Dark Side of the Moon - 50th Anniversary RANT & RAVE

[@jameshunter3177]

Completely agree with you. Water’s voice can become tedious over many tracks, he has a moaning whine to his voice. Many of his solo material has a sameness to it. i.e. whisper the verse and scream the chorus. Together the group were magic.😊

[@RobertCassard]

Great points, James. There's something inherently "uncool" and straight about Waters' melodic choices and phrasing as a vocalist. The comparison between Waters' demo of Money and Gilmour's vocal on the final LP makes it painfully obvious that Gilmour is an underrated singer who takes a vocal melody and brings out its cool factor...just like he does on guitar.

[@juliosanchez95]

@@RobertCassard Robert, I could not agree with you more.

[@joelsmith3009]

A little Waters is refreshing and life sustaining, too much Waters can drown you😆

[@RobertCassard]

@@joelsmith3009 An elemental truth!

[@vicheakeng6894]

300 pages CONTINUOUS AND DISCRETE

[@vinylwood]

Great rant and review of this masterpiece. I learned more from this vid than I knew for the last 50 yrs. Yes I'm 64 and have owned this album in various versions and packages for decades. Funny ...... I just purchased the new live version on Amazon which is to be here tomorrow.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad you enjoyed it, Mad KinG! Come back on Friday for my new review video about how to hear the new 2023 mix in Dolby Atmos…

[@bsharporbflat8378]

I am jealous of people that get the chance to hear this album for the first time.

[@RobertCassard]

In one of the documentaries about Dark Side, David Gilmour says exactly the same thing!

[@bsharporbflat8378]

@@RobertCassard He stole it from me 🤥

[@RobertCassard]

@@bsharporbflat8378 No doubt...

[@bsharporbflat8378]

@@RobertCassard Actually Waters stole it from me and now claims Gilmour stole it from him 😜. 🤥🤥

[@pbellajr]

One of the best! I actually just picked up a new copy just to have a new pressing of the 50th Anniversary pressing 🎉

[@RobertCassard]

Congrats on that purchase, Pete. I remember in 2003, they did a bunch of new surround mixes and DVD and SACD releases that used all the original multitrack masters instead of the 3rd generation reduction mixes our ears were all used to. I haven't heard them, but would love to.

[@RobertCassard]

Forget about chasing down old mixes. The new 2023 mix done by James Guthrie is available in Dolby Atmos. Check this out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-apYx4mtemftE

[@gregoryhausinger9072]

Good Video, Thank You. David and Roger are the perfect example of ying and yang. They need each other. David's albums, particularly the later ones are very well produced elevator music, that is all just melodies with no peaks or valleys . Roger's are just grating, angry horrible stuff without any rays of sunshine coming through the storm clouds. Yes I own them all, and try to listen to them every few years. I think I'm hoping that with maturity they wont leave a bitter taste in my mouth (and ears) at some point. Oh, by the way, 299.99 for the box set is insane! Spin on you crazy diamonds!

[@RobertCassard]

You're so right about the David/Roger Yin/Yang relationship. They need each other to create something truly great and multi-dimensional. Have you heard the new Dolby Atmos mix of Dark Side? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-apYx4mtemftE

[@k.gspianoworldjourneyschan437]

Hello, I'm kenny from Ann Arbor , mich! I'm around your age, knowing the record shopp you spoke of, there was more I'm sure you stepped into like Wazoo records, up stairs on state st. Next to "Stairway to heaven!" A head shopp with a sorted tye-dyed t-shirts , subway posters large enough to piss the parents off, and grateful dead bootleggs to choose from in a binder! There also was P.js used records owned buy Marc and his brother (name escapes me, last name terrace! Marc terrace I still see and he's a d.j on a local a.m station in Ann arbor! And the last finally was school kids records and tapes, whichever branched off to "ENCORE" used records & tapes! All have been knocked out buy the Digital age! Sadly 😥, but boy the memories!! I just subscribed and look forward to talking more! Peace and love, w/ music 🎶 🎵 💓 kenny A²!!

[@RobertCassard]

Hey, Kenny. I remember all those record shops from my years as a U of M student ('79-'82.) I remember an upstairs store on State Street. If it's Wazoo I'm remembering, they had an extensive Classical offering in a separate room from their Popular stuff. I bought a lot of Classical back then because it was great for studying AND I was a Classical Music reviewer for The Michigan Daily. PJ's - often. Schoolkids - many many times. Thanks for jogging my memory!

[@sabyrk]

Loved this clip! I really enjoy your easygoing discussion style and subscribed to your channel. I found this clip helpful in my research for my review of the new 50th-anniversary box set. That's really cool that you got to hear the album when it was first out. It's hard for me to try and even imagine that since by the time I was old enough it was just a fixture. And I completely agree with you that Roger doesn't understand the value of collaboration - but I thought you broke it down well in unpacking how different people measure artistry (songwriting vs. instrumental artistry).

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks so much, Saby. I'm happy you found the clip and found it helpful. Come back and leave a link when your review is up! Also, you might enjoy my Blow Up the Song series, exploding classic songs and recordings. I started with Here Comes the Sun and moved on from there: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHWwpZSffZuHiqs

[@troyarmatti7167]

Very well articulated. Agree with every word.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for watching, Troy.

[@DaveDemase]

I believe that Roger wrote the lyrics for Us and Them, while Rick wrote the music. The score was left over from an Antonioni movie that wasn't used in the film. The album gives sole credit to Wright, but that may have been an effect of their hyper-sharing of the PF Enterprise of the time. In the end either one is/was fully capable of producing compelling music on their own as demonstrated later on by each of their solo efforts. One of Roger's failings in expressing his opinions on a variety of subjects, despite his inspiring music lyrics, is his poor messaging. For example, he gets a bad rap for being antisemitic when he is actually bashing the Israeli Government for it's crimes against the Palestinian people, and not for actually disparaging the Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion. Also, when he talks about Ukraine the lens of being anti-war at any cost clouds his words to the point of making it seem to be supporting Russia and blaming NATO for the conflict. Each of these circumstance are quite complex, and Roger seems to believe that violence is never the answer. His expression of that notion needs a lot of work, IMHO. I look forward to the "cover version" of DSotM from Waters, but generally have low expectations. His recent put downs of his previous band-mates was off the charts inappropriate, wrong, and unnecessary.

[@RobertCassard]

I agree with Waters' unfortunate inability to communicate nuanced political arguments, Dave. And these days, it seems no one is willing to sit still for nuance. FYI - the album is clear to note that all lyrics for DSOM were by Roger Waters. Only the music for Us and Them is "wrightfully" credited to Rick Wright.

[@asrarul12]

To make it a sonic beauty, Alan Parsons made a good album sound brilliant with his sound engineering and also including Clare Torry and the clocks and coins. Thanks for crediting Parsons.

[@RobertCassard]

Parsons’ work is especially impressive when you realize that most of the stereo masters we’ve listened to all these years were 3rd generation mixes.

[@asrarul12]

@@RobertCassard Indeed. Abbey Rd was never short of good sound engineers. Parsons brought something fresh to the table. The band was open to accept and assimilate. DSOTM was an album where each and everybody's contribution gelled into an ecstacy.

[@RobertCassard]

@@asrarul12 Apparently, Roger is averse to the adage "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." But that's true in all great collaborative works of art.

[@asrarul12]

@@RobertCassard Who cares what Waters or anybody else says--- there has never been another album of substance, sonic beauty, and timelessness like DSOTM. Full Stop. Even Floyd themselves couldn't reproduce it in any of their live shows, not to my ears at least.

[@RobertCassard]

@@asrarul12 You and I agree on that. It's certainly ensconced in the Top 5 concept albums of all time, and comfortable at #1, if the Billboard charts are any measure of impact and success.

[@johnfrewin7717]

Still one of my favourites, timeless 👍🎸

[@RobertCassard]

This is one that continues growing on me with age. I thought I knew it and loved it as much as I could, but I'm amazed at how such a young Roger Waters could convey the essence of life changes in his lyrics. It seems he knew in his 20s what many of us take a lifetime to learn. And yet he can't let go of his ego battles as an older man... Ironic.

[@SonnyGreenwichJr]

I remember almost coming to blows in the studio about song mixes. I listen now, I have no idea what the fights were about and can't hear anything I'd change. Then again we never made a million bucks for ourselves, made plenty of millions for PolyGram though... Listened to Dark Side recent;y up LOUD, just a crazy good parcel of time! ☘💪🏽👀👍🏽☘

[@RobertCassard]

All true dat, Sonny! I remember mixing disagreements that were meaningless years (er...minutes) later. Making money for the Man, but not getting any yourselves is the musician's tale as ole as time. And speaking of "Time," a headphone listen DSOM is always time well-spent. Cheers from rainy California (we're rivaling Ireland this year)!

[@barrymurr9242]

Great rant and rave. I totally agree!

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for watching, Barry. If you dig rock from the late 60s and early 70s, check out my Blow Up the Song videos. Here's a fun one about The Who, in the next phase after Tommy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2TVi6eYqrqLqJI

[@FelixAtagong]

Great video and I agree with about everything. I'm really looking forward to Waters' DSOTM but I fear it will be a bit like Jason Lytle's re-interpretation of Grandaddy's Sophtware Slump, that was good for one listening. On the other hand Gilmour made re-interpretations of famous Floyd songs as well during his live tours and AMLOR even got a partial re-recording. Perhaps Gilmour and Waters should get a room at the Fletcher Memorial Home where they can act like "overgrown infants" for the few years they still have to live.

[@RobertCassard]

The new Waters version will definitely get one listen from me, but how can it compare with such a masterwork as the original. To me, it's tilting at windmills. Regarding Gilmour and Waters, they both need geriatric gratitude pills. As I said, they've had career success most musicians can only dream of.

[@ZuShin]

I have only heard Money and Time from Waters Redux of DSOTM, and I think they are great re-imaginings of those songs. A great contribution to the 50th Anniversary to DSOTM. Can't wait to here the whole reduxed version 🌕🌔🌓🌚🌗🌖🌕

[@RobertCassard]

I’m glad you like the new releases so far. I just listened to those tracks, and for me, they’re an interesting commentary on the original versions, from the perspective of a much older man. That said, I’ll leave them for you to enjoy…

[@jtmichaelson]

I'm going to have to give the Waters version of Dark Side a truly deep-rooted hard pass. I love Floyd and been a fan since my childhood in the 70s, but just based on the clip made available I will most definitely have to pass. Just that clip alone is horrible at all angles and pretty blasphemous, if I were honest.

[@RobertCassard]

I like the way you put that, JT...a "deep-rooted hard pass." Interesting to call it blasphemous! 😂

[@russellewandowski843]

Your observations are totally valid.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad you're with me on this, Russel

[@waterdog456]

Heard it in its entirety performed live in 1975 in Pittsburgh with the band still intact. Echoes was the encore . Each time we randomly hear a track played on our local FM we have to stop and listen.....REALLY listen. It evokes indescribable feelings more so than mere nostalgia. Pity that Mr Waters felt this iconic vinyl needed ,somehow,tweaked.....pity.

[@RobertCassard]

Yes, waterdog. It's sad when a master can't recognize the COLLECTIVE genius and sanctity of a work he was so vital to creating.

[@dhala54]

I was there! Three Rivers Stadium '75. Left a bit early that night. Dangerous place with the fireworks being thrown down on us.

[@user-qx5hv1nu1k]

Excellent review. Very detailed and objective.

[@RobertCassard]

Glad you liked it - thanks for watching and leaving a comment.

[@yeahright3733]

I think Us and Them is my favorite song. It’s just so good.

[@RobertCassard]

Us and Them is an epic song. So deep and meaningful, and it just gets better with age!

[@Chekmate99]

part of the problem between Waters and Gilmour may be their different political views - like a divorce sometimes there is no reconciliation; especially when one party is dominant to express their views on stage

[@RobertCassard]

True. I know pretty much everything about Roger's political views and NOTHING about Gilmour's. I guess that confirms your point!

[@michnygaard]

We never purchase waters solo. But very glad playing gilmours plus his solos. In fact many of our friends have same ear

[@manlioyllades]

For me the new Waters version will be just that, another version as there are many by other artists; Easy All Stars' 'The Dub Side Of The Moon', Billy Sherwood's 'Return to The Dark Side of The Moon', Nguyên Lê's 'Celebrating The Dark Side Of The Moon', Voices on the Dark Side's 'Dark Side of the Moon a Cappella' etc. etc.

[@RobertCassard]

Agreed, Manlio!

[@brendanhoffmann8402]

My Dad had dark side of the moon on CD when I was a kid (I was born in 1980)... I didn't think I could re-experience that magic but I recently upgraded my sound system and got hold of the 2003 SACD of dark side of the moon. It sounds so good! I think I prefer the SACD to the new 2023 hi-res FLAC version.

[@RobertCassard]

Hi Brendan. Do you actually have a surround sound system, or a high-end stereo? I'm curious what you like better about the 2003 mix.

[@brendanhoffmann8402]

@@RobertCassard I think it's just that DSD sounds better than PCM with my setup. I have a Topping DX3Pro+... I realised before that my DSD was being boosted by 6db too so may have something to do with why I liked it better.

[@brendanhoffmann8402]

I do have several surround sound systems but am running my current one in two channel mode... maybe it's mixing down the surround mix to two channels so could explain why it sounds fuller.

[@brendanhoffmann8402]

My setup is not high end though, pretty far from it.

[@RobertCassard]

@@brendanhoffmann8402 even a little extra volume makes a big difference to perceived quality

[@Rattlinghope4]

I think,having been in a band with talented players,that even the most proficient musicians still need to be lead, to be arranged with a “ Yes or no” from a driving force. Roger has a gift for arrangements. He has a gift for timing,like Freddie-an inspiring positive driving force. Not sure about a re recording though!

[@RobertCassard]

I hear you, AD, and I don't deny Roger's talents for a minute. But for me, as Pink Floyd continued beyond DSOM, and as Roger asserted more dominance as a singer, arranger and leader, the more heavy-handed their lyrics, songs and sound became, and the less I cared... DSOM was their (almost magical) apex for me.

[@DownMemoryLaneParis]

@Robert Cassard I think waters was essential to the band drive of force and creativity. He might not have played the music, hence the credit of three others, but he definitely oversaw it all. The albums after his departure were good pop rock tracks, but lacked severely in concept. A bit like Peter Gabriel era of genesis vs their pop 80s version. I think dsotm wish animals and the wall are his proof. But of course Wright and Gilmour were the guts on top of Roger's soul. To conclude, I would say his Lyrics are why there songs still relate to people.

[@steveanderson4515]

Sadly, I have to agree also.

[@RobertCassard]

Good way to sum it up. "Sad" is the right word, Steve.

[@ebak8283]

Rogers' Us and Them sounds like its from The Wall with his vocie being a bit too up-front (since its in DSoM rather than the Wall)

[@RobertCassard]

He does like the quiet, angry, voice-up-front sound…

[@joelsmith3009]

The new Us And Them sounds a lot like Roger's minimalist interpretation of Comfortably Numb from his last tour. He's trying to prove that his lyrics can stand more or less on their own, but it's always been that combination of poignant lyrics and sublime and powerful musical arrangements that made Pink Floyd the greatest of all time

[@RobertCassard]

The lyrics are undeniably excellent, but why deprive them of the musical setting and performances that gave them the maximum impact?

[@joelsmith3009]

@@RobertCassard it's worth noting that since Wright wrote the music for Us And Them (as Gilmour wrote the music for Comfortably Numb), that sort of explains why Waters might want to minimize the prominence of the music on that one in particular. He may be using the project to retcon and downplay a lot of the others contributions, as much as he can without destroying the structural integrity of the work. I'd look for Nick Mason's briliant roto-toms on Time to be drastically reimagined in some way too

[@RobertCassard]

@@joelsmith3009 I usually listen to Waters "reimaginings" with something akin to "morbid curiosity." Like they are zombie versions of the original works that have risen from the dead to haunt me. (Probably not RW's intention.) LOL

[@786itube]

Fully agree. Waters provided lyrical inspiration, while the rest of the band injected musical expertise - without which, Water’s songs will fall flat

[@RobertCassard]

Exactly. At that’s proven true when we compare albums with and without Waters and the other band members.

[@mirodybinski4021]

I applaud everything you said 👏👏👏

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for watching, Miro. Glad you applaud my rant!

[@CarlosTehJackal]

I completely agree that "Dark Side of the Moon" was a perfect moment in time when 4 excellent musicians created an almost perfect record. That Waters' ego won't allow him to recognise the masterful contributions of the others is a sad reflection on a bitter old man. That's how he'll be remembered, a bitter old man ruled by an over-inflated ego.

[@RobertCassard]

You may be right, Vatted Brain. But there's still some time left in Waters' life for redemption. I find it quite ironic that the section of lyrics we hear in the "reimagined DSOM" snippet happen to be the ones about the pointlessness of death in war and the battle lines moving arbitrarily "from side to side." Perhaps he'll have a listen to the original album all the way through and his own lyrics will lead to an epiphany. (If you haven't noticed, I'm an idealist!) LOL

[@CarlosTehJackal]

@@RobertCassard I gave up on Waters' redemption years ago, but wouldn't it be lovely to see it? We can but hope, I suppose. 😎

[@RobertCassard]

@@CarlosTehJackal Fo sho. It's my fond wish for everyone, as we age, to mellow and become more generous, not more miserly and stingy with praise for others and their talents. I'm going in the OPPOSITE direction as Waters these days, and very thankful for that!

[@peterchios9637]

(PINK FLOYD THE EPITOME OF MUSIC) All four created as well as Syds work what others dream of creating. Just listen to there Masterpieces everything else doesn't matter.Just be happy you have ears and you can listen to one of God's great gift to man the spiritual sacred music of PINK FLOYD.Nick Mason has heard a few tracks from Roger's upcoming release he said its annoyingly brilliant I also believe it's going to be brilliant. ~~~~~SHINE ON 💎~~~~~ 🎼☮️👊🇨🇦💫 🌓 LEVELS OF A GUITAR PLAYER 1 BEGINNER 2 ADVANCED 3 PROFESSIONAL 4 EXPERT 5 LEGEND 6 GOD OF THE GUITAR 7 DAVID GILMOUR 🎸

[@RobertCassard]

I love your analysis, Peter. I only wish Roger was as appreciative of the other members as you are!

[@johnclark1000]

You are dead on correct sir! But isn't this an old story of many bands that eventually break up due to differences in ego or vision of the direction of a band?

[@RobertCassard]

It IS the same story, although more acrimonious, sustained and highly publicized. And with a better music soundtrack!

[@CorkDave1]

I went to too many funerals in 2023. Rogers Waters redux version unfortunately is akin to sonic funeral of sorts, just slower and with more transposition.

[@RobertCassard]

I listened to the whole RW version recently. While I appreciated it more than I expected, I'd have a hard time giving it a second spin. It's like a tired old man's black-and-white view of something that was originally in living color.

[@LukeWarm05]

A) Listen to any post-Waters Pink Floyd live show. B) Listen to any solo Waters live show playing Floyd songs. Which sounds the most like Pink Floyd? A...no question. Shut up, Roger.

[@RobertCassard]

Are you an attorney, LukeWarm? If not you could be. You just litigated the case in 30 words, with a mic drop. I rest my case!

[@LukeWarm05]

@@RobertCassard I am not! But I am an audio engineer who's done many records and live shows, and is currently working at a record pressing plant. So maybe I qualify as a relevant expert in the field of how-do-it-sound?

[@RobertCassard]

@@LukeWarm05 indeed! And happy for you that you’re NOT an attorney! LOL

[@gillosborne9516]

Sadly, your description “playground stuff” is so true.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for watching and commenting, Gill.

[@patcecil1685]

I have ti say, 100% in line with my feelings.

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks, Pat.

[@jwukulele]

Shouldn’t comment before I watch this whole video. That said: #DavidGilmour forever!

[@RobertCassard]

100% 😎

[@AndyCooper761]

I’ve been a big fan of Waters over the years - Final Cut and Amused to Death are two of my most favourite albums - but for me he’s gone too far in trying to airbrush the other three from history (and in removing their parts from Comfortably Numb). Also gone too far with the politics. I saw his 2018 live show and thought it was one of the best live shows I’ve seen - but lately I’ve become one of the Pink Floyd fans whom Waters refers to when he opens his current show - who should f*** off to the bar if they don’t like his politics. So I’ll take his advice and won’t buy a ticket.

[@RobertCassard]

"he’s gone too far in trying to airbrush the other three from history" - SO WELL PUT!

[@leighfoulkes7297]

I think it is more the fact that Pink Floyd went on selling out shows with songs Waters wrote while his show where empty that left him really bitter. Let's face it, the other guys just about resigned from music after Dark Side of the Moon and it was mostly Roger Waters that pushed them on.

[@RobertCassard]

RW was certainly a “driver” during Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall, but the other members were still vital to the sound and success of those LPs. The later LPs made without Waters, i. e., A Momentary Lapse, Division Bell, and even The Endless River, still sound more like Pink Floyd than any of Roger’s solo work… He’s fighting a losing battle in the hearts and minds of most listeners.

[@bybeetho]

*Eu estou extremamente ansioso por conseguir uma versão de "TDSOM - The Dark Side Of The Moon", na versão "QUADRIPHONIC SYSTEM"; cujo resultado é muito superior ao da versão convencional "STEREO" (esta é a minha opinião pessoal). ... ... Beetho, da "Boomerang Flowers Band", de Belo Horizonte (MG), Brasil. ........ I am extremely anxious to get a version of "TDSOM - The Dark Side Of The Moon", in the "QUADRIPHONIC SYSTEM" version; whose result is far superior to that of the conventional "STEREO" version (this is my personal opinion). ... ... Beetho, from "Boomerang Flowers Band", from Belo Horizonte (MG), Brazil.*

[@RobertCassard]

Nunca ouvi DSOM em Quadrophonic, mas seria uma experiência incrível, tenho certeza. obrigado por assistir o vídeo e deixar um comentário.

[@bybeetho]

@@RobertCassard, *desculpe-me a minha comparação um tanto que EXTREMA; mas, a distribuição "espacial" da estereofonia é algo fabuloso; tão fabuloso, que nos faz ""ter a sensação"" de ouvir (usando-se fones de ouvido, é muito melhor) a versão "QS ® - Quadriphonic System; ou, Sistema Quadrafônico" e, logo após, ouvir a versão "ST ® - Stereo; ou, Estéreo",... faz parecer que estamos ouvindo uma versão "MONO". ....... NOTADAMENTE, NA MÚSICA ""US AND THEM"", durante os solos de piano e de saxofone. ....... Eu tenho, em vinil, ambas as versões. ....... Agradecido pela resposta e pela atenção.*

[@RobertCassard]

@@bybeetho Vou ouvir a versão "Spatial Audio" do DSOM em breve. Eu geralmente gosto de ouvir LPs favoritos que foram remixados no novo formato. Encontrei alguns exemplos, porém, em que a versão Spatial Audio perde impacto. Dream of the Blue Turtles de Sting foi decepcionante.

[@bybeetho]

@@RobertCassard *Onde posso conseguir ""Spatial Audio"" do DSOM??????*

[@RobertCassard]

@@bybeetho English: Apple Music has a 50th Anniversary "Lossless" mix using Dolby Atmos. If you use Apple devices that offer Spatial Audio (like a recent iPhone and AirPods Pro or Max) you can "GO DEEP"! A Apple Music tem uma mixagem "Lossless" de 50º aniversário usando Dolby Atmos. Se você usa dispositivos Apple que oferecem Spatial Audio (como um iPhone recente e AirPods Pro ou Max), pode "GO DEEP"!

[@BillyHell01]

After Waters Left the band turned to Sh!t Gilmour couldn't write a song to save his life, His wife couldn't either. As for touring, I'm sure Roger has made Millions in the last few years enough to last several lifetimes - I brought the Immersion Box set a few years ago so I can save $540 which this Definity is not worth.

[@RobertCassard]

Maybe the real source of anger on both sides is realizing you’ve lost the magic, still getting lots of adulation and making lots of money, and yet feeling no gratitude because nothing FEELS as good as it used to…

[@michelefrogan7150]

The music is. That's enough

[@RobertCassard]

Yes! The music - the masterwork created by all four members of Pink Floyd - speaks for itself!

[@vinylrulesok8470]

The simple fact is that Waters can't sing very well. Gilmour is a great singer with a far greater range. That re-imagined excerpt of Us and Them sounds lifeless and like another track from The Final Cut.

[@RobertCassard]

Nailed it. One of the reasons DSOM was such a revelation when it came out was how powerful the vocals were. Seemingly overnight, Gilmour (and Wright) had come into their own as singers. Phil Collins did the same thing when Peter Gabriel left Genesis. Who knew Phil could sing like he did on Trick of the Tail?

[@AdieAdie17]

On the album "The Endless River"....there is a quote on there. "The sum is greater than the parts"....never a truer word said. Waters is a miserable old man, full of self praise and a megalomaniac. The sum IS greater than the parts. Roger needs to take that on board. Oh...the new version...I've heard the clips and as usual Waters can't sing for toffee. Thus we will soon have one of those moments whereby a classic is "remade"....and it will be in the bargain bin soon after...like many remade films. Let it go Rog. Just let it go!

[@RobertCassard]

David Gilmour’s wife, Polly Samson, wrote the lyrics to “Louder Than Words” while backstage before the Live 8 concert in 2005. It was about the band not speaking to each other, but able to make a glorious noise together.

[@gregharvey98]

Couldn't agree more. It's a shame that Roger Waters doesn't give credit to the other 3 members and they can come together as a whole like they did it on dark. Side to make great music. It's a shame What fame and fortune can do to people

[@RobertCassard]

I listened to DSOM all the way through and the ultimate irony is that Roger understood the pitfalls of money, war and pettiness when he wrote it. Seems he’s forgotten his own lessons and ignoring his own words.

[@waterdog456]

Just for your record: keyboardist /composer extraordinaire ,Rick Wright ,passed away a few years back so getting "the other 3 members" back for anything is an impossibility....for now.

[@RobertCassard]

@@waterdog456 I mentioned Rick’s death at 5:06…

[@waterdog456]

@@RobertCassard ..still, I'll assert that this great band could not "come together as a whole" ...ever.

[@RobertCassard]

@@waterdog456 and they don’t need to, at least for DSOM, because we now have a definitive version of it, IMHO.

[@SamCosentino]

My 2 cents: Waters was the ideas man, and he wrote all the lyrics and much of the music; his contribution was immense, no doubt. But, the sound of the Floyd also centers on Gilmour's fabulously emotive guitar-playing and Wright's keyboards. So, for Waters to try hogging all the credit for the Floyd's work is very wrong. There was a synergy among the band members that made the Floyd what it was, and Waters should recognize and acknowledge that. At the same time, I believe that Waters had tried (at and after Live 8, in 2005) to reconcile with Gilmour, to make more real-Floyd music, but Gilmour put the kibosh on that. Based in part on a BBC interview of Gilmour a few years ago, he appears to be a vindictive person incapable of real forgiveness; e.g., he shunned his elderly mother who sought emotional support from him, for reasons which include the fact that she and his father "abandoned" Gilmour and his siblings by spending a year in the US when he was 10 or so. Gilmour's own wife has said he has difficulty expressing emotion other than thru his guitar.

[@RobertCassard]

Very insightful 2 cents. I’d not heard that about DG, but when interviewed, he always seems VERY reserved, while his playing explodes with emotion!

[@wmblackmer]

I think the question is this...... Could Waters have made DSOTM, the piece he wrote entirely, with three other musicians? Possibly, could Gilmour, Wright and Mason have made DSOTM without Waters? I think not. No doubt about it, Gilmour, Mason and Wright are all talented musicians, in fact Richard Wright like Zeppelin's John Paul Jones is extremely underrated. But at the end of the day if we are all completely honest with ourselves there would have been no Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall and Final Cut without Roger Waters. Just like a good recipe, you can make substitutions here and there but you can't replace the main ingredient and on those aforementioned 5 albums, Roger Waters concept, vision, lyrics and ideas were the main ingredient.

[@RobertCassard]

That’s an interesting take, wm. I think Waters is pretty widely credited as being the primary driving force behind those works. When you list the albums chronology, it makes me realize that I personally like those albums in decreasing order. It may be more than coincidence that the more Roger asserted himself, sang lead and marginalized the other members’ contributions, the less I liked the LPs. Just my opinion, but it confirms that, at least for me, the Pink Floyd of 1973 was greater than the sum of its parts, and MUCH greater than Waters was capable of being on his own.

[@thelawman4684]

One only has to listen to the tuneless drivel that Roger produced in his post Pink Floyd solo work to understand who the musicians and melody makers were in the band. Yes, he wrote some good lyrics ...

[@RobertCassard]

Damn good lyrics! But ironically, rarely words he seems to live by. "Tuneless drivel" is harsh, but I can't say I disagree in certain cases. What Waters fails to acknowledge is that both Gilmour and Wright had such innate melodic sensibilities. On many of the group songs, they're the reason we want to listen once, then keep coming back to hear them again and again.

[@keithbertschin1213]

RW new version, very sad. An angry young man has become an angry old man. Unfortunately he’ll take his petty grievances to the grave

[@RobertCassard]

That's what it seems and sound like to me, Keith. 😪

[@Fontsman]

Water's re-imagining is frankly embarrassing and crap😮

[@RobertCassard]

If this first clip is representative of the whole, I’m likely to agree with you, Fontsman.

[@relativeparadox9567]

As much as I agree that Waters is a childish egomaniac, to me Pink Floyd was never truely Pink Floyd after his departure. And as a holder of unpopular opinions, I think PF have many an album that are better than DSotM.

[@RobertCassard]

Hmm...that sounds like a Relative Paradox!

[@relativeparadox9567]

@@RobertCassard Everything is.

[@RobertCassard]

@@relativeparadox9567 Certainly seems like it...

[@DANCEDWAT]

I hate the muted snare sound Roger always goes with.

[@RobertCassard]

Anemic…

[@leonsam12]

Should just retitle to “Roger Waters Rant”🤔

[@RobertCassard]

You're probably right...

[@hendrikjanriesebos1293]

Demented avengers...

[@RobertCassard]

Who? 😎

[@yeahright3733]

Roger waters is a crazy person. I think he went crazy from the pressure and fame and never fully recovered. His version of Us and Them is horrifically bad. He will be a laughing stock if his reimagining is that bad.

[@RobertCassard]

There’s definitely something off about him wanting to “reimagine” something that’s so exquisite in its original form.

[@garylester8621]

Roger is a genius, and still butt hurt after 50 years that the 3 other lads got some of the credit for DSOTM. He needs to get over himself and rise above it all, or drown in his own shit.

[@RobertCassard]

Cough, cough, Gary... Roger's been drowning in it for a long time. Can't be good for his health.

[@garylester8621]

@@RobertCassard Yeah, when The Final Cut came out, I couldn't believe how bad it was. I mean in a nutshell it was Roger wispering through the whole album. I couldn't understand shit. Then I learned that Pink Floyd had broken up, and it was Rogers album.

[@RobertCassard]

@@garylester8621 I had some friends who loved The Final Cut and were all excited to play me "the new Pink Floyd album." When I heard it, I couldn't even connect it to the PF I'd known and loved for so many years. My only thought: WHAT HAPPENED TO PINK FLOYD???!!!

[@garylester8621]

@@RobertCassard Yes Rob, that was my same feeling. Then I realized that it was really rogers album.

[@RobertCassard]

@@garylester8621 painfully obvious in retrospect

[@garyb455]

Waters new version sounds like a funeral dirge

[@RobertCassard]

hadn't thought of that, but yes...

[@backwarD_boB]

You hit the nail on the head. Roger's big head is what destroyed the Floyd to begin with, then add-in his antisemitic comments and actions and you have a horrible human.

[@RobertCassard]

Nearly every band seems to break up over egos, whether big or bruised. I heard the accusations about Roger’s anti-Semitism. When I read deeper, I think that’s an unfair claim. He’s concerned about Palestinian rights being violated by the Israeli government, and many Jews are saying the same things Roger is. Seems to me he’s just a curmudgeon

[@backwarD_boB]

@@RobertCassard There are Jews on both sides, but imo, he goes further than just "concern" for the Palestinians in that he actually "intimidates" less successful bands who schedule concerts in Israel telling them to cancel their shows.

[@backwarD_boB]

@@RobertCassard Also, he wants to divide-up Israel (knowing it will leave them defenseless) for allegedly taking over territory that they should not have in the West Bank. As if his mother country, has not done FAR more than Israel is accused of doing.

[@RobertCassard]

@@backwarD_boB Hadn't heard about that. Seems natural for a guy like RW to go too far...

[@backwarD_boB]

@@RobertCassard he has advocated for the "BDS (Boycott, Divide & Sanction) Movement" and no, it's not "natural" or we would see most successful musical artists agreeing with him. They do not.

[@1957mhoffman]

RW shot himself in the foot. I am tired of that egomaniac.

[@RobertCassard]

Perhaps multiple self-inflicted wounds…

[@charliekember6749]

Rodger is a master at creating lyrics, and only psychos would disagree, but his vocals aren't good in most cases, and his musical ideas aren't the best.

[@RobertCassard]

Yes, Charlie!

[@ericbell6405]

I expected to dislike this video and ended up agreeing with everything that was said, haha

[@RobertCassard]

Glad you felt that way, Eric.

[@josephwright5921]

Why re-record Us and Them? It is a masterpiece. Roger Waters is bit of a narcissist, just like Sting. The vocals are perfect on Us and Them are perfect. Waters is a terrible vocalist for the most part and his claim that he “wrote” Dark Side is a bit warped. Lyrics don’t sell albums. Hooks, riffs and production sell albums. There is a reason why Roger Waters’ solo albums SUCK and flopped! He had no one to counterbalance his writing direction and hone his songs into something beautiful or catchy.

[@RobertCassard]

I agree with every word of what you said, Joseph.

[@anthonyfarshaw8619]

If anyone has no ideas, it's Roger Waters. He can't sing, he can't play bass and all his lyrics of the past 50 years can simply be summed up in three words: "The World Sucks". And it has become BORING! Take away Waters' lyrics and you still have good instrumental music. Take away Gilmour's guitar, and you have NOTHING!

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for watching, Anthony. From my perspective, RW has been on a slow steady decline of ideas )and progressively bleaker) ever since DSOM. Somewhat ironic to hear him bashing the other guys when he's the one actively re-hashing the stuff he wrote way back when.

[@leonsam12]

I think all those things said by Waters and the way he thought were a long time ago and he has grown up quite a bit since then, Gilmour is the one who nowa days seems to be the uptight one, and who was the one who put out the lame overpriced 50th boxset?? I’m looking forward to Waters version to come out, his voice has aged so beautifully🤔🤘

[@RobertCassard]

Thanks for commenting. I think you missed that Waters’ quote about how “Dark Side was ME,” was from just last month. These guys are like The Zax in Dr. Suess. Neither one will budge!

[@darksideka]

David years ago referred to Roger in a interview as Ol misery guts, Seems nothing's changed 😂🤣😅

[@RobertCassard]

Eeyore in Winnie the Pooh. If there’s a dark side, he’ll find it! Pun intended!