darktide advanced: explaining the slot system a niche mechanic that effects EVERYTHING

[@TannerLindberg]

I turned my mic gain up a little bit for this video so im much louder. Let me know if you like this more or less compared to the previous 2 videos i hope you enjoy videos like this that show off. very niche mechanics i dont see this talked about in any guide ever so i wanted to cover it.

[@ShaggyLad]

I didn't even know coherency regen stopped when enemies were in range, so this was very informative. Preciate it!

[@Undeadangel]

imo, volume was better. Was at a good place for me atleast.

[@anomer6004]

I think I slightly prefer the volume of last 2 videos. And let me say: I appreciate a lot the new calmer, more collected and comprehensive presentation. Thanks for videos, it's good stuff!

[@leonardomontero3876]

​@@ShaggyLad x2

[@TinyGreyOwl]

I like this mic volume more. It makes presentation cleaner unless you gonna talk about ingame sounds.

[@ShaggyLad]

I'm a slot for Tanner's Darktide content.

[@JonathanNormandy]

Insane

[@1est1]

content = dick

[@chiphand]

Luke what are you doing here?

[@RANDOM_DUD-qj3jd]

I dibs one

[@erst07]

ah, the movie group fight mechanic

[@Александр911-х6л]

Yup and this is why fight don't scale into a full mess, even with big horde.

[@KanaKaname]

I cannot stress this enough but HOLY SHIT THANK YOU SO MUCH for explaining this, literally everything makes more sense now.

[@TannerLindberg]

Hey im glad you like it :D

[@Torinatorr]

this is so sick bro. this is the type of shit I love to see, I had no idea how you were gonna represent this but ofc this vid. nice commentary as usual reject

[@TannerLindberg]

I actually found it far easier to visualize then ever explain

[@Undeadangel]

@@TannerLindberg I have played darktide for a long time and didnt realize that, nor did I know that toughness regen is basically 0.

[@veliseo]

the way you contextualize and present obscure game mechanics and information is remarkable, and it has made me an objectively better darktide player. i got my master of the golden storm finished on only my second auric maelstrom because of you. thanks, tanner. subbed

[@TannerLindberg]

hey that makes me happy to hear :D

[@MisterEtide]

This makes total sense, as you said it is something you intuit as an experienced player, but probably dont know the mechanics behind. I have a suspicion that the ai director can tell when you are obstructing your slots like this, and it intentionally spawns area denial specials and stuff like trappers to force players out of them. I dont know where to look for proof of this beyond anecdotal evidence, but it would make sense.

[@vfrostbane225]

This is genuinely really interesting. Even though im not nearly high skill enough to make use of it, its interesting to see behind the curtain a bit. Love this ^^

[@TannerLindberg]

Actually you are good enough! It's a very fundamental mechanic. You can do it

[@TheRealSykx]

selling yourself short is your first mistake, let's make it your only mistake!

[@themuffinman5755]

Just back up while pushing the horde. Easier with a wall to one of your sides.

[@TacticalReaper56]

Nahh this is what I've been waiting for. Drop that deep hidden bs no one can see on the surface. My Royal With Cheese part duce.

[@TannerLindberg]

i love royal with cheese dudes a legit legend and a big inspiration of mine.

[@amtrent123]

2:16 'As long as theres no specials' ZOOM AND ENHANCE ON THE TRAPPER Also, huge on the in depth explanation as to why toughness regen isn't as strong as it would seem

[@TannerLindberg]

I did that for a reason lol. To show that this is more of a less ditch thing and not a strat you should go for

[@Shibby]

Professor Tanner arc.

[@TinyGreyOwl]

Always has been.

[@mingingchicken]

This is actually something I've noticed when being backed into a corner, nice to have an explanation of the mechanics at play, good vid.

[@digitalmontenegro]

This is so good to see. I was explaining this to a friend in a non technical way and the best example I came with was the Thermopylae. There are corridors where you can funnel the horde and easily dwindle their numbers. Subbed.

[@Giggahurts]

This 5 and a half minute video is peak Darktide content as far as I'm concerned. I always wondered why hordes didn't just rush you in a giant amorphous blob and this pretty much explained how and why very concisely. This shit is forbidden technology, yet is somehow also blindingly obvious once you actually lay it out like this. Good shit.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

This is soo good to see, because I have been testing various ways to fight 50 ragers at once (mostly ogryn, some zealot) and I had to do this in order to even have a chance.

[@troller9838]

Devs should consider making it harder for enemies to disable coherency regen, maybe enemies should have to have at least half the slots occupied before coherency regen gets disabled, would make the mechanic matter a bit more and encourage players to not get surrounded, not that they need encouragement for that anyway. Alternatively instead of coherency regen being disabled due to enemies being in slots, make each enemy in a slot slow toughness regen down instead of disabling it entirely. Anyway, would be nice if the coherency regen mechanic was looked at by the devs and made more relevant, it basically doesn't matter in combat.

[@TannerLindberg]

Yeah it's my main reason for thinking toughness regen speed is not very good.

[@Capense-q9m]

Yea I remember seeing a video about the slot system in vermintide 2 a while back. Basically having 3 walls or in a corner around you allows you to dump some aggro. I use it a lot in vt2 when there is a huge group of elites on me, you dump a lot of a elite aggro and make them go after teammates who are more prepared to fight them

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

This is very interesting. definitely makes me even less scared of hoards now that's for sure

[@alexanderprokopenko8354]

Your new positive attitude is shining through in your content. Thank you for your contributions to the game and I hope you can keep up the good attitude, it makes you 10x more watchable.

[@PallyChan]

Good job explaining. I tried explaining this to my friends and even though I drew them a picture in paint they didnt really get it and still yell at me for not being in coherency when 90% of your toughness regeneration comes from class mechanics not coherency.

[@beeffilledshark1714]

Just started playing Darktide again after a year. It always felt like passive coherency regen was strange. Appreciate the video Mr. Lindberg.

[@winmau.88]

This is super interesting, now you’ve shown this i can’t unsee it anymore.

[@nootchog8292]

Mic volume was good imo. Also, somewhat new player here, I've noticed that way the AI works over my first 30 or so hours on 40K. Had no idea that the same system was in VT2. Another thing, great job of showing the slot system. I though it was more of a "if they can fit they'll fit" type deal, not a fixed number system. Little things like these really make a difference. Also subbed now to. Keep up the "straight to the fucking point" vids.

[@tianxiu]

Thank you, now I know why I was wrong about Loner and toughness reg.

[@THYANIWAR]

I trust Tanner because he is very honest and provocative in "debate", but cool when its time to teach us noobs. Thx bro. This content is great.

[@williams7026]

Thank you sah! It’s been 1,000 hours in the game. I only know something so important now.

[@ExtraAttack146]

Great stuff man

[@TannerLindberg]

Glad you liked it

[@REALMozared]

Once again, super useful stuff. Thanks Tanner! I've been pretty happy with my set-up for ages, but little things like this are often making me rethink things and go in to try other stuff.

[@crimsonsun3875]

The newer content is beginning to remind me of J_sat's from back in the days of Vermintide. I always liked your content, but this a nice direction that's really valuable to the community.

[@MidriffPuppet65]

Loving your evolution and have always loved the deep dive of your videos. I really do appreciate the positive/neutral tone of your last few as well!

[@Khaons]

this kinda knowledge is a game changer for this kinda games. it remembered be of the good ol j_sat videos where he taught the strats about dealing with the AI, but you Tanner? hell you explained the whole AI in 5 minutes, insane didatics

[@alvisstalwart925]

Concise and informative on a consistent basis. Thanks for your time put into these.

[@Monicaser]

Your videos have helped me immensely with actually understanding all the nuances for each class. Great work!

[@Bzuhl]

I thought that was an overly technical tip for expert but now I can't unsee the yellow circles when the horde turns up... Thanks Tanner!

[@badluckprophet9103]

This is why I subbed to this channel. Easy yet detailed explanation with proof of a mechanic that is so key to DT and yet never talked about.

[@Bablindel_Slonffth]

This is great content! Like you said, I got an intuitive idea of this happening, but seeing it played out clearly like this really clicked.

[@srreina8117]

I bought this game like two weeks ago and I'm so glad I found this channel

[@Sightss_]

i kept wondering why i saw so much staggering instead of just killing the damn horde. Makes sense now thanks

[@shkiper9411]

Now that is something even experienced players may not know. Thanks for the explanation.

[@TheDarkZoren]

I knew of this but never knew how it actually worked. Thanks for the vid!

[@GenericMedic]

This is genuinely helpful, thank you.

[@NotLukeYT]

This explains a lot of things, i remember doing this (without knowing this info) i could survive 6-8 Crushers in a corner, insane

[@Sleepin-N-Snoozn]

That was informative. Thanks.

[@TannerLindberg]

Im glad it was :D

[@Bibitybopitybacon]

This is amazing! I had no idea it worked like that!! Thank you so much for sharing this!

[@gettinghelpsoon]

Incredibly informative, im gonna be thinking about this every match i play now. This is why you are the best darktide channel

[@agnostican]

This is really useful information.

[@d.w.s.robinson9487]

Wildly helpful. I feel like over time my lizard brain has begun to understand about Darktide many of these things but actually understanding them through demonstration encodes it into the 'ole monkey brain.

[@josephsalaba8290]

man this is the sorta stuff I like. Going *really* into the weeds about mechanics. I'm a little annoyed with other darktide creators just sticking with theory and vibes and not going into *why* the meta is the way the meta is. There were a few videos recently about what the "best" curios are, and I expected them to go into the math and showcase effective total health and factoring in the pros and cons, but nah, not a single spreadsheet and not a single diagram. Just "yeah so toughness is the best so just stack toughness". But whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy is toughness the best, when on classes like Ogryn stacking health can result in over 200 more effective health than stacking toughness, even when factoring in toughness damage resistance. Looking forward to more videos like this one!

[@gunnerdown]

It’s crazy that I’ve kind of understood this but just didn’t know how it worked exactly and the second I saw the circles on the ground everything clicked

[@clubvideo9385]

I loved your videos because I sucked at darktide (probably still do) and your videos where the most informative I could find. Your tone of voice didn't disturb me, I found it quite amussing, but I must say your latest videos are really enjoyable to watch. You have a great voice and I hope this new tone of voice appeals to the masses so you can finally get the recognition you deserve. (Sorry for the typo I am quite drunk ATM)

[@gregburrow3350]

wow i always did alot of this instinctually but great way to visualize this. awesome vid

[@Barrett_Jesus]

Why do people not like you. You are awesome.

[@killroy1117]

All the enemies seem to take dibs specifically behind me.

[@gfreeezy8124]

A few weeks back I saw a Video of you being pretty... lets say insulting for the lack of a better word right now. But the last few videos of you really made me sub and like them. Discussing why stuff is bad and people should stop doing it is very good without being insulting or such. Really a redemption arc. Good info into the nitty gritty of the game without overexplaining or overcomplicating stuff. Easy to follow and pretty well spoken even. Keep it up man. Im glad I didnt give up on the channel. Gold mine of information.

[@9owned0]

you know what, i like this calmer tanner, keep it up

[@user-zs7dd4mo7g]

Just wow!! Very cool staff thank you!

[@Baldrekr]

Great video and another good reason to ditch toughness regen, which even on ogryn isn't that amazing when you can get 20% per hit back.

[@cinicalpower899]

soo, is this the power of peaceful Tanner? HERESY!! But damn, im down for it, great and useful video!

[@Александр911-х6л]

BTW it is good system. It make fights more "cinema realistic". the system restrains AI movements so that the battle does not turn into garbage, as it happens for example in mount blade. this is literally why you will not be able to feel yourself as the main character there, however there is an emphasis on the battle of AI with AI in the battle formation.

[@TinyGreyOwl]

Nobody claims it`s bad. Outside of coherency toughness regen part ofc.

[@snake3419]

Guess I got some curios to re stat lol, thank you so damn much for the info!

[@SStesta90]

you are one of the better darktid creators in my opinion even tho you are a silly billy most of the time.

[@henryhallward]

Some really nice insights, cheers!

[@Nyx-Knacks]

This is very cool to know, thank you!

[@jamespateluniversity]

Excellent video, thanks for the insight.

[@MegaWizardguy]

I 100% agree that toughness regen is bad on the human classes, but I really like it on Ogryn. I can maintain full toughness when there are melee enemies no matter what, my main problem is a bunch of gunners with no melee enemies.

[@TannerLindberg]

uhhh about that gunners disable it too each tick of damage causes your regen delay to start and restart so taking it for gunners is kind of nonsensical :D

[@MegaWizardguy]

I meant normal non-elite gunners sorry my bad. Each shot taken only stops the coherency regen for less than a second.

[@torm0]

@@MegaWizardguy Honestly despite what Tanner says I still like to run toughness regen on some Ogryn builds. It just helps get back to 100% toughness behind cover quickly with the amount of replenishment Ogryn gets from the tree and it does feel like it reduces the delay to me. For the most part I have switched to toughness from braced weapon for the stubber and kickback (with surgical) though. I bet it's good for Ripper too but I run that in a more melee focused build with cleaver just for can opener mostly and suppressing gunners.

[@supdude4292]

I thought it was weird when in the meat grinder they always spread out which i just thought was a mechanic but they were pathing to me slots behind me

[@somaoof]

Got a sub. Been enjoying your content!

[@The_Hoss]

Great video Tanner. Just wish you’d yell more. I miss us.

[@ray-vr6in]

good vid. clean fast precise

[@curveofsound]

This is why experienced psykers know the surge staff effectively stun locks an entire horde even though its only hitting 3 enemies at a time

[@fragtal177]

You rock, keep the content coming

[@prich0382]

Nice that mechanics in Vermintide 2 are very similar or the same in Darktide.

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

I don't even play Darktide, I just really love anyone talking in detail about something they enjoy and breaking it down for anyone to understand. Maybe I'll get into it once I'm done with Space Marine 2 (fantastic game btw)!

[@darkranger116]

it sure is nice to know how the game i play works

[@randomcomments5034]

Fuck.... Well this video may have just killed Darktide for me. It just broke the illusion of the horde.... God damn it

[@torm0]

Do the coherency buffs still apply regardless such as cooldown reduction or toughness damage reduction auras? Also unrelated but something I thought about recently, psykers stamina delay is 0.5 seconds and enables you if you have some stam regen and sprint eff to generate stamina when repeatedly sliding, that being said veteran can reduce their stam delay to 0.5 seconds with the two nodes from the talent tree. Having tested it myself it seems repeatedly sliding with stamina is still faster than sprinting with no stamina and good for when you're at the end of your bar. Do you feel this is something worth building into or rarely gets use? With Psyker I feel it's more worth because of the lower stamina pool even with +3.

[@quack3891]

great technical examples tbh the other video for this is 50 minutes long but its also a very indepth video about other game mechanics as well lmao

[@LichKingg23]

2:18 A wild trapper appears

[@alexandreparent5754]

Hey Tanner, I would really like if you could cover the Cackling Trapper mod, it actually makes fix the silent trapper issue and also makes them more consistently audible which makes it no brainer mod.

[@Kfo221]

Remember when games just used to be games you played for fun..? But now you have stuff like this..pepridge farm remembers

[@Sly_rim]

"the end of Vermintide's life"

[@leonardomontero3876]

Thank you tanner ❤

[@octowo]

thanks for the karate lessons mr boss i love you

[@townwitchdoctor5538]

I always thought this was missing navmesh in VT2, some of it probably was but there's certain areas this definitely fits.

[@TannerLindberg]

No its an intended mechanic from vermintide 2 it is effectively an ai attack names for players

[@townwitchdoctor5538]

@@TannerLindberg I understand why the cheese spots never got patched out now. It's pretty interesting seeing this play out in missions, the hidden lore.

[@Александр911-х6л]

​@@townwitchdoctor5538cheese spots can be fixed buy map redesign, or by ai director with special spawn script for special zones on maps.

[@joanromba6972]

I'm hyped for Tanner's Dragon Age Veilguard videos. Is this the Skyrim killer?

[@TheRealSykx]

Great vid

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

If Darktide hordes work like this and VT2 hordes don't, this actually completely explains why I have always felt that DT hordes are really pathetic compared to VT2 and why they are so absurdly easy to control through stagger.

[@TannerLindberg]

Actually it's because stagger is far more fleshed out in vermintide. In darktide you kind of just stagger with anything that can cause it

[@chobofo]

Darktide 101A-Slots

[@curveofsound]

Also, really good to know about the fact that they interrupt your coherency. I didnt know that and probably never noticed because of toughness regen on kill, etc. Essentially coherency only works out of combat vs melee, but does this include the cd reduction and crit chance etc in coherency or only toughness regen?

[@amurtiger3555]

So to start kiting you need to be at a certain distance away from them so the enemies are too far to take the slots before you're able to sprint without getting tracked I imagine

[@maratnugmanov]

Great insight explanation! But what is dibz?

[@erst07]

it's a slang term for right to claim, or "it's mine"

[@maratnugmanov]

@erst07 I see, thanks 👍

[@jaclendol5787]

Good vid!

[@janotil1778]

It's a very fundamental mechanic you explained it quite well actually. There is ofc a lot more nuance to it but from a basic understanding that is how it works. In case anyone is interested about the topic more there are examples and explanations for the previous two vermintide games (which both used the same system) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYSQeWWIbNBqm7csi=EFj5EJ4THHsmiBwC kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6PEkKahj8qsa80si=tZPquPcisChOVyNx kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWrdpaOuo89sl6Msi=EkSygwE8oKjSBBkI

[@Diomedes_XXII]

Hello... good stuff, bro

[@Draceb]

Nice!

[@draconicrift8974]

Does Ogryn have more slots, or anything different about their slots?

[@DawnApon]

Like someone said its something you intuit but dont know exactly the workings of. My first consideration is you cant always control where enemies come from, and secondly as you say specials like dogs and trappers, flamers maybe more.

[@amagideon1]

For the Loner test, does reducing the coherency regen delay to 0.7s with 3 curios make dodging out of melee and doing a little more kiting for toughness more practical?

[@TannerLindberg]

No im using triple toughness regen there actually

[@amagideon1]

@@TannerLindberg cool, good data

[@TheOneTrueStAN]

Gee I wonder what Mr. E is gonna upload today

[@zakanater1]

Does coherency affect special spawn rate? I heard someone mention taking loner because if you don't you'll get trappers/dogs constantly, but I can't find any actual info to back this claim up.

[@TannerLindberg]

no from what i have learned it does not and is a myth

[@zakanater1]

@@TannerLindbergokay awesome i thought so too