darktide: EVERYTHING you could ever want to know about the veteran. 2024

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[@TannerLindberg]

WHEN I SAY SHOTGUNS I AM EXCLUSIVKY REFERING TO THE DOUBLE BARREL hello i learned alot making this video about making videos i mean. so i hope you really enjoy it and learned alot :D my discord is open to all if you have questions or wanna play and learn the game

[@clevergoblin1714]

Did I just go into a time loop? I thought I saw this entire video already! Time to watch it again lol

[@MrLyramion]

@@clevergoblin1714 Nah it was shorter and also stuff like Born in Blood was explained wrong

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

Psyker "everything" video when?.... :P I just want other peoples perspective. Psyker is my main, I just don't want to re test everything against since gear change. etc etc.

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

Is it me, or does HALF the video consist of hate to Krak and Smoke nades? :P

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

Have you thought of adding 3 builds at the end of each vid like this? One per Ultimate or one per capstone. Basically 3 very different builds.

[@discipleofkhorne9472]

This guy is a legend, he just deleted an hour and a half long video and remade it from scratch just to correct some small mistakes. That is some dedication to providing good information on this game.

[@maratnugmanov]

Omg, that's why it doesn't have my timestamp, this is a new video.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

The re-upload was definitely a good call. More concise thoughts and such.

[@thib0958]

Angry tanner was funny but calm tanner is relaxing when you want to learn darktide mechanics

[@V0Ontis]

Twinned blast doesn't need to be "buffed to 50%". It needs an "Every X minutes your next grenade throw throws a double" or "every second grenade thrown is a double" rework, either one of those. It shouldn't be "chance"-based at all. It will be infuriating to get non-procs every time even if the node would have a 75% chance. Regarding the "8m" nodes: they should rework them to "if there are no ELITES OR SPECS in 8m range...". That way the vet will: - keep the buff despite occasionally having some rank and file dreg in vicinity; - be more motivated to focus on elites and specs for the team; - have an opportunity to dish out extra damage burst to bosses with Kraks if the "+20% ranged damage" bonus is also reworked to just "+20% damage bonus", increasing Krak's utility somewhat. And Leave No One Behind could probably be a legitimate pick if it would provide the Vet a golden toughness overshield while either moving towards a downed ally or during the revive process of a downed ally. There might also be a funny option of adding a toned down variant of Ogryn's charge effect so that if the Vet moves towards a downed teammate, he staggers rank and file (non-specs, non-elites) out of his way (not dropping them on the ground as Ogryn does, but just staggering them so that the way is cleared). Also, Tunnel Vision is "+5% Toughness Replenishment". Emphasis on "Replenishment", not "Replenish". It increases your OTHER "Replenish" keyword effects by +5% per stack of MF. So, +50% (or +75% if we're at 15/15 instead) for the effect of ExTakedown, Confirmed Kill, Out for Blood, Field Improvisation Medkit T.R. effect component. Maybe even Born Leader, but this remains unconfirmed.

[@TannerLindberg]

I actually agree with all of this

[@V0Ontis]

@@TannerLindberg I cannot overemphasize how much I wish ObeseWhales pay more attention to their talent trees. I mean, it doesn't take a 314IQ genius to polish them out. There are awesome nodes and then there are outright terrible nodes. There are meta pick node placement paths and then there are atrociously garbage placement paths. With just three base "specs" for each of just four classes it shouldn't take much effort to balance things out... but here we are. I also had to edit my note from before to add the statement regarding Tunnel Vision. It was somewhat confusing for me too until I realized that it was all about the -keyword-. P.S. Ohoho. I am not the only one suffering from "out of memory" crashes then? This knowledge is... oddly comforting. Sharks, pls. Seriously. Its 2024. The hell do you mean "out of memory"? Is 64GB RAM not enough?

[@CrypticFelicity]

Maybe anything outside of the tiny kill radius of a krak could be given a debuff

[@V0Ontis]

We don't really need to invent new components or even reinvent existing ones. Everything this game needs is already in the game. The Kraks, even in their current state, CAN potentially serve a purpose. But as was stated on many occasions, they cannot possibly have less charges than Shreddies. If anything, they need to have one MORE charge than Shreddies. After all, we already have a class/build combo that melts down AD bosses in about ten seconds, and that is Gunlugger. We also have a Oneshot Roflmao Zealot with Stealth+Powermaul. Last but not least we have a gunpsyker with ridiculous damage output during the Gaze. Why not just let the Vet be something similar if he choses to build for boss damage, sacrificing those juicy Shreddies for that very purpose? Likewise, the point of preposterous "+5% damage aura". It is a joke. It needs to have "+10%" at LEAST to be a viable alternative to the Scavenger. So does Psyker's Kinetic Presence. It's also a joke. It needs to be modified to "+15% vs Elites" minimum. And I would actually suggest that Sharks swap the two auras between the Psyker and the Vet, dropping the "+10% all damage" aura into Psyker's left tree while depositing "+15% damage vs Elites" aura into Vet's middle tree. That way Vet will once again be encouraged to ruin priority targets' day with his toolkit, while the Psyker will get a decent static damage up bonus for everyone including himself. Maybe the Brain Burst will actually start killing Mutants for bloody once, because right now it is as worthless as a christian prayer.

[@Torinatorr]

idk about everything. what does the veteran class do at night to relax? what goals or aspirations do they have? all you care about is what veteran does for you and not who they are. Unsubbed. Muted.

[@Wyrmwood_Libraries]

I'll be honest, coming into/back into Darktide, videos like this that break down the "public opinion" and current "research" are fucking indispensable, especially when so much of the information in the game is vague at best, straight up misleading at worst. Helps people like us get back to speed without boring through years of forum posts and changelogs that are more than likely outdated as hell by now.

[@DrNiradino]

1:35:15... It doesn't say "replenish 5% toughness per stack.", but "+5% toughness replenishment per stack", i.e. it boosts everything that replenish toughness other then coherence regeneration. Look at your example yourself: You have a 87 toughness. You kill an elite, and regain it to 118, restoring 31 toughness with confirmed kill. You have maximum of 206 toughness. Confirmed kill regains 10% of your max toughness, meaning that it should regain 20,6 per kill, but with 50% buff from Tunnel Vision, it regains 31 instead. 1:35:56 and if you watch frame by frame here, as I said, you had 43 toughness, and regained it to 63, restoring 20 in a process. It works.

[@TannerLindberg]

you right i was blind

[@clevergoblin1714]

Oh god we're gonna have another re-upload because of you!!

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

There are so many builds I want to do that I'm like "Damn, I wish I had five or ten more levels to do this." Though I switched to krak grenades just to knock out the penance and I really felt not having the horde clear. Like, I felt naked not being able to toss a grenade to knock over a horde and basically having to rely on my actual weapons to deal with shit. Sure, I run the devil's claw or heavy sword now but sheesh.

[@septia101]

I swear I watched this a day or 2 ago then it vanished off my history!

[@itsyaboymarcelluswallace]

U aint crazy he prolly wanted to fix somthing

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Correct, this is a new video, redoing the same topic.

[@donmongoose]

I think a few people pointed out one of the toughness regen perks calculated differently so was more useful than he previously thought. Along with probably tidying up some of this thoughts and how he expressed them.

[@Lionheart40529]

​@@donmongoosenah, the passionate expression of the last one was great.

[@clevergoblin1714]

Dementia. Time to watch it again lol

[@normalrdx]

Suppression's main effect isn't actually your aim bouncing around, what it does is that it causes a massive increase in cone of fire for a second. If you aim for the head at range, there's a good chance you'll miss even if you're aiming dead on. The reason it's not that impactful when fighting against shooters, is because you're most likely still going to land some hits in your wild spray which ends up causing stagger and suppression, which then removes your suppression. However, what it also helps with is melee suppression. Just like removing coherency regen, an enemy attacking you in melee triggers suppression so your shots will start going everywhere. It's obviously not so impactful with full auto weapons, but with single shot weapons other than revolver which has GIGANTIC bullets, it'll make clicking heads practically impossible, or at best luck based. So be aware of this in case Infantry Lasguns eventually become a meta pick. Also as a bonus piece of info, Executioner's Stance and Scrier's Gaze also provide suppression immunity. It's proper fun to combine with a lasgun or laspistol with Ghost, because you get to walk straight into a massive horde of shooters and gunners, executing them one by one.

[@TalonSlav]

Confirmed Kill, Out for Blood, Iron Will, and Shout (golden toughness) will make it so that if all that you're capable of is standing in-front of a mixed horde (ragers, shotgunners, etc) and holding left click with either plasma gun or any weapon that has Fire Frenzy, you aren't going to take health damage until flamers or poxbursters are involved.

[@TalonSlav]

You shouldn't do it. It's a horrible habit. You're wasting way too much ammo to do it all the time. But the fact that it's possible and that I can regularly pull it off on certain Maelstroms is too funny. Fire Frenzy means you're doing so much damage you begin to mow down the entire waves of mutants before they even reach you. It's like an Al Yankovic skit. But REALLY good on the train mission. Graia braced autogun or recon las is my favorite for holding or pushing the corridor singlehandedly. You have so much ammo it offsets the fact you're wasting it, and the mission is short anyways.

[@feezy314]

Hell yeah, "on your toes" is sick imo. Thought i was going crazy seeing people say "always prepared" was the only good weapon master sub node

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

My biggest gripe on krak grenades is vets may sometimes apply focus target to the nearest crusher or bulwark, then i go attack it or basically kill it, then they throw a krak at the one they focus target. It blows my mind.

[@Bzuhl]

Yeah it suffers from the same issue than Brain Bust : if another player focus the same important target with a strong gun or melee weapon it get wasted.

[@josephmitchell5691]

Solution for smoke grenades is simple, just make them the goo grenades from the finals

[@somekindadragon3414]

Tanner, i really enjoy Veteran, it’s probably my main, so your updated deep dive on the Veteran was incredibly welcome. I will be adjusting all my builds and look forward to more optimal play. Thank you!

[@manyrandomnumbers]

I see Determined as a very niche talent for the reasons that you said. Normal suppression isn't that bad. If you are using a high capacity or high fire rate weapon, then you just keep firing and kill the target anyway, even if suppression causes you to miss a headshot. Determined is useful for things like revolver or bolt pistol/precision bolter builds that rely on consistent headshots at medium to long range. In that scenario, the iron sight jiggle can cause you to miss a headshot. You have limited magazine capacity and the build is optimized for weakspot hits, so missed headshots matter. Outside of that niche, Determined gives limited to minimal benefit. P.S.: I am pretty sure that hipfire weapons (plasma gun, braced autoguns, etc.) can actually be surpressed, but the negative impact is minimal because of their larger magazines. You just keep shooting and get the kill anyways.

[@jamespateluniversity]

DarkHexagon: "Muted?"

[@MyRedHulk]

The torch has been passed to a new generation of users

[@DrNiradino]

About "Close and kill": 5% movement speed buff was highly relevant in Vermintide. It was often a difference of ether outrunning the hoard or being forced to fight them. I guess in DT, with maps being much more cramped, and more enemies being able to shoot at you, this isn't as important.

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

I wouldn't really say so. 5% movement speed is nothing on its own, I literally can't even notice a move speed buff below 10% unless I'm actively comparing against someone without that buff.

[@rb98769]

It's valuable in VT because weapons don't affect movement speed (other than movetech) and there aren't many sources of +movement. Plus no sprint. So any source of +movement is very noticeable.

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

Every time I take either of the speed operative modifiers for vet I feel like that old ass clip of keemstar saying “I’m fast as fuck boiii”. Taking both the aura and the node + weapon specialist vet makes playing infiltrate vet feel like you’re a damn commando. You can just be anywhere you want to be. You can bring the power sword and the bolter and you’re still zipping around everywhere.

[@orangejuice9396]

As someone who uses krak grenades a lot, 90% of the time whatever i stuck a nade to gets killed before the nade goes off.

[@TalkingRacoon922]

As a damnation veteran, I will say, I like the power sword’s impact when charged. It especially makes ragers encounters much easier to deal with in melee.

[@nickstor3420]

| honestly feel smoke grenades can be turned into a good crowd-control option like this: - Have it still block los for ranged enemies - Make it incense smoke (bad for chaos stuff) and color it appropriately - Reduce its thickness while inside, so you can actually see out - Make it deal low-to-mid damage, just enough so it can kill a trash mob by itself over its duration - Make it so any enemy (or maybe just trash) that enters it gets stunlocked while the smoke is active. This way, its a longer-lasting (15 sec base, 30sec with grenade tinkerer) almost-wall for trash that allows you to focus on the real threat and maybe even get some use out of those no-enemies-within-8-meters talents.

[@Bundesverfassungsgehirn]

Any enemy would be really op

[@cibrig8719]

Putting my old comment on here before watching and shortening it: Krak also falls behind frag because typically you can kite big guys, since theyre slow af. The chaff can block a dodge making you tank an overhead, or do damage while you're focusing on the admittedly bigger threat. With frags you have weaker big boys while also deleting the chaff that could pose a threat by simply not allowing you to dodge an attack. Also edit about this vid, you're kinda selling me on focus target. I never liked it on principle because it just feels... boring, but the idea of marking a mf and turning them into a toughness restore... That kinda sounds need. Prefer weapon specialist still but that makes the node not completely dead to me now.

[@UnCutMeat1988]

Argument for Krak (and I love frag and know they are better) If you are taking shout ult - going crack saves you one point. You can spend two points to get 3 krak grenades, removing the 'only 2 grenades' issue.

[@YizzTheEunuch]

Now THIS is what I've been waiting for. LET'S GOOOOO

[@sulfurstank5598]

Ive said it before, change the smoke to a tp-III gas grenade that does like 1 tick of damage a second, and applies like 50% britleness.

[@MrsAikahime]

around the 1:13:10 mark, even as a player who uses a controller on Pc (because I am a weirdo too used to console gaming to make the control swap), the ONLY time I've ever noticed suppression affect me in any way was when trying to hit a gunner further away with the speedloading revolver in braced stance. My reticle swayed far to the left, and that single moment was the only time I even realized the mechanic existed for players. As an unrelated aside, the auto-aim changes they made actually makes playing with a controller fairly comfortable. I can generally land shots even on further targets with my boltgun due to the under the hood adjustments to the system. The deadshot node seemed useful on my boltgun and bolt pistol, but I'm just speaking as a casual who never dives into higher difficulties. Even from that view, though, the stamina drained seemed heavy and once in a while messes with me trying to swap to melee and shove (which I can't since no stamina) that second transition got me laughing hard

[@Cassia_Tullius]

Gotta admit, Marksman focus became my guilty pleasure over time, because when i combine it with surgical and deadly accurate on vigilant autogun it makes headshots too satisfying. Tho i'm aware its not meta

[@alexsitaras6508]

The unlimited ammo helbore(surgical+the two crit talents) is quite nice when you see a gun psyker or gun ogryns. Just let them do there thing and you don't have to sacrifice your shooting for it.

[@Halfgnomen]

I see you re-organizing your thoughts.

[@therockontheshelf]

Worth mentioning that because of how percentage rounding works, Always Prepared is crazy good for low magazine weapons. Its great for plasma gun as well because you can always get a shot when you need it without that lengthy reload but especially for stuff like the revolver or double barrel you literally just need 1 kill melee kill then swap to ranged and you have a shot loaded. You can even get a melee kill, swap the swap back without firing instantly, get another melee kill, rinse repeat to refill entire magazine. With double barrel its crazy fun just double blast, get a melee kill swap, swap back melee kill, then swap and boom another double blast

[@silverkingprime2121]

I do like marksman for that extra 20% weakspot damage, it's like competetive urge but consistent and on demand with decent up time depending on special spawn.

[@Xeyron]

Now with 100% less Out of Memory crashes! Also 4.50€ Bone gang rise up.

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

Also also in my experience redirect fire actually does work “additively”, last I messed with it and tested for it. You can do a bunch of 1-stack tags and get to the max amount of bonus damage stacks just handing out.

[@fabianharder185]

Do you know the kuli guides on steam? I learned about him through telopots' cleave video. Apparently he analyzed the darktide code to find out what blessings and skills actually do. Doesnt mean you shouldnt verify his claims, but I doubt that he is just talking nonsense. Also in a recent video (the one with jeficus?) you said you dont care about impact and nobody knows what it does anyway. I dont know to what extent you were joking but there is this j_sat video where he explains stagger, and impact is part of one of the formulas. The video is old, the formula may be outdated, but it might still help in understanding the role of impact.

[@YizzTheEunuch]

I still make use of Deadshot, specifically with the single-shot Vigilant Autogun (previously the Vraks mk XII) and the Boltgun. Deadshot + Duck & Dive + Target Down! = endless stamina regen for a constant 25% crit chance boost when one-shotting specials and elites (which is what my build is supposed to be doing anyway), and since I also don't take Determined the sway reduction helps in those rare cases where I have to land headshots against a wall of gunners. I have to give up Demolition Team with this build, but I haven't noticed much of a drawback as I nearly always have at least 1 shredder available when I need it.

[@TheFlyingslug]

The one thing I *really* love about Infiltrate is that it's a really good tool to give yourself complete and total clearance to engage a priority target. Staring down three snipers? No worry - go into stealth, sprint off, kill them, and then go back into stealth and rejoin your team. Yes, the shout performs a similar role, but if you're about to get shot by a sniper or are actively taking fire from a group of Gunners outside that stagger range and need an immediate "I need EVERYONE to stop attacking me right now" tool, Infiltrate is super fun. Also good for getting behind Beasts of Nurgle or Bulwarks and taking them down that way. Been running it a lot, and while I don't think it's as good as Voice of Command, I think it's pretty damn good. Wish the cooldown was shorter, though.

[@phillipmaciejewski9872]

This type of mechanical breakdown is great, but can you make a sorta play-by-play video showing the synthesis of all this theory-crafting? It’s one thing to know how everything works in theory, it is a whole different beast to apply them in practice when you’re in the thick of it trying to survive. I can pretty regularly complete damnation matches with Ogryn and Zealot but I tend to struggle with Vet and Psyker, primarily due to the low health pool. I can sorta mitigate this by taking an HP curio but then I lose a stamina or toughness curio slot and i think the losses far outweigh the gains.

[@classreductionist]

Can you please dona deep dive into braced autoguns? They are my fav veteran weapon. For example I feel like Longshot is necessary when I eun the agripnaa because the spread of the weapon means I need to maximize headshot damage on long range shots. I need to make sure I kill that gunner with 2 hits bc 2 hits requires 4-5 bullets at 25 meters.

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

With Suppression - the only weapon I actually notice this on that I've tried is the revolver, and mainly on Zealot (does Veteran have some kind of in-built resistance to it?). I'm not great at this game, but I have sometimes found it genuinely impossible to ADS at a gunner shooting me with the revolver because it keeps moving away from where the gunner is and doesn't want to point there.

[@andrewpollard8671]

Thanks for this, itd pretty late where i am now but ill sit and watch the deep dove tomorrow. Watching your vids on the talent trees was how i first started to learn how to actually make builds on darktide and think about how I play.

[@КоньВПальто-е9р]

About suppression immunity. I agree that meta guns don't really need it. However I think some off-meta weapons that fire slowly and headshot oriented might benefit from it. For example, the only place where I pick this talent is bolt pistol build. This gun has a shitty recoil and doesn't forgive you bodyshots. Adding random sway won't help and it doesn't have a fire rate to suppress like columnus (now vraks) or recon do. I still don't regret picking it specifically for this build. I guess other precision guns like helbore and infantry lasgun could also benefit from it but I run exe stance with them, so can't really tell

[@Anonimous37800]

Charismatic also increases Duty&Honor radius so there's that. It's not *complete* garbage but still close.

[@MercutioUK2006]

Thanks for the expanded re-upload. Increased clarity is always good!

[@SigvaldInj2]

wait am I tripping or is this a reupload

[@crazyraccoon8]

We’re stuck on a loop.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

It's a redo of the same topic. Old video seems to be gone.

[@TannerLindberg]

it is i HAD to correct like 2 things badly

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

I want to stick up / argue for infiltrate just a little bit - the speed boost enables a lot of sneaky moves as well as a way to just brute force your way past objective mini games by turning off the very thought of an enemy hitting you. That’s a little selfish, sure, but when the entire event is done WAY faster and nobody is getting knocked of of the ability, it nets out to a positive for the team. You *can* in my experience also drop Overwatch if you’re snagging specialist kills a lot and have the full CDR from your relics. The 30% damage boost also lets you ignore the other two “damage boost on ability use” talent nodes in favor of saving points to use on other stuff. You can build a very mobile multi-role vet with infiltrate that’s ALSO a ton of fun and imo more interesting than shout, even if shout is probably just flat out better. Edit: Plus the stealth helps with long reload times, gives you toughness back in a pinch, and I’ve even used it as a “parry” to make random barrels or even crusher overheads from hurting quite so bad.

[@basedx.]

Even better than the first iteration, good stuff.

[@donmongoose]

Regarding suppression - it seems to vary MASSIVELY depending on the server. Some games it's a complete none issue but in others the second some one pings a bullet my way my crosshair goes nuts and it's impossible to shoot straight.

[@kainlee3883]

It seems to be weapon specific too, infantry lasguns have a terrible time with suppression, but then the recon lasguns barely even care.

[@donmongoose]

@@kainlee3883 It's been a minute since I used an Inf Las but it's certainly noticable on the Bolt Pistol.

[@Tom-fl8eh]

Talking about the veteran on Veteran's Day!

[@hechy3782]

what mod changes your gui fov, I reinstalled after a year and I remembered having the mod but idk which it is now

[@ellie8600]

actually goated for doing this, hoping for a zealot vid next, amazing work

[@ravstar52]

Fun fact: im like 80% sure you can stun a mutie charge with shout. (Either that or i keep frame-1 stunning them out of the grab)

[@Azoruk]

1:25:55 olfactory means things related to smell, Tanner.

[@samuelmuise5633]

seems like close and kill would work better if it worked like a sprint efficiency/stamina curio. idk I don't have a vet in my roster despite 800 hours edit : you mention focus target should be a grenade keystone, while I think fatshark wants to keep accessibility to grenade talents high for whatever build the you want on the vet, you could make focus target the fire team aura at reduced output. something like marked enemies take 10-15% more damage.

[@fynii9478]

On Yer Feet Mates was already bad in Vermintide 2 (I think JTC went as far as to call it the worst skill), I don't even know why it's back in Darktide as Only In Death Does Duty End. In addition to all the downsides you've mentioned, I personally like to know when I'm getting up, someone running this suprises me too much.

[@prich0382]

Is called planning for failure, so it's only used when someone goes down, rather than using it as often as you can to help replenish THP

[@mishQasim]

Charismatic looks good on paper. Not for Auras but for 33% TDR, Shout. But I usually don't have any points left to take this in normal game. But if I support my friends on lower difficulty it helps.

[@GuyMan8383]

I made a post on reddit about how frags are overpowered compared to kraks and they need to be rebalanced and nobody agreed with me and I got a bunch of downvotes so now I feel super vindicated.

[@TannerLindberg]

dude reddit ranked throwing knives as the worst blitz in the game LMAO they are like average level 25

[@RuneR96]

Another note, you mught be sleeping on Focus Target 8 stacks. It might be a UI bug or something, but once you use the 8 stacks, get the kill, and tag the next enemy before the 8 stack buff goes away, it just refreshes. Even if you had 1 or 2 stacks the second time, as long as you kill the enemy before your 8 stack damage buff goes away, it simply gets refreshed. If this works, you can have permanent 20% damage boost to your team, especially on specials spawn. I didn't have time to test, will do when I get home from work today, but I that's what I remember from playing a couple of days ago.

[@prich0382]

Well that sounds like a big if true, so can't rely on it. The stack counter is meant to reset to zero after every tag, taken 10 seconds to reach 5 stacks or 16 seconds to reach 8 Stacks.

[@zacattack32441]

​@@prich0382 he isn't taking about the stacks rocking to ticking up, he is taking about the damage buff it gives the team after you kill something that is marked.

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

Krak's are great for sub 30 geared players when you don't have the skills, and weapons to deal with crushers etc. Noob friendly, but eventually you out grow them. They also teach you how to throw and be precise. Like many skills and gear, once you get to 30 and get reasonably good gear, you out grow it.

[@whinemax]

I don't know if you've talked about this, but I'd love to hear what made you change your behavior in videos and how it's impacted your enjoyment of being a content creator.

[@rara3538]

i mostly use smoke for hacking/defending events and highly intense horde scenarios with specials spawning in. it renders dogs, flamers, trappers (and snipers?) useless, along with any shotgunners and all the ranged units. i think it shines the most when boss and wave spawns at the same time. smoke is like a pseudo bubble shield, it's a pause to everything happening outside melee range. that said i have 1 smoke build, killing everything is still the preferred method but pubs are just pubs

[@Shajirr_]

How to improve the smoke grenades: 1) Make the smoke transparent 2) Any ranged enemies affected by the smoke just leave to get some smokes, may or may not return later

[@elde367]

Thank you Tanner you have saved my life once more

[@АкиЧуд]

Doublebarrel shotgun dont suffer from deadshot at all. But again, does crit douplets worth it?

[@hsiangyuchen4198]

Loving the raywillamjohnson transitions

[@spookini5521]

stellar explanation, very helpful since ive been workin on my vet

[@jasziegl8983]

Have over a thousand hours as veteran and still learning new shit about this game.

[@pyroisapyro8217]

I just wanna point out something that I dont believe you've pointed out yet that I also think make the shredders great in just about every situation: If I am correct and it should still be the case, if thrown at a bosses feet you can just stun them. Not great in every situation, but a useful tool when you really need that room to breath.

[@Stefan-b3q]

Please make this in depth dive for the Ogryn. I know you don t play the class but you cant find these class breakdowns anywhere else.

[@КоньВПальто-е9р]

Tbh, I don't mind that much that infiltrate diverts more enemies on my ass as long the horde will be dying faster. However, whenever I see an infiltrate vet, that person is always bottom dps. Of course there's a pretty small amount of people running this ult to build a reliable sample size. Still, all invis vets I've met were just ensuring that in the game there are 3 players, not 4

[@NotLukeYT]

1:18:44 not having that 10% hurts so much

[@Aalienik]

It really surprise me to hear you rank combat shotgun among the top ranged weapons. Did you mean to say the double-barreled shotgun? If not, I'd be very interested in a video of you going over the combat shotguns. They always feel very underwhelming whenever I try to use them.

[@TannerLindberg]

Did you mean to say the double-barreled shotgun? yes

[@randomguyblank1616]

Ok I learned something, apparently I misread Out for Blood and thought it was just 5% for melee kills...nope I was wrong and never bothered to double check. Holy cow I thought ogryn had some of the most broken, top of the tree, toughness regen talents since the class update but I think I was sleeping on vet the entire time.

[@c32ax1]

If it wasn't for the fact that popcorn messes with my recent dental work I would fix a big bowl and sit down to listen to Tanner walk through the the Vet tree.

[@AkantorCZ]

Twin blast imo should be guaranteed 2 grenades, but with e.g. 30% reduced grenade damage and radius or so.

[@NotLukeYT]

This is so useful information, i love you Tanner!

[@966Ranger]

The only reasonable and selfless way of stealth use that I found while doing penance turned out to be the exact same as with smoke grenades. You see a teammate knocked/in a pickle, you run towards them, F, left click horde for insta suppression AoE then you revive and gtfo together, that's it. So with smoke grenades+stealth you essentially get melee range insta suppression but at this point why not just kill things, and as you like to say in previous videos, why build to lose? Anyway I did it for penance so it wasnt that bad but realistically there's no reason to handicap yourself like that.

[@TheOneTrueStAN]

The suppression, I thought, doesnt just screw up the visuals of aiming, i could have sworn is also affects bullet spread. But that could also just be me misunderstanding whats happening in the chaotic situations where im actually suppressed.

[@SimonMoreal]

I play with a 90 something FOV and suppression fucks me up bad. He's playing with a way higher FOV so it doesn't really affect him much.

[@TannerLindberg]

You should always play tide games with the maximum possible fov darktide removed the fish eye effect by effectively capping the max to right before it starts

[@TannerLindberg]

Tbh that's just a video game law in general. Max fov is always the first thing you change

[@SimonMoreal]

@@TannerLindberg I didn't know that. I've always been worried of the fish eye effect on high FOV after spending an unhealthy amount of time on Payday 2. But now that I know it's capped, I'm gonna max it out first thing when I get into the game.

[@MrHoodlin]

Here's my idea for Twinned Blast: 50% chance to throw an additional grenade. 100% chance to throw an additional grenade if at max capacity. (this will only consume a single Grenade) Thoughts?

[@TinyGreyOwl]

You gonna be at max capacity only at the beginning of a mission. Otherwise you're wasting Demo Stockpile cooldown.

[@Spokenword]

Combat shotgun in the upper tiers? That's quite the shift.

[@TannerLindberg]

I MEANT THE DOUBLE BARREL

[@ChildofEden96]

goated video honestly loved how detailed you were

[@DoctorCataclysm]

Suppression gets worse the closer you are

[@TannerLindberg]

So you NEED to be using low fov you NEED to be using 2 specific guns you NEED to be close to shooters. Wow suppression sure sounds like garbage

[@nikolaflex5749]

Can you do this for Zealot and Psyker pls, these kind of videos help me understand the Game overall much better, and I think make me a (slightly)better player overall. Ty a lot for these kind of video

[@Underground_Owl]

This is exactly what I needed mama Tanner to spoonfeed to me.

[@caecaira437]

34:40 I think, peeps are trying to cheat the title penance. Rarely ever see ppl leave that already have it, even tho it's still a problem.

[@QuebecTwo]

Great video mate. Thanks mate, take it easy.

[@skarpur13]

In the weapons list, you don't recommend the Infantry Autogun Mk V anymore? Is the Recon lasgun completely overshadowing it in this fast fire category?

[@NotLukeYT]

52:08 when i first learned this i was about more than 1000 hours 🤡 and also the only scenario i think its useful is for Ogryns Loyal Protector and Psyker Bubble Shield

[@MothsAreEternal]

I will miss your impulsive and expressive side, but thank you anyway

[@TannerLindberg]

That comes out on streams

[@Shajirr_]

Even when you don't play the game is still bugged as fuck - crashes with OOM error just chilling in the skilltree section, and doesn't save the skilltree changes.

[@gamorka]

Why first one was deleted?

[@Artorias93]

Probably because of small errors like the one with out for blood

[@TannerLindberg]

@@Artorias93 yeah i made the age old mistake of believing people with out verifying my self

[@MisterEtide]

@@TannerLindberghahaha you FOOL

[@robertchristman8462]

Been playing damntion with a friend as a duo (quick play, not true duo) and getting interested in stepping up to Auric &/or Maelstrom Stumbled onto this video (thanks algorithm) & it's full of stuff that makes sense but I've never had the chance/ skill to figure out on my own

[@johntoner9550]

I know this is off-topic, but first off love all your videos really helpful, but since they changed Talents for the psyker in your opinion do you still think gun psyker is one of the better builds

[@jacksonhinkle5765]

Yeah, smokes are in a pretty bad place right now. If I were to rework them, I’d make them also reduce the damage of any ranged attacks going through them, or maybe slow enemies that pass through the smoke, so that they have actual utility.

[@funeralfart7582]

One thought I had to make Smokes not suck: what if they outlined all significant targets within the AoE? It's hilariously bad because it negatively impacts the team in much the same way that it effects enemies, but making target acquisition next to impossible. What if it did the opposite for the team?

[@brahbrah]

How should I be using grenades? I'm a newer player and mostly use it against hordes or packs of specials. However, I find when things get really overwhelming it's hard for me to find a moment to switch to grenades and throw them while I'm getting swarmed. What's the strategy normally?

[@gebsjr]

Thanks for helping with my research paper 😂

[@nikolasskog9396]

Yo know this is kind of rude, but judging by the wording of tunnel vision it seems to increase the toughness you replenish overall by the percentage of EDIT: this is simply a theory, have not tested

[@michaelkolano8686]

If kraks had a base 3 carry count would they be on par with shredders? You could potentially start chucking them at dense groups or rager congas

[@TannerLindberg]

No they wouldn't be close to shredders but they would be significantly better

[@michaelkolano8686]

@TannerLindberg I think it would have to be one of the two buffs it gets at least. The other being blast radius, or maybe even more damage(lmao) or something else