Dark Urge rejects Father, redeems himself and becomes a Hero - Baldur's Gate 3

[@carter5323]

My first ever playthrough of the game I decided to go out on a limb and picked the Dark Urge origin, only having a small bit of secondhand knowledge of BG1 & 2 (coincidentally the same level of knowledge the Dark Urge also starts with). I spent the whole of act 1, 2, and the better part of 3 terrified that at any moment I would lose and kill my companions, that I had made a mistake choosing the Dark Urge and it would in turn act against me and ruin my experience, possibly even causing me to never want to play the game ever again, but even then I still tried to resist the urge. When Sceleritas threatened me with the proposal that if I didnt kill Isobel I would kill Laezel (my partner in the playthru), I started to think like the Urge, genuinely considering killing her just to spare Laezel. I decided to go against my better judgement and let Isobel live and in return I spent the night tied up, even more scared that I couldn't control the urge and it would get my party killed. When I stumbled in the sewers Orin revealed to me that she kidnapped Halsin and would kill him unless I killed Gortash, I dropped everything I was doing and immediately began scouring the sewers for where she could be hiding. I didn't want to have to be forced to kill against my will again. I had only found the entrance to the Undercity because I noticed a small blood circle ,which triggered some memory in a small recess of my mind that this was the symbol of Bhaal. I didn't even know Sarevok was alive yet, I skipped that quest, I was just going off my own knowledge. After I entered and fought my way to Orin, she along with the narrator revealed everything to me, coupled with the knowledge I had learned from reading various books along the whole game, everything had clicked into place. I knew I would have to fight Orin. I knew she had the Slayer form. But most importantly I knew that after I killed her, I, the only remaining Bhaalspawn, would be turned into that very same monster. It was tough, but despite me having "not trained well enough", I used the tactics, the tools, and the experiences I learned throughout the game to win the duel. When I saw Sceleritas' gored body float towards me however I knew that it was to all end here. Bhaal himself, not an avatar like Myrkul previously, would either kill me where I stood for having resisted him and played the evil character path wrong, or I would have to become his Chosen, the very thing I spent so long trying to avoid. Either way, all the progress I had made, the nearly three weeks I spent on my playthrough, would be erased. In the end I still stood firm and resisted, and in the end exactly what I had thought pass did, and I was killed right there. When the camera shifted to a cinematic view, and the narrator monologued I thought that was it. The Bad Ending to the Bad Character Origin. I was honestly content with the game ending there for me. Sure I was a little dismayed I would not get to defeat the Absolute, and I may not have fully understood when I started what I was getting into, but I was happy knowing despite the circumstances I did the best I could. That I had made what many consider the unideal first time playthrough matter to me. Of course though that wasn't how it ended. Where I thought I would be punished for resisting the very urges of the game itself, I was instead rewarded by Withers, the Avatar of Jergal, and the Avatar of the Game itself. Withers didn't just grant my character with life itself, but with the confirmation that despite everything, all of the circumstances, the confusion, the fear, I had truly done my best to make the worst better. That experience. That first playthrough. All of my odd choices I had made throughout the game, in the game or out of it that lead me to that one moment, had worked itself into creating an experience so utterly unique to me specifically that I don't think it will ever be truly replicated again. The Dark Urge is without a doubt the single best experience I ever had in a game. I started my journey afraid that starting with the Dark Urge would sour any attempt to replay it, in a way it kind of has, I don't think I can ever replay the game as any other character now.

[@Azumgi]

I've read the whole thing. The Durge origin alone makes this game for me a GOTY not to mention that the game itself is amazing. Srsly I don't think I have ever experienced character personal story this good, there are so many moral dilemas in this origin that you won't experience in normal playtrough, not to mention that main plot is heavily tied to his background. It's a shame that a lot of people won't experience Durge story because they will play as custom becasue they think that Dark Urge is a evil playthrough origin. Maybe they add Durge as companion in the future or maybe when they realese defenitive edition. That would be amazing. EDIT - If only there was a option to meet Imoen and Adrian as Dark Urge with basically going full circle with the series.

[@leanasa2915]

so true, durge playthrough sour my replay attempt, not because i have bad memory of it, but because it was so great that any replay from that point wouldn't compare to my first playthrough. I never played the first and second Baldur Gate, so my blindness to Baldur Gate lore made my first experience even more magical. How i wish ican remove my memory of playing this game, so i can play it like my first time again.

[@Azumgi]

@@leanasa2915 If you don't mind bad graphics and dated gameplay then you have to try out BG1 and 2. BG1 is kinda average with intresting but dated story but BG2 story and companions are amazing for a game from 2000. It is kind of shame that we have only 3 characters from previous games in BG3.

[@leanasa2915]

@@Azumgi yrah maybe i'll pick it up, people say bg2 is great, so i might be playing the 2nd one

[@trulyteru]

as a person who played the old games as a child and know what a good story can do to a person: i am so happy you had this experience and I pray you can find another soon.

[@MissChambersxo]

Bhaal having a temper tantrum because another one of his kids has turned against him. Jergal laughing at Bhaal, reminding him that he was the original death god, and taking the Dark Urge as his chosen instead in the heart of his own temple. Nice

[@brandanpalmer]

Even better, it’s essentially a grandfather slapping around his idiotic, immature adult son, and taking his grandson away from such undeserved cruelty and taking you under his guidance instead.

[@alnu8355]

Divinity is wasted upon Bhaal. Mindless, foolish, murder.

[@R_Caine]

@@alnu8355 Truly, I cannot help but agree to this.

[@greenglassman]

@@alnu8355 i dont know if its stupid to say, but anleast Myrkul was cool with presentations.

[@epicduckeh6]

Withers: "Wake the fuck up, samurai..."

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

We have an elder brain to burn

[@internetcampbell2267]

Damn... love that comment.

[@Blindluck92]

Withers is the best. Ask him to explain? "No." Die for your redemption arc? "Get up. You have work to do."

[@greatorder]

"Why didn't you let me die?!" "Because you're too fucking cool to die."

[@AL-lh2ht]

Spoilers, he is the old god of death, but allowed some adventures to take his domains and become gods so he could semi retire.

[@Homieck]

@@AL-lh2ht Weren't those adventurers in fact Bhaal and others that took over?

[@metru2185]

Withers: takes of sunglasses “Wake the fuck up samurai, we got a city to burn”

[@Become-Eggplant]

Withers: Wake the F*** up Dark Urge, we've got a world to burn.

[@TheRealCarlBrutananadilewski]

“What is better, To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?”

[@shadowscall7758]

Born good. Because then your evil didn't affect others in the first place.

[@nickmalachai2227]

​@@shadowscall7758and what victory is that absence of effort? To simply ride the inertia of the soul? You don't choose how you are born, but to defy your nature and become better is the victory harder-won, and it is always the more worthy pursuit.

[@shadowscall7758]

@nickmalachai2227 you missed my point. If you were born good, you didn't commit evil in the first place and those people affected by it wouldn't have been. Do you think it matters to the family whose parents you slaughtered if you change later? The parents are still dead.

[@nickmalachai2227]

@@shadowscall7758 you don't have control over that, though, and that's the point. I'm all for the absence of harm, but this isn't a "choose which origin", this is "who of these two is greater" and I think it's greater to overcome the inertia of life and improve than to continue assured that you awere already acceptable enough in nature.

[@n.a.nameless5435]

Paarthurnax!

[@roarytheromanarcanine]

Withers gives the most genuine sweet grandfatherly smile when he tells you “the sole way to atone is to do better, in a new dawn. That dawn has come.” And I just love it. Do not disappoint grandpa Withers if you redeem the dark urge.

[@untrustingstatue]

> Durge dies. Withers "Nah. I'd revive."

[@Tyrantlizard127]

Withers is Jergal. I'm 99% sure of it.

[@RemingtonDean]

@@Tyrantlizard127 Literally the entire internet is sure of it.

[@Tyrantlizard127]

@@RemingtonDean He could also be the DM.

[@pilotlist6276]

@@Tyrantlizard127 his character model is literally named "Jergal Avatar" in the game files lmao

[@gzapray7203]

This is not a simple revive. This is freedom.

[@Nappanaia]

Karlach telling you she's proud of you makes it worth it in all instances.

[@glowhoo9226]

I can’t fr over her looking like the resident evil 4 merchant

[@firebreathingguy561]

AHSHHS she does look like him ​@@glowhoo9226

[@reptardudebro9562]

@@glowhoo9226Karlach: What’re ya buyin’?!” Me: A redemption arc. Karlach: What’re ya sellin’?! Me: My literal life fam.

[@chara2038]

Jergal sure has a soft spot for adventurers that challange Gods... Or at least the evil he once wielded.

[@eagleye2893]

Where the hell was he when Vlaakith Wishes you to death?!

[@chara2038]

There's a difference between boldness and stupidity XD@@eagleye2893

[@Fr0st1989]

@@eagleye2893 he's the one who conjures up the "game over" screen with the option to load a previous save obviously

[@eagleye2893]

@@Fr0st1989 Well that's little consolation considering Vlaakith gets away with Wishing you unless you follow the scripted story moment to the letter.

[@chatarrra7457]

@@eagleye2893well no. You can still refuse to go into the prism and you can directly disrespect her wishes by telling her you won’t do what she tells you to do, you just can’t insult her lol. And you can just not go into the prism when she sets it out for you. When you say ‘I’m not going into the prism’ she’s like ‘I will not be disobeyed!!!! But still maybe your autonomy will lead you to the right path if your words won’t’ or something

[@Shikyonaito]

As someone who who grew up playing the original games - when Jaheira finished off her speech with her catch phrase "... Nature's servant awaits." I was struck by a huge wave of nostalgia. Larian has created a fantastic story for a new generation but also has written a love letter to us older gamers who grew up with Baldur's Gate. Damn I love this game!

[@Azumgi]

Same, Im now replaying BG1 and 2 and its great to experience this games again with new context. I kinda wished that there was a way to meet Gorion's Ward because I romanced Jaheira in BG2 so it would be nice to see them reunited. Or maybe few more cameos from older characters.

[@thecursed01]

@@Azumgi my condolences for having to play ad&d rules :) though 5e made some terrible things too compared to 3.5, especially magic that lasts more than one round

[@mattmark94]

too bad those idiots at WotC killed off the previous protagonist *offscreen*

[@Shikyonaito]

@@mattmark94 aye, I would've loved to go full circle with DUrge and run into the Bhaalspawn from BG1 & 2 and have a confrontation with them. THAT would make for an amazing climactic battle

[@sterlingwirth7931]

Imoen would have been nice to meet

[@danielrobinson7872]

I enjoy that Larian gave Jergal some proper love. Although not talked about often in D&D, he will eventually have the largest role in the cosmic hierarchy at the end of everything.

[@gasalpha879]

Jergal is inevitable

[@MonstersArcade]

All of these cutscenes were so damn good. I feel that the Durge really is the main character of the game.

[@Azumgi]

He definitely feels more complete than a custom character because the Act 3 of the game really focuses around him and his backstory so playing as custom seems like you are missing out on a lot context of the game story.

[@exantiuse497]

Imo Dark urge should have been the default main character. It's the only origin that feels like a continuation to the original games where the protagonist was Bhaal's spawn, and it gets so much extra content compared to custom or the other origin chracters I picked custom origin because that's the best option in almost all RPGs. I decided I would never play Dark Urge because I thought it was some meme origin where you were forced to be super evil, and spoiled myself on all the special stuff. Instantly regretted it because the story was actually really good and now I can't experience it fresh anymore

[@Azumgi]

@@exantiuse497 Yea they really should gave better description for Durge. I played as custom and after few hours i made a new game because i fucked up Karlach romance and picked Durge because someone said he is really good and i promised myself that no matter how fucked up he will bee I wont restart the game and after Alfira death i got hooked into the story because i realised that Durge is a Bhallspawn at that point. With the diffrence that in BG1 and 2 its more of the story of good guy becoming evil where in BG3 Its evil becoming good.

[@MsPokemonKO]

@@exantiuse497 Look, I understand what you mean, but I have seen how people reacted to Alfira's death. They would not take it if this was the only origin that allowed for custom classes. Trust me, it would have caused major issues.

[@quantras2673]

I believe Tav was always meant to be a Bhaalspawn but at some point in development they decided to let you play as just a normal adventurer as well. Honestly I hope Durge convinces Larian to do more origin characters like this. Having a character you can customize with a more tailored story like Durge is more interesting to me then playing the game but one of the pre made companions is the main character now.

[@thecheck968]

I named my Dark Urge Dhawn, in dnd lore, it means plague. Perfect, a cute name with a dark double meaning just like my character. But I could have *never* imagined the payoff for her name. Wither's speech at 16:04 had me in tears. All at once, her name became the embodiment of the new life she fought for and the friends who gave her hope that it was even possible

[@Just_som_Ottur]

:,) Tell me, you rename her Dawn, didn’t you?

[@thecheck968]

​@@Just_som_Ottur Well technically she was originally named Dhaun before I morphed the two versions

[@theshadowthie1]

From what language ​@@thecheck968?

[@thecheck968]

@@theshadowthie1 drow, I’m pretty sure

[@GattsBerserkArmor]

Dark Urge is the game's main character. A whole trilogy of baalspawn rebelling against their father.

[@randomfandomcreator2376]

4:37 Omg! The expressions are so good! The dragonborn race is surprising the most expressive in this game! I love it!

[@SuperKratosgamer]

Yeah, the expressions are good, but the drgaonborn is the less expressive of them.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

It just makes me more disappointed that the dark urge doesnt exist as a companion. The voice actor and the relation you could have with tav could have been unique

[@figgot1571]

So that's what you look like when you do intimidation rolls.

[@glowhoo9226]

So I think it’s safe to say that the mc is unofficially Jergal’s chosen

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

15:55 is one of my favorite lines in the whole game. "...when victory is won, I swear I shall find thee a home." Withers talks about giving your soul goddamned Divine Salvation and/or a fitting afterlife the same way I might talk about fostering a stray cat, and I absolutely adore him for it.

[@Era-Core]

Playing as The Dark Urge pretty much feels like the canonical way to play Baldur's Gate 3, since the previous Baldur's Gate games also featured the Dead Three as major plot devices, and The Dark Urge makes the story even more interesting as it tries to fight the urge within itself as a Spawn of Bhaal, given a chance for redemption through amnesia, all done by that disgusting and pathetic asshole of a mass murderer Orin.

[@Andrew_Waples]

Everyones voice is so dark and moody. Meanwhile, Karlach:" I'm so damned proud of you!"

[@bluyu]

And thus, Yenna became the new Bhaal's Chosen, for she brought her own paring knife.

[@MR.LMR1996]

What I love about the Dark Urge path is how much their journey mirrors the journey that the rest of our companions have been on. We're not on a journey to just have our parasites removed. We're on a journey to free ourselves from both our past and oncoming tyrants. The Dark Urge's bloodlust is a tyrannical influence on our mind just as much as the horrors that Karlach, Astarion, Lae'zel, Shadowheart and Wyll endured from their past choices and the choices made for them. This is why I can't do an Evil Dark Urge run. As to resisit the Dark Urge, as well as helping the friends we've made on our journey resist and defy their personal demons and tyrants, is an act of rebellion one must follow to be finally free. It is better to be free then it is to be powerful. I'd say that's the theme I got from the overarching narrative of Baldur's Gate 3 in the journey our party members have been on.

[@saamjaza1742]

If your friends, your closest compatriots in this dreadful time, can rise up and overcome their own trauma, growing stronger for it, on what right have you to not do the same?

[@Fr0st1989]

"A hero has risen from the legacy of death" seems like a little call back to Act 1's "Such raw hatred for life, born from death" xD

[@ywiz8135]

No, it was a recall of bg1 and bg2's main character, who was also a good aligned Bhaalspawn.

[@tooth2887]

I JUST REALIZED YOU NAMED THE MC FUCKING DOVAHKIN. THAT IS SUCH A GOOD FUCKING NAME HOLY SHIT

[@T3hS14ppy]

Orin: Bhaal demands a duel My Oath of Vengeance Pally Durge: bet.

[@NoName-ym5zj]

>You should've trained harder master! >Durge: One-shots Orin.

[@New_Dawn73]

Open hand, Monk go crazy orin did not know what was coming

[@MegaManXPoweredUp]

​@@New_Dawn73"You want my life? My blood? You're gonna have to settle for these hands instead."

[@New_Dawn73]

@@MegaManXPoweredUp damn straight hands all the way

[@christopherjones5700]

I'm not gonna lie, as amazing as her voice actress is, and how cool her character design is (being the hottest Chosen notwithstanding...) The Dark Urge would have been a fascinating NPC to encounter similar to the other options, he would have been the ONLY dragonborn worth mentioning, and he would also be able to use any of the 8 custom character voice options to avoid conflicting with a default Tav's. Although Tav's voice is so rare to hear that even if it was literally the same guy I don't think anyone would really care.

[@skynet0912]

Withers is like Captain America: "If they hurt you, hurt them back! If you get killed... walk it off!"

[@jcosmozd]

When i first saw this after playing BG1 and 2 it gave me the immediate and immense feeling of “HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN”

[@Regular_Everyday_Normal_MF]

“You don’t deserve the Murder Lord’s Blessing!” “Fool… I AM THE MURDER LORD.” …at least that’s how my first playthough went. Come on. We all want to be the bad guy sometimes.

[@theterrorofdimensions1326]

"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax

[@DJGTgaming]

As a monk, I just spammed topple and stunning strike and Orin was stun locked the whole fight.

[@artorious5321]

I never get tired of this scene, 10/10 would play it again

[@pablothecoffeelover2551]

BROOOO THE DRAGONBORN VOICE SOUND AMAZING

[@D3NIAL_DEN14L]

Wow thats crazy, you could select the dark urge path and you could have a redemption arc??? IDK why but I wasn't expecting such depth, but since there already are so many things possible in this game I never imagined I guess I shouldn't be surprised haha. I am still probably going to go full dark urge because I was originally going to go fully evil. maybe Ill try redemption some time later.

[@Azumgi]

TBH the game feels better if you resist the urges. The companions have a lot of new dialogue especially Jaheira and Minsc and the romance has some really emotional scenes. I loved Red Dead Redemption 2 and DU story was on par if not the better of Arthur's. Also the Act 3 is amazing if you play as DU because this is where you learn a lot about his past and man it was probably even better than the main plot of the game.

[@Dodovacer]

@@Azumgi I imagine so - after all this seems to be much closer to BG 1 and 2. Since it was so long ago - and I was a child when I played BG1 and 2 I did not realize it then how dark some of the story is... and the graphic at the time also helped. But here it is all on display and a much more truthful BG experience. For that reason I also started my DU game this weekend.

[@spaceerror_3571]

Wait, isn’t that the main goal of dark-urge play though?

[@adamburow726]

@@spaceerror_3571 Murder Hobo Playthrough

[@Palumtra]

You don't have to play as the Dark Urge to be a murder hobo, but it indeed offers a lot more brtuality options than "normal" playtroughs. As the name suggests, and that's the beauty of it, it only gets as dark as the player wants it to be. The fact that the original appearance is also a white/pale dragonborn almost feels like a small Paarthurnax reference from Skyrim, a dragon who overcame his own evil nature by himself.

[@IAmNumber4000]

The part where the Dragonborn speaks is so cool!

[@miqotelover]

Gosh this game truly is incredible. It needs to win several game of the year awards for the writing, and script.

[@VOXindie]

Game is trash.

[@marquisepixley684]

​@@VOXindietroll

[@yasiegonlastie5483]

Congratulations chief, how we feeling?

[@miqotelover]

Feeling good BG3 won GOTY :D@@yasiegonlastie5483

[@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs]

So it was written, and so it is.

[@cletusmcyeetus5975]

I find it funny how your companions just stand there looking at you dead

[@allecsgaut8161]

You know, I read that Withers is hinted to be Jergal, or at least connected to him. For him to be moved by this, wow

[@equinoxxed_7502]

it is all but confirmed, he IS jergal. and he fucking hates the dead three. So for Durge to defy bahl only to die is a big no no for him.

[@connorhilchie2779]

​@equinoxxed_7502 as someone with zero DnD knowledge why dies he hate them so much?

[@allecsgaut8161]

@connorhilchie2779 My guess is that because the dead three try to change the nature of death too much. That their selfish desires disrupt the balance

[@metaadinfinitum]

@@connorhilchie2779 Jergal was the original god of death, but handed over his portfolio to the three mortals who would become Baahl, Myrkul and Bane. He's kinda watched them act like little chaotic murder hobo children with it since, so he holds them in a lot of contempt-- like watching three people do his old job completely incompetently.

[@NoahFaulkner-m8m]

4:29 Note that the appearance or whatever Mimic looking spell that is doesn't have the Withered appearance of the Character so that means if they were to impersonate the Dark urge they wouldn't even fool anyone especially without the scars

[@Azumgi]

I think he has no illithid veins not because she cant fake them but because its just Orin mocking him and acting like him BEFORE he lost his memory to show him how far he have fallen. She ACTS like old you to mock you that everything you have achived was undone by her and only by her. Or it could be that im just overanalyzing it and the devs just forgot about the veins.

[@loserinasuit7880]

That's just because Orin takes your character creation model and not the active model. I don't think she recreates Volo's eye either.

[@XLR108]

her shapshiftnig into you makes me wish that maybe dialogue being voiced by Tav would have been really cool

[@skeletonking4119]

16:06 honesty this is so much motivation and self growth!

[@LivingDewCrew]

Oh I get it now. if you reject the entire path she takes all your blessings. I had done everything and rejected the blessing at the end so I never got to see Orin's slayer form

[@eagleye2893]

I had no idea that Orin's Slayer Form was determinant on whether you actually got it yourself. I always assumed Orin would enter Slayer Form regardless if you got it or not (not that I would ever sacrifice one of my companions to get it)

[@Strykenine]

The Dark Urge as Dragonkin is just fantastic and menacing. It was my first playthrough, too.

[@adamgoyer2077]

Thank you for posting this. I didn't realize the Durge has this kind of redemption path. Much Gratitude.

[@lawrencefosterjenkins8216]

Something very satisfying about that killing blow being a cantrip

[@hal64738]

I haven't finished the game with the dark urge but i love watching these videos as if it was a tv serie about Dungeons and Dragons. And it's incredible how they gave so much depth to the whole Forgotten Realms pantheon and lore

[@Ryank117]

Pretty cool that you can play a redemption arc through it. I might try playing paladin with dark urge and resist

[@anders8461]

Oath of vengeance against Bhaal? Damn it sounds so good ngl

[@ManforSomeMarkets]

You may or may not break your oath at least once in Act 1

[@IIC7]

Paladin Durge is pretty fun and engaging storywise. My paladin who has these terrible thoughts is doing everything he can to prevent another innocent life from being taken like a certain hopeful bard. It's actually because of what happened my character became a paladin 2/bard 10 by Act 3 all the while using her lute. My paladin/bard did become an oathbreaker but the first time I used the oathbreaker channel oath was on Orin. Let me tell you that fight and this scene was absolutely surreal.

[@blancat.7174]

I truly recommend to break your Oath at some point because the Oathbreaker NPC has great dialogue options and the lore behind why you are an Oathbreaker Paladin is juicy af. I honestly consider Oathbreaker Paladin the canon job for Good Durge because the lore and how well it works narratively makes the most sense.

[@soham3025]

Baldur's Gate 3 casually having another Major Milestone - the Redemption Arc of a born evil

[@seeinred]

So Seceleritas is indeed immortal. Which in turn would made him one of the Bhaal's avatars. Lesser one, but still. Huh.

[@BeAsTMoDE528]

how is him being immortal evidence hes bhaals avatar he became bhaals avatar after the fight. u dumb.

[@1337penguinman]

This storyline kinda reminds me of Spawn.

[@RazielTheUnborn]

I mean, dude tells you that many of his favorite deaths are by your own hands.

[@RazielTheUnborn]

@howardchang5106 He is quite sincere so long as you embrace your inheritance. He only gets two faced when you keep pushing off your urge.

[@asbest2092]

maybe he is just a fiend like showel. He lives in hell but may travel to the normal plane, and any demon/fiend from hell can not die in the normal plane, it simply moves them back to hell from where they can return again

[@avenreir]

I almost didn't watch this because I haven't beaten Durge for myself yet, but I'm not one to be thrown off because of spoilers. I'm so glad I watched and I'm so excited to see all of this for myself. I'm so glad that Durge gets a second chance if they reclaim themself and stand up for what's right. Withers FTW.

[@Azumgi]

Dont worry there are more plot twists in the Dark Urge playthrough especially at the act 2/3 and the end game.

[@crepooscul]

Dovahkiin. Dragonborn. Heh

[@Azumgi]

Now that I think of it, I should have named him Paarthurnax. 😄

[@b_is_alive]

@@Azumgi “What is better: to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?”

[@Sauron_Zigur]

I really like how Jergal calls Durge "Child of none" and "Challenger of Gods".

[@DriftScale]

The crazy part is he rejects not only bhaal.. he rejected his soul too by becoming half illithid

[@ShinGallon]

Okay now that I know you can have a redemption arc I'm gonna have to do a Durge playthrough next. I'm a sucker for a good redemption arc.

[@Dazdigo]

Urge is clearly Jergal's favorite/chosen!

[@manperson6354]

It's moments like this that make me think durge IS the canon version of tav, and larian decided to separate the two in case people didnt want another bhaalspawn as the protagonist.

[@CandyHatsuneWolff]

Why did I not think of the name Dovahkiin? 😭😭 It's perfect. Though I guess it caught me off guard; my brain stopped as it had a "does not compute" moment. "Wait, this isn't... isn't this the wrong game?" 🤣

[@xrunner55]

Sororocide awaits, he gives it away what Orin is.

[@lucasvhinever2817]

Having Karlach cover her beautiful face in these cutscenes should get ur saves erased from steam lmao (only half kidding)

[@Azumgi]

I thought that she looked more badass in that outfit 🥺

[@EmXena315]

I appreciate that you have the two OG's alongside what I presume is the Romance pick. Adds a lot of substance to this scene. Withers cracked a smile! He witnessed a great legend unfold in real time, and even got to give a huge middle finger to Bhaal.

[@davidtaylor142]

Actual canon ending

[@TheImaggine]

this is exactly why I will never consider any other dark urge run as canonically.

[@gar-feels4438]

I got to this fight and immediately got killed by Orin, I still defeated them after but it was far less satisfying to miss this great cutscene

[@Tyrantlizard127]

You know, I get the feeling that Bhaal and his cult were inspired in no small way by Khorne.

[@0jutai]

I wish we could play through the game with Durge as a companion, rather than having to play him ourselves. I'd love to be able to have my character interact with him, and guide him.

[@richardshiflett5181]

Durge would succumb to their Urge if they weren't player controlled.

[@eagleye2893]

​@@richardshiflett5181Going by Companion logic. We'll probably need to pass a check to convince Durge to fight back. Or have Max Affinity with Him (Going by Default Durge being a Male Albino Dragonborn Sorcerer using Voice 5)

[@WasaWasabiWasa]

I think it's more interesting the way it is honestly. I think Durge should be the canonical Tav.

[@anomitas]

Nah bhaalspawn has been the stapple mc since bg1

[@elongatedsedation324]

I rejected Bhaal just because I was playing as a manipulative dragonborn sorcerer who despises being someone's slave due to being a Dragonborn (Dragonborns were the slaves of dragons), and I still decided to be the biggest asshole I could so that my actions were truly my own and not some stupid God's.

[@badbadthingss]

Dragonborns were actually the humans that CHOSE to serve the dragons instead of being enslaved, hence why they were turned into half Dragons.

[@voyagersmarch8776]

I feel like Dark Urge redemption arc is the canon mc

[@flabbergasted6231]

I think if I ever get the game and play as the dark urge I will make my character look similar to Orin but much less gross lol.

[@JYDWolf]

You should have acted. They're already here. The Elder Scrolls told of their return. Their defeat was merely a delay, 'Til the time after Oblivion opened, When the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood. But no one wanted to believe, Believe they even existed. And when the truth finally dawned, It dawns in fire! But, there is one they fear, In their tongue he is Dovahkiin: DRAGONBORN!

[@gavincarothers595]

This is the most without a doubt the most pain in the ass Boss foght in the game, as well as the most hardest ones I've ever played through, once as Durge, twice as Karlach.

[@IamTheCursedKing]

I wanted the dark urge power but not submit to some pathetic god. Redeemed myself but continued to kill everything in sight

[@yusufkaradag8983]

Well bhaal was not that pathetic you know yeah as a character he is but he was too strong before cyric killed him after he return from death he become weaker

[@radicalmarxist9909]

Dark Urge looks awesome.

[@ryncores1803]

So pretty much the dead 3 got greedy in their hunger for souls that they almost ruined the mortal realm and still would have lost as mindflaters have no souls.

[@Azumgi]

*Spoiler warning* Later on you learn from the brain that Dark Urge never wanted to control it. He wanted the city to be slaughtered by it and become Bhall chosen but Orin kinda ruined it for him. Basically the same thing Sarevok wanted in BG1. Its kinda ironic that person that caused everything saved everyone in the end.

[@hideakiakio6698]

​@@Azumgiexcept I'm pretty sure seravok in bg1 did not want to become his chosen he wanted to usurp him

[@Azumgi]

@@hideakiakio6698 yes you are right but I meant that Sarevok wanted a slaughter of many people just like a Dark Urge.

[@Krystalocke]

Do you think that Withers gave up his position as the God of Death for similar reasons? Eventually growing tired of answering the prayers of murderers and sinners, hoping that one day someone would turn against their nature and seek redemption, but they never did.

[@Azumgi]

Kinda ironic that the most irredeemable character of them all was the one that reedemed himself.

[@Shalltear773]

I think he simply became bored and tired of being a god of death and all the power that brings with it

[@thomash8408]

I did this duel with a storm/oathbreaker sorcedin, and my god, it was super funny. Orin couldn’t even get me below half my health, mainly because I went to the house of hope and got a bunch of goodies.

[@kimidoriglove5761]

I also play white dragon dark urge and reject Bhaal 😆

[@oblivionsweeper]

I wished you gained a form that is opposite to the Slayer form for the redemption arc, it seems like a waste to lose that kind of power🤔.

[@Azumgi]

There is a book that Volo gives you when you save him that explains how some Bhallspawns managed to trick the Bhall into giving them Slayer Form while keeping their mind sane. Also Gorions Ward also could become a Slayer in BG2 but he had trouble controlling his form and few times you lost control over your character even if you are good. Its weird that Durge cant be a Slayer as a good guy, maybe they give us a option when defenitive edition comes out.

[@glowhoo9226]

@@Azumgiit’s because the slayer isn’t a form you take. You’re letting something possess you when you transform.

[@Tonatheos]

The illithid displacer beast form was enough for me

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

That's the point, Durge's gift is a second chance at life, a normal mortal without connections to Bhaal.

[@DanteD84]

And here I thought The a Dark Urge was just some dumb murder hobo character, he’s actually really important

[@mausolus8466]

"Thou art now faithless - godless - and doomed to wander the Fugue Plane for eternity" wait, does that mean that, at long last, Wall of Faithless has been removed from the Forgotten Realms universe? I mean, wandering Fugue Plane for eternity is not exactly picnic, but it still beats fate of being turn into brick in wall that slowly erodes your consciousness.

[@Shalltear773]

I think the Wall was, in fact, destroyed because Kelemvor wanted a more "fair" fate for the faithless

[@mausolus8466]

@@Shalltear773 I've read that Kelemvor was quite benevolent god, but it also caused him to be bullied by those a-holes from Circle of Greater Gods, which lead to Fugue Plane being turned into grim, joyless place with that damned Wall installed by Myrkul. If Kelemvor choose to dimantle the Wall, wouldn't Circle of Greater Gods come to knock on his door again?

[@Shalltear773]

@@mausolus8466 maybe? All I know is he removed it and it wasn't ever rebuilt

[@solarRinn]

Why tf the Dead Three are all assholes, but Jergal, who actually was all three in one person, so to speak, is so much of a wholesome guy?

[@Azumgi]

Because Bhall Bane and Myrkul used to be a mortals and they achived godhood and on top of that they were pretty evil, especially Bhall who was just a human serial killer.

[@nikogarcia201]

Before their ascension to godhood, Bane was a cruel tyrant, Baal was a serial killer and a rapist and myrkul was a necromancer with a god complex as well as a mad scientist. Godhood change nothing about their personality.

[@Shalltear773]

because as fellow commenters have already said, the Dead Three have always been assholes ever since they were mortal whereas Jergal probably wasn't. if he was just as bad as them at some point then his time as a death god clearly forged him into the calm and kind individual we know today. he is a very, VERY old figure who's probably at a point in his existence where he treasures kindness, wisdom, etc more than probably any other death god we see in DnD or other settings. this is just a guess. no concrete proof

[@cakeyeater7392]

Its unfortunate Jaheira died in the assault on moonrise in my playthrough.

[@belial1821]

There should be a dlc where the long mission should be to kill bhaal for good.

[@jeremytitus9519]

Sororicide awaits!

[@BlackAirProductions]

Now i want to know what happens if you dominate the brain after doing this

[@Azumgi]

@@BlackAirProductions Same thing as if you were Tav but New patch will include new evil endings. If you became bhall chossen and still want to destroy the brain then you will have to unalive yourself or you will get a horrible ending.

[@jackriley6802]

Withers always comes in clutch

[@InnerFire6213]

Never interested in the dark urge play through but with this redemption arc i might give it a try after all.

[@Azumgi]

There is missconception about Dark Urge being a "evil playthrough" and thats wrong. Dark Urge is a origin for people that played older games and want their characters to have some kind of backstory. There is only one scene when you have no control over your actions at the act 1 to show you how dangerous your character really is. Its still possible to save the groove, lift the shadow curse etc. as the Dark Urge.

[@hangman4011]

I'm almost certain your dialogue option is an Avatar: The Last Airbender reference about inflicting agony tenfold, similar to Iroh saying the same to General Zhao.

[@4ksandknives]

IIRC, Dark Urge was the original Tav, but Larian changed it up last minute.

[@howsad2397]

Shouldn't've honestly

[@quantras2673]

Honestly Larian should go with the approach they took to the Dark Urge for future games. I don't personally care about playing the entire game as say Astarion, but if I could have a custom character who was a spawn who broke free? I'd be more interested in that.

[@ElMassi666]

Man Geralt was being kind of a dick here

[@TheSaphireKatana]

I wonder what astarions reaction is?

[@empirednw6624]

Sadly you couldn’t save your crazy butler too😢. Would have been cool if you could have made him normal too.

[@Shalltear773]

would've been nice but there was probably just too much of Bhaal in him. not enough of what ended up growing in the durge during their travels that allowed Withers to save the character, I think.

[@Tonatheos]

I'm sure he'll be fine, doesn't he just respawn in hell? No one said you can't hang out anymore

[@ninjachannel007]

Withers Ex Machina.

[@matthewsimmons9277]

What point is there to resist if saving the female silver Dragonborn bard is impossible?

[@Azumgi]

To protect further victims from yourself.

[@TehLightraven]

To motivate the player to resist and to make the urges feel like an actual threat? It's not like the dragonborn bard matters anyway since they were created solely to be killed in that scene by durge.

[@Enkarashaddam]

Yeah but you killed Alfira so there can be no redemption

[@Azumgi]

You have no control over her death and you can show remorse multiple times for killing her in the game. Her death was a reason why Dark Urge tried to resist the urges. And don't forget that if it was not for Withers he would be dead.

[@Krovos_]

Dark Urge literally says he will always remember Alfira at the end of the game if you do the good route.

[@Jurgir09]

F. Alfira and everything she stands for. Would do it again even after redemption

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

18:10, what if you thank him??

[@occultcenturion1131]

What armor is your Dark Urge wearing?

[@Azumgi]

Reapers Embrace. Armor that drops from Kethric.

[@drakearvidsson6936]

The withers isn’t a good guy.He merely saves you since there he has a famous adventurer to do what would otherwise be his own job.If you play as the dark urge even more so since he can then snatch bhaals prodigy into his own fold under the pretense of kinship.He is a true god.He could have anyone in the realms bend the knee to him.He choose the dark urge only to spit in the said faces of his own former coworkers the dead three that he himself choose to carry his own power before he weakened himself out of boredom.He saves the dark urge because it’s convinient. More so to the point illithid’s do not have souls in the traditional sense.Jergal the withers what ever you prefer to call him does not save you because he wants to help you as a friend.The dead three’s plans interferes with his own domain as much.As it does with the other pantheon gods in the story

[@Shalltear773]

"Withers isn't a good guy." yet all evidence points to the exact opposite of your claim. he didn't have the durge bend the knee in any way. no demands of fealty or worship or any bending the knee sort of thing. and if you've been paying attention, he's not that petty about these things and clearly doesn't care if someone worships him or not. so unless you're trolling, actually pay attention to the character.

[@drakearvidsson6936]

@@Shalltear773 He doesen’t need you to bend the knee because he has everything he needs & you will do his bidding regardless of the said circumstances if you payed any attention to the endings of the game where gale or any of the other said companions goes to ruin his party. You’d know this.He simply waves his hand & sends you off to wonderland. You have no said power that can be compared to his own.You aren’t needed not really.He uses you so that he does not need to get into a conflict with the more powerful entities like Ao or the nether brain.That’s all

[@Shalltear773]

@@drakearvidsson6936 since you're so adamant in your belief he isn't a good person and he's just using you; provide evidence. The whole party thing isn't even about what you're making it into either. The party is meant to be a special occasion for everyone and not even regular mortals normally tolerate party ruiners any better than having them removed from the area. The rest was never about "doing his bidding" because to do someone's bidding is to be commanded by that person. notice Withers never once commands or gives orders. plus it's painfully obvious he's not there to use and manipulate you if you pay attention to his words and actions rather than just the fact he's a former deity. Users and manipulators, be they god or mortal, behave very, very differently from a figure like Withers. Finally, he's basically in a conflict with the netherbrain simply by allying with and aiding you against it, such as by reviving fallen companions, allowing you to change class and thus adapt your character if needed, etc. Conflict doesn't necessarily require every participant to be an active combatant.

[@Shalltear773]

@@drakearvidsson6936 funny that my response was hidden when all I did was request proof for your claim while I was also disproving it. The party situation was supposed to be a special occasion for everyone. Not even a mortal would tolerate a hostile participant without kicking them out. Plus we were never doing his bidding. To do someone's bidding is to be commanded or ordered by them. Withers did neither. Plus by allying himself with and aiding you, he places himself in conflict with the netherbrain. Not every participant in a conflict has to be an active combatant so long as they're giving one side or the other their aid somehow. Plus he's no longer a true deity, thus he has no domain to worry about. He gave up his entire portfolio to the Dead Three, so he's not bound by the laws Ao had set for the gods which is why he was allowed to be there throughout the sequence of events in person. His role was simply to aid you in a non-combat role to help keep your party alive with resurrections and such. Final edit: just noticed you actually called the Dead Three his coworkers originally, so now I know you're either a troll or truly have no idea what you're even talking about at all.

[@drakearvidsson6936]

@@Shalltear773 Yet gale remains positive that mystra could defeat the elder brain if she was allowed to by Ao.That was before he was made into a god by the crown of karsus. Even so mystra still took issue with gales ascension.Yet all the withers had to do.To defeat gale the dekarios was weave his own hand before he sent the god off to lala land.Which proves to me that he’s holding out on us as a team or he simply isn’t nearly as serious about the situation as he claims to be Final edit:I’m not the only one to call the dead three the withers coworkers.Also i’m not the one to go into mortal kombat mode over a video game.It’s a game.Greatest game of all time.But still just a game.

[@Tyrantlizard127]

What was your character's class? Looks like a fighter/paladin multiclass, but I'm not so certain.

[@Azumgi]

Pure Fighter with Eldritch Knight subclass

[@Tyrantlizard127]

@@Azumgi Gotcha.

[@justachad6494]

THANK YOU for asking lol. Came here searching and glad I found it.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

It was fun, but I really hated what they had to do to get here, make my choices in BG I & II meaningless. Redeeming Sarevok? Meaningless. Choosing mortality for my Bhaalspawn? Meaningless. Redeeming Viconia? Meaningless. Thanks WotC & Larian.

[@AchillesofOblivion]

Womp womp

[@DiegoBPiquer]

All of those things Where decided as canon by wotc befare bg3 started development

[@danaramand7552]

Is Bhaal voice also the Witcher's one? 😮

[@Azumgi]

Yep its Doug Cockle who voices Geralt of Rivia.