, as a meatshield they are okay, they can delay enemies while your shades rip them apart, but on very hard they will loose 2/3 of the entities from a Elonian reaver charge
@MartynWilkinson453 жыл бұрын
They do the job of disposable road block very well. I think that Legend meant he didn't feel DE needed that. Personally, I use them until I can get hydras to tarpit, and replace my darkshards with shades. Shades have no need of a meatshield, and hydras do a better job of pinning the enemy. But darkshards and dreadspears can work perfectly well right up to the late/midgame.
@44Wisely3 жыл бұрын
A clear explanation of the units and their cost effiancy Thanks again LegendofTotalWar. Lizardman next please!
@クズはやし3 жыл бұрын
Cold One Chariot is ok but the only time you will use it is when starting as Malekith. Hydras for me is more of an auto resolve stack, back in the days just put one Hydra Ark at both Northern and Southern of Ulthuan, and the new world Chaos invasion end in one turn. Good old time.
@glr47643 жыл бұрын
more tier ranking videos! I also liked the top and bottom 5 ones. And the 'rate my campaign series'
@chron32623 жыл бұрын
its a bit of a shame with the Black Guard, everthing un the game, that uses a halberd should be good against everything. Its just the best meleeweapon, that was used in real history.
@HowT0Code3 жыл бұрын
Yeah melee infantry just needs some love in WH series, they're trash right now
@Mythralblade043 жыл бұрын
Wait... what? Halberd was the best melee weapon used in history? Since when? Halberds are very hard to use in dense formations because they're long swingy things, as opposed to the best melee weapon for disciplined infantry (the spear) or the best melee weapon for undisciplined infantry (the sword). Halberds were given to guards for that very reason - they aren't in tightly packed formations or crushed melee so they can make full use of the weapon's swings.
@chron32623 жыл бұрын
@@deadlyydude5522 they are very versatile, and it was less skill needed to craft them. Most normal Toolmakers where able to. And in Combat you have a higher range than a sword, and they don't have the Problem, that spears have, that when the enemy was to close, you can't realy use your weapon very well. But I'm open to other opinions, just say, why you think other weapons are better not just halberds aren't the best :D
@chron32623 жыл бұрын
@@Mythralblade04 You have a point, but i still would say, the halberd is better than a spear, if the user is skilled. and you don't want undisciplined soldiers with a sword. Using a sword isn't easy and it needs a lot of skill too, to use it right, maybe a mace would be a better weapon for unskilled or unexperieced fighters. But thanks for your Comment i appreciate it :) Edit: But i should not say only halberds, but rod weapons...spear with shield might be the best for a bigger Formation, but i will stay with my Choice.
@Mythralblade043 жыл бұрын
@@chron3262 Yea, gotta disagree with you. A sword is a sharp club. Sure you can MASTER it with a ton of effort, but the bar for EFFECTIVE use is really low (unless you're looking at specialized/massive variants). Basically, consider this; the Halberd was used in a couple areas for a short period during Medieval Europe specifically. the Sword and the Spear were worldwide and their usage lasted for millennia. It's because the designs are simple, they're easy to use, and they're scarily effective with minimal investment. Halberds were given to guards for the same reason that two-handed swords were given to guards - they're effective at clearing space around the wielder. That's fantastic for a guard, much less so for a rank and file soldier (because you want your friends in the space around you instead of it being empty). Look at the basic mechanics - a halberd needs about 3ft of clearance on either side of you to be swung effectively without hitting your own side. If you were using a spear instead, your two buddies could be occupying that space with THEIR spears. Additionally, the people BEHIND you could also be stabbing with THEIR spears (and let's not go into trained phalanxes that would have the third and fourth ranks ALSO stabbing with their spears). A single halberd cannot compete against that amount of metal on target. Saying a Halberd is best is like saying that the Katana is the best sword ever. It looks cool, it's effective within it's realm, but armies used the weapons they did for a reason.
@SquiboTheHomey3 жыл бұрын
I like to hear Legend's opinions and streams aren't always the time or place to ask for them.
@quisshmoov63133 жыл бұрын
I feel like most people play on VH/N so I can't agree with the melee unit slander 🤣🤣
@Smittenz13 жыл бұрын
Even though I havent played in around a year I still enjoy your content mate thank you for making it.
@Omnomface3 жыл бұрын
A small annotation: Under Rakarth the Charybdiss does have a breath attack in his army with one of his skilltree nodes. Not a major advantage, but it is something to mention. Otherwise i wouldn't spam them either due to the reasons listed.
@Meyna863 жыл бұрын
Pretty much agree with everything. I personally go for Greatweapons Shades but as Legend said, it's about personal preference and play style. Lizardmen would make sense for the next video as they're a TWW2 launch race same as High Elves and Dark Elves. Then Skaven. I'm happy to wait for the Greenskins tier list.
@Misaka_99823 жыл бұрын
I always like to have one or two flying units to deal with unguarded artillery. The manticore with terror can route artillery without rampaging and is more efficient at it than a big dragon. There's actually nothing much in your higher tiers to deal with artillery given the DE will often be outranged.
@rasoulnorozyan59163 жыл бұрын
Shades have stalk and can take artillery out while hyderas don't care and can easily push through and kill the artillery
@tvs59413 жыл бұрын
That’s because of how he plays. You don’t need artillery if you have another siege attacker and are attacking yourself. You can then always waste ammo.
@sympunny86363 жыл бұрын
master on pegasus can take out artillery without getting rampaged.
@arantir41503 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing if artillery is ever a problem, Legend will just waste their ammo using Lords and Heroes since they all get Pegasi
@0786RICARDO3 жыл бұрын
Shades are the best to deal with artillery, simply because they stalk. Your shadow sorceress deals with them fairly well with miasma
@Mintycreature3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Legend, thank you. Looking forward to Skaven and Vampire Coast!
@sashakrivenko13833 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this! Thank you, Legend
@davidrowe54373 жыл бұрын
Legend, I really appreciate these. I do have a request: a simple video (so you don't have to dump a ton of time on it) maybe giving a couple examples of how you might pick these in comps and maybe some good (or less obvious) synergies in the army. I love your content, but you have one of the most extensive content libraries on one topic... and I'm a working dad. Heck, you might even be able to link back to previous streams with timestamps so you don't have to demo what you're describing. Anyways, fantastic job. Looking forward to more.