David Moyes made a HUGE MISTAKE sacking me at Man United, Rene Meulensteen tells talkSPORT! 🤦‍♂️😤

[@biachfarm8469]

and that was the time..when Moyes said to Rio and Vidic to learn from Jagielka 😂

[@marcussewell8999]

Stop it 😂😂😂

[@vietkong1]

Yeah I remember that imagine how confused Rio and Vidic must have been. Just for saying that Moyesy should have been sacked on the spot

[@LeeTAZ-sl7de]

If tou look at Ten Hag, he walked into a club in turmoil, his first thought wasnt lets turn United into Ajax, one of the first things he did was visit the united museum to learn more about the history and identity of the club, he then told the players to visit the museum. Even with his choice of coaches he braught in Maclaren, not only a coach he had worked with but a coach that had worked with sir Alex during initeds treble winning season.

[@Igunbor]

Please how can we pin this, to top of comments…?

[@learnenglishwithrichard8175]

@@Igunbor welcome to KZbin. Likes will make comments rise.

[@ponyboy1664]

He then went on to try and sign every Ajax player...

[@FountainOfYoot]

​@@ponyboy1664he bought two. Calm your loins.

[@clinton9769]

@@ponyboy1664 they werent just ajax players they where his players, players he developed

[@GrahransWoWGold]

This has always been Moyes downfall. He dismantled the structure of the club, which would have offered him more stability in his job. Who starts a new job, and ruins every chance of making it a success?!

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

what? so you're suggesting sacking league winning staff and replacing them with Phil Neville was a bad idea???

[@GrahransWoWGold]

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@marcvatter1686]

I totally agree, as soon as Moyes got rid off Ferguson’s back room staff, he was going to struggle.

[@reginaldoklah6845]

I have always been saying this. Should have kept the backroom staff at least made gradual changes. Moyes believed in his own hype In fact, I think Moyes is the reason Utd is where we are now.

[@jamesmilne8445]

Soon as Moyes made that decision I knew he was toast.

[@ROCKY-w5r]

We manutd fans have not forgotten how he dismantled everything.

[@johngibbonsp3634]

The North Stand remembers.

[@Crashbandicoot449]

He’s right tbf meulensteen was a great coach for United .

[@kaisersolo76]

Moyes, replaced fergies full back room staff with his jokers . thats why he failed.

[@PedroPorridge]

Unbelievable decisions that heralded his downfall

[@Timekeeper1200]

None of Ferguson's staff who Moyes released have done much since 2013

[@iainrobertson3328]

Moves biggest mistake he should have not got rid of them

[@matthewm3869]

@@Timekeeper1200 you're not seeing the point. When you have a group of players that has worked with and trusted these coaches, it doesn't make sense to just dismantle the whole thing and get rid of them all rather than trying to work a few of them into the staff

[@MrLEPARKER]

@@Timekeeper1200 it was a team effort as rene explained... the gutts of the club was ripped out after losing fergie if that wasnt bad enghth to cope with and the ageing team he left us with

[@trustmeimaphysiologist]

I don't think this is just about football, but leadership in general... I've always thought that strong managers are willing to keep things as they were, do the job, and see how the existing staff operate before making changes; and weak managers make immediate changes, usually surrounding themselves with "yes men/women".

[@upon-fe2720]

This was the biggest thing about Moyes' era, he changed too much too quick. I can't imagine how much he regrets it.

[@MichaelBoogerd]

I think he was under a lot of pressure to do just that, but it backfired in that the continuity was lost.

[@chrisknight2631]

It was a stupid decision. Imagine going from a mid-table team, with mid-table staff, mid-table coaches, and going to the champions, with champion staff, champion coaches, and getting rid of the champion lot and bringing the mid-table lot in. Utter joke. United finished 7th that year, and have yet to recover. Behind the scenes the club has been in disarray since then.

[@Dazzer-gx3yl]

In all honestly it was before then as Sir Alex patched up a lot of the team with players who really had no right in playing for the club. Cleverley, Anderson etc. He was able to get a tune out of his key guys to carry the team, but it did need an overhaul.

[@PedroPorridge]

Really was unbelievable

[@dariel299]

so far on the right track with eth, long may the reign continue

[@adamaston1460]

I think fergie left the squad knowing it was right for the new manager to bring in his own players it’s why he left clevs and the deadwood so he could buy who he wanted if saf sold them he would need to buy and that would leave moyes more problems as they were saf players not his didn’t help that his first transfer window was an utter joke thanks to Woodward

[@zinedinezidane4771]

I half agree with this. But think it's more to do with the Glazers than fergie. When we sold Ronaldo we bought bloody Valencia and Owen

[@steve13191]

Moyes only has one style of play. Back post crossing and set piece. Play down the channel to a strong striker. As much as moyes ruined united, fergie played the biggest part picking a clown just because he is scottish 🤣🤣🤣

[@djelalniyazi4090]

i think fergie really had the say to bring moyes in, part his fault

[@tonyqwabe5873]

Jobs for Pals

[@rhys2091]

He didn’t pick him, read his book there were like 5 candidates above him, including pep and klopp, moyes was his bottom tier choice

[@rhys2091]

@@djelalniyazi4090no he didn’t, he wanted other managers but the club couldn’t get them, shouldn’t be blaming him whatsoever when he wanted other completely elite managers

[@MrThedonhead]

Your talking absolute rubbish! He wasn't his first choice and as if it is going to be all down to Ferguson to decide 😂 and pick him coz he's Scottish 😂 also he didn't know he was going to change everything and buy players like Fellani!! Fellani at Manchester United! Besides people was quite happy with Moyes at the time

[@nathanparfitt3038]

Showing Ferdinand how defend using videos of jagielka is the equivalent of swapping a prem team winning back room staff with a team of top four hopefuls

[@Alzenryo]

Imagine changing all high standard coaching staff to midtable everton coaches, no wonder they finished 7th.

[@nathanparfitt3038]

@@Alzenryo he was quite clearly stubborn on top of being out of his depth, they may have just followed on with some success had he not made the radical changes he did when he came…..probably fergies biggest mistake he made was the one to appoint moyseh

[@sillwuka]

It's just a myth that.

[@nathanparfitt3038]

@@sillwuka not according to Rio Ferdinand on his podcast

[@MrGts92]

“I don't know where that came from to be honest, that's something that never happened,” Ferdinand told the BBC. “Listen, Phil Jagielka was a very good player. I'm sure he wouldn't have shown us videos of Phil of how we should be doing this and that, but I don't know where that came from. That's just some mad tale that's come out of nowhere. “Someone has dreamed that up and it's become a great meme.” Imagine still peddling lies after Rio has said otherwise 😂😂😂😂 knowledgeable fanbase

[@teaandbiscuits1]

I remember this being the moment that I thought we were doomed.

[@Lifewithgoldbridge121]

Yea, I was baffled he changed the whole staff room of winners.

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

I thought we were doomed the moment that the media were speculating that moyes was about to get the job. He didn't even need to walk through the door for most of us to know he was the wrong appointment. The loss of momentum he cost us is still being felt today, ten years later. Imagine City replacing Pep with an appointment like that. Batshit decision.

[@johndough1703]

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere It was strange. Moyes at Everton was confident for their standing in the table. When he came to UTD it was like he couldn’t even stand up straight, like he was already picturing his inevitable failure.

[@DeclanShanahan-f7g]

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Fergie took Pep out for dinner and sounded him out about taking over he then had a year off and went to Bayern

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

@@DeclanShanahan-f7g yes I'm aware. Fergie has since commented that he suspected Pep had already agreed a deal with Munchen but was too polite to reject Fergie's offer during the dinner

[@steadycasemiro]

The job was always going to be far too big for Moyes.

[@matthewdoyle3877]

So he didint deserve a bit more time?????????

[@benwatkins6513]

​@@matthewdoyle3877no cuz he changed to much got cocky

[@MadMurdock69]

​@@matthewdoyle3877NO.. Should never have been appointed..

[@steadycasemiro]

@@matthewdoyle3877 No, I think they realised very quickly that he wasn’t cut out for it. He lost the fans and the squad. Once that happens, there is no way back.

[@jamespalmer980]

He deserved no time. What’s he ever done in management? He’s useless

[@AGH2304]

Knew it was a bad decision at the time. Moyes EGO got in the way.

[@elvisng76204]

I think the hierachy + Gills and SAF thought that appointing Moyes would continued w the same club structure and backroom staffs and coaches as Utd had been successful for many years. And if appointing other top coaches at that time would certainly meant replacing the entire coaching staff with theirs.

[@DeclanShanahan-f7g]

I think it was fairly well known Moyes was about 5th choice. Pep was the choice but had a year off and went to Bayern. Fergie left because his wife lost her sister so the planning went out the window. Moyes was seen as someone who was worth a go. As the interview goes he had no idea how big the job was. I have no idea why you bin everyone who had just won the league by a mile.

[@samkev5246]

​@@DeclanShanahan-f7gFergie probably knew his time was up when Man City won the title at the last minute of 2012. And he bottled away the championship lead, they were 8 points clear in April, and scuppered the lead into May. Unforgivable for himself. Everyone thought Fergie lost his championship credentials. He fought for RVP, and thought this guy will be his last throw of the dice. And it worked.

[@rahulanandam]

David Moyes didn't only try to reinvent the wheel, he tried to make a F1 Pirelli tyre with stone...

[@rubindevasia6614]

Moyes is one of the culprits for the downfall of United😢

[@nickraoyj]

I'd argue the root cause of it all, ironically, was Sir Alex himself. A manager can't be given all the power to appoint his own successor, it's the job for a Director of Football, of which United never had one because Fergie was handling everything. His far-reaching influence was counter-productive for United, and if he was truly wise he'd have laid the foundations for a modern system in place before he left, i.e. making sure a DOF was appointed and for commercial and football arms to be separated.

[@ntuarabrian948]

@@nickraoyj Wise thoughts man I've also always felt Fergie should have done well in that regard coz our system was entirely laid and reliant on his blueprint such that if he left, the aftermath could have always been felt regardless and not for the best reasons...

[@rubindevasia6614]

@@nickraoyj i agree with Fergie point.. and definitely deep down he knows he has played a part in this downfall for his influence on the club

[@MaryLogan-gj3sm]

Also, you could argue that Man Utd never really won the league in AF's last season, rather the other teams lost it. The standard of that league win was really poor.

[@MrGts92]

Not really, we had so many opportunities to create a system after Moyes and we didn't. The squad needed to be changed and we had no plan.

[@Its_JustKai]

David Moyes fired his guidance in his way forward and failed!

[@adamp2426]

Moyes may have done more damage than previously thought. Removing the successful structure that had been in place for years.

[@chagavah]

Moyes ushered in the dark days after dismantling the structure. Everyone has been attempting to put it right, but it's very difficult. Hope Ten Hag win's something significant.

[@pauldark3044]

That Utd won the PL in 2013 with a mediocre team at best says enough about the staff that was there, Moyes really f..... up the way he handled it

[@BabsW]

I remember seeing the BBC Sport headline that Moyes was replacing Sir Alex's coaches with his coaches and feeling even worse about Moyes replacing Sir Alex. He was doomed and it was so obvious- he actually did worse than I predicted.

[@brandonmoran6478]

Like buying a house, being told work needs doing on the foundations and instead building a balcony.....

[@pappathescooper]

Cuckold Moyes Replace the trusted winning back room staff with ‘his own people’ = Phil Neville 😂😂😂😂 Nice one mate

[@SMB357]

Very much a big mistake, never a good idea to sack people that knows the club and has multiple trophies on their CV.

[@Sauvage_Foxes]

would hve been moyes ego. To be fair sir alex won the title with an awful team that moyes inherited. I don't think the outcome would have changed with or without fergys assistants. There were already cracks i feel. bit like the stadium lol

[@oumaduthsauba4053]

Rene is absolutely right. Shame different style of management from mid table manager.

[@TMAS01]

Bit of a click bait headline 😆

[@KIRRAH1]

Rene is right about that. Moyes dismantlef the machine Ferguson built!

[@Edgeloading5539]

So he admits he goes in the new manager in his house and tells him how the place runs and how they do it and what they should do and what the previous manager wants. Yeah not surprising he was binned off.

[@matthewm3869]

it's almost ilke managing Everton was different than United at that time. Moyes was a fool for just cutting every coach the players worked with and trusted and then showing them footage of Everton players, give me a break.

[@eNyaaaw]

Not surprised David was binned off. Should have listened.

[@MrLEPARKER]

so if you had to captin a ship would you not trust its crew???

[@seb1554]

But Moyes has no track record of winning anything so it’s not like he came in with any authority I’m sure Rene was just trying to help and guide him.

[@jhpfdijtuiweruot]

Aw you've just started watching football. Cute

[@MaxiVera-p6m]

Sacking a world class coaching team. Ouch Moyes!

[@JohnSmith-nn7tw]

Then Van Gaal fk up by selling 'United' players. Evans, Fletcher, Hernandez, van Persie. Experts making amateur mistakes.

[@karannegi7199]

Moyes can still make up to United fans by signing Harry Maguire and getting him off their books. Now is the chance to redeem himself!

[@tonyqwabe5873]

Nice one brilliant

[@bman6414]

I remember hearing Moyes would succeed Sir Alex and thinking "well we had a good run".

[@topbins1391]

Rene is actually irreplaceable. Moyes fucked up majorly

[@jamessimon2664]

Moyes Wrecked the Club. Brought his Lidl Staff in! Sacked his M&S Staff! Wasn't good enough and put us on a downhill slope for 10+ Years

[@PedroPorridge]

This is fascinating I listened to it five times. Gonna listen again

[@Gotair111]

Finally we get the truth!

[@800iq2]

I always knew Moyes was gonna be trash but wanted him to succeed anyway. I really felt like the players didn't buy into Moyes and you can see the hesitancy of the players on the pitch. You can see the players really buy into SAF when they played. They played with a sense of trust in the tactics and each other and that went out the window when Moyes took over. Shame. Was really expecting a more decorated manager to succeed SAF.

[@william_ed132]

Jim White making sure he gets the Moyes criticism in, Sullivan called in a favour to Jim.

[@LEON.1717]

He has been getting some stick on here lately. 🤔

[@Its_JustKai]

David Moyes if u had listened to Sir Alex before taking the reins at Old Trafford you wld have been a success!

[@matthewdoyle3877]

He needed time like Ferguson had

[@Its_JustKai]

@@matthewdoyle3877 NAH he didn't follow the instructions Sir Alex gave him he never shld have fired the backroom staff Fergie left him wht!

[@AddedTime2476]

@@matthewdoyle3877 Time is earned and Moyes didn't earn it

[@kingy-ck2qw]

​@@Its_JustKaiThat's exactly why he had to get rid of Fergie gurus....TAKING INSTRUCTIONS!! 😂 He was a manager and he was the one to be giving instructions not the other way round. He was unfortunate that he didn't perform are required of the team of that calibre but he was right to pick a backroom stuff he was comfortable with. Being reminded of how we do things here is not good. Moyes being a manager, like any other manager, wanted to do what he wanted to do how he wanted to do his way

[@matthewdoyle3877]

@@AddedTime2476 He could hardly earn it in 10 MONTHS could he??????? Ferguson needed longer than that to win his first trophy SEVEN YEARS to win title, good job you wasnt born back then you would have wanted Ferguson out

[@chefmattlowe]

Big mistake not to keep Meulensteen.

[@nevillecharlton8260]

Moyes should've kept that foundation that was so dumb of him, we wouldn't have suffered like we have in the last 10 years!

[@JohnSmith-nn7tw]

Moyes could have put his feet up and won many PLs. Such a bad error.

[@PedroPorridge]

Jose Mourinho was the man afterSir Alex he would have maintained the continuity.

[@shaw9673]

Would love Rene Back at the club along with Carlos queiroz also in some Capacity

[@TB-rq1hz]

Then we might as well bring SAF back as well! You can't go backwards. Football like everything else evolves. You need to move with the times.

[@joekavanagh7171]

I agree. We had some brilliant coaches under Ferguson, such as McClaren, Queiroz, Phelan and Meulensteen. It's significant that Ferguson's worst seasons were when he did not have an assistant manager.

[@shaw9673]

@@joekavanagh7171 yeh I think Renee would be a perfect addition to the existing staff and his knowlage and knowing the club. And Carlos was a tactic genius to add to it

[@Erlendwi]

Getting the manager of Everton to Manchester United. That was a funny one. What an absolute disaster of an appointment. So Moyes, manager of Everton thought he could just walk in and replace all the staff with his staff and expect any respect from the players? Good one. I remember the day, I was in shock and disbelief when Moyes got the job.

[@fabianblackman2159]

Real madrid has done the same 😂

[@erlendwillassen4027]

@@fabianblackman2159 Yes with a world beater of a manager. ;)

[@seb1554]

This is all the Glazers fault that they allowed the outgoing manager to choose his successor. They thought he might be another Fergie who can win them things on the cheap, just greed and incompetence.

[@jhpfdijtuiweruot]

Fergie came from Aberdeen to Utd

[@seb1554]

@@jhpfdijtuiweruot Aberdeen were the Scottish and European cup champions…

[@ragecandy]

Moyes destroyed Utd in a season

[@pauloccs2546]

Meulensteen was an absolute legend. I was gutted when he went

[@javiismael1480]

From the day Moyes took over and I learned he sacked back room staff I knew he will fail … had he kept back room staff he would’ve stayed longer and could’ve been successful.

[@TB-rq1hz]

TBH I don't think Moyes would have been a success. He lacks so much as a manager so he was doomed from the start.

[@TheCzechLad_]

After Sir Alex left, Moyes came in and dismantled the entire club, all the coaching staff = gone. David Gill who was the chief executive left with Sir Alex and in came Ed Woodward who had absolutely no idea about football whatsoever and he was the main decision maker at the club apart from the owners. Moyes was a disaster, Van Gaal and Mourinho weren’t much better even though they won silverware, I do think if Mourinho got backed properly like Ten Hag is now he would’ve won a lot more, maybe even a title. What Manchester United should’ve done when Sir Alex retired is go and get Pep Guardiola or Jurgen Klopp. Pep left Barca in 2012 and didn’t join Bayern until 2013, Klopp won 2 titles with Dortmund in 2011 and a double in 2012, he should’ve been priority number 1. That’s all in the past now obviously and I’m happy we’ve got Erik Ten Hag now, but it should’ve been dealt with much better back then.

[@AddedTime2476]

Both Pep and Klopp didn't want the job Ancelotti and Del Bosque rejected the job Conflicting reports about Jose Hiddink and Blanc were realistic

[@HonestRef]

Moyes was an idiot for getting rid of this great backroom team. The information and knowledge he could have gained from them could have been priceless

[@neilpearce]

Players respected and love Rene, he’s one of the best coaches in the game and when he left and Moyes started coaching, that was when Moyes lost the players.

[@danw8586]

Can you hurry up and get Simon back from holiday, finding myself switching to other stations recently.

[@jasonbowe9767]

Moyes is one of the most overrated managers ever, probably one of the worst mistakes Ferguson ever made appointing him.

[@ultra5057]

Overrated? I would argue that he isn't rated much at all 😂

[@thepurplepanda1194]

he removed kagawa, Chicarito, etc etc....

[@MaverickLee11]

Hope Ten Hag brings him back, for any role within the club. He is important.

[@virupakshawalla5734]

Who Moyes?😂

[@raphael7373]

Moyes took us to the darkest part of the abyss. That I will never forget.

[@peterdowney7980]

GB "David Moyes made a HUGE MISTAKE sacking me". Moyes didn't do that and Meulensteen didn't say that - anything like. Come on talkSPORT, you're better than that, surely?

[@Sasha_1991]

Rene is amazing what articulate guy... Top.class

[@Pob2278]

And then signed Fellini 😂

[@PedroPorridge]

That was the sign he was not the man

[@MrGts92]

Moyes was just the first victim of Woodward. You can't 5 bad managerial appointments in a row, it just doesn't happen at big clubs unless theres something fundamentally wrong. If we take Moyes as the wrong fit, then the following managers should've worked better.

[@yomma4619]

Moyes single-handedly destroyed Man Utd

[@leviathon18]

The biggest problem was Fergie left a worn out retired team for the next manager, even though they won the league with van persie the rest of the team were on their last legs. Then the board did not back moyes in the transfer market from the get go and he had to get his 3rd or 4th choices and every other manager had a problem getting the players they wanted.

[@joekavanagh7171]

If United wanted Moyes as his successor, they should have appointed him to the training staff a year before Ferguson left, so he could have been integrated into the United system, and learned how to work with Ferguson's brilliant backroom team of Phelan and Meulensteen. Instead he replaced them with his own Everton backroom team. Can you imagine the likes of Jimmy Lumsden and Steve Round telling Rooney, Scholes and Giggs how to play?

[@tonybrown3192]

Absolutely spot on, I have said the same thing myself, Moyes, or whomever the replacement was, should have been integrated onto the coaching staff at least one season in advance to learn from Fergie and integrate with the existing staff.

[@AshBashSneakers]

Moyes was thre beginning of the end for us

[@matthewdoyle3877]

Your darling Ferguson was ONE game from the sack in 1990

[@Bpg5012trick]

​@@matthewdoyle3877But Ferguson went on to prove himself, what has Moyes gone on to prove?

[@matthewdoyle3877]

@@Bpg5012trick ONLY cause he got the time. Moyes has just won a trophy with a bang-average West ham side

[@rezaesmaili10]

Very interesting

[@StevenLewis-z6c]

Man tore the entire entity of the club apart in less than 6 months. Players and staff!

[@DjCraighowarth]

I’m looking for the part where he says “he made a HUGE MISTAKE” sacking me…. Anyone ? 🤔

[@tat1ukpable]

Sacked a number of premier league and champions league winning coaches to bring mid table Everton coaching staff in, sound like a good idea moyesey

[@fidgetspinner343]

Lets not forget it was FERGIE who pushed heavily for Moyes as his replacement. Probably the worst decision of his entire career, everyone could see see he wasn't the right man even before he started.

[@yasheenmahabeer]

David dismantler Moyes

[@karlmeadows4986]

Moyes shouldn't of been allowed to get rid of the dna of the club ,that was a big mistake, took 20 years to get all the backroom sorted and moyes destroyed it in weeks

[@tris421]

damn firing one of the most respected and best coaches in the game at the time and bringing in a team entirely of Everton coaches used to playing defensive football has to be one of the dumbest decisions i've ever heard of in football.

[@andyreddy-xy2jn]

Fergie to blame for Glazers (Rock of Gibraltar ) and the shambles that was (out of his depth ) Moyes

[@ericfurst6091]

Sad but true. He is maybe after Busby the most important figure for United but his relationship with the Glazers is dodgy. He must felt some loyalty for them bc they had a laissez-fair relationship with him.

[@joekavanagh7171]

The Rock of Gibraltar affair was down to the greed of Magnier and McManus, who almost totally destroyed the club by trying to undermine Ferguson's position as manager. In the end thankfully he saw them off.

[@smokey6766]

Nothing has changed with Moyes he still messing things up at West Ham now.

[@Petrosmurf9]

Hahhahaha finally, and people kept arguing with me why moyes was bad for the club…glad this video came out

[@thecompletetruth5824]

These guys knows the whole secret of success at old trafford, if I was david, I would stick with them to learn the whole secrets...

[@thewidowmaker4037]

David Moyes got exactly what he deserved, from clearly out the backroom staff to telling Rio that he should watch Phil Jagielka, lets get it right Moyes looked like a competition winner he should never of been anywhere near Old Trafford.

[@BigDome1]

If it had worked out people would have called it a "rebuild", it didn't. You can't necessarily say it was a totally flawed or incomprehensible approach, he probably thought that the best way to move forward was to create something new rather than try and fail at copying SAF.

[@Funnylaugh150]

Sacking Title winning staff to bring in Mid table staff is not a rebuild. it was just utter Rubish decision. and you wonder why they eventually finished 7th (mid table) that season.

[@lfcspectre4335]

Like Rene going to make a difference in the background.

[@benwatkins6513]

He did when he was there u little girl

[@joekavanagh7171]

He was good enough for Sir Alex

[@haatpraat2993]

Living in the Netherlands myself, the way Meulensteen speaks English is typical of the way many Dutch people who hang out with Brits all the time speak English - its like an English accent you just can't place.

[@mensstyle7282]

For the people who say Moyes should have been given more time. I'll say this. David Moyes failed at United for multiple reasons- gutting the backroom staff, alienating the players (listen to Evra, Rio, Vidic etc), lacking sufficient tactical nous, having a small club mentality with some of the clangers he said in pre and post match interviews like 'we strive to be like City' and thinking he could do it all himself without delegating, playing an awful style football with no clear pattern of play which confused the players (again listen to ex players interviews who talk about this), dithering and messing up in the transfer market where he cancelled the Thiago transfer that was already in place and ended up signing Fellani for more money on the last day of the window when he could have signed him for a few million less a few weeks earlier by activating the release clause. The list goes on. The man was a disaster zone and completely out of his depth. There is a reason Utd were 7th when he got the chop. Had he stayed he would have ruined the club even more. What exactly has Moyes proven since? Sacked from Sociedad and West Ham the first time round after almost getting both teams relegated. Relegated Sunderland. OK he returned to West Ham and he won a the equivalent of the League Cup in Europe last season but that's not the champions league or even the Europa league. It's a tin cup and that's all he's ever won in 25 years of management. His teams always play boring defensive football. His strikers never seem to be prolific because of how he sets teams up with this set up to not lose mentality. He is also on the verge of being sacked from West Ham again. I respect what he did at Everton but some people go over the top about what he did there. He was there for years and slowly improved them on a tight budget. However, although he was praised for this (a little too much at times) there have been smaller clubs since like Swansea, Brentford etc on a much smaller budget who employed managers that played more attacking, progressive football that had successful seasons. Even Pullis at Stoke and Dyche at Burnley is comparable to what Moyes did. Although those 2 played dire football, Stoke and Burnley had smaller budgets than Everton and those 2 managers kept the club in the league for years and even overachieved in a couple of seasons qualifying for Europe. OK Moyes cemented Everton's place in league but so has everyone else that has managed that club as they still haven't been relegated. What Moyes did at Everton wasn't some miracle or anything like some people claim. It's not like Everton were knocking on the door of top 4 every season. Moyes overachieved at Everton in a couple of seasons but couldn't keep that up and even when in the one season he qualified for the champions league he got dumped out of the competition in the qualifying round. Look at how well Martinez initially did at Everton when he took over from Moyes and improved the style of play. In terms of managerial ability and reputation Moyes is in the same category as Big Sam, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce etc . That's nothing to be sniffed at but he is nowhere near being good enough for a top club.

[@MrGts92]

In all that bible passage you seem to miss the fact that older players needed to be moved on quick, as they were way past it, injury prone and useless, Evra already tried to leave before Moyes and got mugged by Woodward.. Kroos, Thiago and Cesc were promised then the board fcuked up and he didn't want Fellaini or Mata. The only things that land squarely on Moyes was his tactics and handling of interviews. But it's a total lie to say he wanted Fellaini. He also said no to Pogba.

[@mensstyle7282]

​@@MrGts92 You're moaning about a bible passage but your reply is 2 paragraphs long 😂Anyway, you've picked 2 things out of all the points I've raised as a counter argument as to why Moyes should be given more time. Lets address those shall we. 1. You claim some of the older players needed moving on quick because they were old. injury prone and useless. I never stated otherwise. I said he alienated the dressing room which is fact based on what some ex players have revealed in interviews since leaving the club. E.g. Asking Vidic to watch videos of Phil Jagielka to become a better defender. The older players such as Rio, Vidic, Evra etc had a big influence on the dressing room at the time and were helping manage it to keep standards high. As a manager you need players with character like this around the place for leadership and you need them on your side. As Moyes rubbed the senior players up the wrong way he was a dead man walking. If it was Moyes' aim to get rid of them as they weren't in his plans then he went about it the wrong way. 2. You said the board messed messed up the Cesc, Thiago and Kroos signings and its a total lie stating Moyes wanted Fellani. Firstly, I never stated in my original comment whether Moyes did or didn't want Fellani so you are the one telling total lies claiming I said things which I didn't. You don't seem to be able to read properly. I said, as shown above, Moyes was dithering in the transfer market and ended up signing him for money money in the last few minutes on deadline day after his release cause expired earlier in the summer when he could have been purchased cheaper. As you are the one bringing up the topic of Moyes not wanting Fellani, where have you got that information from? If that was the case why did Moyes put in a joint bid for both Fellani and Baines earlier in the summer ..hmmm. Yeah the board messed up with Cesc i agree with you on that. Shades of Frankie De Jong. But don't bring Kroos into it, that was a summer 2014 target which didn't go through as Moyes had been sacked by then and Van Gaal took over. As for Thiago, it famously didn't happen as Moyes claimed he didn't know enough about him. Fergie had already lined it up and it just needed the finishing touches to the deal and Thiago was texting Rio asking him what's going on as he wants to join. Rio said in an interview that he asked Moyes about it and his response at the time was they were looking at a couple of other players and deals were being worked on for them. Shocking stuff. Moyes also earned the nickname 'Dithering Dave' by Everton fans due to his uncertainty and overly cautious approach in the transfer market when he was the Toffees manager. So I'd suggest you get your facts straight and stop putting words in my mouth before you call me out again.

[@MrGts92]

@@mensstyle7282 erm 2 passages that a are significantly less than one your one sentence 😂😂😂👌🏽

[@Jonathanlenthang]

Mourinho was the right one when sir Alex retired.

[@CEO786]

Very good decision from Moyes ❤

[@jacobfield4848]

Sir Alex Ferguson made Mick Phelan, Brian Kidd, Steve Mclaren, Carlos Queiroz and Rene Meulensteen look good. Without Fergie they were not good coaches.

[@thomasmckeever1944]

And now he’s dismantling West Ham

[@joshp2354]

“Don’t worry, David. Do as we say and you’ll find your place”. Always thought Moyes ballsed it up bringing his Everton staff but if your new coaches said that to you, wouldn’t you rather have people who listened and respected you?

[@craig1669]

Anybody who was around the club when moyes took over knows. Our entire decline is purely down to moyes coming in and ripping up everything that made us successful behind the scenes. All the little details it took sir alex 27 years to perfect. The coaches, the scouts, the food, the training, and so many other things. Instead of coming in and learning from rene and mick, he said right lads, this is how i did it at everton.

[@joshuacullen3217]

What's he done since he left Utd like? Anything worthwhile?

[@69LDW]

Always going to fail with Glazers in charge

[@jackbartrem]

You have to put some of the blame on SAF too. Fancy thinking Moyes could do a job at Utd. 🤯

[@dreamvillasmarbella]

That´s a damning statement and one i´m not surprised about being a West Ham supporter

[@kbcaps]

He was so beefed up by the idea that he was “handpicked” by Fergie who probably and deliberately handed him a poisoned chalice that his ego got the better of him! Fergie himself told him to keep things as is at the club but sadly for us and for him, he was never the right man for the job! His ego blinded him as to his ability to do the job!

[@guywilliamallison688]

Moyes was dreadful at Sunderland also. Not sure how he is still at West Ham.

[@mooreyezowt152]

Moyes is a stubborn and limited man.

[@adamdowling1700]

That was a big mistake looking back. A big clear out of a team that had only had success. Why?

[@AnthonyWhitewwfilms]

Jim White constantly looking around at his producer smiling is irritating as F***.

[@deividas_kimontas]

Moyes will get sacked at West Ham! 😅

[@sallahudinmehuddin8046]

Based on what he said there, united absolutely justified in sacking moyes.

[@Tomherbs]

In Fairness to Moyes, DeGea improved under coach Steve Round