Dave Chappelle's Deliberately Divisive Narrative | Kat Blaque

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So you saw me watch the full show, now I've had time to collect my thoughts. While I'm not offended by Dave's special, it does unfortunately continue a trend I've always found distressing as a trans woman.
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[@Satrina777]

As someone who was friends with and knew Daphne personally, I can tell every single one of you right now, that she did not commit suicide because her own community, "drove her to". Not even fucking close. She confided in me many things, and at the end of the day Daphne was overwhelmed as a human being. She was struggling with life, she was the type to suffer in silence most of the time, she left her job, there were personal relationships that she was battling with, like her ex partner, which then had implications on her relationship with her daughter, and on top of that she was a trans woman. A trans woman who now had this negative reputation for defending dave, yes. I won't divulge her personal information beyond that, as it's not my place, but let me be clear, the backlash she received from her peers was the cherry on top of a cake that was already fully baked. It makes me sick to my stomach that Dave would insinuate that her own community was the reason for her ultimate decision. To use her suicide as a justification for your uninspired, tired, ignorant, transphobic joke's is disgusting, and Daphne, no matter her stance on your sense of humor, would never have wanted you to manipulate the narrative to benefit yourself at her community's expense. We are NOT the villains.

[@dehartfamily3091]

Didn’t he say, now I don’t know if those comments drove her to suicide, but they didn’t help?

[@Satrina777]

@@dehartfamily3091 It's still more or less implied, and he's still using her likeness to make people have more sympathy for HIM, as a comedian, and less for victims of marginalization.

[@OpqHMg]

@@dehartfamily3091 he mentioned that in this way to heavily imply they played a role. That's what this rhetoric phrasing does

[@EZOnTheEyes]

Thank you for mentioning this, it takes real strength speaking out on a personal topic wheb there's so much (misunderstood) cultural discussion about it. I'm terribly sorry for you and all of Daphne's other loved ones that the tradgedy affected, I hope stuff goes well for you in the future❤️

[@DrewDesign]

@@dehartfamily3091 well, yes, Dave didn’t out and out state that it was the transgender ‘mob’ who drove her to suicide, but he sure as heck implied it. He just left the thread dangling for his audience to pick up and follow to their own conclusions, and it would be foolish not to acknowledge that a great swathe of his audience who were ambivalent about trans people are likely to have come away with the idea that there’s this monolithic trans group out there, bullying members of their own community who don’t tow the party line and baselessly harassing poor defenceless comedians.

[@cheeseisherelive753]

“it’s possible for someone to be LGBT and racist” Well yeah. It’s also possible for someone to be BIPOC and transphobic. Like, what’s this weird disconnect he’s having? Am I misunderstanding something or is him trying to use that as some sort of “point” not really strong or what? Thanks for the video, Kat

[@victoriajankowski1197]

I think there is a question he forgot to ask ''Is it possible to be LGTBQ and black?" I think he completely forgot the answer to that since he seems dead set on these communities against each other even though there is by definition a huge degree of cross over between them with all the exponential issues that come with that.

[@Shuhannazy]

that caught me too. to say something so blatant and not have the thought or sight to see how it reverses right back to him. but that is the mindset of most transphobic people, like jk rowling being like "i would march with you if you were being discriminated against on the basis of being trans" .. like bitch are you blind, hello?

[@Debziiie]

I don't think he tried to argue that, that's not possible. But i do think he talks like someone who has had very very little interaction with trans people. He seems really confused about why he can't say things, kinda like how some people don't understand what's so wrong with saying the N word. you'll always offend if you makes jokes on a topic you're not educated on.

[@Shuhannazy]

@@Debziiie yeah, its a lack of care for the subject which makes "offensive comedy" a fine line. i like dark humor, but not when it comes from people with no experience or care of the subject. because then it just becomes trope humor which is not funny

[@kamau9ether179]

@@Shuhannazy if you care about yourself and love yourself jokes that are just jokes should affect you. Oh but they do don't they? Plenty of people using these harmless exarrated jokes yet people get sad about it what the lbgtq fails to understand is that no one needs to like you or even have anything to do with you this is why the community isn't respected rn manipulation on kids won't give you the respect you desire. Difference between people making harmless jokes and a person making n word clearly racist jokes that go way over the line same with other jokes but this is just nonsense childish efforts at wanting and truly desiring respect doing this won't get you or the rest of the community anywhere lol.

[@cassandrar5127]

"I'm pessimistic about trans acceptance" girl, SAME. They like to parade us around like show ponies in the media, but that's not the same thing as acceptance or the material reality that you so eloquently referenced!

[@julietfischer5056]

It will take a few more generations. As long as there are advantages to being white, cis-het, and Christian (preferably male), and as long as we reward obsession with ever-narrower definitions of cisgender masculinity and femininity, the struggle continues.

[@alexanderleatherman]

It's insidious the way marketers are going beyond people who have problems products may have helped and are just reaching for any people with a contemporary situation and use it to garner buyers.

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

Unless you don’t pass, then you’re Republican enemy number one.

[@DebbieGarciaa]

I have not actually read Lily Cade's transphobic rant before and... wow. It's exactly the type of projecting that actual sexual predators do.

[@mikalin9286]

As someone who had never before heard of Lily Cade, I just. Ah what a vile person.

[@SuzanneDeniseB]

Same. Im floored .

[@rfrolicarts]

It's terrifying

[@CorwinFound]

It's beyond shocking. And that the BBC would refuse to remove an article where she was quoted is extraordinary. They removed her quotes only but left the rest of the article up. Cade's history of assault was pointed out by at least one person interviewed for the article and still it went up with Cade and all. When one of the largest and widely read news agencies on the planet will blithely spread hate so shamelessly it is impossible to not see it as an active assault against transgender people.

[@andreakoroknai1071]

there has to be something very wrong with her, I mean wtf? not that I'm a fan of transphobia in any capacity, this is not your run-of-the-mill "I want to menstruate into the earth and become one with the goddess" and the woo-woo "stop medicalizing female bodies" type crap, this is...well it's somethin' else

[@BlueSupermoon20]

I mean the cognitive dissonance…he left the chapelle show primarily because he didn’t feel like being the butt of lazy and shallow jokes about race. Now he makes lazy and shallow jokes about The trans community and calls them sensitive. It’s not sensitivity…it’s self respect and that’s what he supposedly promoted. It was just boring and not funny. The queer community is resilient as fuck and collectively makes hilarious and many times self deprecating jokes but they’re NUANCED and realistic and funny. I don’t understand his double standards. They stem from deep rooted insecurities. He hasn’t gotten over his chapelle show experience. He’s in his joker era and became the very person he resented..lol

[@joshafferon8271]

What are you talking about? He makes jokes about trans people, famous people, black people, white people, asian people, and even amish people. Why aren't y'all mad about all of this? Instead you just focus on the trans jokes

[@happysloth3208]

I’m a ciswoman but I have dealt with severe depression where I was pretty close to harming myself. I don’t really like his comment about describing Daphne. Mainly because it insinuates that cis women are incapable of feeling that way or doing that to themselves. Depression can effect anyone it does not discriminate. Not to mention it was super disrespectful to say that about Daphne and I like dark humor myself but you shouldn’t joke about real people especially when they die in such a tragic manner. Also, I know from experience that it’s absolutely terrifying how much you don’t care for yourself at that point. If it were me I probably couldn’t joke about someone doing that.

[@vainpiers]

There was an incident near my workplace (a place known for gay bars) where a drag queen was harrassed for being in drag and it was a very nasty situation, the police were called and searched the drag Queens and let the harrasser go because he said they were dangerous. It makes me worried about my openly trans friends in the area when we go out after work.

[@vainpiers]

It also makes me think I should talk to my brother who's experimenting with gender expression about people who might hurt him for looking different. But i also dont want to scare him away from exploring gender and gender expression.

[@theegginthepantry365]

@@vainpiers It's definitely worth talking to him about it. Make it clear that some people are hateful of things and people they don't understand, that that doesn't make (expressing yourself/exploring your identity) it wrong. Let him know that there's no guarantee that it'll cause him harm but he needs to be prepared because some people might try to shame or harass him for it.

[@meandkitty8387]

Please talk to him about it. I was raised very sheltered and didn't understand how real queerphobia is, and I wish someone had told me to be more careful in public, even if that reality is harmful in itself

[@lpphillyfan]

Shit. Where was this?

[@circleoffinnishjerks4982]

A person I followed on the web for over a decade is a straight cis man, but has talked about an experience where a group of men beat him up on the street because he wears skintight, often pink and some would say "effeminate or androgynous" clothes sometimes. Like some dudebros just assumed he must be gay and assaulted him. It is among the many reasons he speaks very loudly against bigotry. He may not be part of the communities he defends but he has nontheless seen the severity of what it can be like to end up being targeted. (He also has a disability, so he is not completely out of the loop when it comes to being marginalized.)

[@XxVeexX19]

I think the issue with Dave is that he has no experience with BIPOCs who are also LGBTQ. The experience is vastly different and we are not offered the same privileges he's observing in the greater LGBTQ community. Therefore his analysis of what is occurring is shortsighted at best.

[@nerdfantasyxox]

So why does he feel the need to outright lie and exaggerate his experiences with trans people in this manner? This is deliberate. It’s pretty evil…

[@Tcrror]

@@nerdfantasyxox He also says that his problem is corporate interests, and then he talks to trans people DIRECTLY and says "you will not summon me. We can meet, but I have some demands." Excuse me? WTF?

[@CatRockk]

@@nerdfantasyxox I'm gonna get crucified for this, but this is common in the cis/straight black community. ( When it comes to gay people ). I've always seen the backtracking, saying that we "sexualize," kids. And, also lying about seeing men in Women's rooms. It's disgusting and it needs to end. And, they usually mask their hatred with White supremacy, religion, and race. They don't see us BIPOC as gay. They just see us as BIPOC and if we want to be identified as "gay," we have to pick a side. Or, we have to be as obvious and "feminine," as possible.

[@nelsonth]

I mean, there are a number of celebrity BIPOC he must definitely know about, like Rupaul, Laverne Cox, Frank Ocean, Lil Nas X etc. Not saying all celebrity BIPOC people know each other, but they are definitely not invisible to him.

[@CatRockk]

@@nelsonth What do all of those people have in common?

[@classycolas]

I said this on Twitter, but I was confused as to why Dave painted Daphne as this resilient figure who could brush it off whenever she bombed on stage or was misgendered yet also painted her as so sensitive that Twitter comments would make her kill herself. I think he kind of insulted her memory by insinuating that she killed herself because trans people were being mean to her (and to him, tbh).

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah I would agree. These just sound like two different people, but I also think that this read of the situation also points out the actual fragility of the matter. You have overtly privileged folks swearing that people want to cancel them, but really whats happening is mild criticism and at worst a call for removal of content that has been universally ignored and ineffective. There's actually a lot of fragility in Dave taking it to this level given what the reality of the matter is. But in this context, it's seen as brave and bold for him to stand against those who oppose him and yet trans people shouldn't do that for themselves and if they do they're sensitive. I find that "sensitive" is a term that tends to be projected onto whoever is getting less love in that moment.

[@laurentsaint-laurent3659]

Doesn't he say "it was not the joke" after telling about Daphne's suicide? I think that maybe he's trying to deal with the guilt and shift the blame ...

[@tonyroid1]

He didn't say that Twitter was the reason she killed herself. That's the problem, people don't hear.

[@Drega001]

@@laurentsaint-laurent3659 I think everyone feels a bit guilty

[@QuestionsAnswerz]

@@tonyroid1 They don’t want to hear. Because that means to engage in a constructive conversation and most of the alphabet people wont ever do that. Which is why there is a problem, Americas biggest problem is *race* not sexual orientation. And if you don’t think so then im sorry you cleared didn’t study history or you did but you are very stubborn.

[@t_ylr]

The part where he talked about not "punching down" on him just made me so tired. 😑 Cause like who is he talking to? Not me lol. Like I'm black and queer and he just pretends like we don't exist. I don't know if it's a genuine blind spot or a deliberate omission so that his serious points in the special make sense.

[@randomenvelope]

hes talking about comedians, sure you can argue that there can be consequences to being a dick but hes a comedian, its his job to jab at all groups, not fun when there is this sacred group called trans people nobody can poke fun at, however I feel his anger is kinda misguided as what I've seen the mostly problematic ''trans'' activists aren't trans, just white knights which makes the trans community appear as very intolerant and annoying

[@KatBlaque]

@@randomenvelope What about the sacred group called black people? Do you think white comedians get to make fun of black folks without uproar? Come on.

[@t_ylr]

@@randomenvelope I actually really love the Chappelle show. So I'm a fan. I think Dave is talented enough make jokes without whitewashing TERFs or perpetuating harmful stereotypes. I thought the Kaitlyn Jenner joke was funny, but most of the trans stuff felt lazy.

[@JC-yy8iv]

With all the Black trans people with a platform or some semblance of one who have responded to him and patiently tried to educate him… I think it has to be a deliberate move, a sleight of hand to disguise the punching down. And it works on a lot of viewers

[@nelsonth]

It's not a blind spot, from what I seen in accounts of his attitude; he apparently believes that the fact that black LGBTQ people exist is down to Hollywood and a wider cultural plot to devalue the masculinity of and feminize, black men. 🙄

[@kodiecummings2793]

"People who are working through their own biases are more likely to engage with people who comfort them, but don't challenge them." Very well said! This sentence really struck me as someone who's worked through a fair amount of internal bias in her own life, and is still doing the work today. I think a lot of people want to hold flawed, offensive, or even dangerous beliefs about other people and still engage with those people in a way that is not flawed, offensive, or dangerous. They want to have their cake and eat it, too. It's difficult to change beliefs that are long-held and socialized into us, and because they know it's hard work and hard work can be frightening, I think many people as a natural step in the process choose to hold these beliefs and try to find ways to justify them within the communities that these beliefs harm.

[@SmittenandBitten]

Same goes to all you lefties. Hypocrisy is disgusting and yall dripping in it

[@justalostlocal]

@@SmittenandBitten 🚨Projection alert 🚨 Also, didn’t this person (who you labelled as a leftist out of the blue) just said we accept that all of us have things to work through and that’s nothing to feel ashamed about. One of the central thesis of leftist politics is “we live in a pig pan, everyone got mud on them.” Acknowledge your learned prejudices won’t make you a hypocrite when you actually try to improve the world and work on personal shortcomings. Ppl who simply finger points + act high and mighty + think only in black and white on the other hand…Ugh pretty critical. Isn’t that right, my dude? ;)

[@tuckercarlson1220]

@@SmittenandBitten You get 'em sweety.

[@madisonnaisearles5370]

One day we're walking on egg shelves, the next they're taking our shoes away

[@JC-yy8iv]

When I read this I was like “i feel sure this is funny and I want to understand” then Kat got there 😂

[@SeaTheLion]

Shells, not shelves

[@mininabs]

I think something Dave really missed HARD with comparing deaths of transwomen vs black men (and black people in general) is WHO is doing it. It isn't, in large part, transwomen being bullied on twitter and leading to their su*cide. When an unarmed black man is shot and killed, it is often by the state (i.e. cops in some fashion). That should worry everyone and unless you're a bootlicker, it is upsetting to realize just how powerful our police state has become. I honestly think that's what woke a lot of white people up. If the state wants to kill you, they will find a way and will NOT be held to account. When a transwoman is killed, it is usually (not always) by an intimate partner. A lot of people have this idea that transwomen are "tricking" straight men into sex and then getting killed, ignoring the fact that most of these women are being killed by boyfriends and husbands. It's a lot easier to brush that off as "a bad guy" or even point the finger at the woman who was killed. There was a lot in the special I found funny, a lot I disliked, but Dave just seems to not care about the actual differences in experiences and the reactions. Queer people are easily "triggered" and become a "mob" b/c we're tired of seeing the false narrative being projected on us, same as, I imagine, black people are.

[@mv9653]

Also worth noting that police brutality against trans people is less reported on. You don’t hear as much about Kaiden Clarke or Tony McDade.

[@Drega001]

Correct. You can pass when trans. A lot less extrajudicial police....well, you know

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

But do you think Dave really cares about transwomen being killed by intimate partners or black women... it doesn't fit his narrative of being the biggest victim

[@DigitalRag3X]

Either by police or by other black peoples but we not ready for that

[@emily-hj2hh]

@@mv9653 it's also worth mentioning that the trans people who get killed are most likely Black or Indigenous. It's not trans people vs Black people. The intersection is incredibly oppressed, and race has always been gendered and gender racialized. The idea you can fight racism w toxic masculinity and patriarchy is just simply false, beyond being harmful to white and BIPOC trans people it's also harmful to Black cis people too.

[@mgabss]

"It's almost like this isn't a conversation about protecting women from sexual assault, as much as it is a conversation about assigning predatory behaviour to trans women" YES, YES, YES.It's exactly the same thing when the debate is about trans women and whether they belong in men's or women's prison/jail.

[@30seagullsinatrenchcoat11]

I wonder if any of these people crying out about the dangers of trans women prisoners are involved in efforts to help cis-women in prisons who are sexually assaulted by cisgender guards and other personnel? Highly doubt it, especially since whenever someone is abused in a prison, their go-to response is "Well, it wouldn't have happened if they hadn't broken the law in the first place." It really is all about demonizing trans women and nothing to do with concern for victims.

[@mgabss]

@@30seagullsinatrenchcoat11 EXACTLY

[@beetlebob4675]

I wonder if any of those people EVER give a single thought to young boys who use the public men's room alongside p3d0z literally all the time. But no. It's only about the girls being confronted by someone who needs to poop. Like. Any man who wants to victimize a child in a restroom literally just has to go into the same room they've always used. Throwing on a costume is not a consistent, realistic behavior of predators.

[@moustik31]

Right? I'm a survivor of sexual assault. Transphobic activists dont care a f*rt about us and our safety. They just want to capitalise our pain to score points vs. trans women. It's manipulative, dangerous and disgusting.

[@beetlebob4675]

@@deee3950 @@deee3950 Age doesn't prevent assault. I work at a restaurant. I see boys using the restroom alone all the time. Sometimes they're very young, and sometimes they're not. It's irrelevant. If women are so worried for their girls, their teens, their own selves, why are ANY women using the bathroom alone? Maybe we should all bring our moms into the stall, just in case??? I'm 30 now, but i pass as 21, i should probably make sure my mom is with me at all times. Trans women are WOMEN, Ma'am. They aren't men. They don't use the men's room. Men do. Predatory men can easily find their quarry in the room they already fucking use. I have shared a bathroom with a trans woman. You know what happened?? WE BOTH TOOK A DAMN PISS, MA'AM. Stop. Assigning. Potential. Assault. To. The. Trans. Community. They. Aren't. Responsible. For. Abuse. From. Pedophiles. You're mad at PEDOPHILES AND ABUSERS.

[@cchapman3193]

Anytime anyone distrusts your perspective or accuses you of being offended, I always have to laugh because it’s so clear they haven’t actually listened through more than 10 seconds of your videos. Excellent video as always

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah I kinda wish people understood the amount of strength it takes for me to be who I am, do what I do and talk about what I talk about all with an even face. I've bene through a lot of shit and it's pretty laughable to think that Dave or any comedian would say something so offensive that it would unravel me. Like... that's not me as a person and I think that's clear to most people who actually hear me.

[@cchapman3193]

@@KatBlaque Absolutely. I really admire your strength 🖤 I'm sure it's not easy

[@SuzanneDeniseB]

I absolutely agree.

[@Robstafarian]

@@KatBlaque Some people seem like they have a need to imagine that other people are fragile. My own father is that way toward me, which is beyond fucked up given what he has seen me endure.

[@jadoisready]

A lot of the time those same people haven't even watched the source material that's being spoken about. Which is even funnier to me.

[@raptoress6131]

Very insightful video. Another issue is, is that Dave was in a sort of mentorship position towards Daphne. He let her open a show, when she was a beginner comedian with no career. She was not in a position to critizise him, because it could have destroyed her career prospects.

[@va.spider]

She wasn't a beginner comic with no career. She'd been acting and doing comedy at least since 1996. She was regularly doing shows in San Francisco.

[@Fixtheproblemwithgoodpolicy]

This! And nobody with less than a handful of open mic sets is ready to do a 45 minute set let alone open for Dave Chappelle. Improv is very different from stand up.

[@firstlastlastfirst7143]

Dave is willfully ignorant to power dynamics when he is the one with the power, how convenient.

[@julydays4194]

@@firstlastlastfirst7143 I've been a big fan of Chappelle since I was a kid. I couldn't finish his last special. It seemed so focused on the Trans backlash. Yea, I mightve chuckled at his Trans jokes in previous specials, but they never made me dislike or think negatively of Trans people. A lot of guys tend to show disgust or ask if you would date this woman before revealing her to be a Transwoman when the subject comes up. I've always thought thats not cool. Live and let live. Unfortunately, Ive grown to feel there's such a sense of entitlement from the Trans community that I just can't get with anymore. You have Lia Thomas breaking every girls record in swim meets, beating 2nd place finishers by 40 seconds. She shows no remorse and is happy she isn't finishing where she was a couple years ago when she was a man. What should've been a one time trans joke about Caitlyn Jenner turned into subject matter for every special since. Dave's made jokes about Asians, whites, blacks, Mexicans, and unified every race with his humor. Trans people weren't being singled out by him. If anything, they were getting equal treatment like the rest of us from him. Trans people seemingly only care about what they want without considering how it may make others feel. That goes for debates pertaining to restrooms, locker rooms, sports, and apparently humor. I've never felt so bigoted in my life and I hate to lump all Trans people together, but it's how I feel. You guys made me not like my favorite comics work and you seemingly don't care about the biological differences that come with being Trans. I treat all people the same at the end of the day, but someone needs to call out the BS that all groups sometimes have. Preferably from within their respective groups.

[@lindenshepherd6085]

Sounds like you should watch FD Signifier’s video on Dave chapelle. There’s a difference between how he jokes about black people and other POC versus how he jokes about trans people. It sounds like you really like this guy and were surprised by the backlash he faced for this special. Whether or not you personally felt your perspective on trans people was validated by Chapelle, there clearly are people who do feel that way, considering how some fans reacted to this backlash. It can be hard to grapple with how a person you admire says one thing and acts on internal bias that go against his own espoused beliefs, but it’s important to look at the substance of what he’s being criticized for and acknowledge how his trans jokes differ from his race ones. I personally didn’t like how he brought up JK Rowing and, because most people already don’t do research on her before supporting her stances, validated her terrible opinions of trans people.

[@alexreith4877]

My ex-GF is a trans comic who would absolutely have done whatever Chappelle asked and laughed and cheered at the jokes at her own expense as well as make her own, then go home and cry and privately anguish about it because an opportunity to perform and gain the influence of someone as famous as Dave Chappelle was too good an opportunity to pass up even as it was doing severe psychological damage to herself. I can imagine it going similarly for Daphne.

[@troubleshooter12z]

I feel that’s a stretch, in the sticks and stones special Daphne was just a patron who came to the shows. Dave didn’t even have a friendship with her or knew she was and inspiring comic till after the show when he decided to go speak to her at the bar. That means she was there of her free will enjoying those jokes. It wasn’t till way later down the line Dave offered her a chance to perform but by that time she had already seen 3 of his shows. So no I don’t believe she engaged in what you described. The way Dave describes her throughout the two specials shows she was stronger snd tougher then she looked. She just reached her breaking point at some point and decided to end it all.

[@bulgna]

@@troubleshooter12z I think liking his comedy as a spectator of his show doesn't mean that she liked the specific situation she was put in like the butt of the joke. We we'll never know what was going on in her head regarding this specific situation but the original assumption is just as valid as yours

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@troubleshooter12z it sounds like people around her consistently underestimated her vulnerability, seeing as how they're all acting surprised she unalived herself. That's not strength. Thats someone who was slowly dying inside and nobody noticing. Just because Chapelle didn't know she was a comic didn't mean her career aspirations wouldn't have influenced her to be more friendly/accepting towards Chapelle than she truly felt. Ultimately, we'll never know. And that's the true tragedy - Daphne can no longer speak for herself.

[@dogblessamerica]

@@troubleshooter12z As you say she was an aspiring comic, she had reason to stick around because Dave is, after all, the GOAT. That does not mean the performance of laughing at herself couldn't have been taking a toll. I knew a fat kid at school who always seemed fine with people making jokes about his weight, would join in with it to an extent. Looking back I wonder if joining in was his way of dealing with the bullying, which was pretty harsh and relentless. Point is, he shouldn't have to, there are other things we can find humour in other than going after people's vulnerabilities.

[@sunilsameer1080]

You can imagine it being similar because you think all trans women are alike, but we aren't! We aren't some monolith!!

[@elfy_642]

Hi Kat, I just wanna thank you for you use of the background music as emphasis and an auditory cue- I often listen to KZbin as background, but usually important or interesting topics, and it can be hard to follow people's arguments sometimes since I'm not watching- I'm listening. This was really helpful for me as a viewer to stay tuned in tighter to your message

[@KatBlaque]

Aw thank you for that feedback, I'm trying really hard to do more of that lately.

[@olivethunderbird]

Same here! I find Kats videos to be one of the few that I can listen to without getting frustrated. Also why I was pretty happy true tea became a podcast!

[@Lexi_Zone]

"I'm not transphobic, I'm just team Trans Exclusionary." Yeah can't imagine why trans people would have a problem with that.

[@Robstafarian]

Dave Chappelle's characterization of TERF rhetoric as "gender is a fact" is as misleading as it would be to say that the KKK claim "race is a fact", never mind that the phrase "gender is a fact" is both disingenuous and irrelevant to the matter being discussed. He pulled a move straight from Fox News, and that is pretty damn disappointing in itself.

[@slotheatworld]

@Lokie Thunder How do you respond to black people who actually want segregation, then? There's segregation in colleges in America right now.

[@slotheatworld]

@@Robstafarian ....Gender is binary, and cannot be changed. That's ridiculous to compare people who understand that, to people from the KKK. If you live your life by radicals, you'll never know truth or friendship. Demonizing people who disagree with you, don't help your bad argument. Js.

[@homerj.simpson2513]

@@slotheatworld sex is closer to binary, gender is a social construct. Sex is the dna you're born with. Therefore, there isn't really a limit on gender.

[@homerj.simpson2513]

@@slotheatworld and on segregation... America only recently came out of that, so there are gonna be people who see that as the answer since the US is so bad at Integration. Its more a symptom of frustration.

[@tempesttossed6029]

People have a telling habit of attacking others with the same weapons that have been used on them first. For the person in the BBC article, I can guarantee that she, as a lesbian, was also levied by religious "burning in hell" types of comments before spewing them at others. It's what hurts them most so they assume it's the best way to hurt others. Just the same as Dave does when he adds onto the narrative that trans women are dangerous (as has been said of black men for a century). The problem is that instead of looking inward first and coming to terms with their own pain and baggage, they perpetuate the cycle.

[@moustik31]

This struck me as well. TERFs have no valid points, only hatred and prejudices.

[@tempesttossed6029]

Whoever left a comment, it's flagged and I am unable to see it. Sorry, friend.

[@joshuahitchins1897]

"For the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house." -Audre Lorde

[@moustik31]

@@joshuahitchins1897 Thanks for this amazing quote!!!

[@vaughn_erich]

Right and the cis/straight people who are anti-trans you might align yourself with on “team terf” now….SURPRISE might also be queer-phobic and racist…who woulda thunk? 🙄

[@erikapapi]

overdramatizing and victimizing himself for the sake of his narrative feels right on point. it stopped me in my tracks and hit my heart when you said most of the trans women who are killed look like you, AND most of the men who kill them look like dave. that’s the piece that’s been bothering me the most. by the way coming across your video has made me more responsible and caring. Thank You for you.

[@medarby3066]

The majority of people who are killed that look like Dave are killed by people who look like Dave. Are we seriously delving into B on B violence? Because that is white supremacist to talk about.

[@ryanstarz708]

This is absurd lol how can a black transgender not have a problem with someone making fun of black people but only focus on the sexual orientation such a disgrace

[@erikapapi]

@@medarby3066 Love, there’s nuance to this that’s really important. the point she made in the video is that trans women are being killed by intimate partners. Black men who are involved romantically with trans women often have a lot of unresolved judgments imposed on them, a big one being that they aren’t with “real” women and therefor what does that say about them. all of this of course ties together to the bigger point she also made in the video, which is that Dave is being willfully ignorant at best and promoting the kinds of beliefs that lead to this dynamic. i’ll also add that we’re in a time where our chances of actually hearing each other and moving in harmony relies a lot on our ability to perceive nuance or at least be curious enough about what someone is saying to develop that perception. the nuance opens up better conversations and helps us focus in on the actual disconnect that can be repaired. it can start with simply having enough respect for someone to listen intently and openly to the points they share about THEIR lived experience and then be willing to sit with that discomfort. with that, this point about the Black community, trans community, and intimate partner violence would have been clear and not seen as a surface level Black on Black violence thing. hope this helps. bless.

[@jeevesgeech6836]

@@erikapapi Crime rates on trans people might have gone up cause of the defund the police... less police= more crime. I think its something like 90% of trans women don't get the bottom surgery I don't really get the ''intimate partner'' belief... some people are monsters and will harm people just on their own beliefs. Maybe I didn't explain that last bit properly but my problem with the trans community is that they take these jokes at full face value...they focus on the trans aspect of his special then some and complain about it for him to get canceled or what not these are jokes, whether you agree or disagree once the show is over any human will just go back to having a normal life. He also insults asians and jews, why don't they get as offended as trans people?

[@psychedelicpsychosis6954]

@@jeevesgeech6836 I need some proof on that correlation between the "defund the police" and crime stats against trans.

[@dictionarygoat9156]

My only real problem with the special are the people who treat Dave Chapelle's story and South Park episodes comparable to the lived experiences of trans people and can therefore insert themselves into conversations as if they're experts

[@KatBlaque]

Yep. that's part of the problem. That he barely knew her, but is given credit for knowing her and that overwrites his actual friends and family's experiences with Daphne is a great example of how cis folk's basic, passing knowledge is treated as far more valid than the actual material reality we live.

[@QuestionsAnswerz]

@@KatBlaque barely? She was his opening act 🤦 listen if you don’t like what he had to say then say that then but the point he had truly came across. What you are doing right now trying to cancel him is what he expected from your community to do. Instead of you know do what his job is, make you laugh. If you actually believe that PC comedy is something people want then im sorry to tell you, you won’t be happy to hear the truth. Dave Chapelle is the GOAT because he makes the kind of jokes we all want to hear but this kind of over analyzing is killing comedy and as we know if we don’t laugh we cry.

[@nelsonth]

@@QuestionsAnswerz let's see Dave Chapelle's support of white comedians telling n-word jokes then

[@HoneyD109]

@@QuestionsAnswerz ah yes screaming ‘cancel’ at the slightest criticism. and yeah barely, because she opened for him does not mean they were close. business relationships are much different than friendships, and regardless of their relationship it’s distasteful to even suggest he has some sort of authority on how she felt when she’s no long around to speak for herself.

[@pizzadogma]

@@QuestionsAnswerz grow up

[@hdubbs9174]

I was not prepared for that Lily Cade rant. To write something like that you’d have to be completely off the rails… like I don’t even get how you’d be so unhinged and bigoted. It was like a Q-drop 🌈f o r t e r f🌸

[@pjaypender1009]

Yeah, the first time I saw it, I was stunned. I had been advised by a cis friend not to look at it, but I thought "How bad could it be? I've seen transphobia before." Yeah, no. I was not prepared and I don't think it's possible to be prepared for it if you're trans.

[@villapulla]

That was beyond disgusting. It also feels disheartening that sexual assault is used like an excuse for transphobia which also trivialises the issue, it's just awful all around

[@hdubbs9174]

@@pjaypender1009 I'm a cis woman and pretty sheltered with certain regards, but it's baffling to me to read something so hateful.

[@pjaypender1009]

@@hdubbs9174 I think the part cis people just can't *feel* is that she says she would like to kill us with her own hands. My cis friends don't seem to fully grasp how literally frightening that is. She and others like her are just walking around. We could be standing right next to them at Starbucks, and they're willing to kill us. That's a step up from just "wanting someone dead." She wants to personally kill strangers she doesn't know because of their gender. It's frightening.

[@alisonmercer5946]

@@pjaypender1009 it is frightening , truly terrifying. and I'm sorry this is happening I know my sorry isnt much but I hate what's happening and pushing this rhetoric isn't just a different opinion, it's dangerous . Saying blue is a prettier color than red and someone arguing red Is prettier is a difference in opinion. Certain people wanting certain other groups of people dead is not just an opinion. or something anyone should even give debate to or trying to make it sound like just harmless opinions as if the group who is hated on just need to talk to these other people. Jfc. . Idk how people can't understand that it's dangerous and evil

[@cravidana1182]

Oh Kat, the way you speak. You have a way with words, and not that I'm trying to seem important, but I'm a writer, and I envy you. I understand your frustration. "Why can't they see it? It's so clear. Why don't they get it?" I find myself very frustrated when I try to have these conversations because it's always the same thing. People regurgitate the same old arguments, try to hide their prejudice behind easy-to-swollow/palatable justifications and, because they have power, real power, they are believed. The fact that Chapelle has zero expertise, his arguments make zero sense, but he is still believed and applauded just shows us who has power and who doesn't.

[@alisonmercer5946]

Exactly 💯

[@Hubcool367]

Argument regurgitating indeed :( and it applies to so many issues, it would take all of 30 seconds of research to see how wrong, short-sighted and harmful those disgusting points of view are. I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they're simply ignorant, but they never come to these conversations with the humility of someone out of their depth, eager or at least open to the idea of getting educated. They spew this word vomit with the confidence and rigidity of people who have decades of expertise. So maddening

[@the_glamest_fuckgirl773]

Y'all need to understand that us as trans women who transitioned over a decade ago have had every insult hurled at us. We don't get our feelings hurt as easily. So I'm not surprised Kat isn't offended. I wasn't offended either. It ain't nothing we have not heard before. Now as for the Daphne situation, Kat says it perfectly throughout this video. Dave Chappelle is being divisive for no reason

[@julydays4194]

Kat also says she doesn't even know what the first trans joke was. The backlash from that one joke, which personally didn't make me more transphobic, led to Chappelle addressing the trans community in every special since. It's to the point that I couldn't even finish his last special because that's what he's mainly addressing. I'm a little annoyed that this community effectively made Dave less funny. He feels he has to defend himself instead of just being himself and moving on to the next subject. My counter point to Kat saying he speaks of Daphne like white people do when they say they have a black friend is that you never see the black friend come out and say the white person's not racist. Daphne defended the artistry, and even though Dave clearly exaggerated the extent to which Daphne felt bullied, as someone who has contemplated suicide, I feel the negativity she kept addressing wears on you. At the same time, it's distracting enough to keep you going til it's not.

[@julydays4194]

@Audrey Jensen He addressed the current climate, which is what great comedians do. The backlash itself is what led to his response. Maybe he isn't as sensitive as you wish, but at the end of the day, you have males who transition to females across a broad spectrum. Some of the jokes are a matter of if the shoe fits. Lia Thomas is breaking every female record in swim meets, beating her opponents by 40 seconds, which is unheard of. She's been a woman for maybe 2 years of her life. There's no sense of remorse or sensitivity towards the lifelong women who have trained their asses off only to lose to someone who couldn't win in the men's meets just a couple years prior. There is a difference, and what Dave is addressing needs to be addressed, PC culture be damned. I understand and have seen the prejudice the trans community faces. It's unfortunate and it seems to be mostly older men, but I think most men feel uncomfortable seeing transwomen as women, especially when it's being forced as such. He explains the situation as hilarious that a woman is "trapped" in a man's body, yet he sympathizes. This isn't enough for seemingly much of the Trans community, who want to be seen 100% as the gender they identify as. To do so would mean to ignore the reality of the situation. There isn't an I'm right, you're wrong matter here. All feelings are valid, but to sugarcoat it would mean to be dishonest about it.

[@CaribbeanAtheist1978]

@@julydays4194 - (trans) women have already existed since ancient times, and have already been viewed/seen as women in most Indigenous tribes. I am so sick and tired of a lot of you "woke adults". (trans) *WOMEN, especially of color,* are *still getting murdered* by *black/brown straight "men"* and that was hardly an issue before pale-skinned colonialism existed. There's nothing "hilarious" about "a woman trapped in a man's body", and he does not sympathize. Just like your brainwashed, insensitive, uneducated, "woke" @ss. I flipping dare you to respond back to me!!!!

[@CaribbeanAtheist1978]

@@julydays4194 - "With an educational system that purposely misinforms and indoctrinates young people to respond as Skinnerian rats to a positive reinforcement schedule of operant conditioning, children as future adults are being shaped and programmed to become little robots easily controlled by their oligarch masters." - Article - "The Dumbing Down of America - By Design".

[@CaribbeanAtheist1978]

@@julydays4194 - "Transgender people (including non-binary and third gender individuals) have *existed in cultures worldwide since ancient times."* - *Wikipedia*

[@RoscoSea]

A positive antidote: My school turned one of the teacher bathrooms into a bathroom open to any student, and one of our students that didn't feel comfortable using gendered bathrooms is now able to eat and drink normally because they know they have a bathroom to use. It has been lovely, and all kinds of students use the bathroom for various reasons.

[@kieranmahon4382]

13:09 Oh, definitely. Dave was one hundred percent using the "I've gotta a [insert minority X here] friend" defense, and I can't believe he lacked the self awareness to see it.

[@jasminewaldo7045]

Yeah I wish more than anything in this situation that Dave would have looked more into what a TERF really is before publicly aligning and therefore further empowering them.

[@QuestionsAnswerz]

What if it’s just his opinion and nothing else to it?

[@jasminewaldo7045]

@@QuestionsAnswerz like as in what if he truly aligns himself with the idea that trans people should be killed? Then I guess he’d be even more deserving of the backlash he’s received. I don’t get the vibe that he was very familiar with the terf ideology given his definition or depiction of them in his special was not very accurate. But I suppose it could be intentionally misleading and glazed over as that is what TERFs tend to do when defining their own beliefs.

[@QuestionsAnswerz]

@@jasminewaldo7045 Killed what the fuck are you talking about? Why is it y’all mash comedy with killing together? People usually don’t kill because of sexual orientation anymore, they kill because of race politics i mean this is America. This country the world actually has a problem of white supremacy. They actually are more aline in what you say about extreme ideology in ways of killing undesirable which sexual orientation is priority. They are the real enemies not Dave fucking Chapelle like dark humor is not real life it’s just jokes made up to make you laugh and entertained but yes it can go far like if it’s coming from a bad place like stereotypes for example sometimes it’s funny and sometimes it’s not. Depends on the situation and person makin’ it. Maybe the problem is y’all don’t know Dave Chapelle maybe if ya did we would be laughing together.

[@jasminewaldo7045]

@@QuestionsAnswerz I’m sorry I think there’s a misunderstanding here. I’m not talking about what Dave said, I’m talking about the TERF ideology that Dave aligned himself with in his special. Did you watch this video? Did you see some of the examples of TERF sentiment? Those sentiments are exactly why I think that Dave is unaware of what TERFs actually stand for, as I do not believe he would condone their statements or actions against trans people.

[@QuestionsAnswerz]

@@jasminewaldo7045 Oh i see well i read what you wrote and i clearly saw a juxtaposition in comedy and kill. My bad, but yeah he’s team TERF he believes trans are not real women like beyond meat is not real meat. That’s his opinion tho that doesn’t mean he wants trans people dead no it means that cis-women have these opinions and Dave agrees with this opinion these women have he didn’t make it up it already was a thing. Now what does that mean for trans, nothing but something to clear up misconceptions. But i guess trans ppl already know this and it’s why they call themselves trans-women as apposed to just women i guess I don’t know.

[@spmcdill]

So many people can't comprehend the fact that the intense criticism against celebrities like Dave is not really about them individually, but moreso the influence that they wield to lead their fans into bigotry.

[@ghostophelia2245]

Idk if I'm personally offended. Just sad that someone so ignorant can make such a huge impact. Someone who speaks out against injustices on black people but then turns around and uses the same ignorant rhetoric racists use, using it on the LGBT

[@ciarancooper394]

Honestly, Kat. It's unfair for you to be this pretty and also such an effective and smart commentator. Save some talent for the rest of us.

[@jewels3400]

Honestly tho. She's making me look bad.

[@yesminogue23]

I thought I was fairly familiar with TERF rhetoric (Edit for clarity: as in I thought I had seen the worst of it), but I honestly have never, personally, read/seen/heard anything like what Lily Cade wrote. I think it actually might be one of the vilest things I've ever seen, I had to pause the video.

[@mayaneff3728]

Same. My mouth dropped in disgust

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

She said the quiet part aloud. It's basically a Trumpian lack of a filter.

[@stuckinthelazycorneragain4016]

It's incredibly disturbing how saying or thinking those things would ever even occur to a person. Absolutely disgusting.

[@dionysus9876]

I had to skip forward!

[@noctema3171]

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 it is not even the quiet part, really, it is what many trans people get thrown in our faces by TERF's every day. What it is though, is the generally less seen rethoric they use, when they are not either in their own spaces or interacting with trans people. also, sorry for the late reply.

[@ellebarron7112]

It's honestly so disgusting he talks about her as if she's just a friend. He gave her massive opportunity and offered coaching. He was a mentor. The relationship was not a normal power dynamic. Of course someone would say the jokes don't matter if they were opening for Dave Chapelle after a few shows

[@IceQeen1011]

?? So mentors can't be friends now? What the hell is this comment?

[@lightishredgummi]

@@IceQeen1011 where did you get that idea? they're saying that she wasn't just one of his buddies, there was a power imbalance AS WELL, and it was much more likely that she would put up a front around him to impress him as a mentor, it would have been much less likely if they were ONLY friends

[@justalostlocal]

@@IceQeen1011 reading comprehension clearly failed or you just have a bone to pick, acting so sensitive.

[@Hunting4truth]

​@@IceQeen1011 Its one of those things regardless of the facts or history since Daphne is dead, she cant defend herself so its going to be the new narrative regardless of what her parents and family have said people who claim to know her or dont are going to make any and every excuse to continue to widen the divide. People refuse to take jokes and will die on their "Wrong and strong" hills. Just keep in mind these people can have opinions and battles they care for i just make sure to keep note because when its in reference to things connected to me i tell them to keep out i dont want the same toxic energy to infect racial issues that concern me or things to do with my sexuality. will it stop these crazy people from trying to do the thing they hate and label me? no way because they are all the abusers they claim to be fight constantly. no self reflection just exposed nerves and anger.

[@Hunting4truth]

@@justalostlocal you sound mean

[@NoodleMcGee]

Saying what I said on FD Signifier's Dave video. As a white, CIS, het man I can't comment on a lot of the controversy. Not my place to speak for anyone as to what they feel is over the line. As a comedy fan, what I do feel I can comment on is that a lot of The Closer just felt super lazily constructed, hacky, and poorly thought out for a man who refers to himself as the GOAT in the special itself. I used to give Dave a lot of leeway because his bits - while probably offensive to someone - didn't detract overmuch from the special as a whole, but this didn't reach that level. This just felt like him throwing bricks because his feelings were hurt by the backlash he'd gotten so far.

[@TititoDeBologay]

I had the same feeling. At times, He felt like an old men who is overwhelmed and don't know how to navigate certain social matters. And At times, that man looked like He was scared to be irrelevant.

[@frostjeff]

If there is a GOAT it's clearly Pryor. Dave is out of step with 2021. Imagine how bigoted he will be seen by 2031, 2041, 2051, etc. Unless he really slams on the breaks and turns the car around his legacy will be synonymous with transphobia over time. He will be regarded the same way we regard Andrew Dice Clay now (if you even know who Clay is).

[@dionysus9876]

All the way agree!

[@justalostlocal]

@@frostjeff He will be on the same level as jk Rowling, scared, relevant only through bigotry and encased in their cozy millions.

[@luiysia]

he is getting lazy asf

[@cremetangerine82]

Thanks for giving Daphne Dorman her respect, because Dave sure didn’t. As someone who has lost two family members to suicide, it’s not helpful to describe their suicide as “gangsta shit” or manly and falsely claiming it was caused by the “woke Twitter mob”, but not by much more complicated and complex reasons.

[@dariam.zeretzkialiendre3421]

I was not ready for the TERF text. It was blackpill incel level. I have no words. That was so dehumanizing to hear. And i am cis. I can only imagine how that must feel when you are actually trans.

[@ShinyAvalon]

I was trying to remember what the TERF text reminded me of, and you nailed it. It was, indeed, exactly like reading a blackpill incel rant.

[@danbo409]

honestly it's a lot of looking around wondering how other trans people don't go full joker mode on TERFs and then getting banned on social media for mildly insulting them when they pick fights

[@noctema3171]

sorry for the late reply. honestly, that rant was not too much worse than their general level of hate against us, especially if you know what the consequences of their more common talking points are. the, in my experience, big thing about that rant was that Lilly Cade was slightly more explicit about her end goals than most transphobes. lack of access to women's toilets, which is a very common transphobic talking point, has the following probems. just off the top of my head: restricted access to healthcare, social life and mobility, restricted access to education and work, even higher chance of violence and sexual abuse, sometimes even serious health issues from having to hold back on drinking water and eating food while outside your house. All that, from just being denied ONE of our rights. then we have healthcare, safe shelters for intimate partner violence, mental health, gender affirming care (cis people, especially cis men, can usually get this care by at most going to their GP), among a whole host of other problems. so, yeah, I am genuinely afraid for my life when it comes to any TERF, not just the Lilly Cade level of insanity.

[@cyt8284]

During your watch along (previous video), I didn't actually think any of his jokes were funny. They seemed too immature and not as deep as he seemed to act like they were. He came across as someone who doesn't genuinely understand women or BIPOC LGBTQIA experiences.

[@misspeaches1144]

I agree, his material comes off as ignorant and stale, as if he didn’t write anything new since the 90s

[@cyt8284]

@@misspeaches1144 right!?!?!? So stale!

[@theamaeve8175]

They were largely the same jokes that cycled through Reddit in 2014

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

I said this before. I'm not easily offended, but I'm easily bored, and all he did was recycle the same tired old jokes that stopped being funny 30 years ago. People think they're being edgy by repeating the "attack helicopter" joke, or parroting something South Park did over a decade ago. My main reaction to his special was, "OK Boomer." I don't even do stand up, but if I can write better jokes than you in 5 seconds flat, then you're doing something wrong.

[@seancompton5393]

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 who do you find funny? And can I hear some of your jokes

[@kill4551]

It's crazy to me how similar the J.K.Rowling and the Dave Chappelle situations are. They both espouse transphobic rhetoric, they both create plausible deniability by invoking a 'trans friend', they both play the victim when their provocative and intentionally hurtful rhetoric provokes and hurts people. Contrapoints did a great job of dissembling Rowling's facade and Kat does a great job with untangling the intersection of transphobia, privilege, and race that Chappelle is using here. Really appreciate this video. We're lucky to have people like Kat and Natalie who can speak so clearly on why this stuff is so painful and dishonest.

[@ramonaflowers2813]

Is this Daphne story real? I just can't believe a comedian punch line is my one trans friend killed herself and it was because of bullies from trans community but look at my holier than thou and empathetic self threw money at her years after she's dead.

[@MayorOfEarth79]

Watch Kat's short video on Daphne that's like a minute long, that gives you the detail. The best thing you could say is that Daphne met Dave at a comedy club (because Daphne laughed at the transphobic jokes), Dave let Daphne open for him, she bombed, Dave helped her come back but told more transphobic jokes to share a bond as comedians. That's really as far as their relationship goes. Any claim that Dave was her best friend is highly exaggerated.

[@anjaxtv]

HOW can someone pin one minority against another!? Especially since he is a part of a marginalised group. Way to go Dave .....

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

It's what people in positions of power and privilege have done throughout history. They don't want different marginalized groups working together and uniting against the powerful, so the division is sown on purpose.

[@justalostlocal]

@sayvar44 Indeed, a way to go Dave……

[@radrose4864]

When I first saw his special, I also laughed at some of the jokes and had an emotion horrified response to learning of daphne’s passing at the end. So I thought it wasn’t as bad as people were saying. But after watching your video and also giving myself time to think it over, I realized how manipulative and exploitative Dave’s show really is. He is deliberately weaponizing someone’s tragedy (someone who can no longer speak for themself) for his own defense. It’s unconscionable.

[@lalalakachow316]

personally i struggle when people tell me “well it’s better then it was when i was growing up” because (again just for me personally) it’s gone from people openly talking to me about it and asking questions to talking behind my back, if anything people r just to scared to say it to ur face now they just say and do it all behind ur back or in a non blatant way but again that’s just my personal experience

[@jackielehman8945]

I hate when people say this too, like because its slightly better we are supposed to stop doing better? Palease...

[@Pensnmusic]

It's not always better if it's hidden. There's a lot of factors. The far right and it's decentralized internet based networks of influence are not helping.

[@KatBlaque]

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[@Rafrob77]

I think when he said stop punching down on my people it was comedians not black people

[@ramonaflowers2813]

Ngl I love Dave Chappelle but at a certain point when you constantly pick on a group of people you seem not only like a bully but prejudiced. I just felt like I couldn't watch the new special it just seems like one of the main points is ohhhh I am poking fun at LGBTQ community again like really. And the particular hate I can't describe it as anything else he has for trans women is truly disturbing

[@themaggattack]

Thank you for pointing out that Daphne (as told by Dave) is a *character.* Yes, she was a real person, but in Dave's narrative, she is only a character. Kat, you are so eloquent and thorough.

[@FusionDelAcier]

I thought the lgbt and trans jokes were distasteful and were coming from a place of wilful ignorance. Didn't bother me that much but i'm not gonna sit here and say he wasn't transphobic. that would just be untrue. however the reveal that his trans friend commited unalive floored me. THE DISRESPECT of using someone he called A FRIEND to further his narrative that he's 100% correct about everything is disgusting. When that person is not around to speak for themselves. And like you mentionned in your reaction video, i highly doubt Daphne was internally ok with being called a man, even for jokes. Dave using a dead person's name in this manner upsets me 100 times more than him being ignorant and a jackass

[@BinaBecker]

I'm not offended by Dave Chappelle's jokes, because I don't care about them at all. What offends me is how he, a presumably straight, cisgender, wealthy, influential man, USED A DEAD TRANS WOMAN TO SERVE HIS OWN ENDS. If he'd really been her friend, as he claims, wouldn't he have found a better way to support her, or at the very least, refuse to use her as a prop for his own "see, I'm not really the bad guy here, I had a friend who was *this bad thing* " schtick? What he says on stage may be gross, but it isn't nearly as disgusting as what he did when he thought no one was looking. There are so many ways he could have helped Daphne so that she could survive, and he chose not to. But he DID choose to use her, to twist her story to suit HIS story, *after she was dead and could no longer tell her side.* That's just vile.

[@moviejuhlin]

As a member the ruling demographic white straight male. One of the hardest things to come to terms whit is the abuse and hate minority groups deal with. I mean... no one has ever said what Lilly said about my demographic. no one has ever harassed me for being different. no one has called the police on me for just being. So when I first heard of those experiences, I found it hard to believe that it happened. Sometimes I still find it hard to see why and how, some things are offensive So I am thankful that someone take the time to explain some of the nuances I don't get, and your channel is one of the best I've have watched to at least understand a little of what some of my fellow humans go through. So thanks I guess.

[@SM-yz4hi]

as a woman who grew up in a pretty safe area, even i have struggled to relate to/believe the experiences with catcalling and dangerous men that _other women_ have. people of all minority groups are grateful for those like you in the majority who are willing to navigate nuance and listen with empathy. though respecting one another should be a bare minimum, I still want to say thank you for being there for others

[@123critch]

Really appreciate your take on this. Great synthesis of daves history, special, and current affairs. This vid is so well structured; taking the first third to lay the groundwork and get your viewers on the same page, then eviscerating Dave while managing to give him more benefit of the doubt than most would. Taking Dave and putting him in context, using him as a springboard for the bigger fish. I dont know what im saying here. Thank you!

[@heatherlee2967]

++++

[@Zion45005]

I will wholeheartedly admit that I thought Dave Chapelles comedy special was insightful at first. I have felt like people were being too sensitive (Trans community) but when you drew the parallel between racist jokes and trans jokes and the using a trans friend or black friend as a shield that opened my eyes to your pov. I am a black woman and always considered myself pretty supportive of the lgbtq+ community. I felt understood how hard you guys have it in this world. But you have showed me we can ALWAYS learn more and do better. Honestly, I didn't know at first you were trans as I just found your channel. Thank you for sharing your views. You humbled me today, happily so.

[@dawnb1151]

Not sure that the parallels drawn between 'a racist' and 'a transphobe' in this context are being used appropriately. Would a racist have given Dave the opportunity or eulogy that he gave to Daphne? He claimed Daphne as his friend, his tribe, a fellow human and comedian. It was Daphne who said 'he doesn't punch down, he punches lines' and that Dave didn't look down on her. It seems disrespectful for others to now dismiss her words or ascribe them to Dave because they don't suit a narrative. Worse still, to reduce her to being his 'token trans friend' when he already said she was so much more. What IS racist, is the suggestion in the previous video that Dave is 'the yt man of the blk community'. Blk women are not saying that about Dave at all and if they are, it needs setting straight, not repeating. The general reaction I saw was empathy, seen in the comments on Daphne's KZbin and twitter pages since Dave's special. Yes, there were quite a few distasteful 'jokes' in the show, but after listening to Daphne's, I'd say Dave knew her well enough to know she liked that kind of humour. Dave basically held a mirror up and said let's look at ourselves. The show was funny, provocative, insightful, uncomfortable and inclusive. Those pointing at Dave don't see the 3 fingers pointing back. I've seen people labelled as terfs for saying things like 'sex is a fact', that seemed to be what he meant by saying he's 'team terf'. It's OK to be blk and supportive of lgbt people (some are both) but this wasn't just a comedy show. It's a little disappointing that so much of it went over Kat's head. Dave is neither an n word or a transphobe though he claimed both labels to make a wider point. I agree that 'Dave is a master of his craft', but some would rather he stay in the limited lane they perceive to be his.

[@Zion45005]

@@dawnb1151 @Dawn B The transphobe and racist parallel drawn were used quite appropriately imo. Are you black? I ask not to be offensive but because I think most black people would agree with that opinion. Because it is quite possibly for a person with racist ideas to have a black friend who supports and validates those ideas and for that person to still, in fact, be a racist. Because a black person agrees with his or her friend when they say questionable or racist things doesnt mean that what they say is automatically labeled as okay and it doesn't mean any other black person who opposes his statements is "too sensitive" Quite frankly, your lengthy explanation on why you dont think Dave is a transphobe mainly because of the euology he delivered is exactly what she means. I am not saying you are racist but what I am saying is that I can completely agree on hindsight that he in many ways used Daphne as a shield for anyone challenging him on the grounds of making transphobic comments or jokes. Also, Kat distinctly said she didn't think that Dave understood what the trans community thinks of when they hear the words "team terf" and she didnt imply in anyway that he shares those sort of ideas. I think you should go back and hear that part again. I also dont think we can automatically say "so much of what he said went over her head" because she doesn't agree with his tactics in trying to convey his message.

[@sethutkc350]

Kat, despite us having different politics (iirc from your previous work/commentary you do not consider yourself a socialist), I find you to be one of the most insightful voices the trans community has (even as diverse and prone to real disagreement as we are). Thank you especially for your commentary on this special, I have found myself sending it to friends with opinions on both sides of the controversy. In my opinion, the background on Daphne and her life in this video is especially helpful and goes some way to illustrate the more complicated reality of trans acceptance

[@tfox285]

I see so many people claiming victim hood these days when they are often in a position of privilege. I find it ironic that people who have been victimized rarely portray themselves as victims. They often acknowledge the shit they have been through, sometimes downplay it, but they don’t wave it around like a flag or wrap themselves in it like it is an excuse for their poor behavior. But people in a position of power and privilege cry loudly they are victims when they are just getting called to account for their actions.

[@aisha691]

I can’t lie, before I didn’t really understand the backlash and just saw Dave chappelles set as ‘comedy’ but after watching this, it all makes sense. Thanks for this video honestly 🙏🏾

[@Tiababyy]

I just started watching your channel and I love your perspective on serious topics, now lemme keep watching 👀

[@erikapapi]

Period.

[@saphy-old]

holy moly this was such a refreshing perspective -- i always suspected something was off not only with Dave Chappelle's story, but the how you so effortlessly described the uphill battle. So many cis people not only speaking for trans, but then going further to even minimize their frustrations on top of that. Gah! So annoying, yet when you try to point this out, you're made out to be "attention seeking" or "narcissistic" -- no dude, i'm just trying to live. Thank you so much for this! Will be sending this on to friends who ask me questions but I just never have the right words to explain it and you do it so perfectly here :)

[@wingedmayhem]

I’ve seen Daphne’s story cut out of the special and uploaded to youtube under the title ‘The Part of Dave Chappelle’s special no one wants to talk about’ The comments were full of people nothing but support for him, denouncing anyone who dared to criticize him. I am incredibly glad that you made this as a follow up video. While the type of people laughing at ‘angry trans people’ aren’t ones to easily change their mind with just one video, I hope that the ones who were on the fence see this and come to understand why his framing of Daphne’s story and him saying he’s on the side of TERFs is harmful. Wonderful video, Kat.

[@starlightlyrae]

I feel I should preface this statement by saying I'm a transman/demiboy and that the hatred on display in this video isn't directed at people like me, but that terf's statements were really, *really* hard to listen to. You warned me, but still. Wow. It breaks my heart that people think that way, though I'm not surprised by it. :(

[@ericb9252]

It's honestly appalling how people are willfully ignorant about Dave's blatant transphobia and his gross use of Daphne as a shield against any criticism. Chappelle is like a comedian version of Trump. No matter what he does, his mouth breathing followers will defend every detectable thing he says or does, no questioning. Personally, I found the special disgusting and horribly offensive. I hate it.

[@BionicLatino]

“His mouth breathing followers will defend everything he says or does, no questions” If only everyone can be as patient and empathetic as you.

[@rattusprat]

Mouth breathing follower here... You say he used Daphne as a shield. I see that he wanted to use this special as a way of telling her story, possibly to help process his own grief and guilt, and to illustrate the twitter mob issue, or cancel culture or whatever you want to call it, has more to it than just LBGT+ vs bigots. I believe he started with this story and worked other stories about his interactions with the LGBT+ community into the special to give Daphne's story more weight. Him saying "I'm team TERF" was ignorant. He should have made sure he had a better understanding of what that meant to trans people. However I also agree with him that JK Rowling was harshly dealt with based on what she actually said, but that's a whole separate bag of cats. Those defending Dave by simply saying he was telling jokes are disingenuous. Statements such as I'm team TERF were clearly not a joke. However many people saying this are responding to comments along the lines of "Dave spent 35 minutes attacking trans people", which is similarly disingenuous, so I'm sure some are also over-simplifying their stance. In the bathroom joke he was pointing out absurdity of bathroom bills in support of trans people. The impossible/beyond comments were just a joke. From where Dave and his supporters sit all they see is a wall of "Dave is transphobic" and "take down the special". The media is not helpful and only reports on the controversy "people are saying Dave is transphobic but Netflix are keeping the special up". Detailed responses such as Kat's videos that try to explain exactly how and why specific parts of the special are problematic are not making it through all the noise. There seems to be no mechanism in modern society for people to actually hear each other and learn and grow. Simple attack and defense are the loudest voices.

[@ericb9252]

@@rattusprat He used Daphne as a token. So now, if anyone dare challenge Chappelle, people can say "But, Daphne'. It's disgusting. She's not his avoid controversy free card.

[@laurelgardner]

Jesusfuck, where are all these fucking people coming from and why, why, WHY is it SO FUCKING IMPORTANT to them that trans people NEVER have a space where they can discuss a harm done to them without their bullshit and ignorance and fragile stubbornness? Y'all, I love that you enjoy a stupid fucking mainstream-ass comedian. I'm just so goddamn happy for you. You should be so proud of yourselves. It's very brave of you. But guess what: he will be fucking fine if you don't waste your time defending him. It's okay for people not to like a thing you like. I promise you will not fucking die from it.

[@BionicLatino]

@@laurelgardner Because you cannot exist in a vacuum. And trying to maintain a vacuum space where you can all sit around echo chambering your ideas to the exclusion of the input of the other people you need to co-exist with, even those who dislike you, is irrational and denies you part of the human experience. This isn’t about Dave specifically any more. If you don’t like Dave, fine. Don’t like him. But the concepts and conversations his behavior have brought to the surface are necessary conversations that must be had after decades of them existing only in the parallel echo chambers of bigots and victims. If you find that uncomfortable, call it growing pains.

[@Sanosarah]

Your videos have always been standouts with great visuals but the filming quality (cinematography? videography? I have no idea what I'm talking about) somehow just keeps getting better. Thanks for talking about this, your takes are always so thoughtful and help me make sense of things.

[@fabianshedenhelm2986]

My own mother excused his behavior by saying that making jokes about people are fine since, it's comedy. She doesn't even realize the damage that can be done and the whole thing of what happened in the special. I really had a hard time explaining to her how harmful this special was, while my makes jokes about our people that really affects me.

[@mitchh3092]

She's lucky I'm not her child; I'd've started roasting the fuck out of her right there and said "WHAT, IT'S COMEDY, IT'S FINE"

[@lilinectar29]

Yo!! LOL

[@firstlastlastfirst7143]

Minstrel blackface was comedy too.

[@Junebug89]

The idea that "it's comedy" just excuses absolutely anything you say is really absurd when you think about it for even a moment.

[@underdarkness7692]

One of the most unfortunate things about this is that there is a legitimately internal issue with trans people being perhaps a bit on full time full blast with paranoia about media about us. It comes out a lot when trans people (especially trans people of color) make complicated, messy art or write nuanced articles about their own personal experiences that on their surface appear to confirm or reinforce some harmful stereotypes. You saw this not too long ago with the debacle around the "I identify as an attack helicopter" article. There was a whole discussion resurrecting an early queer theory article about Reparative vs Paranoid readings of media. However, this is largely an internal community issue that is related to but ultimately divorced from the wider "cancel culture", and the paranoia expressed by actual famous rich transphobes doing harm and weaponizing that obscures the issue. The other angle to this is (with regards to internal-facing issues) *often* (not always) these issues tend to be brought about by well meaning allies who see a single very hurt or critical stray tweet in the context of a relatively niche and nuanced personal conversation about some obscure thing, and then do the ally anxiety thing "Oh no! I, as someone with a platform and privilege and power, am a bad person if I do not help signal boost my poor maligned trans friends and call out what's hurting them so they feel welcome in our space," which then causes the Bad Reading™ and Hot Takes™ to become the socially dominant narrative because it's the only one most people have had exposure to, and opens the floodgates. There is a legitimate issue with trans people feeling afraid to make art or content because of the possibility for backlash if they don't tick all the respectability politics checkboxes used as "okay art" criteria maintained by a group who outwardly claims to hate respectability politics. But weaponizing the death of a woman which nothing to do with that, and even worse using that as a shield for your transphobic rhetoric for yourself, a very rich comedian, is honestly kind of scummy. It's honestly stuff like that that makes a subset of the community double down and become even more paranoid and watchful about the "harmful" or "problematic" content our own produce. It's really leveraging a community's internal politics against it for the benefit of those outside it, which is kind of shitty.

[@wmdkitty]

The paranoia is fully justified, tho.

[@galaxyocicat5660]

This comment just makes me sad

[@Rc3651]

I can't empathize with cishet white people who say that they're afraid to say anything because they're worried about saying something offensive. To me it sounds like they're not worried about offending someone, they're worried about potential consequences. Because if they genuinely cared about not offending people then they'd put in more work to learn what the issues are and what's offensive. If you actually listen to non-cis, non-straight, non-white voices then they'll spell it out for you pretty gosh-darn quickly. And it's not like that's a new concept or phenomenon, people have been pleading for white folks to learn about these issues for literally longer than any of us have been alive, and if you've been plugging your ears that's on you. Then when you inevitably make a mistake you learn from it and move on, because none of this is about you.

[@Gertrude-Intrudes]

This right here.

[@GuessMyUserName]

It's a wholly self-serving, defensive fear that already centers themselves as the victim, when in reality trans people are entirely understanding of the fact not everybody gets it right away, that there will be slip-ups, and so long as you are honestly trying to listen, that alone makes us really happy. Every time I see fruitful discussion between trans & cis folk actually wanting to learn, the trans people involved absolutely light up to see someone listening because it's so unfortunately rare in a world where people are so instinctively defensive, to deny they did anything wrong. Honestly so often in these conversations trans people are endlessly putting in disclaimers to reassure their listeners and keep things light when people are actually trying to understand, while underlining that our voices are individual and others in the community may see things differently.

[@fistbowl1848]

Ik this conversation isnt about me, but this really validates me in all of my messy experiences. I’m the only white person in my friend group, and because of that I have a lot of conversations about race with my friends- but sometimes I accidentally say something that hurts someone or could potentially hurt someone in the wrong context. Of course I feel shitty over this, but I absolutely learn from it and I’m eternally grateful to my friends for being patient and educating me. Once again sorry for making it about myself, but I really wanted to tell you that this comment restored my faith in myself

[@SM-yz4hi]

also, people who actually care about hurting others (and not just consequences) will _think_ before they _speak_ and be able to anticipate if something they say might be offensive without needing to be directly told that it’s offensive

[@auberry9900]

Thanks for this video. Seeing someone's suicide being used as a prop for an ongoing public argument about cancellation has been very unpleasant to watch. Especially when the person wielding it is so so much bigger than everyone else. It's frustrating to have to explain to cis people (well-meaning or otherwise) that the biological family of a deceased trans person isn't always a trustworthy source on that person. I've seen to many trans siblings misgendered and deadnamed and worse by their own families. I hope her loved ones can heal from this, it's not fair to have to grieve someone twice.

[@misspeaches1144]

I saw Chappell’s entire special on your channel, and it was stale and felt like it written in the 90s, he clearly didn’t learn nothing since then. All of the bad material aside, using your colleague’s suicide to push your agenda and making a joke about it in the same breath is disgusting

[@Unprotagonist]

Hey Kat, I just want to say that I deeply appreciate your videos. You have such a talent for breaking down and getting to the meat of issues in a way that is accessible, thoughtful, and gripping. You are a natural teacher, and I have learned so much from you. You really nailed exactly why this special made me so uncomfortable, so thank you for putting yourself out there to explain where so many people can't, or don't have the energy.

[@annabeinglazy5580]

What annoyed me Most about Chapelle and what Made me switch off after 5minutes was his insistence of "gay" privilege. It sounded to me as If all "gay" people (including trans people) were rich white people who Just want to live Like Elton John. As If poc queer people dont exist. It just made me so tired. It reminded me of conversations with my ex-boyfriend in which he insisted that feminism is only for white women and completely ignored that poc Feminist authors and issues that poc women struggle with. It just sounded disingenuos and turned me Off. If the Special started off this lazy, then there was no point for me to continue.

[@kaskus7147]

I feel like Dave was telling people who actually have to live through the violence that he was perpetuating that they should not have a say in the matter and that the hate he was putting on a pedestal was meant to be seen as funny.

[@sofialuna6210]

8:13 "Unfortunately, most trans women who are murdered look like me. And most of the people who murder them, look like Dave Chappelle". As simple as that.

[@aliisakangas7606]

The patience you have to explain these things so well.... under these circumstances, with your lived experiences. Holy F. I don't know how you do that. Bless you Kat.

[@crlake]

WOW! When you said that "rhetoric" was bad that was not an exaggeration. I am not gay, nor trans, and I was absolutely offended by that woman's statements. I'm here to listen and learn.

[@ogskullomania3119]

Again i really appreciate your Nuance ..its great to see a Transgender Person of Colour talk about this as the default is White folks; gay or trans to speak ahead of and sometimes over black trans women who deal with mortal danger .....

[@Eylrid]

Using someone's suicide for gain the way Chappelle did is so disgusting! That's really fucking low.

[@Dantalliumsolarium]

This articulates why the special made me so upset. Someone aligning with TERFs is an evil thing in my mind, and it hurt A Lot. Especially in front of such a large audience. Your videos are always so amazing, thank you for what you do💛

[@spookycircuits455]

It’s crazy how many people are like “Well he’s a comedian so therefore his words are incapable of having any meaning outside of exactly what he said because implications don’t exist in comedy.” When someone says he implied that trans people are why she killed herself

[@taimatsuko]

Thank you so much for making this video! Your last video really made me start the process of realizing and acknowledging my own anti-trans biases. Even though it’s unfair, it would me much harder for me to honestly listen to this criticism coming from someone who isn’t a black woman. So, Black woman to black woman, thank you! 🙏🏾

[@minteymouse8045]

Well done video Kat! I also can’t get with whole “I say what I want and I don’t care, but I’m also a victim because of those words” act of dave (or anyone else for that matter). If you say what you want and don’t care, then say it and drop the mic. Actions and words always have and will have consequences. There’s also something to be said about how social media makes consequences more swift and widespread. He didn’t have these issues years ago because the internet is a different place now , and people are just more educated. I hate how not tolerating such narratives has turned into “people being sensitive”. The only people being sensitive are the ones throwing fits that we’re now having these long overdue conversations and they can’t say what they want without looking ignorant or bigoted.

[@rammlane7101]

No you don't like that the internet is calling you names back. Their are people that think you are to sensitive. Your consequences are more swift and widespread too. You can call people bigots and ignorant, and they can call you snowflakes and beta boys. That is how it works. Everyone isn't going to agree with you, but never presume your side is more educated because you disagree with someone else's opinion. That is how you lose the argument and the will of the people.

[@minteymouse8045]

@@rammlane7101 no one is pressuring anyone to have their views. The fact that you see it that way means you have something deeply wrong inside of you that you need to inspect for why it bothers you for people to stand up for certain groups of people. You clearly did not watch the full video and if you did you definitely had trouble listening and comprehending what was said.

[@rammlane7101]

@@minteymouse8045 Didn't say you were pressuring anyone to have their view. You clearly didn't read my comment and if you did you didn't comprehend what I said.

[@minteymouse8045]

@@rammlane7101 OK then we’re even then we both miss the point of each other‘s comments. Get a fucking life and stop spamming under peoples comments. You didn’t make a single valid point and any other comments you were spamming and I said more but my other comments got taken down.

[@minteymouse8045]

@@rammlane7101 I miss read one word big fucking whoop. You still didn’t make any valid points here or in any other comments that you spammed, and still missed the point of mine too.

[@santiagoolaisola895]

Thank you so much for this video. As a former Dave Chappelle fan, as someone who defended some of his older humor, this new special completely turned me away from him. The icing on the cake was his low key blaming the trans community for his “friends” suicide. Now you can’t even criticize him without his fans countering by blaming the trans community for her Suicide (yes, I have seen them do just that). The fact that he keeps acting like trans people have it so easy is just outright disgusting. I constantly see people online attacking trans and gay individuals over simply existing, acting like their lifestyles are destroying society. Accused of being mentally unstable. Accused of being pedophiles. I’m so tired of people like him acting like LGBTQIA people have it so easy in life and then giving his fans this same thought process.

[@BlueSupermoon20]

And thank you for constantly being a patient and sound voice of reason. I appreciate your perspective so much. It can feel draining having to have teaching moments with viewers, I hope you remember to take time for yourself. Sending love ❤️

[@quarterlifelena]

Forcing my family to watch this on Thanksgiving when they inevitably bring up Dave Chappelle

[@artthuritis]

thankyou for making this, my economy teacher and I actually had an argument on the subject and was very supportive of him. I will continue to do more research on the topic and do a presentation on it. Maybe I can't change his mind, but hopefully it will be an eye opener to my fellow class mates.

[@KatiCleo]

The first time I heard about Chappelle's special was on a facebook group that I hadn't visited for a couple of years, that all of a sudden showed up in my timeline and had some.. weird posts. It didn't take long to figure out that it had at some point turned into a terf group. Posts went from either complaining about trans women athletes, to posting pictures of either older trans women in their early transition, or even just plain male cross-dressers from fetish groups and talk about them as if they were also trans women, mocking them and their appearance, etc etc. With trans men there were several posts about how top surgery is "women mutilating themselves". You get the vibe basically. It was a gross, surreal space. So, scrolling through that madness is where I found a post about Chappelle's special. The caption was "Finally! Someone who gets it. He's one of us!" And honestly from that point on I didn't need to know anything else about the special. If the people who identify with what you are saying are people like this, then no matter what your intentions were it's very clear what the rhetoric you are spreading is doing. That's all I'm going to say..

[@pimdorrison4258]

I have a completely different view of his special, before this than I do now. Thank you for this. What he did was incredibly toxic.

[@sophiemacaroni9060]

the BBC platforming lily cade was intentional and it is scary

[@ellebarron7112]

"oh I thought I was experiencing transphobia but this cis person just informed me I was not"

[@Kate-ms2mn]

I don't think anyone could describe Lily Cade as a feminist - she sounds chauvinist as hell

[@zhonguocha]

Wowie has anyone told the FBI about Lily Cade? I’m gonna need her on a watch list. Jesus Christ…

[@Tam75Tam]

I can tell you that I intentionally sought out a Black Trans content maker because I needed to better understand from the perspective of an insider why Dave's special was so offensive to the Trans community. I absolutely love how intentional and detailed your commentary is on the topics you discuss. You leave absolutely no stone untouched. Thank you.

[@cutiebuu5424]

I learn more and more with every video from you Kat. You have a gift for translating what people feel inside and putting it into words. Your hard work isn’t going waste!

[@fightvale57]

I think it's weird that people NEED you to be offended for their validation..

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah it's weird. I'd honestly be surprised if I ran into something that offended me.

[@bleachsanchoblastk]

This volatility and violence toward the LGBT community, moreover the trans community especially, is the reason someone I'm very close to is still in the closet about their feelings of potentially being trans. It really hurts to see them pine over the clothes and other things they really want to try. However the people where we live are vicious in private. I know jokes are jokes but where I live people use jokes as thinly veiled admissions of their real thoughts. This is coming from a bi chick who went through public school all my life in this town. Makes me want to establish a commune out in the woods with my fellow LGBT folks.

[@TheInfernalOnionz]

Really glad you addressed this Kat. I remembered watching the special and thinking the Daphne story was incredibly disingenuous. Cis people need to stop centring themselves in the narratives of trans people.

[@reluctantzealot7722]

Despite his assertions, it's obvious that Chappelle doesn't give a damn about the Trans community. He's deliberately trying to provoke and bait them into becoming angry and outraged. The more there is backlash, outrage, and talk of cancellation, the more he can profit off of the controversy.

[@Nirmadify]

I just think people are people, regardless of their gender 🤷‍♀️ it's kinda weird of Chappelle to insinuate and bend the truth to fit his story, where he is the poor struggling hero who has done nothing wrong 🥱 he should work on becoming a better human being and be more honest.

[@SuperAH1985]

This is such an amazing breakdown (along with the other video of watching while discussing DC's special). What I found was that he really does sound a lot like a grouchy old man sitting on his porch and yelling at those "dang kids, get off my lawn." There were a few moments I laughed and mostly I shrugged. What would have been a much better response, especially to springboard off those people who claim he's pushing the envelope for the sake of creating dialog, is if then he had real, in-depth, conversations rather than doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on his "woe is me" narrative. He should talk more deeply about why to him and his many undereducated follower the LGBTQ community doesn't intersect with the BIPOC community. Black trans people exist. He should talk more deeply about why to him and whoever he thinks is part of his community, that Black cis women don't exist...as in, Black women were hardly ever mentioned at rallies for Black Lives...he should talk to his perpetuating of putting Black cis-het maleness above any other Black lived experience. White people eat that shit up. To white people, only Black cis-het men exist. He should shit on white women, and his bit about his friend Ang was great...because white women have ruined so much of, well, everything. There are so many great conversations that could have come from this current special that he could have facilitated, because of certain privileges that he does hold. Instead, white, cis-het, transphobic, racists will use Dave like they do some other Black and Brown people to deny the real lived experience of those who are not as privileged. And that's effing dangerous. White Supremacists do not need yet another person from a marginalized community to help them cosign their hate toward that and other marginalized communities. At the end of the day, he could open a massive dialog and bring attention around the reality of trans* Black, Indigenous, Brown women and men being murdered, losing jobs, dying by suicide, etc. at a high rate. As a parent to 2 trans children, I am annoyed that these transphobes who are also denying the humanity and lived experience of multiple identities keep claiming they're being canceled. Like you worded about trans people don't even have the opportunities to begin with, he's crying about his job. Like, dude, trans people don't even get hired a lot of the time in the first place...especially Black trans people. And yes, there is a lot of convo to be had around outcomes for Black and Brown and Indigenous cisgender children, but the suicide rate for transgender children of all races is astronomical. I'm just hoping my 2 trans kids get to become old enough to shine and not die by suicide or by someone who felt "lied" to by a trans person and feel the need to murder them. P.s. Dave Chapel and Luis C.K. got cancelled sooooo hard that both of them are up for Grammys🙄

[@Lobos222]

Wait, so you think it is fine to cancel people you dont like, but at the same time you cry about other people canceling people they dont like... You dont see a level of hypocrisy here? Oh, wait, you are in the right from your point of view therefor its okay. Because that isnt what fundamentalists say. When people talk like they have to have the same views on every issue in order to tolerate people. I would argue they are no better than "insert crazy fundamentalist saying stupid shit".

[@julietfischer5056]

@@Lobos222- You want to be racist, sexist, and homophobic without penalty. You want to harass, discriminate, and assault with impunity, and to encourage harassment, discrimination, and assault. Whoever you designate as subhuman must quietly submit. Being pushovers and submissive didn't do anything except allow abuses to continue. You're the bully who's mad that your victims aren't putting up with your shit anymore.

[@alisonmercer5946]

@@julietfischer5056 yes. That comment by lobos is deranged. That response didn't address the original comment at all because the original comment said nothing that lobos is acting like it said. They aren't making sense. I guess they know it and they just don't care. It reminds of the" don't play chess with a pigeon ... quote.

[@Lobos222]

@@julietfischer5056 No, I live within the sphere of rationality were I dont want to become the type of people I fight against. Just look at your response. You dont know jack S about me and you still proclaim I am X Y Z, which IRONICALLY proves my case against people like you! LoL

[@LvLupXD]

@@Lobos222 You don't know them personally either, so what does "people like you" mean. So much for "rational" lol

[@sambeawesome]

Oh wow. I was giving him some benefit of the doubt, since I assumed he was very hurt over the death of a dear friend, but like, he didn't seem to know or care about her until he could take advantage of their relationship?? Yikes, that's awful. I hope he checks his ego at the door and decides to listen without judgement. It can be hard to hear that you're wrong or that you're hurting people, but it's so important to reach that understanding.

[@rgs8970]

just wanted to thank you for making this follow-up video as well 💜 I definitely took his statements about online harassment at face value, even though I disagreed with his conclusion-- it helps me disrupt my own internalized transphobia to challenge that narrative and to ask myself why I was so quick to believe it 🤔 so thank you, again, Kat

[@heatherlee2967]

++++ I wish you the best on your journey!

[@tinymxnticore]

One thing that I missed before this, which you were able to communicate so effectively, is how bogus and dishonest his narrative about Daphne is. I've seen how vicious people on the internet can be towards queer people, so I didn't really question the claim that she was severely bullied by a twitter mob. The manipulation is so sick.

[@nicked_fenyx]

Just finished watching all of your recent vids on Chapelle, and wanted to say how much I deeply appreciate you taking the time to give this topic the amount of nuanced consideration it demands, as well as share your conclusions with us. As a white trans guy, it helps to hear the views of someone who's sort of on the opposite side of the trans spectrum from where I live. You've earned yourself a new subscriber, to be sure. Now, to catch up on all your other awesome vids! Keep up the great work. I'm incredibly grateful to have your voice as part of the conversation on these things.

[@melodyborg6164]

Christ, I know that the UK media is exceptionally transphobic but I'm still shocked that they would cite that terf as if she's a credible source. My gf is a trans woman and I have a number of trans friends and it's just so bizarre to me that there are people so determined to cling to their shitty biases even though they have likely never even (knowingly, at least) had a conversation with a trans woman. Thank you for making your videos as always, it always makes me feel better to see someone speaking back against the ignorance.

[@minteymouse8045]

It also speaks volumes that Dave and others see trans people just being talked about or advertised to is “supporting them”. Companies market because they have to. Who or where the money is coming from doesn’t matter to a company as long as they get it. How many times has a company marketed to a group of people out of outcry, popularity, etc. They just don’t want a boycott so-and-so hashtag on twitter or negative press. It shows just how little thought actually is put into understanding the reasoning why it’s happening, and as you said, really just makes them feel some type of way due to the sheer uptick in visibility.