Darkest Hour (2017) - Would You Stop Interrupting Me While I Am Interrupting You?! (HD)

[@thebegleyshow3320]

Battle of the SB’s: Stannis Baratheon vs Sirius Black.

[@AlanGohel]

No future comments on this video are gonna be as good as this one.

[@furioussherman7265]

Sirius wins, hands down.

[@yourlocalnoob29]

​@Joachim Hans Why don't you shut up and just shove along. People do care about his comment because it's *funny*. I don't think you're capable of handling that. And guess what, he has 217 likes meaning 217 people are backing him up and probably even more agree, I think you're just jealous. Hating on random people and calling them nerds

[@dakotataylor2712]

@Joachim Hans fucking crybaby alert

[@aryaaswale7316]

When i read the first three words i thought it would be about the sackville bagginses no dissapointed though

[@christiannavarro3519]

“You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in it’s mouth.” Golden.

[@attackpatterndelta8949]

He never actually said it though.

[@theeternalguardian4185]

@@attackpatterndelta8949 no ,he did! Probably not under these specific circumstances but he actually did.

[@burtan2000]

I've long wondered, what if the tiger has a bit of nasty thorn in his paw, and you have his balls - mighty they may well be - firmly in your grip? I daresay the tiger might then reconsider his position.

[@riggingpots3453]

@@burtan2000 He still has very big teeth try it someday see how it works out.

[@98cents]

@@burtan2000 Most animals are not intelligent enough for that kind of deductive reasoning. In a situation faced with extreme danger, you can guarantee that regardless if you have its nuts in your hand, it will rip your damn arm off for sure. Big predators like this definitely know the danger of damaging those organs, it's a very vulnerable spot that can end life in numerous ways, and its importance to their future and the ultimate goal to spread their genes is strongly imprinted on them. Other predators can and will attack this spot with very high priority if given the opportunity, and none of them will just roll over and let you do it without a fight.

[@ARC9652]

_"When will the lesson be learned? _*_When_*_ will the lesson be learned?! How many dictators must be.. Wooed, appeased? Good god, given immense privileges _*_before we learn!_*_ You cannot reason with a tiger _*_WHEN YOUR HEAD IS IN IT'S MOUTH!_*_ "_

[@srsherman7390]

or it's shell exploded in your hull

[@ReaverLordTonus]

Considering the fact that in history, leading up to when this scene takes place The European powers raised few objections to Hitler's aggressive expansion out of fear that it would caus a conflict. I would say Britain had appeased and indulged Germany far too long before this point.

[@Wustenfuchs109]

@@ReaverLordTonus You start from the wrong assumption that appeasement was intended to AVOID war. It wasn't. The intention of appeasement of the western powers was to POSTPONE the war in order to prepare better for it, and in the meantime throw Hitler as much towards the east and south as possible, chipping away at Germany's strength. They never planned for the appeasement to avoid war, at all. The moment Hitler came into power with his revanchist rhetoric, France and UK started increasing their military spending rapidly and just wanted to postpone the onset of war as much as possible so they would be adequately prepared for it.

[@meatilicious1900]

All I got from that was: *WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!? WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!? THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES*

[@lavaknight3682]

TonesTheGeek in addition to what Александар Матић said, that was a policy carried out by the man Churchill succeeded, Neville Chamberlain

[@orangefox1231]

The beauty of this scene is you can nod along with Halifax. That’s what made his line of thinking so dangerous. Because it was rooted in logical thought and not always wrong. Just would always be wrong against a man like Hitler.

[@orangefox1231]

Exactly. It reminds me a lot of Spielberg's Lincoln. You heard all the arguments and saw all POVs in a film that was centered on the main protagonist, so in essence, you experience what he experiences and bear the weight of what is in his mind as he makes the tough decisions.

[@gatonasrani5700]

You've mentioned the rational and logical line of thinking of Halifax, and in fact he's right about the direness of the British land armed forces' situation in the inminent struggle against their nazi antagonistas after the catastrophic defeat on the French campaign. And Hitler counted with that when offering a truce and peace negotiations, hoping the Britishers would act as Halifax sugested adamantly to Churchill and claudicate and appease. But proving Hitler so irrattional and effective in subyugate and rape the sovereignity of entire nations, appeased or not, Churchill undestood clearly that logic based in rational premises wouldn't work with a smart and voracious psychopath ruling a sociopatic regime with powerful means of destruction.

[@orangefox1231]

When I think of that situation Halifax wanted to go to, I think of the Aesop Fable where a jackal, a fox, and a wolf make a four-way pact with a lion to share whatever they all catch. A jackal finds a deer and the lion proceeds to cut up the deer with his claw and gives himself the overwhelming majority because who is going to stop him? Might is right in that situation and if you're going against the lion, you better be ready to fight even if you may lose because he'll take it from you anyway.

[@gatonasrani5700]

Halifax, in his expectations about Hitler (willingly assumed in his anguish and despair), didn't understand really the lionishly hungry nature of the German despot. But Churchill did and was very determinate to fight. As early as the Führer didn't honor his covenant with the placating Chamberlain and Dalalier, and swallowed Czechoslovakia. Stalin accepted the German proposal of the non agression agreement with him, very conscious about the voracity of the Nazis, and by the need to buy time in order to fix the horrible and criminal mess he did with his purges on the Red Army, and as soon as possible, to be ready and able to attack and finish Hitler. After (he hoped) the Boche was exhausted by the job of defeating France and Great Britain.

[@Briselance]

Totally.

[@robertwellman6503]

My favorite lines from this movie: “Was Gallipoli not enough for you?” “HOW DARE YOU! Our troops were chewing barbed wire in Flanders and I SAW IT”

[@markanthony3574]

Little known but Winston Churchill served for about a year on the Western Front AFTER Gallipoli failed- he didn't go to his country house he went to Flanders and lived in the blood, muck, and mud

[@1chish]

@@markanthony3574 And the King served in the Royal Navy on a battleship in Jutland and other battles because he was not heir to the throne. Churchill also served in the Boer war and was in a Boer concentration camp. The men who led the UK in WWII knew all bout the horrors of war and the evils of appeasement. Halifax was another Chamberlain.

[@brandonclark435]

Churchill was many things. Sexist, bigot, homophobe, and all that. But he knew the future if Hitler succeeded.

[@MasterIceyy]

@@brandonclark435 You've got to realise that those are all relatively modern things, churchill didn't live in the modern era so don't judge him by modern values

[@brandonclark435]

@@MasterIceyy Oh I understand which is why I look past it.

[@AliceInPantera]

I love how the door shuts on him at the end looking like he’s trapped alone in a prison cell. This movie was incredible

[@AshArcher]

Halifax was a smart, reasonable man... which is why he was not a good leader at the time. As Churchill said, you cannot reason with a tiger (Hitler) when your head is in it's mouth. Churchill understood Hitler, and understood there was no course other than to fight.

[@MingWLee]

Not very smart actually thinking Hitler will peacefully make terms with UK, a pipe dream that will destroy what UK have in hand. If he is smart, he should know what likely would happen if they engage in peace treaty with Nazi. Politician like him is the most dangerous when there is a crisis in hand, and thank god he did not come in power.

[@Cailus3542]

@@MingWLee Ironically, Hitler would probably have loved nothing more than simple peace with Britain. He had no interest in taking Britain’s empire and was much more interested in mainland Europe, the upcoming Holocaust and war with the Soviets. People look at the Battle of Britain as the turning point, or Stalingrad, or Moscow, or Midway. In reality, the most decisive moment of the war was when Britain decided to fight for Europe rather than simply acquiesce, as so nearly happened after the invasion of France. So much Germany’s defeat rested on that one precarious moment.

[@Prometheus7272]

@@MingWLee Hitler actually wanted an alliance with Britain, he probably would've created quite reasonable peace terms, thats a theory as to why he let the Brits escape at dunkirk.

[@MingWLee]

@@Prometheus7272 “when will the lesson be learnt?” Having such thought is a betrayal to those men who had already killed by Nazi invasion! There is no negotiation with any aggressive regime who invaded others country.

[@Prometheus7272]

@@MingWLee I didn't say the best course of action would be to sue for peace simply that Hitler probably would have given reasonable terms if they were too.

[@Kardia_of_Rhodes]

Acting is increddible, you can really feel how Churchill still beats himself up for what happened at Gallipoli.

[@carlospenaherrers5899]

That was a low blow for jalifas, how dare you

[@TankUni]

On the other hand, given it was such a debacle, he bloody well should have.

[@reubensher8144]

At Gallipoli ..he was no match to Ataturk..

[@mackgiver875]

I'm not sure Churchill beat himself up more like everyone else did just like Halifax brings it up because he knows it will piss him off and drive the point home.

[@mynames7664]

@@TankUni Churchill was actually correct in what he says though, you can debate what would have happened but all we do know is that it is FAR more likely that the flank would have worked if the admirals hadn't have blown the element of surprise at Gallipoli

[@SilentAssassin927]

There’s only one man that has the balls to yell at King Stannis Baratheon and that’s Winston Churchill.

[@Losrandir]

I wonder what Winston would be in GoT.

[@scrubsrc4084]

@@Losrandir the winner

[@sheldon-cooper]

Winston of the house Churchill

[@guifdcanalli]

@@sheldon-cooper hell the Churchill are noble so makes sense

[@LeCreuset05]

Especially when Churchill is played by none other than Vlad Tepes himself.

[@ConcreteSurfer420]

0:19 = a very symbolic action which shows that Winston Churchill would not negotiate with Hitler that he was shutting the door to Hitler and his negotiations

[@Briselance]

ConcreteSurfer420 05:15: And there, sir Churchill is symbolically in the dark, with but a little light near him. He is symbolically alone with his certainties and doubts.

[@Infernal460]

@Concrete I took it that he did not want the voice to go any further than it did.

[@pako5586]

0:00 here we see Churchill breathing symbolizing how he withstands the Hitler by not dying

[@dannyy8619]

Gary Oldman said Churchill closing the door on Hitler's broadcast is his favorite scene. With all of the wonderful scenes in the movie with all of the dialogue that Oldman has playing Churchill, this was still his favorite scene. It says a lot how powerful it was to him

[@striderafadesigner]

The choice is yours, Winston. Bend the knee, or be destroyed.

[@ryangreco8266]

Rafael Tavares he chose C 😎

[@radioactiverat8751]

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees

[@GloomGaiGar]

Hold my Spitfires and Hurricanes.

[@arthurfnshelby4335]

GloomGaiGar there will be bluebirds over the white.......

[@AliceInPantera]

I was trying to figure out what else I knew him from and it was driving me crazy...thank you!

[@Namblewood]

When Halifax said, “ Europe is lost” and the Admiral and General turned slowly; that was intense. The dire situation for Britain at Dunkirk and Norway was unquestionable. what the entire room all thought privately, was what Halifax had said publicly.

[@petershanks7607]

The fact that you can see yourself taking Halifax's position makes Churchill's all the more commendable. He had the courage to do what any reasonable person would consider outrageous.

[@Arcaryon]

I am glad for Churchills stubborn madness. Saved my beloved continent from certain totalitarianism.

[@petershanks7607]

@@Arcaryon yup. He had serious stones!

[@andrewespinoza7108]

Can someone explain to me why Halifax didn't serve as PM? He was seemed more popular by everyone in parliament. I'm a yank so not too familiar with this area of history

[@JMBluecoat8289]

Andrew Espinoza He didn’t want the job. He himself recognised that Churchill was more the warrior PM that was needed. That was weeks before he felt he needed to try to negotiate for peace, though. Churchill even made the point during the movie that he sat in the PM’s chair because Halifax was too much of a coward to do so himself. Say what you like about Halifax but he was shrewd enough to understand his own limitations. It’s a shame our modern politicians in Westminster right now can’t see theirs!

[@sonofizzy]

Try again. It was not reasonable to rely on Hitler being "reasonable". All one had to do is listen to his speeches, look at what he had his minions do, and the history of the Nazi party. Surrender to such as Hitler and the Nazis would be to not only give up your freedom, but would be surrender to the odious apparatus of the Gestapo, as Churchill put it. You might want to read Germany plans for England, which have been published, if you wish to gain more insight.

[@vinceb8041]

Halifax' position was logical, especially after an insanely costly, brutal war started and perpetuated for no real reason at all. He wanted to avoid a second senseless slaughter in Europe, which is a perfectly logical and humane thing to pursue. However, Churchill possessed the rare gift of insight, seeing that what could have saved Europe from disaster in one conflict, would destroy it beyond repair in another. Peace is always the right choice, except when it's not, and he knew that with an enemy like Hitler, no peace would have been possible. Any peace with the Nazis is no peace at all, just them biding time to gather strength to eventually destroy you.

[@thetowndrunk988]

There are a lot of comments about Hitler actually wanting peace, and even an alliance, with the UK. But people forget, we know that now after the fact, but no one knew that back then, not to mention Hitler had demonstrated, time and again, that he would renege on any agreement, if it suited him. There’s no reasoning with a mad man.

[@shuatastic]

Let's not pretend he had some great insight into the evils of Nazism when his main concern was simple perpetuating the British Empire. Hence why their maneuvers in the war were mainly to protect said asset.

[@willhovell9019]

Halifax was a peer of the realm . The only real power of decision making rested with Commons support. With the demise of Chamberlain , appeasement wasn't really an option. There was no logic in any of this when dealing with Hitler and Nazism.

[@vinceb8041]

@@shuatastic Good point, however, I don't see why the two motivations exclude each other. Actually, your comment nicely illustrates the special nature of his position: under any other circumstance, we would - in hindsight - condemn him for pressing a war to protect the empire's interest.

[@Briselance]

Senseless? To put it shortly, the UK intervened when Belgian neutrality was infringed on by Germany. And by treaty, this was the course of action agreed upon by both Belgium and the UK. Then, France would never have recovered Alsace-Lorraine without war, and France also had an assistance or alliance treaty with Russia.

[@megugu2155]

Thinking back, to stand up against Hitler's tyranny, you indeed had to be insane (Stalingrad, D-Day, Dunkirque, Battle of the Bulge) Thank God Winston Churchill was an insane old man.

[@dickburt69]

Absolutely. And thank god Hitler’s narcissistic insanity led to his downfall by engaging in a 2 front war, 3 fronts when considering Africa... If Hitler had focused on Europe alone, the Reich might be standing today. Crazy to think about.

[@NickH-ku2jy]

@@dickburt69 or even first take out england and then focussing on russia instead of both at the same time

[@dickburt69]

@@NickH-ku2jy I agree. I also think if Hitler had waited a bit longer to properly outfit the Reich with trucks to have better supply lines would have been a game changer. Also if he waited 10 years to start his war, the Nazis would have had Nukes, Jet Fighters, Long Range Bombers, etc etc. That would’ve been a nightmare.

[@Coconutszz]

And then the entire English Empire came crashing down and now they are a shadow of them former selves. They fucked up so hard American had to force feed supplies down their throats just so they could survive.

[@NickH-ku2jy]

@@dickburt69 that's why he ended ww1 as a korporal and not a commander :)

[@HydroSnips]

Fun fact: one of the soldiers at Gallipoli as a result of Churchill’s plan was one Captain Clement Attlee, who of course went on to be Clem Attlee MP, HM leader of the loyal opposition, later PM and (in this) Churchill’s Deputy PM in the war cabinet. Incidentally, Attlee concurred with Churchill that the Dardanelles expedition was lost by the Generals & Admirals and that Churchill’s plan was a sound one. His opinion may be coloured by his experience commanding an infantry company and spending months in squalid trenches ducking snipers, shell & mortar fire while beset by heatwaves, dehydration, hypothermia in Autumn and flooding. All the while seeing the evidence of military incompetence, futile attacks and brutal stalemate all around him.

[@starguy321]

In real life, Churchill let the debate go on openly for three days before an assurance from the chiefs of staff meant he could push his own view.

[@aikonoklas]

Peacetime leader vs wartime leader

[@ardalla535]

The British people WANTED to resist. Not all; but most. If Winston had not had the backing of the people, if they had wanted to surrender instead, then he would have made speeches and sounded like a fool. And the people would have demanded that the government open negotiations. This was the most important moment in history. If Britain had surrendered at this point, all of Hitler's might would have been available against the Soviets. The whole world would have fallen. Any attempt at landing American forces in Europe would have been easily crushed. Britain absolutely had to stay in the war. So the question is, why did the British people want to stay in the war when all seemed lost? Perhaps they knew that Hitler could not force his way across the Channel. The British fleet was still intact. And the RAF had not yet been defeated. Britain could be protected by the Royal Navy, and the Royal Navy could be protected by the RAF. In 1940, Britain was out producing Germany in aircraft by 30%. All hope was not lost. Maybe the people knew that and that's the reason they were so stubborn.

[@kenoliver8913]

Yes, the cold hard military advice Churchill was given upon coming into power was that it was unlikely a German invasion could succeed and Germany's shortage of critical resources means they would eventually lose a long enough war. The point of the RN's dominance was not just preventing invasion but, as in the Napoleonic wars and in WW1, a slow crippling of the continent through blockade. Churchill knew Britain's position was stronger than it looked.

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

Hitler even at full force likely never had a shot at taking down Stalin, but that doesn't make for a better outcome, because instead of Hitler expanding east, Stalin would have likely been emboldened to expand his own reach west and upon reaching Germany, very well could have pushed all the way across Europe and so they would have been swapped one dictator for another if the Western allies hadn't been involved.

[@keithrose6931]

Having not been invaded for nearly a thousand years makes the British a very stubborn breed.

[@darthstuckus928]

Gives me so much pride seeing him close the door when hitler’s voice is being played

[@samkresil6011]

Gary Oldman was utterly brilliant in this film as Churchill. He well deserved that Oscar.

[@yawgmoth6568]

Stephen Dillane is playing a character here almost the exact opposite of Stannis in Game of Thrones.

[@nsu777]

I greatly appreciate this movie, this particular scene and the one where Mr. Churchill convinces parliament to go to war. It greatly captures the power of words and those spoken articulately and passionately with both reason and emotion.

[@JohnnyWitney]

Churchill literally went through hell during those tough days, the stress on a man who quite honestly was not a healthy man must have been incredible. Thank God he had the intestinal fortitude to overcome those in the Government who wanted to negotiate what they thought was a peace agreement with Hitler and at the time was the most powerful military in the world. Europe would have been permanently subjugated

[@Arcaryon]

One can not stress enough how important Britain was even just by providing the USA with a landing zone for the invasion. Like, imagine a near total Soviet victory. That would also be a very dark timeline.

[@sonofizzy]

Churchill, the bulldog of a man who kept the British people's spirit alive during the terror bombings by the Nazis.

[@Basedlocation]

Permanently liberated* you fool now europe is subverted by gay trans queens and jewish rabbis like bro churchill is a traitor to the west

[@gustavoritter7321]

@@Arcaryon Soviet Union wouldn't have won alone. They wouldn't have lost and would have fought the Germans till exhaustion and then would have accepted some kind of peace agreement, especially if Japan felt like attacking from the East. Britain keeping in the war all the way allowed all the pieces to get in place.

[@Arcaryon]

@@gustavoritter7321 The point is that the Soviets would have weakened the Euro Axis so much that the latter would sue for peace and then it would result in a split of Europe that would probably last for decades between fasc and Soviet rule.

[@johndolan2168]

George VI never left London during the war. Says a lot for his character and his sense of duty.

[@cannonf_odder3041]

It seems like his failure in Gallipoli is still etched into his mind

[@simonwallis1787]

Well it would have been. The losses had been astronomical.

[@aquariumdude7829]

With good reason. Gallioli was a catastrophe of the first magnitude.

[@warrenrandall6936]

Halifax knew how to pick at Churchill's old wounds more than Hitler ever did.

[@matsand4719]

The actual meeting was brought to a close by Chamberlain who said that he knew from experience that Hitler could not be relied on to stick to terms agreed. See 5 Days in London by John Lukas

[@HistoryNerd8765]

"Was Gallipoli not enough for you?" Jesus Christ, that's too far...

[@Arcaryon]

At the time, was it? Was it the right time to fight? We know how things turned out but they didn’t.

[@Infernal460]

@@Arcaryon Agreed. If Churchill cant take criticism, how could he expected to take a country to war.

[@mackgiver875]

@@Arcaryon The dig about Gallipoli seemed to indicate that Halifax was accusing Churchill of ignoring his pleas for negotiations because he somehow enjoyed having entire divisions of the British Army dying on the battlefield, and I think Churchill could have said, "Wasn't Czechoslovakia and Poland enough for YOU?" Churchill wasn't being bloodthirsty, he was being practical, and Halifax was wrong about his belief in negotiating with Hitler.

[@Arcaryon]

@@mackgiver875 It mainly emphasized that at the time, Britain was a lot closer to ceasing hostilities than people imagine because alone, they simply couldn’t win. They couldn’t loose either but N. Germany could control the continent and import all it wanted from S. Russia/ S. Ukraine, making a victory impossible. N. Germany could also theoretic threaten Suez, given the historical connections with the former Ottomans and f. Spain was quite literally fascist too, also threatening the strait of Gibraltar. In times like this, Churchill took a gamble but it could also have been known as a disaster very easily. N. Germany would have invested into submarines, without focusing on the eastern front and more expensive occupations while Joseph Stalin would have essentially functioned as a banker for the latter, profiting from passively wearing his two biggest rivals while Japan was tied down in China and the USA unwilling to aid Churchill, given they knew that Germany couldn’t take the British isles and that they were also very unhappy with Britains ( and Europes ) imperialism/colonialism overall. The issue was that the British empire didn’t need Europe. Britannia rules the waves. If I am a cold hearted British politicians, I would have said ”we can maybe beat Stalins or A.H., we can’t beat both, and neither independent victory will bring us a day worth celebrating, let us wait and hope that they eventually go back to being at each other’s throats in a few decades or simply die and watch their shallow imitations of empire collapse.” Churchill helped to save Europe. But in the process he directly destroyed the colonial empire of his own nation. We like to look at him as a hero who won a war with a monster but at the time, what he proposed was madness. And I am glad he was mad enough to test his luck.

[@MacJaxonManOfAction]

We live in an immensely privileged time, so let's just ground this for a second: there were lives at stake here. Millions upon millions of human lives. Consider that before you rush to condemn either Churchill or Halifax. It's piss-easy to sit on judgement on people who didn't have the 20/20 you do.

[@mochrizkypratama6951]

well said

[@Arcaryon]

I am a bit surprised how few people realize how bad the situation was at the time. It really was the darkest hour of the whole century,

[@Mithril_Antimarr]

the time is not so very privileged and war may again be coming to the world due to the military expansionism of totalitarian countries

[@MacJaxonManOfAction]

@@Mithril_Antimarr Yes, that's the difference 9 months can make: they can make a new human life or simply bring more death.

[@Basedlocation]

@@Arcaryon darkness prevailed

[@dingopisscreek]

All of Churchill's previous experience in war & politics were preparation for his role as Prime Minister during the war. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Britain's greatest leader and voted greatest Briton.

[@kenoliver8913]

To be fair, all of Churchill's experience in war and politics to that date mostly consisted of blunders. And there were a great many blunders in the future too, especially in his postwar premiership. But in 1940 ...

[@aprilkalcsa9336]

Gary Oldman is such an Amazing actor. 👏

[@eugenebell3166]

That's a cracking line, I will remember to use it myself

[@andrewarnold9818]

I've never fully understood, with the benefit of hindsight of course, why Halifax seemed adamant on appeasement. Until recent events. When the threat of nuclear annihilation is abruptly clear, it seems a lot easier to continue to appease the brutal dictator in a currently far away country. It's eery how similar recent events have been. I've never feared for the future of myself, my family, and the planet more than I do now. I thought we were past this. We became complacent. Everyone who saw this happen is dying.

[@andrewarnold9818]

@@johnpoulter I think that's a lot to do with the fact that the last generation to really know what it's like to see the world fall apart is nearly dead. The US has grown soft with peace. It didn't have to be this way, if we'd learnt from the previous times in history that it's happened, but it is. We're at the precipice of a new era, and unfortunately its likely one that will see an end to our long held peace in the world. Full scale conventional war is not possible with a nuclear power, therefore it'll mostly be digital, but possibly with worse consequences.

[@MrDK0010]

And people in Europe today have forgotten about this. Appeasement is not an option. Peace at gunpoint is not an option.

[@JohnCena-ew1mf]

Lord Halifax seemed like a good man who only had his peoples best interests at heart. Unfortunately he made the age old mistake such men always make, assuming that a tyrant and madman like Hitler could be reasoned with as if his actions followed any sort of logic to begin with.

[@ryanbelcher25rb]

Indeed, especially when Hitler broke his non-aggression pact with the Soviets afterwards....

[@MaxPayne-fi1mz]

​@@ryanbelcher25rbHalifax had good logic. There was no guarantee that USA would enter and I'm pretty sure Churchill wouldn't really say Dictator thing to his war cabinet.... It's easy to say in hindsight. I'm pretty sure I would have reasoned that Halifax had stronger arguments.

[@paulleckner8235]

"You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in it' s mouth!" That is it right there!

[@Basedlocation]

The nazis gave militants alliances with britian but the british gave away their empire fools

[@yahormarkautsou5338]

Would you stop interrupting me while I'm interrupting you? Bravo, Winston! No compromise. If he would listen to Halifax or Chamberlain Great Britain would lose.

[@AaronBr00mfie7d]

how crazy was May 1940? In April 1940 the French Republic was considered strong enough to survive four years of war like it had in World War I. Combined British and French forces had never been defeated. France was still considered a world power. The fact that It had been defeated so easily within a fortnight signalled to the world that this new Germany might roll its tanks as far as there was enough supply lines to supply them. With America still intent on isolation and Russia Japan and Italy either aligned with or at peace with this Germany, the British Empire was truly alone.

[@ericsantana1184]

My message to my so called generation: We must never forget what history has taught us when it came to these words: Honor, Sacrifice and Courage. Those who favor history and continue to preserve our countries legacy are the real people who are of my generation. They are the Real People who don't desecrate or stomp on the faces of the descendants of our war heroes.

[@simonwallis1787]

I visited those war rooms below Whitehall before they were open to the public. Atmospheric does not even begin to describe it.

[@JR7noir]

What?

[@arcadiagreen150]

America should celebrate Winston Churchill as one of our own. If not for an ally like him, the war was far more uncertain than it already was

[@darrenlamb5640]

He was half American after all.

[@magnubeido832]

America does celebrate Churchill. The US named a destroyer after him. He was also awarded American citizenship by President Kennedy

[@Jonesyb90]

We were unbelievably close to entering peace terms. Dunkirk was pivotal, if the evacuation had failed we would have had little choice, it was arguably the most important event in WWII.

[@gioilcreatore3547]

Man, Britain would have been defeated if Soviet Union wouldnt have entered the war. Without them Europe would have been lost. Soviet Union forced Nazi Germany to deploy there the most of their resources and men. Its them who got to Berlin, its them who killed the most nazi soldiers. Without them sooner or later Britain would have bent the knee. So, the key moment was Operation Barbarossa and if we want to make westerns happy even the Attack on Pearl Harbor. But no Dunkirk, Britain never shifted the balance of the war.

[@Khryss-jr7ju]

@@gioilcreatore3547 We had already defeated the luftwaffe before the Nazis started the war in Russia. The invasion of britian was cancelled because of their failure to befeat the the RAF. Al down to their own decisions as well, if they didn't start bombing london and stayed focused on the RAF, they could of won. And we'd have a veryu different story to tell. But still Russia had nothing to do with it.

[@strycian]

I swear every part of this darkest hour speach was in this dialog.

[@kyleseageruberalles2222]

This movie makes me even more proud to go to a high school named after Winston Churchill.

[@marioneal]

As relevant now as it was in the 1940s. The world has not changed, where is our Winston Churchill now

[@Konrad162]

Dear Germany, About the current situation in Ukraine and Putin - "You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth" BR Poland.

[@PakSoerja]

Gary Oldman. When he acts you do not see Gary Oldman acting.. you see someone who vaguely resembles an actor that was Gary Oldman. He and the late Philip Seymour Hoffman are probably the best actors to have ever graced the silver screen, masters of their crafts.

[@walterfrancis6896]

2:16 Would you stop interrupting me while I am interrupting you?! 4:37 How dare you!

[@Anglomachian]

Churchill was right. But Halifax had a point. WWI was a recent memory at that point, with its associated horrors a dark shadow over what remained of a generation. Americans reading this, remember how firmly your own country was set against getting involved before calling anyone here a coward. But you can’t appease dictators. It’s not in their nature to be appeased.

[@mockdr]

Not all Americans didn’t not want to go into the war. By November 1941 support for joining the war was at 70 percent. Lend Lease also saved the war effort. Even before that was passed help was already being sent from the US.

[@mackgiver875]

Halifax wasn't a coward, but he was disconnected from the reality of the situation. While arguing for negotiations, he mentioned that "Hitler would be reasonable..." Why would anyone in 1940 think Hitler was going to do anything reasonable? Were they sleeping through the 1930's?

[@edvinparmeza1298]

@@mackgiver875 I think he said that out of fear...what he meant was "I truly hope that Hitler is reasonable, because if he isn't, we are doomed"

[@mackgiver875]

@@edvinparmeza1298 I didn't get that vibe. I felt that Halifax was staying his course because he was certain he could make Hitler "see reason."

[@willnavarrete6828]

You would have us die as lambs! Love that line

[@kennethjohnson4280]

"Europe is lost!" Neville Chamberlain spoke the unspeakable. But it had to be said.

[@ciaranoconnell4783]

The sad thing is that Halifax isn't a bad man, he has been scarred by the First World War and does not want to see it again when the odds are much worse for Britain this time round.

[@stevencassidy6982]

Lord Halifax? He became such a distraction in the war that he became our a Ambassador to Washington..and was promptly ignored

[@kevinbrown4073]

Best churchillian personnel policy better they are in the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in

[@upstating]

@@kevinbrown4073 that was Lyndon B Johnson

[@austingroce8020]

didn’t know reznov played churchill’s voice

[@philipsmith3084]

I love this film ... the actor that played Winstin was magnificent. I believe he won best actor. Great. Please see it if you have not.

[@parthgaur2759]

2:17 when relatives keep asking me about my career

[@Organon]

"How many more dictators must be wooed?" Two years on: "Have you forgiven me?" [For the 1919 Allied intervention] Stalin: "It is not for me to forgive. It is for God to forgive."

[@johnhenry4844]

I’am very confused about your POV...communism is an evil

[@jymscarlfamilar7661]

@@johnhenry4844 no it's the one who are implementing communism.

[@joydevsarkar4474]

@@jymscarlfamilar7661 there is hungary type communism, stalin type communism, then there is CCP, vietnam style

[@orokushi5953]

​@@jymscarlfamilar7661 In communism, all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs. What happens when someone doesnt want to share? Or work to their full ability, because they will recieve none of the results? That person will be forced to give up their property, and forced to work against their will. Those are robbery, and slavery. It is not that real communism has never been tried. It is that communism can't exist without tyranny.

[@grumpymonkeyenterprises6413]

Churchill still defending Gallipoli 😂

[@aggada3115]

Both Halifax and Churchill spent time on the front during the first war. They saw the bodies with their own eyes. Halifax doesn't just want this war to end he knows first hand what those young men are going through, but Churchill also understands how big of a threat Germany has become to the people of the UK.

[@RealD8]

This is just actors and acting, but imagine those gentlemen in real life in the 1940's and the weight on their shoulders of what was actually happening, whatever move they made would make history

[@davidmcphail5653]

Soon though, Rosevelt comes up with clever ways to get supplies and employments of war to our cousins across the pond.” My dad was non-combat (blind in right eye) and truck driver. He came before there was even talk of invasion. He had never seen such an array of perishable and non- perishable supplies. When Dad mentioned something about it all, an officer would tell him don’t talk about it too much Mac! That was convenient to

[@POLITICUS-DANICUS]

That gallipolli comment was brutal

[@BPGInf3rn0]

that guy got lucky england was sophisticated otherwise it would have been executed for high treason

[@MultiWweiscool]

What a line to say

[@baileysadlier4769]

We often tend to forget the fact that he literally fought against medieval style armies.

[@brandonmcgrew4367]

You cannot reason with a tiger when you’re in its mouth..

[@charlietheanteater3918]

4:39 Gary Oldman should have taken a few seconds to let the moment sink in there. It would be a lot more powerful than him still going with his line. Nothing much, but maybe take like a 3-5 second breath. Before this we’ve seen that absolutely nothing has gotten to Churchill, but when Halifax mentions “Gallipoli” it’s enough to make Winston loose his shit. That should be a really powerful moment, but instead it goes uninterrupted

[@seangannon6005]

I think his immediate response conveys how much thought he's put in to gallipoli over the years. Like this isn't the first time he's said that to someone.

[@williamgordon5708]

I think when one's kicked in the balls, one does not tend to wait 3-5 seconds to ponder about the pain. I mean, the man is deeply hurt by the disastrous failure of his previous brainchild operation; and right now, his decisions may lead to yet another catastrophic defeat. So I think Churchill literally "losing it," and snapping right back (defensively, and rather childishly) when Halifax brings up Gallipoli, shows exactly how vulnerable and uncertain he actually is under the circumstances.

[@charlietheanteater3918]

William Gordon Fair Argument, I guess It’s hard for me to comprehend just snapping back instantly at someone. I have an intense stutter so I always have to plan what I’m going to say ahead of time. I still think it would have been more powerful if he had a sort of “ouch” moment where those words sink in, and a reaction shot of Halifax’s face that gives a sort of “oh shit” look. In all seriousness though, thanks for not spamming back and calling me a close minded idiot or something. I’m glad that we’re able to have a civilized conversation about this in the comment section and not scream at each other.

[@Zippity181]

I get the drama of the pause but I too like the ways its done. It shows how close to the surface the scars of the last war are to Churchill, as indeed they are his rivals. The common theme against war in France and Britain was we remember the horrors if the last war and we cannot see that again, so peace. What made Churchill unique and great was he had the insight to see what Hitler was and that war was required, but he was just as scarred by the memories of WWI as those who disagreed with him. The immediate response helps show that fact and disproves everything Halifax had just said about ego and death or glory. Churchill knows what he is letting happen and is deeply troubled by it and his fears and trauma is right below the surface, he just also knows its the right thing to do no matter the cost.

[@Biffo1262]

@@williamgordon5708 Churchill was right about the opportunity being squandered as Gallipoli as it was also squandered at Salerno in WW2 with weak military leaders dithering instead of exploiting the element of surprise. The same would have happened at Normandy if the invasion forces chose to reinforce the beaches instead of pushing on. Maybe the lesson had bee learned by then. Say what you will about Churchill but his vision was extraordinary but not necessarily matched by the expertise of many military leaders.

[@johndolan2168]

I also wonder had Churchill not had George VI at his back what might have happened? The King still had "power". We'll never know if he would have used it.

[@ChrisB-jc2dt]

Damn. It’s so easy to read a history book or look back and clearly understand what should have happened, but this shows how it really is when your in the thick of a serious problem and the outcome is ambiguous

[@richbright540]

I have asked the minister (for?) War to join us

[@matthewsheppard7050]

Gary Oldman is great but I think he has yelled himself to greatness.

[@chrismac2234]

William Pitt also thought Europe was lost. Then in walked Wellington. History repeats almost exactly.

[@georgigoranov4445]

All I hear is Reznov from Call of Duty

[@HPmob420]

Halifax had some valid talking points but Churchill was 100% right.

[@HPmob420]

@Antonio F Cuppari Halifax was trying to not have blood shed. 1940 folks still thought Hitler was "rational"

[@KPho150]

Wasnt Churchill the first sea lord back in calipoli?

[@DASCO2136]

Yes and the intervention there was his idea. He was forced to resign after the battle

[@KPho150]

@@DASCO2136 You're as misinformed as me, he's was first lord of the admiralty, first sea lord was Mountbatten.

[@andrewpytko4773]

@@KPho150 And he was forced to resign before the operation was underway.

[@Tourist1967]

@@KPho150 Sir John "Jackie" Fisher was FIrst Sea Lord during the Gallipoli campaign. Mountbatten did not hold that post until 1955.

[@KPho150]

@@Tourist1967 thanks, save me a trip to wikipedia

[@theoldtree2595]

Man this movie was fucking awesome

[@utareangara5529]

such a good movie

[@q_7445]

Imagine if Winston did start peace talks

[@Infernal460]

A Soviet dominated europe.

[@aquariumdude7829]

@@Infernal460 Or a Nazi one.

[@Basedlocation]

@@Infernal460 no

[@odysseusrex5908]

"If the admirals and the First Sea Lord hadn't diddled away our surprise." Winston *was* the First Sea Lord.

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@abcdefg4761 Precisely.

[@brennonguilbeau569]

@@abcdefg4761 the equivalent of a fleet admiral?

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@harrysmart4552 I could be wrong, but my understanding is that First Lord of the Admiralty and First Sea Lord are the same thing. I believe the latter term is just an informal term of reference for the former. If these are, in fact, two different offices, can you please explain the difference to me?

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@harrysmart4552 Ah hah, yes, it makes perfect sense. One is the military commander of the force, the other is the civilian to whom that commander, and that force, are responsible. It's like the Chief of Naval Operations and the Secretary of the Navy over here. Got it. Thank you very much.

[@ExKUKicker]

Oldman was BRILLIANT!

[@nathanas64]

The Leonidas of his era !

[@markvincentbonachita8950]

Churchill is reasonable. He is a soldier himself.

[@Dallas_AWG]

I guess Gallipoli was not enough for him.

[@MrRafarius]

Someone should edit this movie together with Dunkirk to make an epic depiction of what happened on both sides of the channel.

[@The_Stumbler]

They kinda did with the speech portion.

[@Relmyna]

My Grandma was a volunteer nurse at the battle of Dunkirk. She said the movie was not how it happened. I'm inclined to believe her.

[@Arcaryon]

@@Relmyna Well, she will be right but movies can certainly also just capture a spirit and I think that’s where both pieces shine.

[@Setiv1101]

3:45 This is real even today...

[@j2234]

Why was him resigning a big deal? Just curious

[@Doc-ch5oz]

If members of his cabinet had resigned, then Parliament likely would have held a vote of no confidence and kicked Churchill out

[@tomben6180]

President Zelenskyy quoted Churchill - says it all

[@richardjamesss438]

Churchill was a man of many strengths and weaknesses his daughter once said he was so selfish he came first second and first

[@richardjamesss438]

*Third

[@godricheart4956]

I hope our leaders are watching this.

[@Pulang_Diwa]

Holy Shit. Stannis' actor is amazing in this!

[@monocline9430]

Is this right after the Underground scene?

[@tango6nf477]

Now THAT is acting

[@vinceA3748]

This is such a great scene. Great actors. Halifax just looks so bad in this, but we have to remember how things were at that time. Hindsight is 20/20. That being said, in what fantasy world was he living in? Where did he get the idea that you could trust anything Hitler said? He was the most unscrupulous liar on the planet. He proved it by breaking his word over and over again, even before this event.

[@grizzle273463]

Whoa! What a scene

[@garvett6660]

Am I the only person who cannot understand some words said in this movie? Have been learning English for 11 years and yet some monologues/dialogues are just too difficult for me to comprehend.

[@srankalaba6059]

In memoriam Ronald Pickup

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

Halifax was a decent man, but he was also one of the appeasers, and they had created the very situation that had emboldened Hitler in the first place. History has not been kind to him, but of course he didn't have our hindsight.

[@rickforespring4834]

with 20/20 hindsight now, its easy to look back at this and think halifax was a traitor...dunno, maybe he was, but in view of how gemany treated its conquests, they would have all realized before thier personal ends what a huge mistake they had made.

[@_lime.]

Halifax had a very logical approach, however Hitler was not a logical man, and so one must be illogical when dealing with him.

[@Arcaryon]

Well, in one way we know that Churchill turned out to be right but in another, being unpredictable isn’t really a good basis for risky gambles.