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[@DMProductions]

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[@dereksmith9448]

Love it

[@andreasp2089]

me sitting here and want the dji matrice 30

[@no15minutecities]

another spoiled brat review

[@ethankrone2447]

I mean, if the Ukrainian military uses it, i bet it’s pretty good

[@inspiredtotired8369]

DM, When taking photos with the main camera, do you have any small out of focus/blurred areas on the photograph? There's a few posts on the DJI forum about it. It's more visible when taking urban shots. Thanks.

[@stephenremich4581]

Can the Mavic 3 Pro be used with an iPad and DJI Go app? Biggest downside (for me, at least) seems to be the 5" screen. Way too small when I've been flying the Mavic 2 with a 12" iPad for years now.

[@bladerealm124]

Is there a range difference between the two controllers when using with the Mavic 3 Pro?

[@josephramone5805]

Great video! I'm planning on visiting the Alps next Summer and taking the M3 Pro with me. Is there an issue flying it in the mountains, far away from people? Will I need a special license/permit?

[@leeretallic]

Any idea how you turn off the enhanced image quality on the 24mm lens? It's well over saturated.

[@shb7772000if]

I have one. Are you saying you can do active track with the 3x and 7x cameras?

[@inkyspider1]

Have you noticed that you cant zoom in when using camera/photo mode on the mavic classic or is it just me??

[@robbiegibson4944]

does the 70mm medium telephoto lens shoot burst photos at 48mp or only 12mp?

[@Sparroh]

What video editing software do you use, what could you recommend for a beginner and on a budget?

[@virgiltorres9359]

Are all the lenses active simultaneously?

[@w33k3ndwanderer7]

Good morning mate , very informative video , im looking to upgrade my mini 3 pro , cant decide between the mavic 3 pro or the air 3 , basically going to be using this up in the mountains in wales , the lakes & Scotland , carrying the extra weight isn't an issue , its the 3 cameras on the mavic that are swaying me towards it , any thoughts from personal experience ? Thanks in advance :)

[@EpicAirGS]

Here's a question... Do you think this is the last and greatest version of the Mavic 3 before the Mavic 4 series. If so, it makes sense to buy this one to use with your RC Pro. As I assume a Mavic 4 would use 04 transmission and render my RC Pro useless. Thoughts?

[@andrewjohnston9115]

I'm guessing the Air 3 S will be made to fill the gap left by the Mavic 3?

[@mjpm7888]

So the main camera is a 24mm F1.7 m4/3 camera, which means it is an 48 mm F3.4 full frame equivalent?

[@dougcooper4917]

Excellent Suggestions. Thank You Darren.

[@DMProductions]

Thanks Doug 😊

[@WiljanWiljan]

Great update video, and agree with you! What i would like as well, is that DJI will upgrade the waypoint mission, so that you can set the zoom levels using all 3 lenses during the mission

[@DMProductions]

yes this is a great suggestion

[@roaldwal2006]

I ordered a drone online about 24 days ago and is estimated to be shipped on 12th of june. Why does it take so long to deliver?

[@ExploringWithKev]

Another amazing vid always watch your vids for reviews and tips for drones helps me out a lot 👌

[@DMProductions]

thank you ! more to come !

[@carolmingus2754]

Thank you so much for this report!!! Great suggestions!

[@DMProductions]

Thank you

[@kevinharris152]

Great video, thanks 🙏

[@VeganLinked]

Doesn't the mavic 3 pro cine use the same codec across all cameras? If so perhaps that's why this one does not and maybe a reason why it may never get that firmware upgrade

[@blueskynautical]

Bought the MAVIC 3 PRO w/RC PRO combo a week ago. I must say it's absolutely fantastic. The power & stability is incredible. Not to mention the quality of the gimbal & cameras. Looking forward to future firmware updates from DJI that will make this fantastic beast even better to benefit us all.

[@CurbAppealHSV]

How has it held up for you?

[@markkramer2908]

Thanks again Darren for such a good, informative video.

[@DMProductions]

thanks Mark

[@kuldar.]

I will go to give an A2 exam tomorrow, unfortunately haven't sold my M3C DJI replacement yet. Regret buying M3C and hope to sell it asap to get money for M3Pro. Btw - do you think that EU battery is the option in the future?

[@dogzillamonster]

The Mavic 3 Pro looks like a big sexy beast for sure! My Mini 3 Pro with RC, FMK Plus, ND filters, a few other accessories, is much simpler. It has plenty of features, creates gorgeous videos, will stick with that for now given my only needs.

[@dimondcrafts1]

Love this device!🙌🏻

[@dronebuzz]

Excellent points! ;-) Thanks much, T

[@erbartlett]

Can you do active track on the 7x lens? Is it hard to manually track a moving subject with the 7x?

[@coro8933]

Active track works on every lens except the 7x

[@wallygargett1180]

Another great video in the classroom Darren. Thank you my friend ❤

[@DMProductions]

thank you buddy ! I'm still searching round for that filter lol

[@wallygargett1180]

@@DMProductions plenty time my friend, I know how busy you are, not to worry. ♥️

[@burtba]

You got your(our) wish, now all 3 lenses support Dlog-M @ 10bit. This certainly is great. I've just purchased this and love it. Good point about the battery too. Doesn't affect me in Australia, but that is something that would be well worth DJI doing.

[@Serander]

I bought mavic 3 classic three days ago and i thought should i change to pro .. then i checked the specs again .. just for the zoom no need to spend that much money ..

[@anumkhan6601]

Hi, I am getting red lines while recording through Mavic 3 Pro. Can someone please help with this issue. Thanks

[@AnythingByEric]

Really hope they could release dlog-m for the 166mm tele

[@ashleyjackson8538]

The desert sunset colours look amazing

[@SmartMeditationFilms]

Thank you!

[@AlenPesec]

I'm in EU, and sadly even with "under 900g" It doesn't work in restricted controlled zone around airport and i'm not talking about 5 mile radius, but controlled area which can be like 50km . And in this controlled area you can fly with announcing flight and also under 500g. So i sadly replaced Air 2S which was fantastic to try out quickly, with now mini 3 pro. Happy about it's features and new controller tho and still waiting next 5 day for fly more combo to arrive :D. Cheers, nice videos, watched quite a few in the last few days , (air 2 s vs mini 3 pro kinda videos :p)

[@Stepshots]

Can you please explain how to create vertical videos on Mavic 3 pro for social media?

[@Clipaview]

Great video really knowledgeable I am currently using the same drone in the Philippines and it’s performing beautifully.

[@MotionArt_Films]

Thank you for this great review. I'm sold on it.

[@DMProductions]

Thank you, it’s amazing

[@bekagelashvili2904]

i first time heard that eu battery and us battery are different wight ? reallyyyyyy

[@charlesdove1345]

Mine has arrived I love it !

[@DMProductions]

niceeee

[@purestench9263]

Ty for ignoring the 5 people that legit dont know what a cam lense does

[@cuuppaajoe]

Thank you for the great video. Very informative. Silly question. Do you get the benefits of the Hasselblad colors if you use Dlog?

[@DMProductions]

Yeah sure it just protects the shadows and highlights

[@cuuppaajoe]

@@DMProductions ok great. Thanks much.

[@ingzimmerman899]

I think the firmware update you are talking about have just been released a few days ago.😃

[@stanleywolf4807]

hello ; Darren do you think its worth the extra money to buy the mavic 3 pro over the mavic 3 classic my home was broken into and my mavic 3 classic was stolen the insurance is giving me the full purchase price back for it but think maybe would be better to put alittle extra money out and buy the pro what is your thoughts .

[@DMProductions]

I do mate the zoom lenses are incredible, sorry to hear what happened

[@pudsboi5203]

Nice vid. When it comes as a drone only option I will buy one.

[@pauloshea5483]

They’re not yet compatible with Pix4D capture 😔

[@DigitalDivotGolf]

Just ordered mine and can’t wait to start capturing awesome videos and pictures of where I live

[@DMProductions]

You’ll love it !

[@VivoFotografie-DroneInspecties]

Good point with the batteries to get the drone to a C1 but that's not going to happen I suspect. The Mavic Air 3 is imminent and I am convinced that that drone will get a C1 label and most likely also get a telephoto lens. I think that is also the reason that the Mavic 3 has disappeared from the scene.

[@JacobGolds]

Does it allow recording of all three cameras at the same time?

[@andrewjarvis7777]

no way...and if so it would be a headlining feature. would be amazing though, pricey upgrade for that however if it ever showed up

[@primo8825]

Seems like they are leaving all the real pro features for the Inspire series, however the price difference is too big to justify that. 3 classic seems like the best option all things considered. I'm not interested on a tele lens that I can't use professionally. Thanks for speaking up!

[@philipbloom]

I raised the battery solution with them but never heard back. Seems like a no brainer to me!

[@DMProductions]

Completely agree !

[@stevepugh55]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the sub 900g thing is only applicable in the EU for C Class drones right? This is not really applicable in the UK as we don't recognise C Class drones so the A2 CofC would be required to fly in the A2 category if not it would be an A3 class drone regardless of it being a classic or standard Mavic 3. Same as a Mavic 2 Pro.

[@DMProductions]

Yeah definitely in the uk it’s worth getting the a2cofc

[@jannerwingfeather]

Another great video! Really hoping for those updates you mentioned, and the EU battery is a fantastic idea! DJI are you listening?

[@malanalan1]

DJI does not listen. DJI does dumb things and people who work for DJI are robots.

[@GB_birdview]

Could you do a vlog about the difference in HLG D-Log D-Log-M ?

[@DMProductions]

No but HLG is HDR so super bright, colours look great, d- log is very flat but perfect for pro colour grading , d-log M is not as flat and easier to colour grade.

[@lynsmith1096]

Good 1 Darren

[@WolfWriterL.P]

yeah my head popped watching the drone i really really wish i could have one

[@TKO67]

range ?

[@domicreator]

Awesome vid. Are you gona make cheat sheet for mavic 3 pro? :D

[@DMProductions]

Certainly am - working on them now they’ll be a work of art

[@cadenicholson]

Incredible review! Just got mine in and have been absolutely loving it. My only gripe with your review is 10:35 THAT HORIZON BRO! 😂😂 don’t let that happen again hahaha

[@HebronGrandpa]

I believe I would have to have a license to have this. I have a mini 3 pro and got hooked on flying drones.

[@nicholasfooadventure9734]

Can you please do a tutorial of editing the video please

[@jalatam]

Can anyone tell me where can i find cool looking overlayers like this at 6:09 that shows D-LOG, D-LOG M, HLG ect..? It's awesome..

[@DMProductions]

It’s from here - it’s using the Cyber plugin 😊 motionvfx.sjv.io/c/3002158/614046/10011

[@jalatam]

@@DMProductions Thank you Bro! It's a big step up for my channel. Sub + bell for you and keep up with great videos like this one! Best from Poland 🤟

[@Kesslerlite]

Do you always shoot in HLG?

[@DMProductions]

not all the time but sunsets, sunrises, saturated places look great with hlg

[@ClarkDroneFilms]

Just bought mine and it arrives tomorrow I didn't know but it looks like the latest update (w/ Vision Assist) also does D-logM on the Tele lens! Good timing for me

[@DMProductions]

Yeah this is a great update I show those features on a video couple weeks back 😊

[@dereksmith9448]

Excellent video

[@DMProductions]

thank you

[@harleyvlogger8388]

Im still trying to get caught up with the different Mavic 3 models. I fly the Mavic 3. I have a question, how do you switch lenses on the pro? Do you have to manually rotate the lens before you take off, or can you do it in flight?

[@kevinkenmoe1605]

@harleyvlogger8388 you can change the lens meanwhile the drone is in the sky. You don’t need to do anything manually.

[@DMProductions]

so you just tap on the screen, 1x , 3x or 7x lens and it will auto switch for you in photos and video

[@harleyvlogger8388]

@@DMProductions I figured that's how it worked, but wasn't sure. Thanks!

[@harleyvlogger8388]

@@kevinkenmoe1605 Gotcha, thanks!

[@cameron6249]

on that list there's only 1 classic model and 2 pro models, however here in the u.s you can still buy the mavic 3 and mavic 3 enterprise

[@allegriach]

Just wait and see before you buy a new drone. Today I read the first rumors with pictures of the Air 3. 599 g and two cameras with the same 1“ Sensor-size like the Air 2S. Launch maybe end of June?!? The future king in C1?

[@ExHanseat]

C2 certification is the killer issue for me. Waiting for the resurrection of the Mavic 3 with 2 lenses and C1, together with new bundles like the RC control. Kind of what they did with the Mavic Mini that came back as Mini SE with the RC-N1 controller.

[@DavidinEssexUK]

I assume your not in the U.K.? The U.K. doesn’t recognise those Cx labels and only cares about weight now.

[@olabergvall3154]

The Mini SE uses "enhanced wifi", same as original Mavic Mini. Not the rc-n1. Are you thinking about the 2SE?

[@ExHanseat]

@@olabergvall3154 Yes, you are right of course. It's the Mini 2 SE. 🤦‍♂

[@rustytaco8412]

I'll sell you my Mavic 3 bro.

[@Mrmelody85]

The A2 certification allows you to fly C2 drones. The exam is free here in Spain. A couple of hours studying with free material online and you have it

[@sottheaphoeurng9044]

There is no body only for this drone. I have mini 3 pro with RC controller, so I just want mavic 3 pro body only. Sadly it doesn't happen for me.

[@Cozydrone]

Today is March 19th 2024.it took me a month and hundreds of KZbin videos to decide.i got the mavic pro combo with with the rc controller.😊

[@alexxanderec]

Nice info bro

[@DMProductions]

🙏

[@enginewatcher6291]

Well thanks a bunch! I have been aching to press buy it now on this drone. Watched you video thinking, this would bring me to my senses. No, you didn't, now I want it even more!

[@waypointnewengland]

Nice video, Great drone.

[@DMProductions]

thank you !

[@scottyzepplinphotography1188]

DJi is the apple of drone, they know they have the market so they wont just bend to customer review or requests, instead they will release another drone add these new features and make you buy it with the hype we all know that surrounds new drone releases. I initially wanted to buy the Mavic 3 Cine but held off and still kept the Air @s which I am still going to hang on to until probably the Mavic $ or Air 3S. I haven't seen anything that I would consider a significant upgrade yet and the Air 2s still more than delivers for my personal needs. If huge companies could give us an ear, I'm pretty sure they'd have more than loyal customers. But ultimately what Dji needs is solid competition, right now they dominate so they can do whatever they like within that realm.

[@AlenPesec]

I just returned Air2S for mini 3 pro because of regulations. So sad really. And slovenia has so much restricted air space, because we're so small and it's all controlled, and max weight is under 500g, and Air 2S has 595. So sad. Because of those 95g I had to give up, for what I think was the perfect drone for me. Truly sad. But yeah, played today with mini 3 and it's good too. Just ..not the same :D

[@ChixelROBLOX]

If it was only 95g you could've got lighter propellers, and any 3d printing vendor could've replace the bottom aluminum plate(next to the lights and bottom vision sensors), that would've gotten rid of at least 95g

[@zhunimassa571]

can it record all 3 videos at the same time?

[@DMProductions]

No you switch lenses

[@andrewjohnston9115]

As a later comment, the RC2 for the Air 3 and Mini 4 Pro ... why would you buy a Mavic 3 Pro, because you know the next updated Mavic "4" Pro will use the RC2, and it might even use the same sensor for all the lenses, and it might even be lighter than 900 g.

[@1729patrick]

Weight is not the only problem for the drone in the EU, after 12/31/2023 it will only be allowed to fly in the A3 subcategory, right?

[@WiljanWiljan]

The mavic 3 pro is labeled as C2 already. So its a A2 drone already and will stay A2 after january 2024. And the zoom lenses will allow to stay out of no fly zones

[@DMProductions]

👍

[@FotografHuatorp]

After 650km with Mavic 3 I did also switch. But I have serious problems to figure out the zoom option on Mavic 3 Pro in waypoint. It does not work as it did on the Mavic 3. Anyone have same problem? On mine it does not zoom as I do when make the waypoint

[@yourpublicservant]

this is normal until potentially a software update

[@davidgibson6696]

It's dose now with update cab you make new video

[@horizonairscapes]

Had my Mavic 3 Pro a few weeks now and its awesome. All 3 cameras are fantastic quality and a clear step up from the Mini 3 pro. The Zoom lenses give options for a different perspective and its so good just being able to switch between them so easily. No regrets and well worth the upgrade.

[@DMProductions]

absolutely its my fav! Lets just hope we can get bit more firmware goodies

[@horizonairscapes]

@@DMProductions I'm sure the Firmware will follow. It helps that you are on the case and hopefully DJI will be listening and it will make the colour grading much easier for sure :O)

[@bsmayerr]

How do you compare the noise of the Mini 3 with the Mavic Pro? Is it too different and noticeable in the air?

[@horizonairscapes]

@@bsmayerr It's certainly louder than the Mini 3 but not a huge amount - it's actually quieter than I was expecting it to be. I generally fly in remote areas so its not really an issue for me. One of the biggest benefits of the Mavic 3 pro is its darker colour which makes it so much easier to keep line of sight much further away - I can see it 400-500 metres away where the Mini 3 is hard to see once I get to 100m.

[@aliataya5990]

Which one is better with distance mavic 3 pro or dji mini 3 Pro

[@don-xl]

@DM Productions Great content as usual!! I took note of you mentioning DJI no longer offering the Mavic 3 on their website. Makes sense; if you think about it, why would they have TWO cameras with multi-lenses, when one (Mavic 3 Pro) is clearly superior to the other? Plus, less inventory to confuse consumers with. This way, either a user would want something simple like Mavic 3 Classic, because they don't want to get off into all of the pro features and tools, or they're looking to do more professional and professional-looking work (Mavic 3 Pro) Once again thanks much for your review!!

[@DMProductions]

Yeah I agree no need to have 3 versions, it’s complicated enough which of the current line ups to buy!

[@don-xl]

@@DMProductions Absolutely! Thanks for agreeing

[@munokhoi5800]

Coming from the mini’s, the Mavic 3 Pro is just a beast. Did miss the Mi3P’s greater than 35deg vertical camera tilt while shooting the sunset last night. Like most things, once you have it, you kinda get used to it. I guess I’ll just muddle through. Thanks DM.

[@DMProductions]

Thank you 🙏

[@zhunimassa571]

you can crop it

[@munokhoi5800]

@@zhunimassa571 unfortunately, you can not. The gimbal will only rise above the horizon 35deg on the Mavic 3 Pro, while the Mini 3 Pro is 60deg. You can’t crop what the camera can’t see. Yes, flying backwards will tilt the whole drone, increasing the camera’s apparent tilt angle. Fine for video, not so great for static photos. This disparity is mute in most scenarios because the drone by design is above the surface/subject. My gripe is best classified as a nit picking personal problem , as both drones are pretty much astonishing. Happy flying.

[@l.mpatamali8738]

Its seems DJI is the Apple inc. of drones ..seems every year there is new drone of the same drone ..and every year our favorite youtubers always recommend the new one as the drone you must have.. but last year the other drone you have was the drone you must have.. drone dizzy.. great update ofcourse from this channel its one of my to go to for reviews.

[@DMProductions]

Thank you 😊 I would argue that the mavic 3 pro is the best foldable drone available 100%. But if you need a smaller and cheaper version the mini 3 pro is still a great choice

[@o0oj0hnnyo0o7]

i'd love to buy this but i do NOT need another controller.. When DJI releases it in the "Drone Only" pkg, then I'll get it.. And I just got off the line with DJI sales service 5 mins ago and "it is not available in the Drone Only Pkg at this time". But it will be in the near future yes.. Can't wait cus this thing is Kill3R!!!

[@jaakkotahtela123]

The only thing that’s Hasselblad in Mavic 3 is the natural color solution science. So there isn’t anything Hasselbald physical things

[@mastorasmars2326]

Very nice. I got Mavic 3 same time as Mavic 3 Pro came out. I love my Mavic 3, and to get a Mavic 3 Pro now id lose hundreds to make the switch since the Mavic 3 has plummeted in value. If they get a Mavic 3 Pro only option, and DJI Certified Refurbished, then it might be doable, since the price difference would be alot less then this moment. But again, loving the OG Mavic 3, thing is a beast!

[@NickHarbornePhotography]

Nothing wrong with the mavic 3 i love mine its a beast

[@connorbarnes5545]

Anyone know the difference between the 3 Pro and the 3 Pro Cine?

[@ClarkDroneFilms]

Cine has internal 1TB SSD and can record in Apple ProRes (hence the need for a fast SSD)

[@RealLagu]

The >900g weight is the problem for me.

[@MostlyDrones]

The drone in my dreams is the Mavic 3 Thermal….. unfortunately it’s way out of my financial league 😢

[@dereksmith9448]

Such a great drone

[@DMProductions]

Sure is ! Just needs a bit of extra firmware and it’s 100%

[@RajaSingh-9131]

Drone cahi Kitne ka milega

[@a.j.ltargaryen5995]

Have to disagree about multi-versioning. If I'm at a position (having enough money) to consider buying a Mavic 3 XXX, I'd better know a lot about drones and what I need to do already. It won't be a difficult decision making then.

[@Robbe1984]

It feels like they could give the cameras a firmware update to give them all d-log the same way they updated the mini 3 pro from 8-bit to 10-bit

[@DMProductions]

I think it’ll happen 😊

[@marianriabic9573]

Remember that this has been the case on Mavic 3.😢 Normal profile only on the tele lens. I wonder if it is doable at all to get at least Dlog-M on all three if they could not do it on Mavic 3 tele. DJI have known about this issue for almost 2 years and have done nothing about it. Just saying..

[@kmzerots]

I truly love this drone, tried it once and would buy it immediately…that said I think there is another small technical detail: it’s the 3 different sensor sizes. You are getting extra reach both by changing lens and by cropping, therefore the compression you get by changing camera is not the same as you would, for example, by mounting a 24, a 70 and a 166mm lens on a dslr camera. I’ve compared some photos taken with the 70mm and the 166mm from the M3Pro: a cropped 48mp photo at 70mm doesn’t look that bad compared to a 12mp photo at 166mm. Considering that the drone is already over 900 g I would have preferred to have two 1/1.3 sensors. I guess this is a marketing move from dji and M4 will have a bigger sensor on the 166 mm equivalent camera. This is one of the things that led me to choose the air 3.

[@fj1100mark]

Even the normal colour profile isn’t consistent across the three cameras on the main camera. It’s Hasselblad colour the others aren’t

[@DMProductions]

sure but you can colour match them a lot easier. 8 bit is the biggest drawback with Norma tho

[@NeilMcAliece]

Can't DJI just put a Hasselblad badge on what ever they like at this point with a majority stake in Hasselblad since 2017? I've got no doubt that the Mavic 3 pro is phenomenal, but I'm not sure how much Hasselblad dna is in the mavic cameras.

[@droningwesternaustralia]

Imagine dji release a new Mavic 3 Pro-3CS. What's the 3CS mean, 3 camera simultaneously. What a game changer that would be, and how far ahead of the field would DJI be if you were able to record 3 cameras at once

[@climber950]

It would be pretty cool. It would work great if it had the crop lines of each of the 3 too! It would probably produce quite a lot more heat both for the CPU and the camera with all 3 sensors operating at the same time.

[@felixhug6503]

Not so sure thats a great idea. In therory yes, but the framing fro each focal lens would be very different for teh same subject or not?

[@-joo3033]

Pretty sure some Matrice line drones can do that, so DJI can make drones that can record with multiple cameras at the same time...

[@adunsky]

Still struggling to truly understand if the Mavic 3 Pro is a a REAL upgrade over my Mini 3 Pro. Yes, the sensor is much superior, but the Mini 3 Pro video is absolutely gorgeous. The only major thing is the quality of the stills picture, which is quite disappointing with the Mini 3 Pro tiny little sensor. So, should I put 4.5K$ for a little bit bigger of a sensor (and a much heavier aircraft)? I still don't have the answer to that.

[@DMProductions]

The mavic 3 pro beats the mini 3 pro in so many ways, much more than just the camera

[@cameron6249]

i don't know where you shop but the mavic 3 pro can be had for waaaay less than $4.5k 😂

[@6mazing]

@@cameron6249lol riiight ? Where i am its 2200

[@WeretheRoberts]

Man, one can only dream... lol Nice review, brother...

[@DMProductions]

wow can you imagine the upgrade from a Mini 2 to Mavic 3 Pro!? 😂

[@WeretheRoberts]

@@DMProductions actually I cannot. Hahaha. I’d be willing to try though.