DataStore2 vs ProfileService vs Suphi's DataStore Module

[@صاحب-العقل-والمنطق]

Omg I didn't know about the Ctrl + F method. It saved my life. Thank you so much bro! You earned a subscriber:)

[@Chiurlyy]

Seems like SDM is the best of all worlds! I will definitely give it a good shot for future projects. Thank you for making these videos too!

[@gibbonbasher8171]

I love how intuitive your solutions are to certain problems. Underrated channel

[@goreacraft]

Amazing, thank you. Although i do not need a datastore saving system, i still learned many new things from watching this video. I had no idea about "export type" and "table.freeze" for example

[@t_bcYT]

whats good

[@abidbmtt]

Wow this is great! Im really looking forward to using SDM in my future games, are you also planning on adding support for the new automated GDPR request handling? It would be really great if that is a feature too!

[@5uphi]

You can do dataStore.UserIds = {12345}

[@NegationPro]

loved the example for session locking

[@sunzalea3257]

as someone who’s just now getting into data store this is confusing 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@umamidayo]

After analyzing ProfileService and DataStore2 modules, you pointed out some flaws that should've been considered by the developers: the race condition and the heartbeat connection, which are both wasted optimizations. Your solution to the current datastore issues in both of them is strong because it's maintaining synchronous datastore and not relying on potential failures. That all leads to Roblox being responsible for datastore failures, which means your methods are quite reliable. If possible, what would be some flaws that your datastore module has, compared to the latter? I could only point out that the unique id can also be generated via user and time stamp instead of a long alphanumeric string for optimal solutions, but maybe that's because you're ensuring a random id, no matter what. I couldn't think of anything else to compress and decompress, but I believe that the smaller the string, the less bytes are sent to the server; resulting in lower datastore usage. Either way, I think you've convinced me that it's time to upgrade from DataStore2 from your thorough explanation. Lastly, I want to strongly point out that your usage of constructors is really clean and easy to understand, compared to the other modules. It reminds me of Java's classes.

[@5uphi]

Because you don't have to use SDM for just player data, using user and time stamp would not be a robust solution Compress and decompress are disabled by default and I only recommend turning it on if 100% needed

[@umamidayo]

@@5uphi I see, it seems like the SDM's unique id would then be use-case depending on your game. However, I am certain that most people will use it for player data, so tweaking the compression, encoding, and id methods would help reduce datastore usage. I've struggled to figure out a smart way to reduce player data for a large scale RPG game, and so has many others for DataStore. If you did implement an excellent compression service, it would be a very optimal solution for storing large amounts of information, such as an inventory or build saves. There's a lot of potential, essentially.

[@5uphi]

You can ignore the unique id it will just work and you don't even need to worry that its there its only there to store a temporary lock into the memorystore while the session is open it has no effect on your game This video will show you how to enable compression: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5y6nHelq8SrY5o

[@scriptedinterface5403]

Hey! I really like your channel! Could you make a tutorial that covers how to make a state machine? I really need that and I'm sure it will be helpful for others too!

[@5uphi]

I find that when I make something that has states depending on what the thing is the code ends up vastly different to other things that have stats so I feel there is not a general rule that can be used for all state machines and each state machine needs to be designed separately depending on what it wants to do

[@zabuxman4631]

DS2 vs Ps vs SDM *A Knockout!* SDM has won.

[@kazuya49]

43:45 arrows are getting bigger and bigger :o

[@5uphi]

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[@BakerBShdifat]

I am going to convert from Profile Service, to Suphi's DataStore Module ,before I upload my game, But I have a small negligible note, Not to be rude or anything, Why not name it something cool, memorable and shorter, so people would easily remember it's name or pronounce it(Believe me most people can't pronounce my Username tho it's simple), And give it an Icon.

[@5uphi]

You can call it SDM for short

[@Boeufplume6771]

Hello Suphi Kaner👋I wanted to make a level editor but i don't know how i could do that. Can you make a video about how to make a level editor?

[@Cubo-Doodle]

Nice glasses you have on the thumbnail

[@5uphi]

Thank you

[@protato4389]

I think you should make a FPV channel because I think a lot of your audience would be interested including me!

[@5uphi]

youtube.com/@SilentPOV

[@lightzdev]

​@@5uphi Wow, I didn't know you lived in Turkiye!

[@ZigonIsGone]

profile service goated no comment

[@5uphi]

Thanks for the comment

[@KonEckton]

Very interesting

[@swordlegend3256]

Ur the Goat

[@akzholtosamaeva117]

❤

[@AstroPlaneat]

do you recommend using this datastore on large scale rpg games?

[@5uphi]

I would say self made, SDM or profile service are all valid options for a large scale RPG game

[@Vortex-qb2se]

I don't know who to trust with datastore modules anymore, every creator of one of those finds flaws in the others 💀. Though, I'll give this a try, if it's easy enough to use I might replace profile service with it. Though, it sounds a little overwhelming.

[@XaneMyers]

Originally, I planned to use ProfileService as my DataStore module, but never actually set it up. When Suphi's DataStore Module was released, I started using it. From what I've tested, SDM is pretty reliable and useful; It seems to always save data when it's supposed to (including when the test server shuts down). I wouldn't be able to test out its "server locks" and other protections against duplication exploits, but I'm assuming that those probably work too. This is probably possible with any of the DataStore modules, but SDM's simple ".Value" variable was easy to integrate into another one of my scripts; I've made a "system" that automatically stores references to the player's character model, parts of that model, and their player instance, and now with SDM, I linked a variable in that structure directly *to* my DataStore's "value", and I can directly write to it to edit my save data from other server scripts. I don't think tht I knew for sure whether I could trust any of the DataStore modules either, but Suphi's was coincidentally a new release when I checked the community resources section of the DevForum, so I felt it was time to give one of them a chance; SDM is pretty good, at least for now.

[@trustbands]

Bro this is so usefull when it comes to exploiters

[@HashCollision]

Npc comment, this has nothing to do with exploiters.

[@Serlicias]

How? Just datastore

[@trustbands]

​@@HashCollisionmaking datastores using profileservice can prevent plrs from duping cash n stuff

[@sirmin9798]

​@@trustbandsто есть ты опровергаешь свои же слова , что этот datastore хорош для exploiters?

[@sadge6430]

oiu

[@mostlyrob3469]

ive been told that memorystoreservice is not really that reliable and there are some peopl that complained about it while using your module in your devforum post, will you address that?

[@5uphi]

SDM does not relay on the memorystore to save data only for session locking with the default settings the memorystore would need to fail 15 times in a row before the session will close but this will note cause any data loss if Roblox datastore servers are still up and working

[@ArklightStudioROBLOX]

I will be sure to put it into use! This is the best scripting channel for Roblox in MY opinion, I learned a lot from your videos. Thanks!

[@nikos4677]

Well I am really confused about the session locking. Roblox doesnt allow players to have 2 sessions anyway why would we need session locking if roblox does this?

[@5uphi]

Datastore is not only used for player data but can be used for many things But one small edge case for players is let's say a player leaves one server and enters the second server in a very short time before the previous server managed to save the data if you don't have session locking the next server will load out of date data but if you have session locking the second server will have to wait until the first server saved and unlock the session

[@dad8102]

Id like to ask a question can hackers see the server storage or serverscript using any tool or hack

[@5uphi]

As far as I know I do not believe they can it's also my belief that hackers can't see scripts even if they are not in serverstorage or serverscriptservice

[@XaneMyers]

​@@5uphiI can confirm that yeah, exploiters can't see anything that isn't replicated to clients. This includes those two containers, and also affects server scripts; Exploiters can decompile most scripts, but can't do this with server scripts, probably only because their contents aren't replicated.

[@dr.poptart]

What about making your own using HttpService?

[@privatefield.]

impossible

[@dr.poptart]

@@privatefield. :(

[@HashCollision]

Possible, but not realistic. Doing that ties your game to an external server that may or may not still operate in the future. Roblox datastore is here to stay.

[@dr.poptart]

@@HashCollision Using httpservice has way less limits on how many requests you make every minute and you could also set it up in a way where a single request would take care of multiple actions (get/set/update).

[@HashCollision]

@dr.poptart5520 You shouldn't be making requests more frequently than every few minutes anyway. Caching is just a better approach. Also you can already do some basic requests merging with UpdateAsync. Don't see why you'd need more

[@sadge6430]

dsa

[@KennyKenny-p5c]

Is there a dependency link for wally users?

[@5uphi]

No if you want to make one, feel free to

[@Noon1263]

how do you use your data store module?

[@5uphi]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3LHdmtjdsuog9E

[@DaYoDuDe]

Where can I get SDM?

[@5uphi]

This video will show you how to setup SDM kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3LHdmtjdsuog9E

[@sadge6430]

mnb

[@zorgofunnyshorts]

First and great video!

[@Z3SC]

How can you say great video you haven't watched :troll:

[@Kyles45678]

@@Z3SC TRUE

[@XxBery_AllenxX]

@@Z3SC Yeah.

[@zorgofunnyshorts]

@@Z3SC because I already know it bouta b crazy

[@FriedKai]

Hi Suphi! Is it possible for you to make a video on creating a magic then putting it onto a tool then allowing it to be saved in the datastore?