PINBALL -- IndyCar at Portland Review

[@TotoDG]

You missed your chance to write “IndyCarnage” in the title.

[@Pantsthief-gk8vu]

I feel like Dixon’s plot armor has worn off these past couple races.

[@Spyke-lz2hl]

I think I’m first... That’s a first.... That F2 crash was an unavoidable occurrence, with the way he was pushed out toward the traffic after hitting the wall. The guy who hit him had no chance to avoid him. Very sad...

[@noone7206]

Spyke0511 1 You are fourth my friend

[@lotus95t]

I'm pretty sure that the Eau Rouge / Raidillion complex will be changed for next year. There's already a call to put a more acute bend at Eau Rouge, as now the track is flat out from Eau Rouge to Kemmel and the speeds too high. Another contributing factor are the tarmac run-off areas. But that's for another discussion.

[@paulo9504]

@@lotus95t IMO, it is not the circuit layout that is to blame. The circuit layout is fine. They used to have gravel there but paved it when cars would dig in and roll. When something like this happens, everyone becomes reactive instead of being proactive. There have been some big crashes at Spa over the years and you know why? Because it is a badass fast circuit. The number of fatalities at the Eau Rouge/Raidillion complex has been what at FIA sanctioned events over the years? Bellof was the last guy I remembered being killed there and that was in 1985. FIA has to continue to strive for better cockpit protection though no matter how many advancements they make, racing is always going to be inherently dangerous and reminders of what we saw on Saturday will always be present. It is a dangerous business afterall.

[@lotus95t]

@@paulo9504 There has been nearly a dozen drivers in various categories killed at Spa since Bellof, with nearly all happening between Eau Rouge to Kemmel. And the reason is, you are going flat out up a hill with no way to see what is ahead of you. On Saturday, when Alesi spun and Boccolacci slowed, Hubert who was right behind them, never saw them until it was too late and he ended up driving off the track. Correa did the same thing and ended up driving into Hubert. An accident like that would never happen at the Rettifilio at Monze, which has a much higher top speed as the drivers can see the whole length of the straight.

[@paulo9504]

@@lotus95tBellof was the last high profile driver in a high profile series to die there. I wasn't really thinking about motorcycle racers, since they get killed everywhere, it seems, historics, or the various low rung touring car series that compete regularly there. Racing is inherently dangerous. People say reconfigure this section and that section but is that the solution or is it a knee jerk reaction? I say remain calm and let the FIA investigate and determine what should be done. If they feel the circuit needs changed, I am sure they will inform the organizers. If the organizers balk, the FIA can revoke their certification of the circuit. As far as I know, none of the F1 drivers have brought up any concerns about the circuit or its safety. So, they must feel it is okay to race on, otherwise they would organize a boycott. These guys also, by and large, love the circuit and accept the risks of not just racing there, but racing in general.

[@MotorsportsFan17]

R.I.P. Hubert & Combs _F in the Chat_

[@tylerensminger]

Rookie class this year is really impressive. Herta and Rosenquist look like really good on the road courses while we already seen what Ferrucci has done on ovals. Going to be interesting to see the development of the three (maybe 4 if Ericson stays next year).

[@ChaseFanNo.9]

Thanks for remembering Hubert and Combs 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@sunshinecoolwater3960]

Please press F for Pocono

[@psychlops924]

It sucks that Daly didn’t even get a chance to show his stuff to SPM because of Rahal’s mess up, along with Veach and Hinch. And then it sucked just as bad to see Harvey’s shot at a podium taken out by Hunter Reay. Good young drivers taken out by really poor decision making from more veteran drivers.

[@frankbieser]

I can't fathom what Herta's team was thinking when they kept him out for so long, well within his pit window, when he was complaining about his tires falling off and losing positions rapidly. Hopefully he'll have a better team supporting him next year.

[@paulo9504]

Hey, what does anyone expect when The Great Brian Barnhart (aka TGBB) is calling Little Herta's race?🤣

[@TotoDG]

Oh, damn, I had no idea about Jessi! Wow, this weekend’s been depressing…

[@Commander_Xalamander]

I was in Portland watching the race live and I thought it was a great race!

[@PaperBanjo64]

That 12 lap caution was unnecessary

[@madc2004]

I saw a picture of antoine's car and I couldn't believe my eyes. Sidepod being completely gone along with part of the cockpit was something I didn't think was possible. RIP Antoine

[@lotus95t]

And Correa's feet were dangling outside of the front of his car. That is something has to be looked at as the Dallara-Mecachrome is crash tested to withstand higher impact speed than occurred at Spa.

[@psychlops924]

The issue with the Hubert crash was that he had already hit the left side of the car at 160+ mph against the tire barriers, and then that same side was hit at 180+ by Correa, after all of the impact absorbing parts of the car had already been destroyed. I’m not sure how you make a tub that can take two consecutive 160+ mph impacts. I’ve heard a lot of people criticize Dallara because the side is a weak point of the tub, but it did hold up against the initial impact.

[@psychlops924]

As for Correa’s feet dangling out of the car, that definitely needs to be addressed.

[@paulo9504]

@@psychlops924 Yep, unfortunately it took a perfect storm of violent events to cause the catastrophic chassis failure. Not sure there is any open wheel formula type car that can withstand the number of hits Hubert's car took. Almost a freak series of events that is almost unheard of. So, people need to calm down and stop blaming the circuit.

[@paulo9504]

@@psychlops924 He center punched Hubert's monocoque at 180 mph. That is extreme. The current car passed the FIA frontal impact tests. I am sure the FIA will study the wreckage and try to find areas that can be improved moving forward.

[@Xeroxmyassiluv]

I was there at Portland So much fun!

[@SpectralUmbreon197]

McLaren is likely looking at all these first lap incidents involving Schmidt cars, and thinking "Are we really about to do this next year?"

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

Gulf-City Umbreon Gil de Ferran would make sure that the strategies would be sorted out. I think that he will be a race strategist for the second car.

[@kennethjeffries5022]

I agree that 12 laps under caution was bs I kept saying what the hell is taking so long .

[@paulo9504]

Despite the advancements made to cars over the years in regards to cockpit protection, regardless if it is Indy Car, F1, F2, Indy Lights, F3, etc., there are probably a million different scenarios or situations a chassis can be subjected to. However, it is very difficult to predict a situation, such as the one we saw Saturday at Spa Francochamps, during the engineering and safety testing process. That is why racing tends to be more reactive than proactive. However, when an incident, like the one with Anthoine Hubert and Juan Manuel Correa, happens, it is important to avoid knee jerk reactions. Important to stay calm, investigate, and determine what needs to be done to prevent something like this from happening again. Neutering circuits with chicanes is usually not the solution.

[@Rac3r4Life]

Couldn't agree more. Certainly the runoff/barriers in eau rouge and Raidillon could be warranted, but changing the track layout itself would be stupid. They may as well quit racing there if they do that.

[@Eibarwoman]

Any changes at Spa Francochamps needs a wall angle change which prevents bounces cars back into traffic.

[@kevinstern6797]

Michael Andretti looked pretty ticked off on RHR

[@RCRWJR]

I thought he was looking at Marco's lap times

[@landoflogic107]

To me this race was just okay. Nothing crazy like at Gateway. I think they seriously need to contemplate adding two or three more ovals onto the schedule to balance things out a bit. Have one before Indy, and then one in between Mid Ohio and Toronto, and then one in between Portland and Laguna Seca. A three week break this late in the season is ridiculous. Not to mention they just came back from one.

[@kennethjeffries5022]

I have yet to understand the 3 weeks off for a finale just run it the following weekend.

[@jaredmartin2803]

Maybe Sato should call for RHR to sit out the next race because he's so dangerous 🤔

[@TheMotorGuyDirect]

Jared Martin bump

[@paulo9504]

This year's points battle might be most anticlimactic one in a long time. On one hand you have a points leader who has made a lot of silly and unforced errors throughout the summer (Toronto, Mid-Ohio, Gateway, Portland qualifying). Then you have four guys, who for one reason or another, have been unable to capitalize despite the point leader's best attempt to hand the title to one of them. 🤣 The ROY battle though, has been pretty entertaining. Rosenqvist, Ferrucci, and Herta have been very impressive this season.

[@stevenkilsdonk2046]

This race brought to you by Miley Cyrus's Wrecking Ball Services, Inc.

[@MrMusicfan678]

Santucchi trying to give you guys a show at the end.

[@onlyautismic]

You could just tell that Rossi was laughing to himself after Hunter-Rey wrecked

[@tayloresswein]

NCA _APONTE That's exactly what I was thinking. Braked early and watched RHR take out Harvey and thought "thank you and goodbye" 👋

[@onlyautismic]

What a coincidence

[@BSNFabricating]

The first part of the race reminded me of one of the early IRL races from 1996 or 97. You'd expect that from somebody who was new to the series, but experienced drivers like Rahal and RHR...??

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

Rahal admitted blame, so all credit to him. He probably just braked a titch too late under braking, and maybe didn't have quite the stopping power he'd have under race conditions. RHR's incident was ridiculous though. Like David said, outta character, but dude. One, it's your teammate. Two, he's got a title on the line. Three, that is a d*ck move in ANY series. Four, I will never forgive you for ending Harvey's race, regardless of how accidental it was.

[@lotus95t]

So so race, but good to see Power win. Rahal is another driver along with Daly and Andretti who are only in the series because of their last names. Yet again we see how over-rated Rossi is. At no time could he stay with the leaders and only got 3rd because Herta was told to not overtake him. if I was Rossi I'd be worried if Herta moves to the main Andretti team.

[@paulo9504]

Herta's advantage is his engineer who is on loan from Andretti Technologies and is their shock engineer. They have found something at Harding/Steinbrenner that they aren't showing to the mothership. Once he becomes a full fledged member of Andretti Autosport, he will lose that advantage. And Rossi is a beast. Has carried Andretti Autosport this season. RHR, Veach, and Marco have all struggled. Seems there is something amiss at AA this season. I expected a lot more out of RHR.

[@mermaidslam7936]

I was at the Portland race. It was an awesome experience, but Dixon could have done a little better. It was really cool seeing him battle Herda at the beginning, which he sadly lost. Overall it was awesome as an experience, but the racing was generic and slightly disappointing

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

"The battery chose to leave us"

[@tayloresswein]

And yes, Herta's team really screwed him. I thought the same way as it was just like Road America. I was at that race and just felt sooo bad for him in those final laps

[@danielsmith9779]

The 12 lap caution was because of timing issues. They were figuring out track position for those going through the make shift chicane. I was in attendance and it was definitely too long of a caution

[@y.nagato4812]

I read a lot of messages on Facebook that about Indycar 2020 schedule. A lot of fans and me want to see more ovals. I love road course race Indycar but I think Indycar should add more ovals. I want to you make a video about what you think about Indycar 2020 schedule and recent Indycar schedule.

[@nyrmetros]

Pocono.....

[@stophiringjjyeley8711]

Y.Nagato Indycar should do a pack race at Daytona or Talladega.

[@aebking]

Surprised they haven't explored New Hampshire again,especially since NASCAR only goes there once now.

[@darwinLee81283]

Yeah... No thanks.

[@flopt12]

They almost added an oval.....apparently as recently as last Thursday Pocono was still on the schedule and Richmond was on as well, but unfortunately they weren't able to come to an agreement (IndyCar and Pocono) and now the addition turns into an exchange.

[@kevinstern6797]

Yellow was over 20 minutes!!

[@jesusreyesgaming]

After the race was over, in the paddock Tony Kanaan was not happy. He punched the door of his hauler in frustration to what happened in the race.

[@justinpriestley7246]

The race was much more fun in person than on the broadcast

[@aidengraves7737]

Godspeed Huber and Jess, you'll be forever missed.

[@jacksonlowry1631]

Can’t believe there’s only one Indycar race left this year... at least I get to go to Petit Le Mans this year

[@CodyHolloway8]

Watched this race from under Hamlin's pit box in the rain at Darlington

[@atxyeldarb]

Absolutely horrible driving Graham, he should have to sit out the next race. Same for Hunter too, first turn at Laguna Seca is way more dangerous than Portland.

[@MrKeith8885]

Brad why can’t WWT Raceway be the finale? That race was such a wildcard compared to a road course

[@ChaseFanNo.9]

Me: how many wrecks does it take to take out the whole Arrow Schmidt-Peterson team 🤔 Answer: 1

[@RogueInfern0]

Well, counting Harvey...2

[@ChaseFanNo.9]

And him too, thanks

[@ceeam]

SPM *AND* RLL

[@justinpriestley7246]

Great seating at turn 1

[@IostsouI]

I'm new to IndyCar so I don't fully understand how Newgarden and Pagenaud restarted in 11th & 12th while Ferrucci, who was next to Newgarden at the start, restarted in 16th. At what point was the grid position reverted back to? They didn't make it through the first corner so surely you either leave it as it ended up after the crash or you revert back to the start line up.

[@davidfstanford]

Its unfortunate that the first yellow being long af along with the second yellow really torpedoed any chance for an alternate strategy. There also seemed to be too little difference between the red tires and black tires.

[@tommiles6004]

The schedule is a joke. I am becoming more and more of an Indy only fan. What they did to Pocono and the way they criticized them is an absolute tragedy. Also a question I need answered: Why does everyone say that insurance is an issue if they go too fast? Was there some kind of article thay ran years ago? Surely Indianapolis would have no problem paying a large premium considering the amount of money they generate.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

I mean it's Pocono's fault that they didn't make the walls higher so that cars don't fly into the catch fence.

[@flopt12]

Apparently Pocono was on the schedule as recently as last Thursday, which actually kind of surprised me because I had assumed that IndyCar had already decided not to go back (too dangerous, etc.), but this was not the case. More details may be revealed but the parties could not come to an agreement....and Miles said they may still try to return "sooner rather than later"......I guess we'll see!

[@paulo9504]

I don't know if race control is trying to dictate or manipulate pit windows with some of these lengthy yellows or not. However, they need to watch at what F1 does because they can clean up wrecks without it completely ruining the flow of the race.

[@halfassproductions2715]

Was rooting for the rookies today, but a fellow aussie wining is ok with me.

[@johnmarkpayne2185]

Erickson turns out to be the luckiest of all. Had he subbed for Raikkonen he would have been caught up in the first lap crash at Spa. Had he been in his IndyCar ride he would have been caught up in the other first lap crash in Portland.

[@Mortimuss]

Agree for sure on the yellow’s.

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

NBC fucking cut the broadcast of the race to show the damn Hurricane in FL. I was absolutely PISSED OFF.

[@racerboyjeff362]

No hat for David? It's the apocalypse!

[@kevinstern6797]

Richmond on a Sat night June 27 2020. Minus Pocono. Elkhart Lake going to be June 21? 1 race in August?

[@olaadeshina1276]

They may have taken 12 laps to clean up the lap one crash but the pace lap speed was so quick. At moments you would think that tha honda pace car would spin out

[@tommiles6004]

Mayor of Crashtown at it again.

[@nicolesgaming8917]

I've forgotten about Charlie Kimball since Indy, tbh. You say he's been driving well this year...if you say that, that's saying a lot about his usual form.

[@lucskywalker8441]

I would've been at this race but i thought it was next weekend

[@PaperBanjo64]

This was an odd race.

[@weatherfan1925]

I thought that they were going to red flag the race. I agree they should have and got the order sorted out under the red.

[@Blueflag04]

12 laps caution for a race that isn't wet, its ridiculous

[@billymc2681]

I started watching the race around lap 35; boring in my opinion. We will probably see this again in 3 weeks at LS. An old, narrow track with few passing opportunities.

[@kennethjeffries5022]

Yea it wasn't a good race really not much passing that's for sure.

[@energyy3737]

RIP

[@supersoakercupseries7709]

Man that’s Indycarnage I will see my self out.

[@panchoceronte]

are you the same guy on the official coverage?

[@tayloresswein]

That shuffling after the first lap was absolute crap! Drivers avoided the wreck like they should and got punished for it. Newgarden specifically went from 2nd to last on the track to like 12tg or something like that

[@edwardburek1717]

Just as well that Wreckfest doesn't have an Indycar licence... yet...

[@gagemcpherson4454]

I don't understand why that first caution was 12 laps not acceptable this has happened several times this season got to change I was getting frustrated by lap 8 the race was decent Hertas team screwed him leaving him out there just like at Road America would like to see a video about the 2020 schedule what is up with just 1 race in August momentum killer and would like to know if you think indycar needs to add like another 2 or 3 ovals to truly balance the schedule out

[@kennethjeffries5022]

The Olympics is the reason its royally screwing racing as a whole in August . Yes they need to add more ovals in that schedule !

[@gagemcpherson4454]

Who watches the Olympics never cared for it found it boring

[@michaeljezierski7158]

Olympics may be boring but NBC paid big bucks to show them so INDYCAR is taking a break. I haven’t put the NASCAR schedule side by side yet but I am guessing they will take a weekend off during the Olympics since it’s in NBC’s portion of their TV rights

[@gagemcpherson4454]

Well I guess I will be napping alot in August

[@mitchellmortenson2481]

They weren’t cleaning up, they reordered the field and then opened the pit lane

[@Peasmouldia]

F1 fan:"Give us Herta and Ferrucci and you can have Stroll and Giovinazzi".

[@bryantdunbar3476]

I'm sure Mark Miles is just sick he released next year's schedule before the race. These unsafe tracks that cause 1st lap accidents have to go. They got rid of Pocono, Portland needs go as well, just bad tracks for these Indycar guys, 2 years, 2 first lap wrecks, 2 cars upside down. Clearly these tracks are the problem and have to go..... ....can you hear the sarcasm in my voice????

[@Eibarwoman]

Any track can cause lap one crashes. Portland is just more likely than most. There was a stretch at Indianapolis between 1973 and 1995 where every fourth year you'd see pace lap (Tom Sneva, Philippe Gache, Roberto Guerrero 92) or first lap crashes.

[@cnchess]

Let's see, Pocono lost its race for next year because for the past two years the drivers forgot how to handle turn two resulting in expensive bumper car stupidity. Meanwhile, Portland (a city that hates automobiles and everything that they represent) is rewarded with yet another race even though every race held so far had resulted in the best drivers in the world not being able to get through the first turn without crashing all over the place. So, Indycar left Watkins Glen for a flat, dusty race track appended to a drag strip that is too dangerous to make the first turn safely and has now abandoned Pocono for a 3/4 mile D-shaped NASCAR track. The decision making of the leaders of this series is moronic.

[@Fitch93]

Thats's TWICE in 3 races that RHR has tried to race his own Teammate like an asshole and caused an accident.

[@stevenkilsdonk2046]

Seems like ECR is awfully interested in getting their hands on that Jumbo money From Rinus.

[@paulo9504]

Quite a few teams are, I would imagine. You might want to throw Foyt in the mix as well now. Not sure Foyt would be a good destination for any rookie driver, though.

[@ndrwsrcht]

Here is the breakdown, If Newgarden finishes 5th or better he is the champion if Rossi finishes 6th or better, Newgarden must finish 23 or wosre and Pagenaud must finish worse than Rossi Pagenaud must finish 5th and Rossi must finish worse and Newgarden must finish 23 or worse Dixon MUST win if he has any shot at the title

[@cylonred8902]

Am I miss-remembering things but didn't Graham whine about stupid moves on lap 1 causing a pile up and taking a bunch of people out at Pocono? Maybe he needs to heed his own words a couple racers later? Maybe he needs to get into team ownership and out of the car - along with Marco?

[@lucskywalker8441]

I think rossis championship run is done,he needed to win and newgarden needed to do badly and that didnt happen. So in mah opinion i think the title goes to newgarden

[@BahamutLogan]

Second year attending Portland and I thought it was good race but last year was better. The middle part of race was great until everyone went to blacks at the very end.

[@joelwillstein9906]

Time and time again there is a 1st car pile up because the straight is so wide and the 1st turn so narrow and sharp. No matter how many times at the driver's meeting they talk about caution for T1, someone or ones just go brain dead and look to win it going into T1. Then to make matters worse the restart was more of the same. like everything else in life, when the consequences for your actions and screw ups are severe enough, it stops. But when you just get a slap on the hand it continues. Cause a major accident and it's a mandatory 1 races suspension, cause a 2nd one like Sato is famous for, and it's two suspensions, and a 3rd and you're gone for the season, past the halfway point and it rolls over to the next season. Instantaneously, these driver brain farts stop. Fines don't mean crap, as every driver and or team can and will cover them.

[@bétaalfa-g2i]

Dixon's championship's hope is over.

[@wolfknifelazer]

Is it just me or did this race look awful on TV. I was on the nbc hd channel and it looked like SD. Even David's highlights look blurry.

[@davidbowman2991]

At the beginning "all of the motorsports community" well yes but actually no. Fuckin NASCAR hasn't done a thing Edit: they might've done something before the race tonight, but I haven't seen anything

[@racer2c]

Your camera is too close for comfort. :)

[@MrSvene]

IndyCar offers a lot of good racing but the level of some drivers is shocking low.

[@repetitivemotion]

The first turn at Portland is waaaay too tight.

[@randygravel2057]

That chick that died wore a fighter helmet. No Hanes device and fricken fighter pilot helmet.

[@simrigpc27b12]

All the land speed guys basically suit up like a pilot. And may i ask what you think a HANS and FIA certified helmet would do for a human being going 500 mph??

[@randygravel2057]

SimRig PC27b Same thing it does if your in a dragster going 335

[@simrigpc27b12]

@@randygravel2057 On an open dry lake bed surface where there is nothing to slow you down and dissipate energy? You have to keep things in their proper context.

[@simrigpc27b12]

RHR, the most dangerous guy on track for at least the last 10 yrs. Sorry, it's just the truth.

[@dks13827]

I just can't watch this kind of racing and I won't pay to see it, either.

[@MonacoMcLaren]

the double points thing is crap

[@theBusterMan215]

When these pile-ups happen every single year at the start of the race in the same first corner, it means the circuit/environment is not conducive to clean racing. They should start this race on a rolling start after that first chicane. Honestly, the fake drama from the crash may be slightly appealing to a casual fan looking to see crashes, but it’s simply a turn off to the majority of the fan base.

[@MrDrewdubb]

What a joke, 12 laps, time to change the channel, it was amateur hour out there

[@timmyfernald3923]

Teeth more yellow than loganos car

[@sonicimperium]

IndyCar sucks. No development and sloppy racing. 👎🏻