Arielle Scarcella's New Content is... Interesting | Kat Blaque

[@KatBlaque]

I decided I would cut this video into two parts. This is the first part, you can expect the second part later this week reacting to her video about Autogynephelia. However, Patreon Members can see my full unedited 2 hour livestream reacting to and discussing my feelings about Arielle Scarcella on my Patreon right now! www.patreon.com/posts/full-arielle-60820373 Follow me on Twitch to participate in future streams: www.twitch.tv/katblaque

[@emilyswanson8269]

Looking gorgeous !

[@megatennepster3833]

So for Like, the first 3 minutes of this video I thought it was a sponsored video for Shinigami Eyes, before realizing I was a dumbass

[@wigbig6192]

I watched her vid about autogynophelia yesterday. And yet again, she talked over and talked for the trans person she invited to be on her video. It was so painful

[@KatBlaque]

@@wigbig6192 hahah Yeah. I liked how she was like "so why do trans people transition?" and then edited to her explanation. lol.

[@megatennepster3833]

@@KatBlaque that was a BBC journalism moment.

[@zj.4424]

Here's my thing, though, has a trans woman tried to pressure me, a lesbian, into having sex? Absolutely. Has a cis woman tried to pressure me into sex? You betcha. I've even had men, both cis and trans, try the same with no regard for the big ole "LESBIAN" written all over my dating profiles or when I would tell them in person. The facts are, it's not a trans issue, but it's a dating in a hypersexualized society issue--ESPECIALLY in the LGBT community where putting out is something we're stereotyped to do all the time. Trying to paint it like it's trans women doing all of this, especially to lesbians, is wild to me because if you've been a lesbian, or a female dating in any capacity you've had that kind of pressure from every walk of life at least once and I have to think that she, of all people, being a lesbian who is vocal on the internet, would know that the most.

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah, I mean tbh, after watching a few of her videos, she really seems to be taking the INCREDIBLY VALID issue of people not respecting lesbians' boundaries on dating apps and translating that into something much much larger. Yes, straight men being on dating apps for lesbians is an issue, but that's not really something that relates to trans women.

[@AM-kr4pv]

Yeah same, I have experienced sexual violence from a trans woman. But I've also been SA'd by cis women. The terf rhetoric worries me not because I think there's no trans woman predators, there definitely are but tbh my anecdotal experience suggests they often are using being trans to get the guards down of other trans girls not to target cis women, but because they're acting like this shit is black and white. The penis is not the source of sexual violence, it's being a fucking awful person raised in a terrible society. It scares me because I think the reason I have been violated by women disproportionately is because I was raised feeling like there was nothing to fear from them and thus allowed myself to be more vulnerable with them, like casually sharing a bed and being platonically physically intimate despite not really knowing them that well. Like we have to just be honest with kids and tell them that some people are bad and you don't know who so be careful, not 'man dangerous, woman safe'.

[@justwhy9427]

I feel like people always ignore victims of cis women. I’m a young lesbian and was inappropriately touched by cis girl. SA has never been and never will be about dicks. Only about disrespecting boundaries.

[@AM-kr4pv]

@@MelissaHogwood I think you're massively misunderstanding what we're saying if you think the argument is just "well cis girls do it too". First of all I wasn't arguing anything I was sharing my experiences and expressing my concerns. I'm not talking to any terfs so I don't think I need to argue anything right now. But my point was that the propensity to sexual violence isn't a trait you have that's directly related to your genitals or birth assigned sex. And that it's dangerous to teach that to young people, and it further marginalises us as lesbians who have experienced sexual violence from a cis woman.

[@Emanuel-uy2ox]

I feel that many arguments terfs have about trans women are really just that some people are bad + some people are trans = some trans people are bad people

[@darchocla]

"I think some people want to define other people's sexuality by the way that they define their own" Can't state this enough.

[@quirkyblackenby]

Yes! That’s the thing that always bothered me about Arielle

[@MFYouTube683]

It’s not about sexuality. That’s kinda the point Arielle makes. It’s about gender identity and the insanity it morphed into over the past decade. Do I think her political 180° flip does anything for anyone? Nope. But like Blaire, what she says about the LGBs and the TQIAs needs to be said, heard, internalized and lived by while we direct out energy towards real problems - I mean .. WATCH THE NEWS, THANK YOU. Do I need to watch either of them doing their pro-gun stint to get a few Joe Rogan fanboys from Idaho to subscribe? No.

[@KatBlaque]

@@MFKZbin683 See, but the thing is... no matter how many times Arielle says SHE doesn't want to have sex with a trans woman, there are still plenty of cis lesbian women who do. She makes the mistake of framing her personal feelings about someone as gospel that defines who they are. Calling monosexual folks who date trans women something other than their sexuality is pretty shitty. I would encourage you to really ponder on what you are describing as "insanity" and whether or not your resource for said insanity is directly from trans people or from people criticizing their existence. Arielle's content often relies on your prejudices; like in her autogynephelia video, she uses Jacob Tobia, a non binary person who doesn't identify as a trans woman and doesn't shave their face, as the cover of the video with the header "This is NOT a trans woman". She's relying on the fact that you're going to look at a person who was designated male at birth, who has a beard and wears make up and say "ew". And that reaction is supposed to further prove her point, but the reality is... it's not reflective of at all of how Jacob feels. I think you should really sit with that because you'll find that these issues aren't as large as they're being presented.

[@GCAbleism158]

I mean how hard is it not to like what you like and not be a dick.

[@MFYouTube683]

@@KatBlaque oh really? The activists who are failing to cancel the most successful author of our generation is not big news or a minority of a minority trying to impose on all of society how they have to perceive, address and live? Frankly, the 99,6% cis-people don’t care that much about the trans/nb/etc people as long as they live their best life. But they are trying to dictate everything under the pretext of inclusion, representation and visibility. People don’t care as long as they live by the fundamental rule of civil society which is, that your personal freedom ends where another individual’s begins. And Alok and Tobias seem to see themselves as part of the trans community. I can’t take them seriously.

[@bbtdgfan890]

I think I remember you telling that story about Arielle Scarcella years back. It struck me as uncomfortably ironic that she was trying to paint trans women as predators while pressuring you to participate in some weird kissing game when you didn't want to.

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah I told it on a live stream forever ago.

[@cidevant002]

Yeah, I remember that and honestly, in light of recent events like Lily Cade, I do wonder how common is for these kind of "trans women are predatory!!" people to engage or excuse away predatory behaviour as long it comes from cis women. It's almost like they don't really give a fuck about respecting bodily autonomy and it's purely for the bigotry🧐

[@juliettedemaso7588]

Projection runs high in the hateful.

[@queerantine69]

Link? Please and thank you

[@TheNumnutRandomness]

@@cidevant002 Considering that in some countries _cough_ TERF island _cough_ , it's not considered r*pe unless there's a penis involved. It definitely tracks that these types of lesbians do not consider themselves predators. Funny that the hypothetical cis women they're "protecting" get treated a lot better than the actual women in their lives. 🧐

[@niamhcorrigan3972]

Also I think she neglects to acknowledge that she also harms lesbians by insinuating "gold star lesbians" are the only valid ones lol, she's awful all around

[@tristannieto]

I feel like "I don't date trans people" is the "I don't like rap" of sexuality. You're obviously not a racist just because you don't like rap, but God damn if there isn't a really vocal brand of racist who's entire musical taste is just a twenty minute rant on how rap isn't "real" music.

[@KatBlaque]

That's a good point.

[@emmaoof3335]

true like the bigotry comes in when you explain WHY you're so against that you can not like rap music you're not racist but if your reason for disliking is because its not "real" music or you consider it like some gang or ghetto music you are you can not date trans people no one is telling you to but if you do it because you think trans women are predators you are transphobic

[@MainelyMandy]

I love this comparison

[@technicolorbarf6734]

And also like... ALL rap?? Rap in a pretty giant umbrella term.

[@hang1iderswing]

I feel like people who have to make it known that they don't date some group of people... like why do you need to advertise this? Just don't date them, then. The advertising it is what makes it clear it's actually a front. The need to get in a conversation and pontificate about what group you wouldn't date is the part that's sus. Low key I think a lot of them think it's a way to subtly insult the group they're talking about by implying they aren't desirable and other people should follow suit. Also it's often the worst insult they can think of for a woman: "undateable". And they know they can get away with it if they pretend it's some "preference" thing. Same as when people are like, "I'm not attracted to black girls" or "fat girls" or "a girl who has slept with more people than me". All of these are fine choices to make about your own life, but why are you telling me about it right now in this Chillis?

[@tris5602]

The mistake I think people are making is assuming they need to be super vocal about a preference. There has never been a time where I felt anything but confusion over a white man telling me "I think you're really attractive for a black girl." I wasn't asking, and don't care. It is neither the compliment or insult that they think it is: I'm not remotely interested in holding someone's hand while they figure their shit out. Whether their lack of attraction to people of color is racist or not is irrelevant to me because I'm not interested in someone who's on the fence about this sort of thing. Byyyyeee!

[@jadoisready]

100% how I've felt since a teen.

[@rikaniebangbang]

I love how Arielle has this weird thing about 'let's not call them men, they're trans women' but then two minutes later she goes 'but really they're biological men!' Cracks me up.

[@KatBlaque]

Yep. i think she TRIES to come off as balanced, but it's not working.

[@k80_]

Yeah I think she even said “it’s better than just calling them men” at one point? Like she wanted to but knew she was on camera

[@WayneBraack]

That's too complex to grasp?

[@bunji_beans]

@@bells_in_your_head Not really. You have to ignore what modern science says about sex for it to be true. You're right though that its only purpose is to hurt Trans people.

[@KatBlaque]

@@bells_in_your_head Usually people only say trans women are "biologically men" to misgender trans women. Trans folks tend to be aware of their biology in a personal way. That said, it's also pretty dishonest and unrealistic to pretend that my body, for example, functions as a cis man's does because it simply doesn't.

[@exhaustedlesbian]

It's so interesting, and telling, how hard Arielle leans on the idea that "the left" is so illogical meanwhile almost all of her talking points are so easily disproven?

[@whatthehellisthis]

it’s either an excessive grift or an extreme lack of self-awareness (or both)

[@flyingcapsicum]

She's just a reactionary shill at this point, has been for a long time

[@exhaustedlesbian]

@@whatthehellisthis I tend towards believing its both. Horrifying levels of calculation mixed with truly not knowing-probably caring is more accurate-what she's saying because she gets high on the attention and following these views get her.

[@marocat4749]

Soa reactionary projecting as usual.

[@treyyert9561]

LOL

[@nate6045]

Arielle is such a throwback and now I feel like a fossil for remembering when this whole debacle occurred. Also 2014 Kat is adorable.

[@Ranger881]

Completely unrelated but I'm a ferret guy and your profile picture is so cute ;_; one of mine looks remarkably similar :)

[@nate6045]

@@Ranger881 Thanks! Louis was my best friend. Ferrets make such great companions and I miss him dearly.

[@violetsnotroses3640]

It makes me so angry how Arielle talks about lesbians like we all agree with her. It took me years after coming out to feel comfortable calling myself a lesbian because of the word's association with porn that I could not identify with. It felt like as soon as I was comfortable with it, the only people loudly calling themselves lesbians on the internet were TERFs. I think most cis lesbians I've met IRL are happy to have trans women in their queer spaces and dating pools. Obviously, TERF rhetoric does a lot more harm to trans women than cis lesbians like me who are just annoyed at being lumped in with them, but I really hate the idea that there are trans wlw out there who are avoiding connections and community with other queer women out of fear of people like Arielle.

[@pompitousoflove]

Exactly

[@spooniejusticewarrior]

Lesbian TERFs tend to be the same lesbians who refuse to date bisexual women. Their whole identity hinges on hating men (and people who they perceive as men) so the idea of a woman dating men and women is threatening to them. It gross how much they gatekeep.

[@venuslove-i1v]

@@spooniejusticewarrior Yep. Makes me wonder are TERFS lesbian because they love women or because they hate men (and people they perceive as men)? Their identity is so fragile.

[@sophiathefurbst]

@@spooniejusticewarrior it is weird to me that they call themselves feminists when that *really* sounds like misandry and feminism is gender equality, why isn’t that inclusive of..people’s genders..to them??

[@vaughn_erich]

@@sophiathefurbst haha yeah but that’s why “terf” refers to them as radicals.

[@MJBowie]

Back when I came out in 2013 on KZbin, she emailed me to collaborate with her and I was stoked because she was big at the time. I didn’t watch her but I then started checking her stuff out and immediately got uncomfortable with her but ignored the feeling. She was talking about cis women’s bodies in such a judgmental way. Luckily, she ended up ghosting me entirely so that collab didn’t happen. Haha

[@MainelyMandy]

Bullet dodged! lol

[@MJBowie]

​@@MainelyMandy Right?! Sheesh. Though it would have been fun now to be like, "You thought I was a lesbian but I'm actually a nonbinary genderless queer! Sowwy, it looks like the lesbians are disappearing just like you feared!" Oh well.

[@osheaeimear83]

Phew

[@johneeeemarry34]

It women… not such thing as a “cis” woman…

[@heatherchandlerr]

there is such a thing as cis women, i'm right here. denying the existence of afab people who don't identify with their assigned sex is wild because they do exist. also, its "its," not "it" babes.

[@TheSummelBaerli]

I think the whole debate is pointless, because it’s such a hypothetical construct. I’ve been in a hetero relationship for 8 years. Would I potentially date women or trans men or trans women? Maybe? Doesn’t it depend on the person and the chemistry? It’s like debating which celebrity you’d rather date. You might have a preconception on what they might be like, but who can really tell until you are in the situation? In the same vein, loudly and proudly proclaiming you wouldn’t date a person of x minority, because you had a bad experience with one individual is the definition of bigotry. I had a bad encounter with a blonde German dude - so all of blonde German dudes are now unworthy of attraction from all cis women? It doesn’t make any sense. The whole issue stems, I think, from trans people being tired of hearing how they are worthless of desire and the real world danger of being killed by those who feel “tricked”. And that got turned into “waaaah, the trans agenda tells me I have to f them unless I want to be called a bigot” it’s ridiculous Can we please start treating people, especially trans people, as PEOPLE? Individuals with their own wants and needs and feelings instead of this ominous group who all want you to have sex with them? It really is just like homophobes thinking all gay men want to f them, because they’re just that irresistible. Get over yourselves. This turned into a rant rather fast, I’m sorry.

[@justhavingalook7857]

I've never seen more facts in a single youtube comment than right now

[@ariannatorres3799]

Don't be sorry, it's true and you should say it

[@albers1]

Hey, what are the odds that you fall in love with a 99-year-old short bald fat guy? Maybe? It depends on the person and the chemistry, right? And in case you feel tempted to say it's not a fair comparison, let me remind you: they are people too. If you don't date such a person, you are a 99-year-old short bald fat guy phobic person. Please, grow up.

[@TheSummelBaerli]

@@albers1 ummm, yeah? There are plenty people who fall in love with older people? Are you actually saying that someone who dared to age is not worthy of love? The actual fair comparison would be to start a campaign against 99-year old bald guys, starting groups that call them predators for existing, not even knowing such a dude but telling everyone that you would neeeeever do that, because they’re just so disgusting, focusing your whole online presence on warning people about 99 year old guys. Come on. It’s ok to be attracted to certain people and others not so much. But just imagine everyone on the internet saying that you specifically are not worthy of attraction, because you’re part of x group. That is cruel and bigoted 🙃

[@isabelagusmao6504]

I completely forgot about Arielle's existence until now. I watched her videos like a decade ago but immediately unsubscribed when I realized she was a transphobe. Now I find out she's also a republican and antivaxxer. I just hope the harm she's doing to the minds of young wlw who look up to her (like I did years ago) can be undone someday.

[@ashyeet702]

Imagine the self-hate and insecurity poeple like her must have to be a republican and a lesbian and not support your community

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

@@ashyeet702 Or the greed and naked opportunism. She's just a trashy sociopath of a social climber, who'll happily play whatever part works to her benefit. She's also just as disposable as the rest, which she'll discover the second she becomes inconvenient.

[@truzle6133]

@@ashyeet702 imagine the ignorance and bigoted attitude people like you have when they assume everyone in the LGBTQ is a democrat 😱 And btw she's not a republican. You could never find any video or article of her ever expressing that she was, because she never has.

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

@@truzle6133 she's a conservative and allied herself alongside republicans, what

[@truzle6133]

@@lazyperfectionist3978 she identifies as a libertarian.

[@Jabberwocky112]

Your video on Arielle was an eye opener for me. She’s been doing problematic content for years, yet everyone treated you like you were crazy. Her video on trans men and bisexuals before she revealed her views is on ego the most disgusting I’ve seen on youtube. And the fact am her old trans friends have come out against her should be an eye opener for many

[@stephaniemoore8013]

No you are all just delusional.

[@Jabberwocky112]

@@stephaniemoore8013 Ah yes, in a comment section of more than 200 people, We are wrong and you are right. Sure. Hey sweetie go back to watching ridiculousness on mtv, cause…who knows…maybe you’ll have your shining moment there.

[@demetria-n]

@@stephaniemoore8013 go back to BBC

[@nineinchthread]

And kalvin garrah of all people if he does that than you know something is up

[@Kotifilosofi]

"I think the problem is that some people want to define others' sexual orientation the way they define their own." Bingo! I've talked on some lesbian spaces where the discussion turned rather TERFy. And any time that happened, the actual issue wasn't that anyone was forced to sleep with a trans woman, but that the lesbians who willingly did, also got to call themselves lesbian. In the end of the day, the motivation for these discussions never seems to be a genuine worry of having to have sex with someone you don't want to, but hating to be grouped together with the people who's preferences differ from your's (lesbians who have relationships with trans women) or who you personally have prejudices against (trans women). Kinda the same thing has happened in the trans spaces, when they said that nonbinary people are "nonbinary, not trans", even if some nonbinary people do meet the criteria for what being trans means. People just don't want to be associated with someone _they_ have prejudices against.

[@Kotifilosofi]

@Oreo I'm nonbinary ace myself, though I've thought in the past I must be lesbian before I found out ace is a thing. The short period of time I identified as lesbian, I felt more restricted than ever (I wasn't questioning my gender yet). It didn't feel the right label for me at all, even if I didn't understand why (didn't know my actual sexual orientation or gender yet). It felt like no part of me belogned to the lesbian community, even if technically I could call myself one. I don't know if it's more due to my gender or orientation. However, if I was actually attracted to women, I personally still wouldn't feel comfortable calling myself lesbian since I'd feel like it erased my gender. I'd probably call myself gynosexual instead. I think it's better to have a term that actually describes you than erases another part of you and makes people confused. But, as said, this is just my opinion, and it's fine to use whatever label you personally feel like fits ☺️

[@sapphosfriend9558]

The thing for me about the "dating question" is that almost everyone I meet who feels the need to mention the fact that they aren't interested in dating trans people (or mentions a genital preference), almost always ends up being a transphobe in other ways. Given this experience, what other conclusions am I left to draw about dating preferences other than that it's related to transphobia?

[@earthelementair]

Learn to read.

[@Emanuel-uy2ox]

I think most non-transphobes who don't want to date trans people don't make such a big deal about it, while the transphobes are so LOUD😂

[@Callimo]

Right, it sounds like a "not all polygons are squares, but all squares are polygons" type of situation.

[@ww3196]

YES! Thank you for pointing this out. I think this is the reason most trans folx also make such a big deal out of this "dating question", too. Because, more often than not, if someone is vocal about their genital preferences/dating preferences, they often turn out to be transphobic in other ways. It's not a matter of "if you won't date/fuck me, you're transphobic," it's more "You hate trans people, therefore you won't date/fuck me, so you're transphobic," if that makes sense.

[@Emanuel-uy2ox]

@thereal finalgirl most trans people agree with u

[@nattobees]

Kat's laugh when she took out her convention badge tangle gave me life that was amazing

[@KatBlaque]

LOL. I've been to so many.

[@haleyselene]

Arielle Scarcella: "Trans women are predators that force themselves on lesbians!" Also Arielle Scarcella: *tries to pressure a straight trans woman to kiss her on camera* 🙄

[@vaporean_boylove.0w083]

Sounds like projection or 'Rules for The not for Me' Idk if that's the right way to put it but that's the best way to describe it for me.

[@hope-cat4894]

It's like the Lily Cade thing but not as extreme.

[@milaliah]

Which video is that????

[@insomniiart6371]

@@nicteha13 she been exposed for that

[@wendygutierrez2963]

It was part of a video and it was a kiss on the cheek, she asked if she wanted her to be a part of the video and she said no so Arielle dropped it

[@biged8329]

Anyone else go from being a kinda-terfy lesbian to a very anti-terf trans guy in the last few years, or was that just me? It’s weird having been on the other side of things, and man, I’m glad we’ve got Kat out here doing the lord’s work and countering Scarcella’s bullshit. Creators like Kat are a huge part of how I was de-radicalized, if that’s the right word for it. So thanks again, Kat!

[@venuslove-i1v]

Yep. This was me. I deeply needed Kat's videos.

[@mikameeks]

Don't let Arielle see that... she takes issue with "losing lesbians" to the trans community also. 🙄

[@justwhy9427]

Went through something similar. Went from being a cis lesbian transmed to a non-binary lesbian. Didn’t even realize my rhetoric was problematic at the time, I’m glad I got out of that community

[@venuslove-i1v]

@doomer pill I think a lot of us became radicalized because we were fighting ourselves. Well, at least that was my case. I didn't want to accept that I was trans and that it actually existed in me so I started to attack the entire idea of it.

[@pancakeofdestiny]

Omg Big Ed! I'm so proud of how far you've come since 90 Day Fiance 💕

[@ollieno971]

As a lesbian I have definitely heard things from left queer circles that I feel like are harmful and can be seen as pressuring, for example one time I was having a conversation on some social media platform I don’t remember what where I said that as a lesbian I 100% would date a trans woman but if she didn’t have bottom surgery then I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing anything sexual with her and I had a person (if I remember right they weren’t even a trans woman) say that unless I had trauma related to penises, then I was being transphobic, which Is a huge yikes, but again it wasn’t even a trans woman saying it. There will be random shitty people in every group on every topic, that doesn’t mean every person agrees with them.

[@delicateghoul]

I feel the whole thought of "you can only say no if you have penis trauma" just negativity reinforces the idea that only penis-centric trauma is important and anything less than that is "being narrow minded". There are plenty of valid reasons to reject sex with someone that don't involve trauma

[@overgrownkudzu]

there definitely is a lot of toxicity in queer spaces in general, also infighting among trans people themselves is really bad, i just don't think the way Arielle decides to deal with those things are helping the problem in any way. If she genuinely cared, she'd maybe make educational conent and calmly and rationally explain why the sentiment is bad, not make fun of trans and nb people while posing with maga hats and guns and touting terfisms.

[@scatra1991]

So to be a lesbian only occurs as a result of negative experiences related to penises? Make it make sense!?

[@luciddreams6210]

@@delicateghoul every reason is a valid reason to reject sex with someone. Either you want to and they also want to or someone doesn't want to and if anyone doesn't want it then there's no reason to second guess their judgment or their instincts about being intimate with, or even considering being intimate with another person ever. If it doesn't feel right to you just don't do it. You never owe anyone an explanation for having your preferences or choices.

[@kermasooda]

i think a problem is terfs will take situations like these, and then turn it into "trans women are coercing me into sex" when its just someone... calling them transphobic(deserved or not).

[@classycolas]

I love that you actually research shit live before talking about it, like the whole “sexual racist” thing that didn’t even have a source… appreciate you!! ♥️

[@KatBlaque]

Im not always successful in my research, but i try

[@Kaeresh]

@@KatBlaque Not only do you try, you document your methods and finding. This is an essential part of the scientific method. You're doing great queen, keep being gorgeous! Btw: not sure if this was only on my end, I couldn't find any mentions quickly browsing through the comments, but I'm pretty sure I noticed some audio de-sync.

[@agnesvandal]

Kat I know this is super unrelated but your nails are so cute! I love the green

[@KatBlaque]

Aw thanks. Those were my Christmas nails. :D

[@jasoneaton3683]

the TERF to conservative pipeline is swift, she is the perfect example

[@vaughn_erich]

Haha yeah I think that’s their only source of more allys. Liberal social media is pro-trans/anti-terf so they won’t make headway there. Enemy of my enemy is my friend I guess. I just think it’s funny terfs don’t look around them and see some of their racist and homophobic bedfellows and think for a second…

[@hope-cat4894]

@@vaughn_erich I feel like once you start making t-shirts that say "'Bigot' is a slur", you might be doing something wrong.

[@baby_ghoul]

I'm glad you took the time to genuinely unpack her video. A lot of people fall for her fallacious arguments, but part of me always wondered if she knew better. Many transphobic creators just seem like grifters to me because there's almost always a degree of deception at play, and once you learn how to spot it, you can never unsee it because you realize what they're doing is ultimately for personal gain. The bias against trans people in society is already there, so it's essentially low effort content for high engagement. Still repulsive behavior, but I've found it numbs you and makes it easier to deconstruct their BS.

[@KatBlaque]

Exactly. This is content that requires little work for a reason

[@truzle6133]

But like what did she say that was transphobic? Basically all she did was read the article verbatim. And why is Kat and people like her allowed to question lesbians experiences ("hmm I don't know if I believe they've felt pressure to have sex with people with dicks) but she would never ever question someone's experience with being raped or molested or any other minority group that expressed negative experiences like this. It's bizarre. Lesbians are like shouting from the rooftops that's we're feeling pressure to have sex with people we don't want to have sex with and we're being met with, "lol terf."

[@realMacMadame]

​@@truzle6133 I don't know any lesbians IRL who are "shouting from the rooftops" that they are being pressured to have sex with people when they don't want to. I have seen transphobes online when asked to question their assumptions, claim you are pressuring them to have sex with people they don't want to. Um, no. I don't care who you have sex with, really. I just think saying "I don't date trans women" as if they are all the same makes no sense. If you can't tell if someone is trans and want to date them (and they don't have a penis if you don't like penis), but when you find out they are trans, you suddenly don't want to date them, then you really need to recognize where that is coming from.

[@heatherlee2967]

@truzle613 the way I see it, her implying that all trans people as predators even though she only knows individual stories makes her rhetoric transphobic. Let’s say someone looked at the documented and researched cases of how women of all demographics have been pressured to have sex by men, and they made a community all about hating men. They would be called a misandrist or man-hater. While people who’s been pushed beyond their consent should never have been treated that way, using those cases as an excuse to label an entire demographic is just bigotry hiding as social justice

[@truzle6133]

@@heatherlee2967 Excuse me, but people who have documented and researched cases of how women of all demographics have been pressured to have sex by men and made a community all about hating men are called are not called misandrists in modern day American culture. They're called feminists.

[@serazvi5387]

So I will say that in my short time dating as a cis lesbian, I have run into a few (pre-op) trans women who tried to use the "fall in love with the person not their genitals" argument with me. But as you said, I think this was more just a case of them projecting their definition of lesbian attraction -- one which doesn't necessarily place weight on a person's physiognomy so much as on their gender presentation/identity -- onto me. These women were not bad people, I could tell that much just from talking to them; just young and maybe insecure about their bodies. This is not the same as someone trying to coerce someone into sexual contact with them and I was not afraid of them because of it. I just disagreed and went on my way; I wasn't a "victim" in the slightest.

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah for me, i know a lot of people dont want to hear this but it just comes off like insecurity and something someone who hasn't embraced themselves would argue. Like, i get where it comes from but as a person who is quite confident and has an active dating life, it just seems like a weird thing to debate. I can see how "fall in love with the person" is digested as pressure. For me its like.. i hate being in a position where i have to convince someone so it just doesnt feel right

[@KatBlaque]

I'm a straight person so I don't really have a strong, overwhelming desire to participate in queer spaces. Have I been made to feel closed minded for not being interested in women? Absolutely. When you're a polyamorous, sex positive woman, people constantly assume you're bisexual and I have to constantly reinforce that I have zero desire to be with women. It's actually something I talk about quite a bit on this channel. I've had a LOT of conversations about how I need to "try it because maybe I'll like it". I don't like that, but it would actually be very shitty for me to then translate my interactions with cis women who are attracted to women as "all women with sapphic desires are predatory and pushy". Some are, yes, but the majority respect boundaries.

[@julianacheriza9673]

Yea I’m sorry if I’m a lesbian and I’m attracted to women obviously there gentians matter

[@christinerosetv]

It seems that a lot of creators like Arielle can sustain a channel just using a shocking headline and pointing out how “ridiculous it is” disregarding any kind of nuance and failing to really try to see what someone might actually be saying. In that respect, it’s comparable to a Tucker Carlson type of production 🙄

[@c12486]

yes!!

[@pearlgirl5643]

Tucker has way more nuance

[@albers1]

It seems like you disregard any kind of nuance about her by simplifying her, stating that she just uses shocking headlines and is comparable to Tucker Carlson. Are you failing to really try to see what she might actually be saying? Hmm... interesting. Someone might think that you're doing exactly what you criticize. Not so smart.

[@pagesinked]

Why is Arielle SO OBSESSED with proving her own sexuality so much and projecting so much onto others? Like we GET IT you are a lesbian, you only like women you get a gold star ig, but like do women actually like YOU? She's so insufferable. She should have quit talking shit years ago when she made those really Biphobic videos but now I guess she's so OBSESSED with talking about trans issues when she is NOT trans and tries to make it her business to talk about when she has no experience being trans. I don't understand her being so obsessed with a community she isn't a part of and now she seeks attention from conservatives and targets 'the left' bc we don't agree with her?? Also I noticed she deadnamed Elliot Page in a video title, ugh.

[@PrincessKLS]

@MissPoopySpoons I watched that video. It really sounds like she had a crush on "Ellen Paige" and then got upset when "she" came out as a guy.

[@shayrose8397]

Thank you for telling us about the Shinigami Eyes extension. Not knowing if someone is LGBT-friendly is always what makes me hesitate about subscribing to people I have never heard of, so now I don't have to worry as much about having to constantly subscribing then turning around and unsubscribing because I found out someone I started watching was actually bigoted.

[@crystallineentity7698]

Just a warning I'm not sure its being developed anymore or submissions being looked at.

[@radiatorbacon5239]

I’ve had this problem too! Especially when I agree with them on something (for example following someone because they make essays on musical history, for some reason I run into that a lot?) then just being so disappointed that they’re a shitty person

[@shannonlee4622]

Shinigami Eyes was created by a convicted rapist

[@MonarchBoo]

@@shannonlee4622 Source...? You can't just drop stuff like that on us randomly and not elaborate. Edit: I've seen you copypaste this on other comment(s?) talking about Shinigami Eyes. Yeah, you definitely need to source if you're gonna keep saying it.

[@demetria-n]

@@shannonlee4622 If their convicted they aren't getting paid yet, and the lightbulb was created by a slave owner bb.

[@lilye6824]

I think we have to draw attention to the fact that a lot of transphobic men love sleeping with and actually pursue tras women, so clearly the fact that people like Arielle don’t wanna sleep with trans people is not the reason why they’re labeled transphobic…

[@juliettedemaso7588]

Imagine using one whole ass Daily Mail op-Ed for your broad social report on an entire group of humans, and doing it incorrectly. Her video is classic grifter fear-mongering and low brow high school takedown-ology.

[@OcyTaviAh]

Imagine creating a website to claim that TERF is a slur and your entire evidence base is internet memes

[@F66x]

"What if the down with cis bus is real? What then?"

[@some_random_user_who_is_random]

Ugh, the "terf is a slur" thing...compiling a list of people saying mean things about a certain label does not make that label a slur. It would be quite easy to compile a similar list for the words gay, Christian, trekkie, what have you. If I made a shirt that said "I punch Trekkies" it wouldn't make Trekkie a slur. Also the whole "not dating trans people is transphobic" thing. I think rejecting an individual trans person who you have met and decided you're not attracted to isn't inherently transphobic. The problem most people (including myself) with the "I don't date trans people" line is that it's often said when nobody asked, and is applied to all trans people. And unpacking the reasoning for that usually leads to either generalizations about trans people (often the assumption that you'd KNOW they were trans just by looking at them with their clothes off) or incorrect assumptions about what dating a trans person is like. Plenty of trans women who have dicks would PREFER their partner not suck it or interact with it at all.

[@marocat4749]

Honestly terf is used more as descripter of a hate group, like natsee,but more specificused. And if someone is called that, the right reaction should be, is there something i did to warrant that,not call it a slur. Like rassist too, canpeople called that falsely, yes, but its notaslur at all, its a descriptor.

[@mewmew6158]

@Akairo Kaminari you can say violence from anyone isn't ok, they're plenty of people who agree with TERF declarations of violence against Trans women, so there are people like me who understand why some people would want to be violent right back to TERFs. Trans women have been told they should be murdered for existing as women, I don't blame a few them for being that kind of angry, even if it isn't "right".

[@birdsareasocialconstruct5083]

@Akairo Kaminari The "threat of extreme violence" is a common insult said by almost every 13 year old ever, adding "girl" or "tranny" to the phrase doesn't change that. They are mean insults and I don't think they help the debate, but pretending that they are any more violent that an immature teen isn't helping either.

[@R0SE727]

Regarding ur second point, that's basically the gist of how i feel abt the whole thing as well. of course ppl are entitled to reject others on the simple basis of not being attracted to them, not being attracted to an individual trans person is normal b/c everyone is different, yk? But kinda like u were saying, i think writing off trans ppl as like an entire uh... genre of person you could never be attracted to is arguably more questionable--i respect Kat's opinion b/c she's closer to the subject matter than I am (even tho i am nonbinary). I also think a problem with the "i don't date trans ppl" logic is that its a person making presumptions about what that trans persons body is like & what their bedroom preferences are without even knowing them... Some trans woman get surgery, some dont, some trans men bind, some don't, everyone is different. I think "i have a genital preference" vs. "i would never date ANY trans person EVER regardless of their personality, appearance, or body," are like two different statements, the former is more innocuous. The latter just makes you look more like you just think the idea of being trans at all is just yucky.

[@treyyert9561]

@@Lucia-te1wp LOL

[@FFigueira]

Something that really annoys me in the whole "dating trans people" debacle is that all that trans people talk about it is meant to be thought about in a collective sense, like our society as a whole should start questioning the roots of what is the attractive norm, how what is communicated as "acceptable to be attracted to" influence people. But cis people keep deciding to take this matter personally, they keep seeing as an individual attack and it's so fucking tiring. It also pisses me off that this is like one of the centerpieces of discussion about trans people because the only reason that it is is because cis people sexualize trans people so much.

[@joeyjose727]

It’s very weird thinking that Arielle was a part of my experience growing up… it’s wild what she turned into. Also when you said “the who’s who of lgbt youtube” I felt like I went back in time… lmao

[@KatBlaque]

I have no context for her other than being a transphobe haha.

[@joeyjose727]

@@KatBlaque you’re better off that way!

[@selectedshipper8282]

“Sexual racists” How do you come up with this to discribe lesbians

[@UshioKiss]

When I was in middle school one of my classmates (who also bullied me a lot) asked me if I was racist against men. I wasn't gay or anything I just didn't like him.

[@moltenkitty7157]

@@UshioKiss wtf lmfao men aren't a race

[@smolsnoodle]

Back when I was like 14 turning fifteen I found her and I was questioning my Sexuality and I found a label bisexual that fit me, and I found her and at first I was super happy then I found her really really biphobic videos and I cried for at least 20 minutes because for the first time I saw her and other people who hated me for also liking men so I'm so glad you are talking about her

[@Novjuly]

Same though i was like 21

[@myconfusedmerriment]

I'm sorry that happened to you when you were young and still finding your way. I first encountered her when I was a whole adult bisexual (idk probably mid-20s) and I had heard all the bullshit before, so I was mostly just annoyed by her. But this is part of why channels like hers are so harmful. It's hard enough being an LGBT+ kid, so it really hurts when someone who's supposed to be "on your side" tells you there's something wrong with you, too.

[@smolsnoodle]

@@myconfusedmerriment yeah it had such a negative affect because it made me think all lesbians hated me and others like me especially the would a lesbian kiss a bi girl and the bi girls reactions, I know now that she's a fucking bigot and that lesbians and pan people and others love bi people but for a second she alienated me and it was the worst which is why it's so nice to see people standing up to her content now that I'm 23

[@Phoenix-qu3ot]

which video is that?

[@smolsnoodle]

@@Phoenix-qu3ot I doubt it's still there but it was lesbians are asked if they'd date a bi person I think

[@jinx724]

The fact that I use to follow her during my sexuality journey makes me cringe so hard, granted it was before she became a lesbian republican scary person. But still I wonder if I didn't widen my scope of LGBTQ+ creators would I also hold transphobic view points or would is also pain me to do real research like Arielle. Like why couldn't I have found you years ago

[@kajielin4354]

Her videos were a first stepping stone in my journey aswell, back in like 2012 or something. I had almost forgotten about her, I didn't know she was/became such a big youtuber, and such an... uncomfortable person?

[@voxomnes9537]

The algorithm.

[@alexisasheep6554]

Same, she did have some videos way back that did help me with being insecure with my body or introducing me to things I didn't know about but it was weird to find out so many years later that she's this kind of person. Kinda felt a little sick when I found out.

[@minzey521]

same!!!

[@marocat4749]

So a pipeline , anyways you arent now.

[@llGemini19]

It's incredible to me how back in my early 20s I used to watch both you and Arielle cause y'all had similar-ish videos, talking about LGBT issues. Now I stuck with you cause you've been the only one out of the two of you who has kept true to your beliefs, albeit evolved, and didn't fall completely off a cliff. And for that, I say thanks! Thanks for having done this for such a long time! It's nice to have evolved with you even though you don't know who I am lol

[@conejitoasesinoOG]

Kat,i love how nonchalant you are about all this upsetting stuff. Like, i always end up getting my panties in a twist and getting all upset and then I watch your channel and you're like, "yeah, no" and it really calls me down. Thanks for all you do!❤️❤️❤️

[@Bioshocking12]

I’ve been waiting for this roast since she exposed herself in “Lesbians opinions on bisexuals” with the company she keeps. I was absolutely not surprised that she had this bigoted bullshit in her. She likes to make herself out the lesbian standard and she’s real conservative about that definition.

[@MiscellaneousTopics]

Omg wait I think I remember that god awful video. It had a woman with dreadlocks double-downing on biphobia if I remember correctly?

[@Nauthel98]

OMG I completely forgot about that! That video was so fucking infuriating.

[@babymilksnatcher]

Scratch a TERF, find a biphobe, it's a round Venn diagram.

[@Bioshocking12]

@@MiscellaneousTopics YES that bitch was the worst.

[@AnxiousTrap]

I had happily forgot Arielle existed :')

[@kalebh3419]

It's all very "let me whip up fear over completely theoretical threats from people I've never met or engaged with"

[@sophiathefurbst]

kinda like tiktok POVs

[@boop3260]

A now TERF ex of mine put me (nonbinary) on Shinigami Eyes as an attack, and now I can't remove the flag 😞 I still get calls every few months from random people who see my page in red and accuse me of transphobia... Am glad the site exists but damn if it doesn't retraumatise me regularly

[@Ikine557]

That's horrible!!! Is there no way you can contact the site and tell them what happened? I get that they probably don't respond to requests from people to alter their rating, but surely they could look into your case and see that there's no reason for you to be flagged.

[@boop3260]

@@Ikine557 I messaged the creator on Twitter but they never replied :( I don't think there's any way to remove yourself because it's based on recommendations from others. Everyone that I've spoken to who's contacted me always apologises once they know what's up, and tbh I understand wanting to screen the community for ones safety. I know it's nothing personal but oof

[@Jukajobs]

as far as i know, only one single person flagging you isn't enough for everyone else who uses the extension to see you as flagged. in my understanding, when someone is being flagged a lot, someone from SE checks out what they're saying and defines whether they'll appear as flagged for everyone or not. so maybe there were multiple people trying to get you flagged, or maybe someone working on SE fucked something up. in any case, if you go to the page where you can get the extension for chrome (even if you're not using chrome), you get the option "contact the developer" if you scroll down a little bit, on the lower right. so maybe that could work better.

[@shannonlee4622]

Shinigami Eyes was made by a convicted rapist

[@shannonlee4622]

@@boop3260 the creator is in jail

[@ryanthomasjones]

A few years ago I built my KZbin platform around this whole conversation. It feels yucky in retrospect, but at the time I was hopeful that I was going to be a voice of reason to win over transphobes. I did a minor colab with Arielle. And I was making videos saying the kinds of things she and her crew wanted to hear. But I noticed that instead of working for ways to bring resolution between our communities, she would double-down on the talking points. I noticed that her anti-trans rants were getting tons of views, and her other videos weren't. So if she was going to pay her bills, she needed to post the videos that get the views. She has a vested interest in stoking the drama, and she has no interest in resolving it. And I just thought, I'm done trying to have this conversation because I feel like it will never be in good faith. You can't change someone's mind when their paycheck depends on them not changing.

[@KatBlaque]

I see her as a very opportunistic person. I know she mostly does this for money. Her job is very easy. I remember being very frustrated that i tried to reach her and she just doubled down. Such is life

[@ryanthomasjones]

@@KatBlaque Disappointing. I can't imagine she likes what her channel has become. You can sell your soul but you can never buy it back.

[@jimmiefarmer3022]

"It’s difficult to get a person to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it." ~Upton Sinclair (paraphrased to be gender neutral) Fancy quotes aside, not only is she obviously a grifter I also get strong "True Believer" vibes. It's the latter that scares me more, and brings to mind the Maya Angelou quote: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

[@MeNatalieMarie]

Have you changed your views on all those things Arielle and her crew wanted to hear? You're name is still tagged as anti-trans thru shinigami eyes.

[@ryanthomasjones]

@@MeNatalieMarie Oh wonderful. I don't think I ever said anything that was explicitly transphobic. But I was only vocalizing the parts I knew that people like her would agree with, and intentionally remaining silent on the parts I knew they wouldn't. The idea was going to be that once I won over their trust, I could then start to bring them out of their transphobia. But by the time I got to the place where I had earned a voice with them, I was too exhausted from the conversation to keep engaging. Unfortunately that left most people on both sides assuming I lined up with the transphobes. It would be nice to clear my name with shinigami. But also, I'm just so tired of engaging in transgender discourse anymore. Once I stopped engaging with transphobes, I no longer had to justify my existence, and my life became so much more peaceful. Apart from dropping an occasional comment on one of Kat's videos, this is just really a conversation I don't care to be a part of anymore.

[@blakethegirl]

I am a queer, dark-skinned cis-femme. I am dating a person that IDs as a NB female. I really appreciate this video. I 1000% agree that sexuality is individualized and private. I've always question what sexual attraction is according to the our POCLGBIQTA2+ masses and I find as we speak our truths to break the molds of our oppressors, we actively participate in oppressing our own. Thank you for articulating what I've been trying to say for forever!

[@FayeGwenn]

girl just recited the whole motherf alphabet as an acronym

[@akinyiomer4589]

I'm honestly not trying to be weird when I ask this, but is that acronym real? Or was this a joke-y, exaggerated thing that flew over my head? Because ... wtf.

[@covfefemaga7918]

If your sexuality is private why is it all you people talk about and insist on everyone else participating in by pretending you are things you're not?

[@tinykites5987]

Honestly the most enlightening take I've seen on this was a tumblr post of all things a few years back written by a trans woman where the central message was "having sex with a trans woman will never be the exact same as with a cis man". It was essentially pointing out a lot of ignorance about what sex with a trans woman actually looked like, that it wasn't de facto penetration and blowjobs and how dysphoria and transitioning can also play a significant role. And while that will probably sound obvious to a lot of people, it was new information to many cis lesbians and really brought the conversation back to negotiating the kind of sex you desire and boundaries. If your boundary is that you don't want to interact with a penis and that's also your trans partner's preference, is that still a problem for you? Why have you assumed it would be a problem for her? It leaves space for lesbians who would feel uncomfortable or traumatised around dicks to reject trans partners without expressing transphobia. The problem to me is the transphobic perception that in an intimate space, trans women will remove the mask and show themselves to literally be men underneath - men who only care about forcing themselves on women. While I can't exactly claim experience, the fact that there are so many misconceptions around what a sexual relationship with a trans woman can look like feels central to a lot of the fear and exaggeration. You are always free to express a boundary but you should never assume what someone else wants. Btw it's a testimony to how dedicated Kat is to seeing all sides that she didn't immediately shrug off a Daily Mail article as hyperbole lmao. Thank you for taking time to separate out the bigotry in the argument

[@CitiesSkyGay]

I hate how a good amount of these gay and lesbians from the early 2010s Era have become so problematic and proudly so. With Arielle in particular... being a TERF has given her an obsession. She's just so obsessed with talking about how much she only likes cis women and gatekeeping the lesbian community

[@arianafox365]

Woah woah. As a millennial gay I can say with certainty that many of us are NOT like this. I spent my twenties living in San Francisco (aka one of the gayest cities in the US) and no one I knew had any kind of views anywhere near this Crazy Terf Lady

[@arianafox365]

With each generation we become more and more liberal and open to ideas. That’s why millennials are more woke then Gen X, Gen X is more woke then Boomers, etc. in twenty years Gen Alpha will be complaining about how unwoke you guys are compared to them. (My son is Gen Alpha I can’t wait to hear it lol). It’s just part of the speed we are progressing as a species, it’s not that complicated lol

[@UshioKiss]

I could not care less about Arielle but I love to hear your thoughts on anything

[@naomireider2799]

Let it say something that I liked her and Blair’s when I going through my own internalized transphobia before transition

[@TheCrowFKAPS]

I caught my father watching an Arielle Scarcella video and I screamed "NO, NOT HER!!" (It was her new math video.) He was very straight and confused.

[@emilymoran9152]

What Stonewall seem to be complaining about is a very poorly researched BBC article where people were making claims about FEELING pressured by the CONCEPT of trans lesbians - not by any specific trans lesbians. And, even if the latter were the case (because creeps exist in any demographic group), it would still be weird to apply it to all trans women. Hence the racism comparison: Even if one black dude is a creep to you, it doesn't mean all black dudes are creeps! Sean dissected the whole BBC thing nicely: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGXFpn2Dgs6qmck

[@marocat4749]

BBC is , yes transphobic, there is even sophie of mars speech thats inspiring and calling it out.

[@30seagullsinatrenchcoat11]

Yes, both Shaun and Sophie from Mars have excellent videos on just how infuriatingly bad the BBC article is.

[@marocat4749]

Jesse gender , and council of geeks, who both ate huge dr who fans also did have that and do link to that every review out of dr who. Jesse is more playing the seeing th best case possible, without overloking how bad it is, so steelmanning i think. Add the abuse cases and alligation. F the guy who played mickey.

[@heatherlee2967]

+

[@hope-cat4894]

@@marocat4749 Aw, something happened with the actor who played Mickey? I liked that character.

[@sament6033]

No one should be pressured into sex!! lesbian or otherwise, if someone is uncomfortable with certain genitals, that's fine. its not transphobic to say that you'd be uncomfortable having sex with a trans person who hasn't gone through certain surgeries. some things make certain people uncomfortable, and that's ok. boundaries are important. What is transphobia, however, is telling a trans person without those surgeries that because they haven't had them, they're not trans, or they're not valid, or they're a liar for not telling the specifics of their gender and sex.

[@Wolfgang8-Y]

I'd argue that saying you wouldn't have sex with a trans person _can_ be transphobic depending on context. Rejecting someone based on sexual boundaries? Nothing wrong with that. Talking about sexual boundaries when it comes up in conversation? Totally fine! Bringing up how unattractive you think someone is when they have never expressed interest in you? Commenting your sexual preferences on an unrelated video or forum? Making rant videos about how you would never date a non-existent member of a certain group? Weird. All of those (by virtue of their being otherwise irrelevant) seem to imply that the very existence of trans people is sexual and puts people around us in danger of sexual assualt. Same vibes as "Oh, you're gay? You better not be attracted to _me."_

[@sament6033]

@@Wolfgang8-Y I totally agree, and I'm also very glad that you're so much better at putting it into words than I am.

[@Lily-qk9dj]

That’s like saying if I tell someone to go to hell I’m forcing them to die 😂

[@rikaniebangbang]

This. Like, I died from laughter reading this, but also yes. It's true.

[@charliebeaux4059]

/pressuring them to die 🤣

[@KatBlaque]

How dare you pressure them into satanism

[@jaylin6663]

The older I get, the more I realized that sexuality is a fluid thing. Anything is possible and the labels only matter is you want them to. At the end of the day. Know what you want, your worth, and who adds value.

[@pia_mater]

Not everyone's sexuality is fluid. Im pretty sure mine isn't

[@jaylin6663]

@@pia_mater I'm pretty sure mine isn't either lol. I'm thinking more about how sexuality itself it evolves over time more than how we interact with it.

[@aliross2720]

@@jaylin6663 I'm a straight cis woman and really have no desire to date or have sex with another woman or even a transman if I'm totally honest. That being said when it comes to porn I watch straight, lesbian, gay and trans...I like variety and I'm much more fluid in my porn because it's more fantasy that doesn't always revolve around myself if you get me? porn is not reality to me. In terms of actually wanting to date and have sex with someone it's only cis men.

[@pirate_tacos]

Was th Article she was talking about the one that platformed Trans genocide enthusiast and alleged sexual assaulter Lily Cade?

[@KatBlaque]

yep. That exact article.

[@pirate_tacos]

@@KatBlaque Interesting. not Suspicious at all

[@Rossman1234567891011]

I find it rather interesting that Arielle didn’t talk about lily cade and her sexual assaults in her video. She’s truly despicable.

[@ladyfox7193]

Not even "alleged" sexual assaulter. Cade admitted it herself, more than once.

[@somik-i3x]

@@Rossman1234567891011 Look SA is important when trans people are in the conversation (not as victim, obviously). The rest of the time, Terf doesn't care about SA.

[@silenceofthegiles]

does arielle even date? bc, as a lesbian who does date women regulary even, no trans woman is forcing herself onto me

[@tobeseve4020]

Has anyone ever met a trans person who's even remotely similar to the boogeyman "if you don't sleep with me right now you're transphobic and canceled" trans stereotype? I know a lot of trans people, don't know where they're hiding. Maybe it's just because I'm asexual, idk. Edit: Just wanna clarify: I'm also trans. I know trans people because I'm trans. Sorry, that wasn't clear.

[@ashred4951]

I never have, I’m sure they exist and it could just be bc I tend to hang out with like minded people + the internet is kind of an echo chamber but every trans person I know (self included) doesn’t really care, like the most that anyone has said is that it sucks that their transness can limit their dating pool, but never that anyone has to date them. I’ve seen some tweets and stuff where people do say stuff like this but it’s mostly in anti trans articles so I have to question exactly how wide spread it is. At the end of the day there are trans people who think like that, but I think it’s more of an issue with a sense of entitlement that some people hold in every community, and not actually representative of a problem with trans people as a whole.

[@KatBlaque]

I think these people are mostly discussing dating app interactions

[@kirbyizlife]

This whole perception of trans people as “unhinged angry activists who fly off the handle if you so much as enact a slight microagression against them” is so dramatically opposite of reality. Yeah there are some on the internet but the internet is not real life

[@omg9852]

@@kirbyizlife people need to stop picking out tasteless tweets made by edgy assholes and saying “yep that’s everyone in the group!!”

[@delicateghoul]

I met a transgirl once who pretty much behaved this way, but she was also clearly mentally ill, so I assume that (and not her transness) was the main factor for her pushiness. Her rant was more along the lines of "I hate when people aren't attracted to me" after being rejected, which comes across more as a bruised ego than a predator- at least in my opinion

[@bloodycoffee9293]

"Sexual racism," when applied to transphobic lesbians; sounds like they called themselves that, then got mad at trans lesbians about it. Kinda similar to when men set up impossible standards for themselves, and then get mad at women about those standards. Although I too am not a lesbian so I can't say for sure what's going on in those spaces. 🤷‍♀️ Point is I definitely did not miss seeing Arielle's face. Edit: Also the fact that she's getting her research from the BBC already tells me everything I need to know 🤣

[@Theye101499]

I really wish i would have saved that "Dear Black Women, Love gay Men" video because I still can't believe it existed. Does anyone remember it? She's always been a piece of work.

[@Leuca.]

I just can't imagine what it must be like to still feel/think/speak that way, when we have amazing minds like you and other trans creators generating the most thought-provoking content/conversations. I remember way back in the day she used to just do more collaborative content surrounding sex "positivity"/education, but she's just fallen off a cliff. She harbors so much negativity/seems to stress herself out and you can honestly see it, physically on her. Part of me is grossed out/angry with her type of TERF dialogue and part of me just feels repulsed pity for her.

[@roguestowl2280]

I agree Kat. As a trans guy, I certainly wouldn’t want anyone to date me out of a sense of obligation, or fear of appearing transphobic. People have preferences, it’s fine.

[@beckyboo1001]

Hey Kat, loved this throwback! I remember Arielle as being one of the first lesbian YTers I found when I was a teen discovering myself, and even at 14 I started to sense a real feeling of judgement and anger for other members of her community and stopped watching. This was such an interesting video because as I think you rightly pointed out, even though some of the tweets on that (terribly named) website were maybe not a great approach, but even given the most open minded reading, none of them could be this "proof" that Arielle claimed of "hundreds and thousands" of lesbians being pressured into sex with trans women. In my own opnion, most of them had very few likes and were clearly tweeted into the void with anger and frustration. A pretty fair reaction to the real physical harm that TERFS are doing, although occasionally cringey and maybe unhelpful.

[@starcherry6814]

4:40 Tell me why I thought she was about to say Dashcon!!🤣

[@rachelv673]

"Oh shit did I just think about this in a deeper way than she did"--yeah Kat you're smarter than her (granted she's not setting the bar high and we already know you're brilliant)

[@sophiaec2607]

THANK YOU Im a lesbian and so confused where this conversation is happening because I have never ever been pressured to sleep with trans women - the only pressure i've experienced has been pressure from general society to be straight, like men and like penises But ive never ever had pressure to like penises from LGBT spaces and especially never from trans people I feel like lesbians and trans women actually have a lot more in common than people realise and I relate to straight trans women, more than straight cis women, as trans women and lesbians are both painted as predatory and excluded from womanhood / compared to men often (obviously trans women experience this much more prevalently) so I find trans women and lesbians alike (and trans lesbians especially) to be OVERLY cautious with boundaries and making sure everyone's comfortable

[@banina1836]

Recently I had an omni person trying to tell me that I wasn't bi but either poly/omni/pan because "BI MEANS TWO". Then went on a rant about how most bi people are pan/omni/poly but "it requires understanding there are more than 2 genders" pretty much implying I'm transphobic to enby people. Yea the defining sexuality thing really hit me

[@babymilksnatcher]

bi indeed means two... as in you like two genders, not as in you believe there is only two genders. completely different.

[@PrincessKLS]

I had a pansexual jump on me once on the whispers app and made weird assumptions about how I approach people because I mentioned having attractions for transgender women. I thought it was strange because pansexual is so inclusive of transgender people.

[@tyghe_bright]

The "study" she referenced not only had a very small sample size--it equated feeling social pressure because of people online saying "trans women are women" with trans women coercing them to have sex with them. There's all kinds of other issues with the article and the study it was based on.

[@ALARMINGadaora]

I remember when other Black lesbian creators made content with her too but omits mostly been removed. It’s wild to see how she just took off her mask almost overnight lmfao

[@UshioKiss]

The colors in this video are amazing, I love your lighting setup!

[@BlueBeetle1939]

I honestly don't get how there is pressure presumably there are cis women she doesn't want to sleep with is there "pressure" there? Just don't sleep with someone you don't want to

[@BlueBeetle1939]

Like just be like I don't find you attractive why even bring up their genitalia?

[@ponyo3922]

LITERALLY

[@mxmissy]

I really liked Arielle like at the start because there wasn't a lot of out queer women on KZbin, so it was always great watching her videos and getting a perspective as someone who was very closeted at the time. But now it's just so, exhausting. Like I mean I probably stopped watching her in 2010, 2011? I think I was still watching her on and off, but I think the video that kind of landed the nail in the coffin was her video about what lesbians think about bisexual women. While I don't ID as bisexual, I still align myself with bisexual communities and groups because there's no pansexual ones, but it really fucking hurt that that's what a lot of these lesbians think about us, and while she never stated her beliefs outright (aside from saying "you should be able to date who you want to date") from what I've seen she holds some very biphobic views. And her influence in the queer community dwindled so fast due to her transphobic beliefs. I'm glad that not a lot of people really listen to her anymore, but man.

[@pagesinked]

Yeah as a Bi/pan woman I've hated her for years for her VERY biphobic videos and I can't believe she is still on youtube and STILL spewing bullshit opinions, like why is she so obsessed ??

[@sprout_gen]

The terf is a slur website is basically a compilation of trans women venting online in ways that could be considered “offensive.” It’s definitely taking their moments of anger and frustration out of context for the purpose of misrepresenting them.

[@cutietae247]

The notification brought me here ,but the thumbnail... that is something. Lesbian racists , *and* facepaint ....a lot going on

[@dontuserachelslurs]

Been using shinigami eyes for a long time now. always afraid to tell people publicly about it because it's a community tagging tool and therefore susceptible to abuse. But so far i've never seen it be wrong.

[@aud7593]

@@borednerd5767 you should still double check anything tagged though, especially on social media like tumblr and twitter. i haven't seen many cases of this, but i have seen cases of people being wrongfully tagged as transphobic/anti-trans, enough that i take a few seconds to check before blocking.

[@shannonlee4622]

Shinigami Eyes was created by a convicted rapist

[@VibingMeike]

@@shannonlee4622 Source?

[@zaspo_sapin7620]

@@shannonlee4622 where did ya get that from?

[@Ranger881]

Oh God I remember this lady from way back in like 2014.. thankfully as an impressionable questioning kid i thought her vibes were weird and never watched her. I identified as a cis lesbian at the time and I //know// that if I had watched her and took her word as gospel it would've set me back years in accepting myself (as bi / attracted to people of all genders and Not cisgender). Instead I watched people like Calvin Garrah and Blaire White which is Not any better tbh. Conservative LGBT people just confuse me. Fighting over the stupidest shit instead of the actual oppression we face. I wonder if these people even know that there are many countries in which being gay is still a crime or even a death sentence? Let alone being trans? It's as if they think oppressing other minorities will gain them greater societal acceptance. When the people they pander to do not accept them at all. Arielle is just a whole lotta Yikes.

[@borednerd5767]

💗💜💙

[@kuromushi3464]

Shinigami eyes was definitely made by a death note fan 🤣

[@undertakenheart]

Where I start considering people transphobic is when the relationship is going great and then the cis person finds out their partner is trans and suddenly there's a problem. Like at that point, they definitely need to look into themselves to think why suddenly you can't be with your partner anymore. I can ~kinda~ understand being lied to but what about people wanting to just protect themselves or just thinking I've lived as a woman for so long that it's honestly just not on their mind?

[@greynotchristian]

im BLOWN AWAY by the shinigami extension, will be using it all the time now

[@HNGuthrie]

So, her source is a sensationalist headline from the Daily Fail. Ooookay...

[@exhaustedlesbian]

RIGHT? I wouldn't even wipe my ASS with that rag...

[@MainelyMandy]

I remember I happened to subscribe to Arielle right before she started really diving deep into the transphobia. Once I realized what she was about, I unsubbed and just kinda moved on. I was surprised when about...what was it, a year ago?...she popped up on Twitter claiming to be the "most hated lesbian" on the internet. I was like "I literally haven't thought about you in years. Wtf?"

[@ailish2284]

I never really engaged with her content maybe one or two videos when I was really into people like Jaclyn Glenn but once I stopped watching her Arielle completely fell off my radar

[@Jabberwocky112]

Oof, jaclyn Glenn is another bag of bones to get into but that would take a contrapoints level video essay to analyze😅

[@KatBlaque]

Fun story, i ran into her once and she looked like she saw a ghost or something. It was really odd because i only vaguely remember her being an atheist

[@Sile-na-gcioch]

Kat has the amazing ability to cover upsetting topics but still leave me feeling positive and energized to do good after the video :) Really appreciate it, cause sometimes the way (objectively bad) stuff gets covered makes you want to just shut down, which doesn't help anyone! :')

[@connie420girl]

this is such a full circle moment lol the original ar*elle video was how i first discovered kat

[@KatBlaque]

lol!

[@jannecapelle_art]

i think it matters way more how a person treats real trans people, or the "idea" on transness, than whether or not they want to sleep with specific trans people. and HOW they word their opinions obviously.

[@realMacMadame]

I think that's the point though. Saying "I don't date trans people" as if they all are the same is not the same as saying "I don't want to date you."

[@bluemagix16]

i remember when i first started interacting with lesbian/queer internet spheres, back in maybe 2015? she did lots of collabs with others, but i remember there was always something off about the her stuff. if i recall correctly there were discussions already back then about her not having the best opinions and expressing them in her content. the biggest red flag at the time was her hatred for bisexuals and subscribing to the idea of 'gold star lesbians'. if you remember that, her coming out as a transphobe isnt that surprising...

[@natatatm]

yeah, she was one of the first queer youtubers i watched when i came out as bi, and then that all happened and i was like nope...

[@VictoriaGrace97]

As a WLW who has dated trans women most of what I’ve personally experienced has been a hesitation to even express attraction to me for fear of making me uncomfortable. Like their transness is some weapon that they have to show me isn’t loaded. It’s horrible. People treat other people badly and pressure them and it’s a problem, I get it. Consent is a concept not all people grasp. But, I think that people like A.S. aren’t fully understanding the damage they’re doing to these women in choosing this specific topic as their crusade. Trans women aren’t predators just because you see them as adjacent to men. Not being attracted to trans women is personal, and you should probably keep it to yourself when it isn’t relevant. Characterizing large swaths of an oppressed group this way is not the same thing. It’s bigoted.

[@UshioKiss]

omg I'm definitely getting on that podcast train. following you on Spotify right now

[@Applemangh]

Considering a huge part of lgbt+ rhetoric is some variation of "born this way", it's really weird to tell someone (in this case, lesbians) who or what they are SUPPOSED to be attracted to. Didn't we all kind of agree that you don't really get to choose who you're attracted to? Can we just dump the labels and say that everyone is a person and is allowed to be attracted to whatever other people they happen to be attracted to? And everyone is allowed to not be attracted to whoever they aren't attracted to and refuse sex with literally antibody for literally any reason?

[@KatBlaque]

I pretty clearly state that i think Arielle is free to reject trans women and i dont think it's transphobic to reject a trans person. Did you hear that or did you just want to yell me what to believe

[@Batcatrat]

The ginger hair suits you so much!

[@Undeadharpie]

I spat my water at her title

[@politikam7573]

I'm sorry but Arielle is right about Stonewall. Calling it "sexual racism" might not be totally accurate, but Stonewall's CEO indeed did say "if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people then it's worth considering how your societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions" but it is an absurd comparison to include trans people in that list. Dating does imply sexual attraction, so if you are not attracted to a person who doesn't have the basic requirements for you to be sexually attracted to them, that has zero to do with prejudices. So that a lesbian has now to question her sexual orientation for not wanting to date trans women it's nonsensical. Having said that, I'm sure trans women attracted to women, can indeed find dating partners in the bisexual, pansexual or even heterosexual demographic

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

I call her Arielle Varicella. If you're lucky, you only have to deal with her once. Otherwise, she might come back later as a bad case of shingles.

[@athousandlives7231]

Not gonna lie I might use that, not necessarily with her (don‘t really knew her before this vid), but it definitely applies to more people than her. Also from a science point of view it‘s just a very good microbe joke. 😂

[@deezname6417]

This is definitely something I've struggled with myself as a lesbian. I believe transwomen are women, and hot and all that, but I'm not into penises either. But I found myself in a relationship (well, married) with someone who, at the the time was still transitioning. I was like, "she's a woman, no big deal, parts be damned", and the sex was enjoyable...But thinking back on it, I didn't enjoy the uh, gentalia part. I liked that she was enjoying herself and comfortable around me during our uh, intimate time, but yeah. And I've had thoughts about what I'd do in the future of wanting to pursue transwomen, and my thoughts go between, "no big deal, but I'd prefer her to be fully transitioned to she deserves someone who will accept her throughout her whole transition." And I don't know if that makes me a shitty person for thinking that. "Like, hey, I think you're a hot cinnamon bun, but wanted to make sure you're fully cooked." Sounds terrible.

[@laurellee1435]

I think a lot of these discussions conflate genital preferences with whether or not people consider trans women as partners. There's a lot of overlap certainly, but there seems a big difference between not feeling sexually compatible with dick or having a strong sexual desire for vulvas which isn't there with dick, and having huge repulsion to the idea of dating a trans woman you're attracted to who you'd never actually know was a trans woman if she hadn't told you because outwardly her body is the same. I think all of it can be questioned but one is certainly more troubling than the other. One you can compare to people who have body hair or weight preferences or who get squicky about deformities even if they know its wrong. The other not so much.

[@deezname6417]

@@laurellee1435 How can you not do that? Your nether regions is a part of you ( I know surgeries happen but a lot of people don't get that opportunity and even if they do it's hella expensive and draining)...Even growing hair thing doesn't quite compare I think. You can shave that bitch off and let it grow again whenever you don't feel like shaving Or you could not shave at all, but the choice is there, yeah?...And your weight is something you can change (most times), albeit it's hard to. I remember how it would affect her when she would tell me her difficulties in dating. And I didn't quite get it because my mindset was, "I get it. I'm black and I know it can suck. But just focus your energy of the people who don't care. Why give your energy to the ones who do?"

[@des8336]

I’m a straight woman (and married) but if I were single, sure I’d be intimate with a trans man but only if he has a penis because I have an aversion to vaginas. I think it’s fine for us to have those preferences.

[@transantag]

@@laurellee1435 I think this comment is very much ignoring the fact that sex is a vital part of relationships for a large amount of people. Like, yes, a romantic and/or intimate relationship can exist without sex, but not everyone wants that sort of relationship. I'm aro, but still VERY interested in sex. However, due to some particular... quirks of mine, we'll say, I'd only ever want to have a sexual relationship with someone I knew well, and knew I got along well with. In my case it's switched around, but I'd never ask someone looking for a romantic relationship to just stick around for sex and friendship because that works for me. And I think that expecting people to be able to accept a romantic relationship without sex, no questions asked, is unhealthy. I do think that sexual preferences are often born of society, but I also don't think people should do things sexually they don't want. In all honesty, I think this is a hellish combination of the fact that being trans is a very particular experience, one that involves just as much outside harm as inner turmoil, society TM, and normal sexual incompatibility.

[@laurellee1435]

@@transantag I think my comment is unclear. I'm talking about the difference between someone who has a genital preference (which is a normal thing in sex. We all have body or sexual preferences) and people who are just turned off by the idea that someone is trans, ie they are still against the idea of dating a woman who has had operations to have a sexually functional vulva and vagina just because of what used to be there. Because many trans women have the same external body as cis women and can do the same things. I'm saying being against sleeping with trans women in general including those indistinguishable from cis women is more problematic than someone who has a reason to believe they will be sexually incompatible based on genital differences. I'm assuming that my first comment was unclear as all the comments seem to be disagreeing with me despite me not having a disagreement with the comments

[@Thegirlnamedsomthing]

You seem to have such a happy and carefree disposition in this video. I felt my mood lifting just watching this despite the subject matter. I hope it means life is treating you well!

[@INAN2222]

💗Indeed! I hope so as well Ms. Kat. 💗

[@kiki-drawer2669]

I'm ttand and I agree. If I were to sit down and have a conversation with someone and they said they weren't interested I'd be ok with that! Rejection is natural and fine. The real problem is that no trans person should fear for their life when they reveal they are trans. You also shouldn't feel stuck dating with someone if you know it's not gonna last. Its a horrible feeling and drawing those things out only lead to a far worse experience

[@shreya6234]

I love that this lgbt+ service is called Shinigami Eyes- it’s a Death Note reference !!

[@ShinigamiRyan]

Too bad teh app is made by a rapist.

[@blackcanary5188]

Love the hair Kat! The color is beautiful!

[@cassied.6731]

I do think it's important to think about the way transphobia colors our thoughts, opinions, and actions, but regardless of whether or not a willingness to sleep with someone is a part of that the fact is they're not comfortable sleeping with a trans person, and regardless of the reason I know that I, personally, would never want to have sex with someone not fully comfortable and willing and happy to have sex with me, and I'd never want to have sex with someone I'm not fully comfortable with. Even if (I want to emphasize "if" here) being raised in a transphobic society plays a part, that doesn't mean that it always plays a part, and they're are plenty of transphobes that are happy to have sex with trans people so the issue is obviously more nuanced and complex than "if you don't want to sleep with trans people you're a transphobe." At the end of the day, I don't want to have sex with someone that doesn't want to have sex with me, regardless of why. If we really want to talk about how transness affects attraction and sexual actions, while we do need to talk about how society has labelled attraction to trans people as taboo, we also need to talk about the fetishization of trans people (especially trans women) and the ways in which people don't want to publically be seen as a partner of a trans person, among others. This issue is more nuanced than many people pretend it is in multiple different directions, and considering that the issue affects trans people so much reducing it to pointing fingers at people and calling them transphobes does the people who do that (and the entire community) a disservice.

[@stxllacxmet5490]

Might be my pessimistic view, but honestly I wouldn’t have been surprised if she was trying to get you to do the kissing thing as a way to spin you and other trans people into predators.