I Was Wrong - I Don't Understand GTA 5's Story

[@DarkViperAU]

Gotcha! This video was long overdue, wrote it months ago, but only recently had the energy to make it. As an aside to the video, surely the police must have had some idea what Trevor looked like even if just from the description given by the woman he used as a shield in prologue and the police who saw his face as they fought and chased him. Trevor also references Michael as having 'blown the identities' that caused him to lose his millions he had stored under those names; we are not told explicitly how much information Michael may have given Dave and therefore the FIB about Trevor. Regardless of the specifics, law enforcement clearly knew things about Trevor and some of what he had been up to over his 10+ year crime spree which was part of the reason Trevor was hiding off the grid. It just isn't shown or said explicitly that they had a clear picture of his face and their having such would mean the story would require a lot more suspension of disbelief to accept.

[@SomeUsernameSomeoneElseTookIt]

you sure got me

[@aleksibackman7994]

video was upload 3min ago, how is matto comment 2 hours ago?? TIME TRAVEL!!!

[@lurka1337]

Amazing work mate, I struggle to watch your chaos series... It's fun but I love your more edited stuff like this or the speedruns and the pacifist run, amazing

[@TheEvilStranger]

​@@aleksibackman7994 video was uploaded but probably unlisted. He made the necessary changes to the pinned conment and then finally released the final product

[@welheizel9682]

Dave catfishing trevor as brad is probably indication that Dave (maybe also the ''good type of Corrupt'' division of the FIB ) still had eyes on Trevor for all those years

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

I love how nobody thinks the bank manager pauses because it's an outdated photo and he's trying to figure out if that's the same guy

[@Fabi_W]

This. Just an outdated photo nothing else.

[@welheizel9682]

it's what everyone thought until the ''he is the same guy from prologue'' thing started, trevor did a ton of meth, it heavely changes what a person looks like (( Tho Steve haines joined FIB as Dave's Superior after the events of Casing The Jewel Store))

[@Jcarvell]

Exactly, in the ID trev has a mustache and a ton of hair but when the bank manager sees him he doesn't. It will take the manager a min to link an old photo to a face

[@AURORAFIELDS]

People look at me for 15 seconds puzzled all the time when I buy alcohol and have to show my ID to them. It's because I don't look the same as when the photo for the ID was taken. Should I assume they recognize me from 5 years ago because they look confused for a brief moment while studying my ID? Has anyone who takes the pause as some kind of evidence ever had anyone look at their ID and had a momentary "dramatic pause" or a puzzled look on their face? This seems like a non-issue in the first place lol

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

@@AURORAFIELDS I get this all the time because I took my ID picture before making some radical changes to my appearance over the past year because I thought it looked better. Now anytime I have to show my ID I have to wait while they stare at me.

[@anatonixerrors6537]

The pause is for tension. The UD heist is meant to be the biggest ever, so having a pause when they are being checked and a moment when the manager might have questioned Trevor or turned them away or sounded the alarm is there by design. The manager is unsure and careful which is pretty understandable for a bank

[@MariusBoss11458]

Plus that photo was old af which is why he paused.

[@damaxion5129]

its cause trevor doenst look like his photo so he was deciding wether it was him

[@badluck7286]

@@damaxion5129 He can look like he does on the photo, just 2 visits to the barbers

[@damaxion5129]

@@badluck7286 cannonicly

[@badluck7286]

@@damaxion5129 fair

[@LFPman]

So this is basically, when English teachers ACTUALLY over-analyse a scene

[@damanonyoutube69]

And their right!...

[@drifzy67]

one day we were watching a quern Elizabeth memorial in english class and the teacher was pausing every 3 seconds like "oh and how do you pronounce this word?" "what is this called" etc. i was like "wtf"

[@TommyTank22]

He has blue curtains to symbolise his depressive feeling and makes the rest of the room amplify his thoughts. Or his curtains are just fucking blue mate

[@yobrethren]

This bitch pretty accurate though

[@Cyann33andaThird]

​@@TommyTank22 why would they mention it if it means nothing?

[@mattie2695]

Tbh, I always thought the pause was for comedic effect. Considering the fact Trevor's fake name is a typically Latin American name and Trevor is very clearly not, and the fact the old photo shows a mustache that Trevor, very obviously, no longer has. It was just a gag to up the tension in the scene only for the bank manager to be stupid enough to fall for Trevor's shoddy ID.

[@40088922]

I find it amazing how Rockstar Games' players like to overthink the most minute details to the point of absurdity, even if it makes no sense in any form, not in an easter egg hunt type of way, but just focusing on the wrong things type of way. it was like this with Big Foot in GTASA, Gary being a werewolf in Bully and Mount Chiliad in GTA5, among some others such occurrences in other games

[@cynicalia]

What no gta6 does to a community

[@TheB00tyWarrior]

RDR2 community is guilty of this to the highest degree.

[@thegrayyernaut]

@@TheB00tyWarrior They think there's a second traitor in the Van der Linde gang xD

[@carbonrobin]

@@thegrayyernautthey also think uncle is red Harlow

[@senqui]

I thought you would finally admit Michael was in witness protection

[@portalslayer3002]

he would never

[@qBeYcarpet]

Witness protection for what? No one was convicted of anything. Brad was dead, Michael was apparently dead, according to the FIB, and Trevor runs away. Why would Michael be in witness protection?

[@DiegoBanger208]

It's totally impossible for that to happen

[@xhongi3390]

Same

[@Adam_X78]

Witness protection for what?! No one was convicted of anything!!

[@JoCaTen]

I'm guessing the pause while checking the ID was nothing but trying to match the picture to the person as Trevor's picture was very different compared to the others.

[@Jack_idk_]

That and to build suspense for the player

[@Khaisz.]

Yeah, its the exact same reason cashairs at the liquor store used to look twice at my ID when I had a full beard and the ID had no beard at all

[@alyskyatsushiro4718]

I think the pause the manager made was meant to be a joke by Rockstar that jokes about how scary Trevor looks, in the photo and in real life. In contrast to the tense situation the crew was in.

[@Wcduc]

Also based on how much of a trainwreck Trevor looks like. Using all kinds of drugs and producing crystal meth in a kitchen where he also eats food from without any protection.

[@DRAGONFLAIR2008]

The others .....yeah I guess Brad looks a little different

[@VRSVic]

Having the fake ID photo not matching the face is also a very common film trope. Specially with Trevor as the "comedy" character

[@thescruffinator8830]

McLovin

[@tuthuihfthjgfyh1922]

​@@thescruffinator8830 mclovins face was on the ID though

[@liammurphy2022]

Trevor as the comedy character🤦🏻‍♂️😂 not like the psychopathic murderer

[@liammurphy2022]

@videoplayback_ did you know Lamar and Franklin and Jimmy exist they are the comical ones Trevor is the psychotic cannibal murderer character michael is the bank robber turned family man character

[@braydo525]

@@liammurphy2022trevor is the funnest character without a doubt

[@bigbangaries]

I love how easy it is to destroy this theory just by having a basic understanding of game development and storytelling

[@toaster6701]

The real question is why did Michael keep the same first name Like yeah changing the last name makes it harder to be found And Michael is a common name but, Trevor always remembered Michael If Michael didn’t wanna get found by Trevor why didn’t he just change his first name to something else

[@262thunder7]

Because if he changed his first name it would cause a whole bunch of unnecessary confusion. Plus, he didn't foresee that Trevor would find him, so there was no real need from his point of view.

[@frecio231]

Apparently it's not that uncommon to keep the same name, as that's how people usually refer to you, therefore it's easier to answer when someone kalls you by name.

[@toaster6701]

@@frecio231 yea but michael was on the run and had to get a new identity

[@frecio231]

@toaster6701 remember he's pretending to be in witness protection (or if you want to ignore the facts he's in it) so he has to be consistent with it. Another thing is that he was in his 30's when he started it, so in his mind when they call "Michael" is him, so changing it to, let's say "Fred", would be hard to do.

[@toaster6701]

@@frecio231 yea the witness protection part does seem realistic That dam witness protection got me

[@ClownPuncher139]

The pause while looking at a photo is exactly what security people do when determining if the ID is legit. I was at the airport YESTERDAY and TSA needed to take a moment to verify my ID because the photo is 4 years old and I’ve since grown out a beard. The exact same thing happened to Trevor. The manager isn’t just staring at Trevor in fear, he’s switching his view between Trevor and the photo to make sure they’re the same. It’s a very common practice in literally every security scenario.

[@thebananagamer56]

Hey, it's you.

[@loC2ol]

Yeah this whole thing is so weird like have any of those people traveled before like ever? Probably mostly kids who think it anyway. He’s clearly just checking his ID. Why reading into that one thing so much?

[@Lead7170]

nah man i think they were looking at you in fear because you robbed a bank and we all know that

[@austinsavage5962]

Its just a joke really look closely at trevors name on the card the guy is probably just thinking he doesnt really look like a diego

[@offcialaa2progamr]

Nah, i think they just remembered you doing something horrible to them 4 years ago

[@koolaid33]

To be completely honest, the bank manager could've just paused when he noticed the ID was expired by four years. Then it's just a decision of if he should let the guy take the money & tell him he needs to renew his ID, or if he shouldn't tell him to renew his ID. He didn't tell him to renew his ID.

[@TheDiner50]

Hold up a moment. First of Rock star Take 2 ect are just awful. So do not give them credit over nothing. Second. This is the bank manager about to have highly trusted/secure guards move how much gold? The bank managers job in this situation is to step in have roast the guards ass over not having ID's that are valid. Since the bank manager do not say anything and we know Rockstar are awful pre and post GTA 5 online. The date and photo are just low effort reuse. There is NO way intentionally crated with care and effort. It was done just good enough. And it really dose not matter. Since no matter what it had probably no impact why the bank manager stopped for a moment. It is Trevor he is not the kind of person you mess with or expect to be moving gold. Idk the bank manager clearly did not expect anything like a robbery. And the hole thing is just for tension and Trevor really is the kind of person to do a secound take on.

[@gibleyman]

@@TheDiner50 You went pretty hard on the "I hate Rockstar, AAAAAA" part for seemingly no reason, entertaining stuff.

[@davedarius7346]

@@TheDiner50 Rockstar Games is the best, deal with it!!!!

[@PliskinYT]

@@TheDiner50 He probably wanted to get the gold out as fast as possible so it's no longer his problem, once it's out of his vault it ain't his problem anymore

[@thatemocat]

@@TheDiner50 coping lol

[@meliodasD2]

matt what about at the end of the mission Derailed when Trevor tells Michael he couldn't access his money because their covers had been blown after the Ludendorff heist 3:14

[@FraserSouris]

Matt mentions this in one of his other videos. The exact quote was something like “you blew the identities. I lost access to my millions”. Presumably to sell the fact that the Micheal was dead, Micheal probably also told Dave all his fake identities so Dave could “legally confiscate them” to maintain the lie. Which ended up screwing Trevor.

[@faizmohd4598]

I mean if I was the manager of the Union depositary and some guy showed me his id in which he looks nothing like him and his I'd expired in 2009 and the game is in 2013 9:31 and ROCKSTAR did that pause to built suspense for the player that they have been caught.

[@mcalkis5771]

Didn't expect this to become a series, but I'll always gladly listen to Matt ramble about GTA lore.

[@cyprezz_]

i literally said he was wrong last night lmfao weird timing that he uploaded this now 😅

[@Balotovi]

I'm excited for the next part debunking whether or not the bank manager is the female hostage from prologue! :)

[@ryantalley5284]

Hasn't he been saying he's wanted to make a series out of rambling about gta lore for like 3 years?

[@Syorbic]

@@cyprezz_ wrong about what?

[@helicopterk3n708]

Same

[@herredward9277]

Man, I didn't realise how much I needed the bearded Australian GTA man to explain the lore of GTA5, but I think I need a whole series of this.

[@BillyBenbucko]

He’s from New Zealand

[@elgallokriki2105]

@@BillyBenbucko he's from australia

[@Crunch630]

@@elgallokriki2105 If he's from Australia, he's got a shocking dialect from watching way too much American media.

[@ryanb01]

Thought he was English lol

[@jeromevaleska2014]

He should explain why Michael was in witness protection the whole time.

[@SaltyRocksPew]

I think the ID pause was just him making sure the younger trevor is the same guy as the older trevor. They do look pretty different.

[@matthewlacey4198]

Also, the name says Diego Santiago, Trevor doesn't look the least bit Latino/Hispanic (delete as appropriate), so it's a combo of a few things An unlikely name And an outdated photo

[@kirby1225]

@@matthewlacey4198 Trevor is Canadian. So yeah it doesn't make sense to have a Hispanic name.

[@jimmyjones7739]

@@kirby1225 Canadians can have Hispanic names

[@cutthatcoconut9018]

​@Jimmy Jones yes, but it's still strange

[@honxq1428]

5:30 also the original plan was for the car to drive over the train tracks like normal, and that Dave would kill Trevor by sniping him out of the car. So if that was the plan and later somehow learned that they crashed, he had to have gone to the crash site (The crew had probably already started walking at this point) and had to walk back. So it most certainly wasn’t Dave that took the picture.

[@The23rdGamer]

Thank you for your well-articulated, detailed write ups. I appreciate that you're willing to say "the community is reading too far into this" because that's something most creators are simply unwilling to admit.

[@cerjmedia]

Imaging having such a foundational story defining plot point as something that half the playerbase would miss just by not choosing that heist option.

[@justdanceparadisearchive3888]

To be fair that does sound like Rockstar.

[@kingtiger3390]

If it was true it wouldn't be much more than an interesting easter egg, don't know where you pulled that from.

[@PalladinPoker]

Like how choosing Deal makes you miss the more logical and cathartic ending sequence in GTA IV?

[@enbybeanie666]

tbf almost no one chooses the other option, i play this game since 2017 and i only chose the other option this year lol

[@Andrew_H43]

@@enbybeanie666plenty of people choose the other option. Its better for money since you dont need a hacker

[@RandomInternetStranger]

My proposed scenario for why the guy pauses when seeing Trevor's ID is that he realized the oddity of his looks and was uneasy because of it, but in the ensuing ride up the elevator, was put at ease. This is because right before the elevator opens, you can see him profusely nodding, which could be taken as a sign that he realizes the situation is okay and there isn't anything to fear. For the rest of the time that the gang is inside, he seems perfectly calm, suggesting that after realizing the situation was okay, he proceeded to do his job as normal.

[@shopnil4]

As someone who sells alcohol and tobacco to people at a store, pausing when checking someone's ID doesn't mean I've met them before lol

[@palmbearoftexas2007]

Exactly. I can’t imagine GTA Guru being able to rebuttal this highly complete long argument that it wasn’t the same guy.

[@GtaGuruYT]

😂 kinda different circumstances you’re checking the age on the card before selling. I gave a background as to why that contributed to his pause

[@GtaGuruYT]

@@palmbearoftexas2007ark viper has what 10000 hours on gtaV ?, and is much more experienced creator, apart from all that he’s a very thorough and intelligent guy, so naturally his argument would be compelling. Also I agree he’s sufficiently shot some holes in my response video (which never meant to be conclusive rather open up the possibility). However even he admitted in my comments that he had no evidence on whom or how merryweather was called whereas my argument gave a solid reason for it being the BM. I’m not sure about a rebuttal, I said what I wanted to say in my original response. I admit there are some points I like to raise but darkviper is adamant it wasn’t him and I was mainly encouraging people to be open minded and consider it, something he’s not remotely interested in 😂. Not everything I mentioned was discussed here, if u are curious I suggest watching my video (linked in his description) and form your own opinion on it.

[@brainman67]

not just the age but the type of ID whether or not it has expired or if the person is the same on the ID @@GtaGuruYT

[@damntrain5145]

Or does it? *Vsauce music starts playing*

[@BlazionFire16]

Another argument about the bank manager being calm is that the manager didn't know it was a robbery. During the stealth option, there's no reason for it to be flagged as a robbery (from the npc perspective). As stated in the mission, the trucks were there to pick up the gold in the first place. They just hijacked the trucks to carry out with their plan. It was only discovered to be a robbery when Merryweather caught them under the bridge. So up until that point, it was just a routine pick-up

[@Average_Story_Mode_Player]

Bro I was worried it was about witness protection.

[@convict3]

I can't explain how much I enjoyed this video, the way you collect, present and explain your evidence is just flawless. I also love that you don't just stop when you've won, you make sure you've explored every angle, covered every weakness in your argument, countering any futile effort which the opposition might come up with.

[@qui-gonsgin8747]

Right, Matt is simply superior when it comes to research, argumentation and presentation compared to most other Content Creators of this platform.

[@hazel-vf7on]

Due to the nature of human beings, someone will find a way to counter-argue even if it's very far fetched. People tend to fight each other over differences like those simply from disliking the person in question. But I, too, love how Viper displays information.

[@gibleyman]

I mean, might as well beat up the dead horse as much as you like when the argument you're disproving is a pretty stupid one.

[@alyskyatsushiro4718]

I think the pause the manager made was meant to be a joke by Rockstar that jokes about how scary Trevor looks, in the photo and in real life. In contrast to the tense situation the crew was in.

[@TheFunnyDictator]

Hey, what anime character is in your profile picture?

[@bungiecrimes7247]

@@TheFunnyDictator what anime character is in your pfp? 🤨📸

[@MariusBoss11458]

​@@bungiecrimes7247Looks like Hitler

[@gibleyman]

@@TheFunnyDictator When the Fuhrer is sus

[@alyskyatsushiro4718]

@@TheFunnyDictator Asashimo, from Kantai Collection. What anime character is it in your picture?

[@beachwind7274]

Never realised Norm Richards left his wife and children to follow a life of crime because he saw Michael Townley die on the news, that's kind of sad.

[@NoFlu]

Can't wait for the next video, about the farmer woman from prologue being the bank manager, as she's the one that actually saw Trevor's face....

[@Ckema]

Man, videos of you talking and explaining thing about gta 5 story are just so relaxing to me for some reason, I've watched this video three times already and somehow didn't get bored even slightly every time. I don't know if you're gonna do any video like that in the future, but if you do I'll be here for it.

[@waltuhwhite1234]

Darviperau Is like the best explainer ever

[@LordChevonlier]

I think if Rockstar meant for us to know it was the same character, they'd make it pretty obvious. It would've been pretty funny if the manager mentioned casually he was a hostage years ago without knowing he was in an elevator with the same people lol

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

The fact that anybody thinks the writers would be any more subtle than this is hilarious honestly.

[@danielaviladeoliveirasilva1872]

Also, he'd either be taken hostage AGAIN or nearly have been. I really don't see what would be the point of implying this dude moved across the country and happened to stumble upon the same criminal which everyone thought was dead.

[@16Craigory]

the hostage thing would've been cool as hell

[@redpill2634]

I remember doing this approach for the first time, and the pause was exactly that, for building a suspension, I felt that and it was amazing.

[@JustAFridge420]

I always thought the manager was looking funny at Trevor because his ID says his name is Diego, meanwhile he doesn't look one bit Hispanic

[@zoroasper9759]

Also he's got a mustache and a mullet which is a possible customization that trevor can have in-game but not everyone will have it Also he's 9 years (of constant drug abuse and unhealthy lifestyle) older compared to the picture

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Diego is not a Mexican name, there are of course people in Mexico called Diego but it's not Mexican, it's Spanish and is therefore popular among the Spanish and Portuguese speaking worlds.

[@dogepan32]

@@Alex-cw3rz Of course, but the game takes place in LA, where there are lots of people of Mexican descent (or Mexican immigrants for that matter) so most people called Diego, from pure chance, are likely Mexican

[@pedinhuh16]

@@Alex-cw3rz Trevor doesn't look portuguese or spanish either.

[@JustAFridge420]

@@Alex-cw3rz Thanks for the info! Changed it to be more fitting

[@iamerror1699]

POV: You were kidnapped and crazy man is explaining GTA lore to you

[@zoroasper9759]

There's something incredibly amusing about when people end up with a wrong conclusion and they literally grasp at the weirdest straws to make it work

[@siradof]

It's a unique ID. The suspenseful pause is the bank manager carefully studying the old photograph of the man before him, comparing it to his current appearance.

[@knightofthenight3420]

I would argue that the reason why the manager hesitates when seeing Trevor's ID is because it features Trevor with a moustache and longer hair, which Trevor does not have in the video, so he wanted to make sure that Trevor is the same man on the ID. However, you can change Trevor's hair, so he resembles the picture on the ID, but then there's no explanation, but the suspense built up. Or maybe R* instead for Trevor to be with "stock" hair.

[@gibleyman]

OR..... you know just hear me out, maybe.... just maybe because Trevor looks like that one creepy ass scary uncle but cranked up to 11 no matter what hair you put on him.

[@knightofthenight3420]

@@gibleyman fair argument

[@vincentcordi]

He just hesitates to the photo being dated not the hair and mustache speculum Since you can basically make Trevor have the long hair and a mustache, and he will still hesitate

[@NoFlu]

​@@gibleymanEspecially in an environment where you are about to hand hundreds of millions in gold over to them lol

[@breadymold3206]

​@@gibleyman both

[@dustbegone]

6:03 love when my favorite character from Gravity Falls gets named

[@petersomogyi3280]

6:07 that building probably isn't really in Los Santos because after you create your online character, he is flown in from somewhere else

[@flynnbop]

Love these type of videos you make

[@jaffa3717]

I always imagined that the reason the UD manager hesitates when looking at Trevor's ID because it looked a bit fake (because it was), especially since his name was something like Diego Santiago even though Trevor has an obvious Canadian accent. He also has long hair and mustache in the ID photo, but doesn't in person during the heist. So it probably just took the manager a little longer to be convinced by the ID, which is perfectly natural. Also it's just so the scene has a little more tension in it or something

[@Eightsixseven23224]

I always just figured it was a joke about how the player customization can make Trevor look WAY different from the prolouge photo

[@melinuevaera]

11:58 THANK U.. somebody finally said it

[@colinflanagan2261]

I think the pause is just him realizing how stupid the name and picture look

[@MisterAnonymous1000]

I remember seeing the original short that made this theory. I said at the time that they were reading too far into something that didn't have much meaning beyond providing some dramatic tension. I'm actually glad you're clearing this up.

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

One thing that isn’t even pointed out is how the ears are completely different. Ears are a well defining feature that is unique to a person just like finger prints- it is highly unlikely if the writers did want them to be the same, they would’ve made a close up of the person to show similarities, the ears would’ve been defined in each encounter to show they were meant to be the same person. This also could give cadence to them not reusing the model at all.

[@DNBDANANDOSU727]

2021: micheal is not in witness protection 2023: the bank manager dosent remembers trevor

[@inging421]

16:17 this video could have been 15 seconds long lmao

[@q_berrt]

I was about to comment that 😂

[@vivekgole4981]

2:45 its called drug observation agency (DOA) in the game instead of dea

[@NotHyperion]

Rockstar : lmao let's add a dramatic pause for extra suspense The community : okay so this dramatic pause is actually the bank manager recognizing trevor because he is actually the same one as the one in prolo-

[@bungiecrimes7247]

Bravo Rince Silligan

[@carminemartino1197]

I love this lore videos so much, Matt please do more of them

[@CptLumpus]

This "I wish you all the best" really felt like a mic drop.

[@baaaser_yt2820]

Funfact: The Town in which the GTA V intro starts is named "Lufendorff". Adolf Hitler had plans to rename the city of "Leningrad", the Russian city St. Petersburg, to "Ludendorff", inspired by the german general "Erich Ludendorff". This is a parody to the city of Bismarck but the coincidence of a cold snowy town being named "Ludendorff" is quiete funny.

[@MilkDrinker218]

I know this is a pretty old video, but I’d like to throw my hat in the ring. In the episode “Escape” from Thomas The Tank Engine, Douglas, one of the Scottish twins, helps another engine, Oliver, escape from being scrapped on the other railway. His crew helps Oliver’s crew forge documents saying that Oliver had been purchased by Douglas’ railway and was being taken away to be scrapped on the island of Sodor. They get flagged and stopped just as they’re about to leave the yards. The yard manager demands to see the paperwork because he senses something's off, and even says so, but after inspecting the forged documents, he declares that everything is in order and sends them on their way. As you mentioned, a dramatic pause while checking an ID or documents is a common trope to give drama and tension, and I think the fact that a children's TV Show from the 80's-90's proves that the pause in GTA's final heist is nothing more than that; a pause to give dramatic effect.

[@XAlmeidaPT]

Maybe the bank manager hesitated and looked weird while looking at the ID because it was expired? I'm pretty sure anyone would find that weird worthy of a small pause but since the bank manager is incompetent enough he simply ignores it.

[@mp.9357]

Had us in the first second ngl

[@thegamingoutlaw7349]

Honestly i feel like if anything a more plausible canon reason for the pause would be he took a longer pause looking at trevors id is because of the differences in the older photo would make it so he had to look a bit closer to check it matched. Though lets be real it almost certainly is just for dramatic effect

[@hsart442]

The mic drop at the end was crazy💀

[@oscarmeow5348]

This is literally the "dark hair, beard, male this is matto" meme but for random side characters in a 10 year old game

[@jacob5169]

At this point it's more likely that the bank manager recognized Trevor because he's actually a really big fan of Fame or Shame and happened to see Trevor on the show a while back. The reason why he doesn't bring it up is because Trevor's face is hard to identify and the manager doesn't want to embarrass himself if it turned out that Trevor wasn't on the show.

[@ChaseLOL]

Theory: the guy is the same guy that Trevor tried to rob on his first score where he got caught

[@kyrussct]

From my very first playthrough to now, I just assumed that the manager paused because he was surprised of how different Trevor looked from his ID card 😂

[@perrypumpkin]

The MOST is willing to believe, is that he saw the green and yellow snow jacket, and had a flashback.

[@proyhoyhoy]

Or the smell😂

[@capitalism5527]

The union depository manager is clearly jaspers(the guard from prologue) how did no one understand this

[@sasypan3761]

Jaspers never dies !

[@desmondberger45]

16:35 what I believe. Everyone’s in witness protection

[@GtaGuruYT]

Whoa, DarkViperAU delivered on his promise to make a response video (to my response video 😂) and came out with the hard facts, top stuff. I made my video with the sole intention of getting people to see some merit in the possibility that the Bank Manager was in the prologue, and so that they may not feel like complete fools. Based on some evidence I could find, and creativity I shared my thoughts on it. DarkViper to his credit didn't dismiss it entirely and wrote his own thoughts, which had led to this. I am grateful for this, it's what the internet and social media should be used for, exchanging ideas and opinions and offering constructive criticism with mutual respect. Am I 100% convinced that he wasn't in Prologue? no, is it extremely unlikely? admittedly, yes. Why? well given what's presented to the player (without going into code/ player models/ mods) he does look similar (imho), despite your claim at the end he has blue eyes, whereas a bit earlier in the video that's not clear. Regardless, the rest of your video sufficiently disputes my claims. The photo doesn't appear to be canon, it's location isn't convenient for my argument 😂, I didn't catch that on my edit lol. Also, in hindsight it seems strange that even if their ID was known to the police (directly after the robbery), why would they show the employees, they didn't see their faces lol, i.e. is this the guy ? kinda pointless. So let's agree that "if" the bank manager was in prologue, he didn't know Trevor's face, and move forward. The pause is likely a combination of them arriving late (to the pick-up) and the BM noticing obvious issues with Trevors ID, or indeed just for dramatic effect. My opinion is that the BM suspected something was off there, then the conversation that followed was him substantiating his suspicions of them. As I mentioned in my video he reached a point where he'd been robbed and then raised the alarm (to MerryWeather) when safe to do so. Yeah Casey hmm, tbh he couldn't really keep him at the bank without them realising what was going on, admittedly that's a bit of a stretch. I'm happy to move on, but I would still like to know, if he didn't realise he was being robbed, who then tipped off Merryweather? , and who's the BM talking to when he's saying "cargo arrived", and "cargo is gone". Anyway, as always, great work man 👍

[@austinsavage5962]

Cargo arrived and cargo is gone is very common with banks in real life people like to know where the money is and when it left he was definitely talking to a higher up

[@BeverageOfSorts]

And Mattos claim of "this is NOT how humans function" doesn't apply 100% if the BM IS IN THE PROLOGUE. Man experienced that traumatic prolgue bank heist so another wouldn't be as traumatic. Most prob was a story they intended to incorporate fully but got budget cut

[@GtaGuruYT]

@@BeverageOfSorts Agreed, with rockstars keen attention to detail, I wouldn't be surprised if they did try to make that connection. Hence why I was inclined to think that way. Matto rightfully says if the BM came face to face with a homicidal killer ie trevor, he wouldn't act calmly. I do get his point here, however I counter that that employee got robbed, wasn't witness to the rest, so wouldn't be as traumatised as DV makes it out to be. Of course this is my opinion on it. Also, even if he wasn't in Prologue, I still think he would've acted calmly, because it would've taken him time to realise what was going on, and in that circumstance had zero idea of trevors true capability. It would've been your regular bank robbery that he would be trained to cope with.

[@stegi9315]

@@BeverageOfSorts Sometimes you can just remember a person by his or her eyes especially during such traumatic circumstances. But hey, that’s just a Theory…

[@pugachevskobra5636]

The bank manager being harmed by Trevor all those years ago isn’t necessary to induce fear and panic in him upon seeing Trevor’s face; the fact that a notorious bank robber he bumped into at gunpoint years ago during a robbery, who initiated a massive shootout with law enforcement in an attempt to escape with the haul that saw him killing multiple people is standing in front of him 9-10 years later is enough to cause that reaction, especially if his reaction is literally the lynchpin of your entire argument. The following conversations and interactions between the bank manager and Trevor and Co doesn’t even remotely hint at any nervousness, fear or trepidation on his part, which is awfully strange for someone who reacted so strongly to a shitty photo.

[@The1971Cuda1]

I love these kinds of videos, just you asserting your infinite wisdom regarding GTA5 lore. I love videos people go way in depth on lore in these games XD

[@Radiodonta]

its obvious that the pause is to make people think "oh shit, he knows" its just for suspense

[@rabbitspirit5202]

Matt I'm glad you finally grew as a person and admitted that Michael is in witness protection. As someone who's been with your community for years now. That one claim always disturbed me, but now you've grown past that dark part of your history and we can all move on. Love you Matto!!!

[@Cokbot]

it's simply because the bank manager is high class and trevor comes in with hand and neck tattoos, the scars and cuts on the face, the clear drug use. I think the pause is more disbelief than anything else. Not to mention the picture on the ID has none of those along with the severe aging that trevor has had

[@flatrabbit6983]

5:45 Dave might have hired someone else to make sure Michael plan went well. Even if dave couldn’t kill Trevor they would have a photo to show to witnesses

[@flatrabbit6983]

Also when your online character is made soon after you go on a plane perhaps… from north Yankton

[@GtaGuruYT]

Could be 😜

[@mee6v156]

5:18 what if the woman that Trevor grabs when he tries to escape the shootout took the photo?

[@FraserSouris]

There was no other person there at the moment to take the photo tho

[@zNoxius]

The second hostage on the floor is called Kennett, and he appears discussing with Simeon on Complications

[@Chicken_sandwich52]

It's just another generic npc model

[@forehand101]

I always assume he stopped to look at Trevor's ID because of that ridiculous mullet and handlebar stash lol.

[@TheScavv]

Oh silly Matto, you messed up again! It's actually the security guard that Trevor shoots in the head in prologue that later becomes the bank manager. Guess you'll have to make another video :/

[@abdullah__--]

I think the reason why the bank manager stops and stares at Trevor is to relate the picture to Trevor since it's a photo from nine years ago and it looks a bit different, and the reason why is Trevor using that picture is maybe because Lister didn't find any other photo of Trevor to fake the ID with.

[@nathanmarshall745]

Both Trevor and Lester use LifeInvader though and to quote Trevor on one of the Series A setups "I like a selfie as much as the next guy but..."

[@_wanted_outlaw3007]

​@@nathanmarshall745maybe that's why he uses a old photo for the ID, because he still looks similar but it would be less recognizable if the police got a hold of it they would think the robber just took some photo of an old dead bank robber and used it as an ID.

[@abdullah__--]

@@nathanmarshall745 Didn't thought of that... thanks for saying that, but tbh the photos Trevor takes aren't really the kind to put on a high security national banks' IDs

[@abdullah__--]

@@_wanted_outlaw3007 If that's the case than why did he used a new photo for mike

[@_wanted_outlaw3007]

@@abdullah__-- there probably is no old photos of Mike, Trevor was the original Target for Dave not Mike dave missed and hit Brad, if there was a photo of Mike and they saw Brad in the casket they might put two and two together and figure out that Michael one of the best bank robberies ever is still alive.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Great watch as always 👊🏿. I do feel like with all these theory videos no one will ever know who's ultimately right/wrong without one of the writers confirming or denying it.

[@Komentujebomoge32]

The Bank manager after 9 years changed his own skin tone

[@TTvUnk0wncod]

People don’t remember that Trevor went to prison for a robbery and files are spread all around so if he does more crimes and he’s caught, they can put him in the slammer for longer and Michael had to change his identity card if he was in witness protection so if people found his card, they would’ve known who he was and throw him in prison and fire Dave if they found Michael’s files to about his past crimes no one else listened to most of Trevor’s files

[@SelvesteGud]

THERE AREN'T BANK MANAGERS IN PROLOGUE

[@Solinvic]

The amount of straw grasping with this theory is absurd. It is (or at least should be) obvious that the bank manager is hesitating because Trevor and his I.D look like a hillbilly meth-head and not a professional guard. Banks don't hire meth users believe it or not. Thats why he hesitated.

[@JokerOrTickle]

Also an 2013 ID while picture from 2004 😂

[@rickswordfire4774]

One thing that bothers me is Matto's conclusion that since Michael and Trevor were not recognized, the gang's pictures were not in the papers. It's been 9 years. People most likely just forgot about it. Would you recognize Bernie Madoff (yes, I'm aware that he's dead) if you saw him on the street? Jerry Sandusky? Dzhokhar Tsarnaev?

[@waltundres9630]

Maybe Trevor has a very unique smell. In combination with his voice this might have have startet a "I know this guy but I don't know why" feeling in the manager. Some noises/smells do trigger feelings/distant memories at least for me. That's the only argument I can think of in favor of this assumption.

[@GtaGuruYT]

It's that psychotic musk 😂

[@Vebrack]

Only way I see this happening is if he remembers Trevor’s voice which could be pretty possible in such a traumatic event

[@Swift_Scrapper]

I have a theory: Basically Trevor is Canadian and he has a Mexican name, and that's why the bank manager paused. Basically the face and the name don't match up

[@ReiCaixa]

Everyone needs to accept the bank manager only acted like that to give us suspense in that mission. Edit: 11:58 Exactly

[@AgentDeathProof]

i love this because so many people will listen and believe a 30 second youtube short

[@o_jamess6737]

I always assumed the name Diego Santiago on the ID would be enough to question the very none hispanic looking trevor haha not all of this reaching about remembering him from 10 years ago

[@thelaw11]

I only think that the manager paused because the ID had a moustache , and Trevor didn’t had that

[@SilasSuiTheMasterCoolboyNice]

5:48 I Think Because Michael Looks Different In Prologue Than On His ID So Thats Why

[@loganwolv3393]

Honestly i think that pause was because he was looking at the expiry date, but because he wasn't feeling so confident decided to stay quiet. That's my take on it. Also people's eyes do generally have 2 possible colours depending on the lighting, but them both being inside in a white light i still think you're right, that isn't enough to change their eye colour.

[@TheFunnyDictator]

Wdym, "not feeling so confident"? About what?

[@circuz4167]

It's because of the hair difference most likely, the ID looks almost entirely different from the current Trevor

[@loganwolv3393]

@@TheFunnyDictator About doing something about the suspicion, like raising the alarm or something.

[@burger406]

i was wrong too, michael isnt trevors son.😓😓 -burger40

[@Lizzoncker]

do you sign all your comments?

[@eldudemp6195]

The first second of the video needs to be a new meme for reddit. The cougars and the witness protection jokes are getting old

[@izoiva]

The manager acts absolutely normal.

[@Sutekh_a_Destroyer]

It's so obvious that the bank manager is secretly Gavin from Red Dead Redemption 2

[@Stella-mu4mg]

Damn, you got me, can’t say I’ve clicked on a video faster 😂

[@turbofx4049]

10,000 hours all for this bait. And here I am watching anyway bravo

[@JasonMaloneStan]

Day 633 of asking DarkviperAU to play GTA Chinatown Wars.

[@austinsanger5023]

You’re doing gods work

[@JasonMaloneStan]

@@austinsanger5023 I'm doing god's work

[@mortarn]

16:20 eyes can change colour. Mine used to be grey-blue when I was younger, but now in middle-age they're grey-hazel. In video game graphics my eyes would have changed from blue to brown

[@markyyt1431]

It is possible that the picture of Trevor was taken by the women in the red jacket at the end of prolog (also, on the way to paleto bay in the Paleto score heist, Michael metions how at his first job Trevor got arested and sat 6 months so that explains the mugshot)

[@Chicken_sandwich52]

If you take even 5 seconds to think then that wouldn't make sense.

[@OfficialPagan4rS]

That woman took a picture of Trevor? How is that even possible? You saw the cutscene, and how would they even get the photo? That makes no sense

[@jordanread5829]

Another factor that might count against this, is the fact that the mission has a split choice. You can either go in stealth, which is one shown or you can tunnel your way directly into the vault. I doubt you would have such an important scene play out on a choice that may or may not be considered the canonical outcome in Rockstars eyes.