David Drew: UFOs, Aliens, and all that . . . | Thunderbolts

[@00110000]

Nice to hear TP's take on the discourse. A healthy blend of being open minded and grounded. Personally, I'm excited by all this. If nothing else, it gets people interested in space science and creates fun discussions 👍

[@skiracer]

David Drew and Dufus, You doggz know how to make really interesting documentaries for us all to enjoy. Thank you!

[@lmwlmw4468]

There is a difference between believing and knowing that they are here, and I know...!!! Great video.

[@DataJYdocs]

👌

[@ngc22072001]

Nasa is searching? They are not sure, lol..

[@Hovercraftltd]

An excellent over view of this arena.... I do like the idea of low density interiors as per Wal Thornhill's proposal that gravity has polarity so that all globes are effectively massive shells providing protected interiors for life to be absolutely everywhere there is a globe of any sort. So vast is the habitat of the rocky sub surface of earth that the microbes that thrive their oblivious to the Sun outweigh all surface and ocean life and they show where interior life can develope from and at leisure. So it is surface dwellers that are the extremeophiles perhaps adapted to breed fast to survive the damaging environment, maybe so fast contact with long lived interior life is impractical but fascinating for them to observe. Likely an interior civilisation explores outside with 'droids' adapted to match the environment they are to explore sending back data and sensations in realtime and these self repairing or even breeding 'droids' are likely the aliens we might encounter? Certainly they would effect where they explore and being perfectly created for the environment they explore may accidentaly or otherwise become part of the evolutionary process..... If the civilisation that operated them ceased they would be independent life forms perhaps retaining an idea they were part of something bigger.

[@pesticle98661]

You are a magnificent speculator. Powerful stuff.

[@headsails]

9:34 The new understanding of a common denominator between all things is consciousness and levels of it. Plasma is then seen as a spectrum of conscious manifestations and even also able to be manipulated technologically. I’m a #1 fan of Thunderbolts Project but also of Elena Danaan’s camp of understanding. So, I look to bridge these two very sympathetic realms and enhance discernment. Thanks Mr. Drew for your excellent presentation on bridging these two very similar and complimentary realms. I’ve been waiting for this and here it is. ❤️

[@playfulplanets1697]

Yes, we can't ignore the metaphysical implications.

[@missfriscowin3606]

Use your fingers in your mouth to whistle a really high pitched whistle at the northern lights and you can make them dance and move. We used to do this as kids all the time.

[@reefsroost696]

For years I've "heard" from the people who live underneath the lights that they sing. I have believed them. I believe you.

[@dcorgard]

I'm glad someone covered the Hessdalen lights! They're quite an intriguing physical phenomenon. I tend to lean strongly toward the "battery" hypothesis, based on the underlying geographic make-up and the shape of the terrain.

[@playfulplanets1697]

This also relates to Telluric currents and the Earth's electromagnetic relationship with the wider cosmos.

[@psychotrixAVMC]

I wonder when will they make a video connecting the electrical atmosphere with Feng Shui principles. I am beginning to understand why Feng Shui is not very friendly to pointy edges aimed at people or animals or plants. It seems pointy edges are a focal location of electricity surges, which, to my understanding, can cause disharmony/imbalances in the lifeforms to which they point at (for prolonged times - like to someone sitting in a desk for hours or during sleep).

[@playfulplanets1697]

That's a metaphysical step further, as with the aether of classical physics.

[@pedroferrr1412]

When i was 16 years old, i was sleeping (trying) with 2 more friends in a beach (very big beach in south of Portugal), the beach is so big that the stretch of sand, from the sea to where we were, a depression in the dunes, should be 250 to 300 meters away, but if we were at the beginning (where the beach begins) it would possibly be around 450 meters. The beach is called Pedras-del-Rei. I'm currently 55, so it was many years ago, the beach was slightly different, with a lot more sand. So, it must have been around 3:30 AM, we had just taken a shower (very hot weather) and by coincidence, we watched a trawler throw bales to the shore, which, in the meantime, some guys on foot were picking up near the edge of the beach. , as the currents and waves transported them to the sand. At that point we were already protected from the eyes on "our" dune, which in my opinion was lucky, because if we had been seen, we certainly wouldn't be here, in the worst case. It's relatively quick until the guys disappear from sight, leaving the beach. The beach at the time was full of plants that must have been my height (1.82m). The sky was slightly cloudy, lying parallel to the sea, we noticed that perhaps 500 meters in front of us, above some plants, was a shape, which at the time, I stupidly thought was a pterodactyl, given the shape and because the "wings" didn't move, but I removed that idea from my mind, because the animal, object, didn't move, it just limited itself to floating over the plants, I caught the attention of my friends, and we were perplexed to look and speculate what that would be it. At that moment, the object began to move gently towards us, our reaction was to cover ourselves with the blankets we had brought. We felt the object passing by us, perhaps 2 to 5 meters high, but we didn't see it, we just felt the movement of air. After a few seconds, we gathered courage and started looking for the object. It was then that we saw it clearly, passing in the opposite direction, but this time over the sea, close to the edge, at a relatively slow speed, we could observe its shape, without lights, matte gray, it was shaped like a diamond( well, not real a diamond, more like to pyramid´s joined, but quite thin), it was moving If there was no sound, it must have been between 8 and 15 meters long, and we watched until it left our field of vision. Note: i made a mistake, it was between 8 and 15 meters long...not away.

[@psychotrixAVMC]

Não sabia que a zona de Tavira já tinha presenciado tais fenómenos. Tal como na Serra da Gardunha, presumo que o pessoal da zona não queira falar desses assuntos e ignora/desvia o tema ? (Na Gardunha, conheço algumas pessoas que simplesmente se recusam a falar do assunto -- não actuam como cépticos mentecaptos ou curiosos em busca de entendimento, simplesmente fogem do tema como o diabo da cruz). Existe terreno montanhoso nas proximidades, e dado que terreno pontiagudo tem tendência a atrair focos de electricidade atmosférica/terrena, pergunto-me o quanto esses aparelhos utilizam esses mesmos focos para navegação/propulsão. Bem haja pelo testemunho!

[@pedroferrr1412]

@@psychotrixAVMC There is a more, but i think is better to just let it be, manly because it was a long time ago, and some things that i did not told, could be just my imagination. But i can still say this: He where 3 friends, same age, born in the same month. One of us is dead, cancer, and the second one, got cancer, but is still here(me). The last one, i really don´t know, but i told him, some time ago, to check for that.

[@Herb.]

Amazing witness story! Thank you for sharing.

[@galaxysurfer1122]

Never seen such a comprehensive explanation of most things concerning Ufo's, the EU and current science theories in such a short video. Well done!

[@billj776]

Thanks for an elegant - and entertaining - summation of the scientific "loose ends" out there. The segment on Peratt's encounter with the petroglyphs is especially compelling!

[@johnnicholas1488]

Thanks.

[@wendyboast2280]

Excellent summary, thank you

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

Anyone remember the the December 2009 Norwegian spiral anomaly? Researching this back then is what led me to the Thunderbolts channel looking for an explanation.

[@daviddrew7852]

Yes, I remember it well. I have witnessed a lot of anomalous EM activity in Norway.

[@tuttifongul2006]

it was a russian missile test that went wrong. the missile lost guidance, spiraled and being at night we saw it from under the plume causing the vortex effect. been a few since then as well. thoroughly debunked a while ago

[@daviddrew7852]

@@tuttifongul2006 That one, yes.

[@thatsnotoneofmeatsmanyuses1970]

If you can look at the actions of our leaders and see influence from an advanced benevolent intelligence, you're a better man than I.

[@daviddrew7852]

Well, politics is a cesspit, to be sure.

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

This video doesn't make that claim, as far as I recall, although Greer leans that way. It focuses on the role of plasmas relating to the UAP phenomenon.

[@mari-atonjalkanen9920]

(If I remember correctly) the russians were able to produce "UFO-phenomena" decades ago by mixing gas and plasma. They contacted some other countries and asked if they were interested in their show...the article about this was originally in NEXUS-magazine and I read swedish version of the article. I still have it somewhere.

[@playfulplanets1697]

The Russians published Afvén's work long before it was accepted in the West.

[@quinto190]

"The laws of physics need to be rewritten" (Tom Valone) - probably true, but as quantum physicist Hans-Peter Duerr has pointed out, nature forms habits, not laws. Laws get issued by a king and are a concept from human society, not science. Rupert Sheldrake has highlighted this as well in "The Science Delusion".

[@daviddrew7852]

Yes, see Misconceptions, part 1.

[@quinto190]

@@daviddrew7852 Found it👍.

[@quinto190]

Oh, btw, I wouldn't be surprised, if Hans-Peter Duerr was one of the people that invited Halton Arp to Munich. The Max-Planck institute for Quantum Optics is just 200 m apart from the one for Astrophysics, where Halton Arp worked. They were neighbors!

[@QueenSlanderQ]

Groovy. Thanks

[@mauimixer6040]

Thanks so much for the education and sharing your views on the Possibilities ! Mahalos from Maui 🤙

[@zachariahcasterline4564]

Such an excellent and exciting video David. I see symbolisms all the time. It brings me peace that we survived many times before.

[@playfulplanets1697]

Nature communicates via symbols, as the ancient Egyptians would tell you.

[@zachariahcasterline4564]

@@playfulplanets1697 you mean all over the world! Haha not just Egypt.

[@playfulplanets1697]

@@zachariahcasterline4564 Yes, many others, too. Eastern languages are pictorial, which makes more intuitive sense.

[@nickprohoroff3720]

Well done, well said. And as we discovered the majesty of the Electric Universe in what seems but little time, so we Graduate to the next Tutorial.

[@ravenkeefer3143]

I've liked Thunderbolts Projects vids before watching since I discovered your presentations. Says much. I don't always 100% agree. I do appreciate the candid, researched, and well thought presentations. Mahe Ohna ✌️ Favour ALL

[@JayDreamerZ]

I'm honored you guys used one of my thumbnails in this. Long live the thunderbolts ⚡️

[@Dontquoteme933]

"Have an open mind but not so open your brain falls out"

[@MGmirkin]

Fuuuck, now we're courting the UFO crowd?? Ugh... Unfortunately, it seems like brains are "falling out" more and more these days, in the knowledge/expertise vacuum created by the loss of Dwardu & Wal, Don's & CJ's relative semi-retirement, Dave Talbott's ongoing health issues, etc. And focus on the actual science, mythology, & history is being lost or diverted down unrelated relatively nonsensical garden paths. Seems like Ev Cochrane is about the only still doing fundamental comparative mythology research anymore... Quite unfortunate.

[@daviddrew7852]

Or that the bugs get in.

[@postsurrealfish]

really? me thinx its good to think outside the box ¦:¬)

[@daviddrew7852]

@@postsurrealfish Yes, it's definitely good to think outside the box, but caution is always required.

[@postsurrealfish]

@@daviddrew7852 That's the thing, I am naturally adventurous and an expansion of consciousness is where life naturally leads me. Sorry but (and without any help from anyone close, or have any encouragement) I certainly wouldn't have been able to produce what I have, by being cautious.

[@dantheman9135]

ThankQ

[@majestic1222]

Way Cool 👽

[@JanicePhillips]

It was the lights on the moon and my interest in human history that sent me on this journey. I found the EU in 2017. While I've not stopped searching, at least now I know what I'm searching for! Excellent, Sir Drew. Very, very excellent.

[@0U8123MTA3]

4:55 Agreed. The propulsion technology is very significant. 20:43 The back-engineering of the system in the patent has been described. 12:02 The "erosion" and landscapes on Mars, the Moon and Earth which could not have been done by wind or water leaves only some kind of enormous electrical erosive force. The 90 degree angle of impacts is a very interesting fact pattern. The "expanding Earth" data is supported by modern research and ancient texts. The electrical nature of many "natural" landscape features would explain the tool marks on unfinished megalithic sites like the unfinished obelisk in Aswan. If this amount of power is applied similar to how Electrical Discharge Machining is used in modern industry, it is easy to see how large scale sites like the Giza pyramids were built with incredible precision (1:13). There is even a reference to megalithic work in the First Book of Adam and Eve. This channel references ancient texts and "mythologies". I have to agree. The ancient texts and "lore" do describe UFO pilots and their electrical capabilities. "Let there be light", etc. 15:59 It is my understanding that tribal cultures used costumed dances and art to inform and educate their people about UFO pilots. 17:05 Count me among the ancient "alien" theorists although my conclusions are based on Judeo-Christian writings and supporting texts from other cultures.

[@VisionofLov]

Great subject. Needs more exposure no doubt. 😊

[@robertbeniston]

"If we are alone in the universe its an awful waste of space" This depends on the reality that you believe that you live in. If you are atheistic and that this universe is all there is, then yes, but if you are theistic and believe God created the universe then the universe has a population. That population would be spirit and spirit would be the dominant sentient life force. Belief is one thing evidence that you are correct is another.

[@DissonantDragon23]

A true thunderbolt of a video!

[@akosv96]

Amazing video. Such a breath of fresh air to hear a proper compilation of all the urban and official knowledge/theories.

[@BobWidlefish]

10:25 lookup Bob Greenyer for more information on plasmoids, and Takaaki Matusomoto as well for their research of natural sources of some “UFO” phenomena as Hessdalen.

[@tonigillette9217]

When did US hospitals stop referring to IV fluids as "plasma"?

[@catdude5567]

Because when plasmas were being studied, the plasmas exhibited life like, self awareness, thus being alive. I don't recall the researcher's name, who labeled them plasma, but that is the generalization. They were named after the IV plasma.

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

I didn't know they did. The term plasma was coined (relating to blood) because of its life-like and self-organizing properties, of course.

[@csmooney]

When I first heard the quote from former Lockheed Skunkworks CEO Ben Rich, it was "Today we have the ability for ET to phone home. In 30 years, we will have the ability to take ET home." ..... It was also reported that he made this statement to a group in San Diego after recently finding out that he had Stage 4 cancer and that he had not disclosed that circumstance.

[@Thromaz]

I see you got this out on the 15th 😉

[@daviddrew7852]

15/07/2024 yes. Please elaborate. (6-7-8?)

[@mnemonyss]

Phenomenal work, love this episode.

[@daviddrew7852]

Thank you

[@postsurrealfish]

I have been intrenched in the Electric Universe theory community (albeit having a needed distance from time to time, for intergalactic political reasons) for about a decade and after being shown the scientific thinking behind the theory around the time (consciousness) of Sacred Tree, with the end of the world as we have known it then starting. I have though, actually been connected to the brethren a lot, lot longer, so I have been waiting for an appropriate serious video to cover the subject of UFOs, from the Thunderbolts Project. So well done chaps. With the EUt, my normal thing is apart from other things is the weather and having written 'Electric Weather Mechanics' in 2014. As for the UFOs, I move in the discussion groups (mainly on X and fb) with the politics of it all now getting very interesting, a decade or so after the 'Tipping Point' conference in '13 and then especially, since Dec last year. As I started speaking for the collective about the earthling agenda, the underhand methods they use and of course the science of it all. And so also pointing out in no uncertain terms about how it is not possible to get around the universe with warped guesswork maths. And so, Einstein's fantasy being wrong and with the reality of it then getting past lame-stream-science and directly to the movers and shakers in UFOland. With the pseudo religion of scientism, not expecting the immense voltage pressure from an alien voice coming through a flying saucers side hatch, so to speak. Over the years and when dealing with the more hidden and esoteric worlds, one has to see through the deliberate muddying of the waters of reality, to what is actually being relived. As in the esoteric world, you have to say what is going on and bring it out into reality, in order to later manifest what is desired into reality. So also and as a soul centred astrologer since the early nineties, I totally understand the esoteric messages put out and the way the governing thought processes work on earth and so, just like the first episode of the 'Lone Gunman', I have always been totally open in my creative output. With me letting them know how their demise would come about. But also, how to avoid toast and having one's mind blown, when contact happens. Have a nice day y'all ¦:¬)

[@CraftySasquatch]

Shocked that YT AI allowed this post to stay up.

[@postsurrealfish]

@@CraftySasquatch Things are changing at the speed of a Thunderbolt and AI knows this. There's lots going on behind the scenes and especially in the worlds of psionics and intergalactic politics and which now, more and more people are becoming aware of and so and as is often said in these times (states of consciousness), Buckle Up ¦:¬)

[@carlubambi5541]

Awesome one .❤

[@loweedwards7807]

They (E.Ts) can get here from there, just surf the electric currents between stars like a electromagnetic highway or like a maglev train. No need for vast amounts of energy using that method since always get energy from the electric currents themselves. Never get lost also since the stars are all interconnected. Total opposite of the gravity centric, mass verus energy dependant Einsteinian view.

[@KCTV]

I sure would like to ride these electrical currents soon. 😎

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

@@KCTV Easily seen through radio telescopes, whether in dark, glow, or arc mode. Birkeland currents.

[@ngc22072001]

What you are suggesting is impossible according to Einstein, Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, Your ship would have to lose all its weight, We have to achieve antigravity first, and search for other shortcuts because even the speed of light is too slow.. Its more like the truth about stars , and how you can enter wormholes through them ,even here on earth. Everything is connected, at its "core", because everything is space, and its through these realms space travel is possible..

[@loweedwards7807]

@@ngc22072001 Talking about bypassing artificial Einsteinian limits so FTL is always possible . Mass always have positive and negative charges (after all electron shell is negatively charged and nothing actually touches each other since even proton by itself is 99.9% empty space but what's physically interacting is mostly electric charge), so nothing would stop mass being manipulated by either electric fields or magnetic forces. If mass can be contained within its own field then by moving that field along with mass can theoretically move at any speed. Sound similar? Quite like warp drive or Alcubierre drive. If gravity is at light speed, everything in the universe will fall apart. So gravity effect has to be also faster than speed of light. It takes 8 minutes for light to reach Earth, and if gravity takes that long to affect Earth then Earth would have flew out of the solar system long ago. Remember Earth is not static but always constantly moving in an orbit. so if it takes 8 minutes to affect Earth when Earth has moved to a new position, then gravity no longer can keep Earth in an orbit. Look at Earth's orbital speed itself. 67,000 mph is extremely fast and in 8 minutes about 8933 miles would have travelled. That's greater than Earth's diameter of 7926 miles. Yeah Earth would have moved more than 1x Earth distance within that 8 minute time!

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

@@ngc22072001 Yes, but maybe GR/SR are wrong, as per this vid... Did you watch it all?

[@-nekomu-]

17:30　It looks like a vajra(金剛杵) from esoteric Buddhism.

[@quinto190]

It does. I think, Anthony Perratt noticed this as well.

[@quinto190]

Interesting excursion and overview. I agree to what you said about Steven Greer, but hadn't noticed the "Citizen Hearing on Disclosure" yet, thank you! Guys, check out Jesse Michels' recent video "The Scientist Who Built UFOs For The CIA", it's brilliant, also very interesting from the physics side. For instance, he points out that Maxwell originally had 20 equations to describe electromagnetism, but Oliver Heaviside simplified those to only four. This simplification is what we still use today, but with that Heaviside also got rid of the possibility of 2-3 other wave forms including scalar waves. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea...

[@loweedwards7807]

Just to note, not all "UAPs" can explained away as plasma fireballs. Look at the Grangemouth UFO incident. The witness said it look like a reddish (plasma) ball of light, and managed to take a photo right underneath it. In the photo when zoomed in, can see it has a solid defined (saucer) shape with glowing plasma surrounding the craft. This is the age of photographic film, seems this is the era where clearest UFO pictures were taken. In the new age of cameras with CMOS sensors, it has become less clearer. Likely because CMOS sensors are also sensitive to IR radiation, which these objects also likely emit.

[@kfast9260]

High-energy-density plasmas can take on a variety of shapes and forms, including apparently solid and metallic. Equally, ET would probably use EM tech for rapidity and 'anti-gravitic' effects. A lot of advanced plasma research is now classified, however.

[@loweedwards7807]

​@@kfast9260 In fact, can clearly see has structures. Some UFOlogists refer this one as the electric UFO or evidence of "electro-gravitic" technology. Hypothethically super intense electric fields around the skin of the craft could ionize the surrounding air into plasma and make them glow. I think such fields if strong enough then could repel the craft against the Earth's own surface electric charge. Didn't late Wall Thornhill talk about this in his gravity talk, how just a single postitive charge can repel gravity? Just wondering..

[@kfast9260]

@@loweedwards7807 Well, what is gravity? Maybe it is an EM phenomenon, ultimately, as Wal suggested.

[@YouriCarma]

I would recommend Paul A. LaViolette's book 'Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion - Tesla, UFOs, and Classified Aerospace Technology' to get some ideas on how some of this antigravity technology might work.

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

Great stuff! The EU can bring so many different strands together.

[@ahabwolf7580]

I can't really get on board with E.T.'s being extrasolar. There's just too many variables that need to line up perfectly. They have to exist, be technologically advanced, have ships capable of sustaining life for hundreds of years, have survived the extremely perilous vastness of space and all that entails, have somehow stumbled across our solar system during their travels, or been close enough by to detect us somehow, been brave enough to approach, done so for decades at this point, and somehow maintained a modicum of secrecy in the process. I have heard theories of E.T.'s being responsible for seeding this planet in the first place, which seems far more plausible given enough of the above requirements were met. Either way I think it's far more likely that IF (big if) E.T.'s do exist, they are either living on a planet within our solar system, or are not E.T.'s, rather just a rare species of sentient beings who've existed on Earth mostly undetected. Any hollow Earth enthusiasts out there?

[@loweedwards7807]

On the contrary, I believe thousands of E.T civilizations have visited Earth from the past to present. That would account for huge variety from saucers, cigar, egg to tic tac shapes (even plasma-like crafts). E.Ts can get here from there by just surfing the electric currents connecting stars like electromgnetic highways or like maglev trains, and since stars are all interconnected then no way of getting lost. If their technology are thousands or millions of years ahead then space travel is trivial to them. No need for hundreds or thousads of years as well. To them, we still look like primitive race still engaged in tribal warfare looking from our past to now current events (like the wars going on now). And one of the most stupid arguments astronomers use is the "radio silence". What if these E.T civilizations stopped using radio long ago? Radio is too slow for interstellar communications anyway. Also the cosmos is just full of radio noise from natural sources, would simply drown out any but the most powerful radio transmissions. That's right, a directed powerful radio transmission is one way to transmit anything across noisy space (as was done at now-defunct Araceibo long ago).

[@kungfu2toe]

Everytime brokolos hair

[@Neobert5240]

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[@ddally8851]

I will believe in aliens when I see Jay Leno driving a UAP.

[@birtybonkers8918]

The speed of light applies to transverse electromagnetic waves. Longitudinal waves go much faster.

[@intrespekt]

There is an entire other world of tech, people and entities hidden from us...

[@daviddrew7852]

I strongly suspect as much.

[@CraftySasquatch]

Aliens as in a breakaway society portion of humanity who survive epoch to epoch and are the controllers of humanity through the oligarch system. Beware the fake war on aliens designed to depopulate the planet before the next solar micro nova.

[@RickyM6666]

The Powers That Be have tech 50 years ahead of what you and l know today .

[@CraftySasquatch]

@@RickyM6666 1,000's of years. They survived the last epoch bro. They where the Atlantians.

[@RickyM6666]

@@CraftySasquatch That too but im thinking of our overlords now .

[@italianmiltyfriedman6264]

people simply look at distance between stars as the only barrier between us and them but time is the most important part of the equation. the fact that a civilization could rise and fall before humanity even started using fire means the chances we meet other sentient life in the span of humanities arc is infinitesimal

[@daviddrew7852]

There is another issue. Redshift is probably not an accurate measure of distance. See Misconceptions episode, part 2.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

@@italianmiltyfriedman6264 By 2050 it will be common knowledge we are not alone. i.e. The Teygetans are _already_ here (along with other cloaked ships.) One of the few things crackpot Einstein got right (because he ripped it off) is that Time and Space are linked. e.g. When you have FTL you automatically have Time Travel and vice versa. It is only a matter of time before man is _allowed_ to publicly know about FTL. Ironically for the layperson nothing will change. They will still put their pants on one leg at a time, go to work, and pay their taxes.

[@italianmiltyfriedman6264]

@@MichaelPohoreski you can't accept we are alone.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

@@italianmiltyfriedman6264 My truth of having met aliens overrides your lie of “we are alone”.

[@ivornelsson2238]

Thanks for this video. Regarding “time”-travelling, I have my money on the ancient and spiritual way of travelling “out-of-body” - in where “time” does not exist at all. ---- When studying the millions of ancient cultural cave- and rock art images, I don’t accept the cherry-picked handful which is theoretically connected to the modern Plasma Cosmology as evidence for such a connection. Aside the standing collective mythological amnesia, modern humans have in large also forgot how our ancestors noticed the day- and night scenarios very closely. Stars, star constellations and even the white contours of the crescent vaulting Milky Way contours was noticed as seemingly revolving around a central point in the night sky. Wheels or concentric rings was symbolized by our ancestors as this pole axis center, and different constellations was painted or carved as both animals and humanlike figures. Even the very Milky Way contours was mythologized as both animals, human like beings (the so called “Stickman” figure) or even as the modern expression as “ships”. Planets were/are for our ancestors simply “Wanderings Stars” on the eclipse, hence having the TBP construction of an alien planetary configuration idea of “planets hovering on a line over the Earth´s north pole axis” with references to ancient Myths of Creation, is simply too far out and not consistent with the ancient observations. The numerous cultural Creations Myths was/is logically about much more than planetary matters and our ancestors knew that very well. Otherwise, I have the scientific verifiable Plasma Cosmology and Electric Universe to be very refreshing indeed.

[@daviddrew7852]

The EU does not advocate for time-traveling. That is a mainstream speculation. I have no issue with the shamanic approach to this subject matter, but a twenty-minute video has its limits. As I said at the beginning, the EU can accommodate many ideas without resting on them. However, so much rock art and ancient symbolism is clearly plasma-related, especially the Thunderbolts of The Gods, for example.

[@ivornelsson2238]

@@daviddrew7852 - Thanks for replying. Yes, the specific symbol which the TBP has interpreted as "Thunderbolts of The Gods", is electromagnetically connected, but it stands stands for a double directed force of creation as such, and has nothing to do with catastrophism at large. Otherwise, only a handful Rock Arts are specifically cherry picked to participate in the Plasma Cosmology and Electric Universe theories. Just google "petroglyphs and rock art images" and see for yourself if there is a clear evidence for the PC claims. How many of the findings can be reproduced in a PC laboratory? As said: Only a handful amongst several millions . . . Regards Ivar

[@ivornelsson2238]

@@daviddrew7852 Thanks for replying, David. Yes, what the TBP is calling "The Thunderbolts of the Gods" symbol is electromagnetically connected in its double directional force of creation, and as such it IS plasma related, but it has nothing to do with catastrophism at all. David (and other): Just image google “petroglyph and rock art” and see for yourself how many of several millions and many varieties can be reproduced in plasma laboratories. As said before, only a cherry-picked handful, and it has so without pondering over how humans have told mythical and celestial stories of star constellations and the celestial pole axis and the Milky Way and made carvings of it all - and done so all over the world. BTW: The entire mythical department in the TBP is intellectually reduced to tell a misconceived constructed tale about planets only, amongst ancestral cultural creation stories of the entire Milky Way galaxy. Regards Ivar

[@kfast9260]

It's not so much about cherry-picking as consistency, and plasma effects in the laboratory mirror so much rock art. There is also the morphology dependent upon latitude, and so many other factors as per this vid.

[@ivornelsson2238]

@@daviddrew7852 - Obviously, you haven't made your own Rock Art research, so you are sort of excused for having this conviction.

[@ConsciousnessWatch]

Great summary of EU implications for these other arenas.

[@RandyFricke]

I don't think these beings are traveling through time and distance. I believe they are traveling through dimensions. I say that because to my way of thinking a civilization that has developed travel beyond light speed would not require craft with running lights?

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

Do they have running lights?

[@critical-thought]

Other life preceded us, and one day we will live in harmony with them. But it sure isn’t what most people think.

[@John-Rambo81]

The bible calls them angels and Demons.

[@Socrates-ti2dh]

😇😎😇

[@michaelwilliams3232]

Recommend Mauro Biglino or Paul Wallis, 2 bible scholars who present a different view of the Old Testament. One where God is jealous, violent and fallible, and by extension, not God.

[@valentinmalinov8424]

They are good, but the scientific side is better explained in the book - "Theory of Everything in Physics and The Universe" (It is our book)

[@fasted8468]

21:10 bob greenyer posits that the navy understood this phenomenon becaaue the easiest way to perform cold fusion is in cavitation experiments. Proppellers induce cavitation. Also the navy is the only branch of service consistently with access to nuclear engines like on subs aircraftcarriers?

[@Fractal379]

This is why it's sometimes best to stick to what you're best at. Granted, you probably haven't devoted as much time to the in-depth study of all subjects & sources as you have the EU, but therein lies the rub.

[@davidmooten6646]

hahaha great joke from Sagan....

[@fasted8468]

Weve only detected 2 or 3 interstellar objects. It is my honest belief that matter can only exist under the influences of magnetism electricity and gravity, and that space travel would not work for an uncharged item, it would be torn apart by the ether without a star to absorb and process the ether.

[@cliftondozier7822]

hay yall . love your show . I think skinwalker ranch in Utah has proven the electric Univers theory . s2e3 .

[@onlyonewhyphy]

Yeah, I did _used_ to believe, until the government blah blah and so on... Not joking.

[@madincraft4418]

I hear repeatedly that spooky action at a distance has been verified. How? I never hear how it's done. I need to see the process to believe it.

[@daviddrew7852]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKbZfGClmZtnbcU

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

Plenty about this on YT

[@rickcheyne]

The one thing that I didn't see you touch on was the speed of sound and being able to move without creating any sound. UFO's never cause sonic booms because they don't make any noise when they move at high speed. Moving very fast is one thing. Doing it without making any noise is another thing altogether.

[@daviddrew7852]

Well, presumably that relates to the electro-gravitic claims?

[@fictitiousart6410]

I’ve never met an alien lifeform that wasn’t a figure of my own imagination.

[@russellcollins4291]

It was a good video. I've said a lot of UFO sightings were probably plasma events for a while now, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. If anyone is interested I have a paper on scalar electrogravitation by Lt. Colonel Tom Bearden I'm willing to pass along.

[@daviddrew7852]

Yes, I hope I got that message over. The one in your second sentence.

[@russellcollins4291]

@@daviddrew7852 Loud and clear, Thank you. It's time humanity grows up collectively enough to be good neighbors, and messages like this are a good reminder. Maybe they won't come for a party until we turn down our music. On the note of ball lightning, if we could understand, create and control it well enough it could conceivably be used to contain a craft. Imagine a car that could change direction in an instant, or zip through walls to avoid accidents...

[@halweilbrenner9926]

Ok look like sprites in form

[@righteousrebel3152]

Inspiration?

[@daviddrew7852]

Que?

[@vapormissile]

70,000 years ago, a habitable star passed very near Earth. It's obviously a ridiculous idea that our moon us a hollow ark that might have been driven here from there, at sunlight speeds, colonizing our planet. But it's a nice story. And it's nowhere *near* as ridiculous as our actual paradigm.

[@WilliamMunny-d8s]

if sound can only be created or rather propagated in a medium such as air, what medium if any did the bell sound propagate thru to make the BELL SOUND when that lunar module landed/crashed?

[@daviddrew7852]

Surface layers of the moon?

[@WilliamMunny-d8s]

@@daviddrew7852 theres no atmosphere so how would the sound get to the astronauts ears or microphones? Sound CANT travel inan ampty vacum

[@powers1776reset]

Oh ffs, have you taken a look at that “lunar module” since you were a wee lad? If not, I would strongly suggest you do so. Take a real hard look at that “scientific marvel”. But if you have indeed, already done this, and still hold onto the childhood dream of it all, then forgive me for attempting to interfere with the fantasy. Good day

[@daviddrew7852]

@@powers1776reset I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Please elaborate. As regards the Bell sound mentioned in your first post, are you suggesting that sound only propagates in air?

[@WilliamMunny-d8s]

@@powers1776reset pound sand gamma male. im not saying i believe it anymore than tooth fairy, but it doesnt change how sound does not propagate in a vacumso gow could supposed hollow moon ring like a bell?

[@chicoarraes]

This channel is losing focus... I wish it would go back to factual analysis... what happened to the Safire Project and all the engineers talking about real hard data?

[@duderama6750]

Radio silence.

[@daviddrew7852]

The EU represents a holistic and interdisciplinary approach to the sciences. So much is connected. Saffire is now Aureon kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYSZmJ6oj72ol7M

[@kfast9260]

TB represents a broad interdisciplinary approach to the sciences and can accommodate many ideas dismissed by orthodox science, without resting on them.

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

I love to see it connecting all the different strands. That's why the EU works for me.

[@SandManMadness]

🤣💯The Only time a 👽 would work with governments. Is Because 👽 needs a work force.

[@tinaryan4023]

Wonder if Elon Musk has explored EU

[@daviddrew7852]

He doesn't seem to know that much about Nikola Tesla...

[@quinto190]

@@daviddrew7852 He has read a biography of Tesla back in the 1990's. Which one, is probably somewhere in a book list or in Ashlee Vance's biography of Musk.

[@quinto190]

I don't think so, he is more a mainstream guy 🙂. He didn't listen to Steven Greer or Paul Schatzkin either, probably.

[@daviddrew7852]

@@quinto190 I have heard Musk criticize Tesla's business acumen, which surprised me, because Tesla was more philanthropic than business-orientated.

[@quinto190]

@@daviddrew7852 Yes, this is something Musk learned from the Tesla biography. Tesla failed to sustain himself financially, because as an inventor he relied on outside backers. Philo Farnsworth repeated this mistake partially, by the way. I just read Paul Schatzkin's book about him. Farnsworth could have developed fusion energy in the 1960's, if he kept the control on his company after developing television...

[@intergalacticmeow]

Just when I was taking this channel serious well to the junk pile

[@Keaggan]

Is this what Thunderbolts is becoming after Walter died? Smh

[@daviddrew7852]

I liked Walter, but I don't know what position he took on this subject matter, do you?

[@Jeffroh]

Steven Greer was a mediocre ER doctor in town i grew up in, im doubtful of his "disclosure".

[@Teshake]

Anything moving faster than the speed of light is invisible or “dark”. Perhaps, when we look at the night sky we are face to face with dark matter, “hiding in plain darkness”.

[@southpaw7426]

Here’s a UFO clip over the Fagradahlsfjall volcanic area, Iceland, while it was erupting earlier this year. At 1:05 you will see it appear in the upper left corner of the shot, and streak to the right, make a right angle turn away from the camera, and blast off instantly. Slow your playback settings to 0.25 and you will see it’s not a conventional aircraft or plasma. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXvUqGqwbtFrr68si=xobm0vtxVBdx5htm I found another at a different volcano about 2 months later- will post when I find the saved video.

[@Luxxotic]

The moon is artificial and was put there by the Annunaki

[@davidmooten6646]

to be honest i have no idea if alien presence is real....is there a shortcut traveling as far as other homeplanets possible somehow or are all things observed local.....i had a sighting of something " impossible " and unknown to me...it was to small to have any passengers of our size however.... it disappeared in thin air....i accept i have no explanation , i though immediately about a drone but when i looked better it wasnt at all ,it was lightning and turning around its axis moving up , a bit like a clockwork in a glass shell with something long and thin in the direction it moved , it looked constructed...nobody else saw it or looked at it....it was above the empty market square near my flat....it sure wasnt a plasma....

[@AshleyGraetz]

the prometheus show jumping trials continue

[@munkypark2560]

Nobody went to the moon.

[@valentinmalinov8424]

You are wrong! I been there!

[@andyman8630]

there is no such thing as *ONLY ONE* of anything, anywhere - life (on earth) is not the exception, it is the Universal Rule FTL is easily possible, specially when your vehicle generates "artificial gravity" - acceleration as a result of thrust induces inertia, however acceleration as a result of "falling" induces zero inertia, which is why Felix Baumgartner exceeded the speed of sound with no form of conventional propulsion whatsoever so, your vehicle generates 'artificial gravity' and your vehicle "falls" towards that centre of artiificial gravity while experiencing ZERO inertia - and not just 1G, but depending on your power supply, you may induce a million - without experiencing inertia! start, stop, change direction on a dime at mach 700 and neither the vehicle nor the occupants experience inertia

[@ThMindFdr]

Stephen greer 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@NotableHeroicFailures]

Many in the UFO community dislike Greer for some reason (?), yet he is the one to recruit numerous credible experts in different fields, and to get sensible discussion and political hearings started.

[@Yuri_Panbolsky]

5:25 Yes - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2HUp6SCoM2WhtU

[@daviddrew7852]

I discuss 'curved-space-time' in my Einstein TB video.

[@Pavel_Poluian]

Некоторые люди знают правду. Например, в книге Кристофера Бакли "Зеленые человечки" описана история, когда президент США узнает, что "летающие тарелки" - секретная техника, а россказни про инопланетян распространяют спецслужбы США. Но Бакли бы спичрайтером Буша-старшего и дело было, если ему верить, в конце 90-х годов. Секретная технология развивалась с 40-х годов, испытывалась, совершенствовалась, использовалась для шпионажа. Было огромное число дезинформаций прикрытия - от спецслужб. Я все это описал в статье "НЛО - это сделано в США" - погуглите, на моем канале есть видеофильм "Анатомия НЛО" Технология "летающих тарелок", "треугольников" и пр. - земная и совсем не фантастичная (что может быть фантастического в двигательных панелях с тысячами рельсотронных ячеей, которые синхронно стреляют разрядной плазмой с частотой до мегагерц - создают двигательный импульс). Но там есть важный недостаток - сильное микроволновое излучение, для гражданского использования не годится. Да, и для военного - только редкие шпионские миссии, иначе пилотам - смерть... Так что технология удивительная, но не супер. А сейчас и шпионская миссия отпала - из космоса все идно и границы у всех прозрачные. Поэтому начался процесс рассекречивания - плазменные двигательные панели хорошо годятся для грузовых дирижаблей - там кабина пилота может быть удалена от источников излучения (плазменных панелей). А в истории - много чего было, да и паранормальное бывает, наверное, инопланетяне, призраки, ангелы... Но самое главное: секретная техника такого типа есть.

[@thomasjones1496]

Why did the Moon not ring like a bell when Apollo 11 released its lander * Minute mark????????????????

[@daviddrew7852]

Were they checking for this?

[@KCTV]

🔔

[@ScottNotAvailable]

Hmmm. Do you guys scrub comments you don't agree with?

[@medicalmisinformation]

KZbin does that on its own sometimes and we think it's the channel.

[@rogerscottcathey]

Well should that be the case for anything you may have posted ere this, you have every right to ask. I would encourage you to post such again. Then let us know if it was again "disappeared". Because that's not right if so. Thanks for asking.

[@DanielRuiz-oq9cy]

KZbin has a happy, hopeful community, with the ability to remove posts.....

[@lazertroll702]

YT deletes (i call it "poofs") comments if keywords meet a context, or if the user makes a lot of posts in a period. AI does the filtering, according to the"YT Algorithm" .. it's not just you. 😮‍💨

[@j.pershing2197]

​@@lazertroll702 Yep. Like MT1372! LOOK it up. Its the public announcement of the NWO in 1991. 6:30

[@SandManMadness]

Real or Fake alien invasion thats just going to be interesting. 🤔🤣 Because all i know 🤔 if invading a plant Y would i work with any Government. Like Y it's either getting lie or get Flattened.

[@Dontquoteme933]

I have come to the conclusion that God put the expansive heavens in place just to give us an idea of what eternity is, and just a glimpse of his brightness and excellence, glory. We can hardly comprehend what is before our eyes as we look farther and farther, the time, the distance, the mass out there. The farther we look the farther it goes. Kinda like a nightmare hallway, it just keeps getting longer the faster you try and run. "His ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts", so this is best He can share and show a glimpse of what forever or an endless day may be like. "For signs and seasons"

[@jonaswhale6451]

I dont think it was God but many Gods .

[@ahabwolf7580]

I agree, if God exists, that is exactly the type of narcissistic thing he would do. Look upon all of my power and glory and know that I will not heal your 4 year old's cancer. To each their own I guess.

[@Ready4R]

Ummm are we saying the Moon landing was real? I hope not...

[@playfulplanets1697]

I don't recall anything being said either way.

[@epockismet76]

We are too "broken" culturally, and physiologically, to comprehend life beyond earth as a group. Some people might undersrand life (and The Creator) enough to be able to understand the whats and whys, but the rest of the arguments rest completely on the imaginations of the debaters, and nearly all situations like that just wastes time, and leads no where. If aliens are broken like us, they likely wouldnt be able to travel safely in space, and if they aren't broken, most people would see it as a Jewish conspiracy of some kind 🤪🤡🌐

[@tunderstormax]

Get Jason Reza Jorjani on please 🙏❤️❤️

[@daviddrew7852]

I looked at his work. He seems obsessed with time travel. However, I think the universe has an absolute clock, as per this video.

[@tunderstormax]

@@daviddrew7852 appreciate you looking into it

[@user-fx5bj8zv3o]

total delusional nonsense

[@jjpc4549]

Aliens = demons

[@plasmavortex5388]

@@jjpc4549 cool story bro

[@markstriker925]

Hate to burst your bubble. But demons aren't real buddy.

[@jjpc4549]

@@markstriker925 😂😂😂it’s all fun & games until you need an exorcist.

[@loweedwards7807]

That is still a religious view. However in the past humans look upon them as "Gods", like Ezekiel did. Why would God use or need a flying vehicle? 🤣

[@jjpc4549]

@@loweedwards7807 yep. It’s pretty wild when “science” (which is the study of the Natural world) tries to study the supernatural or preternatural😊

[@bubbajones6907]

Apart from emotional attachment to aliens as a symbol of transcendence, I don't understand how these believers can just ignore the Fermi Paradox. According to this paradox, the larger and older the universe is, and the more habitable planets there are, the more certain we can be that alien civilisations don't exist. As believers have no understanding of logic, they assume that a big, old universe with many habitable planets, implies a higher likelihood of aliens.

[@user-yr5nv2gv7m]

no big monkey in sky = no aliens? doesnt take a space faring type 3 alien, just an uncontacted hunter gatherer from amazonia with basic english and internet connection (say a tribal elder who has the maturity to care, and the time to read) to ask u "so what does this 'civilization' thing mean to YOU? or even better 'democracy'? cause platon coined it as pejorative... doesnt most of you 'first worlders' know it? or just dont care?" to which ud only reply with embarassed silence... and these are just the 2 most trivial neuralgies of the human experience.... theres a bell curve, its two ends are the average modern superstitious ignoramus and the people of the neolithic who domesticated every single plant and animal species u depend on from a completely wild form, both believing in it, and the bottom at the middle is you, who dont know just the wrong amount...

[@daviddrew7852]

I'm not sure the universe is amenable to simple logic. The Fermi Paradox derives from a gravitational understanding of the universe, which is lacking.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

The _Teygetans_ (who are already here) prove that the Fermi Paradox is based on ignorance.