Game Composer Hears TWIN PRINCES from DARK SOULS 3 for the First Time

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Davi Vasc

Davi Vasc

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@DaviVasc
@DaviVasc Жыл бұрын
I mentioned Ludwig's Theme from Bloodborne briefly in this video and I just remembered that is actually one of my favorite videos that I've done! Have you seen it? -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap-0lquZqqmDd9k&pp=gAQBiAQB
@dxcSOUL
@dxcSOUL Жыл бұрын
This is also one of my favorite videos you've ever done. That and Lady Maria :)
@signa8
@signa8 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see you play Dark Souls 3 and fight this boss in the distant future.
@veracc
@veracc Жыл бұрын
@@signa8 why cant play it?
@signa8
@signa8 Жыл бұрын
@@veracc he's doing Mario RPG next
@therealludwigtheholyblade
@therealludwigtheholyblade Жыл бұрын
I have watched it once or twice, yes.
@dizzyhungry
@dizzyhungry Жыл бұрын
Twin Princes was def the music highlight of my DS3 journey, such a masterpiece.
@dorcusss3693
@dorcusss3693 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a close second for me, if you count the DLC. Because holy shit, that Gael Bossfight music.
@WhenGoatsWentBaa
@WhenGoatsWentBaa Жыл бұрын
That's a tough one, there's so much good music in DS3, from this to Gael, to SoC and Abyss Watchers which is probably my favourite
@tiraedo-omozuwa3689
@tiraedo-omozuwa3689 Жыл бұрын
Mine was the abyss watchers
@Dudewithnoface1
@Dudewithnoface1 11 ай бұрын
Gael and Midir were both absolutely beautiful tracks! Twin Princes were my favorite for the main game by far though ​@@dorcusss3693
@shutityoudumb
@shutityoudumb 11 ай бұрын
Also the only original boss in the game (I'm half kidding)
@ltrttl
@ltrttl Жыл бұрын
“This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here too, if you’d like” Try Main Theme pls. One of the most remarkable main menu themes
@Dizzifying1
@Dizzifying1 Жыл бұрын
That's because it was supposed to be the final boss theme music. Originally Pontiff was the final boss of the game and that was his theme. They scrapped the idea and utilized his theme for the main theme.
@ltrttl
@ltrttl Жыл бұрын
@@Dizzifying1 yes, I know. The data mined version is even better imo
@mohidsufyan8706
@mohidsufyan8706 Жыл бұрын
@@ltrttlThere's a datamined version?! Where can I find it?
@glockenspiel604
@glockenspiel604 Жыл бұрын
​@mohidsufyan8706 all the leaked tracks for ds3 are the channel:Unreleased Game Music. The pontiff one your asking about is called Old King of the Eclipse
@freesoup9673
@freesoup9673 Жыл бұрын
@@Dizzifying1which is why I love the convergence mod for giving respect to that original idea.
@greenhydra10
@greenhydra10 Жыл бұрын
The "maddening, enraged sounds" aren't in the track, 'cause I make those sounds when Lorian starts teleporting.
@MissyAmy88
@MissyAmy88 Жыл бұрын
😂 Fun fact Lorian can’t teleport. It is Lothric who is teleporting his brother during the whole fight. First from above you and later in the fight while sitting on Lorians shoulders. Notice the Holy golden colour of the teleport is the same color of Lothrics holy magic homing attack.
@canadiangopnik7007
@canadiangopnik7007 Жыл бұрын
@@MissyAmy88 Lorian is not performing the action of teleporting, however he is undergoing the process of teleportation, it could then be said that he is teleporting, english is fun right? It also speaks to their bond, that they're so in sync that Lorian knows exactly where Lothric is gonna put him and attacks accordingly, and that it's so seamless that it could be forgiven if one assumed it was Lorian doing the teleporting
@MissyAmy88
@MissyAmy88 Жыл бұрын
@@canadiangopnik7007 Yes, their souls have come togheter as one so they are a unit :)
@trymytree3155
@trymytree3155 Жыл бұрын
11:16 it's really interesting of you to say this, because if you die to this boss, one of them says: "This spot marks our grave."
@DaviVasc
@DaviVasc Жыл бұрын
Whoooa
@ghostyuki-kfpinquisitor1038
@ghostyuki-kfpinquisitor1038 Жыл бұрын
"This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here, too, if you like." (From the younger prince) Until phase two of the fight, Lothric only talks. He's basically just overseeing your funeral like the many that have come before you. As his brother proceeds to most likely bury you. Might as well leave their item descriptions as well Lothric's sword - "Young Lothric was meant to be a champion, and was expected to wield this platinum sword, but some things will remain distant dreams forever." Lorian's sword - "Before Lorian embraced his brother's curse, he was a knight who single handedly slayed the demon prince, but the victory eternally scorched his sword with flame." Combined swords - "Sword forged from the reunion of the inseparable swords born from the souls of Lothric and Lorian, the twin princes. Their union is rooted in a curse, and perpetuated by grief." Fits the mood you were describing
@hellacash126
@hellacash126 Жыл бұрын
I've watched many videos of this guy, he always make these dead on observations about any boss theme. Almost likes he reads ahead about the boss lore and then pretend like he figured it out listening to the soundtrack, and I think that's exactly what he does 😁
@cheetoh3149
@cheetoh3149 Жыл бұрын
Quite obviously from watching this video xD@@hellacash126
@ChromaticFlare
@ChromaticFlare Жыл бұрын
@@hellacash126You DO realize that (good) boss songs are crafted SPECIFICALLY to represent that boss and their story, right? Composers write their songs based on the context of that story, using their music to help the player gain an emotional understand of the battle and what it represents. Anyone with a strong education in music theory can easily see what these kinds of songs are trying to convey. It just so happens that this guy has such an education. It is possible that he reads up about the boss first, true, but considering his education and experience in music theory and composition, I wouldn’t be surprised if all of this is genuine. In fact, I expect it to bex
@YellowZ04
@YellowZ04 Жыл бұрын
These two princes are actually the descendants of Gwyn. The younger prince was the last prince of Gwyn's bloodline, and he was meant to be the saver of the world, but it turned out he wasn't. I don't know the exact lore of them, but you fight with the elder prince, who is mute, so there aren't any vocals in the first phase. The vocals start singing when the younger prince joins the fight. They are actually waiting for their deaths in their room. My personal favorite theme song from DS3.
@Grunbeldknight
@Grunbeldknight Жыл бұрын
Hello again!
@dxcSOUL
@dxcSOUL Жыл бұрын
I wish the game spent more time developing these characters. They give adequate time, but I just wanted more. Their story was so tragic and they were the main catalysts for why you, as a main character start your own journey.
@justiceg7872
@justiceg7872 Жыл бұрын
It was always my understanding that they shared the burden of being a past lord of cinder. Thus, in a previous iteration, the princes had "saved" the world (or at least the elder brother had). However, as it always has, the flames begins to dwindle, and the past lords are called to oncemore to sacrifice themselves to embolden the next great hero and allow for the flame to be kindled again; but the lords forsake their call they wish to end the cycle or at least remove themselves frome it (except Ludleth who returns of his own accord). Which is why the player, as well as others who were connected to the lords, are summoned (Hawkwood for the abyss watchers, Anri and Horace for Aldrich, Siegward for Yorm and you for the princes). In that vain, Davi is completely accurate their fate is sealed, and they will be assaulted until they are inevitably felled by an undying "hero" whose motivation may or may not truly align with the flame, at least. P.S. wrote this on my phone, please excuse typos.😂 Please refer to Mothernothingness for correct lore on princes.
@aisuyukii
@aisuyukii Жыл бұрын
@@justiceg7872what do you mean when you say that the certain people are ‘connected’ to the lords, Anri and Horace to Aldrich. Could you elaborate? Because I would love to know and I’ve never heard that before. I could see the Siegward and Yhorm connection obviously because they were friends. But the other connections confuse me
@mother.nothingness
@mother.nothingness Жыл бұрын
@@justiceg7872 if I remember correctly, princes have never been the lords of cinder, they were supposed to do it in this cicle, but bc of pontiff (or whatever scholar, i'm not sure) and his teachings they said "nah, we don't wanna burn for eternity, screw this". Vaati's videos could tell you more
@jlol2701
@jlol2701 Жыл бұрын
You should absolutely do Pontiff Sulyvahn from DS3 as well
@Korinthian
@Korinthian Жыл бұрын
Oh God I’ve never wanted a request answered more. This would be amazing.
@JosephJorgenson-cr6nt
@JosephJorgenson-cr6nt Жыл бұрын
Or god devouring serpent
@uncleol
@uncleol Жыл бұрын
I was literally just thinking "Davi should react to Twin princes OST" finally that dream is here!
@ravynbunny7193
@ravynbunny7193 Жыл бұрын
Darkeater Midir is another absolute hidden gem from the ds3 soundtrack that you absolutely should listen to!
@ashtonprice3
@ashtonprice3 4 ай бұрын
i am begging him to do a midir video his ost is such a beautiful piece
@marcoasierrabernal4893
@marcoasierrabernal4893 Жыл бұрын
Dude it always amazes me how you come up with the exact lore of the characters by just listening to the song.
@NetherStray
@NetherStray Жыл бұрын
The way I see it, the art team and the soundtrack never lie to you. Characters and writers do.
@specialnewb9821
@specialnewb9821 Жыл бұрын
"This spot marks our grave, but you may rest here too, if you like." -Lothric, Younger Prince Yuka Kitamura just amazing orchestral talent. Though I think Alex Roe (who has put out a mini album with Kitamura!!) did a remix that made it even better.
@lordzalthos3037
@lordzalthos3037 Жыл бұрын
Something interesting about this theme is that in phase 1, you fight against only Lorian, who is mute. Similarly, there are no vocals in the music until phase 2, when Lothric, who can speak and does, joins.
@manreaper1238
@manreaper1238 Жыл бұрын
More like a coincidence
@aymeraldds9126
@aymeraldds9126 Жыл бұрын
​@@manreaper1238this is probably no coincidence
@manreaper1238
@manreaper1238 Жыл бұрын
@@aymeraldds9126 This is not the only song in ds where the choir appears in the second part
@lecarbonator
@lecarbonator Жыл бұрын
@@manreaper1238now I‘m curious, what ds3 ost has no vocals in phase 1 and vocals in phase 2? I thought that‘d be an easy answer, but I can‘t think of one off the top of my head gundyr, vordt, sage, deacons, AW, wolnir, ODK, greatwood, oceiros, champ gundyr, pontiff, aldrich, yhorm, wyvern, NK, dancer, DSA, SoC , Friede, Gravetender, Demon Prince, Midir, halflight and gael all have it. Twinces is the exception.
@manreaper1238
@manreaper1238 Жыл бұрын
@@lecarbonator To be honest, when I wrote this I had Gael in mind. But now I listened again and realized that I was mistaken
@jesusvera7941
@jesusvera7941 Жыл бұрын
Young prince lothric, named the same as the land, because he was supposed to be the last lord of cinder ever, his power and might would have made him an inmortal legend, but he was born ill and weak, always surrounded by nurses, from that life he learned all kinds of healing spells. Lorian, older twin, a prince born with blessings, he was always skilled and strong, he killed the last of the demon royalty alone, the fire of said demons imbued his greatsword with a never ending flame, he returned to his home loaded with triumps and exploits, but then he decided to share the curse with his brother, they were so close that it is said their souls merged, but while Lothric got a little better Lorian lost his voice and his legs became numb, when the fire started to fade and the lords of cinder were resurrected by the bell to re-link the fire, Lothic and Lorian refused the call and went to the highest chamber of the castle to watch the fire fade from far, until... the bell also resurrected a vile and foul being, a god killer called the ashen one, when the lords refuse their thrones the ashen one will deliver the corresponding fresh ashes to their seats, because it is ash that seeks embers, and thus the lyrics of the song: _oh visitor of the castle_ _you who came seeking embers_ _you who came hunting_ _im afraid_ _im afraid oh visitor of the castle_
@deerdance101
@deerdance101 Жыл бұрын
Twin Princes is probably my favorite fight/song from DS3. There's nothing particularly hard or flashy about it, but the rhythm of the attacks feels like a dance of sorts once you get the timing down. The choir in the second phase gives me chills every time.
@hydramarinee
@hydramarinee Жыл бұрын
That's because there are almost no delayed attacks. Everything is very well signalled and very easy to dodge. That gives the encounter a very nice dancey feeling and I had the same thought years ago. Now Nameless King on the other hand :)
@gusskipner9809
@gusskipner9809 Жыл бұрын
Yeah one of my favorites bosses!! Always looked forward to it in NG+
@elijahwilensky3318
@elijahwilensky3318 9 ай бұрын
For me, theyre probably the hardest mandatory boss in the base game. I can never get the timing of his attacks right
@AugustoXRock
@AugustoXRock Жыл бұрын
It's so cool that you use the words "resignation" for describing how the theme is playing out. In the lore, the current prince doesn't believe anymore in the linking of the fire, so him resigning from his duty of linker of the fire is very fitting. Also, the reason why we maybe were left hanging is because at this point is because maybe the prince's ideals might yet come to fruition through the player.
@rhydondaddy
@rhydondaddy 8 ай бұрын
No vocals until second phase, since Lorian is mute... only when his brother joins in do the vocals join
@kunibertrandolf1886
@kunibertrandolf1886 Жыл бұрын
Yaay, time for DS lore again! The twin brothers are most likely the children of Gwynevere, the godess(or atleast her illusion) waiting for you in DS1 behind Ornstein and Smough. Both brothers are the earliest children of Oceiros, the by now consumed king. He was obsessed with creating "the perfect child" to eternally link the flame. To be more precise, he wanted to create a child with both the powers of dragons and gods alike. While Gwynevere was already of holy decend, Oceiros started researching the draconic, eventually coming by the experiments of Seath the scaleless and his crystal magic. While his first son, prince Lorian was "normal", besides of being very large and a most skilled fighter, he did not have the god's blood of his mother. But then prince Lothric was born. Albeit cursed with an initial sickness that made him frail and unable to even walk, he was revered as the perfect child by the royal house. Besides of holding the holy blood of his mother, he also has pale sking and clawed hands, implying that he was the result of Oceiros' early research of how to infuse infants with the draconic. Lothric was meant to one day take his thrown as a lord of cinder to bind the flame and was raised as such. His sickness grew stronger with time and might have killed him eventually, would it not have been for his loving brother to "share" his curse. The noble knight and demon slayer Lorian became crippled by helping his brother bear the curse, turning him mute, weakening him subtancially and paralyzing his lower body completely. Yet he still stayed by his brothers side and they continued to grow up together, with them now being supposed to assume the throne and link the fire together. But one of his teachers was sceptical of the linking of the flame, questioning if forcing the world to keep the age of fire going to be the right choice. (A question asked from DS1 to 3 repeatedly). These ideas, combined with the suffering Lothric and his brother had to live by just to be "perfect tools" to link the fire led to them both refusing the throne and fleeing to the castle we find them in. As they state, they planned to watch the flame die out from a distance, before the age of dark would naturally occur. After they fled, their father became mad with the desire to still create a perfect heir. Beside of the generally intoxicating and maddening teachings of Seath, the added mania from "being king" and "having to continue the age of fire with royal blood" led him into more and more vile and brutal testings to create dragon kin. Many of the dragon amalgamations we can fight, like Gundyr, are most likely failed test subjects that where meant to be infused with draconic power but failed to contain it. While Oceiros neglected his kingdom and sacrificed more and more people to his research, he turned himself more and more draconic, may it be intentional or a side effect. And while the kingdom fell into disarray and was invaded by the boreal Valley, Oceiros still held on to having to create a perfect child. In a last ditch effort, Ocelot was created, a child that only partly made it into the game. Ocelot was the final child of Oceiros and yet another failure. Even with all his sacrifice, Oceiros, by now a malformed, blind half dragon, he could not create an heir to link the fire. This is when we find him. In game, he cradles nothing, but the game files tell us that he would have had a newborn child in his arm for the first stage of the fight, believeing him to be his magnum opus. He manically asks the child to show everyone its power, to come out of hiding and show the world that Oceiros finally succeeded to create a dragonborn heir and cleanse the stain of Lothric's desertation. But as the fight continues and the child does nothing... because it is a child, he ultimately smashes him onto the ground, killing Ocelot. Before we kill him, he understands that all his efforts where to no avail and that the child he created, is not what he tried to achieve. He failed, plunged his kingdom into destruction and failed to achieve his life's duty. It is the same in game, without the child, but more metaphorical, as he only stops to cradle nothing and goes full apeshit on you, abondoning the idea of "having the child". All in all, Lothric COULD be seen as kind of a tragic antagonist, as he DID refuse to assume his duty, but lived a life of torment just to appease the royal interest in heirs for the flame to consume. The question if it was worth for the sake of humanity or if Lothric is right and the fire should die out for the natural age of dark is for the player to choose.
@A_d_e_k
@A_d_e_k Жыл бұрын
You interpreted the song beautifully, especially the part about the requiem. Lorian and Lothric were supposed to save the world and continue the cycles, but Lothric decided to not do so and watch the world die. He even says, in case you are defeated "this spot, marks our grave."
@GreatRaijin
@GreatRaijin 9 ай бұрын
Linking the fire is not "saving the world," the flame has been prolonged for too long, and the world is suffering because of it, which is why you see all the old kingdoms destroyed and converging in the last area of the game, we're not sure what happens once the flame goes out, but we do know it will come back again to continue the cycle of light and dark
@AlexHyena1
@AlexHyena1 Жыл бұрын
always amazing how much you interpret from the music. the sense of tragedy, finally, the feeling of a requiem are all perfect summaries for the twin princes' story as the last hopes of the royal family only to end up as sacrifices to the ashen warrior who sought their cinders. The twin princes will always be ranked amongst my favourite fights and soundtracks.
@mifangtai5820
@mifangtai5820 4 ай бұрын
0:57 "There's a lot of tragedy already" A perfect summary of the background of DS3
@legiondbd4566
@legiondbd4566 Жыл бұрын
Quick amazing details about this music, there is no voice in the first part because the first prince is mute, the voices comes in the moment the other prince came into the battle.
@Bobio
@Bobio Жыл бұрын
Oh shit.
@phase34
@phase34 Жыл бұрын
I'm not the one who requested it, but I want to thank you for this, and all the other soulsborne video. I have goosebumps every time from both the music and your analysis. "Their fate is already decided, they are already dead." I'd like to see more videos about souls bosses for example Pontiff Sulyvahn, Sister Friede and Darkeater Midir. It's also a very late congratulation for beating Bloodborne. :)
@Bobio
@Bobio Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I couldn't help laughing at Davi's sad face when he said "She left it unresolved!" after 15:50😂 You can tell this guy is as invested in the music as we are in the moment when playing.
@AlyssMa7rin
@AlyssMa7rin Жыл бұрын
It’s unresolved because the Player is the resolution. The world hangs in the balance and it will all fall to that final choice
@yuomovaeh3028
@yuomovaeh3028 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how you can "reverse-engineer" Kitamura's songs so well and tell something about the characters lore even without playing the game! Definitely one of top 3 tracks in DS 3 for me.
@fakeplasticgamers9850
@fakeplasticgamers9850 Жыл бұрын
The way the music builds during the phase transition cutscene and explodes when second phase starts... easily one of the most memorable fights of DS3 for me. It usually gets overlooked because DS3 is so stacked with great bosses, but Twin Princess deserves some recognition.
@zosyn6432
@zosyn6432 Жыл бұрын
This spot marks our grave.. but you may rest here too, if you’d like
@CelestialDonQui
@CelestialDonQui Жыл бұрын
The unresolved ending is interesting. Here's my interpretation... You pointed out how the tension chord resolving to the home chord gives a sense of resignation to a tragic fate, with the tense chord conveying tragedy and the home chord giving the sense of inevitability and resignation to fate. Well, the fight ends with the player killing the twin princes and thus denying them the tragic fate that they had accepted, hence the home chord not coming at the very end. The fate of the princes changed due to the player, but their tragedy remains nonetheless. Thanks for another great souls music analysis Davi!
@elissahunt
@elissahunt Жыл бұрын
This track is already awesome, but your analysis helps me appreciate it even more. Great job.
@flyintiger7659
@flyintiger7659 Жыл бұрын
I see the final part of 'grandeur' as a way to emphasize the end of the princes' suffering, which may finally put them to rest, and also through their deaths a hope for a better future is born. Amazing breakdown of the soundtrack by the way
@canadiangopnik7007
@canadiangopnik7007 Жыл бұрын
one of my favourite, tracks, fights, and stories in all of soulsborne, it doesn't get nearly as much love as it should
@benmccoy1766
@benmccoy1766 Жыл бұрын
I always love to hear Dark Souls music analysis, and the Twin Princes are one of my favorite bosses! I would love to hear your thoughts on some Armored Core 6 themes if you think there would be enough to say for a video!
@DaviVasc
@DaviVasc Жыл бұрын
Would you suggest any specific Armored Core 6 track?
@shinyhydreigon7257
@shinyhydreigon7257 Жыл бұрын
@@DaviVasc Rusted Pride
@TactfulOgre
@TactfulOgre Жыл бұрын
@@DaviVasc "Contact With You" would be the perfect AC6 track to check out first!
@spanishgame
@spanishgame Жыл бұрын
Contact With You is an absolute must yeah. I like some of the others but Contact With You is the highlight of the AC6 soundtrack.
@zisenye3419
@zisenye3419 Жыл бұрын
@@DaviVasc The man who past the torch. One of the final boss music in Armored core.
@luigivercotti6410
@luigivercotti6410 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, more than any other track in the ost, this one screams agony to me, specially in the 2nd phase, with the voices starting and stopping and slowing down almost as though they're in so much pain they can't even sing anymore... whoo, goosebumps Also, the unresolved ending is probably so that the ost track feel closer to the in-game loop that just goes back to the choir entrance at that point
@ForeverDansky
@ForeverDansky Жыл бұрын
Love your videos mate, and congrats on reaching 100K! Well deserved! 🥳
@hellcorpses
@hellcorpses Жыл бұрын
11:00 about this funeral music i think thats right, because if the player died lothric will say '' you may rest here to if you like''
@Luco129
@Luco129 Жыл бұрын
Lovely breakdown! Spot on with your recognition of the themes of fate and funerals. The change from double meter to triple when the fight goes from you vs lothric to you vs lothric and lorian, all thee fates intertwined. You made me thing of this wonderful fight on a whole new level!
@villelepoaho4105
@villelepoaho4105 Жыл бұрын
The transition into the second phase is beyond incredible. Honestly one of the best musical pieces I've ever heard in a video game, ever.
@Avg_FarronGreatsword_Enjoyer
@Avg_FarronGreatsword_Enjoyer Жыл бұрын
I just had an epiphany. I think that the continuous insistance on the resolution has a meaning, in fact two: If we look from the perspective of the princes, the inevitable "resolution" is their ultimate sacrifice in Firelinking, which they can't stop, and they know. Their rebellion was bound to fail from the moment it started. "If we instead look in the perspective of the player character and, by extention, us, this continuous resolution I think represents the continuous cycle of Firelinking (the resolution) that doesn't go anywhere. I think the unresolved final means this: in this desparate world not even a perfect resolution can bring end to the eternal cycle it is trapped in.
@AliasEliahus
@AliasEliahus Жыл бұрын
God i can't wait for you to get to gael's theme , also very impressed at how accurately you can describe the story without context, Just goes to show how a nuanced handling of music can add so much to a story. as a brief side note i don't think what you said about the violin portraying a specific character isn't inaccurate here as part of where the hopelessness is coming from is that these characters are both afflicted by a curse that "binds them" they are effectively two halves of a single character in that regard. would be stoked to see you fight these guys some day.
@xtremeLo
@xtremeLo Жыл бұрын
This perspective of funerals is blowing my mind. After so many years, souls are still being deciphered and revealing the details of the state of the art these games are. Awesome insight! I'm now watching all the rest. I'll keep looking for more of these.
@josoares6284
@josoares6284 Жыл бұрын
Your review about the feeling of this song is perfect, you nailed it. The Twin Princes' lore really is melancholic, tragic, and depressing.
@96WackoXJacko96
@96WackoXJacko96 Жыл бұрын
If I were to think of the reason for the song not being resolved, it could have to do with the Princes role as Lords of Cinder. Having the job to link the first flame but then deciding to instead watch it fade. That is until you the Ashen One come and defeat them. I think the end of the song could be referencing either at the princes inaction, or it could represent how after you beat them you're left with the question of "should I actually link the flame, or should I follow in the steps of the princes and just watch it fade?" Or it could just be so they can loop the song if you taking a while to beat them lmao
@t0q14s9
@t0q14s9 Жыл бұрын
There is also the thing that the twin princes are the last lord of cinder and Soul of cinder comes right after them so you choose your ending right after
@gunnibalsmith3849
@gunnibalsmith3849 Жыл бұрын
To me this final unresolved part felt somewhat like the tolling of the bell - just a repeated, sad sound that simply fades into silence. Feels fitting for a requiem.
@DarkHellDog
@DarkHellDog Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite bosses in the Soulsborne-franchise. Such an amazing experience.
@drkazel8783
@drkazel8783 9 ай бұрын
I like how they use the home cord as a symbole of rezignition and then they are teasing it in a maner that it become the first note of the chorus that follow and in the end of the track it completely disapear (as does there hope and interest for the life and the flame)
@SwitchFeathers
@SwitchFeathers Жыл бұрын
I don't know what's more impressive: the Dark Souls composers being able to so accurately communicate the lore of their stories through music alone, or Davi's ability to basically deconstruct that same lore purely from the music alone. Gonna go ahead and say both are equally impressive.
@NobleGamer0117
@NobleGamer0117 Жыл бұрын
Davi mentioning how this soundtrack sounds like a 'funeral' where the fate of the Twin Princes from the beginning is already decided, is actually backed up by Lothric's dialogue after they kill us, where he says 'This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here too, if you like.'
@kirbystart9738
@kirbystart9738 Жыл бұрын
Every time dark souls music surprises me even more. Next one should be slave knigh Gael, that's one of most epic OST I've heard in a videogame
@t0q14s9
@t0q14s9 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I believe he already listened to it In A livestream so I doubt he'll make A video on it
@rathosalpha
@rathosalpha 7 ай бұрын
"This place marks are grave, but you may rest here to if you like" Prince lothric
@perryunicorn1538
@perryunicorn1538 Жыл бұрын
Those boys are my fav bosses in dark souls 3…and god the fight hurt…the poor boys. Their story makes me cry.
@mynameudste
@mynameudste Жыл бұрын
yeah idk about many other boss fights that are this much of a kick to the teeth once you learn their story. (plus they're stylish, wearing your bro as a scarf is in)
@perryunicorn1538
@perryunicorn1538 Жыл бұрын
@@mynameudste from software loves to make brothers with sad back stories that make you cry
@DreyfusLagoon
@DreyfusLagoon 11 ай бұрын
This is my favorite fight in all of souls and I think the music plays a big part in it. Probably my favorite OST they’ve ever done, especially in the second phase it’s so good.
@gabrieltroconis250
@gabrieltroconis250 Жыл бұрын
I haven't heard this song in so long and now I'm missing it even more than when it was taken off Spotify 😭😭
@WaffleRaven
@WaffleRaven Жыл бұрын
One of my all time favourite Fromsoft tracks. Its so sad and inevitable. Like you said some inevitable fate. Its beautiful and glorious in a tragic way.
@Forastero011
@Forastero011 9 ай бұрын
I often like to listen to this song whenever I feel overwhelmed with grief over my brother’s death. It speaks to my sorrow and anger.
@manreaper1238
@manreaper1238 Жыл бұрын
you've finally reached the best song in the game btw I like how you correctly understand the essence of the boss from his music.
@tako_shop
@tako_shop Жыл бұрын
i’ve been waiting for this review for a long time. thank you.
@DanS044
@DanS044 Жыл бұрын
I love being able to interpret meaning from these pieces. Bits placed there intentionally to inspire certain ideas in the player, whether they realise it or not. And also coming to the wrong conclusions, and questioning why this could be. Whether intentionally, or just as an artistic choice. The sign may end unresolved because whilst the “end” of the song will never organically be reached by a player, since the track loops, and wouldn’t fade into silence anyway at that moment when it would end anyway- it might come back to the significance as to the reason the song emphasises resignation and tragedy. Briefly touching on the story of the game, the ultimate fate of the world is in the player’s hands. And whilst the Twin Princes who have an idea of how they’d like the world to play out, they’ve also resigned themselves from their duties as well as playing an active part in the fate of the world. Thus when they inevitably fall, the fate of the world comes back from the bleak hopelessness that is suggested in the themes of the song and the Twin Princes’ philosophy. The harder to find, true ending of the game requires the player to not follow their duties, the same duty that was demanded of the Princes. If there was no alternate path, and the world was doomed to entropy like the Twin Princes thought, perhaps to prove them right, their song would end in a fitting melancholy way.
@DanS044
@DanS044 Жыл бұрын
This is what souls music does to me.
@pancakecookies50
@pancakecookies50 Жыл бұрын
"This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here too, if you like."
@debraloane3585
@debraloane3585 Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed at how you see the picture by just listening to the music
@linhager12
@linhager12 Жыл бұрын
It does sound like a funeral mass... all so very interesting... thank you!
@joseluismijangos3133
@joseluismijangos3133 Жыл бұрын
The background is they were waiting for the ashen one who would rob their souls only for his own purpose. They won’t let him take it, so they fight for their own existence. Of course they were killed and their souls were used to selfish purposes. That’s why this is sad. They were rejecting their own destiny, and at last that destiny reached them. There’s nothing they can do for that.
@nightingalepvp4932
@nightingalepvp4932 Жыл бұрын
I've always had such high appreciation for FromSoft tracks. But after watching a few of these videos where actual professionals react to them and break them down and explain them, that appreciation is like tenfold now. You realize then that each track has a story to tell and emotions to express, and isn't just put together on a whim. Can't imagine how much time and effort goes into creating these. Amazing stuff, we're truly spoiled.
@bestaatroxeuw
@bestaatroxeuw Жыл бұрын
finally, this is one of my favorites
@Kebab136
@Kebab136 Жыл бұрын
Damn @DaviVasc this just shows the grand mastery of these games. The fact that you knew basically nothing, and just from the music you NAILED the story - themes yous noticed being the tragedy, the resignation, the fate and the funeral... This couldn't come closer to representing the story of the Twin Princes. They are descendants of Gwyn. They were chosen to link the first flame as Gwyn did a long time before (fate). They decided that it's for nothing, that the flame must die, and they declined to fulfill their fate (resignation). They chose to stand face to face with their fate - the player, which is another cool aspect of the game: Every one of main 4 bosses -lords of cinder- had an NPC counterpart that was summoned to bring back the heir to their throne, with whom they crossed paths before or with whom they were locked by fate. Yohrm had Siegward of Catarina, an old friend of his, Aldrich had Anri of Astora, who escaped being sacrificed to him as a child, Undead Legion had Hawkwood the Deserter, who was a member of the Legion of Pharros but deserted, And finally, it is speculated that the Player Character was one of the five assasins of Prince Lothric, one of Black Hand. Just before the fight with Twin Princes, you stand off the remaining three Black Hand assasins, and the last one you find dead way before in the castle. In a way, Lothric and Lorian are facing their own fate. The (tragedy) of being slain by your own guardian assasin. Finally it is a funeral, as both Princes decided to die in their throne room, which you - the player- is informed by Lothric right as the fight begins - "this place will mark our grave". They gave up, decided to die there, by facing their tragedy and declining their fate. You can't tell me the game isn't a masterpiece when a composer can read the entire theme, the entire chunk of story just from the soundtrack.
@bastienchalvin5242
@bastienchalvin5242 Жыл бұрын
4am, preparing to go to work, see a new analysis of Dark Souls music by Davi. What a good way to start a day !
@falloutghoul1
@falloutghoul1 Жыл бұрын
Davi, your insight into these music compositions is always so interesting to hear. The funeral aspect makes total sense from a lore perspective.
@beabaldock236
@beabaldock236 Жыл бұрын
Wow this is awesome . David explaoing the soul music .The background and dark side. David is so like Dan in his mannerisms.
@beabaldock236
@beabaldock236 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Davi.
@avforizs
@avforizs Жыл бұрын
What a great analysis of this track! The way you went into detail and explained the different parts and interpretation of the music was very good. This is truly an intense song and beautifully done. The way this piece is done brings out the emotions of listeners. Amazing track! 😊 Thank you for sharing your interpretation. 🙂 Congratulations on reaching 100K! 🎉
@scinder.
@scinder. Жыл бұрын
I've always thought that the transition into phase two for the princes always sounded almost exactly like the transition we hear with Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower in Bloodborne
@dyroth
@dyroth Жыл бұрын
Yuka loves doing that transition, it’s the exact same chord progression, awesome for main characters like this
@kaiser9598
@kaiser9598 7 ай бұрын
I love these breakdowns. They're so interesting and I also just like listening to the music once more!
@qxjr9597
@qxjr9597 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos and how you analyze and pull apart music from especially souls games I would love to see you do a video on remnant 2 music specifically the red prince and the faelin kings those are my favorite from the game
@LadyAriana.
@LadyAriana. Жыл бұрын
I love your videos, shows how significant music can be.
@duxae1617
@duxae1617 Жыл бұрын
This fight makes you feel bad. Until this moment most players think they are fairly justified but here is where you begin to question what your mission. As the Prince lies dying he says "Mark my words Ashen One, you remain among the accursed." If my character could speak he would have said "I know."
@grassblock7668
@grassblock7668 Жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff, I've been binge watching these reactions since I found out about them, it's incredible to see you figure out the story solely with the music. Here's some tracks I suggest you check out: Oceiros (DS3) Nashandra (DS2) Burnt Ivory King (DS2)
@matiasluukkanen7718
@matiasluukkanen7718 Жыл бұрын
God-Devouring Serpent from Elden Ring would be interesting option to react to.
@elmanuv9787
@elmanuv9787 8 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your reaction, great energy from you, keep going!!!! Greets from Costa Rica!
@zinglociabatta3205
@zinglociabatta3205 Жыл бұрын
I was waiting so much for this one! Love your videos!!
@SophisticatedGoat222
@SophisticatedGoat222 Жыл бұрын
It's worth noting this song uses the same motif as an unused track for Lothric Castle. So at some point in development, it was intended you'd hear a track as you're exploring the area to approach this boss, and then when you get there you get essentially a sadder and more intense version of the same song.
@tanyuwei1995
@tanyuwei1995 7 ай бұрын
Always amazed at how accurately he can describe the bosses just based on music alone
@zacthesecretweapon9931
@zacthesecretweapon9931 Жыл бұрын
If you are open to suggestion. - Darkeater Midir - Slave knight Gael Both of them are from Dark souls 3 and both of them have great OST.
@johnI-fd6ui
@johnI-fd6ui Жыл бұрын
"This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here too, if you like." ~Lothric when they kill you
@dumbo1950
@dumbo1950 Жыл бұрын
The song to me feels like matoi sakuraba cuz usually his songs are very lit and he likes using the harpsichord it's used everywhere in ds1 and in specific songs in ds3 like nameless king
@imacop4275
@imacop4275 Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you’ve done twin princes!! As crazy as it might sound with all the crazy pieces in ds3 you’ve heard, twin princes actually takes the cake for me for the best track in the game. I feel like it gets slept on a bit. 😂
@subject_of_ymir
@subject_of_ymir Жыл бұрын
This theme, this boss fight always makes me very sad. Also including the lore of these twin brothers.
@stephanie_jjb
@stephanie_jjb Жыл бұрын
The twin princes, lorien and lothric were meant to battle of the soul of cinder and then lothric would have lit the first flame, but because of the scholar that helped raise him, lothric wanted to see the cycle of fire end. You are very much correct that his destiny has been decided. As lothric tells his brother they are cursed. That curse is to forever fight the endless stream of Ashen warriors trying to return their souls to the kiln of the flame
@michaelharrison6768
@michaelharrison6768 Жыл бұрын
I think the cord is left unresolved at the end because until the death of Lorian and Lothrick the fate of the world is decided, the fire will fade and only dark will remain. When the player kills them the fate of the world is left undecided again, hence leaving the end of the song unresolved.
@fallenarchami5439
@fallenarchami5439 Жыл бұрын
Always get excited for a soulsborne Davi upload
@fantomeduchateaux8136
@fantomeduchateaux8136 Жыл бұрын
"Resignation" What a perfect word for that boss "Let it all fade into nothing"
@Aya_Albion
@Aya_Albion Жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always. I love this piece. It's so noble and poignant. It's easily one of my favorites of DS3 music, Yuka Kitamura's work, and the entire FromSoft franchise. I love the intertwining strings part. Its unsettling yet beautiful melody makes me feel the complex emotions of the brothers, their love and hate, their bond and curse. Really amazing. What I love the most about Kitamura-san's music is that it beautifully expresses the world-building of the games and the characters, and makes the battles dramatic and effective, while also having a universal appeal that resonates with the souls of many people who don't play the game. Thanks for the video, Davi!
@GiraffeDGod
@GiraffeDGod 4 ай бұрын
Leaving the song unresolved could be the abrupt end of life or the continuous cycle for more music , as the song does loop during gameplay and Darksouls is about futility of ages as each age is part of a cycle looping to one another
@spamielentertainment
@spamielentertainment Жыл бұрын
Does anyone else feel like at 15:37 it can lead directly into Plin Plin Plon?
@hydration4333
@hydration4333 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent analysis, the prince's tragic fate is their death which is fated and they wait in their room for it so the connection to a tragic fate and requiem is perfect!!
@5391andrew
@5391andrew Жыл бұрын
Davi, muito bom ver você com 100k , parabéns ❤🎉 continue com esse incrível trabalho de destrinchar emoções nas musicas
@ceadvin3767
@ceadvin3767 Жыл бұрын
i've heard this song so many times, and it still give me chills at the 1:15 part
@latiaos11
@latiaos11 Жыл бұрын
I think the fact that it was left unresolved at the end, but the resolving was very present along the track is the Princes willingness to finally die and rest, but it's absence at the end is bc the Lords of Cinder can't rest and are brought back to their senses bc of the course, so they are deprived of their final rest
@maia_ii2381
@maia_ii2381 11 ай бұрын
Your english is very clear. I can understand you very well when you're talking. I love this content, you have a new follower in me ❤
@DaviVasc
@DaviVasc 11 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@Wolie318
@Wolie318 Жыл бұрын
The theme of resolution is so interesting because, thematically, this boss represents someone who refused to sacrifice themselves, even at the fate of the world. Until the player arrives, practically the grim reaper, here to kill the boss so that the cycle may continue.
@DurpyKraken
@DurpyKraken Жыл бұрын
Great analysis! I would suggest to look into some lies of p music. The boss themes as well as the records 😃
@NocnaGlizda
@NocnaGlizda Жыл бұрын
09:10 - Someone can't dodge this attack? Come on son. Whose gameplay footage is this? Also great video sir! There is something interesting about the analysis of pieces by music enthusiasts.
@Inuzumi
@Inuzumi 11 ай бұрын
Just noticed you already covered Laurence's theme. Great video btw. Have you listened to the Moon Presence's theme yet? It's pure horror combined with the calm and lamenting soulsborne credit song.
@atomlight5568
@atomlight5568 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I've seen your video listening to touhou music and your analysis flabbergasted me haha, I've never seen anyone analyse music your way, but I'm shocked I didn't find flip arfage from ar tonelico on your channel..
@ChasFilmz
@ChasFilmz Жыл бұрын
Dark Souls 3 is a masterpiece, and your videos always help me appreciate it on another level
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