Dark Elves vs Ogre Kingdoms Warhammer Fantasy Battles Battle Report - Land Before End Times Ep 11

Luka gets a chance to play the Dark Elves against Josh and his Orge Kingdoms. The list Luka brings was inspired by one of our amazing Kickstarter backs!

[@johnschome8944]

Clarence was the best WHFB player online and had the best explanations for what he was doing. His reports with Ash and the Triumph and Tracheary were fun to watch

[@phillipj.benson9497]

I love that Clarence is this mythological figure who just collects beautiful armies and schools all the MWG crew. It's so fitting.

[@khornatekrieger3023]

Oh man, that mention of Clarence sent me for a nostalgia trip about those Triumph and Treachery games and his fantastic use of the Empire.

[@skipgiblets]

I love that they are Clarence’s armies

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

It'd be great to see some Orcs & Goblins, Lizardmen, and Dwarfs!

[@TyTvbPchan]

Noooo say it ain't so. I'm never going to see Clarence again doing a WFB! Sad times.

[@delsolman24]

TyTvbPchan why did he leave? I’m not familiar with him.

[@raincityb670]

Clarence was amazing. So sad to hear he left WHFB.

[@TheSevenFaces3]

He was so awesome

[@TyTvbPchan]

@@delsolman24 they said he's moved on to 40k and he's given away his armies. He was a good player who would tell you his tactical options.

[@mattwilliams3812]

Hey guys, thanks so much for putting this together, especially with it being complicated to get the Dark Elves in the first place. I’d been wondering for a while what would happen between those 2 units and the pledge seemed the perfect way to find out. Money well spent! Thanks again.

[@mwgjosh5161]

Glad to hear the clash didn't disappoint

[@tyrannosaurus696]

Great batrep, thanks guys! Appreciate you staying afterwards to do the theoreticals.

[@MacMuskelAttack]

Awesome batrep guys! =) love it when I get to see the dark elves and can't wait for orcs =)

[@judjementine]

alright today's the day, i've been saving this video for an exceptionally dull day. time to see the hilarity that will ensure.

[@TeutonicKnight92]

I did love the “Land before Time” as a child

[@Fenristhegreat]

So nice to hear that Josh is looking for a wood elf army! I look forward to seeing that.

[@Jmann-jj1jo]

24:10 yes josh yes i am 😂😂😂😂 best line so far

[@jobutony]

Why didn't the witch elves charge the fleeing cavalry and then redirect? It would have ran them off the board.

[@MrGreed070]

Well, He couldve failed on the redirect and get flankcharged by an ogre bus?

[@danielschwartz6795]

Thank you for keeping WHF alive.

[@lindsaynation6354]

Oh yay cannons sniped the general and bsb first turn, already know how the rest of the game is going to go.

[@Blight02]

Yay terrain that mattered in WHFB.

[@mwgjosh5161]

Right!?

[@Blight02]

@@mwgjosh5161 don't know how many people I played with or I watched that just shrugged when it came to terrain and said "eh it's fantasy, terrain doesn't matter."

[@soulinite]

Thanks guys!

[@tungstentoothpick6788]

Miss you on regular battreps josh

[@mwgjosh5161]

Ditto man, maybe I'll just start making my own ...

[@tungstentoothpick6788]

@@mwgjosh5161 yeah, just take over Steve's channel.

[@muesliman100]

As mournfang are 50 mm broad and there were 4 of them the elves would be just as broad as the mournfang cav (10*20 mm) so they would all get to strike rather then the left row being unable to strike

[@davidwaldram594]

More josh on any channel please.

[@MrGreed070]

Unleash the Josh! Nice to see some more ogres! Great game guyz, I dont mind the round basses at all.

[@Rhaenday]

The cav on oval bases nearly puts them at skirmish width, the WE horde looks to be more like 11 wide due to the tray, and the Cauldron of Blood should take up the space of 15 (3x5) infantry models which matters as it extends the ranks of your horde formation. Just want to say I haven't watched the bat-rep beyond army presentation yet, but you should beware that the DE list does have discrepancies that does have gameplay impact.

[@DummyUrD]

Feels like you should try to screen for the deathstar with fast cav.

[@lordravenblade]

Wouldn’t stop the cannon shots. I’m still on top of two so I don’t know if anything else happened.

[@delsolman24]

Can you guys do a 2,500 pt Skaven vs Lizard men and use one of their named bosses. Trench, or any named hero.?

[@thomassaxon8254]

Nurglitch versus Tehenauin. Clan Pestilence versus Red Host of Skinks rerun!

[@delsolman24]

Thomas Saxon kinda want Queek, or throt someone who’s never ever seen.

[@thomaswallace7577]

I would like to see Queek vs Belegar

[@soulskhan6697]

Wait...did I hear swearing in a MWG video? Huh....odd. Wait....this is Steve's channel, NVM.

[@ciprianolopez7559]

Fantasy is coming back soon can’t wait

[@Rui_Vuusen]

Clarence left WHFB??? *cries*

[@professordew3168]

Don’t the dark elves get 3 channel dice because of the warlock units?

[@guillermodeljunco2068]

This is the sad part of 8th edition. Ogres shoot better than the empire and ogre and khorne cannons are better in every way. Move and shoot (Hide them 1st turn to not be killed and then get out and surprise!), not instant killed when in combat, in fact decent combat capabilities, more wounds and armor...I don´t know what GW was thinking... Anyway, love to see fantasy being played! Keep the good work!

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

They were probably thinking "Let's make these overpowered so we sell a bunch of the models".

[@Anecron1]

@@HarryBuddhaPalm I'm pretty sure that's a part of GWs rulebook for creating new models...

[@Anecron1]

So the witchelves bases are too big, but did they compensate for this in number of attacks and wounds on the unit?

[@MrBodzio01100]

Guys...don't play on round bases. In case of ogres it's not much problem but dark elfs are on much bigger size then they should.

[@JohnSmith-cy4xt]

What do you suggest? Lol times have changed. Good Gaming brother.

[@slav3n872]

The batraps are fantastic! Properly doing right by the patrons. How many more episodes are due in this series?

[@ZooMStrafes]

Where do you guys get your terrain from. Looks great

[@janzwierzchowski3066]

Two my favourite armies :)

[@AndrewPeverells]

It would be nice yo know how much you payed for both your death stars. I was checking for a potential dwarf death star, but I realised that a block of hammerers + runesmith and, runic standard and Thorgrim Grudgebearer would be 1000 points and higher. How much would yours be? I guess it wouldn't be much higher with a block of witches, Hellebron and a Cauldron, am I right?

[@mwgjosh5161]

I'm a little over 1200

[@mrgabest]

I low key hated MWG's fantasy batreps until Clarence showed up and schooled Ash on all the rules he was getting wrong.

[@RobynRenarde]

Wait Josh exists still? :o

[@mwgjosh5161]

@Samoth Niffrig More like I succeed in escaping to play on special occasions

[@jamierkelly85]

I’m torn. I love watching these semi-competitive/semi-character driven games and they rekindle my love of 8th Ed. But watching some of the rather silly unit moves or rules mistakes has me wanting to reach through the screen :-). Why on earth did you move those riders with the wizard up next to the cat when it was obvious the ogres were going to win combat on your turn, reform and make an easy charge into them? You could have shot/doom bolted the cat from way further away and use your fast cav status to stay away. (And in the Skaven vid where the player lost by not realising his unit was steadfast and ran away with his lord). Still, I love this series so please keep them up. Even the idea of using AoS based modes to play is refreshingly fun. Reminds me of the house rules and cobbled together armies we played with as kids when we couldn’t afford full armies. From a fan!

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

Bring back Clarence!

[@steliosmaris]

That beard is spectacular

[@airsoftfreak11]

No gnoblarz?

[@lordravenblade]

Iron guts would be terrible special units. Aside from +1 ld they’re basically like any other army’s core unit that can upgrade their weapon and armor. They gain no special rules and lose the ability to take “shields” unlike some other armies’ great weapon units who can take them for the extra armor against shooting or the option to use hw/shield which is really good in some situations.

[@sassyviking6003]

agreed. I basically never even use them because I preferred to run a horde of bulls with ironfist back in the day. The cheaper bulls were actually more durable with the parry saves and could still deal plenty of damage. Especially if I got off a buff spell or 2, it worked very well.

[@judjementine]

honestely i don't think the wildwood played as big of a role as luka thinks on that unit of dark riders because that unit of ogors still rolled an ogor charge so he would've still taken 3d3 impact attacks before the fight even started so the ogors would've probably still overan into the other dark riders unit.

[@mwgjosh5161]

It was more of the psychological impact on Luka himself

[@judjementine]

@@mwgjosh5161 true. the result would've been the same but i guess it was the fact that the woods were responsible for so many wounds to his army.

[@MGC-XIII]

So what exactly is the difference between AoS and Fantasy? I never played any of them, but want to get into AoS

[@MuamerHodzic]

So Fantasy has a much darker tone. Things are all set in a single world which (when you look at the map especially) resembles the medieval world a lot. The general tone is grimdark low fantasy. Magic exists but it's rarely used outside of battles and chances are a commoner would sooner die of the pox than glimpse an elf. Factions all hate each other and no true allies exist. Age of Sigmar is much more noblebright. Things are bad but there are people working to make things better. It also takes place on several worlds, each with their own particular flavour. One might be a world made of fire magic so the environments are generally very hot and the outlook and culture of the beings living there is impulsive, boisterous and aggressive for example. It's high fantasy so magic happens all the time and while it is still rare, it's more like in the modern world where you see a celebrity. You'd see a mage casting spells and it'd be wonderful but everyone else has their own stories about the one time they saw a floating castle or a beast made of ice. Also all the people that live in metropolitan areas are of different races usually. Which means rather than the fantasy trope of seeing an elf once from a distance, in AoS your next door neighbour is an elf and the guy that runs the Inn is a dwarf. Gameplay wise, Fantasy is much blockier and more about the rank and file. Individuals matter a lot less and a cohort moves as a whole. AoS is much more focused on skirmishes so each model matters a lot more to the battle and isn't just a representation of HP like in Fantasy. Hope that helps! If you have any other questions let me know.

[@MuamerHodzic]

Oh! One more thing. Fantasy tends to discourage making your own warbands. You can, it's just that Fantasy has such a long history and setting that almost every single white space on the map has been filled out. Most ideas about armies or factions you can think of have already been done or some contrivance in the setting doesn't allow you to make a unique army. For example you can't have an army that's led by a charismatic, kind leader in Kislev who cares about civilians and mourns every man he loses because Kislevians aren't raised that way and so on. Whereas in Age of Sigmar you have literally several planets to work with. So you can be an army that's only in Shyish (the death realm) and you're (let's say) Kharadron Overlords. You can very easily say "My Kharadron Overlords are led by a narcissistic pugilist named Mi'ke Ty'son and whenever they lose a man during a skirmish they don't mourn him because they go back to their base and his ghost is there waiting for them to have a party that very night." You can do that and no one can say zip about it because the worlds are so vast that there is absolutely a possibility that there is a group out there that does that.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@MuamerHodzic so technically AoS is just 40k in a fantasy setting? I have always loved the fantasy world of warhammer a lot more than the 40k equivelant, but I have only played 40k on table top, oh and Mordheim.

[@MuamerHodzic]

@@MGC-XIII Age of Sigmar is not 40k in a fantasy setting. 40K is "nothing will get better, everything is getting worse" AoS is "things have been bad but we can make it through and work together and we'll build a brighter future!" 40K and AoS also don't share any of the same rules. There are some influences that you can see peeking through but they're few and far between. Think of AoS as Lord of the Rings style fantasy while Warhammer Fantasy is Game of Thrones style fantasy. and 40k is star wars if George Lucas had depression.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@MuamerHodzic I am purely talking about game wise, not lore setting xD

[@wyrdhunter]

Fools! Josh can channel the spirit of the Ogres!

[@maliceharding4668]

Luka about to put josh in the forever box

[@mwgjosh5161]

You got that vibe too?

[@maliceharding4668]

@@mwgjosh5161 ok good josh is still alive or luka is being deceptive.

[@phillipjmead]

Slaughter master is a wizard, can they wear armor?

[@mwgjosh5161]

Technically yes

[@Anecron1]

There is a very good FAQ answer to this from Jervis Johnsson. They made a small misstake in this that would have been adjusted in the next armybook. Basically, it is allowed in the rules, although Jervis clearly points out that it is not in the spirit of the game to do so.

[@HodgizeroNeo]

who has the rules for the rhinox riders?

[@mwgjosh5161]

Someone just sent the rules, now all I need is the minis

[@HodgizeroNeo]

@@mwgjosh5161 can you share the rules with me I would also like to add them to my ogre army

[@anthonysansom6418]

No LOS in warhammer anymore!!

[@danoobboss8780]

hey anyone know any groups near Toronto Ontario that may be interested in starter pack for fantasy, blood bowl or battlefleet as trying to sell for a friend who found them in there dads storage unit

[@MountainMiniatures]

Yeah send me an email [e-mail]

[@mojojojolord]

Round bases look so incredibly wrong.... and bad...

[@mogwaiman6048]

I prefer them. It allows for more varied sculpts.

[@JohnSmith-cy4xt]

Round bases look better, it’s science. I feel the round bases and some of the combat aspects of AoS blended with the open customization of units and realistic rules from fantasy would be awesome. AoS needs more depth. Good Gaming my friends.

[@mojojojolord]

@@JohnSmith-cy4xt Its just absurd for gw to expect ppl to change all their models to new bases... And I deffinitly dissagree how is it science? Having the arc of sight is absolutely fundamental for in depth gameplay when you dont have as much shooting as in 40k

[@iugoeswest]

Cöol stuff

[@Blight02]

Man cannons were crazy accurate in 8th.

[@MINIbigmac10]

Blight02 honestly it’s just Josh’s insane cannons. If you watch any Cullen Skaven game, you’ll see the true accuracy of artillery.

[@Blight02]

@@MINIbigmac10 I mean 1/6th chance of misfire (even warped by terrible luck) is still really good odds for doing something meaningful. The bounce can hurt but if you are smart with initial placement it's still close to only failing on another misfire. Ogre cannons make even that trivial. They single handedly removed monsters from the game. Also the fact they count as templates and thus hit both mounts and riders is crazy good. Saw Malareon's dragon sniped out from under him on more than a few occasions.

[@psycojester]

Does anybody know what GW was trying to represent when they wrote a rule that gives Ogres the most reliable cannons in the Old World?

[@mwgjosh5161]

@@psycojester The blurb talks about them shooting multiple projectiles

[@thomassaxon8254]

@@psycojester the cannons were made by the Sky Titans, a race of super intelligent and capable giants. They're basically the equivalent of 21st century artillery when everyone else is using 15th century cannons.

[@zac2851]

First for OGRES

[@lordravenblade]

I hate the random terrain.

[@kotson666]

I like watching your battle reports, but one thing. I haven t played warhammer since 2015, but i still can realise that Josh doesn t know how to play ogre kingdoms and his roster at all.

[@mwgjosh5161]

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[@SgtDeath1942]

Which is exactly why he won....oh wait

[@noblepush6]

Some people enjoy playing more than making sure their list is a min/maxed meta list.