Using the H&R 12GA for a Muzzeloader

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[@DavidCanterbury]

Understand that 1 this is a video almost 8 years old, many of the comments are videos that were shot either before or shortly after this to show different ways of using a SS 12 GA, this was also prior to the development with Short Lane Arms of the 12 GA-209 Primer Adapter which is now my go to for any BP use in my 12GA

[@RobertTheo]

You see this is the old Dave, useful information, building his reputation from 2011, no $300 knife ads for the "common man". Thanks for keeping these on KZbin Dave. Your skills, ability to present and modesty are what have made you great and will always make you one of the most interesting Outdoors-man/Mountain Men ever to grace KZbin! Cheers DHS

[@lorddraguil]

seems to me it would be easier to load the shell with this instead of cutting it off.

[@weitzfc1]

I did this , with a 10 gauge h & r , about fifteen years ago . the ammo is super expensive , so I went to shooting ranges to find enough hulls to make it worth wild . the nice thing is you can squib down to twelve gauge loads for smaller game or shoot round lead balls for deer . I just carry a fiber glass rod , with screwed in shotgun tip, for reloading , and it doubles as a walking stick. I make paper tubes , with powder, thick paper card and wad , then shot with an over card, for quick loading . I also bought antique reloading tools , and reload paper and plastic ten gauge hulls . the plastic shells end up with burn holes , so I save the high brass ends . I usually use shells for goose , and muzzleload for squirrels , and round balls for deer. I make my own black powder , and it cuts the price of shooting to nothing. all of this effort , seems to slow down the experience , and I enjoy it more.

[@brucewayne5899]

If the shell is intact, why not load the powder, shot, and wads into the shell itself?

[@bigbrolla]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but a quick tip: You can replace your barrel screw w/ a wing head screw/thumb screw (or whatever it is called) so you do not need tools to dismantle the shotgun.

[@FacetsOfTruth]

Superb video Dave. I just want to say how much I enjoy your videos and all that you have to offer us out here who love God and life as we were meant to live it while we're here. You truly are a gift to us all. What a great teacher you are. You certainly did not miss your 'calling'. Well done!

[@ChasenGunzOutdoors]

This was my first gun and it was my grandfather's so it means a lot to me now to have it nice video and keep up the great channel GOD Bless

[@buffalo1a1]

I have to say when this vidoe came out I started using this system and have been ever since. This system WORKS GREAT!!!, nothing else I can say the I have taken lots of small game using my 12ga, and 410 using this, to new folks I say again it works, and a modified choke.get a 209 adaptor when you can makes it alot easier. thank you Dave for all that you have shown us and still teach us.

[@MrJoeyBoombotz]

I learn from all your videos. Some are better than others and some have more info than others. This video is a true modern day survival tutorial of the highest quality, something EVERYONE should know and a real inspiration. Thank you again for all you do. Kudos and good luck in all your endeavors.

[@guskoerner75]

Other than not following the instructions of the manufacturer, I see no issues with this method of muzzleloading. In fact, I think its a great idea and breathes new life into our old single shot guns. I'll never teach this to my students, but I will to my buddies. Thanks for the video. gus , NMLRA/NRA Instructor Trainer.

[@MrBillTroop73]

I believe the point being missed by some commenting, is how Dave is showing everyone an inexpensive way to get into and learn black powder shooting with equipment you probably already have. Great video Dave! I still have my H&R shot gun in 18" stainless as a gift from my brother long ago.

[@tomjeffersonwasright2288]

This is a great video for 2 reasons. One is the increased flexibility with the use of an inexpensive, quality firearm, In a survival situation, every bit of flexibility is another way to stay alive. Secondly, this is a great example of "survival thinking". It is finding additional ways to use limited assets, that flexible thinking is the greatest asset of all. A couple of suggestions. A slip knot in the MIDDLE of your cord will let you scrub the inside, back and forth, while you stand on one end of the cord, and pull with the other, moving the barrel around the now stationary cleaning wad. A long, long time ago, I hunted with a Mexican who had a home made shotgun. He was a true DIY man, mainly for economy. He used donkey turds for wadding in his shotgun, and horse or perhaps cow shit would work too. It does give the gun smoke a distinct flavor, though.

[@looseheadsurfer]

some of you cannot see the "pure Genius" of this adaptation.....got me thinking of doing the same with a handi rifle 45-70 and a .410 hull... thanks Dave.

[@Hard2Track]

You take your work very seriously and have put a lot of thought into all your videos. You have definitely taken it to the next level and I thank you and your family. Happy Thanksgiving.

[@charlessanders3122]

This make me remember when I was I kid I used to open the shells when I would find them and dump out the shot and tape the shell to the end of my B.B. gun just so it would make the the sound.

[@W8MJL]

Dave I've been a watcher since you did the squirrel hunt with a woods made slingshot years ago, and i must also admit i quit watching a year or so ago due to you leaving the longhunter / versa shelter style behind but now your back in the old style and i'm watching again. Thank you Dave. I like the expanded coverage you've done with the black powder conversion on your 12 gauge, I think it explains alot more that was missed in the .410 episode you did with your son.

[@HardscrabbleBlake1968]

The Kentucky Long Rifle was a hybrid of 2 earlier frontier guns. One was the German rifle, which had a rifled barrel but was much shorter, heavier, and had a larger caliber than the Kentucky. The other gun was the English fowling piece, which was smoothbore, but had a longer barrel and smaller caliber than a regular musket to improve accuracy. The fowling piece could fire a single round ball or multiple small shot. So, Dave's shotgun is much like a fowling piece in function.

[@robertcritch9896]

I just re-watched this again. I saw it years ago and IMHO represents the typical quality he brings to most of his videos. I am a great fan. This topic iis a great skill to know. If you add the skill to make black powder. You never have to run out of ammunition for you 12 gauge. Of course this stuff is a remote chance of have to rely on it, but that does not take away from the enjoyment and Self reliance such skills bring. Dave is all about those skills.

[@Survial9999]

Dave, I look forward to that vid. This is very interesting to me. I have a old Hawkins flint lock. I like this option to replace the old Hawkins. Thus, my interest in this. Thank you for the feedback. Have a great thanksgiving and your service to our nation. (Vet here also)

[@akn7able]

Dave I have a single shot 16 gauge from new england arms. That I got when I was 14 I like it for it's ruged dependabilty. I have cerbal palsey I think I spelled it right because of this I have droped it gotten it muddy etc. and all I had to do was wipe it off and run a patch down the barrel and it still works as well as the day I got it just wanted to say thanks because of your videos and teachings I have brushed up on my skills and learned new skills

[@RmpHockey89]

Dave already made a video for that. The guy in the video you posted mentions how he got the idea from Dave which is the point of his channel. This video was just showing that you could also use the single action 12 ga as a muzzle loader if for instance you have damaged plastic shotgun shells, you could just cut away the plastic. I like Daves videos because he doesn't take 45 min to show how it's done if it doesn't need to be 45 min long.

[@JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead]

This is awesome! I have an old Stevens single barrel 12 gauge that breaks down without a tool. I got it for 50 bucks, because the bracket that holds the fore grip on was busted. But I got the replacement on numrich for 10 bucks. It is vault tight now. I use my Mossberg 500 for hunting now soley-although I am going to have to try this now, for fun. Maybe I will see if I can run a modern take on what the frontiersmen used to do, and put my powder and shot in small manilla envelopes, so you can tear a corner, pour, then use the envelope as wadding.

[@mattcheatham3263]

Hey David I've been watching your videos for a while now and I really enjoy them. I just received my 209 muzzleloader adapter for my 16 gauge that use to be my pappy's and I love it. I'll be using it this weekend on squirrel and rabbit. Thanks for your time and videos keep them coming.

[@bobbygarmon9933]

Dave i saw my dad fix a single shot 12 in the field the hammer spring broke and he used a haksaw blade to replace the spring and we were hunting in a few mins works great i have did this also with a old 12ga i had good video Dave

[@lmomechtech7709]

Great job! Nice to know and see the versatility of the single shot shotgun. I would have to agree, that in this mode of black powder, the 12ga would be the optimum choice.

[@tblbaby]

@iguire It's not about times fired, it's about getting the corrosive residue from the burned black powder cleaned out before it starts corroding the barrel. You don't want to wait more than a couple hours if you can help it. The quicker the better. Of course if it gets dirty it never hurts to push a hunk of rag through it until you can get to a good source of water & soap or solvent better yet if possible. A wet rag or other patch material if you'll have time for it to dry out before you load

[@FtnHills38]

Very cool, thinking ahead, having multi-purpose materials to lighten the load and adapting modern gear when store bought rounds / supplies are not available, I like it! And...lol, no bare feet! Good to know your still going strong Dave.

[@wildghost44]

what i do with my gun to clean the barrel is i take a piece of cotton cloth (multi purpose) and tie it to some paracord and i put the cord down the barrel and pull the cloth through it has always worked like a dream for me and saves the trouble of taking the cover off of the barrel. also i put a small fishing sinker on the opposite end of the cord to make it go down the barrel easier

[@Nostrildomus]

I like the way you add accessories in the presentations , flat washers , sticks etc. . Thanks all

[@echoesofthedead]

the muzzle loading aspect of the video is when EVERYTHING has gone to hell, and the only thing left is your wits and using what you have to keep you alive...every ounce of stuff you have to haul around, is a step you might not make, or live to take...ounces weigh tons, at the end of the day. good video, and informative. and as always: semper fi, carry on!!

[@TheMongo1357]

Another great video! I see where a few are questioning about loading an empty shell with the components? I am not so sure one could load all of this in an empty shell, without fear of an accidental discharge, compared to traditional loading and packing as you showed in the video??? Black powder is fickle and tends to be unpredictable.....or precisely predictable in this case! Be safe Brother and keep educating us!!!!

[@lmomechtech7709]

Watched this again...great video as I have done this a few times with my Rossi 12ga. Definite fun times and keeping in touch with REAL gun shooting.

[@cb3391]

Update 2023 This is still my go to.... 12 years later Watch this series, learnit be smooth and survive

[@johnholland3476]

I got my daughter a rem LT 1100 for protection ,& she watches your vids ,

[@thelonehighlander]

I can't believe I never thought of doing this, its so brilliant and yet so simple.

[@billfox6912]

I reload shotgun shells, 20 and 12 gauge. Black powder works great for shotguns with other modern components. Using smokeless powder and moderate loads, I get five reloads from a 2 3/4" plastic and six or seven from a 3" plastic. Black powder burns the plastic, so paper shells are better.

[@martinaxe6390]

I'm watching this and can't help but remember making paper cartridges for Civil War reenacting. Take a dowel rod, and wrap a piece of paper around it, twist the end and tie it off with a piece of string. Load shot first, then powder, and fold the remaining paper over. Everything is good to go in a single container. You could also wrap the shot and powder charge separately, maybe using different colored paper to distinguish the two. Brown masking paper worked the best. You can find instructions on the internet. Just search for "wrapping civil war cartridge".

[@ratroddiesels1981]

you really nailed your video about hunting wild boar with your flintlock rifle, enjoyed seeing your period correct clothing they looked bullitproof we liked your longer hair too it made you look the part , also the show and tell about the flintlock was educational. please keep bringing us your videos we find them enjoyable and educational thank you..

[@elkhunter8664]

Damn! I had this topper model for 35 years. I just gave it to my nephew. Wish I had seen this video before I did.

[@TheManFromAlaska]

Thanks for doing this series. I know how much work it is to make videos and you have really taken a lot of time to share your knowledge. Thanks.

[@ra777wow]

Really like your video's Dave. I'm tryin out my single shot 12 ga. with your reloading technique today.Thank you for your videos and all your info !

[@asheradensein]

Dave, thanks for this! I never thought of this before. SO versatile!

[@thrudahoop5321]

Keep the primers in their original boxes and trays. It keeps them seperated and not able to contact one another. If you place them together in a plastic vial they will contact one another and have the potential to explode like a handgrenade if dropped. I had a gunsmith friend loose and eye and part of the use of his hand when he was handloading and dropped his 35mm film container vial of primers and was grabbing for it when it hit the conrete and exploded. Don't place your primers in anything but what you bought them in.

[@superdave2112]

Hodgdon Triple 7 cleans even easier, and has no sulfer, so it can go longer with out cleaning. Thought I'd mention that. Great idea, Dave!

[@deepsouthredneck1]

It would be nice if they made a model that came with a ram rod. Hulls are prone to getting stuck anyway.

[@str8todragon4me]

if you place your primers in ANY other container be sure to place wadding over the top of them, if they rattle ,they Will go BOOM. safer in the box.the priming compound is SHOCK SENSITIVE and it will not take much to explode!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be Carefull out tnere!!!!

[@MrNorwegian2010]

Modern day gunpowder is slow burning. Black powder is fast burning. Like the videos!

[@IronWolfIndustrial]

Great video, Dave! Never thought of using my H&R for this! Man, you could carry a pound of GOEX or PYRODEX and a hundred primers for a heck of a lot less weight than a hundred rounds of 12. Sure, maybe not as high muzzle velocity, but it would most definitely work. Thanks!

[@threebog]

What if you just slightly loosened the primer hole so it still held a primer securely but didnt need to be seated, then you could put it in after you had loaded the barrel and remove it from the brass after shooting. Then you would also only need one piece of brass that could stay in place. And perhaps sand off part of the rim if the extractor is catching it. Just some brainstorming.

[@cephasmartin8593]

That would certainly be safer than tamping down powder and shot on top of a live primer.

[@PaynekillerJim]

Dave I listened to you and bought myself my first firearm a Baikal Remington single shot 12ga, kicks like a mule but I love it

[@markdavis29]

Love the videos. I picked up a New England firearms SB1 single shot a few weeks back at auction for $50- . Shot it last weekend w/ no issue. They are great simple guns, I have semi-auto rifles and pump shotguns, but I like my simple bolt action rifles and single shot 12g’s the best.

[@shipshape08]

its used to remove a ball from the barrel if you have a squib round or if the powder doesnt catch( it looks like a kind of double cork screw.). they typically screw right into the end of the ram rod so it can be used to extract the ball

[@jeffrey4547]

i just got some solid brass shells for loading black powder loads the best thing i have ever used and my loads have never gone bad and u load it like a real 12 ga load only with a thin cardboard cap 3/4 in. seal with wax or glue a light glue

[@Hutzjohn]

Dave, don't you want to run your steel wool the other way thru the barrel, pull the crap away from the chamber instead of pulling the garbage into the chamber area? Great nugget of knowledge in this video, I will keep it for the years after after we cease to be a country. For now I think my Marlin Papoose and vacuum packed 22 ammo will have to do. Thank-you Dave for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@somorastik]

Great videos! Always gets me back to the wild from this modern city life. Thanks

[@sepaku1968]

great vid! one question I have. Is it possible to reload the whole shell with the same grain of black powder and shot without cutting off the plastic?

[@vanRijn64]

While I would never consider using these techniques (black powder, I am unlikely to get my hands of powder and primers if I cant get loaded ammunition where I am) I do appreciate the thought and effort the poster has put into this video and his skills. Regardless of if you think something is 'useful' or 'applicable' to you, you have to give credit to people who have actually gone to the effort to come up with a well thought out plan or system for something they find worthwhile.

[@badjujuR6]

The bad ass thing about this, is you can still shoot standard 12ga ammo through it. Very cool....

[@deerslayer048]

Awesome, i was browsing 12 gauge chamber adapters and found this, really neat

[@r3dacted666]

What if you were to use .177 Daisy BB's instead of the larger shot? I mean I guess you could consider it "Birdshot", but IMO, it would be a better pattern for smaller game, such as the rabbit target. Just throwing this out there as an option.

[@thesweetestjerk8905]

If you drill the primer hole a little larger you can actually keep the brass in the shotgun and easily replace the primers by tipping them out. I do it all the time for cowboy fastdraw.

[@UU-bl4xu]

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[@francismarion4097]

Got my little Rossi breakaction! I like it more because you can put the .22LR adapter along with 50+ rounds of .22 in the stock, also I have some fire starting stuff in the handguard..

[@Oldtimeypistolero]

It also saves weight - I'm getting up there and honestly there's only so much ammo I can carry.On the fly black powder reloading for a shotgun cuts down on weight and saves money which is also a big deal for some of us. Sounds like a winning idea to me

[@tblbaby]

This is great! A couple observations, the bbs look bigger than buck. Black powder can't blow a modern black powder barrel unless you clog it. You could fill it up & it just burns on the way out ... I've done it on 4th of July's, lol, would be nice to learn if that's true of a 12 gauge barrel. I don't think a dry patch is reliable to hold the shot together. I think wrapping it like a bean bag in material so it gives a little friction when pushed in would be reliable & let it loose after shot.

[@AngeredKabar]

I'd be very careful about doing this with any shotgun. Usually in muzzle loaders the proper procedure is to insert the primer or percussion cap as the last step in loading to effectively prevent discharge while loading. But with this method, you have to have a primed case in the breech as the first step. I'm not very familiar with the different models of single shot shotguns but if the hammer is cocked and you drop the gun and it falls on the hammer that could discharge it among other things.

[@sharlacimbak1933]

Man, what a great video! I never thought about doing this with an H&R Pardner. Now I know and you have done a very effective job of teaching me. Thank you sir! Armed Mariner

[@Lawiah0]

Dave, I do the same thing with the .410, and prefer it after 40 years of use. Best regards.

[@jkgoet01]

thanks for these videos, it's very hard to find this good of information anywhere else, especially thanks for your time, please keep it up!

[@theDUKE197908]

Wow,i never realized all the things you can do with these single barrel shotguns. Very cool.

[@hoagybob]

I use airsoft pellets. They're cheap and don't contaminate meat. Heavy biodegradeable (.36gr) tracer pellets which can be charged up with a laser pointer just prior to loading when using clear plastic shot shell cases.Makes interesting shooting at night.

[@jigstick]

First I would like to say thanks for all the knowledge you share with us. I to would like to see more on the .410 I have an M6 scout and love to carry this gun in my pack due to it's size. I would guess the loads are just downsized a bit but still would love to see what you can do.

[@mastertech.81hvacr8]

Most practical videos I've seen, keep up the good work. Awesome it's all about the tools

[@krisalaska]

Well, I just usually get one more round of use out of my spent shot shells and reload them with my home made black powder. I usually make a dozen here a dozen there in the evenings with different size shots and slugs. No reloading equippment needed, only a nail and dowel. Actually, I use the plastic container of a used 5ml syringe I got for my goats from Agway. The syringe is a good inexpensive powder measure too if you cut off the very tip of it. The syringe container works great both as a small ram and as a funnel too. One end is tapered and if you cut it down it serves a dual purpose as powder/shot funnel and a ram. I think it's $0.49/piece new at Agway stores. Surely beats the heck out of paying 14 Bucks for a plastic powder measure. I don't bother to clean and reuse plastic shells after black powder shooting. They are messy, plus you can pick them up everywhere. But I found they work great because, the higher heat of BP softens the plastic shell, that swells up and snugs real tight against the chamber wall and gives an exceptionally very good seal. If I wipe the chamber, I usually hardly even get a slight, faint graphite looking fauling, coating the chamber even after firing 10-15 rounds out of it. I still check it every few rounds or so but it works like a charm so far. But yeah, the barrel needs to get cleaned asap after done firing or else.

[@unclemikeb]

If you didn't have extra cloth to spare for the reloading process, would you dare to use something like moss or crushed leaves? That might sound odd ball but if one was really out in the wild, you would want to save cloth for bandages or cleaning, things that moss would not be suitable for. This is great video, it puts a whole new concept on the usability of what one can reasonably keep on hand.

[@tyrrellmastropaolojr7972]

Awesome thanks bro. I’m definitely going to try this.

[@wolfspring]

I wonder how hard it would be to convert a shell into a bp primer nipple? You can make your own BP primers with coke cans and toy caps if you could convert one it would make it quicker to work that way and add a valuable option not only to the gun in the video but all the NEF/Rossi matched pair guns. This is an awesome video, thank you for what you are doing.

[@flamedrag18]

also, have you ever considered making paper cartridges for this set up? just like a old time musket. you could mark them as shot or ball loads. the nice thing about it is that the paper acts as the patches, everything's in a nice package and fast to load. in your case, just pop the primer shell in, rip the paper cartridge, pour the powder into the barrel, send the paper and load down the barrel and set it with the ram rod. fast and simple.

[@jamesw365]

Hey Dave why not take the two canisters and tape them together back to back making it a little more compact, I think it would give you less to search through in your pouch. Awesome video.

[@SandmansHate]

I just learned more from you in 14 minutes,than my own father has taught me in a lifetime. Damn good video,I am subscribing.

[@madcatter69]

i watched this video about 5 weeks ago,i went and bought one in 20 gauge for rabbit hunting.i had all the stuff,been having a blast slaying rabbit.my buddies think its foolish but i call it fun

[@mpccenturion]

Old primers, were susceptible to temp and handling conditions. I have primers that are now, 35 years old. Stored dry, in the original container. A pill box, in 5 or 10's makes sense. Putting a 100 pak, in plastic makes sense too. They weigh nothing and can be used for a long time. I make custom power drops, and having loaded for 35 years, I have a lot of experience in powders. Use ones that have a lot of weight to the charge. They will give you consistency, when using a volume measure.

[@ardvarkkkkk1]

The factory primer box is designed to prevent explosion. Keep them in the factory box.

[@substance1]

Love those H&R single shot 12ga shotguns. Nothing to jam or go bad on them.

[@rayst.2934]

I tried it in 410 shotgun shooting a 375 patched round ball .qafter about 4 shots it fouled up so bad the action would not close completely . ib had 2 miss fires I thought at first i broke the firing pin but after further inspection I realized it was because of the fouling . I gave it a good cleaning. these guns were not intended for shooting black powder , just thought i would let you know.

[@RockyGully]

A longer screw with a large knurled head would make disassembly much quicker.I have one on a 22lr that does a fine job;the screw head was made from aluminium

[@mzmadmike]

Looks like a SOG multitool. It may be a Leatherman. There are many good varieties.

[@Voodoo_Robot]

cool stuff. Also if you only load black powder, cloth (no bullets), prepare the firewood, shoot to the ground and then use the smoking cloth to make fire.

[@therealdestructicus]

@lolworld2012 every gun shop i've walked into you can pick up a single shot for cheaper then a pump, sometimes even find a side by side for cheaper then a pump.

[@tigermaples]

@Dco237thEngBn In a survival situation you would use what ever was readily available for the shot. The point he was making is, he already had the steel bearings with him (for use in a sling shot). So who would care what you used as long as the stomach of you and your family you are trying to provide for is happy. I am sure he was very careful with the direction he was shooting for this demo.

[@daronbingaman6862]

He shoots rocks!!!!????

[@dog22boy]

dave used to have a video on using the 410 in a similar manner, i assume he had to remove the more dangerous gun videos before discovery channel would take him on. arrows shoot fine out of a 410. double barrel shotguns are much more expensive and you have to worry about the first shot knocking the second barrel's load loose. the 410 is small and useful but the twelve gauge top break single shot can kill anything from doves to moose.

[@JCrook1028]

Both black powder and smokeless powder are measured in grains - but black powder is measured by volume, and smokeless is measured by weight.

[@rapalaangler]

Instead of cloth between powder and shot, use old hornet hive, it is vary much like paper, it will cushion the impact of the powder on the shot, so it does not spread as wide as fast.

[@Broken-Nation]

thanks for the modern firearms. shit if I have to depend on repeating this process over and over again, I be one tired ass hunter. Hats off to Dave one hell of a Instructor.

[@clmautz]

They're both good videos, but you're comparing apples to oranges. I watched houndsman's 3 videos to learn to make and load my own 12ga bp shells. I watched this video to learn how to create a primer holder, load, shoot, pattern, and clean a modern 12ga as a muzzleloader. I'm glad I watched both videos! Subscribing to this channel...

[@drivingmuffin]

Beautiful knife, Dave. Planning on buying one after I finish college!

[@tomsmestead1012]

Added brass tacks to it.Treasure her.Taken deer with her.Have others but not the same as old reliable. Just wish she had buckhorn sights on her. Tried pyrodex per your vid last winter.Worked fine.Just hate the clean-up.Worked up a shooting bag just for powder shooting her. Tarheel musket.

[@Ishmaelthearcher]

Thanks for another great video Dave! I always learn something when I watch your videos.