The Airplanes the US Military Wasn't Supposed to Have

[@JClark2600]

My heart sank when you showed a photo of damaged WW2 airplanes and said '...the rest were...scraped'. Not because I have any love for the Nazi's but for the historical impacts. I've gone to maybe 6 or 7 airshows in my life and have seen a BF109 up close but what a treat it would be to see an ME262.

[@macsdaddy3383]

Just take a flight to SEA-Tac and then head down to Boeing Field along Marginal Way where the Museum of Flight is. Take the perimeter road to the right and along it there is a hangar that has a ME262 inside it. It's in private hands and it was flyable as I have seen it out a few times. In full transparency the last time I was in Seattle was about 8 year's ago.

[@allangibson8494]

There are a half dozen airworthy Me262’s around. They were built in the early 2000’s.

[@patrickhorvath2684]

​@@allangibson8494 I read about that. Built by volunteer retired Boeing engineers in some back hangar. Modern engines , I think ?

[@allangibson8494]

@@patrickhorvath2684 GE C610 engines (the only ones they could find that were low enough powered).

[@seanbo2k1]

The only one I’ve ever seen was at the Smithsonian air and space museum in DC. The one in Dulles, VA has some cool rare German planes as well, including the only Do 335 in existence, an ME 163, and an Arado 234 as well as some rare Japanese aircraft as well.

[@schmerzdj5719]

Thinking about scrapping an me262 is enough to bring a grown man to Tears

[@lokai7914]

The Me 262 is a beautiful aircraft. There's one in the Australian War Museum in Canberra that I stood and gazed at in in awe. it is magnificent.

[@peterrobbins2862]

Right next to the rocket powered kommet

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

And on the way in, did you notice that A-7V? It's one of only two in the World I think, and for those who don't know, it's a German WW1 Tank, and if memory serves me right, I think the Germans only managed to produce about 7 due to the lack of Steel Plates in the resources starved German Industry of WW1. I don't know exactly where it was that this particular example was captured, but I know that it was by Australian Troops on the Western Front in France, in 1918.

[@lokai7914]

@@frenzalrhomb6919 I recall it, but my first love has always been aircraft. A wonderful museum that I could days in!

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

@@lokai7914 I remember, from my very first visit with the School when I was about 10-11yrs old, was their thorough collection of WW1 Pickelhaube, from each German States at the time, and even each branch of the Service of that particular State, e.g -Artillery of the Kingdom of Pomerania, and West Pomerania, Schaumburg - Lippe a tiny, more or less City State, raised their own Infantry and Light Field Artillery, even they were represented .... ... Without the head's still in them, of course!; 🤣

[@danieldunlap4077]

I visited that museum when I was in the US Navy on a port visit. That was an incredible museum and I lost all my pictures from it.

[@tfs203]

One of my Grandfathers favorite stories was of his first time seeing a Me-262 flying very low, at speed. He was a quad .50 gunner on a M16. 778th AAA Battalion(76th Inf Div).

[@chadwickmacarthur4760]

My grandfather was a tank crewmen in the German army and would talk bout how they heard rumors of a plane like this then one day while repairing his armor he saw a small group of them and he couldn’t believe how fast and loud they were he said for a moment he felt two things .. one armor wasn’t going to win this war and two those jets would win this war that was the future he was a good man lived all thru the war somehow from the liberation of Poland to Kursk then he surrender to the US forces how he met my other grandfather also an armor crewmen

[@scottkrater2131]

​@@chadwickmacarthur4760the only thing the Germans did in Poland, was 'liberating' it of the millions of Poles they murdered.

[@jamess5154]

I was stationed at Wright-Patterson AFB in the early 90s. One of my offices was in one of the old hangers down on the old Wright Field flight line by the AF Museum storage hanger where some of the old stuff brought there for testing were stored and refurbished. I spent many lunch hours in there getting to know the workers. They were still finding things they did not know they had tucked back in the hanger. Highlight for me was they let me sit in few including a JU-88 that was almost fresh out of the factory when the Rumanian pilot defected--look it up.

[@SlipKnot7866]

Ever see the Heinkel 177 ?

[@devmeistersuperprecision4155]

I know the hangar of which you speak. I bought a rockford open side planer and had to rig it out of this hangar. We had to move the parts of an me109 to get this thing out. I remember the worn tires on the 109 airframe. This is the rat hole of the Air Force. I have never seen a bigger pack rat nest of aerospace relics in my life.

[@mihai69stoian]

Corect term its Romanian!We,the Romania Army we schwith the side against Germani in aug.1944.Specialists estimate tha t we short the war with 6 month with that tactical move,The reward….Churchil gave Romania to Russia and take Greece instead!Thanks a lot,

[@devmeistersuperprecision4155]

@@mihai69stoian I agree as an American. I wouldn’t trust a communist for anything! To bad you guys can’t sue England for damages.

[@bruhzy2139]

@@mihai69stoian thanks a lot, Winston.

[@rifleman762]

I've seen the ME262 At the Smithsonian museum in Washington DC, it's absolutely incredible!

[@bradwilliams1691]

I saw an Me262 at Point Cook air force base in Melbourne Australia back in the early 1970's. I concur, it is an awesome piece of technology. The same aircraft is currently in storage at the Australian war memorial in Canberra.

[@ziptiejedi5658]

I would love to see one in person. I think they still look mean and fast compared to today jets. I always thought the ME262 looked like I was styled after great white shark. It would be really awesome to see the Horten HO229 that the Smithsonian has in storage.

[@gerry-p9x]

Dad and chem battalion told to shoot up or burn jets until orders came to preserve..JERRIES had other stuff but he never talked of it

[@tominva4121]

I have parts from at least one of these ME262s. Mostly Reidel starting motors that were given to the technical dept of the University of Minnesota. They were declared unnecessary, and an employee took possession. That employee traded them to my father for a trailer. My father intended to build go-carts for us children with them, but that never happened. Now I own them.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@tominva4121 The son of the designer of those Riedel motors has posted several comments on KZbin. I would think he would be thrilled to own an example of his father's work to pass along to the family.

[@eugenerowland1262]

I've been fascinated by WW2 since age 5 in 1958. Thanks to educators like you and KZbin I'm learning more facts & details every week. Keep up the good work !!! 🇺🇸😀 👍

[@kevinspacey5325]

be careful with this dude, he's constantly being called out for getting facts wrong and mispronouncing various things.

[@SmilingStaffyLensLane]

The fact that Watson did not take those men's tools and could appreciate the importance to them to me speaks volumes to me, i highly respect him for that

[@Frankie5Angels150]

They lost the war and killed millions of people. Screw them and their tools.

[@daystatesniper01]

As a British person i find it hard to swallow that we let all these "wonder-weapons" go from our shores ,not for the advancement of tech but as museum pieces for future generations to look and wonder at

[@JohnSmith-ei2pz]

Nonsence! The RAF had the a/c & evaluated them!

[@tonydoggett7627]

Australians are good at procurement!

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@daystatesniper01 The RAF scrapped some pretty rare examples when their evaluation squadron was done with them after WW2. You had a Ta-152 and an Arado 234 that were scrapped, and some other unique examples. I often wonder if remains of those aircraft are still buried at RAF Farnborough.

[@JohnSmith-ei2pz]

@@FiveCentsPleaseThe RAF do not recognise technology RAE is a different organisation and a different matter.

[@christianray7916]

Wouldn’t be British today had the US /USSR not come along

[@normmcrae1140]

The Flying Heritage Museum in Everett Washington completely restored an ORIGINAL 262 - INCLUDING the Junkers Jumo 004 engines to actual flying condition. The only difference is that they used improved metals to rebuild the engines for extended life (the originals were only good for 25 hrs of running time before they burned out!). Unfortunately, the Aircraft side of the Museum was closed and sold off to the Grandson of the founder of Walmart. Hopefully the collection will remain.

[@EpochofJoe]

I thought that the me-262 was a recreation, worked on at Arlington Municipal Airport north of Paine field? It's on my bucket list to visit this museum IMMEDIATELY, as I only recently learned about it after moving back home late 2019. So exciting!

[@normmcrae1140]

@@EpochofJoe That one is the ONLY Flying ORIGINAL - There were 5 that were recreations (using modern parts and engines) but the FHM took Original Jumos and re-engineered the original parts that were susceptible to damage and recreated them with modern materials. I remember hearing that it should last for 300 hrs or something - the originals were only good for 25 hrs. Wish I could find where I heard about it.

[@lordagmar]

I've been waiting for that museum to open up to see some of the unique exhibits they have. I read it's finally opening back up this memorial day weekend. Hopefully the collection is all there

[@normmcrae1140]

@@lordagmar Apparently they were sold, but I don't know anything else. It would be great to know.

[@greggougeon4422]

Fun fact the me 262 were fitted with jumo 004B engine's. The 004A engines were actually superior in every way they just used way way more strategic materials. They were tested to last 200 hours without rebuild. It was decided to use an engine that used less strategic materials so the 004B was born.

[@alanmoffat4454]

COULD YOU DO A EPISODE ON ALL OF PAPER CLIP AND ITS RESULTS 😊 .

[@ManfredHeinrichP]

Quite obviously, German technology was the main incentive for unleashing WW2 and then subjugating Europe to the Anglo-Saxons! Supporting the Soviets was only to position them against Germany as a proxy war, much like the Ukrainians against Russia today.

[@maverickmuff1601]

CANT HEAR YOU HOSS

[@AMGC43]

This kid obviously got his caps lock stuck. Lol. I remember being young.

[@mick7even]

An

[@umute1653]

This plane is mesmerizing due to its shape its way of flying it’s engineering. It’s a marvel beyond anything

[@thomasshepard6030]

The RAF jet was faster than the 262 the gloster meteor was capable of 600mph the 262 was 540 but the never met in combat

[@Frankie5Angels150]

@@thomasshepard6030 Yeah yeah yeah, everything British is the best. You used to have an empire too and still bow to a king, so I’d keep those opinions to yourself, man.

[@AzovAzza]

I have had the opportunity to see a couple of these aircraft. Amazing to think of how technologically advanced they were for their time… And where we’re at now. Mind boggling! Thanks for another fantastic video!

[@tomcurda4203]

Those were early images of the ME 262. She started as a tail dragger; but evolved into a tricycle aircraft.

[@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes]

Correct, this video used a lot of outdated film reels - I seriously doubt we captured and tested original tail dragger 262's - as they were never mass produced and only a few ever made before going over to Tricycle gear for the entire production run

[@4201productions]

originally A prop aswell

[@4201productions]

although only 2 prop versions were made and their are no remaining photographs

[@Frankie5Angels150]

@@4201productions Those props were fake to fool allied photo recon sweeps.

[@nickfury1279]

@@Frankie5Angels150 the first prototype flew in 1941 using a 700 hp Junkers Jumo 210G V12 engine, since the jet engines weren't ready at the time

[@alanbrown9178]

For first--hand commentary of flying the Me 262, I strongly suggest watching ' Eric "Winkle" Brown, Why the 262 was 5 years ahead of the US and Britain. ' He was one of the most experienced test pilots of that era.

[@DavidLee-df888]

Actually, he is/was the most experienced test pilot EVER. If not in total flight time, then certainly in the number and variety of aircraft flown.

[@robertoroberto9798]

Did he ever fly a P-80?

[@alanbrown9178]

@@robertoroberto9798 He flew 487 different types, plus many variations of these types, so I would think it a fair likelyhood that he did. He also carried out 2,047 deck-landings on 20 aircraft carriers.... the most ever recorded.

[@robertoroberto9798]

@@alanbrown9178 If he did (which is likely), then he is almost entirely wrong on the 5 years ahead thing. Allies had a lot better tech on infantry and naval weapons, with the air force being slightly ahead in most things except jet aircraft (in which they were close behind).

[@DavidLee-df888]

@@robertoroberto9798 You are joking, right? The Germans had the freaking MP43/44/Stg44, the precursor to all modern standard firearms of militaries around the world. It had attachments for shooting at night(the vampire), and even around corners(the Krummlauf)! They developed the fast combined arms doctrine(Blitzkrieg). They had probably the best submarine fleet in the world, and some of the most advanced surface warships which would have given the Royal Navy a really bad time if they had the resources to build more. The late war aircraft were designed and built out of sheer desperation but still managed to be truly innovative and dangerous, to friend and foe alike! They had the first combat operational JET aircraft for which they developed the swept wing which allowed for higher performance, and almost had a jet bomber too. And rocket planes powered by coal dust, doesn't that sound straight out of Sci-Fi? And finally, lets not forget they had cruise and ballistic missiles which they used to bombard other combatants primarily the UK and London. Almost none of the inventions listed above were in the Allies' arsenals. Indeed, many of the immediate postwar weapons fielded by countries around the world were either direct copies of, or closely related to, the German originals. The Nazis were a bunch of evil scum, but the Germans have always been smart...

[@bugstomper4670]

The ME 262 wasn't built exactly like the German Engineers wanted. So it only had a flight time of around 3000 hours, before certain engine parts melted to the point, were they had to be replaced. It was near the end of the war, and Germany couldn't get access to exotic metals.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

25 hours between engine rebuilds.... As an aside, Kurt Tank was taken to inspect a shot down B17. After he inspected one engine he said Germany would lose the War. When asked how he had figured that out he said that the USA could spend engineering time machining engines to not need gaskets between the parts.... for engines that had a life in combat of less than 25 hours before, statistically, the aircraft would be a total loss. Germany did not have that luxury and could not compete on the mass engineering front...so it would lose.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

That's a popular but false myth. Germany was years ahead of the Allies in jet engine technology and Krupp P-193 Tinidur was available in 1932, similar to Nimonic alloy. It was replaced with Krupp P-198 Chromadur alloy with used no Nickel that was in short supply in Germany. Germany had access to Chromium and that is the primary metal in Chromadur.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@JohnSmith-yv6eq that's another great myth, although based on a tiny grain truth it is twisted into a lie... the Jumo-004A when switched to Chromadur alloy had terrible TBOs as little as 10 hours, but these engines never saw production or Luftwaffe service. The Jumo-004B introduced two major technical breakthroughs in jet engine technology that resulted in meeting or exceeded the RLMs 100 PFTR reliability test required for adoption into Luftwaffe service. 100 hours is the same reliability test required for the RAF and the USAAF during WW2. Testing conducted by Operation Lusty confirmed TBOs in the 55 hour range EXCELLENT by WW2 standards for high output Allied piston engines. Myth busted.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@JohnSmith-yv6eq Allied jet aircraft shot down no German planes, they only killed Allied pilots

[@johnwelch6490]

Wright down the road from me in Dayton.

[@ryandarcy6636]

I see what you did there....😂

[@abelgerli]

My father was a child when he saw the Horten IX flying near the autobahn where he lived. Ten years ago when he saw a documentary about it and realised what it was back then.

[@thomasshepard6030]

My father was with the RAF during WW2 at the end of the war he was tasked with getting German secret aircraft back to Britain 🇬🇧 before the Russians got to them he also was involved in bringing the V1 and V2 rockets that were left at PEENEMUDE

[@abelgerli]

@@thomasshepard6030 The real problem with all of this exciting technology is that war is the driving force behind it. We should be over territorial disputes like in Ukraine. But we have all to stand out ground against aggression. My lessen of history is that propaganda is the cornerstone of totalitarian regimes and therefore am deeply sceptical when people can't talk anymore over facts like in the US. Or when dictators believe their own propaganda like in the us. Thanks for liberating Europe from that mad man back then !

[@kkteutsch6416]

Horten, not Horton...

[@jezzlee23]

I would just like to say that I thoroughly enjoy watching you're content and never miss an upload. I think it's also your voice and true history thatcaptivates me and makes it enjoyable to watch your content 😊

[@sim.frischh9781]

Whoever named that Operation, he certainly had humor.

[@arailway8809]

I have seen one Me 262. Form followed function to perfection.

[@litebkt]

The Smithsonian has a 262 on display. Even now, it is one of the most beautiful planes I have ever seen.

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

Wright Patterson Air Force base and home of The National Air Force museum in Dayton ohio where most of these aircraft are on display today and it's free admission

[@wellitsjustG]

that tidbit about the tools was touching. Glad you put it in there.

[@MtnBoar]

Beautiful episode!

[@dakotakruse726]

I live in Columbus Indiana about 20 minutes away from freeman field. Supposedly there are still German planes and parts buried out at freeman field which is now a recreation park.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@dakotakruse726 An archeological team obtained permission to do some exploratory digs around Freeman Field to look for several aircraft that are not accounted for from the old inventory lists. After a few digs they recovered a lot of parts from various aircraft including parts of Me-262 turbines, propeller blades, etc. They were looking for a missing Me-262, Do-335, Fw-190, and He-219 but I don't think they found parts to identify those aircraft, or anything with a serial number on it.

[@smokin14u]

I always wonder how the world would have been with the technology advances if we had no wars and we all worked together.? who knows how far the human race would have come.. Another awesome DarkDocs story on the evolution of jet powered aircraft

[@Dsdcain]

Considering all the advancements that were made *because* of the wars we may have progressed more slowly. Many of the things we take for granted now like GPS, powerful personal computers, and more, were developed to stay ahead of the Russians/Soviet Union during the cold war. There are even advancements in healthcare that came from war. The Vietnam war led indirectly to paramedics becoming a thing. Trauma treatment improved because helicopters were perfected for military use and transported men quickly to hospitals. That helped show how important they could be for civilian use. Just a lot of stuff, sadly, is related to advancements made during wartime that benefitted the things we have now.

[@robertsears8323]

We would still be in the stone age.

[@tomhenry897]

Still be using horses As had no need to improve

[@GrrMeister]

[@schmerzdj5719]

We wouldn't hav advanced as far, war is the biggest pusher of tech innovation

[@babbybailey]

That was great, I never thought of the subject. Makes me think of what other machines they captured and used its technology.

[@rosesprog1722]

They plundered the whole country, they stole everything from artworks to rockets but hey, who would complain, anything could be done to those nazis, they were so evil.

[@philliplopez8745]

Such a truly American responce " I am not going to take that mans livelyhood "

[@oveidasinclair982]

I flew the Me262 a lot playing the IL-2 video game, you had to spool those engines up slowly, if you throttle up too fast the turbine section goes out on you.

[@philster1883]

I interviewed Sobel about Watson's Whizzers. He was the first American to solo in the 262. And , and he said that after each soloed, they snapped the metal propeller blades off their USAAF collar insignia. Hey, they didn't need propellers. They were official jet pilots. When the squadron officially turned the airplanes over to Hap Arnold each Whizzer wore their prop-less insignias. He was a cool interview. I sent him an old prop insignia and he broke off the blades and sent it back. What a story.--Phil Scott

[@Mach5Johnny]

I’d love to see a ME 262 fly at an airshow one day

[@NathanPurvis-hm8nc]

Please cover the other captured planes watson's wizzers analyzed

[@Desire123ification]

Excellent Channel 💯

[@surinfarmwest6645]

The Spitfire was an MG Roadster, the Thunderbolt was a Plymouth Roadrunner, the ME-262 was a Porsche 911 Whale Tail. The agility of the former and the power of the later.

[@robertoroberto9798]

Agility? By speed, then sure, but no way was it more maneuverable than a P-51 or a Spitfire.

[@kriztlumburt714]

@@robertoroberto9798 that’s what the guys in Thunderbolts and Mustangs kept saying… it’s easy to outmaneuver a plane that is traveling near 200mph faster than the target formation. Not a problem at all. The ME262 could make three gun passes at any B-17 with escort cover.. and all the fighters and gunners on bombers could hit was the air where the plane was. Why do people hate on Germans? A “German” is not a Nazi.. and you don’t have to be a “German” to be a Nazi.

[@robertoroberto9798]

@@kriztlumburt714 Where on Earth did you get me saying I hate Germans. Also, bullets go faster than 600 miles an hour, so while the Me-262 were swooping in to attack a bomber, the more experienced allied pilots would just lead further ahead.

[@kriztlumburt714]

@@robertoroberto9798 sorry I didn’t really specifically say you.. I was leaning towards Germany’s haters. I’m a descendant of an SS Officer so I have mixed feelings, but German people are awesome. They got a bad rap for what their leadership left them after the collapse.

[@kriztlumburt714]

@@robertoroberto9798 a lot of peeps shitting on Germany’s ability to make war. They did have an advantage over us in quite a few things vís-a-vís they did take virtually all of Europe without significant losses to the German Army or Air Force.. plus African lands.. and had total control over the North Sea, the Atlantic and the Mediterranean for a long time before we were able to stop their momentum/land grab

[@amadeusamwater]

There was an underground factory where the 262 was assembled. Did the Americans get that?

[@klaus-peterborn1370]

That was a factory fore the He162 not Me262,

[@amadeusamwater]

@@klaus-peterborn1370 ME @^@ parts and assemblies were produced at B8 Bergkristal-Esche underground complex in Austria, the Engelberg motorway tunnel and a mine complex under Walpersberg mountain.

[@sammyseguin2978]

And yet at the start of the Korean war, US designers were still building straight wing jet aircraft, and were shocked at the sight of the Russian built, swept wing MIG 15. So much for Watson's Whizzers studying and learning from German technology

[@robertoroberto9798]

The swing sweep on the Me-262 did little effect on the aerodynamics. In fact, the Douglas DC-3 had the same amount of sweep but went slow. The straight edge sweep only became disadvantage when planes like the F-86 going faster than the P-80 where the aerodynamic forces of a swept wing came into play.

[@joetrey215]

The F-86 entered service in 1949, before the beginning of the Korean War.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

Outstanding video ! Imagine what the US and Germany could have achieved without a world war. We would of probably gotten to the moon 20 years sooner.

[@tankman7711]

Not only was Freeman Field used but the Military Airport at Jefferson Proving Grounds , in Southern Indiana, were also used to not only test the ME-262 but other captured enemy aircraft. Southern Indiana was where the weapons testing of these birds occurred also. Not all those ME-262 went to Arizona nor were all nazi markings removed from all birds. Two ME-262's were " dug up" at Freeman approx 20 years ago and one at Jefferson Proving Ground along with a boatload of parts...like several Tails still showing swastika unblemished. Many other enemy aircraft parts were " dug up" at JPG while we were cleaning up the Arty Impact area. This area is still used for Arty and " other' training uses.

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

Just south of wp myself and i think i saw one of thier new toys one night in my thermal scope by accident. Coukd not see or hear it at all other than in the scope Football shape moving very slow. About a year ago

[@islandnites]

If ever there was such a thing as a flying shark - ME-262 would be foremost?

[@richardcline1337]

at 8:28 was my date of birth. Now, at nearly 78 years old, I still try to keep up with all that happened during WWII. I cringe at the thought of what would have happened had Hitler and Goering not made so any dumb mistakes.

[@danielafreedman]

Howard Hughes had his own ME-262 jet which he swore by. He even wanted to race the Air Forces new Starfire Jet, but they wouldn't allow it.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@danielafreedman The former Howard Hughes Me-262 was at Planes of Fame Museum and was purchased by billionaire Paul Allen for his airworthy project. Allen died just as the project was finishing and the original can taxi. New owners are taking over and maybe the flying example will be finished soon.

[@snuffle2269]

My uncle was a captain in the 729th Railroad Operating Battalion and got a Distinguished Service Medal and a Legion of Merit besides his Bronze star and Purple Heart W/2 oak leaf clusters, this on his DD214. Since the service records from WWII were destroyed in the 1973 St. Louis fire my only thought for these honors to a lowly captain was from a couple of photos in a cigar box with his medals. They were him in front of V-2 components on railroad cars for shipment back to the states before the Russians could get them. A tail section, a nose and rocket motor pumps 3X each on different cars. All this technology coming back from those technical savvy Germans.

[@rosesprog1722]

Are you saying that they didn't find the Horten 229? Of course they did, but they won't admit it, they say that it's a rare case of synchronicity, same idea, same time, across the world... yeah right! Problem is, all this material was taken as war "reparations" without previous negotiations with the German authorities making it a crime under international law. Unfortunately, they didn't limit themselves to war technology, they took everything, blueprints, patents, gold, industrial secrets, artwork, Bonds, nuclear research and materials, cash, public AND private property, anything that looked like it was worth something including the scientists to operate the damn stuff, some came willingly, others were abducted. They even emptied the Russian occupation zone before the Soviet occupying team got there, the whole thing had been planned in advance. This ended up being the biggest systematic loot in human history and although they claim most of it was returned after the war, there's a possibility they might not be telling the truth here... You can google: -The Great Patent Heist 1945 -The Monument Men -ALSOS -T-Force -The Office of the Custodian of Alien Property -The Foreign Documents Division -Secrets by the Thousands The excellent book 'Science, Technology, and Reparations, Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany' by John Gimbel (1990) Enjoy, and tell your friends about this.

[@Kommunisator]

I knew there was something wrong with the ME262 pictures on the ground in this video, then it hit me: They must have been a render or mockup, because the real ME262 hat a tricycle landing gear with a singular front wheel under the nose, not one at the back. Edit: Saw later how Strobell damaged the center landing gear, so it was probably him after landing skidding the back of the machine on the ground.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Tom Curda 2 days ago Those were early images of the ME 262. She started as a tail dragger; but evolved into a tricycle aircraft. 1 reply Mad-Duk Machine Werkes Mad-Duk Machine Werkes 2 days ago Correct, this video used a lot of outdated film reels - I seriously doubt we captured and tested original tail dragger 262's - as they were never mass produced and only a few ever made before going over to Tricycle gear for the entire production run

[@BCstyle01]

These are the kind of stories that deserve to be made into big budget feature films, instead of a lot of the regurgitated nonsense we keep getting!

[@Eth3realwarrior]

Reboots, remakes, live action re imagining, spinoffs and sequels is all the BS we're getting. A million stories never to be told because of a lack of "diversity".

[@kevinmckay5052]

that segment of canadian troops leaving a landing craft on d day is so over used due to the rarity

[@charlieyerrell9146]

Are they Canadian or are they British. They look more British than Canadian.

[@peoplehavetherights]

The only time i saw an ME-262 eas at a an airfield right over the freeway in Philadelphia, and it was one of the even rarer planes with two people on board, with the radar attenena array at the nose...this hoes back to the early '90s and i have seen it since. I hope it finally made it indoors to preserve it.

[@Billnail]

When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, the Willow Grove Naval Air Station just outside Philadelphia had a two-seater ME-262 displayed on the street corner with other planes. In the 90's, they took that plane to be rebuilt.

[@kimvibk9242]

Somebody else probably commented on this already...the 30 mm guns on the Me 262 are named MK108, where MK means Maschinenkanone and 108 is the model number.

[@brooksroth345]

Great program!

[@Russão000]

My Uncle was a Su-25 Pilot during the 80s, he says in the base where his group was situed they had some rare planes on hangar for Airshows, a MiG-9, Yak-15, Me262, Bf109 F, Yak-3, P-39 Airacobra, a British Hurricane and some others he can identify, i know this planes from War Thunder but never seen some of them IRL (i see the Yak-3 and the MiG-9 in Airshows), im happy recently i got the Su-25 in WT same my Uncle shows me with details that he Piloted, i had all this planes he said me on it too

[@Mordalo]

Sometimes you are really good and others, you just create your own reality. This is one of those.

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

The large red arrow is pointing at a B-17. This is useful.

[@robertoroberto9798]

Love clickbait!

[@mompracem01]

There are aircraft that are truly art crafts to me. This happens with the Me262, the F5 Tiger, the Boeing 747, the Concorde, for example. Beauties of the sky.

[@HiTechOilCo]

Somehow you forgot the F-14 Tomcat on your list of the most beautiful aircraft.

[@thomasgumersell9607]

Thankfully the Messerschmitt Me 262 Schwalbe ( nicknamed Swallow ) The Fighter plane version Gernan jet proplelled aircraft. This was the worlds first operational jet powered fighter aircraft. Thankfuily this only saw combat at the close of WW2. Truely an incredible jet powerred fighter jet invented by the Germans. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨

[@rollfpeters5159]

I like thes old black and white reports--more than intresting--just great thx rollf

[@Eric-kn4yn]

Me262 looks very much more sophisticated areodynamically than allies offerings meteor shooting star. A clean version 262 reached 624mph in 1944

[@johnfairchild3421]

Damn. Never heard about thatt

[@gort8203]

In level flight or in a dive? At what altitude?

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Adolf Busemann tested the Me-262 to speeds up to Mach 1.4 at the RLMs Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt supersonic wind tunnel laboratories in Brauschweig. It's all swept control surfaces and fly-by-wire Horizontal Stabilator system gave it the highest critical Mach number of any aircraft during WW2.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@gort8203 On August 19th, 1944 Luftwaffe pilot Heinz Herlitzius took off from Flugplatz Leipheim and reached a record top speed in level flight for an air breathing production combat aircraft of 624 mph (1,004 km/h) in a Messerschmitt Me-262 interceptor variant over the official FAI 3 kilometers course and measured with a Ariskana Cinetheodolite, it is an Official DAC Air Speed Record.

[@gort8203]

@@WilhelmKarsten If that is true why is the top speed of the 262 usually listed as 560 mph? If a speed record was attempted in 1944 perhaps it was not an official FAI record due to the war. And it was probably not a production version of the aircraft if it went significantly faster. I did find this: "The Me 262 V9, Werknummer 130 004, with Stammkennzeichen of VI+AD, was prepared as the HG I test airframe with the low-profile Rennkabine racing-canopy and may have achieved an unofficial record speed for a turbojet-powered aircraft of 975 km/h (606 mph), altitude unspecified." Unofficial, altitude unspecified, probably not representative of a stock aircraft. Where did you get the info on the 624 mph speed?

[@knowingyourmind]

Grew up just down the street from WPAFB. They've got a 262 there, as well as a host of other captured aircraft. If you ever get the chance to go, TAKE IT! I also spent 25 years in Tucson. The boneyard is a very sad place. I'm a wee bit spoiled (ok, OK, A LOT spoiled) because I've visited the museum at Wright-Pat more times than I can count, from the mid-sixties onward, but, the Pima Air & Space Museum is nothing to shake a stick at. They also have a 109 out there. Again, if you ever get the chance to stop by out there, take it, as well.

[@kaideechu]

The fluid dynamics of Me-262 is very advanced even in today's standards.

[@rodfrost5051]

This was one of my favorite videos yet. Please keep them comming.

[@thywarhag1131]

Cool video , thanks 🍺🤘

[@ericlaycock9688]

I remember someone had built some new ME 262 s in the 90s with modern engines of course.

[@stuartmurdoch4404]

Texas aircraft corporation

[@fuyu5979]

The race was on to capture/acquire those tech weapons such as ME262. Awesome vid of a technological advanced aircraft of its time! Kudos for background, archival films n still pics. Looking forward to ur next one. Peace

[@drivernjax]

A long time ago, I read an article about Watson's Whizzers. That was the first time I ever saw an Me-262 wearing American colors.

[@daviddennis5789]

At 7:57 what a great story. One of the reasons Americans could rightly be called "the good guys".

[@anubis20049999]

Here I am watching the history of Operation Barbarrosa, I forgot DarkDocs, Skies,Seas, etc, has everything I need.

[@DAYNURSERY]

Was the pilot who tested the Me-262's cannon on the B-24 credited with a strafing kill?

[@conceptalfa]

There are 2 ME-262 displayed, among others, in all their beauty in an air museum in Prague, Czech Republic, free entrance!!! Although only opened summer time!

[@elijahhodges4405]

You should premiere the jet engine aircraft the USA was testing during the war.

[@stingray427man]

Shout out to the Bomber Barons

[@Carl_ATHF]

The bombing of Dresden and Hiroshima / Nagasaki was a War Crime committed by zionist war mongers. Prove me wrong. (Pro tip: You cant)

[@SlipKnot7866]

the fact that the USA had a Heinkel 177 Greif and then wound up scrapping it pisses me off so much... Shit should've been preserved and placed in a museum.

[@RaggedGothic]

This was an interesting and informative video, and the American technology teams of operation lusty were nothing, if not intrepid. It does strike me, though, that there was a bit of "reinventing the wheel" about their study and reverse engineering process of the "Me-262". The British jet, the "Meteor" by the Gloster Aircraft Company, was operational with the RAF within a month of the Me-262. One would think that the USAAF could have profitably learned a lot more about jets, their flight characteristics, and how to fly them from greater communication with the RAF, rather than having to rediscover everything on their own and learn from scratch. Also, perhaps it's beyond the ambit of this particular documentary, but it would be interesting to know about how much the other allies learned from German air designs; I have to suppose that the United Kingdom and Soviet Union, at least, must have rushed to secure the same technology that the United States did.

[@OscarthemofugginGrouch]

It’s hilarious then that the Yanks have the best fighter jets in the world and a currently undefeated one nick named Raptor that is over a 40 year old design that can smack every countries airforce without a single loss . These same countries cry foul that we won’t sell them either.

[@damianousley8833]

The British were very close on the heals of the Germans in the development of jet aircraft. If the British had only supported Frank Whittle earlier, then Britian may have had the first jet aircraft and the first operation fighter jet aircraft. One has to remember that Frank Whittle held all three patents for the centrifugal jet engine, axial jet engine, and the turboprop engine. The German researchers got into a rut in concentrating on the axial jet engine and had developmental problems due to shortages or high temperature alloys for the early radial engines. The centrifugal jet engines had fewer maintenance issues and operated for longer before maintenance than the early radial jet engines. It still took Rolls Royce 5 years to really iron out the issues with radial jet engines.Even Eric Brown commented that the Germans had little to no data for the properties of their jet aircraft flying in the trans sonic region of flight and it was The British and US that test flew and recorded the trans sonic performance of the gernan aircraft after the war.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Frank Whittle was at least 2 years behind Hans von Ohain and other German programs. Germany quickly abandoned the inferior centrifugal compressor turbojet and was at least 10 years ahead of Britain at the end of the war. Germany pioneered supersonic aircraft technology, the Allies were completely in the dark regarding this field. The Messerschmitt Me-262 was light-years ahead of any Allied aircraft in transonic aerodynamic technology and no Allied aircraft came close to its critical Mach number performance.

[@damianousley8833]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hans von Ohain was still a beginning university Studebnt when Whittle took out his first patent on the principles of turbo jet engines in 1930.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@damianousley8833 Sorry but those old British propaganda myths won't fly here lad... Maxime Guillaume patented the turbojet aircraft engine in 1921, when a 14 year-old Frankie was still wearing short pants. Whittles biography is well documented and he would not begin any actual work on jet engines until moving to Rugby in 1936, 2 years after Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn built the first turbojet engine in Gottingen Germany. Frank Whittle was only the 4th person to successfully demonstrate a jet aircraft engine on May 15th 1941... 2 after The Heinkel He-178 on August 27th 1939 in Rostock Germany.

[@mr.jenkins8961]

Seymour Indiana mentioned, swell with Hoosier pride! Good to know my home town actually had some use

[@braddeicide]

Germany was a tech treasure chest at the end of the war

[@skipgetelman3418]

I got to see and touch one of these incredible planes at the Navy museum inPensacola Such a beautiful plane

[@kjellg6532]

Why all that noise in the background?

[@gerry-p9x]

How they fly kets with pnly piston engine flight time😊

[@sisleymichael]

I watched this video, and like so many you post, I ask myself why Hollywood cannot use these stories for their movies? Real history is exciting, and it is recorded. The scrip is not there, but the story outline is there. I then reflect on who runs Hollywood, what their mission seems to be, and realize, it is not about making good films, but rather their sick social agenda. Maybe in a new America one day history will be used, told accurately, to deliver excitement, thrills, and entertainment. What a radical concept.

[@eamo106]

Me 262s 'sold or scrapped' , what were they thinking ?

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Clearly they weren't thinking

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Excellent Video! 👊 😎

[@duanepigden1337]

Both USA and Russia learned a lot from German scientists.

[@DanaTheInsane]

I got to visit the people recreating the 262 in Washington state, but sadly got no pictures as a "journalist" had taken previous pictures of one with "authentic" markings and had made political hell for them. It was an amazing experience just to stand close to it.

[@mclarenscca]

Are there any ME-262's left?

[@JohnSmith-ei2pz]

Yes the stupid RAF gave it back to the Nazi's and it is exhibited by the neo-nazi's!

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@mclarenscca Worldwide there are eight original Me-262s that survive, plus a couple of reconstructions and wreckage. The Czechs made a few examples from leftover parts after WW2, and two of those Avia examples are in museums there. In the 1990s a special project was created to build a few new examples that are flyable for customers, and that project made five new examples with four of those airworthy with GE turbines.

[@pcmacd]

1:50 - Is THAT really NORMANDY? I think not. Correct me, please?

[@o2wow]

At 4:53 "Rauchen Verboten" + smoking prohibited.

[@SMDoktorPepper]

Its sad that almost all these testbeds were destroyed.

[@thomasshepard6030]

My father was with the RAF during WW2 as the allies were going into Germany he was tasked with getting German secret aircraft back to Britain 🇬🇧 before the Russians got to them he was also sent to peenemude to to collect as much of the V1 rockets and other secret missilesi have old photographs of him standing next to a V2 missile on the back of its transporter vehicle in Holland

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Unfortunately the British usually had to make do with whatever scraps the Americans had left behind... the Majority of the German Aerospace industry was shipped back to America with Operation Paperclip and Operation Lusty.

[@onmyworkbench7000]

One unrelated point, when the US started evaluating the captured German aircraft the technicians noticed that the gauges such as oil presser, engine temperature, engine RPM, manifold presser among others installed in the instrument panels in some the captured aircraft were at wonky angles, at first they thought that it was due to shoddy workmanship then after working with the aircraft the technicians realized that it was intentional. What it did was once everything in the aircraft got up to it's operational ranges all of the needle on all of the gauges pointed straight up. This way it made it much easier and faster to tell if something was out of it's operational range so the pilot could take the what ever appropriate action required.

[@ohanailo7743]

Wow, just imagine if you could have purchased one of those aircraft destined for the scrap yard. Even if you could have purchased just one Jet, that would’ve been some collection for history.

[@richardwatson298]

Watson's Whizzers 😮

[@gravidar]

Closest I ever came to seeing an ME262 was the airfix model I made as a kid, such a beautiful piece of aviation engineering, I refused to put the swastika on it though. After the Spitfire, nothing came close in looks until the F14 in my book.

[@alexsmith-gn4tp]

If only the Allies would have agreed a seperatist peace with only the western Allies, the whole of European history would be SO different & better.

[@ItsMrAssholeToYou]

IKR. Even a covert peace, where the Germans would 'mysteriously withdraw' ahead of the western allies advance, so they could go slow the Soviets on the eastern front.

[@KFO6666]

Mk=Maschinenkanone. Not "mark" I'm afraid.

[@EddyKorgo]

Can you imagine going through all the nazi technologies and documents? Maybe im just fantasizing and it wasnt anything outer worldly but just imagine what it was like for americans back then. Its must to have felt like alien technologies.

[@JamesEhler]

Looking back, it sure is crazy how much cool shit that we just.... scrapped.

[@Yggdrasil92]

So if you look at the situation of Germany at that time, cut off from resources hardly any aviation fuel left to run the piston powered aircraft. But then one of the best fighter planes there was at that time also considering that the Jumo 004A engine could go 100 hours full load until overhaul while the production version the Jumo 004B due to lack of resources mostly due to overheating and cracks in the impeller blades had only 25 hours of flight operation. Even the 25 hours were not achieved by most of the engines. Then there was the J-2 fuel which was used instead of the usual aviation fuel and which was specially manufactured for the engines. Basically this J-2 fuel is inferior and easier to produce, you need twice as much to run a Me 262 but you could use the more valuable aviation gasoline to power the piston powered aircraft. If you look at all this and then consider what the Me 262 has achieved in its short service, this aircraft what due to lack of resources and fuel shortage is only more impressive.