David Platt’s Hypocrisy, Economies Destroyed By Feminism, & The “Poverty Gospel”

[@maxmustermann1206]

My mom was a stay-at-home mom. My dad worked 2 jobs up until I was in middle school. He was a teacher during the day, and had another part-time job at nights/weekends and during the summer. My parents raised 4 kids on my dad's income.

[@dillonanderson7758]

I'm 31, thankfully when first married at 20 I promised my wife I would provide for her to stay at home, she wanted to work but a year later when we had our first son she quit her job working as a bank teller. I picked up 2 extra part-time jobs and barely saw my son his first year. We still talk about it. I would wake up at 4:30am to get to work at 6 be home about 11pm and she would want to spend time with each other, we would play Uno till 1 or 2. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. God blessed it. We now have 3 healthy children, no debt, I work 1 job (as an associate pastor at a baptist church), and my wife has not worked for a man other than her husband since. Budgeting helps. Sacrifice is key. God is required. But it is possible, and we are much happier.

[@LucianaPelota]

Yes! "Radical" is a terrible book, and you are absolutely right about Platt and feminism. GOD bless you, Pastor Joel.

[@brettmagnuson8318]

Good stuff brother! I like how you have helped guys understand that they can ease into this goal of their wives working at home and keeping the home.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Great message! We need to keep focused on doing the right thing, in the right way.

[@billyjsteinbach]

I’ve never heard anyone who sounds more like a Pharisee than this man. Good news gracious.

[@cryptojihadi265]

I've never read a commentor so engulfed in his feminine energy that he gets so triggered about the truth. Oh, wait. The world and the church are full of them. Never mind.

[@arepadetrigo]

"You can't live in a $950,000 house and write the book Radical". Should be on a t-shirt!

[@john14_63]

With respect you may want to research more and see how and where he lives before you throw stones.

[@adrianpasillas3832]

Illogical...

[@akaJackLugar]

Truth!!!

[@akaJackLugar]

Platt= phony. Was obvious to me while listening to him at T4G

[@chuckpodruchny6048]

AMEN ❤️

[@patrickc3419]

Joel, (or honestly anyone else, as well) I don’t know if you will agree with this or not, but it seems like such a tragic, unbiblical irony that, many if not most Generation Xers & older Millennials are far more biblically and theologically discerning than nearly any baby boomer/“senior saint”. They should be correcting and teaching us, not the other way around! (Titus 2:6-8, Job 12:12, etc). I can’t tell you how many times I will hear from that demographic how they love TBN, the 700 Club, Christianity Today, Billy Graham, John Hagee, Charles Stanley, etc., then when my wife or I try to mention or suggest Banner of Truth, Table Talk, Voddie Baucham, Steve Lawson, Paul Washer, they don’t have a clue what we are talking about..It seems as if they were of the generation where if you were Catholic, just receive all of the sacraments, and you’re all set; if you were Protestant just “say the sinner’s prayer, and you’re all set. 😒

[@robertmog4336]

Right! I second this as a baby boomer myself who was an atheist in the sex, drugs, rock & roll era. It's not a coincidence that society destroying feminism came along the heels of hippie "Jesus" theology. You young Christians are awesome, precisely because you have to be. I wish I could give your comment more thumbs up than one. Very good discernment. BTW, today I preach, including on the streets, against the watered down teachings you mentioned, antinomianism, Savior but no Lord, carnal churchianity. And the churches despise me too, especially the Biblical conservative pro-life churches that turned a blind eye to the slaughter of innocents in their midst and on their watch. The Lord bless you for your excellent comment!

[@robertmog4336]

PS. I might like to add David Wilkerson to your fine list. His sermon on Anguish is outstanding. I'm sorry. I meant to add Leonard Ravenhill as well. Senior moments, LOLOL.

[@patrickc3419]

@@robertmog4336 Thank you for your ministry, sir! 5 Solas from upstate New York 🙏

[@michaellautermilch9185]

I agree with your comment 99%. I reserve the remaining 1% because it is a lot easier to point out the wrongs of others than to see the blind spots of sound Christians in our own generation (I'm speaking as a millennial). Never forget 1 Cor 10:12. But at the same time, it is fair to point out that the past generations of Christians fell short badly.

[@patrickc3419]

@@michaellautermilch9185 No, I agree with you.

[@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454]

Amen God bless 👍

[@gloriateff9071]

Excellent points

[@chiefofsinners5272]

Hopeful hearing this guy sort out the existence we've twisted into a punitive pretzel.

[@landonthompson1689]

Good work bringing your wife home brother! Good points in the message too about wealth. I think there's a big opportunity with postmil/theonomist guys to teach men how to pick a career/skills/businesses that pay well.

[@thatdevindavis]

Love David Platt, love the book "Radical." What a blessing his ministry has been to my life.

[@ApollosHagman_17]

Anecdotal evidence is hardly an argument. My Dad's faith was legitimately helped by C.S. Lewis, should that lessen our concern about Lewis' hatred of the God of scripture?

[@donawyo]

I think kids need mom home almost as much when they are 12 and up, at least my daughter did!

[@RTFLDGR]

thank you

[@kurtk8926]

May I remind you pastor that taxes are much higher than in precious years. My dad used to support a wife and 3 kids wir $5 per hour in 1965.....

[@cryptojihadi265]

Actually, taxes were higher. 70% was the highest income tax bracket in 1965. Granted, that was for income over $200K, but even at just $16K it was 28%. It wasn't until Reagan came along that he dropped it to 50% and then 28% just as he left office. The problem is twofold. Doubling the work force both lowered wage pressure and increased inflation. A double whammy. No wonder, it's damn near impossible to pull it off on one income. Right now, only about the top 10 to 15% can even have a chance of doing it. But even those that make six figures, are many times in locations where the cost of housing is so insane, 6 figures it difficult to pull it off. Those that can do it on less than 6 figures are usually living in much smaller midwest or southern communities where the cost of living is much lower.

[@ModernSouthernBelle]

Single Moms are able to provide for a household but feminism wants us to believe that grown men can’t make enough to provide for their families. 🙃 More women would be able to stay at home if they were willing to downgrade in lifestyle.

[@artemthetrain14]

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts on Dave Ramsey

[@cryptojihadi265]

Not a fan. He's good at one thing. Helping people create budgets and giving helpful tips on those addicted to spending. Other than that, most of his financial advice is crap, and the relationship advice is even worse.

[@blakelewis857]

Hope everyone is well and blessed! think I missed the Scripture reference(s) being focused on here. Where we at?

[@Bhope07]

They weren’t more frugal, I’ve looked into the history. They got houses, land, inheritance from father to son passed down all the way till around 1920s… when Feminism hit. The wife got the inheritance, and the wealth got distributed to the worship of the wife. Sons were the inheritance beneficiary till feminism.

[@ravikeller9626]

How expensive was the house Platt lived in when he actually wrote Radical?

[@john14_63]

You all should be ashamed of yourselves for judging Platt in this way. I challenge you to come to the area where he lives, see how he lives, and see if YOU even remotely handle the money God has given you as well as Platt does. I can assure you he isn’t exactly living well above the average family that is in his area. I’ve lived in Northern VA for 30 years and his house is modest compared to most here. Focus on judging yourselves people. Take the log out of your own eyes.

[@oneluv66]

The argument that feminism is the reason women work and don’t stay at home is silly. Plenty of women would prefer to stay home raise kids etc, but it’s the demands and desire of our economy, desire for wealth and material niceties and not mere necessities that’s more the cause here. I also not trying to suggests there something morally wrong with woman working, one benefit of this shift, it has forced some men to be present in the lives of their children, since they share in taking care of them in ways they could avoid doing so in the past.

[@dhuffman1]

Brother, I am a Bible preaching, Gospel celebrating pastor as well. Thankful for many things you say, however your dealing with other pastors like David Platt is both flippant and unhelpful. I despise the poverty gospel as you do, however your approach to Radical is simplistic at best. I name names from the pulpit too… but be careful and selective. Platt is on the same team even if we disagree with certain things. His book is not the reason we are in the mess we are in.

[@mistahoward9772]

No pastor needs a 950K dollar home, though. Come on, wake up.

[@conceptualclarity]

Platt has only gotten worse since Radical and he's really woke now and he has really shown himself to be a bully within the church into which he has introduced divisiveness.

[@davidhuffman7550]

@@mistahoward9772 I agree with the sentiment, but its not that simple. Not really sure where your statement came from. But In most cases that is right! However in some cities where the market is high, a 950k home is very modest. For instance Francis Chans home while in Simi Valley was incredibly modest but over a million dollars. I do not fault him in that. If it was extravagant then that's a different story. Furthermore, 950k in Brooklyn would only get you a studio apartment at best, again why a pastor I know has a condo that is near 1.75m but is more modest than the majority around. If a pastor however would have a 1million home somewhere the economy isn't as high, then that's a problem. We must be careful not to paint with such broad brush.

[@davidhuffman7550]

@@conceptualclarity That may be, and some of the trend of some pastors is dangerous and discouraging. But again he is on the same team. Pray for and correct teaching but to throw out everything he teaches is silly and foolish.

[@conceptualclarity]

@@davidhuffman7550 when I spoke of him as "a bully within the church" I meant a bully within his local church. I should have articulated it more clearly. I am not conscious of throwing away everything he teaches. If indeed he teaches nothing good at all anymore, he would be worse than I am imagining him. For me when a minister's net impact upon the body of Christ is negative rather than positive he's a false teacher. Take Russell Moore for example. I think he's a quintessential false teacher. He has succeeded in moving the church in an erroneous direction in many areas. He has spent an enormous amount of time playing to the enemies of the church, his buddies in the liberal press, vilifying good Christians, frankly Christians better than himself. What has he really brought in a positive way? Undoubtedly he has said many things that are true and accurate. But is he making any positive contribution that would be missed if he had been absent? I don't think so. He speaks just enough orthodoxy to keep himself from being rejected and becoming a much less prosperous fellow.

[@tedkijeski339]

So, if Pastor Joel had his druthers under a theonomic order, would he promote laws that allow employment discrimination based on sex and family status? Would it be legal to pay a married man with a family a higher salary than a single woman--or even to discriminate in hiring such that the married man is more likely or certain to be hired over a single woman?

[@paulb7974]

Biblical reference? Or Strawman?

[@tedkijeski339]

@@paulb7974 Sorry?

[@paulb7974]

@@tedkijeski339 I don’t know where the Bible commands the government or individual Christians to do such things within your scenarios. Sounds like a strawman argument to me.

[@tedkijeski339]

@@paulb7974 Well, let's see what their response is.

[@jeannet7443]

What is your concern?