H&R 12 GA Buttstock Mods

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[@lesliebrennan3351]

As a former combat veteran, I live in the foothills of Idaho. My dog, my fishing poles, my guns and especially my H&R M48 Topper. I hunt deer to rabbits as well as others games that is in legal season !

[@mossman671]

Dave, really appreciate your input on the H&R shotguns. I have 3 of them in different gauges and have used them since my youth. I still prefer them along with my NEF single shot rifles and Rossi's. I grew up reading about the Ohio and Kaintuck "dark and bloody ground" frontiers and there is just something so appealing about the simplicity and heritage of single shot firearms.Knowing I now have blackpowder capability is tremendous. You are a frontiersman and a great American.

[@kevins1114]

In my NEF single, I have a home-made push button latch installed so I can do the same buttstock trick. I drilled two extra holes in the butt, in one I keep a six inch long rifled chamber adapter for 9mm, and between the other two holes, I keep sixty rounds of 9mm, 115gr hollow point ammo for emergencies. The cordage sling is a great idea - you never know when that will come in handy.

[@hillbillypatriot1]

Just watched this video, very useful information. I just removed my butt plate off my NEF 12 gauge 3 1/2 mag and found out that 3 2 3/4 inch shells fit comfortably completely inside the hole, and was able to put cleaning patches in as well. Thanks Dave for the information.

[@WraithChornobyl]

I love incorporating hemp back into my firearms. Its seed oil is also FANTASTIC for your wood stocks. Beautiful work you have done with yours, I have the long barrel full choke 12g model. Now I need to find a hunting spot in Ohio where I can hunt lawfully.

[@MrKevtmiller]

I have stored in my H&R butstock the following. A .410 adapter with one .410 slug round and two number four .410 rounds, a .22 adapter with 18 rounds of .22lr, a ferro rod, a wetfire tinder and a small three blade pocket knife, some cotton material in between the adapters that can be used for charcloth.

[@Foxer604]

Many people grossly undervalue the single shot shotgun. It's an absolutely amazing tool used properly and still light to carry. Too many people damand a multi shot with all the tacked out toys without realizing that's a pain to carry and unnecessary. Dave shows his real-world practical skills by focusing on the simple single and taking it up a notch. And so affordable. My grandad got a single 16 and kept his family fed with it. I still have his. it's over 100 yrs old and still fetching birds :)

[@keithmarshall007]

Bought my H&R 12 GA today at the gunshow in Orlando. I had already seen all your related videos, so it was an easy choice. The existing hole was wide enough for shells to go all the way in so I put two 00 buck and one slug down there. Can't wait for my next day off.

[@benjamindshoemaker]

Hey Dave I also put a Small fishing kit in the grip of my Glock 23. Glocks have the cavity behind the mag well and I had already purchased the plug for it to keep it in there. Excellent idea for doing that with the Shotgun. Thanks for the information and all the ideas

[@olechuga2]

As always Sir, great ideas. Thank you Sir, for your production of this great video.

[@dannygordon1106]

Just stumbled upon your channel, definitely a new subscriber here. On mine, I took the original butt plate off and changed it out for an A2 butt plate to have the trap door access, and i made a cleaning kit for it. I am definitely going to have to throw in that extra shell in there now. Such an amazingly clever idea.

[@stealthyspider]

I am loving these vids. Keep em comeing Dave.

[@P226nut]

dave, alot of people say that they are awesome, but few actually are, thanks for being one of the few and making great videos like this one and the rest of this series on the H&R 12 gauge.

[@SurvivalHunter88]

only thing I would do is that center hole for that stock is as long as the stock and get's bigger the closer to the barrel. I would throw a lighter and ferol rod down that and some sort of tinder capsul and put a .22 adapter there, make a square hole for a 50rnd box of .22, then a "last shot" hole.That center hole is longer then anyone think's don't waste the space...Just my thought's on modifying the stock. Awsome vid Dave Keep doing what you do and thank's for the knowledge you give us

[@MrWmburr7]

Thanks for the ideas, Dave.

[@TheColonelSteve]

picked up my 12 ga single shot last Friday from walmart $117. it's a great gun and very well built and very versatile.

[@BornRandy62]

a section of collapseable automobile radio antennae makes a pretty slick quick loader for .22 LR in a tube magazine. It would also make a good storeage tube for extra primer caps that you could store in another hole under the buttstock cover. Or a short section of 1/4 ID copper tubing would probably work also.

[@lawfin60]

Can't wait to see how you finished off the inside of the yurt. What I can see looks awesome!

[@justinwissinger9659]

You Cant Beat An H&R Ive Got a bunch of pump and semi auto shotguns but i always end up grabbing my H&R single shot 12 gauge. Theres just something about that gun that makes me feel prouder when taking a shot at a game animal or a pop can than using a semi auto benelli or an 870 wingmaster. keep it up Dave

[@njzeigler4370]

I did something similar with my 410, I hollowed out the stock and reinforced it with epoxy. Now it has room for 5 410 shells, fire kit, fishing kit, and 1st aid.

[@clinnyboy]

On a Mossberg 22 with synthetic stock I used slotted screws in the buttstock and taped a dime to the stock with duct tape. the dime works to unscrew the buttstock end cap and it's virtually loss proof and the duct tape burns well if I need some tinder.

[@Revole.]

Your videos inspired me to buy my own H&R 12 gauge single shot (I have the Topper model 88) and I found that I can slide 2 to 3 shells in the buttstock if I put them in primer first (so the shot is facing the butt plate). I also found that it's a great gun especially for under $100!

[@MiWilderness]

Those are some nice mods Dave. Everything looks very functional. Thanks!

[@AlienZombieSlayer]

@wildernessoutfitters Dave, ditch the screw on plate and put a Limbsaver or other slip-on recoil pad on there. It’ll hold your gear in the stock, it should keep the water out (if it fits snug as it should) and allow access without the need of a screwdriver.

[@davidcmatt]

I was able to fit 3 shells in my H&R 20 and a plug of steel wool. Thanks for the tip Dave.

[@scottpd1404]

Thanks Dave. Your mind never stops...

[@TraVinhAngel]

Thank you for the video. I like the idea of the sling having multiple uses. I will re-evaluate my sling systems. Most all my shotguns & rifles have butt stock & some with fore grip survival kits in them. Each one is marked with white paint for easy identification of which hold kits. My thoughts on the "extra" shell in the large hole; is that my last shot is always ready in the "barrel". It's never empty. I would take advantage of that large hole for extra items.

[@crashphoenix]

Hey Dave, I've had an NEF for years, and it has space for three 3inch shells plus a little. Seems like the space should be deep enough on yours that if you make the hole just a touch larger the shells should slide all the way in. I have mine loaded with a spare #6 shot and a slug. The 3rd space is used by a small kit that fits in a used hull with wetfire, sparklite, waterproof matches, fishhook and line, single wrapped water purification tablets, aspirin and pepto. Keep up the great vids!

[@YankeeWoodcraft]

Dave, Instead of having to rely on a tool to access the stock's butt for my NEF, I'm going to try to use either thumb screws or something known as a "camera handle screw" which is smaller than the thumb screw at a low profile. It has a fold-down toggle on it and can still be opened with a standard screwdriver as it is also slotted.

[@RockyGully]

Maybe a combination sling with leather and hemp/paracord would also work fine but a bit more fiddly to make.The leather could be used as a strop with the paracord there for obvious uses.I 'm loving this series!

[@bryanbeemer8405]

They make screws and bolts that can be used with BOTH Phillips and Slotted screwdrivers. One set of the Phillips slots or 'x' is cut longer for use with the slotted screwdriver ... best (or worst) of both worlds.

[@Patriot36]

Really great ideas! If you thought it necessary or beneficial to increase your shell storage to 2 or 3 rounds, you could always slightly enlarge the stock bolt access hole by an 1/8" with a spade bit and a drill. Just enough to fit the rim of the shell in without substantially weakening the stock. Still, one shot is enough for getting food if ammo is forgotten at camp or lost.

[@dhippstarr]

I have the suviver stock on my h&r and it holds to much stuff to list as well as 3 shells under the forstock,I have been enjoying the 12 gauge single shot vids,thanks for posting,

[@grayghost1031]

Dave, I put a cheap side saddle ammo carrier on mine around $5. I put three 4 shot rounds and 2 slug. I put an X on top of the Slug rounds so one can easily know what he is grabbing if he needs another round. Good video

[@flyod26]

Very nice Dave, Great Job!

[@redrocco44]

H&R looks good and practical too. Thanks Dave.

[@Waldhandwerk]

Good modifications. Thanks and have a great Weekend, Sepp

[@Ilovetheplatypus]

That thing is great! So close to being an all in one survival tool. You just need to figure out how to get a cutting edge in there somewhere. Maybe make the stock cap out of steel and put an edge on it.

[@cahoonu]

Great idea. I was thinking of cutting a hole in the side of my .22 stock and fitting it with some type of door to store a box of ammo and a fire kit. But as I,m not very confident of doing a good job, it hasn't been done yet. Thanks.

[@tblbaby]

That's some good thinkin man. Nice practical additions that could be very valuable. What's next? 2 fishing pole eye's for shotgun sights front n back & a reel in the stock & a pull out fishing rod tip so you can use it for fishing? lol ... just playin around, those were great practical mods you did. Even really like that rugged look on the sling.

[@wildernesseducation]

Choate Stocks makes a hollow stock and fore end for the H&R shotguns and rifles specifically for storing equipment. It is exactly the same stock that is used in the H&R survivor line of firearms. The stock be found at midwayusa for about $35. It would make a nice addition to you H&R woodsman/survival weapon project if you don't mind that it is made from composite. It also has a thumb screw to access the compartment so you don't need you leatherman to remove the butt plate screws.

[@BUCKrub91]

I like it Dave You dont have a hole bunch of things in the stock of that gun but you have some very important things.. and I love the sling idea I thought you would make a para cord sling for it eventually.. But the hemp sling is way more multipurpose

[@JDKnifeworksjoedishaw]

great vid!! like the mods for the stock.. keep 'em coming joe in ny

[@JeffTheDude777]

You're a handy guy to have around. Thanks for the vids.

[@s.o.stackman3322]

The best thing for the screws , take a hacksaw and slot one of the lines of the Philips head and you have both .

[@blackoracle69]

hey dave take a 20 ga shell fill it with suplies and slide it down the hole ahead of the 12ga shell ..meds/fishing/matches/button compass..lots can go in there..thanks for sharing dave

[@zschifferer]

Dave, I have done the same, adding a few rounds to my single shot 16 guage. But my modification differs from yours in that I bought a rubber recoil pad that slips over the entire but-stock. This allows me to leave the original but plate off and the rubber cap fits on by friction eliminating the need for a screwdriver. To access the needed shell you simply slide the friction fit but-pad off the stock and you have gained access. Give it a try see if it works for you and keep up the great videos

[@ReeperzOutdoors]

Awesome video as always......

[@mickeyauthement6898]

Hmmmmmm had thought about making a sling out of paracord for my shotgun .....now got me thinking about the hemp for sure! Gr8 Idea.

[@TheGrayman1234]

See if you can slide in a little hack saw blade which will give you something to strike the fero rod with. Sharpen the hack saw blade to an end and you have a small blade. Awesome ideal Dave

[@Lavrentizodiac]

The simple, the best...

[@colddrake80]

@wildernessoutfitters Fair enough. I just thought a bit more space to accommodate an emergency striker would be nice.

[@AlienZombieSlayer]

@wildernesseducation I have the H&R Survivor in .410/.45 Colt and I agree the Choate stocks while ugly as sin are great for storage. I carry 8 rounds assorted .410 and 8 rounds .45 colt in the forend alone and compared to the few holes one could drill in a wood stock the Choate buttstock is absolutely cavernous. Do what you can with the wood stock if that’s what you have but IMHO for a modest investment the Choate stocks are the way to go.

[@TheModernLonghunter]

Hey Dave, I have an NEF Pardner SB1. I made a mod that I think you would enjoy. I replaced the screw on the front stock with a nut and a piece of metal so that I can loosen and tighten that nut by hand instead of using my multi-tool. Makes it easier to break down in case I need to take it apart without tools. Also, my butt stock holds three shells without having been modified. I thought that was kind of weird since NEF and H&R are the same company. You would think they would be the same.

[@Adventurer-1971]

Nice Dave I have always liked stock mods

[@EatCarbs]

Hemp Rope and not bank line? At least with bank line you could set a few traps if need be. Great video as always Dave. =D

[@mthomas8946]

To eliminate the need for a multi-tool to access your emergency supplies, what about removing the butt plate and using a slip-on recoil pad? Love your videos, Dave!

[@Lawiah0]

Note: my favorite rifle is the Spencer Repeating rifle, having the stock bored from butt to receiver, which accepted tube magazine with cartridges.

[@mem7048]

I have a NEF Handi-rifle in ,223 and I have done this for the last 2 1/2 years now brother.

[@flex1234561]

love it one step ahead

[@jacoblfolds1]

the stock will hold 3 shots in the if u waller it out some with a drill file etc.. and then a 5 shot elastic band and the rest of the stuff u already have

[@jameshowton3726]

I used to own an H&R Pardner 12 gauge. 28" barrel w/ fixed modified choke. I bought it at Wal-Mart & I was able to fit 3, 3" 12 gauge shells in the stock bolt hole. I'm curious as to why only one shell fits in yours? I bought my Pardner in 2006. Just thought I'd share that with you.

[@flamedrag18]

also, you could add a wing nut and a piece of threaded rod to replace the front stock screw, making disassembly easier. this is why I like the Rossi shotguns and matched sets better, faster disassembly with the threaded front sling mount acting as the disassembly option.

[@tyler55g]

you could drill out your shell hole wider so thay slide down in their further maybe fit 2 shots

[@docleafman]

Hey Dave, love this series. Try making a small knife out of a hacksaw blade and stash it under a ranger band around the stock or add it to the sling.Use it for removing the butt plate screw and what ever else. Its not an ideal blade by any means but, in a pinch these little blades could help out a lot. You can also use as a striker, notching tool, small spear head, and maybe even a knife. Just an idea.

[@phrankus2009]

You might also line the barrel channel with a long piece of inner-tube. You already know what that can be used for.

[@shannonsmitification]

Great! I would add a carbon steel washer behind that wetfire. Should be able to get one the size of that hole. That way a man could have all the necessities for the ferro rod.

[@MicrowaveDisplaycom]

How about a couple of drywall inserts with screws in them instead of the stock screws? Pick the right size for a snug friction fit and you could keep spares in the stock screw hole. Then attach a length of small but strong steel cable or cord to the inserts on the inside of the buttplate. Also cut 2 slots in the back edge of the butt to allow the cable / cord to pass through, preserving the fit of the buttplate. A quick pull of the cable pops the buttplate off with no tools. Press back on.

[@TheRobertRedbeard]

Good one Dave.

[@pangolin9]

That surefire kit you could wrap it in cling wrap (like lil cacoon) and then dip in bees wax or parafin wax to water proof.--------For your gunstock wood maybe a beeswax, boiled linseed and tupentine mix. It was the formula they used on the m1garands to seal the wood. fyi look at: dotthegunstockdoctordot

[@colddrake80]

@docleafman I was going to recommend something similar. A bit of hacksaw blade in the stock could function as a striker. Though making a little knife of it would be better still.

[@thomasshultz2300]

12 ga they are a good gun you can kill anything in the lower 48 states with a slug you got low brass high brass that's all you need and the ammo is everywhere like the 22 ammo i can't find them..

[@dlvmark]

Great tip! Thanks Dave.

[@MrRollandMartin]

Works even better in a hollow synthetic stock !

[@budethedingo3857]

yo Dave can you do a review on the black powder rifle kit from Bass Pro

[@Edzherenow99]

Excellent! Gotta love those single shot shotty's!!

[@snaponjohn100]

Cool idea.

[@crookedninja5]

great stuff... maybe put a bayonet on the end of the gun barrel, or a small survival knife. You could put a small survival kit on the gun strap and extra ammo etc... Whole lot of options. :)

[@HomeDistiller]

is there much room in front of the shell? you could add bbs in front of the shell and also drill another hole next to the rod and store a few primers and instead of the wet fire you could add some powder. then you have one shot in the shell and one or more shots you could make from the spent shell and whats in the stock.

[@Jacob9282]

Dave, You should show the inside of the Yurt. It looks quite comforting inside

[@sethzky77]

That's a good idea. Any you guys ever seen a Rossi circuit judge rifle? I think it would be excellent for survival situations.

[@ryanleelibby]

I was 2ondering what type of nails you used to make the design on your stock

[@spacerconrad]

That's pretty durned cool right there.

[@unevenelephant3]

I'm more of an ar15 guy, but I have to say thank you for such a great Idea in a real survival rifle. Especially one thats not some little. 22.

[@LivingHistorySchool]

I was thinking about routering out the stock to put an Altoids tin inset in the stock and removable so it could have all that plus a way to make charcloth and putting a flexible Uncle Mike 5 shell holder over the buttstock on top of the altoids tin to hold it in. you attached your sling like I did ...lol

[@hogkillerjp]

very great ideas thanks

[@stevenlewis7534]

Killer idea

[@Krylon103112]

you might want to glue in some brass or copper tube in your stock where your sling is.it would water proof the holes.

[@agooch7890]

that looks like a nice little room i wouldnt mind having one of a yurt like that

[@APCPscorp]

Dave instead of a single 12g shell in that stock, how much black powder could you fit there? You would then 5 or 6 shots using the muzzle loader method. No shortage of small rocks out there. Just an idea brother.

[@ViktoriousDead]

That's awesome!

[@Baldovino63]

Nice dave. Maybe you can had some fishing hooks, I'm sure that there is space for them.

[@sbjennings99]

Cool Informational Video..

[@SkilledBoyScout]

What's the multi- tool you use in this video / your favorite ?

[@superivan24]

Very cool.

[@GWHcraig1088]

good thinking dave! if you could only bring 1 shot size for that 12 gauge what would it be? buck shot and slgs are great on large game but almsot pointless on small game. and smaller shot is great but a turkey would most likley be your biggest kill. so what size would you want to take and why? personally id take #4 shot. good for squirrels, rabbits birds and turkey. as i think it would be more practicle to hunt for small game than large in a situation. what do you think?

[@survivalkraft]

I don't know how big the hole with the shotgun shell in it is (I would assume it is fairly deep). Couldn't you replace the shell with enough material to reload a shell two or three times? Either way it is a great idea. Thanks!

[@tonynapoli5549]

Interesting thank you ☝️🇬🇧

[@mikeinajeep]

Good idea!

[@novascotiansurvival]

Dave if I were you I would drill multiple holes until you have a sort of cavity this will give you more room for supplies (more shells) but if you do make shore you watch the wall thickness of your stock it may crack up on you