David Barton | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 57

David Barton - best selling author, historian, and founder of WallBuilders, a national pro-family organization that focuses on America's forgotten moral, religious, and constitutional heritage - joins Ben to discuss the Founding Fathers, America's War for Independence, the Jefferson Bible, Benedict Arnold, the Federalist Papers, God, faith, morality, and much more.
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[@MrKillerRC]

This guy needs like 3 more hours. Amazing wealth of knowledge.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

For President: Yahweh/Yeshua/Holy Ghost.

[@switzerlandful]

...and the man also searched for it. Perhaps searching for it gives it more value.

[@switzerlandful]

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it on to our children in the blood stream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same... or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

[@TheGuy030770]

Kent Keller, Dr. David Barton has a whole slew of videos on KZbin. I listen to them while I am at work all day. Steve Crowder and others have been interviewing him, but David has been doing this a long long time. Too bad I never knew about him before this year.

[@TheMorning_Son]

We should have a type of Patriotic Apologetics. That is what we really need.

[@ernestoberger7589]

Ben is becoming a master interviewer. He knows exactly when it is more beneficial to let the interviewee just talk without any interruptions. A lot of people don't do that. They can't let go of their need for controlling every second of the interaction.

[@icanmanifest]

Ernesto Berger that's because they're always trying the shape the message versus hear and learn from the message!

[@fredmiller6166]

Mark Levin shines in that area too.

[@truthjusticeliberty4all]

As much as I love him Sean Hannity comes to mind! 😊

[@erikweisz6647]

But the interviewer asking good questions makes the interview also

[@Killlerbee]

I studied under David at a seminar almost 30 years ago and his views were so refreshing. With time he has become a wonderfully knowledgeable orator. I used his materials (on cassette and VHS tapes) to home school my children. Every Christian in America needs to know MORE about the faith based roots of our founding fathers. Thanks Ben for sharing him with us today!

[@marckspal]

Imagine if every graduating student could articulate American history like David Barton... How different would our country be?

[@clackferguson6471]

That's a depressing thought.

[@mindyvaughan9638]

This is great, I love David Barton! My kids are homeschooled, and the curriculum they use, uses original source material, and they love it! Its so important if you want them to love the country, they have to understand why they fought for it back then, and why it’s still worth fighting for

[@postalinVT]

Mindy, Davis Barton ROCKS !!!

[@mindyvaughan9638]

Kincaid7 thats what we use! They love it, and I catch myself getting sucked in too! I highly recommend it for anyone who wants to homeschool!

[@lupelouis1844]

Hi Mindy, we use Abeka for homeschooling. I enjoy all of the books in the reading class and their history books. They never forget to involve God in everything. I will look into what you use for school. I've never heard of those.

[@mindyvaughan9638]

Lupe Louis I’ve heard good things about the one you use too

[@GUITARTIME2024]

My kid is public schools and she loves it. We correct any loopy stuff.

[@tonywilliams6428]

I'd never heard of Mr. Barton, but I found this interview VERY enlightening!

[@amyjohnson5839]

Check out his website Wallbuilders.com and his videos on KZbin... it will blow your mind! He backs up everything he says or has written with facts. I've been following him for over 25 years.

[@tonywilliams6428]

Rad Amy, thanks for the link! Will do.

[@edmonddantes3640]

I have seen him speak twice in person and he is fascinating, his depth of knowledge is amazing and he is an humble personable man. If you ever get the chance to attend his lecture, don't hesitate, GO!!

[@amyjohnson5839]

@@edmonddantes3640 definitely, I've had the pleasure of hearing him speak once years ago. I would love to see him again and go to his museum/library in Aledo.

[@heroesdelve]

If you have Amazon Prime, I just saw that he has his video series on the founding fathers available to watch.

[@FulfillingTorahMinistries]

David Barton has become a GREAT American Historian. I've been following him for almost 40 years.

[@FulfillingTorahMinistries]

He has a lock of George Washington's hair. He could CLONE his own George Washington!

[@mzk1489]

I love the way Ben just sits and listens; lets the man supply information.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The Hebrew god of the Bible, Yahweh, and his Jewish son, Yeshua, for President.

[@angelfigueroa6538]

@@JamesRichardWiley- That is the way Yahweh wanted it since the beginning of earth, not a man to rule, but God to rule over his people. Yeshua is the King, and his kingdom will come down to earth once he returns. On that day every knee will bow down to the Almighty God.

[@s.m.r.swasey1296]

As a Follower of Christ. This was really refreshing. I have been saying for awhile now this is all a war on God on Christ himself. Waged by the devil. Good thing we already won.

[@manholeeunuchsbane6197]

So you've already won, yet you're still at war? Lulz. You might want to check your logical fallacy there.

[@Blessedfamilymama]

Amen

[@manholeeunuchsbane6197]

@Jonathan Lumbreras -No Jon, the post doesn't make any sense. You don't continue fighting a war that you've already won. It's a contradiction in terms that even a child could point out. I imagine you're going to come back with something like "it's an eternal war", which is fine, but that means the war hasn't been won.

[@manholeeunuchsbane6197]

@Some Thing -Um, yeah, no. I've read much of it already and it simply does not speak to me.

[@manholeeunuchsbane6197]

@Some Thing -Um yeah, no. Lulz. It's one of a number of fairy tales that has persisted throughout the centuries, Some Thing. The vast majority of it is borrowed or paraphrased from other myths. I know that mortality is a hard thing to accept, but I prefer not to delude myself regarding it. And please explain to me how the original post is not a blatent logical fallacy. Why would one continue to fight a war that they had already won? Support your statement.

[@lrnbrgr884]

Thank you, Ben Shapiro, for allowing David Barton to talk freely, without interrupting or arguing.

[@blackconservativeogee9390]

It is refreshing to hear the true history of the love of God in America in a time when many hate God today.

[@130alon]

I've been following David Barton for many years. Absolutely delighted to see him here with Ben.

[@williamfarris2291]

Audre Myers David Barton stallworth, solid,Christian, patriot, PERIOD!!

[@timmahoney2541]

@@morlu8281 Pseudo-scholarship (from pseudo-and scholarship) is a work (e.g., publication, lecture) or body of work . Do you mean he is not scholarly?

[@ShawnRavish]

@@morlu8281 Declaration of Independence was written, and to some still is. So what evidence do you have that makes a valid arguement for your statement that he manipulates data and takes out of context the founder's quotes?

[@ShawnRavish]

Controversial...not always a bad thing. Individual liberty was controversial when the Declaration of Independence was written, and to some still is. So what evidence do you have that makes a valid arguement for your statement that he

[@Yesica1993]

@@morlu8281 I keep hearing that, but I don't know the facts on the matter. (I've heard of him, but haven't read his works.)

[@Joefest99]

This man’s lectures are absolute GOLD!!!

[@dissolutevoid]

Insane what little of history we know

[@timwhiting6721]

I know James Madison had more than we know to do with help drafting the constitution as well as alot of other less known Patriots.

[@bumbusbumboy5127]

"He has been described as a Christian nationalist;[1][2] his work is devoted to advancing the idea that the United States was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and rejecting the consensus view that the United States Constitution calls for separation of church and state.[3][4][5][6] Scholars of history and law have described his research as highly flawed, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[7][8][9][10][11]" Wikipedia

[@JohnDoe-td7mu]

@@bumbusbumboy5127 what specifically about what he said is incorrect???? And don't hide behind bs Wikipedia articles. Give me specific examples.

[@AdmiralRamirez7]

Because history books don't show it

[@drewcilley121]

@os terminal People don't follow a book we follow the Creator of the heavens and earth.

[@doreybain]

This is the best Sunday Special you've done. David Barton is an eye-opening historian. Academia is so corrupted today. Barton is so refreshing.

[@kathleenking47]

They're closing some liberal colleges now..they need to

[@ErdricksArmor]

I remember seeing David on the Glenn Beck show years ago. I didn't bother to keep up with him afterwards. I sincerely regret that now. The man's a national treasure.

[@caraanderson4177]

Hadn't heard Dave Barton since my highschool days (homeschooled--obvs). SO good! Perfect timing for July 4th. Thanks, Ben, for being an excellent host!

[@bballplaya8804]

Absolutely phenomenal interview. This should be showed in every school in America twice.

[@user-rd4gz1nc4e]

David Barton is truly a modern American hero based on his passion for the "truth"!

[@heidicook2739]

One of my favorite Sunday Special’s ever. The hour just flew by and I learned so much!

[@Destroyer97sup]

Heidi Cook I totally agree, it should’ve been a two hour special

[@JamesRichardWiley]

David spins the world to appear Christian as we wait patiently for Jesus to fulfill his two thousand year old promise to return in 40 years.

[@ryevick]

The United States Supreme Court should have to listen to a lecture from this man.

[@crystalparker2542]

I said the same while watching this. They seem to not know enough, or truly they dont care to know. They should have to take classes from this guy

[@OpaKnows]

Could listen to David for hours. The truth is so refreshing and liberating.

[@richwinestudios]

One of the best American historian's out there! Great pick, Mr. Shapiro!

[@lilm57]

Steven Crowder just had him on the channel, four full videos so far. Very good. Time to brag, I’ve met David, and listened to him live, and he’s so cool..

[@kadidin8319]

Ben kindly have Ravi Zacharias on your esteemed Sunday special.. we are anxiously waiting

[@walterdebnam8021]

Yes Ben please have Ravi on your program. I'm always impressed at your openness to the truth. You are In my prayers Ben, truly and actually, honest, really 👍

[@ytav_boy2820]

Yes! Bring Ravi!!!👏👏👏

[@eddieloius4592]

Can you get Dr Ravi? rzim.org

[@tashelan]

Great idea! I second that! Ravi is one of a kind.

[@joelpierce1453]

That would be awesome!

[@burnsport1]

Love Barton. He gives us some very important and much neglected history.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

With a nice Christian spin.

[@jilldavis2608]

Praise God for David Barton....thank you, Ben...and Steven Crowder is going to interview Barton, too. The truth cannot be hid if you have men like Barton...a national treasure!!!!

[@LawnmowinJunkie]

This is amazing. I first heard of David back in the early 90's. He never ceases to amaze me. We have had our heritage stolen from us. We need to become educated so that we can remain free and have liberty.

[@angieturner999]

Best interview! We so much need to have this information in public schools, again and out to the general public!

[@bboy32167]

Im pro secularism and an athiest but thats no reason to have revisionist history this guy is right

[@logostruth1868]

So, where do you get your rights from?

[@logostruth1868]

@HardikG121 "This guy is a revisionist historian." What do you mean by that?

[@logostruth1868]

@HardikG121 "The Jefferson Lies" is cited as one of the most least credible history books." Which one is it? Most or least credible? Am I to take advise from someone who's grammar is poor? And what are these "cited" sources?

[@christistruthtruthinreason5386]

@HardikG121 Actually you're incorrect. the revisionist movement started in early 20th century by secularist historians that didn't believe God relevant for the history they wanted to convey. So, technically Barton, and others, are trying to restore history. Secular historians, censor, distort, omit to wipe out all indications of "God" from history. it's already been proven. it's just a matter of untangling the mess. This is just part of the "Progressive" movement that has plagued us for more than a century. A little advice, when you read any quote from history and see the ellipsis (….). Always find the source and read the full text. whatever your belief, never accept an edited quote at face value. Research it and understand its context. Today, scholars cite other scholars that cited other scholars. Academic collectivism is their practice and truth is irrelevant; secular ideology is the goal by wiping out God from our history. Secularist philosophy believes in the constant change in language, which is why today "deist" is more atheistic than the "deist" during the founding era. Bottom line is where edits, distortions, or omittance is discovered, all of us should want to know the truth to properly understand history for the benefit of all of us. The fight isn't between us (we the people), but against the elite that is changing history to cause chaos and confusion..

[@ryanjacob8568]

HardikG121 you mean like the secularists made up the fact that “In God We Trust” wasn’t on our money until 1956? Biggest lie I ever discovered when I started collecting coins from the 1800’s.

[@r.blakehole932]

I taught a class in my church using some Wall Builder's materials and other source materials. After one class a lady came up to me in tears and said, "They have stolen it! Our history, they have stolen it."

[@jamesjarvie8898]

This guy is a joy to listen to. Ben does a great job by just letting him speak. The more the western world moves away from the source of our moral values the more depravity we’ll see. Instead of asking where is God? they’d be better asking why has God not destroyed this wicked world.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The source of your moral values is a tribal Hebrew god named Yahweh, a mass murderer of the unborn with the flood, a promoter of rape, genocide and slavery and a masochist through his Crucifixion. All immoral.

[@huntervolcan9218]

Think this has been my favorite Sunday Special.

[@JohnDoe-he7pt]

Amazing! Our Judeo-Christian heritage. We are blessed as a nation because of those who went before us, our founding fathers. How sad people don't know their history.

[@Born2BDown1981]

I know this isn’’t exactly adding much to the conversation but Barton’s voice is really calming.

[@bnatify]

oh my god your gay!!

[@roncur]

It is

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

@@bnatify you're

[@angelegend]

David came and spoke at my church in Rochelle IL when I was about 12 years old. I'll never forget that service. It's amazing to think that what we don't know could change the world for the better in so many ways.

[@mtoldroyd]

I hated history in grade school (public schools). I wish I'd had teachers like David Barton! The way he tells the stories, making them so compelling and intriguing, I'd have gotten so much more out of it! This makes me thirsty for more, instead of just getting sick of all the tedium (memorizing and regurgitating dates & names). He gives those historical figures great depth and personality, making them come alive!

[@littleboots9800]

I love listening to people who are experts in their subject. This guy's passion is infectious. Fascinating.

[@sandrasnow3569]

I wish history class were taught with original sources more often. We could do so much better then we are doing.

[@Kunfucious577]

What theyre teaching now is treasonous. All parents should look into what our schools are teach their kids.

[@maryk.pulido815]

Thank God for David Barton!

[@goodmusic3576]

Thank you for this amazing broadcast! This brilliant man should speak in the Congressional and Senate meetings. He can teach them the truth. They all need to hear this.

[@rickknight5872]

So enlightening to know that I can teach myself and my children the truth about America. Thanks Dave.

[@postalinVT]

OMG....Sop glad to see David Barton on your show Ben. Two of my favorite people in the same room at the same time. I LOVE listening to people who KNOW what they're talking about.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Ask David when Jesus is coming back in glory. An honest, sincere, intelligent question.

[@postalinVT]

@@JamesRichardWiley I'm not sure this IS an honest question but, as far as I know David's area of expertice is history, not religion. He is however VERY religious and puts historical facts in light of Christian ethics. David, nor anyone else, knows when Jesus is coming back. Jesus Himself said only the Father knows, but he laid out signs you could look for. PS, the signs are all around us NOW.

[@emmaleebuzzard1023]

Born and raised in Indiana and had no clue why we were called the Hoosier State!! Love that!!

[@anotherconservativecomment8100]

Very appropriate guest to have on a sunday.

[@botoxbeanie2927]

And right before Independence Day.

[@manholeeunuchsbane6197]

WallBuilders? Lulz. Garbage.

[@jeanpaulmcdaniel365]

Why Sunday? That's a pagan name. 🤣

[@da8765]

@@morlu8281 fascist? So the party of big government socialism open borders and gun confiscation are true freedom fighters . Yeah ok

[@da8765]

@@morlu8281 you need help

[@jxslayz6663]

I'm glad there is men like Ben and Barton standing up for righteousness, fighting the good fight in their own way. It inspires me, I hope it inspires y'all as well.

[@innertube205]

I am a high school Social Studies teacher. I was switched from World History to early US History for this coming year. I want to incorporate this in my lessons this coming semester without getting myself into hot water.

[@kensantoro7755]

You have some of the VERY BEST guests and you do an excellent job interviewing each one! The episodes I catch have all been AWESOME! Thanks Ben!

[@k.t.3906]

This is one of the best shows of any shows on any network/youtube, etc. Thank you so much for sharing all of this information. I took notes! I'm going to look up more! I appreciate you both for the work you do to tell the truth to the world! God Bless You and prayers for your continued ministries. (Because telling the truth is truly a ministry!) Thank you, again!

[@mostlypeacefulrowan8747]

Barton pulls 200 year old documents like a boss!

[@paularector5389]

David Barton is a phenomenal historian

[@kapaudio]

David Barton is brilliant.

[@w_stew8912]

Bring on Marianne Williamson for the Sunday Special. The world deserves an uninterrupted hour of her looniness.

[@mostlypeacefulrowan8747]

I like Maryanne. She is in sync with Alex Jones. She asked why are we arguing about who will pay for healthcare when we should be concerned about the environment making us sick. Alex Jones doesn't like em turning the frogs gay. She needs to go on infowars!

[@megalopolis2015]

I live in NM. I get this all the time. Yay me. :0/

[@thembamaselane5885]

Oyea😂😂would love to watch that train rack

[@XxTavoRxX]

I am canadian but find this american history very interesting, I am amazed at how much we are taught about the US in Canada that isnt actually accurate

[@smithdesignwerx]

God bless you Mr Shapiro & Mr Barton .

[@dukeofdenver]

This is a great guest

[@92alphagal]

Dave Barton is awesome!!

[@SuperLulu212]

Fascinating history re specific Judeo Christian applications in the formation of government and in the birth of a nation by the influence of various walks of life. I’m glad he has an organization to educate people on faith and history and hopefully we can start a revival to heal this country.❤️🙏🇺🇸

[@talmagerichardson5575]

Listening to the Sunday Specials makes me want to learn as much as I can about everything-- especially this one!

[@JohnDoe-nf5rt]

This just makes me appreciate my time at Liberty U. even more. Everything he talked about was standard curriculum.

[@stevipedia]

It would be great if Ben would get Dinesh D'Souza on the show to talk about the history of the two major political parties and how their two stories are still relevant to 2020.

[@dwightadams3853]

This is an excellent interview. I noted the references he shared and I will read them. Thank You Ben.

[@amyjohnson5839]

Go to his website Wallbuilders.com. so much information, documentation and references....it will blow your mind

[@ZeusAndKiller]

This is hands down my favorite Sunday special! I love this guy!!

[@rachaelchavez8766]

This guy is the most interesting historian I have ever heard. Love it.

[@madeinusa5395]

Wow - I'm shocked that this is so enlightening. How is this not being taught in our schools?

[@Tallslimchris]

I’m so happy you don’t give up Ben, each day I’m blown away by how insane the dems are acting, first by calling you a nazi, that has to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever herd, calling a JEW (no disrespect intended on the terminology) a nazi, that is a complete oxymoron. And then saying don Jr tweeted but then deleted some comment about that Kamala Harris lady, and majorly overreacting to their own made up news. I love watching your videos, I have learned more in the last 2 years listening to you, crowder, and tucker. Than I did in the 30+ years prior. Keep up the awesome work Mr Shapiro.

[@walterdebnam8021]

Thank you Ben for your interviews and respectful listening and honest questions. And yes would love to see Ravi Zachariahis on your program.

[@annbrucepineda8093]

Walter Debnam Too late.

[@zagorith14]

Can't get enough of Mr. Barton's lectures. He's very informative and educational.

[@allendunson2826]

I'm so glad to see this. I've recently been watching his series "The American Heritage series" on Amazon.

[@markw265]

Didn't even know this existed. Thank you.

[@amyjohnson5839]

@@markw265 look on KZbin. There are so many videos as well. Look on his website Wallbuilders.com. so much info, links to historical references.

[@allendunson2826]

@@markw265 Yes I just recently discovered it. Amazon Prime has a lot of neat history bios

[@Sbw1976]

I love Dave Rubin and I would love to see him speak to this man.

[@annbrucepineda8093]

Sara Williams Also Dr. Jordan Peterson.

[@chango6996]

This guy is interesting, i always used to sleep in history. If i was tought this my iq would be at least in the 200+

[@Washius]

Ive always loved History Class. If i had the money to go to college, I'd love to become a History Teacher or Historian

[@Trollificusv2]

Invite Andy Ngo, when he recovers.

[@jewelmirtzmyers8489]

I loved this interview. I love his passion for history and religion. Departments of Education in the states need to watch this and make changes based on the facts and information that is being left out of the history being taught in schools.

[@xxkphxx]

“We know so little about it (American history) and we characterize so much, and the characterization is not accurate.” So much truth in that statement.

[@lalaLAX219]

Absolutely fascinating interview-I'm inspired to go learn more! Fantastic

[@123dantheman78]

This was a Good interview, plz bring him back on sometime soon.

[@mmatt2613]

Brilliant episode. A necessary watch in the current political climate.

[@troyp5208]

He guest spoke at Gateway Church in TX today. Great info! We need to hear this stuff. I'm buying a copy of the Founders Bible! Thank you!

[@wesr9530]

We found 1 person that breathes less than Shapiro

[@ares0wept]

By far my favorite guest.

[@calebreardon8707]

All senior year we watched the “American Heritage Series” and it was so cool to learn about our true heritage!

[@rebekahchtristensen7953]

Loved this episode!Great job Ben(whose wife is a doctor)!😉

[@jacksunnerville228]

I had never heard about Mr. Barton until I watched Steven Crowder interview him. I enjoyed it so much and was thrilled to see that Shapiro was also interviewing him.

[@markw265]

I love this guy.

[@brendaprichard4647]

I love this episode. I found out a lot I never knew . I remember the Bible reading in class as a child during my early years in school. My great grandson attends the same school and you can tell a lot of difference in the school now.

[@megalopolis2015]

This is one of the most fascinating interviews I have ever seen. I have learned so much, and was enthralled the whole time. When I get into a debate about church and state and the founding fathers, I want to pull this guy's deep historical knowledge out of my pocket.

[@wm.tomlinson1434]

Great guest, great interview Ben!

[@jayferguson9968]

Thank you, and God bless you for this.

[@lydiatimmons5637]

I come back to this when I’m feeling particularly patriotic…. Happy 4th of July! 🇺🇸

[@adverseinperpetuity]

Same!

[@chancellorofchinense]

This interview was riveting. Thank you, Ben, for doing this!

[@relentless4christking636]

Ben!!!! God bless you for having this amazing man on you show!!! David Barton is a National TREASURE and you are too! We appreciate you Ben! Loved your rap. FACTS!

[@tiqvahone]

This was Sunday School at its finest. Well done.

[@macsdad7]

David Barton is amazing. Thanks Ben. He is in my top 3 of your guests. And you've had awesome guests. I'll be seeking more info on Wall Builders and Mr. Barton

[@dianagoodrich7169]

I heard someone commenting on how sterilized and dull history taught in the US public schools is. Textbooks that do not remark on the remarkable have for decades been used, instantiating "politically correct" before its current meaning. Dehumanizing people and their places in history has made it "safe" to teach history for a long time. And thereby missed the opportunities to tell the stories in history which help people understand and relate to it better.

[@boydmerriman]

"We are the exception and not the rule" but because of our constitution, we rule because we did exceptional.

[@noahdixon885]

I don't know about exceptional

[@noahdixon885]

We have still have a lot of problems that we need to fix, just like pretty much every country in the world.

[@noahdixon885]

@Jeannie Seibert definitely not the most prosperous. We have soooo many people who dont even have homes in the US and there are other countries who have less poverty than the US today, and in other parts of history. For example, ancient Nubia, they had as much prosperity as ancient egypt did, but they took care of their people more. Another example, rome, they also had way more prosperity. We have mighr have been a nation longer than them, but we definitely arent more prosperous that they are. If your going to make a bold claim like that you need to atleast know every single civilization that ever existed. You cant even name at least african civilizations....

[@pavlovsworld9122]

I have to read more Jefferson. Thank you for opening my eyes.

[@YeshuaHamashiak]

Excellent work Mr. Shapiro

[@windsongshf]

As relatively non religious people, every Sunday morning we put Ben's Sunday Special on and call it "going to Church" ha ha!

[@kendreamer6376]

Basically he is saying we were pretty much lied to by academia about the history life opinions and beliefs of the founders of USA for the goal of making USA secular as it stands today?

[@sydneycarton3000]

Please please can you interview Victor Davis Hanson

[@WalkerChristopher11]

YES he is awesome