Let the People of the Gospel JUDGE by.. - Surah

#YusufIsmailDebate #JamesWhiteInconsistency #Surah547PeopleoftheGospel
Dr. James White continously points out that Muslims are so very inconsistent when it comes to Apologetics. This video demonstrates that Dr. White himself has displayed blatant inconsistency.
The original debate between James White and Yusuf Ismail link -
• Debate: The Christolog...
Bassam Zawadi's article refuting James White -
www.call-to-monotheism.com/jam...
www.call-to-monotheism.com/res...
Other articles on Surah 5:47
www.answering-christianity.com...
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Surah Al-Maidah Verses 43-49
43. But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God's Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers.
44. We have revealed the Torah, wherein is guidance and light. The submissive prophets ruled the Jews according to it, so did the rabbis and the scholars, as they were required to protect God's Book, and were witnesses to it. So do not fear people, but fear Me. And do not sell My revelations for a cheap price. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the unbelievers.
45. And We wrote for them in it: a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and an equal wound for a wound; but whoever forgoes it in charity, it will serve as atonement for him. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the evildoers.
46. In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous.
47. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners.
48. And We revealed to you the Book, with truth, confirming the Scripture that preceded it, and superseding it. So judge between them according to what God revealed, and do not follow their desires if they differ from the truth that has come to you. For each of you We have assigned a law and a method. Had God willed, He could have made you a single nation, but He tests you through what He has given you. So compete in righteousness. To God is your return, all of you; then He will inform you of what you had disputed.
49. And judge between them according to what God revealed, and do not follow their desires. And beware of them, lest they lure you away from some of what God has revealed to you. But if they turn away, know that God intends to strike them with some of their sins. In fact, a great many people are corrupt.
Credits:
Dr James White
Yusuf Ismail
IPCI
Alpha and Omega Ministries
Sheikh Abdullah al Matrood - Powerful Quran recitation
Dawud Wharnsby Ali - Background at the end

[@darkness2noor]

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam and Humanity. I know some brothers have asked me to include subtitles in the videos but due to personal commitments and time constraints I'm not able to edit subtitles for the time being. If any brother/sister would like to assist in creating subtitles for videos so I can include them in the CC section that would be awesome InshaAllah.

[@danianul]

darkness2noor Assalamu Alaikum. Brother, may Allah (SWT) reward you here and hereafter. Christians are always, when need, prefer Quotes fractional verses of the holly Qur'an to legitimate their Bible. Never look through to previous and next verses. Allah (SWT) clearly stated regarding them in the verse 5-60:- (Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!").

[@LastRambo341]

Carlo, you are a liar as you cannot prove what you said from the Quran nor Hadith. Many things you stated are forbidden in Islam!

[@carloanacio9974]

Read your koran and study the life of muhammad specially his last 13 years. Thats what he did and thats what isis are doing! Are you ignorant of your koran? Are you blind or you just refuse to see? Read your islamic history well and understand! Its not from me its all written in your koran!

[@syed5402]

Carlo Anacio Read your koran and study the life of muhammad specially his last 13 years. " Do you mean first 13 years in Mecca or the last 10 years in Madina? Jazakallah for reminder for muslims to learn more about Quran and Sunnah of the prophet:)

[@LastRambo341]

Carlo Anacio I studied from my whole life and nothing what you said is true :) 1) Nothing wrong with polygamy 2) It is forbidden to mistreat women. Burkas are not an Islamic obligation, it is a cultural thing 3) There is nothing in the law stating that "men who like men should be killed". Punishment for public lesbianism is house-arrest 4) In Islamic Law, the two parties have to be consenting adults to marry 5) Rape is forbidden and the rapist gets the death penalty. The 4 witnesses system is used for adultery, not rape.

[@plumbercontracting1173]

“I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

[@prsd1]

James, the gospel of Jesus bits and pieces can still be found in your bible. modern printers have made it easy for you in making them in red. judge therein.

[@killerofothers]

MashaAllah brother another great video.

[@moustapha8822]

The Qur'an Definition of the Injeel is pretty clear. It says the Qur'an is a CONFIRMATION of what was before. Therefore what was before is what the Qur'an is. If you don't have the Injeel, you use the Qur'an.

[@travisanderson3920]

So the Quran is the gospel?

[@moustapha8822]

@@travisanderson3920 Hi. The "Qur'an" is what Jesus himself had. I.e what the present Qur'an came to confirm.

[@afanbaig7173]

@@travisanderson3920 Yep! Theology is same.

[@josephochuka]

You cannot confirm what is inexistent

[@travisanderson3920]

The Quran confirms that the Jews have the Torah and the Christians have the Gospel. But there is an issue because fundamentally the Quran is in complete contradiction to the Bible. Is the Quran correct when it says that the Torah and the Gospel are Allah's word? If that's true then why are they contradictory to one another? I thought the words of Allah is incorruptible because Allah is able to keep his word. Either way the Quran proves itself to be false and a liar

[@Shaq756]

When the pope changed "lead us not into temptation" to "let us fall not into temptation" in 2019 does James expect the Quran to address future corruption? If the bible James has today is from God then why are they still editing it today? And how many times has the bible been edited?

[@ramenazul]

thank you and keep posting ya..

[@julio14335]

James arguments is senseless and baseless. "Let the people of the Book judge by what God revealed there-in"... simply means the Gospel or Ingeel (singular)...in other words all what Jesus preached. Muslims believes some of the true teachings of Jesus is still in the present day Bibles, the Rest is about him (some are positive and some are negative). The Quran is a quality control for us to know the remainings of the true teachings of Jesus in the present day Ingeels. Allah ahalam...

[@orthodoxoschristianos435]

+Julio Kosters How does "muhaiminan" mean "quality control"? The direct translation is "watcher" or "guardian". But again, why guard something that is already corrupt? And how can something suddenly get corrupt when it's guarded? It makes no sense whatsoever. The "context" that is being appealed to by Yusuf Ismail is artificial in order to twist the direct meaning that otherwise demonstrates the Quran author's ignorance of the Gospel. Muhammad BELIEVED he was in line with the Gospel, and now all Muslims have left to do is twist his words in order to keep their religion.

[@julio14335]

+Dmitri Ivanov There are morethan 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone. Who decides what book should be included in the NT or not? Your scholars told us 1st John 5:7, was a later addition into the Bible, so was the ending of Marks gospel. How can you then believe otherwise when we have historical and documented evidence all over the place? There is no need of buying Jame White argument, he knows the Author of the Quran is the most Wise, most Knowing, and above all He Guides those who are truly sincere. He is the Creator of the heavens and earth (Allah in the arabic language or Ella according to Jesus in the NT). The differents Versions of the Bible that comes out all the time tells you a lot whether it is guarded or not.

[@maxboucher86]

quality control... meaning whatever the quran says it's true but you get to pick and choose in the Bible. that's how you twist Scripture.

[@maxboucher86]

+Julio Kosters how can we know quran is true when ottman burned all the copies except one?

[@orthodoxoschristianos435]

Julio Kosters My comments keep getting deleted for some reason.

[@isbieiskandar7641]

Cristianity its confusing everybody thats for sure

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

Jesus said God prefers Mercy over sacrifice & old testament Prophets said God isn't a Man or a son of a Man or change. son was figurative in bible like with Adam and David and Angel Jibril Holy spirit said Jesus became a son as an adult vs paul who said God can't forgive without a sacrifice just to say Jesus is a son, showing 2 things the God of Jesus and how paul describes God is different and has different quality and contradicts and why polytheism is so evil, it degrades God, the trinity degrades 1 perfect God into 3 lesser parts! shame on christianity. paul opposed the law and had more in common with Jesus before his vision in acts 9,3 matching devil in luke 10,18! with friends like him (paul) as they say... in fact Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him is the comfortor and Prophet who will last forever... like the Quran while bible now adays has footnotes of where its been changed proving Jesus was not the son and his message was Islam, like luke 3,22 in new revised standard version footnote! this shows the Quran is correct about the bible and its the true message. Jesus in mathew 24 linked lawlessness with false Propehts like Paul, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him is the true Prophet and comfortor in light of this, see JOhn 16:8 or so he will correct the world on sin and righteousness where paul completely changed everything with original sin and ezekiel 18. paul is truly horrible making a new religion.

[@fcbkingmessi4664]

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 lol... You write a lot.....

[@winburna852]

Those who have ears let him hear...

[@travisanderson3920]

Christianity is confusing to those that see it through the lense of Islam. The cross is foolishness to those that are perishing.

[@anthonyleonard1419]

@@travisanderson3920 you're wrong.

[@ReformMsia]

Gospel = Good Spell Injeel = Basic Foundation Totally different things

[@Abubakar-yt1sh]

did jesus know the word gospel?? no. he knows the word injeel.

[@ReformMsia]

Abubakar 0187970 He doesn’t even know the name jesus

[@norbertorban8921]

@@Abubakar-yt1sh Where do you get that from ?? Did you know Jesus personally ? 😊

[@alhassangangu4357]

@@norbertorban8921 did Issa(Jesus) speak English?

[@norbertorban8921]

@@alhassangangu4357 Did Mossa(Muhamad) speak Aramiac ?

[@shamshirghazali9567]

What does 5:47 refers to? Look back to 44 up to 46 to know the contexts. You will see it does not refer to what Dr. White said.

[@ariyanyousuf-he7mm]

brother can u pls help what does it says

[@TheBabaiful]

Jzk for this video. Can anyone tell me who's the reciter from 15:41? It's beautiful recitation.

[@darkness2noor]

Sheikh Abdullah al Matrood

[@angelicazambrano]

Christians love the verse asking the Muslims to verify the laws of the prophets via the *Torah and Gospels of that time* The practising Christians and Jews who were brought to the attention of (SAW) Had no option but embrace Islam, while the proud and arrogant who lost their Rabbis and church elders took control of the uncorrupted scriptures and altered and fabricated until you have the confused Christians of today AKA atheists, I like James White, I really do but if he changed the equation (so to speak) and looked at the verse from a Mormon or Jehovah witness point of view saying "oh look the Muslims have been ordered to clarify their holy scriptures from Joseph Smith (Mormon founder) L Ron Hubbard (Church of Scientology, founder) obviously COS, Mormon and Jehovah witness's etc are recent fabricated cults that Christians from Catholic and protestants backgrounds reject because of the numerous contradictions found within those cults, As for the Torah? again, when the real god fearing Rabbi's clearly recognised (SAW) they embraced Islam and yet again the proud arrogant hypocrites took control of the synagogues to the extent of declaring a false prophet by the name of Samuel, Samuel made many prophesies via the Talmud which was forbidden to be translated punishable by death for anyone who did so, but after the prophesies were not fulfilled a Rabbi blew the whistle by translating the Talmud which is nothing but antichristian, declaring the mother of Jesus being (censored) and goes as far as saying Jesus is in hell being boiled in a cauldron of boiling (censored) I wrote censored as I cannot as a Muslim say those words beside the name of Jesus (as) and his mother

[@mmuhd]

The key word is: REVEALED in it i.e. the Gospel. So, the onus is upon the Christians to prove that the Gospels are revealed by Allah SWT which unfortunately, aren't! That is a challenge of Allah SWT to the Christians! This is because in the previous Ayah, Allah SWT said that He sent down the Gospel to Jesus to strengthen the Torah. Hence, the challenge is upon the Christians to judge whether the Gospels are Divine Revelation or otherwise. Cheers!

[@babaadammusah6344]

After listening to Yusuf Ismael, I entreat every Muslim to preserve his lectures for posterity. Millions from Xtianity who are sincere will soon be reverting to Islam even the likes of James White will begin to have a second thought. Yusuf is a blessing to humanity. May Allah fortify him.

[@jakejade4432]

What Allah has revealed therein are those confirmed by the Quran which is the Al-Furqan (the Criteria).

[@Diamondraw4Real]

A Jewish man had a book with him. It wasn't the new testament. The Prophet put his hand on it and said that it was from God. Today that book is gone. Who has that book? Fact is we don't know what happened to it. So we believe what the Quran and Muhammad said. That only Islam is the religion (since the final revelation is all we have to go by) God accepts now.

[@gracemvt7]

if anyone has doubt on Jesus, instead of arguing among you, please knee down yourself and ask God to reveal you. Thy will reveal you the truth.

[@WIPCatholic]

Jesus didn't read from a book called Gospel. When He was in the synagogues He read from the Torah. He went preaching of himself that the Kingdom of God is near & those who believe in Him will be saved. That was the Good News. This reveals that the author of the Quran has either zero or simpleton understanding of what the Gospel even meant.

[@WIPCatholic]

@Alan The fact that either the Quran or so called teachers of the Quran erroneously think that Jesus during his time read from a book called a Injeel, when in fact He was reading from Torah, already tells us that it is not a reliable source of knowledge. If you could see this at the outset, what more if you open the trunk? Now that, I actually find interesting.

[@ariyanyousuf-he7mm]

Dude for Gods sake ever heard of the concept of divine revelation or commandment? every prophet were sent in the time where humanity becomes rebellious and sinfull...in order to cleanse them of their sin and offer a way out God sends a prophet with divine commandments ...this is how abrahamic prophets work...And no Jesus did have a divine revelation which is known as gospel of christ

[@jaredbeckham9134]

The people of the Book (Jews and Christians) should judge by light of their own book and what God revealed after it, as quality control over it.. Simple answer James White.. The Qur'an is the Word of God and you should accept it.. The Four Gospels of the New Testament contain SOME REVELATION but are NOT themselves wholly inspired or inerrant.. Which is why they should be read in light of the Qur'an

[@purposeoflife2758]

مُهَيْمِنً= (absolute) master ; commanding ; controlling ; dominant ; dominating ; governing ; overlord ; predominant ; preponderant ; prevailing ; reigning ; ruler ; ruling ٤٨ وَأَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ بِٱلْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ ۖ فَٱحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَآءَهُمْ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلْحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَٰحِدَةً وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِى مَآ ءَاتَىٰكُمْ ۖ فَٱسْتَبِقُوا۟ ٱلْخَيْرَٰتِ ۚ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ Quran 5:48 And We revealed to you the Book, with truth, confirming the Scripture that preceded it, and superseding it. So judge between them according to what God revealed, and do not follow their desires if they differ from the truth that has come to you. For each of you We have assigned a law and a method. Had God willed, He could have made you a single nation, but He tests you through what He has given you. So compete in righteousness. To God is your return, all of you; then He will inform you of what you had disputed.

[@theholyquran3102]

صلوا على النبي

[@ReformMsia]

Before Minute 2:00 White mention clearly that today’s bible is exactly the same as The ancient Bible was which were The Codex (Sinaiticus @ Vaticanus) The thing is Codex Sinaiticus is totally different from today’s bible

[@aikidoisthebombyeah]

Is James White saying what I think he's saying? That the New Testament, the writings of the anonymous authors is the Injeel? Has he gone mad? There is also a big difference between what was transmitted to Jesus PBUH, and what we are reading in Bible's today. There was a period of several hundred years right after Jesus where we don't have any copies of anything, and we don't have any chain of transmission, or any records of a chain of transmission, so we don't know if anything was added or removed. Surely any learned man would understand this. The Injeel is definitely the word of God transmitted to Jesus. But what about the hundreds if not thousands of people who translated and copied and re-copied the text, and then standardized the text. Who did this? Do we know their names? Do we know when they translated the text from Aramaic to Greek? These are all questions that we don't have answers for and Christians shy away from because they know that the answers are damning to their theology.

[@shahidanoor7165]

I was expecting better from james white..he should know that for muslim quran is the word of God not word of Mohammad SAW....

[@squadaimat2923]

all Gospels were written by unknown freelancers not even prophets, in Greece. injecting old Greek pagan concepts and beliefs into their writings.. the greeks and the Romans believed for thousands of years before Jesus birth that their pagan god sent his son to die for humanity and when they became Christians applied the same thing to Jesus.

[@agengsatya2915]

the key to understand this, is on qs. 5:48, so commad to follow injil is for christian who dont know if injil was already corrupted.

[@aishaarshadalam3412]

At around 7:30 James White says that there is no interaction with the Gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John and that proves the author of the Quran didn't know about them. The Gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John aren't addressed in the Quran because Allah didn't authorise them! He addresses what He Himself authorised ie the injeel given to Jesus pbuh. No Christian today has that guidance or that revelation. We look at the new testament so that we can interact with the Christians otherwise we don't believe those gospels were given to Jesus pbuh either.

[@bettereverydayforlife7660]

But he does not seem to take it that the injeel is corrupt. He asks what he s supposed to judge. That which we cinfirm. Because. That what we reject we correct. The sayings of jesus pbuh. Just compare.

[@bettereverydayforlife7660]

I think what james is trying to say is we should not ask to judge by the book t

[@Shaanmojo]

3:40 - brother just made an incredible point. The Gospel that the Qur'an references is the same Gospel that Jesus preached in the accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - the four accounts themselves are NOT the Gospel referred to in the Qur'an.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

All of the accounts teach that Jesus is the Son of God.

[@ElectroBolt]

​@@christsavesreadromans1096that's not what the Qurans referring to 🤡🤡🤡

[@ETHANGELIST]

Contrary to what Yusuf Ismail said, Jesus likely spoke several languages including Aramaic and Greek. He spoke to Pilate and the Roman soldiers. How could He not speak Greek?

[@purposeoflife2758]

Before telling us that Jesus spoke several languages and make confusion, tell us where is the Injil, the Gospel of Jesus (PBUH).

[@Moko8298]

Hey people, which one would you rather believe? (Injeel/ Gospel)Testimonies of different people in different areas in different times testifying about the same thing? Or( quran) A testimony of one person with no eye witnesses to support him?

[@darkness2noor]

+123 jump There were many other gospels that were not preaching the same thing that did not make it into the canon. So we will chose to believe the One Eye Witness that sufficient over all eye witnesses. Almighty God Himself. Thank you.

[@rumarahman5154]

You will never meet a consistent muslim Because u yourself are not

[@Moko8298]

CORRECTION: Not pinwheel, injeel

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, Matthew 4:23 says the he was preaching the "GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE KINGDOM". And that is what was all over the Injeel. What Kingdom, and who's Kingdom? It's his own Kingdom, the Kingdom of God. exactly what is in the Injeel

[@vicachcoup]

On watching this again, I think James had a pertinent question. What exactly is the quran telling christians to judge 'therein'.

[@Diamondraw4Real]

Even in Muhammad's day the Jews and Christians used to judge by their own books their own ppl. E.g. when there was a crime or dispute in their own community of 'believers' ("the people of the book"). There are hadiths about this too. That doesn't mean their books didn't have fabrications. The Quran mentions that there were parts of those books which had been changed. When exactly were they changed? Maybe some verses were changed even as late as in Muhammad's day or after that. Many parts or verses were changed before, it seems likely.

[@mayosenverga6406]

judge by the gospel of Jesus.

[@ayhemshaban9745]

Brother, I think yuu should have touched on verses 5:13-15 which addresses the corruption of the gospel clearly

[@Diamondraw4Real]

The Prophet Muhammad also had the Jews judged by their own book. It's very simple. The people of the book were still following their own books and judging by their own scriptures. Did their scriptures already contain "fabrications"? Yes. That's also mentioned in the Quran.

[@ReformMsia]

10:30 Torah still exists today 🤔 Today Torah is not the same as Dead Sea Scrolls

[@osuclassof88]

Humans are different from one another, only Quran is consistent

[@hasimhodzic9649]

You should debate him further and let the audience decide...

[@IbnAlHimyari]

I don’t think the Christians were limited to the New Testament in Arabia at the the time of the Prophet

[@blacktiger5985]

If you don't have the Gospel anymore after centuries or whatever that means your book wasn't protected. In fact the Bible is not in its original language anywhere in the world, unlike the Qur'an, which is still in the same language that which it was revealed.

[@rasyidihramsyah7992]

You need more than 1 person to compile Bible (Luke, Matthew, Mark, etc...) usually through convention which is mean it's source is multiple source or in another word, its an open source 😅, just like android or wiki which another people could alter or edit it, but you only need 1 person to compile Qur'an through Hafiz/Hafizah and only from 1 source, from Allah SWT itself through prophet Muhammad SAW, if Bible Source is the jesus itself then where is the Gospel of Jesus?

[@benifinkelstein4465]

Lets say one had 1 kilo of gold by some one for years and now you want to see if the wait of one kilo is still there or not, if it isn't you don't accept 3 quarters or 2 kilo's for one kilo,

[@jimkraft9445]

So are Calvinist, Arminians, and Lordship salvation deceivers. Romans 4:5-8 Faith alone in Christ alone apart from any works. Ephesians 2:8-9. God is not the God of confusion. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. PERIOD.

[@ocfl]

This beyond 3:50 is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. When they're saying he went to preach the Gospel, in the Greek, the word used was εὐαγγέλιον, which means good news. So when we call the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the Gospels, we're calling them the good news, which CONTAINS the GOOD NEWS that Yeshua (Jesus) taught. Islam seems to misunderstand this for no reason. It's not rocket science guys, it literally means good news. The good news was the Kingdom that Yeshua brought, it was HIS salvation, it was a message meant to last generations til the end of time, and it is. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John CONTAIN the Gospel or Good News of Jesus, because HE IS the good news.

[@The_Ultimate_Light]

THERE'S PROPHECY OF MUHAMMED IN THE TORAH AND INJEEL. IF YOU FOLLOW IT,. Then you will follow Muhammed

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

Jesus said God prefers Mercy over sacrifice & old testament Prophets said God isn't a Man or a son of a Man or change. son was figurative in bible like with Adam and David and Angel Jibril Holy spirit said Jesus became a son as an adult vs paul who said God can't forgive without a sacrifice just to say Jesus is a son, showing 2 things the God of Jesus and how paul describes God is different and has different quality and contradicts and why polytheism is so evil, it degrades God, the trinity degrades 1 perfect God into 3 lesser parts! shame on christianity. paul opposed the law and had more in common with Jesus before his vision in acts 9,3 matching devil in luke 10,18! with friends like him (paul) as they say... in fact Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him is the comfortor and Prophet who will last forever... like the Quran while bible now adays has footnotes of where its been changed proving Jesus was not the son and his message was Islam, like luke 3,22 in new revised standard version footnote! this shows the Quran is correct about the bible and its the true message. Jesus in mathew 24 linked lawlessness with false Propehts like Paul, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him is the true Prophet and comfortor in light of this, see JOhn 16:8 or so he will correct the world on sin and righteousness where paul completely changed everything with original sin and ezekiel 18. paul is truly horrible making a new religion.

[@9TheMiddleMan9]

So many problems with his lecture...... Let me go through the whole thing for you. POINT #1: he says "read the context, the gospel was just a revelation given to Jesus, not the 4 gospels" he fails to take into account the fact the quran says that the gospel is written down in scripture and available to Christians in muhammads time period (surah 7:157) The only widespread gospels during muhammads time were the 4 main ones..... You could argue that the true gospel is IN the 4 gospels and we have to sort them out right from wrong..... but that contradicts allah's words in quran as surah 18:27 says that his words cannot be corrupted, if the gospel and torah is allahs words and his words cannot be corrupted you have to accept the whole thing or none of it. You could argue that is was just some apocryphal gospel that the Christians had, but even the apocryphal (forged) gospels had theological teachings that contradict muhammad and if we were to judge by them would render him a false prophet. Yusuf objects by saying that it was "given to Jesus" and could not be the 4 gospels as they were written after Jesus.... but there is nothing theologically wrong with saying that being "given to Jesus" means that he inherited the message that was later written down. Nothing theologically wrong with saying when "given to Jesus" it just meant it was a message given to Jesus kingdom and followers that was written down later..... this is escpecially likely considering surah 7:157 POINT #2 "the quran acts as quality control over the gospel (muhiamminan)".... No dice..... The gospel wouldnt need quality control, as i said earlier allahs words cannot be changed.... you have to accept it wholly or reject it as false. Also the word used to describe quality control (muhiamminan) in this instance CAN refer to criterion or control, but has a wide range of meanings: it can mean to protect, conserve, to be a watcher or to safe guard... (some translations such as pickthall even decide to take this meaning over quality control) To judge we must look at the context, and the context in other passages says that allahs words cannot be changed and that the quran is a guardian over the gospels. POINT # 3 "Woe to those who right the book with their own hands." Nope. He says who can this passage refer to other than christians who corrupt the gospel..... if he were to actually read surah 2 in conetext the ENTIRETY of the surrounding verses concern jews and the corruption they commited..... these verses do not label christians as the forgers but JEWS....... Even so.... the surrounding verses also say " A PARTY of them (used to hear the Word of Allah , then they used to change it knowingly" So only a PARTY of them misheard it and changed it knowingly, any logical person would realize a party of people changing a text would not be able to hold up against the majority of jews that would go against their changing of the text Also the surrounding verses say: "Among them are unlettered folk who know the Scripture not except from hearsay. They but guess. Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," This further reassures the point that when the text says "written with their own hands" it is just allegorical, as the people described as changing allahs words in the torah were illiterate and unknowing of what the message actually teached

[@ariyanyousuf-he7mm]

The quran litterally telss the gospel "with them" which is the new testament....does it say the gospel that Allah revealed i think you lack critical thinking ...and that verse before 5 47 clearly tells that the gospel which allah told them to judge was the specific gospel that God revelaed and not human written.....

[@TheGnosticMonotheist]

Nothing is explained in detail and James white is right, since the Quran failed again to explain this in detail, it cannot be from Allah

[@ridhwaanpietersen9076]

James you missed the point bro. The prophet was told to judge the Christians according to their scripture, not the Qur'an.

[@vicachcoup]

The Quran says Injeel It doesn't say New Testament. James is runing with speculation about what the Qur'an says. Therein refers to what is in the Injeel - the good news of Jesus. This could refer to the words of Jesus rather than the words of those like Paul and the commentary of what was said about Jesus.

[@XaeeD]

vicachcoup Yeah this is why I'm no longer a big fan of opening the 4 gospels and trying to find truth in them, trying to see where there are contradictions in them, and so on. Actually, I've stopped taking that approach for quite some time now. I now simply consider the 4 gospels as books of fabricated ahadith. I'm not so much interested in going through them, looking for mistakes, or looking for parts that may be true; they are fabricated books that may or may not contain some remnants of truth, but are in general unreliable, and as such, I'm not going to bother with unraveling the mess that they call the gospels. What can be learned from them primarely is what the beliefs and motives of its writers were. To give one simple fact that we can clearly see: none of those writers were concerned with the thousands of believing men, women and children that were being nailed to crosses and trees by the Romans at that time. The Jesus they present in the gospels isn't concerned about it at all. It never comes up, he is completely passive concerning the issue. That's like George Bush writing an autobiography and in the chapter called "2001" he leaves out the events that took place on september 11th. It's unthinkable that the Messiah would finally come to aid the Jews and he's passive about their suffering. Very strange if we look at the gospels as actual reliable narratives, but not so strange when we see them for what they really are: fabricated narratives, written with a certain agenda. You're right brother, and the speaker in the video made the point: when Eesa(as) was alive, he must've been teaching whatever it was he taught his pupils. So what was this teaching? I think the New Testament does contain remnants of these teachings, and in my opinion, the Epistle of James has to come closest to what they were being taught by their teacher Eesa(as). James has a couple of interesting titles worth mentioning. First, he calls himself Abdullah in his epistle, though granted, this letter isn't original by any means, as James spoke Aramaic, and was against the Romans, so it's highly likely that the original letter, if indeed produced by James himself, was written in Aramaic, and as such, it no longer exists, for as far as I know. James, the slave of God, would've been more like the Arabic translation: Yacub Abdullah, as the Aramaic word for God was Alaha. James, the Just. In other external sources we find this title for the man: Yacub as-Saddiq (James the Just). He was called the brother of Jesus (probably the son of Joseph). He was in fact the High Priest at the Temple in Jerusalem, and the only person allowed in the holiest parts of that Temple. Even in the gospel of John, when referring to James, the writer of the gospel acknowledges his status by referring to him as "the disciple loved by Jesus". In an external source we even find Jesus(as) telling the believers that, once he(as) had left them, that James would be their leader. In another external source we see some writer saying that whenever the believers would come across men who were preaching the religion, they should check their teachings and compare them to the teachings of James, and if they'd differ from what James taught, then such men should be shunned and ignored. Some christian groups throughout the centuries tried getting rid of the Epistle of James because it wasn't "christian" enough. So now it becomes clear what the status of this man James was. His status is extremely high in that early period. He knew Jesus(as) personally, he sat with him, studied at his feet, and was well-aware of his(as) teachings and the correct theology. This is why he remains in the NT and hasn't been excluded from it: because of his high status. He was in fact the Leader of the believers right after Jesus(as) left them, and remained so untill his death in Jerusalem at the hands of the enemies of Allah. Now let's turn to his letter in the NT, for as far as it is reliably translated. We can ask a valid question: why did James write what he wrote? I think it's very reasonable to suggest that he wrote this letter, addressing the scattered communities within the Roman territories, in order to teach them some fundamentals of the faith. If this is his motive, then it's safe to assume that there was a need for him doing this: apparently people were confused about some matters of the religion. This can only be explained by suggesting that many different versions of the religion were being spread around during that early period. So he's correcting certain beliefs, telling people what they must do in order for them to find their salvation, and eventually end up in Paradise, of course. So from the christian point of view, what can we expect to be in such a letter written with the intention mentioned above? The christian would have to assume that some core dogmas and doctrines are mentioned by James, central to the christian belief. So we would expect the divinity of Christ, coupled to their idea that God became man in the form of the Son, and dying at the cross, to take away the sins of the world. We would expect a resurrection, perhaps some minor details like the eating of his body, drinking of his blood, etc. If he was writing to explain to them what the religion was, then these things can be expected to be mentioned; I think this is very reasonable. None of those core beliefs are found in the Epistle of James. He does not mention any of it. No deity of Christ, no God incarnate dying for the sins of man, no crucifixion and no resurrection. This presents the christians with a very big problem. Why did he leave out all of those elements of the christian faith as it is understood by them at large? The most important man after Jesus(as), arguably, writing to the scattered groups of believers, explaining the religion, clearing up their confusions and shedding light on the actual teachings of their Messiah; and he forgets to mention all of those essential articles of belief. So why is this? When we read the letter unbiased, we can clearly see a more jewish/islamic type of religion, with him reminding people to adhere to the Laws of the Prophets (done away with by christians), the concept of God isn't the trinity we hear christians preach, Jesus(as) is honored, but not the central part of the epistle at all. In other words; it's not about Jesus(as), at all. He calles him(as) "lord", though considering it is a translation and the fact that the man was a Jew, I can easily see him addressing Jesus(as) as "master", or "teacher", and nowhere in the letter does he even suggest that Jesus(as) was divine in any way. He's talking about morals, ethics, self-awareness, fearing God, etc. And, importantly, he seems to be warning the readers against evil men, going around, preaching a false version of the religion; a perversion. When one delves into this, it becomes clear that he was talking about Paul and his followers, though he does not mention anyone by name. What is clear is the difference in teachings: it sounds nothing like the religion of Paul. Paul never even met Jesus(as), while James knew him(as) very well. James and Paul were not friends, in fact, they were enemies. One can not accept Paul's perversion of the faith and at the same time acknowledge James' epistle. In fact, what we see in James' letter is islam in everything but name. But even that is up for debate, because in his letter, James tells the reader to submit himself to God. Seeing as how he spoke Aramaic and how close Aramaic actually was to Arabic, it's highly likely that the word used by him there is similar to what we use; namely: a muslim. Why bother with the fabricated books that the enemies of the believers wrote while in their Bible, there is the Epislte of James: basically destroying Paul's perverted version of the religion? Eesa(as) was given the Injeel. James was present when Jesus(as) preached to his followers. James must've known about what was in this Injeel. James writes to the believers scattered about, confused about matters of religion. We can expect his letter to contain clues to the actual teachings of Eesa(as). The epistle excludes fundamental "christian" beliefs. Ergo: we should reject whatever was written by men who never even knew Jesus(as), and accept the fact that James the Just did not believe that the Messiah was the son of Allah, or Allah incarnate, and that he did not believe in a crucifixion, or that the enemies killed Eesa(as). No resurrection means no credence to whatever Paul and his followers came up with. There is a lot more that can be said about this topic, but this is the basic idea of James vs Paul, or what is left of the Injeel in the Bible vs the fabrications and perversions. James obviously was a muslim, even by his own saying. I have yet to meet a christian capable of giving this a reasonable response, because it's not on their radar. Muslims have busied themselves too much with the gospels, while overlooking this angle. I think this is a much more effective way of confronting the christian with incoherencies within the Bible. The contradiction in doctrinal beliefs between James his letter and what is taught in Paul's letters and the gospels that were written by followers of Paul's cult. Assalaamu aleikum, and as always: Allah knows best.

[@kashifkhanf5]

+XaeeD James White is a stubborn child.

[@vicachcoup]

***** Good points I find that xians are unfazed by any argument. They are happy to abandon logic and rely on any apologetics that maintains their faith. So your questions will James will just be met by them claiming he was giving a different perspective or not mentioning the major doctrines because that was covered elsewhere. What I know is this 1- at least one of the gospels is not an eyewitness account [luke 1-1] and none of the others claim to be 2 - the selection process of what made it into the bible was decided by human opinions based on a circular argument Watch ths video The New Testament Canon by crazypills2 3 - there is no evidence that Paul was a disciple apart from his say so. And the accounts of his conversion on the road to damascus are inconsistent

[@XaeeD]

vicachcoup Yeah I really view it as a type of cognitive dissonance. Most of them must know (deep down) how weird and absurd some of these beliefs are, and they can't explain their beliefs, nor clarify them, in any rational, reasonable manner, so in order for them to hold on to their beliefs, they're going to have to ignore ratio and intellect at some point. Dialogues and discussions with christians often turn into monologues and verbal fights, and instead of conversing, they'll start preaching. In my own experiences, talking sense to them hardly ever has any real effect, they do not acknowledge when they're clearly being refuted, most of them don't get (or don't want to get) arguments put forth, they tend not to respond to key points, and often times, they seem to be so confused that it's rather useless trying to continue a discussion. The issue of James is way more complex than what I mentioned before. They don't have a response to it. I doubt that even most of their intellectuals and learned men would know how to respond to it. But you're right, when confronted with it; I never really get a serious attempt to answer it - they'll simply ignore it, pretend it has no real meaning or implications, and it's quite annoying to be honest. But it's ok though, only Allah guides people, we can try to talk to them and be polite and reasonable, as we are representatives of the islamic religion when we enter into religious discussions, and displaying good character sometimes is all the Dawah people need. Thanks for your response brother, may Allah guide us and reward our efforts (allahuma ameen).

[@vicachcoup]

***** Salams and Aameen What do you make of the claim from atheists that we as Muslims are guilty of the same form of cognitive dissonance as well as the tendency to resort to faith when we are faced with difficult questions. In my opinion, I think everything in Islam can be defended rationally. But then I wonder if I could be deluding myself at times. The only other question I wonder about a lot is what the Quran means by the Injeel. Any ideas?

[@jaiyeolamonday7045]

Dr is a lover of Muslims, he debated them with respect, watch all his debates and you see a fine gentleman who doesn't get angry or disrespectful like all d angry muslims

[@mangoorange7020]

😂 nice joke

[@Gatty835]

How can I get my hands in the ingeel in its original language

[@darkness2noor]

+Mr Al Gatty I'm afraid it is not available at the moment in any part of the world. Not discovered yet.

[@WizeAdvice1]

+darkness2noor please include Hamzah Abdul Malik KZbin uploads to your channel

[@orthodoxoschristianos435]

+Mr Al Gatty What you are doing is taking your own personal standard borrowed from Muslim apologists simply because they are Muslim and have nothing better to say in defence of their own religion, and applying it to a different religion (Christianity). Let's think of what you are actually saying: 1) We have 4 separate translations of the words of Jesus from his disciples, who according to the Quran were supposed to be Allah's helpers (61:14). Did all 4 of them get it terribly wrong? 2) If the 4 translations were not made by Jesus's disciples, what were they doing? How exactly were they helping Allah? 3) If translation automatically means total corruption, only about 5% of the world's population (Arabic speakers) even have a chance to be real Muslims. Other 95% are automatically damned. 4)Why does the Quran tell us to judge by an automatically faulty or non-existing text (Injil, according to you)? My point is that Muslims are simply forced by their religion to accept EVERYTHING Muslim sources say about Muslim prophet Muhammad, and in an exactly the same way reject EVERYTHING that contemporary historical sources independently say about Muslim prophet Jesus.

[@WizeAdvice1]

Dmitri Ivanov dude no one knows who wrote those 4 books that's why they put (according to) and they ALL contradict the fuk out of each other.

[@orthodoxoschristianos435]

ghs224 Friend, let's apply YOUR methods (not mine) to Quran now. It consists of 114 surahs that were originally independent and assembled together only AFTER Muhammad's death. Muhammad is mentioned in only 4 of them. How do we know the rest have anything to do with him? From the Hadith coming centuries later and contradicting each other. By the way, the Quran has piles of contradictions as well, which is why the doctrine of abrogation exists to explain at least a part of those blunt and otherwise inexplicable contradictions. Muslim scholars still cannot fully agree as to which verses abrogate which. I repeat, this is what we will get applying YOUR standards. As for the Gospels, it is absolutely natural that since they were written by 4 different disciples they have insignificant contradictions in narration. That is the reason Christians have 4 Gospels, not 1, to get a fuller and more objective view. If they all totally agreed together (which even the Quran doesn't do to itself, even though it claims to come from only 1 author), Muslim critics would say they were all forged by only 1 person (most likely Paul, did I guess right?) Also, I've noticed that Muslims tend to label any difference as "contradiction". It is a logical fault to say so. For example, A+B does not automatically contradict A+C. It would contradict only if B=-C. For instance, saying "Jesus is a man" and "Jesus is God" is not a contradiction by itself. A contradiction would be to also say, "Jesus is not God".

[@karlos6628]

I thought lawyers we re smart and are had to fool ):

[@usedccavite4017]

nope yusuf. Muhammad have no idea what he is saying there. no arabic translation that day and so they only know what is only said (big possiblity of its incompleteness idea) by passerby people there. You lose yusuf. Keep it up James!

[@ariyanyousuf-he7mm]

ha ha did you even watch the debate

[@ibrahim786ish]

wrong again James the injeel was not the gospels of new testament , it was the words of Jesus perhaps there was a text or scroll which you know was called Q , but we dont have that now , so if you are suggesting s there was a complete injeel at the time of Muhammad (sa) present it , but don't present the 4 gospels , also James if you believe in surah 4 and you believe that those verses of the Quran are true lol than you have accept the Prophet of Islam and accept Islam

[@purposeoflife2758]

Paul is the midst between satan and paulists, paul is the destroyer of Jesus (PBUH) Teaching; The difference between the Teaching of Jesus (PBUH) and the Teaching of paul, the least, in these 6 verses; Contradictions Acts 9:7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. Acts 22:7 I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, 'Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?' Acts 22:8 "'Who are you, Lord?' I asked. "'I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,' he replied. Acts 22:9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me. Acts 26:14 We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.' Jesus (PBUH) didn’t come to destroy the law or the Prophets; Jesus (PBUH) said: Mathew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 1 John 2:4 Whoever says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 1 John 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 1 John 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. 1 John 2:7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. Jesus (PBUH) said: 2 John 1:5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. Jesus (PBUH) said: John 8:31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. According to Jesus (PBUH), "His yoke is easy and His burden is light"; MATTHEW 11:29-30 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." According to paul, yoke is an enslavement. What is the definition of the word yoke? www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/yoke_1?q=yoke yoke : rough treatment or something that restricts your freedom and makes your life very difficult to bear paul said: Acts 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? Acts 15:11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." paul said: Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. paul said: Galatians 2:4 This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. paul said: Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. paul said: Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily an annulment of the previous commandment because of the weakness and uselessness thereof. Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by which we draw near unto God. Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. Romans 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation--but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. These verses I posted in my previous comment are MORE THAN ENOUGH to prove that paul destroyed the Teaching of Jesus (PBUH), paul, the least in the kingdom of the God, paul is ONE of the Worst Anti-Christs. Mathew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mathew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Galatians 5:2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. In “Galatians 5:3-4” Paul made more pressure on the follower of Jesus (PBUH), it’s very clear that Paul didn’t want the follower of Jesus (PBUH) to follow the Law; Galatians 5:3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. The paulists don't ponder what you read in your Bible, three SUCCESSIVE and CORRELATIVE verses, 2 Corinthians 11:13, 14, 15. satan did his best for 40 days and 40 nights to seduce Jesus (PBUH), but he, satan, failed; Matthew 4:9 "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'" In 2 Corinthians 11:13, Jesus (PBUH) warned his followers of "false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. "2 Corinthians 11:13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. This verse referred to Paul, why paul? satan succeeded with saul, while saul was in his way to Damascus for his satanic purposes, killing the followers of Jesus (PBUH) and found his Master, satan waiting him. A light of angel appeared to him, to saul, this light was satan; "2 Corinthians 11:14" "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." satan succeeded in seducing and deceiving saul, satan, the angel of light, told saul that he is Jesus, the lord, and saul bowed to satan, then satan changed saul name into "paul", satan knew that it's necessary to change saul name, because saul is a murderer of Jesus (PBUH) followers, satan experienced humans since the first day, satan knew that one of human defects that they forget and they'll forget about saul and his actions by the time, so he changed saul name into paul, the false apostle, paul before he get his new name, was the servant of satan, the killer of Jesus (PBUH) followers, and he continued to be the servant of satan after he became paul, the founder of "paulism, paul, the destroyer of Jesus (PBUH) Teaching, the destroyer of the law, paul, one of worst Antichrists. Jesus (PBUH) warned his followers in "2 Corinthians 11:15": 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. Quran 57: 27 Then We sent in their wake Our messengers, and followed up with Jesus son of Mary, and We gave him the Gospel, and instilled in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy. But as for the monasticism which they invented-We did not ordain it for them-only to seek God's approval. But they did not observe it with its due observance. So We gave those of them who believed their reward, and most of them are sinful. Quran 9: 34 O you who believe! Many of the rabbis and priests consume people's wealth illicitly, and hinder from God's path. Those who hoard gold and silver, and do not spend them in God's cause, inform them of a painful punishment. ٣١-٩ ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَٰهًا وَٰحِدًا ۖ لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ. Quran 9:31 They have taken their rabbis and their priests as lords instead of God, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. Although they were commanded to worship none but The One God. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him. (They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah). `Adi commented, "I said, `They did not worship them.''' The Prophet said,(Yes they did. They (rabbis and monks) prohibited the allowed for them (Christians and Jews) and allowed the prohibited, and they obeyed them. This is how they worshiped them.) (while they were commanded to worship none but One God), Who, whatever He renders prohibited is the prohibited, whatever He allowed is the allowed, whatever He legislates, is to be the law followed, and whatever He decides is to be adhered to;

[@treeoflife3494]

YAH spoke THROUGH YAHushua (Christ) to His Messengers. No inconsistencies.

[@steadfastway1897]

So in admitting the yiu lost the original gospel of jesus, read the quran (unedited book of God) if you wish to have a criterion about what's left if the biblical gospel biography

[@purposeoflife2758]

Ironically, paulists don't believe in the Holy Quran, they use the Holy Quran to prove their righteousness. Where is the Gospel of Jesus (PBUH)? Not the man-made book, the bible, the bibulous, the small book, which had mostly written by paul, the least in the Kingdom of God;

[@filymarycamara9850]

He's soooo confused he really needs help from some Muslim scholar.....

[@syed5402]

Islam allows people of other religions are to be judged by their own religion. They can claim whatever their religious book is. Bible is collection of books that are translated from some text that was translated at some time from some text which does not exist and it is not known who wrote that any way. No doubt that if you are a "Christian" you most likely can not say ONE single word Jesus (PBUH) spoke. Don't know what his real name was. Eat pork that he never ate. If you still think that you are follower of Jesus (PBUH) then I am Spider Man.

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, The quran was revealed to mohamed by Jibril, the angel, that was his claim but nobody saw it or claimed to witness it. How would his scribe knew that he was telling the truth? The scribes wrote whatever he told the to write. Not like the pinwheel, different eyewitnesses account all talking about the same thing.

[@darkness2noor]

+123 jump I gave you the example of God resting and refreshing in the Bible. Whereas the Quran says God does not tire nor rest. If the Quran is false or maybe copied from your bible, how come Prophet Muhammad forgot to copy this from your bible?

[@willthethrill129]

I see no inconsistency in Dr. White's presentation.

[@vicachcoup]

+Will McDougal I just rewatched it and find that both sides had relevant points. Yusuf is correct that James looked at a single verse out of context. But Yusuf also didn't answer the question as to what Christians are supposed to judge by. What are they to look into to find the guidance 'therein'. I really wish Yusuf had addressed this point head on.

[@Really_Biggah]

+vicachcoup I think people are complicating it honestly. The verse says "let the people of the gospel". The problem here is that according to islam there are no legit people of the gospel. The Quran is clear that the gospel we have today is not the gospel of Jesus. I don't think the verse was talking to christians, but i think it is just a verse emphasizing the injeel during the time of jesus.

[@vicachcoup]

Yusuf Eid Salaams I'm no expert but the verse seems to be a present tense verse so one that would be relevant around 600CE. What makes you say it was about the past. Do be careful when giving your interepretatio of the quran since there is a hadith saying that the one that does that is saving a place for themselves in the fire. By this i understand that we have to be careful not to misrepresent the message of God. Salaams.

[@Really_Biggah]

vicachcoup Ibn kathir is the one who has that opinion. I did not get it from nowhere.

[@vicachcoup]

Yusuf Eid ok but can he be wrong?

[@lecepmontreal498]

Dr White is the best. Those who are interested by the truth will understand what he's saying.

[@eelcob1818]

There is not a single bit of evidence for the gospel of Jesus.... James White is right

[@abdulmalik_al-habeshi]

Jan Kaas Well you don’t even have the original New Testament, the injel means good news and it was what Jesus was teachings and do you know that the gospels of mark,Matthew,Luke, and John were written by Greek historians half a century later that is one reason they contradict each other and when it was copied more and more corruptions were made and this continued for every-time a copy was made (note this was before Gutenberg) so this pattern continues not only years or decades even centuries. The Bible is not preserved like the Quran is and that is why the injel (Gospel of Jesus) is lost

[@Moko8298]

mohamed`s own claim is not good enough for me

[@steadfastway1897]

How about Bible expert & NT specialist Prof Bart eherman who now adopts sinilar view that no gospel is original& non from god

[@GaudioWind]

Is Alah the same Christian God? What I don't understand is that if He is the same then Alah (or God) would be incompetent for He couldn't have been intelligent enough to reveal Himself not even to people who wanted to believe He existed. Both Christians and Muslims believe there is just one omnipotent God then He has to be the same.

[@abdulhk79]

+Gaudio Wind intelligent enough to reveal Himself not even to people who wanted to believe He existed? He will reveal himself in hereafter to the believers. This life is a test, so he revealed his scriptures for guidance and Quran is Final testament from God. Must read Quran to know what he has revealed therein.

[@GaudioWind]

abdul khalifa And why do you believe Jews and Christians don't believe the Q'uran is a revelation from God? It can't be because they don't believe in God. They do believe this God exists. Couldn't God make a text that would convince at least people who believe He exists?

[@abdulhk79]

+Gaudio Wind --- Couldn't God make a text that would convince at least people who believe He exists? Then where is the test. Whether you or any person is christian or Jew or anything else. You must reflect and questions things. If Allah wanted he would have guided everyone. But this life is test. So you must read scriptures and Final scriptures is Quran. So it is common sense for you or anyone else to read and study Quran and find if this is word of God or Its from Humans.

[@chuchumoses2050]

Quran should be left for very intelligent people. People who can search and find it as misleading. Because the lies contained therein can sway even the very elect people of God. Careful those who trust Quran. I have told you.

[@norbertorban8921]

Thats where your prophet is and Allah ( Beast ) Revelation 20:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[@marahrohnei750]

i think Alla n mohammad rejected the main theme of gospel which is crucifixtion and resurrection of jesus christ for the sinner for those who believe in him should not perish

[@Sweeti924]

Allah is God of jesus and jesus is messenger and slave of God

[@patricia300100]

The gospel was what God spoke through Jesus that Jesus s apostles recorded ...the sayings of Jesus on earth. Islam has a dilemma because yheir verbal sayings today contradict the Bible and muhamads sayings contradict Bible. Islam and muhamad were wrong.

[@michaellopezty23]

The gospel is Torah in which Jesus preached. Jesus taught how to live out TORAH and claims himself as the living TORAH.

[@maxboucher86]

gospel is 1 Corinthians 15 not the Torah

[@michaellopezty23]

Maxime Boucher do you understand what is Torah? Torah means instructions. What are the instructions of God? DID JESUS not show us how to live it?

[@maxboucher86]

+Michael Ty 1 Corinthians 15 says this is the gospel or good news to be preached. and than defines it. go read it. it never said preach Torah. and what was preached by early Christians? the gospel defined in 1 Corinthians 15. don't tell me I don't understand. Scripture backs me up and history. be honest with yourself. you said the gospel is Torah, no gospel is defined in 1 Corinthians 15 now accept the correction like an honest person would.

[@michaellopezty23]

Brother, Let me first say I agree with you 100 percent. I apologize for not communicating any of my statements well. You are right, the gospel is GRACE through Jesus Christ. We can now have a relationship with God through Messiah because of the sacrifce that was given to us. I was just simply trying to say that once we are saved, we must do the BEST WE CAN with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT to SIN NO MORE. Sin is a transgression of the Law. 1 John 3:4. The "Law" is Torah (which really translates to intruction). The Grace of God is what saves us from the penalty of the Law which is Death, but we are still in obligation to obey because of our love for God. 1 Corinthians 5: 1-6. Paul talks about oberving the "Feast" (which is part of the law of God) not with the OLD LEAVEN but with the "UNLEAVENED BREAD OF SINCERITY AND TRUTH." Jesus in the Gospels also rebuked the Pharasees for addiction to the law of God/"tradition of the elders." Jesus showed people how to live out God's instructions(Torah).

[@zahiromare]

The gospel that was revealed NOT that gospels that were supposedly inspired.

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, yes I have read the quran, and it's not very convincing compared to the Bible.

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor: Try to convince me that mohamed is a true prophet. Give me evidence

[@dhm5675]

Read the Qur'an which is proof enough the he was a messanger and Prophet from the Lord of the Worlds.

[@arsalakhan8098]

'Unbiasly' consult both the Old and New Testaments to search the Parakaletos, the Unlettered apostle who will not speak in his own voice but the Lord's and he who is most like Moses plus he who will be from among the brethren of the Israelites i.e. Ishmalites Go and check this promised final Prophet, known as the Seal of Prophethood, and prophesied in Torah and Gospels.

[@arsalakhan8098]

If Allah wills you will see & know the truth but as the Quran states those whose hearts are blocked will never be enlightened. You decide whether you are ready to be convinced or challenging for the sake of your illogical argumants.

[@Jay-iw1bc]

Lol go and read the commentary of this verse by Fakhr al-Deen Al-Razi

[@divinad.deasis4998]

Bible is corrupted?abduls do you have the orig bible?why it seems you have it.we will wait ur claim even in million years.

[@Moko8298]

darkness2noor. How can you proof that mohamed is preaching the word of allah. Give me the evidence besides his (mohamed) own words

[@darkness2noor]

+123 jump One simple example. You said Muhammad s.a.w.s wrote the Quran. That's the Christian allegation and I believe you sit in the same boat. Now, we have two narrations of a similar teaching about God. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed - Exodus 31:17 Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep....His Throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of both does not tire Him - Surah 2:255 How does the 'man made' Quran correct a Biblical weakness and weak understanding of God in your 'Word of God'. All of us agree that God is ALL POWERFUL. He does not require sleep nor rest neither does he need to be refreshed. This is a weakness that is an attribute of creation but not the CREATOR.

[@nhordz4331]

john 8:40 jesus preached the word of God i don't think james that the one preached by jesus is the 66 or 73 books,, so james i think u assume here that u are better than ur bible because the bible itself approve that jesus preached the word of God,not bible, that is the fact

[@worshiphim3823]

...But yet James White is the most consistent in this debate. I side with him.

[@abdulhk79]

+Worship HIM! I dont expect consistency from christian. There scriptures itself is not consistent. One place it says Son of God and very next sentence its says son of man.

[@worshiphim3823]

Son of God is accurate and Son of Man is accurate He is both. His favorite term to refer to Himself was "Son of Man" we associate this with the literal meaning, that he is the son of "a" man, but actually the meaning is greater than that. The jewish culture considered all man as sons of God by creation, (that would be You and me) but in the case of Jesus He is the Son of God because the type of relationship that exist in the Godhead. I wont try to explain the trinity, but there are three distinct persons - ONE nature and authority and power - ONE essence GOD. Now the part that I want to explain to you is the part of the title "SON OF MAN" Daniel Chapter 7 talks about this: 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a "son of man", and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And "to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom", that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve (worship as only given to God) him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed. So you see, He was telling the people I am God the Messiah "The Son of Man" and I am the Son of God because He and His Father have a relationship as dad and son but in complete perfection. If you have a son you will understand what I mean. But please notice that is not a son of God by creation but only in the relationship that has with the Father. God bless you and guide you always.

[@abdulhk79]

Worship HIM! I can disprove all this. But we need to have chat or one2one conversation for this. If you agree for discourse just Add me in FB then we will see if u stand for truth or you are one of blind followers.

[@williambrowning4842]

For these suras to make sense at all the injeel had to be in the possession of the people of the injeel. That is the only way they can rule or live by that injeel. That is the only way they can be held accountable for disobeying it. The injeel is the Gospel that the people had.

[@vicachcoup]

+William Browning Yes it all depends on the interpretation of that verse. It doesn't necessarily regard the NT as correct. It says judge by what is revealed therein. That phrase is open to interpretation. It could mean to obey what Jesus said in it. I don't think Yusuf answered this question.

[@ahmedshuaibi6987]

i tell you my brother christens read you bible and bring you facts , we don't care about what you feel, use you brains , think , do you acutely believe that a man died for you sins and u get to go to heaven for no effort. 1+1+1 =3 , simple mathematics don't confuse you selfs.Even jesus peace be upon him said keep the commandments and the God is one, and you went and followed what so call John said and ignored jesus peace be upon him and threw the commandments behind you back made up Trinity. Seriously this is a serious matter don't follow blindly b/c its a matter between hell and heaven.

[@ianclayson956]

Interesting how Naik quotes the quran, using one verse THAT IS DIRECTED TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. He won't quote the very next verse, however. Islam is a patchwork cult based on paganism and a complete misunderstanding of the gospels and the torah. The quran is so corrupted and incomplete (not to mention incomprehensible and full of contradictions). There are places in the hadith that states that a lot of passages that are supposed to be in there but are missing (I guess allah couldn't even keep that from happening, he's so impotent). There is SO much manuscript evidence that shows that the New Testament HAS been preserved, and is the same as what was available in the 7th century (when Mahound made up his religion)

[@darkness2noor]

+Ian Clayson Rant over?

[@j400wel]

The bible tells you the reader in the first few pages that it the bible has many mistakes and also gives you footnotes after certain verses to let the reader know that the verse indicated is not found in the original manuscript and said verse has been added yet you do called followers of Jesus still say the biblos is the word of God.

[@faisalwho]

@@darkness2noor he’s just salty that this “patchwork cult” did and does a better job of spreading and guiding people to Allah than his faith.

[@jamrijabrig6146]

Mr White....belegug sia

[@jamrijabrig6146]

injil lain gospel nya....botak....inget

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, The injeel writers quoted the Torah but they didn't claimed themselves to be prophets. Quoting the Torah doesn't make anybody a prophet. That still doesn't prove to me that mohamed is a prophet

[@krishyyfan5153]

🤣stop your nonsense... Stoning of Women is not AUTOMATICALLY implemented today because the Law of Moses is interpreted according LOVE and MERCY First as the Priority... JEsus himself told us how to interpret the Law of Moses.. (MATTHEW 22: 39 -40) ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[@kestonsmith1200]

I have a question, "does verse 45 apply to christian today?"

[@darkness2noor]

+Keston Smith "And We ordained for them in that [Torah]: A life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and a [similar] retribution for wounds; 61 but he who shall forgo it out of charity will atone thereby for some of his past sins. 62 And they who do not judge in accordance with what God has revealed - they, they are the evildoers! Surah 5:45 For these laws, the Christians of today need to follow the injunctions and legislation of the Quran and Prophetic teachings as the final revelation for all mankind. And Allah knows best.

[@kestonsmith1200]

+darkness2noor So the Christian should not/ cannot judge by what is written in the Gospel?

[@darkness2noor]

+Keston Smith Well the gospel spoken about in this passage is the gospel given to Jesus alaihsalam. Do you have it to judge by it?

[@kestonsmith1200]

+darkness2noor Yes we do have the gospel that Jesus Christ preached and taught and the Christians of the 6th century (when the Quran was written) had it also. They were written down by his disciples in the first century, of which we have entire copies which pre-date the writings of the Quran (Noted by Dr. White in the debate). Now I know that the Quran teaches that it was corrupted but can you present the christian with any hard manuscript evidence from the first or second centuries that gives us a gospel or New Testament that looks like what a Muslim would expect it to look like? To claim corruption without providing any evidence from the period of time in which Jesus and his disciples lived to validate such a claim, does nothing to affect the Christian's confidence in the reliability of the manuscript writings that we have today (Again, we have manuscripts of the gospel/New Testament that pre-date the writings of the Quran).

[@abdulhk79]

+Keston Smith Yes we do have the gospel that Jesus Christ preached? You might have, but 90% of current gospel is in black letter. We are talking about red letter bible. Much of current day bible is corrupted and full of superman contradictions.

[@orthodoxoschristianos435]

How does "muhaiminan" mean "quality control"? Literal translation is "watcher" or "guardian". But again, why guard something that is already corrupt? It also makes no sense whatsoever. The "context" that is being appealed to by Yusuf Ismail is artificial in order to twist the original meaning that otherwise demonstrates the Quran author's ignorance. Muhammad BELIEVED he was in line with Injil, and now all Muslims have left to do is twist his words in order to keep their religion.

[@orthodoxoschristianos435]

Dear respected sir, since I am a professional Russian-English-Ancient Greek translator, I would like to make a few comments on what you have written: 1) I never insulted you, any other Muslims, or their intellect in my comments. I would like you to do the same. 2) Contextual translation means not only agreement with the general meaning of the text, it also means agreement with the cultural and historical context. For example, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are notorious for making a wild translation of the Bible that goes in direct contradiction with the cultural and historical context of the original. For instance, they translate “σταυρος” not as “cross”, but as “pole”, simply because Homer had used the word in this meaning 1000 years before the New Testament. LOL. Now, let us apply the same principle here. You claim that “muhimin” should mean “quality control”. Have you ever wondered why even in the English language, which is number 1 in the world in terms of the number of synonyms, in the collocation “quality control” both of the words are Latin in origin, not native English? Do you seriously believe that almost entirely illiterate Arab Bedouins of the 7th century, who according to all evidences even got their alphabet just a 100 before, already had such complex notions as “quality control” that even the modern English language hasn’t developed on its own? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Arabic_alphabet#Pre-Islamic_Arabic_inscriptions Just so that you understand my point, here is an example of 11th century English: Hwæt! wē Gār-Dena inġeār-dagum, þēod-cyninga, þrym ġefrūnon, hū ðā æþelingas ellen fremedon. Very clear? Can we use a modern English dictionary to translate that? But you are claiming things about an even older version of Arabic! I am not insisting that I am right here. I am just reasoning. But if I am wrong, can you give another 7th century or earlier example of the word “muhimin” being definitely used in the meaning of “quality control”, or “corrector”, or whatever else in that fashion? I even heard Muslim theologians being asked the same question, but they could not give any answer. Maybe you can.

[@purposeoflife2758]

Your blindness lead you to ignorance and this is the normal result of the blindness, heart blindness. Before discussing the verses of the Holy Quran and interpret it according to your ignorance, tell us where is the Injil, the Gospel of Jesus (PBUH), not this bible, the bibulous, the small books, which is a man-made book, most of it was written by paul the least in the Kingdom of God.

[@purposeoflife2758]

Do you speak Arabic?

[@purposeoflife2758]

Jeremiah 8:8-10 8“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie. 9“The wise men are put to shame, They are dismayed and caught; Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, And what kind of wisdom do they have? 10“Therefore I will give their wives to others, Their fields to new owners; Because from the least even to the greatest Everyone is greedy for gain; From the prophet even to the priest Everyone practices deceit.

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, Jesus did not write the Injeel. If the quran says that, then the quran is wrong. The Injeel was written around 30 years after Jesus by His followers

[@darkness2noor]

+123 jump Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Nobody says Jesus wrote the Injeel. It might have been a verbal revelation. What was the 'evangelion' Jesus was preaching in Matthew 4:23? Do you have any confirmation in your bible today that the bible which you claim is the gospel from God is the same gospel that Jesus preached in Matthew 4:23. If you have please show it to us.

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, Jesus didn't write any books or told people to write books about Him. The injeel was written few decades after He went away.

[@dhm5675]

The Injeel was given to Jesus and was a direct testimony/speech by Allah as as the Qur'an is. so when you find others narrating it is easy to judge and see what you are left with. no longer the speech of Allah. the verse is basically a challange to christians.

[@Moko8298]

Darkness2noor, The quran doesn't convince me about mohamed's prophethood. the quran failed to do that for me

[@darkness2noor]

+123 jump Have you read the Quran?

[@pranove34]

Dear #darkness2noor, where do you get an idea from that like mohammad, jibreel was coming dictating a book to all prophets and the same thing was happening to Jesus ? Sorry my friend that was not happening to any prophet, that kind of occurrence is a joke. That joke has been played only on mohammad. By someone other than Gabriel, Gabriel doesnot Grab prophets he doesnot posses prophets or anyone. Thats what jinns do. So actually you want to apply that joke on every prophet.What Jesus preached is the Gospel and its noted by his disciples. Now about 2:79. Surah 2.79 is about your Hadiths and Tafsirs and you and the shia muslims derive your entire religion from. The Hadiths and Tafsirs. Not a single verse in the Quran says that the previous scriptures are corrupted. Infact there is verse after verse saying believe in the previous books by name. And you want to apply 2:79 on previous books. Thats desperate and pathetic. Apply it on hadiths and Tafsirs my friend. But you won't, because we both know that if it is applied on hadiths and Tafsirs and not the previous books what will happen to Islam.

[@darkness2noor]

+Pranove Prasad Really? Then what was Satan doing tempting your God Jesus Christ in the wilderness offering him the kingdoms of the world. Will you call that a joke too? The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him received revelations from the Arch Angel Gabriel not just at the first instance in the Cave of Hira, it was throughout his Prophetic life at different stages in various different circumstances. The missionary brainwashing is feeding your brain lies about grabbing or possessing the Prophet. You need to desanitize your thinking from typical missionary attacks on Islam which are distant from the reality.

[@pranove34]

darkness2noor Satan tried Jesus and failed miserably. So don't talk about Jesus. That evil spirit from satan was not Gabriel. Gabriel has a way of behaving. He first identifies himself in a dignified manner and says clearly "I come with a mesage for you from God. He does not behave they way that spirit behaved. He grabbed mohammad and started squeezing mohammad and all his life this spirit used to posses him and made him say things. Gabriel is an Angel he does not poses people. When I compare mohammad with Paul, we see that mohammad fails even before Paul in comparrision. mohammad recited Al Uzza, Al Lat and Manat were allah's daughters.

[@pranove34]

darkness2noor +darkness2noor Satan tried Jesus and failed miserably. So don't talk about Jesus. That evil spirit from satan was not Gabriel. Gabriel has a way of behaving. He first identifies himself in a dignified manner and says clearly "I come with a mesage for you from God. He does not behave they way that spirit behaved. He grabbed mohammad and started squeezing mohammad, then this stupid spirit did not even know mohammad could not read and kept saying ikra, and all of mohammad's life this spirit used to posses him and made him recite his verses. Gabriel is an Angel he does not poses people. Sorry. When I compare mohammad with Paul, we see that mohammad fails even before Paul in comparrision. mohammad recited Al Uzza, Al Lat and Manat were allah's daughters. So Satan did not have to test mohammad, he just made him do what he wanted.

[@shaheenshabudien5134]

Pranove Prasad so why would satan,say to pay charity,or guard your privates and tongue,dont drink or gamble,have you ever read the quraan no one is more hated in it and you dont know about that because you made up a story that his god,where is the gospel of Jesus?

[@shaheenshabudien5134]

Pranove Prasad im sorry but god is one and the earth is not flat

[@winburna852]

James White is consistent.

[@nasserkimbugwe]

Yes, consistent in his lies

[@j2shoes288]

you can see the works of Gary Miller, has spread and benefitted many.