Giant Defy Advanced Pro 4 month Review: The Best Endurance Road Bike in 2024?

[@aithney]

I recently bought Defy and it's the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. I find it to be a sweet spot between comfortable and aggressive. More stretched, and it would not be comfortable enough for long rides. More upright, and I would feel like I have a parachute. 32mm tires also handle bumpy roads way better than my old 28mm and I feel more safe on downhills. In my eyes it's a perfect bike.

[@jamespham888]

Sorry to clarify did you mean, it would be comfortable for long rides or not be comfortable for long rides as you wrote down

[@JMise]

The non-pro version has the same frame, but a normal round steerer tube. The cables are routed externally below the stem, should allow better compatibility with aftermarket stems. The price differences might vary a bit dependent on the market, but 105 with or without DI2 is surely a better value than the equivalent pro-version.

[@A.K.Kopperud]

Really appreciate all these thoughtful videos. Thanks for doing them! Just bought a new Giant Defy Advanced Pro 1 and excited to enjoy all the new advances. Last bike I bought was in 2011! :)

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

Thanks David. Great impartial review, which is greatly appreciated. Keep the honest reviews coming.

[@davidarthur]

Thanks, will do!

[@markrae7664]

I bought one in March and i absolutely love it. It’s a real joy to ride. Love your reviews 👍

[@davidarthur]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@maccaattack101]

The Defy Adv Pro 1 is the sweet spot, I agree with DA, I have had PressFit BB on TCRs, Defy and Revolt and have had no issues....no creeks......also I understand that there is a lot a hate for Hookless....but you only hear the negative and at that, not much... I have ran hookless on 4 bikes and no issues, just keep within the parameters and you are good.

[@joannadoyle-mellor1542]

Great review Dave. I have a 2017 Defy which I love. Upgraded everything apart from the frameset. SLR wheels and bars and stem and 105 Di2. Would love the extra clearance but can’t justify almost £5k for the equivalent new model. I’m hoping Giant are reading these comments as I would love to buy a new Defy frameset but for some reason they have never been offered in the UK. For the 2025 models please consider offering the Adv Pro as a frameset in a neutral colour. Cheers.

[@shorterdanny]

in the same boat

[@scottwatson7844]

Agree completely, I’ve been nagging my local Giant dealer for a Defy SL frame set for ages yet they just can’t get one.

[@ianmiller4393]

Thanks for another good video David. I've had a Defy for 4 years now and no regrets. Good bike and still fast enough for those club rides.

[@SlickSniper3]

Agreed. I'm still running my 2019 defy advanced 2 /w 105. Only change made was to conti gp500 32mm tyres. I keep up just fine with advanced group riders. All in the motor baby!

[@daveelliott7869]

After watching this video and for the first time ever I purchased a Giant! I'm a Spesh guy and I have a Sworks Tarmac / Creo Sl and Roubaix. And I have to say what a bike. I found that this sits right in the middle of all three spesh bikes. It's lively and racy and when out the saddle it feels really good unlike my Roubaix which feels a bit wobbly and dull. Compared to the tarmac it is 70% there but with the comfort and more relaxed fit of the Giant it means i can ride it all day without coming home broken 😂. The tarmac is aggressive and highly responsive race bike! I went for the Pro Advanced 1 (White/Black) with 105 Di2. My open gripe was the 11-36 cassette seemed over kill and very heavy. So I'm swapping that out for a Ultegra 11-34 or 11-30 and the stock tyres which felt a bit draggy so again I'm likely to change them to Conti GP5000S TR 30mm Other than that, the brakes and shifting are excellent and overall I'm very happy with the bike and the awesome service from Pedal On.

[@mitchymenis]

How have you been getting on with this bike? I ride a Tarmac and looking for something more relaxed for longer sportives but that can be pushed when i want to. Deciding between this or the Aethos with more spacers under the stem.

[@intaaudio]

@@mitchymenis I'm very happy with it. I changed the tires to GP5000s TR 30mm running 55F/65R psi and the cassette to Ultegra 11/34 and now it's bang on. For me, it sits some between a dull Roubiax and a racy tarmac. win-win

[@amritv6889]

@@intaaudio why didn’t you go with 28 mm GP 5000 ? Why 30 mm ? Any specific reason ?

[@daveelliott7869]

​@amritv6889 The tyres that came off were 32mm and if I could I would have fitted the 32mm GP5000S TR but they are not supported by Giant. So I went for the 30mm. On the rolling resistance website there was .5 or a watt between the 28/30mm! The 30mm allows me to run a lower pressure and in return more comfort.

[@romanutd]

Got mine in August and thrilled with it.

[@supercoder7]

I would recommend the Giant Revolt Avdnaced Pro 1 2023 for more comfort rather than a Specialized Roubaix or Trek Domane. Cheaper overall (3200 for SRAM Rival 2x, Carbon wheelset and SL grade carbon frame) and more comfortable with tire clearance upto 53mm and plenty of bosses for all purposes.

[@wildsurfer12]

I’ve had a Defy for the last 3 years, I’ve enjoyed riding it so much that I’ve bought another one!

[@vberga]

Just replaced my old Roadmachine by a Defy and used your videos to help deciding. Thanks for sharing

[@davidarthur]

Glad I could help

[@damiandamian159]

How does Defy perform in terms of speed?

[@vberga]

@@damiandamian159 I’m quite happy about it. I’ve switched the tires to a pair of Conti 5000 STR which are one of the fastest tires in the market and I feel it’s slightly faster than my old bike. Of course the handlebars and seat post are not as thin as a race bike like the TCR or any other modern race bikes but it definitely worth the trade off for comfort if you are not a racer. It has enough performance to participate on Gran Fondo events. I was looking for something between performance and comfort and this bike is the sweet spot.

[@vberga]

@@damiandamian159 You can always swap handlebars for the giant competition ones and work on a bike fit to put yourself in a more aggressive position on the bike over time.

[@damiandamian159]

@@vberga Sounds encouraging, thank you for your answer. I'm looking for something to race from time to time, but I mainly ride alone, sometimes on longer routes, so I would like something on the border between race/endurance. Have you tried Canyon Endurance? Both Defy and Canyon seem to fit into the above-mentioned pattern.

[@thierrysf]

Giant have completely lost their ways. It used to be a value brand as David mentioned. Paying well over £5,000 for this bike is absurd. It is just not worth it. One serious alternative would be Van Rysel (aka Decathlon), which has recently emerged as one of the few true value brands left. The problem is that most of their bikes are out of stock all the time because they are so cheap compared to brands like Giant.

[@PolyglotBikepacker]

Truly agree here: I bought a fact 11 specialized Crux for 2700 euro in 2021, New from the shop with a big discount because nobody wanted 1x11 anymore. I upgraded the components with deals on Force Cx1 and praxis zayante carbon crank and aeolus 3v wheels. Even with all these upgrades I stayed well under 5000 euro. Prices today are ridiculous, for many brands not just giant. Not looking to buy a new specialized for the next few years either.

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

Crux is a great bike. Super light. I like the new bubble gum pink frame! Would like it on sale to then build it up with L-Two.

[@stevekelly6544]

They do offer less expensive builds in this model

[@RookYZRM1]

@@stevekelly6544these guys don’t want to hear that, they just want to whine about stuff they can’t afford.

[@droppedontheclimb7019]

The equivalent Van Rysel is the RCR Pro, which is £5,500.

[@martindickens2917]

Used to be able to get a lot of bike for under £2k. Not anymore. Disk brakes, Di2 and manufacturers being out of touch with customer needs have changed the landscape massively in a relatively short timeframe. Definitely time for the industry to reset.

[@Ian-H76]

So in summary David, if you could only have one or the other, the defy or the TCR?

[@GiuseppeVironda]

Bought same model after your reviews. Quite happy so far. Thanks

[@davidarthur]

Nice glad you are enjoying it so far :)

[@ScurvyMcGruff]

If Giant sold these with hooked rims I would've bought one. Having to replace expensive wheels on a brand new bike is a deal breaker for me.

[@richiejames928]

6k for the tyres to peel off the hookless rims when cornering. thanks but no thanks.

[@davidarthur]

Except the tyres didn't peel off in 4 months and some Enve and Zipp wheels I've been riding for several years have been faultless...

[@meinards5614]

I have bike this is best i ever had! Awesome bike, fast but the same way comfortable.

[@vandal_ross]

I bought a Vitus Venon EVO-RS last year and couldn't be happier with the bike... I'm devastated that Wiggle don't stock Vitus and Prime parts anymore.

[@jonm8423]

Advanced 1 Pro is maybe the sweet spot? Di2 plus carbon wheels, circa £3800

[@Countrystock]

Agree and the colour scheme looks stunning, just a shame the Wheelset are hookless

[@jonm8423]

That’s a sticking point….I was considering the next model down but the nice metallic blue is SRAM which I’m not sure about. The 105 di2 is a charcoal colour and not quite as nice.

[@l.d.t.6327]

I would take the cheapest DI2 with standard wheels and upgrade the wheels to something hooked.

[@StephanieHughesDesign]

The good thing about the Defy is the tire clearance it offers for an all terrain bike. However, if i was to choose any of Giant's bikes it would always have to be the TCR. I have owned one and yes, whilst they are not all terrain the TCR Advanced 2 is the best road bike I have ever ridden. TCR naturally gets you into an aero position. I notice that prices of the TCR/Defy Advanced have increased significantly of late too.

[@simonf2220]

Great review David, as usual! How does it compare with the 2025 TCR you rode recently? If you had to choose one, which would it be?

[@MiataBRG]

Really good review free of the usual bike channel nonsense 👍

[@davidarthur]

Thanks! 👍

[@eis_baer918]

so true! that is really consumer advice ;-)

[@robbijay]

Excellent review. 2 big questions I’m interested in: 1. How does it stack up ‘endurance/comfort’ wise against the old one (bit of a Giant fan boy having had a 2012 Defy and currently have a 2019). 2. How are you finding dry roads in Gloucestershire?! I’m fed up with with getting soaked even with mudguards! 😅

[@jmp206]

Hey David, thanks for the video! would you say the bike is tangibly more comfortable than the Propel/TCR? you mention at the end that the difference isn't so big, so why not ride a TCR or Propel even if its not for racing? would a Propel with 30mm tires be comfortable enough for everyday riding? Thanks!

[@PedroPrego]

The propel/TCR has 13mm lower stack and 8mm longer reach for the same size 54. This for me makes a huge difference.

[@simondavis697]

Having witnessed 6 Hookless tyres blowing off others rims during Summer months; despite perfect recommended PSI’s, there’s no way I’d touch them!

[@mark_nz]

I've got the 2022 advanced pro 1 defy with giant hookless carbon rim. NEVER had a problem they have been flawless - just need to make sure your tyres are compatible and hookless rated (Conti GP5000 TR).

[@simondavis697]

@@mark_nz Great advice to all Mark, stay safe out there fella. 👍

[@amritv6889]

@@mark_nz i am planning to buy 2024 giant defy advanced pro 1 model and as you may know it comes with Giant Gavia Fondo 1, tubeless, 700x32c. If I were to upgrade these tubeless tyres with hookless rated Conti GP5000 TR, what size of tyres should I go for ? Please advise .. thanks

[@vberga]

@@amritv6889 You need to look for the Conti GP5000 S TR. I run it on 30 and it's amazing. If you ride a lot of off road you can go wider but for tarmac 30s will do it perfectly. BTW I'm running hookless for 2 years now and never had a problem. I just wonder if people hating hookless is the same of what happened when the industry switched to disc brakes

[@tonyg3091]

Lovely bike. Main problem is the gorgeous looking SL frameset is total unobtanium and I do not like the stock versions

[@lucamuller6729]

I‘m a bit confused wthese three videos are the only ones about this version. All others just did the usual „Its stiffer lighter yadiyadiya, costs 1000€ less with only 12000€, so its cheap compared to spezi“ thanks for that. As others mentioned, the advanced pro 1 would be interesting as well, cheers

[@jasonlevitt]

Both EXS and Farsports offer an integrated handlebar for OD2.

[@claudiolima224]

It's a D shape fork steerer, so not compatible

[@jasonlevitt]

@@claudiolima224 The D shape has no effect on compatibility because there are wedge spacers available for this arrangement.

[@Yimchifung]

exs is good choice

[@jordge92]

Ah yes, £6k, a bargain

[@PolyglotBikepacker]

STILL CHEAPER THAN THE DACIA DUSTER 😂

[@jordge92]

@@PolyglotBikepacker 😂😂😂

[@adriannash755]

Got mine with 25% off.... plenty of deals

[@Kirkend]

Currently retails at around £4800 or slightly less if you shop around and don’t just settle for Giants RRP.

[@prathaps848]

2x the per capita income in India

[@Kirkend]

Sounds like you are a convert from the TCR Dave as I predicted. I love mine and whilst it might not be the right bike at the right price for everyone, when it comes to bikes it really is each to their own. For me it’s fantastic and Im still thoroughly enjoying it although I do keep it for the slightly better days when the weather plays kind. My one bike gripe would be the sound of the free hub, I can’t get away with freewheeling without drawing attention as it,s pretty loud!😂

[@JackRoyce-c8h]

I would say Giant is one of the best bike companies currently. Yes this bike is expensive but bike prices have gone up like crazy. Plus the bike is really great. For the money you sure as heck are getting a lot of bike

[@puregsr]

Going back to Taiwan in 3 weeks and hopefully can get fitted and a sweet Defy. Don't tell my wife.

[@adamc2579]

Just got mine. Trying to get the set up right coz the cranks are a little longer than my old bike and handlebars a little wider. Shop I bought from wouldn’t change them and because I got it discounted I just went with it. (Replacement bars are pricey!) First cpl rides seem good, although coming off a 20 yr old focus is quite a leap. Struggling to get used to staring at a fat tyre 😂

[@chrism5433]

Good day . I bought a 2023 trek emonda alr5 nice 105 group set . The stock Bontrager r1 tires not great . But very puncture proof through winter dry days lol. I'm curious why this bike doesn't seem to popular.is just because other good bike out there or $, I seems to roll pretty good .give me the good bad and ugly lol.great channel.🍺🚲🍺

[@davidjohnstone4975]

In Canada, this bike is $7500, The Canyon Endurace CF SLX8 is $6750 ... Seems like better value with the Canyon for me.

[@Xzami09]

I just ordered a giant defy ad pro 0. 🙏 although I also like the TCR 😅

[@JamSa85]

Did you have any trouble with the bolts for the mudguard mounts, the bolts I got with my sks mudguards are so tight it sounds like the fork will crack if I screw them in any further

[@michaeldaniel5640]

Great bike reviews.

[@bendewet9449]

Hi David, thanks for all your critical and concise reviews! Quick question, how does stiffness at the BB and responsiveness compare between the Defy and Propel? THX.

[@paulw677]

I have this bike, ridden almost 5,000km. Love it. I changed the tyres to Conti GP 5000 30mm and they are far better and (feel) faster than the Giant Fondo stock tyres.

[@MrVikingdane]

just picked up my advanced pro 0 and was thinking the same thing.... little more aero with the wheel set too ?

[@eiriksvensen864]

Will this bike fit non giant mudguards like pdw or kinesis fend off?

[@amritv6889]

@David, would appreciate if you can share the information about the bike computer (garmin edge model ?), make of rear bike light and make of saddle bag. As you get a better value for your money, I think, it would make sense to buy 2024 Giant Defy Advanced Pro 1 (Unicorn color) then Pro 0 ? What are your thoughts on that ?

[@JamesDownes]

Buying a defy today!. Please tell me about the mudguard extensions, how?

[@davidarthur]

They are available from Giant 👍

[@yarly3180]

$ 6700 for bike without an electro motor is 'mid range'? lol 🤪 Paid like $ 550 for a hybrid Giant Toughroad in 2018, it even has hydraulic disc brakes. Nowadays I need to pay > $ 1500 for a bike with hydraulic disc brakes. They need to sent anti-trust authorities to investigate these prices 😶

[@Helsinki9]

How do you compare this Defy to the older model Cannondale SYNAPSE you had for a long-term review (I think it was 12months or so)? DO you think its better, faster, lighter etc... Thank you

[@vberga]

Do you know why they don't offer any SRAM models besides the high end one? I've also looked for stores in EU and I can't find neither the bike or just the frameset, maybe they are just preparing the 2025 versions?

[@Jon_Drew]

How does the Cervelo Caledonia stack up to this bike?

[@cricanwa]

It's not available anywhere.

[@JuanSerradelaFuente]

In terms of sizing you are ridinng M-L. Isnt it a bit over sized? do you prefer it for any reason?

[@ErikBergshoeff]

Currently looking for a new bike from my 2012 Kuota Kharma and I'm extremely doubting between the Defy Advanced Pro 1 and the new TCR Advanced Pro 1, which have similar components and price. Intended use will be (training for) gran fondos and group rides, but I'm also thinking about racing some crits and maybe some light gravel riding as well. What would be your advice having ridden both bikes? Many thanks in advance!

[@GregorKratochwill-Pichler]

Super Test but please test a Wilier again what about the Rave slr ist a good alternative?

[@martinowitsch4994]

Hi David, you´ve used the Size M/L for the bike. May I ask for your size? Should give me some orientation for the frameset I intend to buy. Many thanks in advance, Martin

[@davidarthur]

Hi, I'm 181cm tall. Hope that helps

[@martinowitsch4994]

@@davidarthur Absolutely. Many greetings from the Black Forest, Martin

[@kalleblomkvist4173]

what mudguards are theese?

[@andrewbulloch]

Interested to know what tools/software you use to overlay your sensor data onto video. I used to use Garmin’s software with the Virb camera but after two failed I switched to Cyqlic. Thanks. I have a previous generation Defy Advanced Pro - 10,000-ish faultless miles so far. 👍

[@davidarthur]

Check out my review of the Insta360 Ace Pro from a few weeks ago, that's the camera that lets you overlay Garmin data

[@andrewbulloch]

@@davidarthur Thanks, just watched the review. Looks ace 👍

[@neilwheel]

Would changing the stem require dismantling the brakes?

[@johnnnewmex]

Giant has always set the bar for affordable performance.

[@martynjones9496]

Woukd you say the zipp303s are a much better wheel than the slr1s on that bike? Cheers

[@niklaskristensson2231]

Nice video + good looking bike. Sick to be considered a bargain - but it is...if U are stupid enough to buy new bikes...❤

[@georgetabacco5379]

I believe your sincerity in your fondness of giant defy and others , but too too much promotion for them !!!

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

Ha, have fun with the insta360. Are you using one of the Xs or the GOs?

[@davidarthur]

Using the new X4 atm

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

@@davidarthur Been playing around with a GO 3. Really good fun. Chest is probably the best place to mount a camera. The mag pendent works fabulously without me having to wear a full chest harness. The only downside is that the setup seems to only work for winter clothing. The summer jersey just doesn’t provide enough tension to hold the camera in place (or at least you can’t have jersey open). The resulting footages have these jerks that it is even too much for the fantastic stabilising algorithm.

[@rommelreyes2209]

Please do a review of the Polygon Aelios A8x

[@VonckK]

I wonder if the color of the giant logo goes to purple?

[@gary094]

That's a mid range defy. I was looking at the Defy Advanced 2 as my purchase. I guess it's considered to be the low end of the series.

[@niranlh]

Would I be correct in saying it’s similar to a Bmc Roadmachine I suppose. Where’s the frame only option for this or the Roadmachine? That would make it more interesting for me, if you can get a TCR frameset then why not the Defy? Any word from Giant UK

[@niranlh]

Can’t in the UK unfortunately

[@zazzleman]

Stupid crankset sizes for the frame sizes as usual.

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

1-piece cockpit OD2 will tidy it up: Exs Farsport Avian Canary & Falcon 240g, 270g They send adapters too. It’s not that much more comfort. There’s better with the BMC. It’s over priced. Just buy a TCR Adv. Pro & add 32mm tires. Comfort is still proven best for fastest in British roads. Whose kidding to tell me they are needing that that few watts faster tire when we aren’t Pro teams.

[@claudiolima224]

It's a D shape fork steerer, so not compatible

[@taosanwu]

​Giant D-shaped OD Aero steerer does work fine with regular round-shape OD2 stem without any adaption, as their new one-piece CADEX Aero handlebar is advertised as compatible with both regular OD2 and D-shaped OD Aero steerer, though their much lighter one-piece CADEX Race handlebar is D-shaped only.

[@cosbro5389]

Slightly ,slightly, slightly ! just put a set of training wheels with 32mm tyres on your TCR I say

[@roldo5902]

Is a tcr completly different?

[@michaelpegasiou4531]

No wonder the bike industry is in the shitter with these mad prices.

[@kerrysupporter]

What height are you??

[@MrFalcman]

Bike prices these days are insane. This bike should only cost $3K at the most.

[@davidarthur]

Even though it has carbon everything, an electronic groupset and a dual sided power meter? That's a lot of bike for the money

[@jjquinanola8700]

Nice review david, can you please answer what is the maximum tyre size you can put in the defy. Thanks mate

[@davidarthur]

Thanks, 38mm is the official max tyre clearance

[@finncox23]

David, I know you're not necessarily testing the Power Pro Power Meter in depth, as compared to the bike. However, have you noticed any odd readings with the L/R balance, as some people have noted with some Shimano-based power meters?

[@chrisscott8362]

What is the difference between Advanced and Advanced Pro frame?

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

I'm guessing 1 vs 2 piece fork

[@l.d.t.6327]

Oversized steerer in the pro.

[@JMise]

The frame is identical, only the fork is different. The non-pro version has a standard round 1 1/8" steerer.

[@sikimasio]

How tall are you?

[@TomosWilliams96]

I bought a defy advanced 2 (2022)for £850, got a set of SLR1 wheels and tyres for £500. Essentially a defy advanced pro more or less for a fraction of the price

[@MrFalcman]

I just bought a 2023 Trek Domane AL5. It is aluminum with carbon fork and has 11-speed 105 mechanical group set. For your average everyday cyclist, this is just fine. The bike cost me $1,800 and I upgraded it to carbon wheels for another $1K. That is still less than half what the Defy is in this video, and i think that you would be hard-pressed to say that performance is twice as good as the Domane here.

[@konstantinoslamas8105]

Can someone please comment how this Defy bike goes against the other usual suspects like Canyon , Roubaix and Trek Domane? this is very important question. I only care for relax fit and comfort?

[@davidarthur]

the Defy doesn't have the most relaxed fit you'll be better off with the Roubaix

[@blackbird969]

Someone tried putting 40-42mm tires on that bike?

[@davidarthur]

It maxes out at 38mm so might be tight ;)

[@pawelpiskorski197502]

What kind of fenders do you use? How did you mount the rear fender?

[@davidarthur]

These were Giant mudguards

[@WJReynolds49]

Nice video

[@poppymg1234]

This might be a dumb question but how different is this model from the defy advanced 2, can I take everything he says (more or less) towards that bike too?

[@duodecaquark3186]

Overall, yes, you can apply most what he is saying to that bike. With alloy wheels, the non pro frame, and different seatpost you will lose some of the small bump compliance in the seatpost and lose some of the stiffness in the wheels. It's still a great bike though and those changes are relatively minor.

[@stevenscott7738]

What make are the mud flaps please.? - couldn’t catch it in the video. Thanks.

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

Giant mudguards mate.

[@stevenscott7738]

It was the flaps I was interested in - found them. -Portland Design Works - Condor cycles sell them.

[@davidarthur]

Yup PNW glad you found them

[@Yimchifung]

in china ，defy adv pro2 very cheap，just under 3000$。is the best choice

[@BeaverTerror]

Comes with hookless wheels. Yuck.

[@energylab6277]

why?@@ob1856

[@richiejames928]

£6000 winter bike 😂 imagine.

[@jomomayers5616]

Lmao exactly what I was thinking when he said it. 🤣 👍🏾

[@jorgeduran5138]

❤❤que belleza

[@Bijits2510]

You seem to be cross chaining 😮😮😮, is that ok for this bike?

[@davidarthur]

Yeah it's fine for short periods like over the top of a climb etc

[@vault-boydan4984]

Meh, giant lost it's charm, overpriced as any other bike these days.

[@simonshusse]

mid-range at 6k? Definitely unsubscribing.

[@stevekelly6544]

Buh-bye!

[@simonshusse]

@@ob1856 It's only mid-range price-wise in THEIR line up. This is all the bike you will ever need in the category and spending twice as much won't yield to more than a fraction in performance gain, there's plenty of evidence of this in every major YT-channel. I love bike porn as much as the next cyclist but let's keep it real.

[@boc-tonysyklist2145]

Those bottle cages are hideous.

[@TheSlowCyclist330]

Amish bike lol

[@garagesale5948]

Press Fit BB and Hookless wheels are a non starter.

[@MrFalcman]

The price is the nonstarter for me. This is a friggin bicycle, not a car.

[@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887]

Build your own for £4k that will be alot better than these mainstream rip offs....!!!

[@hyena8385]

Not sure about that.... mass production is the only reason why stuff isn't even more expensive than it is and why something as complicated as the LED TV in ys living room isn't thousands upon thousands more.