When Catfishing Went Too Far: The Story of Renae Marsden | Australian Crime Stories | TCC

[@kerrieleidig]

Wait. It's believed that she threw her own phone over before jumping, but purposely left behind her OLD phone, a valentine from "brayden" & a msg on her window dirt "I love you brayden" to make sure everyone knows she did this over heartbreak for "brayden"? NO ONE thinks Camila lured her there & pushed her over, then sent 3 messages from her phone & threw that over as well? Why would she have done her makeup if she was planning to jump?

[@cuekinaja]

Wow... that's a plausible theory.

[@OneBadAssMoMo]

This makes sense.

[@catgiles3268]

Good point. That, to me, makes more sense!

[@meghanm5000]

Very good point..I’m curious if they’ve thought about that. Cuz that definitely makes sense.

[@CoachCreesh]

Sadly, there has been cases where some people (mainly women) who commit sui$!de will get dressed and do their makeup before taking pills to od.

[@roxiegs348]

If you can’t FaceTime someone or see them in person, that’s a HUGE red flag. Period.

[@kaylajury5001]

Especially after your friend breaks up your perfect relationship and then sets you up with someone you've never met, never mind the fact that he's in prison. The whole story is fishy af and Camila is a psycho

[@SM-ef5rl]

True

[@TheBasedCanadian]

100%

[@rebeccabejenaru]

That also goes for if you've seen them before, but then they ghost, or play Narcissist games. Been through both. Never been worth it....not even close.

[@davidwright873]

The dad. Should a known better

[@angelarose6602]

Camilla can't just walk away from this as a free woman. She has to be treated the same as a male stalker. This beautiful family deserve justice. Shame on the Australian justice system!

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

​@@NonWokeOr the same criminal penalties in any case. Female privilege is not only real, it can be easily proven by family court, divorce court, alimony, criminal penalties, etc. Basically anything men and women use together, women are at a significant and easily tracked advantage.

[@livinfuller]

Agree….I’m so confused why the police didn’t freeze her phone acct, or charge her with premeditated manslaughter. She literally planned everything out then mentally abused /controlled her to her death.

[@WinterDanielle_xo]

​@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916😊

[@c.a.greene8395]

​@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916sorry dude, there is no female privilege in family court issues - it's CHILD PRIVILEGE Men enter court complaining about the loss of ownership and their personal rights INSTEAD of speaking to the rights of the child to know it's father... Most men only want custody to control or harm the wife for leaving them... Judges give the main caregiver of the child custody...and do you know why? Besides being lazy parents 99% of men do not know their own children's birthdates, they do not know their children's full legal names, nor their ages, they don't know the doctors, or teachers names, allergies, medications, or the names of their teachers or friends... Dad's know very little about their own kids because dad's are lazy parents who only need to show up to get kudos, women on the other hand spend 24/7/365 days a year with their children... Men are selfish parents who always put their own needs before the children... Children raised by single fathers are raised by babysitters, or dad's latest squeeze, grandma or strangers...these fathers are so selfish they would deny their own children the love and care of a mother...

[@c.a.greene8395]

Why not? Guys have been using gay privileges over straights for ever... The first cat fisher killed the man with his car, he got free surgery, transitioned into a woman and then was given woman of the year award... A MAN named Chris Jenner...he was caught and feared being exposed, so he waited for the man to leave his house and ran him over with his car...he got a free pass...even won awards and over 1 million dollars for free surgeries... Sure sounds like gay privilege to me...

[@MzLaDonna75]

Catfishing all by itself should be a crime that's stealing someone's identity and pretending to be them under false pretense.

[@vicg.2585]

They don’t need to steal an identity they create one. Lying is not a felony, girls should open their eyes and be more realistic. You are falling in love with who? a creation? Make sure to meet the person and then you can embark in a relationship. Meet him first and then his family. If he is serious he will not have any excuses.

[@MzLaDonna75]

@@vicg.2585 did you not look at this video? I know what people are capable of! She STOLE a man's image and pretended to be him. I'm speaking about this case. Making up an identity that's not identity theft! Identity theft is taking the identity of another human being and using it for your own purposes! And lying isn't a crime!

[@vicg.2585]

@@MzLaDonna75 I was talking about how easy it is for some young women to fall for liars without even meeting them. To me this says more about the young woman than any liar. I understand the need to protect the victims but how would the law do that? Nobody is responsible for her suicide, regardless of how tragic.

[@veilandreveal]

Amen

[@veilandreveal]

@@MzLaDonna75like this it should be

[@janicevictor7414]

Their police department needs a tech guy. How embarassing that a 13 year old found a way to crack open the case?

[@lisajones2412]

and how come they couldnt find the deleted messages, isnt there always an IT trace of everything??

[@littlepeky]

😂😂😂😂😂 I thought the same

[@user-gj1me4mf5c]

PD's simply can't pay the $100 per person app fee. They can do this, but taxpayers can't afford this b.s.

[@user-gj1me4mf5c]

@Lisa Jones Depending on your carrier, it gets deleted pretty quickly.

[@auzieblo]

​@@user-gj1me4mf5c I hope you're being sarcastic, right?

[@boutaina18]

The fact that anyone would marry Camilla and have children with her after all of this is bizarre to me. Not only does the family need to get justice but I’m concerned for the children she’s raising

[@cathyhunter1263]

She's crazy

[@MishaMishaSoprano]

She will destroy their lives, one way or another. Narcissists abuse everyone in their path. Every human is just another appliance to be used. HG Tudor is a great source of education on this. Wouldn't be surprised to find that she used pregnancies to ensnare her victim. I personally know one who used 8 children to ensnare her victims.

[@OntarioBearHunter]

Karla Homolka has kids and volunteered at her kids school when they were young

[@thunder05kokey13]

She is evil

[@Tropicanax7x]

Like the Casey Anthony case. I think it takes someone who has an open heart to everyone, obviously, to be open to hearing their side of the story, and I'm sure Camilla had painted a prettier picture for him.

[@jenniferlange5616]

It’s pretty brilliant how her dad analyzed the messages for patterns in communication.

[@ellaella5537]

It is

[@normacook8325]

It's a shame the family had to do everything--searched and found her shoes, found the pattern in the texts, found the app to unlock her phone...😢 They should be commended on their perseverance!

[@malaika4960]

And to the 13 year old who helped crack the code.

[@yeseniapastor7165]

Yes he loved her and care not like the police

[@clairecooper197]

I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone could be so wicked. I hope she is haunted by her actions for the rest of her life. What a despicable human. I can’t believe someone married that evil woman, how will their children feel when they learn the truth about their mother! RIP kind soul. Sending love to your friends and family. ❤❤ keep fighting for justice. xxxxx

[@randomperson1943]

When i met my now fiancé on a dating app, we both insisted on video calls without makeup or filters and such to prove we were real. Everyone should do that. When we met in person, i made sure my grandfather was present. I told my gramps every location we were going to, and the addresses for those places. I called him when we arrived and left each location. Be safe out there

[@robertkrepek2561]

Calling isn't present.

[@mycrazylife408]

i need to start asking every woman i meet online to facetime me without making before we meet because you guys are two whole different people with makeup 😂

[@sophiacalon3463]

@@mycrazylife408or date women who don’t wear make up instead of getting with women you only find attractive made up.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Ive heard of people being clubbed to death but CATFISHED?????

[@ZoeDark-ed5ym]

Why don't people meet the old fashioned way anymore?The normal way and not online.

[@suze6083]

The saddest part about Renee’s passing is, that she was robbed of a possibly wonderful life with this sweet soul Angus.

[@beverlydawson7746]

I was thinking the same thing .

[@thebetnk]

Oh wow she ruined everything for her

[@MrMagoo-rg8er]

Why break up a wonderful relationship your in without any investigation or proof something wrong was being done? Makes no sense to me.

[@blaken2651]

Well she killed herself over a dude she never met. Over an online boyfriend…. I don’t feel bad. Look what she did to her family. Selfish.

[@MadaraUchiha-ly8wr]

That relationship was just crazy🤨

[@RedxRiot]

This is why it’s so important to build up your child’s self esteem so they know they don’t deserve to be treated any kind of way by “friends”

[@cristooreal7996]

I've never been thru domesticcience ,and i don't understand it,why they stay. I say they are weak

[@LifeisaBeautifulting]

@@cristooreal7996 Well you've never been through it, so it's probably not your place to give an opinion

[@stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216]

@@cristooreal7996well there you go, you’ve never been through it. Let me help you with some insight. The part your missing is the abusers most powerful weapon. It’s called “cognitive dissonance” this is where there are two statements that are in direct contradiction with one another but both are equally true to the person experiencing them. A good example of this would be maybe the nurse that smokes. They know it’s bad for them, they plan to quit, but daily life and the stress of their high demand job, they think “it’s ok for a bit longer bc i need to get to XYZ point to quit”. Gaslighting is the other powerful tool they all use. It’s part of how they wear their victims down and skew reality. This is a slow process. If it was a fast process, anyone would see it plain as day and run. In the real world, it’s a slow, painful and methodical process. DV survivors are in fact some of the strongest people you will ever meet. We’ve stared hell in the face and those of us that are lucky, escape alive. We use our stories to help educate people like you and help other survivors escape. Real life DV isn’t like the movies. Our abusers are charming, most of the time they are very intelligent, they wear a facade and mask in every public encounter. The mask is who we fall in love with. By the time it’s clear there’s a problem, many of us are trapped. Bc what narcissists and abusers do is systematically tear you down and back you into a corner. They choose their victims bc their victims are genuinely everything the narcissist could never be. They are light, they are empathy, they are love that’s immeasurable. It starts small enough. Placing doubt that sounds like loving concern that touches your self esteem first, they are masters of triangulation. The reason so many get caught up is because these abusers have their entire lifetime of practicing these toxic manipulations and masks and the victims are engaging in what they believe to be the best or healthiest relationship they have ever had in the beginning. It’s part of that mask and carefully curated. Then they will start slowly taking over every aspect. Financial, social etc. this is called “goalpost shifting”. By the time we realize something is wrong, many of us are so scared, don’t have full access to our funds, or children that they threaten to weaponize. I would implore you to do some research on survivor accounts and how it actually happens rather than making statements from your very limited scope that add to the stigma and harm of actual abuse survivors trying to escape. You haven’t lived it. And I hope you get to continue your bubble where you haven’t experienced it. But just know, it can easily happen to you. You think it can’t and you’re untouchable? You might be at the most risk for it happening with that mindset. That’s how we miss the red flags. Stay safe and blessed and think twice before you put words I to the world on an experience you have never lived 🙏🏼❤️

[@shiiaustria8521]

@@stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216 right on point. I experienced it and this is exactly what it is. That's why is so hard to let go. Add trauma bond also. People miss the good times and tend to ignore the bad times.

[@oaktownstunna]

It's called self-esteem for a reason and not us-esteem, you give them positive affirmation so they don't look for validation outside of themselves. Self-esteem comes from within not from without.

[@Crystalwolf256]

The fact that Camilla gets to have a marriage and family makes my blood boil. She should be in prison

[@DanielaPerez-ru3cz]

Where is this Camila.....now.

[@fortnitepro1414]

Karma will get her

[@goldiebelle]

​@fortnitepro1414 yes, yes it will. She's a creep

[@Miss-Herbs]

Such a beautiful girl. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[@ninnie4357]

Exactly. Makes me sick!! What a worthless piece of garbage. Should be locked Up!!

[@mark8532]

The older I get the less friends I have. I had one friend that for years told me "people are calling you a show off on social media" I got so scared to offend people I completely stopped posting. Mind you growing up everyone knew me as the kid without parents, the kid that wore the same clothes everyday, the kid that was outside homeless at 16 yrs old. I worked hard and built my life from nothing. So you can imagine how humble I am and I only shared a lot of things to motivate others, yet it was so stressful when I thought I possibly had people feeling bad because I'm showing off. My "friend" never told me who are the people that's calling me a showoff. Finally I was throwing a party for my 35th birthday last year and I posted stuff about the party. "My first party in my life" and he called me with the same b.s. I SNAPPED!!! I Said what I had to say and then deactivated ALL social media. And stop keeping in touch with almost everyone today I'm at peace and I cherish the maybe 5 real friends I have.

[@SparklyDogs2]

Why didn’t you just block that one so called friend? You shouldn’t have had to give up your social life because of that one toxic person.😊

[@mark8532]

@@SparklyDogs2 I could have done that but remember he claims "it's people telling him" so blocking him would do nothing because I don't know who these so called "people" are I have over 3k friend and I'm verified on Instagram and Facebook (the blue ✔️). I really left social media because as you know out of sight out of mind and I just want to minimize who I associate with from now on. 😤😔

[@MissAngelaiz]

@@mark8532it’s so much healthier to delete social media 👏 good decision

[@CathieWhitlock]

Your “ friend “ is likely the one calling you a show off.

[@mrsd2950]

@@mark8532 I deleted social media about 6ish years ago, I only use KZbin and it has been fantastic so good for you!

[@piroko13]

The fact that this can’t be shown in Australia, where it should be viewed the most, is at least concerning and speaks volumes of their authorities

[@agirlnamedtomm940]

Why can't it be shown there

[@piroko13]

@@agirlnamedtomm940 KZbin’s local policies in Australia and New Zealand. If you go to this channel’s community tab, their second newest post (about this video) says they’re sorry to the people living there because it can’t be shown there

[@GeeCoach35]

She chose a bad boy that she never met over a real guy who was treating her good.

[@Christa.Francis]

​@@piroko13 OH MY GOSH !! That's absolutely insane that this cannot be shown there !! WOW ! I honestly can't wrap my mind around that ,, I don't understand why .. it makes this story even more sad 😟

[@jcolledge88]

Im in Canada all it shows is sensitive content and to click if i want to continue then it works

[@juliestrickland7754]

Angus looks so happy when he talks about her! He just glows! This thing is SO messed up. I hope Camila gets hers, soon. She's pure evil.

[@Leosmommy19]

He was still holding out hope, he talks like he's still in love with her, so sad. That was wifey right there😢

[@juliestrickland7754]

@@Leosmommy19 Ikr?😢😢

[@primesspct2]

You know shes just controlling her new husband, and anyone else she can. She is a manipulator, and craves any attention and control she can get, she loves the power over others.

[@ingridakerblom7577]

I feel so sorry for him, for them both & what could have been.. He will forever be affected by this. And for what... This sick womans greed

[@ingridakerblom7577]

​@@primesspct2 i bet she will never ever stop..

[@nunyabidnazz2311]

So she threw her phone, then jumped? Gimme a break man. Sounds to me like Camilla set it all up. I don’t for a second believe that Renae jumped. Camilla made sure the phone would never be found, and probably murdered Renae. I cannot believe how quick the Police are to dismiss all of this. What a fkn disgrace!! My heart goes out to this family. Oh the grief and pain they live with, day in and day out. I’m so sorry!

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Lazy cops 😮

[@williamblackfyre4866]

My red flag went off when the narrator said "best friend of 5 years". It's a weird sentence. Most people's best friends are who they knew from childhood. I'm only a few minutes in but it sounds like Camille is Brayden.

[@nunyabidnazz2311]

@@williamblackfyre4866 You nailed it!! That’s why we must always trust our guts/radar! Yours is on point!

[@babyturkey8342]

​@williamblackfyre4866 me and my best friend now of 10 years met at age 25...we didn't know one another as children....that's a weird thing to say

[@elsavaldovinos4073]

Did they even try looking into her best friend or look somewhere for more evidence where the phone is or if a body ever washed up this is all wrong 😢

[@krm8494]

A man in jail with a cellphone? Or constant access to the internet? That should have been a red flag. Give up visiting rights for a reduced sentence? Another red flag.

[@geslinam9703]

First thing that I thought. Though, here in the US, prisoners are now allowed tablets in some states, I believe with limited internet access, but I think they can use email.

[@GSAlchemy]

It happens, but its illegal! Most def not approved like most of the BS Camilla said was.

[@mycrazylife408]

lol you must not be up to date with how it works nowadays. so many prisoners have phones illegally. the prison system doesn’t really care that much.

[@marcella28able]

Never heard of that in my life smh

[@Erdel-qn8il]

​@@mycrazylife408a that's true

[@FreeFalling2d]

The fact that the police force ABSOLUTELY FAILED THIS FAMILY is reprehensible and f***ng disgusting

[@kellilong8075]

Couple of thoughts: 1) This was NOT an ordinary friendship. There was a very deep emotional, abusive connection between these two women. Most friendships develop and dissolve fairly naturally without an overt effort to "break up" and as many women know, most of the time when a friendship inevitably ends, there is RARELY any closure or official acknowledgement of it ending. The fact that she felt that she needed to wait until C was out of the country to break it off speaks volumes about the nature of their relationship. It was an abusive situation, NOT a friendship. 2) I think it's highly possible she actually did find out that C was the "boyfriend" and whatever emotions and feelings she was experiencing (anger, disgust, fear, shame, sadness, etc) were the final catalyst that resulted in her taking her life. 3) As someone else mentioned, C murdered her and made it appear that it was a suicide. Judging by the effort she put into this elaborate scheme, it is definitely a viable possibility that she murdered this girl. It is so incredibly sad.

[@laudetango7052]

Fully agree with point number 2. That was my main thought watching this whole thing. Earlier in the video it even said Rene told her mom she realized what Brayden was all about. 4:05. I think it’s highly probable the lost 91 messages would reveal that Camila had told Rene and that that’s what pushed her over the edge. Rene probably felt it was her only way out from Camila, and just the weight of Camila’s abuse and manipulation.

[@redpillyoass5894]

Agree with everything you said 100%. Like why would Renee just leave her shoes behind? And I’m sure Camilla tossed the phone in the water. But the police should easily be able to retrieve all deleted messages and all messages on the missing phone.

[@Natalia-hf3et]

Agree

[@heathernks8]

​@@redpillyoass5894 There are so many "experts" on here. This was 2013. If the average Joe who becomes a Congressman can't differentiate between wifi and an app during fb & tiktok hearings, why is everyone shocked that the average Joe policeman couldn't recover deleted texts in 2013? OF COURSE it took a 13-yr-old Zoomer to figure it out.

[@heathernks8]

I've been friends with a woman I met when I was 12 & I'm 50 now, so I disagree that friendships "inevitably" end. Maybe in the age of social media, but we don't all behave like this. I DO agree that the "official" ending of a friendship is unusual for a woman.. It struck me as so unusual that I almost believed Camila's version of events-until that "Sleep with C/NO." text exchange. I hadn't considered the idea that Camila killed her, but that explains why she looked so evil to me!

[@bobbyboywonder12]

Ive watched a lot of true crime and 48 hours. This one for me goes to the next level of psychopathic behavior. To betray somebody for so long in such an intimate way is hard to understand.

[@davisholman8149]

Ikr?? That girl was evil beyond words - then rakes her over the coals when she is already dead. SHAMEFUL B___CH!😡

[@IAdler-nk6qe]

Envy on steroids...

[@VICTORIA-rf8pd]

You can see clearly the victim was much prettier than the attacker. When you have a deceptive criminal mind jealousy is seeing. Blessings to victim and family of victim!

[@INDREAMSBEGINSRESPONSIBILITIES]

Livegore is better. No lying narration just raw footage. This is feeble

[@mol588]

​@@VICTORIA-rf8pd Oh yes, she was obsessively, bitterly jealous of the much prettier, more attractive beautiful soul that Renaé was .. so she set out to torment and literally hounded the girl to death . Seems Camilla was infatuated with Renaé and expressed "love" by pretending to be male . Let's hope someone is keeping a close eye on it, and her children, maybe the mother-in-law or her own Mum, who know how dangerous she can be, after watching this video .. ❤🕊Renae🕊❤

[@gladyskravitzjr825]

this is one of the most heartbreaking and disgusting crimes I have ever heard about. I applaud Renee’s family for their tenacity in seeking the truth. God bless her sweet soul

[@kirbyattar2961]

I have to agree! Saddening

[@charmainede-gannes5718]

It was truly disgusting.

[@cuekinaja]

The police there were so lazy, they wouldn't even try to retrieve the messages from the phone, and the bereaved family had to ask a 13-year-old boy to do that for them. The police didn't investigate the possibility of Camila luring Renae to the cliff, murdering Renae, and making it look like a suicide.

[@cuekinaja]

Camila tried to kill Renae before. Just like a comment below said: what if Renae didn't commit suicide? After Camila pushed Renae over the cliff, Camila deleted all the messages on Renae's phone that showed how Camila lured Renae to come to the cliff (Renae did her hair and makeup, so maybe to see "Braydon"?), Camila sent the suicide texts with Renae's phone, and put all the fake "evidence" that Renae took her own life over "Braydon" (with the dying message on the car's window, old Valentine's card). Camila might have gotten away with murder.

[@OneBadAssMoMo]

This makes so much sense to me.

[@wiztribe]

There’s No Brayden, There’s a Camila! It is/was her ALL along!!!!

[@rubygirl214]

@@wiztribe I think what she’s saying is that maybe Camilla sent Renae a message as “Braydon” saying he was going to meet her to lure her to the cliff to push her off

[@cassidydunn3218]

Unbelievable...😢

[@julianneromero6025]

Camila as her “best friend” introducing an incarcerated ex boyfriend as her potential new boyfriend soon after her breaking up with her first love is a red flag 😞

[@RooDMoron-m2g]

Too be young and naive again

[@naturerazzi7shi495]

I found that quite odd. Unless Camilla lied about their relationship.

[@ensghost7833]

Camilla should face charges....but karma will catch up with her. Rather she believes in it or not.

[@luanneneill2877]

If Camila was always around and texting Renae, when would she have had time to date Brayden and make him an ex-boyfriend? Wouldn’t Renae have heard of him? That she didn’t question Camila about that, or was snookered by Camila if she did, shows how much control Camila had over her.

[@HunterB738]

Yellow at best

[@gj5990]

I have a hard time believing Camilla didn’t directly kill Renae. Renae found out the truth and Camilla made it look like Renae was suicidal.

[@NN-re7cy]

That is exactly what happened.

[@Sharmichelle3]

I was just thinking this right here. I think Camilla killed Renae. When the host stated that Renae may have thrown her phone before she jumped, I thought to myself - no she was killed and Camilla got rid of Renae's phone. Camilla may think she got away with everything, but karma comes out of nowhere when you least expect it.

[@volume2517]

She did. Camilla killed Renae.

[@taihinatamar2736]

That's a really good thought!

[@kadygirlforever]

Yes. Who redoes their makeup and fixes their hair with the intention of jumping off a cliff?

[@arlenecargill9883]

This is tragic. There are so many crimes here it's CRAZY that Camila can not be charged with anything. Catfishing should be a crime... all over the world...period. RIP Renee 😢

[@lindat1491]

This is by far the most disturbing thing I've ever seen... And I binge watch crime stories. This is so horrific. I am truly shook.

[@michaelangst6078]

Really? The woman had to have some sort of mental illness to kill herself over some guy in jail she has never met or spoke to..

[@Ashrock689]

Me too.....

[@curtisk2286]

Quite the promo. I'll continue 😮

[@ivafrosh7675]

Oh, same here. I feel horrible for the parents.

[@sashfao3209]

Exactly 😳

[@qwerty170xyz]

Deleted text messages can be easily recovered. What is the Australian police doing?!?!

[@laurarebb6923]

Failing, obviously.

[@bookofthewarsofthelord9273]

Not always. Several factors depend on that

[@rz5062]

@@bookofthewarsofthelord9273 Like what?

[@anneofgreengables1619]

Exactly

[@fly89]

her new phone was not found. it was probably lost in the sea. so they couldn’t recover it. Her old was in the car.

[@mippa5830]

How can Australia NOT access text messages that have been deleted? Nothing is ever deleted! The tech work on this was infuriating all the way around.

[@larajones175]

Facts. Only in Australia can you can actually coherence someone to commit Suicide And not be victimized or charged for the merciless cause of the Death of the person you literally Murdered. Outrageous.

[@minivan903]

And why not use two separate phones? If she only used one then the messages would have shown to have come from the same phone number. Camilla's phone number. Plus if she had used two then she could have overlapped the the messages from her and Brayden. Heck, not overlapping them is how the idea of Renae being catfished first got started.

[@Cats_crystals_and_ghosts]

Australia needs more technology and new laws immediately. This is so outrageous.

[@fearwater5]

I was wondering about that. I didn't think they were that backwards.

[@hollycolotta9859]

That was the saddest story. I've never heard anything like this before. You need signatures or help to get this law I'm in

[@lafayette8240]

What if Camila lured Renee there, told her she was Brayden and then that made Renee lose it. Camila wanted control over Renee, what if she lead Renee out there to watch Renee lose whatever control she had left and then it turned bad and Renee jumped, then Camila writes the “I love you Brayden” on the car to get the head off of herself. Or what if Camila lured Renee there, and got in a fight with her ending in Camilla pushing Renee off the cliff, Camila writes on the car to stage it as more of a suicide, puts a valentine from “Brayden” on the passenger seat of the car, and Renee’s old phone. Throws Renee’s current phone into the water so the evidence of her having Renee meet her there is destroyed. Just a thought.

[@natasharudolph]

That’s what I believe!!

[@caramelkisses8396]

That fact that the friend ruined her relationship to set her up with her incarcerated ex-boyfriend is extremely alarming in itself. This Camilla girl was in love with Renee and wanted her for herself.

[@eileencameron1510]

That ain’t love it abusive cohesive control,she’s a totally creepy creep

[@carolinejohnson22]

I had a stalker-type friend once, but l extricated myself. She wasn't dangerous but tried to manipulate me 😅😅

[@jasminerathod9503]

​@@carolinejohnson22 don't underestimate manipulation.

[@BerthaDzenzi]

That made me sad as well

[@floursandroses]

That girl Camilla most definitely had more to do with Renee's death than just catfishing. I believe she very well could have pushed that girl over that cliff after Renee found out the truth. The entire "I love Brayden" written on her windows on her car could have been written by Camilla. I cannot believe that the Australian police won't prosecute her or show the Australian public this video.

[@catbishop27]

I think it's because they don't want to have any accountability to their OWN failures. Infuriating 🤬

[@brroookkeee]

Very possible and they can’t even retrieve the messages before the “suicide”

[@sutty85]

The way someone falls tells you how someone died.

[@luzsanabria2053]

Cruel 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Camilla

[@arleneportsmouth1263]

The other thing is that the Inn was written backwards and that's exactly how Camila writes her ends because she is dyslexic. Absolutely no doubt that Camilla sent those final farewell messages to her mom after she murdered her daughter. Their justice department is lacking in so many areas. First thing the police do is subpoena phone records after a suspicious unwitnessed death. Just shortly before this incident she told Camilla she didn't want to have anything more to do with her. The last thing Camila wanted is to be cut out of the position of Master puppeteer. If someone tells you that you're no longer in charge of pulling the strings then you will lose control of that situation and this psychotic criminal was obsessed with control.

[@aleciamv4489]

I have a hard time believing that she took her own life. I immediately felt in my gut that Camilla had something physically to do with her ‘jumping’. When a woman has a broken heart, the first thing they do is go to their best friend. How do they not know that Camilla and her met at that spot or something? This is infuriating!

[@chevitapene]

Now that makes more sense and could possibly be so. That's what I was thinking as well...how do they know she jumped! Camilia seems very unhinged and honestly I'm not sure why their friendship lasted so long. This story is very bizarre.

[@MarshasJourney]

Exactly what I thought. Why wouldn’t the text alarm her?

[@mandybell7884]

I Agree !

[@priscillaghostcruze7541]

This though I thought too.

[@EricaCornelius]

We would all go to our best friend….. I think like others as well, she maybe didn’t commit suicide. This needs further investigation… I hope they reopen this case.

[@wispercrow]

How can you have 18 months relationship with someone you never met is beyond me.

[@bettys9674]

Never met or even spoken to. She never spoke to him. She may have been vulnerable to have fallen for this. But how did her family not realise it was a catfish? No one ever spoke to him. Did they look him up or do any checks at all? She may have been vulnerable but her family wasnt

[@jollyjellybelly]

Lol

[@lenitaa7938]

Unfortunately, it happens all too often!

[@larrydirtybird]

And going off one grainy photo. Just that one photo!

[@TheGoogilly]

She killed Renae as sure as if she pushed her off the cliff. She's a rabid wolf; utterly devoid of a soul.

[@solasolar1]

Did they ever look into this as murder? Was she pushed instead of jumped? It all seems so staged to me. The text messages, the writing on the car window, the fact that her phone was also tossed. She might have literally gotten away with murder by making it only look like suicide.

[@nautione9650]

Wow, that would actually make more sense! 😮

[@hattiesallie2622]

Yes! Omg the writing on the window was so weird!!!!

[@tantkaos]

yea i dont believe she jumped because this guy she never met wants to end things, would guess camilla did it, pushed her :( so sad and crazy.

[@Tryme-kya]

I do believe Camilla sent that text to the mother to set the stage and then committed the murder..probably luring her there as the friend trying to comfort her after a bad breakup. I strongly feel it was murder.

[@zahrahassam4495]

I never thought of that. Wow. Seems like this did happen 😢

[@barbaraness4507]

Catfishing, scamming, and hacking should be illegal. It should also come with very severe consequences in court. Correction: as someone pointed out to me these things are illegal, but I what I was trying to say is that it’s not taken as seriously as it should be in many cases.

[@samanthasowell9307]

Especially if it causes someone to commit suicide. In the US can't someone be charged for malicious ly deceiving? Like people that bully others online and they commit suicide can be charged with something right?

[@gregoryhawsjr3479]

Yes agree totally. Yet it happens daily

[@Rayis4444]

It is, it’s called impersonation.

[@Lisa.Lucier]

I believe all you pointed out IS illegal.

[@barbaraness4507]

@@Lisa.Lucier It is, but not really unforced as it should be. I should’ve worded that differently.

[@moonnn0-r2l]

Angus looks so happy talking about her! I feel so bad for her whole family!

[@hannahbanana2224]

Watching this has me stunned. I once had an obsessive friend swoop into my life, love bomb me, and try to break up the best relationship of my life. Thankfully I listened to my husband and got rid of her. It chills me looking back at her calculated behaviour. So sad for Renae,and her family, for what that evil girl did.

[@jennifer14256]

And imagine if that person had known you well since childhood. So much information to use in their manipulating. Ugh

[@markcarpenter6020]

Wish my ex had been like you. But sadly she was easily swayed. She made a "friend" online and not long after our marriage ended.

[@y.peffle2802]

classic narcissistic behavior

[@michellejones9510]

Jealousy is a very bad thing and dangerous

[@t.sobressairb.1096]

you were open to logic. Renae was either not or wasnt presented with it.

[@Talk2thahand24]

The fact Camilla was not charged of ANYTHING is absolutely despicable.

[@funtyes1970]

lol how going to charge someone if there no law has been broken. yes, I think should she pay for something, but you have to look at it if you were on a jury. it never be in the court cuz she didn't break the law

[@majestictravler5717]

There’s Justice and there’s Justice. Had it been one of my kids God help her.

[@kdee_serikali5975]

I think she probably pushed her

[@kdee_serikali5975]

Camilla pushed her!

[@Romanus-]

Make vigilantism great again.

[@Deer548]

Out of all the true crime stories, this hit me in my heart.. Camilla is the definition of evil and deserves life in prison as far as I’m concerned. Absolutely disgusting. She is directly responsible for Renae’s death. 100 million %. I’m crying about this case.

[@braveinternetguy]

No one can make someone off themselves

[@kendragaithercrum6010]

​@braveinternetguy I disagree. Camilla used emotional blackmail and caused so much distraught for Renae, not just for 1 relationship, BUT 3!! Her first boyfriend, the fake person along with her best friend. She robbed Renae of EVERYTHING and left her totally distraught and then stopped any and all help getting through to Renae leaving Renae totally alone and mentally unstable. Everything she knew was a total lie and then sent her family on a scavenger hunt knowing along what anguish Renae was going through. So don't be naive and victim blame. Renae's only issue was she loved and trusted an evil liar.

[@nicolaalizeahmoss8637]

i cried to whole the documentary, its such a shame that a beautiful girl like Renae did suicide...I hope the best for her family

[@larrydirtybird]

Things Renae could have done from the start: Verify that prisoners get reduced sentences for not having visitors. Verify that prisoners are allowed to have smartphones that can only text and not call. Look up the incident that led to his arrest. Look Braden up on Google. He did not have a common last name, and if at his age, he had no digital footprint at all, that’s a red flag. She could have asked him what high school he went to. There are so many ways she could’ve verified who he was. I’ve just watched this video for the second time because the whole story is so unbelievable to me. I mean, I believe that it happened, as they said it happened, but it’s still so unbelievable.

[@vr55.]

Virtually anything. Heartbreaking as it is.

[@rockguitarist8907]

Yep she asked for something bad to happen with that not a care in the world attitude

[@BlazingPhoenix05]

The way her first bf lit up and the way his voice seemed to dance when he remembered the first day he met her. 😢

[@Anaana-jl5kg]

Crazy.. That girl wasn’t stronger mentally and was manipulated.

[@chrischrishiott8843]

I know they looked like a good couple together and Camilla couldn't stand it

[@dbodooley]

A few years ago a friend of mine started behaving strangely and looked very depressed. I asked him about it and he said he’s fine. I didn’t believe him though so I dug a little deeper and he just told me he’s been sad lately and told me not to tell anyone. I went and got my phone and texted both of his parents IMMEDIATELY! He was mad that I did that but I will never mess around with that kind of stuff. He’s doing very well now. Happy as ever

[@jamileighharris444]

You’re a good friend. I would have done the same. Keeping secrets can be deadly. I wish everyone would care as much as you do. ❤

[@I_AM_TEMPLE]

Good Friend!

[@AngelRuhlman]

How incredibly brave of you to jump right at that point and probably have a bit to do with his happiness now! People don't take other people's opinions about themselves seriously until disaster/accident happens! God Bless

[@christinaeckhart2784]

Thank God you did that! Too many people don't want to overstep..... We need to! ❤️

[@JulieBurnes]

Good advice

[@Leosmommy19]

Those parents are SOO strong. They've never recovered their daughter's body. The one shot they had to open an investigation was Camila's phone and that fell through. And the fact that they never saw any justice and still run into that POS in supermarkets! Omg the fact that they are still standing, God bless them. R.I.P Renae.

[@miligutierrez9973]

Karma will get her Plus she is ugly and unhappy

[@Twisted.Ginger]

Agreed! As a mother I'd be a basket case probably, and I'm usually the strong one in situations!

[@adrianaevseev7655]

Rip 🙏💐🌹May God bless this family

[@jacobpotter2237]

If they were so strong they would have never let their daughter date a guy in prison or would have seen the 100 red flags and intervened.

[@joshgarbemusic]

​@@jacobpotter2237 I agree. I think they're terrible parents. She says 'Brayden' sent a nasty text to her and she let it go. There can be no place for accepting that level of disrespect towards parents. She should have told Renea that she is forbidden to continue with him if she wants to have a relationship with her mother - her 'best friend.' It is a parents job to discipline and teach their children, not allow them to bring ruin onto themselves.

[@DajahBrown-d3i]

This video popped up for a reason! I have a hard time making friends and sometimes I find myself being so desperate settling for any type of person that comes my way! This ish is so sad! You can’t trust everyone! Know your worth! This poor girl and her family didn’t deserve this!

[@calimija4704]

THIS. 💯

[@dazza8551]

Police did a terrible job here, how come in US they are always able to revover deleted messages but in this instance they werent able to but a 13 year old was... 🤷

[@ruthmelicharles5062]

Anyone who acts like Camilla should not be called a friend. She is simply disguised as a friend who's been an enemy all along. I'm disappointed that justice wasn't served in this case.

[@wizzardofpaws2420]

Men in prison do not dump any woman. They are desperate to have someone on the outside. There should be a pretty severe punishment for a crime like this. Camilla seems to want attention so badly.

[@theresarasche3173]

Yeah so give her the attention she’ll receive in prison!

[@rjay7019]

I didn't know inmates were allowed cell phones and internet access? I've known people in jail in Utah,USA and Las Vegas NV and they were not allowed to have them.

[@truthbtoldwright6411]

​@@rjay7019 Mobile phones aren't allowed. They are normally smuggled into prison by prison staff and family/friends.

[@EBR1]

@@rjay7019 They smuggle them in, naturally. A cellphone can cost 1500 dollars or more in prison though.

[@edwardbrianna9729]

There was no cellphone in jail , because there was no Braden in jail. Braden was Camilla and no one was ever in jail. It was a lie and a ruse made by Camila.

[@liesa3818]

I don't understand so many things. If the parents didn't think of it, why didn't the police think of contacting the phone provider? And even more importantly: at that time, I once deleted the entire chat and the number of my ex-boyfriend out of anger. When I regretted it, I was able to 'reset' my phone with a normal app, for example, to a period from six weeks ago. Then you can see all the chat histories again. Why didn't they do that? And lastly: wasn't the last location of Rene's phone determined? And perhaps also Kamila's, to see if they were together? In other countries, crimes/alibis have long been determined in this way. The police work leaves many questions unanswered. Or the documentary left out..

[@Dowork360]

I had a "friend" similar to Camilla. She did everything in her power to completely destroy my life and it worked for many years. They count on your isolation. Exposing her behavior to our families and friends is what finally ended the lies. Years later I'm still picking up the pieces.

[@JohnWayne-86ed]

Me too, except it's my vulnerable narcissist wife, she had tried to isolate me by demanding all my time and creating conflict between me and those close to me, then she'd say... "You're going to choose them over your wife who loves you more than they do?!", she'd act charming and try to win them over so they'd like her more than me, if it didn't work she'd create problems out of nothing. Ugh... PTSD inducing memories😑

[@chocolar0074]

Divorce, it's your only option unfortunately

[@JohnWayne-86ed]

@@chocolar0074 Yes indeed. I divorced a couple months ago, one of us would have died if I didn't... very toxic, and of course she says I was the toxic, abusive one... no accountability😂

[@hertribe1978]

Sounds like you've turned yourself around for the good. Some ppl don't recognize this (or chosen not to) 💪 great job

[@Rose-tp5zg]

I had sisters who did this sort of thing... They had fake profiles. They bad mouth me, and manipulated my friends, and family. My sisters were good at projecting. I went through depression, anxiety because of them. It's true that the truth can seem stranger than fiction. What they did.. can seem unbelievable.

[@Harley59]

The erased/deleted and Renae's missing phone were to cover up murder. I feel in my gut that Renae was lured there and pushed off. When she left her home she thought she was going to meet someone or possibly him. She fully intended to be coming back home. Why would you redo/freshen up makeup and fix hair to go commit suicide by jumping in the ocean. All the family can do is know that Karma will visit Camilla. It will come with a vengeance. Along with the "reaping" You'll reap what you sew. This beautiful girl did not kill herself. 😢 Rest in Peace sweet girl. Her day will come and she'll feel it and know it.

[@lexiemaep7930]

OMG that's what I think as well!!! She thought he was out of prison and she thought she was meeting him but Camilla killed her instead!

[@priscillasimon7453]

Exactly what I said. She probably was lured in there to be pushed down the cliff and disappear the phone. Also, any agent can recover deleted data. I suspect they didn't want to go an extra mile

[@twangled08]

Yessss I feel this too

[@marspar]

That is a very interesting theory they should look further into. I can’t believe it never crossed my mind, but it is very plausible. And Camila could have sent the text messages after doing it and then threw the phone off. Unfortunately any signs of a struggle on the cliff will be long gone by now, but there has to be SOME way to recover the deleted text messages.

[@malope2310]

Damn! That's an angle I didn't think! Thought he was coming to finally meet her and then boom, Camilla. Nice thinking there 👌🏾

[@djs2182]

Are we sure Ranae isn’t locked in Camilla’s basement or something. This is terrifying and feels like a major failure of the justice system. I’m not convinced Ranae jumped nor was she the one who sent that message to her mom

[@AlmondJoie]

As I'm watching this, since Renae's body or remains were never found, I'm wondering if Renae went "underground" and escaped to a different country faraway where she assumed a whole new name and identity to finally be free of Camila and her sick, evil, and diabolical obsession with her. It truly would be the only way she could be free of Camila, once and for all, and finally live her life in peace. This is my utmost hope for Renae, and that one day, her parents and siblings will know the joy of being reunited with her and never part again.🙏🏼🕊️

[@backwaterbounty]

@@AlmondJoie that's optimistic, but not realistic... if that were the case im sure she would let her family know she's fine. But mostly, I don't feel like Camilla would warrant an " FBI secret identity", starting a new life in a new city with letting your family think you're dead.

[@AlmondJoie]

@@backwaterbounty Good, I'm glad you don't think it's realistic. Hopefully anyone who would think to do Renae harm would think the exact same thing. People do "disappear" without the help, aid, or assistance of the FBI. And yes, only her family could know her true whereabouts. It's not _entirely_ impossible. Where there's a will, there's a way. Strictly my two pesos.

[@Materialgirl_3]

@@AlmondJoieYou people make up anything smh. That doesn’t even sound logical

[@AlmondJoie]

@@Materialgirl_3 If you've never been harassed or bullied so badly that you needed to leave to finally escape the abuse, then yes, this would all seem illogical. That's what bullying/abuse is, illogical.

[@Letsbhonest0828]

To see her brother cry brought me to tears. I can’t imagine. Cell phones should not be able to delete messages.

[@heezypeasy8611]

This is so incredibly sad. That girl is a psychopath and should be in prison for life. My heart breaks for Renae and her loved ones.

[@mwpierre]

She is a psychopath. A lot of women are, but the law only punishes physical, violent crimes. The emotional abuse, which women commit usually goes unpunished.

[@scarletblaine6166]

​@@mwpierre "a lot" of women are psychopaths? 🤦‍♀️🙄 Do you have a source for that? A percentage? Literally any data whatsoever?

[@kristinsisson6209]

Most fitting and best comment I've read and I'm reading lots of them with something like this. It's murder

[@heezypeasy8611]

Thank you and yes it absolutely is murder!

[@unite4peace88]

Yes!, and hard to believe someone married that demon. 😧

[@AnnieAnnieBuckwheatCakes]

This case is so sad. This is why we need very strong laws against stalking in all it's forms.

[@Punisher1981]

Yes they do

[@doriangrey9702]

What injustice. If her body was not recovered, how do they know she went over the edge? And it wasn't staged. Camilla is guilty. This case should be reopened. Rip Renae 🙏 condolences to her family.

[@melissaritchie2372]

Camila pushed Renee. There is absolutely nothing anyone can say to convince me otherwise.

[@jaspajones7045]

Nope wrong

[@mylinahmad3335]

@mellisa​ritchie2372 yes you're absolutelyright @jaspajones7045

[@SchlichteToven]

This is one case where it seems the suicide really could have been an outright murder. My theory is that Renae did her hair and makeup because "Braydon" had decided to see her after all. She drove out to where she expected to meet him, only to find Camila there instead. Maybe Camila then told her the person she was so in love with never existed and she had been pretending to be him all along. If Renae was then totally destroyed emotionally, Camila might have prodded her to commit suicide, or might have actually pushed her over.

[@deborah8887]

Brilliant theory. It makes total sense.

[@NekoArts]

Only one problem; he was supposedly in prison so it’s not like he could leave to go on a date if he wanted to.

[@ibjensen8626]

@@NekoArts Camilla could have told her to meet up with her anywhere. Killed her and driven the car to that spot.

[@fasttrackblastback8286]

She wrote the message on the window. There were no reports of any suspicious finger prints

[@scarlettphoenix7024]

But Renae told her parents she’d discovered what Brayden was “all about”. To me this seems like she learned that Camilla was Brayden, and it destroyed her. She couldn’t come to terms with what had been done to her. It’s quite suspicious that Camilla sent a message to Renae’s mother right around the time Renae actually disappeared. I wonder if Renae was ever at that cliff…

[@lucyloo8965]

Moral of the story: Don’t sweep things under the rug. Follow your instincts. If it seems off, it likely is. Speak up for what you believe isn’t right. Never ignore any sign of depression or suicidal tendency. Evil is out there. Do what you can to protect yourself and your loved ones from it.

[@lucyloo8965]

In no way are the parents to blame. At the same time, I bet if they could go back they would have taken preventative measures. My heart goes out to them. They are sweet people who did not deserve any of this.

[@just-be-nice]

Wise words that are not realized until we are older. When I was 20, I was not aware of how scary the world really is.

[@SomerDawn13]

@@just-be-nice Such TRUE and Saddest group of words I've Ever heard/read😢💔💯

[@KingFury6293]

It’s confusing how someone can fall that deeply for someone else just through texting them and never even seeing them. But RIP.

[@Anonymous38572]

Especially someone who’s supposedly in prison. Why even start talking to them?

[@bethscott4330]

My mom is 77 years old and she’s being catfished. It’s been over a year and I’ve tried to tell her about all of the red flags. She won’t listen to anything and gets so angry and defensive with me. I said to her the other day the saying I heard “it’s easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone they’ve been fooled” it did make her pause, but she changed topics. It’s so hard to watch.

[@KingFury6293]

@@bethscott4330 tell her to FaceTime or video call the person, and tell her you bet they would never ever face time or video call her to prove they are that person

[@thebaddie391]

It happens more than you know. It happens on a large scale... People are lonely and longing for companionship.

[@RooDMoron-m2g]

Camilla knew Renee's heart and played it like a fiddle. It's one of the cruelest things I've ever heard, it's actually psychopathic and Camilla is an extremely dangerous individual

[@jasmineturner1111]

I feel for this poor family and anybody else that may have been affected. Catfish is a serious problem and needs to be addressed legally there needs to be repercussions for these people. I speak from my own experiences of being a victim of Catfishing and after watching this. I hope this does someday there are laws to predict the victims of Catfishing and other cyber mental abuse and control just as Renee should’ve been protected.

[@HT-vm6zm]

I can't believe they gave her immunity without knowing everything first. I'm so sorry for your loss it's heart breaking

[@funtyes1970]

what would you like be done to her there no laws have been broken? you can't charge someone cuz you feel like they should be in prison?

[@chrissyknowsitall5170]

This case is so heartbreaking. What this monster did to this girl was so sick!! She is really a monster. I feel so horrible for the parents.

[@princesssolace4337]

Agreed ... her name even eerie sounding like Camila Syaitan. What a sick fcuk culture in 'cat fishing'🤬

[@maggieferris8155]

I feel sorry for her kids... I feel sorry for her husband there names are always going to be tarnished ... he should leave and take the kids with him get rid of that monster her name should be plastered around this should be shared to her Facebook sent to the kids school and also the husbands work albeit I'm making innocent victims suffer but then she's be suffering more

[@amc5936]

@@maggieferris8155 i was hopping karma would kick in and she would be misserable. instead she lives on and gets to do all that renee wanted to do.

[@peppiholliday4525]

She needs to be charged for what she did and go to court and from there she needs to be incarcerated in a mental institution for the rest of her life. I don't understand how the laws that be could not find something to charge her with it's just incredibly amazing that she can get by with this but yet Renee is dead. I feel such sorrow and anguish for her parents and her extended family and friends and Renee should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

[@sueannarca9102]

@@amc5936 absolutely devastating, but we don’t leave this world without paying for our sins. I’m sure of that, sooner or later that monster will get her turn.

[@ferraroannie4058]

It's obvious that the evil Camila was jealous of Renae's looks, personality and relationship with Angus. What a diabolical crime.

[@august1095]

and was obsessed with her

[@pennyrapp7372]

I think Camila loved Renae but Renae wasn’t going to love her that way. What a coward and a monster ❤. Hope she stays away from humans she needs to be in a mental facility.

[@divinesunshine1881]

120%

[@kikoarmani]

Shes evil and demonic

[@Faizasmith-pj4dz]

Yes, so sad

[@DeniseWilcox-kp1dl]

I cannot believe she has not been punished for this 🤬 That poor family 😢 Praying for them 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼

[@DragonQueen78]

Stop making your phone and social media your life. Meet people in PERSON. These cell phones are ruining lives. RIP to Renee.

[@Cevee.]

I agree!!

[@shawty8140]

She did with everyone else. She believed she could not see someone behind bars.She wasn't meeting guy after guy after guy online. She is a victim that trusted her bff like we should all be able to.

[@svalerie98]

I 100% agree! Is there any place you'd recommend to meet a good guy? I go to work and come home, so I really dont go out much and refuse to find someone through online

[@tomcarey5156]

What blows my mind is she had a real boyfriend who she seemed to have a good relationship with and she walked away from him for someone she never met a convict. Why? The imaginary guy turned out to be as fake and superficial as she was.

[@holdmacat9932]

Meeting ppl in person can also ruin life lol

[@temekarollins6007]

Why would Renae text Camila, if she was getting away from Camila. Renae was supposed to have dinner with friends, maybe Ranae actually met up with Camila, to talk about Brayden, as if she had a way to "keep them together", and maybe Camila pushed Renae. Because why would Renae text sorry to Camila, when Camila was destroying Renae's life. The writing on the car window seemed so out of context, yet, the phone she was currently using went over with her, but a phone she hadn't used in months, was on the passenger seat. The whole situation seems too staged.

[@katen1228]

My thinking too.

[@Jkaye13]

Exactly!! Why would she not leave her cell phone behind? Who commits suicide with their cellphone? That makes no sense.. wanting to eliminate evidence is a good reason for a cellphone to go missing

[@S_8-]

How such a young sociopath narcissist can destroys someone's life without being held accounatble for her actions is outrageous

[@JennMartinello]

The true name for what you said she is... Is... A Narcopath

[@S_8-]

@@JennMartinello Good to know , thanks :-)

[@carolineclark4078]

That’s Australia for you

[@greenjupiter]

She looks 47

[@JohnWayne-86ed]

@@JennMartinello Just making up labels now?... "Narcopath"😂... sure, why not lol. I married a diagnosed narcissist... these people are poison to everyone including themselves.

[@shellyh8739]

I've read too many of the same stories like this one where their best friend pretending to be the guy on the other end and they never met is a big red flag always having some sort of excuse. It's so sick for people to play mind games with their best friends and this should be punishable and held accountable for the person who commits suicide. RIP Rene!

[@karliann1]

My mom was catfished for 5 YEARS by ONE person she thought was her friend! It took that long for her to realize the truth! This sick woman never even asked for money so she did it for the thrill sick

[@niag7273]

Your mom. Is an idiot…. How tf u get catfished for YEARS??? Never FaceTimed or met? DUMBAZZ

[@LoveLupe300]

😮 omg how did she find out?

[@karliann1]

@@LoveLupe300 She found forged news articles by comparing them to the originals she looked up the people who were fake this person made up...this person was supposedly dying and then at the end she never did...and a lot more. It was crazy

[@karliann1]

@@LoveLupe300 This person was pretending to be like 4 other ppl such as a nurse and doctor plus the person wasn't even in our country they lived in Canada I think it was some sort of experiment or something by this deranged lunatic so sad actually

[@FreedomofSpeech865]

Mother of God! People can be so evil

[@12thDecember]

I'm perplexed that Renae's parents never went to the prison or contacted them to check on whether there was an inmate there name Brayden Spiteri, and to show the people running the prison his photo to confirm his identity and make sure he was in there for manslaughter and not something more serious. I mean, did anyone named Brayden Spiteri even exist? Everyone just swallowed every preposterous thing Camilla said, hook, line, and sinker. No wonder they call it catfishing. Other than that, Camilla is just plain evil to manipulate and deceive Renae the way she did.

[@JemicoTX]

Exactly. I have the same disappointment in all of the gullible accessories to this situation.

[@TheZamfot]

I also wondered the same however at the same time I don’t know if NSW law allows for civilians to find out such information

[@jamileighharris444]

I was wondering the same thing! I would have been able to call BS on the story very quickly. There’s too many ways to track down information these days, it would have been glaringly obvious it was all fabricated. I guess maybe in the middle of something like this, when you have a busy life and really want to believe the best in people, it’s easy to be gullible. Hindsight is 20/20.

[@Mynameis1212-c3f]

I would of at least tried to find out more information the crime committed, googled his name and called the jail because everyones "innocent" in jail. Poor parents I'm sure they've tormented themselves for not checking. Hope they succeed in trying to stop this happening again I'm sure there's loads of stories like this their the ones brave enough to speak out a out it and try to make it stop. Rest in peace Rene 🙏 🕊

[@Foxsuper1]

how? I still don't get it

[@thts.my_voic]

I hope the laws are passed to criminalize catfishing, Camellia doesn't deserve to walk free, she is a evil person. My heart breaks for Renae's family and friends, she seemed like such a beautiful person.

[@angelmac5380]

Yes, this case really disturbed me. I was disturbed even more by this monster not being accountable

[@DrLuke49]

Karma has Camila's number.

[@angelmac5380]

@@DrLuke49 She has lived all these years with no remorse, with a family. Everything she denied Renae from. That 💀 deserves a hard carma!

[@Arianne3011]

​​@@DrLuke49 true..... and _karma_ never forgets an address.

[@SweetChicagoGator]

How is Camilla an evil person due to a naive girl living in cyberspace??? Parents really need to address their daughters dating habits !😢

[@BatshtPassionate]

😭💔 RIP, Renee. Never ending blessings and healing to her beautiful family ❤️

[@alisonruelas-scottborgh1832]

Shame on the judge and authorities who so-called handled this case. You have failed this family 💔

[@ronniemead805]

Big time; they totally ignored the fact that camila may have killed renae and sent all those text messages using renaes phone and then threw the phone in the lake where it could never be found. This woman is evil and should have been punished.

[@leighamoro]

Why couldn’t she block her tho and she didn’t have to kill herself over it

[@queenofhearts6127]

@@ronniemead805 I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if she did indeed push Renae off that cliff or killed her somewhere else and placed her shoes at the cliff top.

[@Bintimrembo-y1v]

Karma never sleeps they will suffer

[@Bintimrembo-y1v]

​@@Arkengelso now we protect the criminals under the guise of illness, ridiculous

[@tamraanne4066]

After years and years of watching true crime, this one takes the cake! It is unfathomable that Camilla wasn’t charged. Very disturbing. Deleted messages can be obtained. This police department is just inept.

[@mariaimperatricedamore1639]

Who knows if something deeper has been going on. I mean, who's this Camilla woman, who're her family and their links .......... Powerful people? Just saying

[@Vasilia4]

How can she be charged if she didn't commit a crime? Not to mention, if Brady had been a real person the result would have been exactly the same

[@concernedamerican8]

​@@Vasilia4except you nor anyone else knows that because no one knows what Camila said to her before she died. Maybe Camila told her the truth that she was Brayden, and Renae just couldn't handle the betrayal and embarrassment. No one truly knows. I also think it's entirely possible Camila is the one that killed her and got away with it.

[@Stretchlessbeauty]

​@@concernedamerican8Yes, and the fact that the police didn't think in that direction is despicable.

[@ski740]

Renee had graduated obtained driver's license. ect. But didn't have common sense. Probably gets it from her mom who let her leave the house after concerns of her offing herself. I'm going for food ok have fun. Bye

[@rulaj1]

This is murder! At the very least this is coercion, stalking and mind control. Pure and simple. No difference from the case in the states where the girl told the boy to commit suicide over and over again and then he did. This is not something as a parent I would let go. The marriage this person is in is nothing but a rouse and a cover for her. I’m extremely outraged that she is not being held criminally responsible. She deserves brass justice. She is a psychopath and needs to be dealt with before she hurts someone else.

[@elizabethmcleod246]

Agreed

[@alyciamarie4163]

And she got away with it as well

[@glee21012]

Not murder. She killed herself.

[@elizabethmcleod246]

@@glee21012 So did Amanda Todd in Coquitlam, BC, Canada and her cyber bully has been sent to jail for 13 years.

[@glee21012]

​@@elizabethmcleod246 Not familiar with that case. Irellevant. No body. No proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT this was a murder. That is why the gov't didn't pursue a murder charge. It is a matter of law not your 'feelings'. I don't want the State having the ability to put people away forever on theories and feelings.

[@DontPlayVictim33]

This is why social media should be abolished along with vanity ❤

[@theserialbunny424]

This is not a suicide. This is murder in plain sight

[@trose3070]

M

[@maryalonso1991]

Camilla pushed her to the water !!!

[@MadScientist267]

The easiest way to defeat your enemy is to have your enemy destroy itself from within.

[@zoni36]

Anyone else want to know exactly where Camilla was that night? Even if they don’t hv access to the texts, they have access to the towers where Camilla’s phone pinged from. They found shoes but no other evidence? My conspiracy theory is that Camilla met Renee at the Gap, drove her somewhere else, killed her , then went back to the Gap throwing the phone in the ocean and leaving the shoes on the beach . I think they will find Renee’s remains somewhere far away from the Gap.

[@morganwells_13]

She killed her, period! That girl was over there and killed her and left her phone at home and took her to the bridge or the side of the road and dumped her

[@mjr8527]

Who leaves shoes before committing suicide by jumping off a cliff? It's odd. What if she was dragged (she lost her shoes during that) and pushed off the cliff? Remember when she told her mother that her friend tried to kill her? She was abused by her friend several times prior to that. Physically her friend was much bigger. She can't fight her. The last moments with the mother and the scenes at the cliff with some text messages leaves so many questions. I don't think it's a suicide.

[@enithecat4696]

I thought it was quite sketchy as well.... why text someone you no longer have a friendship with??? It doesn't make sense.

[@brianavalero3286]

After watching this it just seems odd but then again no leaving the shoes behind is somthing i dont understand but sadly it happens ..there was a suicide at my job and security had footage of it ..the young man walked all the way up the stairway took his shoes off and placed them down nicely then jumped ..

[@chandrainsky]

Inconceivable that someone who killed her close friend in cold blood lives a happy life later!! The society should shame them at every opportunity.

[@chrisgomez860]

I'd be hanging posters with camille's picture and what she did around where the monsters lives every weekend.

[@lucille.phoenix5504]

God will issue final justice to Camilla😅

[@candyDander]

@@chrisgomez860 That's an interesting idea, because I believe she purposefully makes sure she's in areas where she can be seen by Renae's parents. I can't imagine being this mean, manipulative, and devious to people.

[@Quole1234]

​​@@lucille.phoenix5504 which God?

[@Ash2beauty]

@@Quole1234the only God and God that you know is so real that the demon in you couldn’t help but to reply about.

[@fuzzit]

What..? The Australian justice system FAILED someone?! I'm SHOCKED!!!! 🙄

[@averagejoette1570]

My heart goes out to everyone who gets affected by catfishing. Please do your homework on anyone you meet online. Praying for everything and everyone 🙏😥

[@anneperry9014]

Actually, don't go on line to meet ANYONE. Don't be a moron!!!!!🙄🙄🤬🤬

[@okgirl64]

This girl should be locked up..Complete sociopath behavior..and to think she has a husband and children. I met someone that acted nice, was texting and calling me, I thought it was a little much..I ignored my intuition..I ended up regretting..in a short time period, I gave up my home of 12 years, my city , family & friends..he played so many psychological games I nearly went insane, bruising appeared on my body and hairloss.. attempted to live with him..he was cheating and would leave his house for hours..I found out much more..this was just the beginning.. It took me 5 times to really be done, he was always seeing someone as well. I moved in with family in the area.. Another yr and 4 months passed before I got out with my life..he was very mean too. This was all hidden from others. His mom and family think he's someone who is great..this nearly drove me crazy. I'm still not back in my city. I'm very depressed and had worked so hard in my life . I can't wait until the girl in the video go to jail for cat fishing the way she did. And the guy I unfortunately was fooled by get a criminal charge

[@msannthrope1863]

Pump the brakes there, Saint Francis of a Seesaw.

[@msannthrope1863]

@@okgirl64 Anyone delusional enough to think they can pray for “everything and everyone” needs to back up just a tad and get over themselves. That’s number one. Number two, last time I checked, freedom of speech was still somewhat of a thing so I went ahead and exercised mine. Is that ok with you? Obviously you didn’t notice Satoshi Nakamoto’s post before mine. He clearly agrees with me.

[@okgirl64]

@MsAnnThrope when commenting directly is common to tag or highlight their name . Your comment comes in right after mine and I'm notified that I received a comment In which case makes no relevance Obviously

[@NatashaTheDane]

That is NOT suicide! It’s murder. What’s wrong with the system?! That psyco belongs behind bars 🤬

[@cathyhunter1263]

She does make it happen, the people gathered can make a difference

[@lionelluva]

The police, coroner and attorneys heavily failed Renae and her family. It’s crazy how Camila can live her life as if she didn’t indirectly kill Renae. Camila will have to answer to God for her sins. I’m praying for the family’s peace as best as they can have.

[@VioletJoy]

It's easy to point the finger, but that's not really fair to say. All police can do is enforce laws. Camilla did not encourage Ranae to commit suicide and no body was found. Unless she had directly played a part in her death, what is there to prosecute?

[@SchlichteToven]

Hopefully everyone in town knows who Camila is and makes her life a living hell (like she made Renae's).

[@louduva8599]

Hopefully has to answer to her townsfolk on a daily basis!

[@canyounot89]

​@Violet Joy she literally texted the mom and told her that her daughter was going to commit suicide. She knew that renae wasnt okay mentally and still kept it going. She knew what might happen. If she didnt kill her herself, because that also seems very sketchy to me.. i think she is somewhat liable for her death.

[@saraello1161]

Exactly right, she will need to answer to God and will be punished

[@cherylmaynard5657]

Thank you for this video. It reveals so much about friendship and about what people can use the internet for the wrong reasons. The 13 year old was good at help solving the phone issue.

[@karlaplascencia7998]

My heart hurts so much for your family. You did everything you could to protect your beautiful daughter. I hope you know sharing her story is helping many families around the world.

[@kirbyattar2961]

Mine does too. Sending them love but also you love ❤

[@chrissylibertyk9]

There had to be something underlying. I cannot imagine anyone getting this wrapped up in someone they've never met or even talked to?? A friend of mines daughter took her own life over a boy. This is absolute madness. Young girls shouldn't be this affected by early relationships. If you're reading this and are so invested in a relationship that you would consider ending your life over it, get help NOW. You will destroy your life and everyone else's around you over nothing.

[@angelmac5380]

THIS HAPPENS MORE OFTEN THAN TALKED ABOUT. Grown women send their entire savings to catfishers

[@ingridakerblom7577]

Just bcs you dont ubderstand it, dont make it sick. The only sick part is Camilla. Is her behaviour thats patalogical

[@judylopez4008]

❤

[@irenemax3574]

The passionate feelings I had for my First Love, I've never had since. I have always had extreme moods: one friend (a psychiatric nurse) diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. I understand the suicidal impulse during times of great misery.

[@GoldSkye]

Teenage mood, hormones, brain chemistry dynamics are sooooo powerful and misunderstood. Very powerful and impactful. Think about how many true crime shows you’ve seen where teen girls murder their parents for opposing undesirable boyfriends.

[@modemarose4497]

Murder by Suicide is a thing & it's about time the law in Australia catches up. There are devious cluster b characters amongst us that cause an unfathomable amount of damage to the unsuspecting. This is Emotional & Psychological Abuse resulting in death & this poor family has zero recourse & it sickens me ... This story needs to be shared far & wide .. 🖤🦋

[@deniece0821]

I live here in the US. Murder by suicide happens way too often. Lazy and incompetent law enforcement are too quick to write it off. It's even easier if the poor victim is a drug addict. Murder by overdose is a big thing, too. Society doesn't really care about the world having one less junky. 😔

[@lisaglaze3620]

They're demons

[@sunnysmiles8211]

Camila is undoubtedly a sadistic psychopath and possibly murdered/pushed Renee off the cliff after luring her there under the pretense of “going out for dinner “. The fact that Renee’s body and current phone were never found is too suspicious as Renee was finally leaving the friendship with Camila for good. We all know that when someone is going to leave their abuser this is the most dangerous and likely time they will get murdered or disappeared. Then Camila purposely deleting all her texts looks extremely suspicious.

[@mariamiranda1389]

💯

[@gmcmisty]

It is crazy to me that the data is not stored within the company. Most store data for around 18 months maybe it is different over there but just because she erased it the cell service should still have it.

[@mattknight1993]

Could have also been one who wrote I love you Brayden on car. Get heat off herself.

[@goldenstarr8469]

The so call best friend seem jealous of Renae of her beauty and no telling what else. This is a very sad story it seem like Renae and Angus made a nice couple but this Camila anint no good at all she for sure will get her Karma if she had anything to do with this.

[@qq84]

And the police refused to get the text messages from the provider.

[@nonyabusiness2840]

This is crazy Camila killed her and covered it all up and got away with it! How is she free, that is so heartbreaking.

[@paulastrose7615]

And the sad part is...who they killed themselves for is living and enjoying life .smho

[@juliemclain5841]

Narcissism

[@NOHSAL]

Whats the fkn point of watching when there are comments LIKE THIS 🙄😡😭

[@lalitstar2371]

@@NOHSALjust keep watching, there’s bigger things happening

[@nmo8257]

@@NOHSAL then watch before reading the dam comments!!! Idiot

[@ChosenDeeDee]

Camila knew what Rene’s insecurities were. I feel like Rene struggled with low self-worth and Camilla knew this. One thing I know is that NO ONE GETS AWAY WITH ANYTHING. Rest in peace Rene.

[@lorrainemitchell9093]

I’m soooo sorry for your loss. RIP Renee love 💖 & Light 🕯️ to your family and friends x

[@doctorshell7118]

Maybe the police need to put the 13 year old on their payroll for now on. This was similar to a case that was prosecuted in the US. The girl was sent to prison.

[@horsegirl07]

Right when they showed the “friends”picture… I had a feeling.. what an absolute psycho stalker. She should 100% be charged with something. She used this poor girl and played with her mind which made her mental state poor. She contributed to this girls death and needs to face some consequences. And to think she has kids of her own now! What a monster.

[@ronniemead805]

I think she killed renee and used her phone to send those text messages and then threw the phone in the lake.

[@carriebell3566]

Poor children 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@tonyzuco6144]

*"She should 100% be charged with something."* And what would that "something" be? Think of the ramifications of "creating" charges to satisfy this tragic event.

[@caitlankelly4367]

I have to say that Renee and her family are an example of unconditional love and light. You see Camilla as a sinister tool of darkness that wanted to steal that light for herself. Rest in peace Renee.

[@jacobpotter2237]

They are an example of ignorance and irresponsible.

[@simonpd38]

Her parents are/were fing dumb man

[@lela8081]

​@@jacobpotter2237yes Renee seems like unstable person.Her mom could do something and seek help for her.If my child was dating someone online i would advice her to check him,call the prison and ask for him if he was really there..also advice my daughter to not date with someone who is in prison.I cant believe how naive they are

[@mindbodyfitness99]

Parents are not their kids’ friend. If you can’t tell your child they are doing something that could be detrimental to their well-being because you don’t want them to be mad at you, the relationship needs work and is not helping the child. These parents missed so many red flags about their daughter, as a lot of parents do, unfortunately.

[@asiam1528]

@@talkingcoffeeI agree

[@clairekennedy8767]

Your story will help future men and women experiencing catfish manipulation ❤️ My heart goes out to her Rene’s family

[@joanne_swck]

I feel terribly sorry for Renae and her family 🕊 Renae seems like she was sunshine in human form. That wasn't a suicide, Camila murdered her out of jealousy. The fact that Camila is married with kids, living as if nothing happened... That's the life Renae would've deserved. When her brother started crying I lost it... 😢 The laws are ridiculous, Camila deserves jail. I can't imagine the pain her family, friends and her long term boyfriend are going through. I wish them all the best and I hope they know that Renae and what happened to her will never be forgotten. 🤍🕊 And for the people blaming Renae herself: Camila manipulated and threatened her over years. Do y'all know what that does to a person? Renae wanted to be loved, that's all. She would've never killed herself if it wasn't for Camilla. RIP beautiful soul. ⭐

[@conniejacobs1725]

This is so horrible my heart goes out to Renee's family. I would not beable to see that girl around town married with kids and not take matters in to my own hands. The strength of Renee 's Family is amazing. What a teagic case these laws need to change.

[@ambermartin3672]

This story really angered me because how can anyone say that C didn’t commit a crime? My condolences goes out to Renae’s family and real friends and everyone who truly loved her. This is such a heartbreaking story 😢

[@rebeccahicks2194]

I agree. She manipulated a young girl into killing herself. Cat fishing like that should be a crime. I’m horrified that she literally got away with murder

[@allapples]

To have so many ppl around her and only ONE person found Camila calling excessively and stalking Renee a problem?? No one questioned Renee tattooing Camila’s alter ego on her body? Like wow- everyone just thought this is normal behavior…truly unbelievable. Gotta pay more attention to how codependent your children can be and teach them that life does go on after rejection.

[@hertribe1978]

Yes!! My sentiment exactly. Why wasn't the flag🚩 raised come on!

[@queenofhearts6127]

As a Mother of 18 & 20 year old Daughters, I would have made sure a restraining order was placed on Camila long before this happened. There’s no way I would have let that girl anywhere near my Daughter. I’m not saying Renae’s Mother was in the wrong, she was simply too trusting, missed all the red flags and didn’t realise how serious this behavior was. I would have also reported the so called ‘prisoner’ to the prison for sending threatening texts (which may have led to the realisation that he didn’t exist).

[@sparklingfashion6276]

This would never pass me He started a relationship in prison?? Come on….. at least someone around her see the red flags