Using A Cellphone Cooler On A CPU?

[@menhirmike]

That's a testament to power management/throttling in modern CPUs, we're long beyond the days of K6's and Cyrixes cooking themselves to death because of lack of built-in thermal management.

[@volvo09]

Yes, it has come a LONG way.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

While throttling is a bit more recent, even the K7 chips would turn off when getting too hot.

[@Drewtheelder]

A K6 was my first-ever build a long long time ago.

[@volvo09]

@@HappyBeezerStudios i can't recall exactly but I remember the first open die athlons being "targeted" for no thermal protection, or bad thermal protection. I believe outlets were yanking coolers off cpu's and sometimes the chip would die instead of turning off... With a fan failure it would survive since the temp rise was gradual, but abusing the chip with a sudden no cooler situation would kill them (or some of them). This was back in my dialup days reading overclocking and CPU stuff, I never tested it for myself, but I remember some outlet covering it.

[@Pasi123]

That reminds me of the famous Tom's Hardware CPU cooling video where the K7 Athlon burns itself

[@alltheotherhandlesaretaken]

Next year, we’ll see Intel and AMD including one in the box as a “stock cooler”

[@aerospherology2001]

shrinkflation

[@davidhines7592]

PLEASE NO. dont give them ideas 🤣

[@pptemplar5840]

The Wraith coolers aren't that bad, Even Intel stock is going to be "fine" in most cases, just a shame that when they updated it, all the update amounted to was really a cheaper way to manufacturer something of the same performance instead of you know, better performance.

[@psiklops71]

they bought their new coolers at temu

[@beasty7063]

What’s the difference I thought the stock cooler was for a phone

[@ItisDylan]

5:33 When this music starts playing, you know Dawid starts to release his inner mad scientist

[@schizofennec]

it has a very mythbusters feel, which is fitting, since most of what we do here is fucking ar- i mean science

[@chandlerbing7570]

ok

[@Lorenzo_Talpinum]

sonuvabeech

[@martijnt1353]

when terms as "bareback" are used, you know we are past the science phase..

[@plndkid]

😂@@schizofennec

[@AndersHass]

The fact the cooler isn’t pressured down other than with gravity it is impressive it still can transfer heat away as well as it did.

[@nanaki-seto]

No doubt The general idea of a low power pelt and hsf gives me a few ideas for a real build in a very small form factor. If i could get say a little better than stock cooling on a rig powerful enough to run my security cam software that needs good cpu and gpu id be quite a happy camper. I need like a i5 6th gen and a 1080 for gpu to run it with out lag time between camera and what is displayed

[@CaveyMoth]

Yeah, where are the zip ties?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I feel like the lattepanda would benefit from a retest with proper mounting. Get a metal ship, optimally copper, to bridge the gap and have it properly mounted down with enough pressure.

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

cracking the die seems really likely this way

[@jierenzheng7670]

Why not remove the back and magnets and put the actual cooling plate part that is cooling on to the lattepanda, maybe the Z height this time will work.

[@ketheridgeshow]

Next video: Cooling an iPhone 13 with a Wraith Stealth cooler!

[@raven4k998]

hell no why on earth would he pit that cooler to cool such a cool tech product it would be pointless😲😲

[@TheCustomFHD]

It wouldn't work well, as it cant go under the surrounding temperature.. its essentially just as effective as having a fan pointed at your phone. The reason those small things manage to do anything, is cuz of that peltier element cooling below ambient temperature

[@ketheridgeshow]

@@TheCustomFHDit wasn’t meant to be serious, but I can’t imagine adding a lot of thermally conductive mass and a fan to any chip-style heat source not having a positive effect

[@ketheridgeshow]

Assuming you’re able to make a thermal bridge across the phone housing to the heat producing chip

[@raven4k998]

@@ketheridgeshow and that is the biggest issue I see with that cooler because the phones case is a thermal impedance to that things cooling power plain and simple🤣🤣

[@gmcanepa]

I fully expect Dawid to accidentally solve fusion power one of these days.

[@AnnaDoes]

That would be amazing

[@joseph0-w1l]

Yes I agree

[@tealdolphin3721]

In fact, I even concur.

[@iangc]

I am in accord with that

[@NP_Com]

You have my full consent.

[@namename-cl8kk]

100%

[@R3AL-AIM]

Can't argue

[@Tankdmps]

That fan genuinely looks like a mcdonalds happy meal toy

[@poeticsilence047]

Beyblade

[@delsydsoftware]

I played around with peltiers for cooling the print bed of a homemade chocolate printer. I had 2 peltiers stacked on top of each other, with a water-cooling block cooling the stack off. I was able to get the aluminum print bed down to 20f. But, double-stacking peltiers is super inefficient, power wise...which is exactly why you should try a double-stack with water cooling! Most peltiers go up to 12 volts, so it's easy enough to use the 12v rail from a PC power supply to run them.

[@strider_hiryu850]

i feel like the real stand out champion of this video was the stock cooler included with the AMD. i mean holy COW. i've seen Dawid have MUCH worse experiences with much less stock coolers.

[@DreuScuhDoo]

Would love to see more vids like this was really expecting a small fire to spawn at some point

[@Unassuming_Troll]

The reason the phone cooler wasn't working as expected isn't because it's small, but because peltier coolers need to have a "thermal mass" much like the metal plate you'd attach to your iphone in order to buffer and move the heat to the other side. Attaching a peltier directly to a cpu causes the peltier to heat up along side the cpu greatly decreasing its performance while increasing the amount of electricity is needed to pump heat to the other side, to remedy this, you'll need to attach a "thicc" slab of metal between the cpu and the cold side of the peltier to serve as the "thermal mass".

[@bulletpunch9317]

What metal plate? Theres already is one inside the peltier.

[@Unassuming_Troll]

@@bulletpunch9317 Read my comment again to answer your question.

[@bulletpunch9317]

@@Unassuming_Troll theres no extra metal plate to attach to your iphone. What are you on about?

[@DimkaTsv]

​​@@bulletpunch9317your phone by itself is big slab of metal which takes on thermal mass and spreads it. Compated to power output of CPU+GPU in phone it is...

[@bulletpunch9317]

@@DimkaTsv these coolers work well on full plastic phones too.

[@chrissavill8713]

I used to have a peltier cooler called the Eliminator. It worked for years and dropped my temps to around 11-12 degrees C at full blast. It used a lot of power but in them days electric was cheap so that wasn't a worry

[@volvo09]

I remember wanting a peltier cooler for my and K6-3... It was almost stable at a 100mhz overclock from 350 to 450mhz, and I figured that a better cooler would make it happen. I delidded that chip and went direct die also. That's when it was allllllmost stable but would crash occasionally and figured a peltier would get it working.... Plus they were interesting.

[@SidneyCritic]

Yeah, power usage is a problem with peltier.

[@privacyhelp]

bruh today electric cost always increasing and not cheap anymore

[@arx117]

​@@privacyhelpback in the day, i assumed it's 90's

A lot back in time, some guys at a French VG magazine tried to cool a Pentium IV CPU with a Peltier. They nearly froze the CPU to death in a few seconds while it was at full load, which means a lot when you remember how those Pentium IV were getting hot.

[@fxgamer-11yt]

False pelteir coolers are not efficient enough to cool anything that's why we don't use them also cooler master had a cooler with a pelteir in it and it's still ass till this day ltt done videos on them and derbuer has a video on the cooler master cooler that has it in it soo also pentuim 4 cpus run at 40c on newer coolers back in the day the coolers we used where ass

[@fxgamer-11yt]

A pelteir cooler can only cool up to 70% of its energy cost meaning if it's use 120 Watson it would only be able to keep something with a heat cost of 80 watts so maybe a low end cpu but it won't be freezing it

[@7838-h2d]

it was the end of the 90s everything was possible efficiency was only for gas

[@unionofslavstanrepublics2317]

How to make your CPU fry an egg: Dawid Does Tech Stuff edition

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Yes please.

[@SiRubin-r9x]

no ur wrong the answer is : place an egg on my overheating laptop

[@AnnaDoes]

From 5:57 I genuinely held my breath thinking I was gonna see fire.

[@MoultrieGeek]

Hopefully you remembered to pay the insurance premium first.

[@AnnaDoes]

I checked so fast haha @@MoultrieGeek

[@ninj3x687]

Extinguishers aren’t cheap 😅

[@falcon6329]

im impressed this thing can even run this cpu at 23 watts. My laptop would turn off at 20 watts.

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

Honestly man, you can run a 5300G on a literal slice of metal, and it won't do anything except drop the clocks and power-limit to keep it running. Newer Ryzen CPU's are nearly impossible to thermally harm unless you tweak things in the BIOS. Even the 7000 series that tends to run warm, you can cool a 7950X with a Wraith Stealth and it'll run fine, just at a lower clock-speed (not recommended unless you're Dawid, just making the point).

[@familyfundays2023]

Loving your content from a cross the pond in the UK

[@666Counterforce]

Back in the early 2000s my friends and I were already thinking about using Peltier cooling for PCs - never done it tho

[@volvo09]

You could find it done back then. It wasn't super common, but I spent a lot of time on overclocker forums around 00.

[@salmonsoup15]

this video gives me 1 metric head injury

[@gabrielcotrim574]

bro really liked the titan army monitor

[@Jay_the_Caffeinator]

Awesomesauce video, Dawid!! There's nothing like making cooling potential look cool. And YES!!! I want to see Peltier coolers

[@Rintero_Pryde]

Great video! That little cooler definitely punches above its weight class. I would have liked to see how it would do with fps capped at 60 as well- I bet temps would have been in the 70s

[@darrylp6938]

I have thoroughly enjoyed Dawid's transition from total neckbeard nerd to computer Jesus in the span of the last three years

[@raven4k998]

no tim just bareback🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@vdochev]

I sense a lot of throttling in this video. Of the thermal variety.

[@DeaD1te]

peltier plates, hearing those words takes me back about 15-20 years lol

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

been a while since peltier cooler was in my vocabulary. Always wondered why nothing came of that.

[@ffftube-le8np]

Yep back in the early 2000s and late 1990s we used to overclock cpu like this. Main issue was condensation if I recall correctly.

[@mrnlce7939]

Actually surprised the magnets didn't brick the CPUs. Great video. Keep up the good work.

[@BenState]

why would they?

[@mrnlce7939]

Magnets interfere with electrical conduction. @@BenState

[@BenState]

@@mrnlce7939 Magnets dont affect conduction. Either way, no interference at the scale and voltages in a cpu, otherwise we'd have issues with the fans.

[@ttttakahashi]

Thanks!

[@LukeTheJoker]

I'm actually impressed it could run a 20w chip fairly well, I didn't realise it had a peltier in it, I wonder how many watts it pulls? They are supposed to be pretty inefficient.

[@matthewrichardson2533]

Love your vids Dawid! You make me feel good about my very lower midrange tech.

[@awaisyousaf]

The cooler didn't perform well because it was plugged into a standard USB port instead of a high-power source. As a result, it couldn't draw enough power to operate at maximum capacity.

[@tayk7100]

I love this channel and love that you're Canadian too

[@SurferSandman]

I love all of Dawid's ideas. He does the things I think about but have no resources to actually do it. Thanks Dawid!

[@mukkah]

Dawid's editing is on point. Not once did I see one of the several fire extinguishers surely out of shot lolol ^_^' ~a random canadian subscriber dude

[@Lord_Reset]

Got one of these delivered the day this came out, fun!

[@swaggynachos]

Now this is true enginuity, super glad you did this!

[@Mio96O-O]

I swear to god dawid do everything but normal stuff 💀

[@BowsettesFury]

That’s why we’re here 🙂

[@TheGangster-uc4rk]

I wonder how much power you can generate with a peltier if you put the hotside on a CPU...

[@thesilentwalker069]

i wanted to test this too , glad you doing the testing .

[@mayuravirus6134]

As someone whose recently just used a phone cooler you'll need to have 2 phone cooler 1 that works as exhaust and one that is working as intake with just 1 that intakes air it would essentially be a space heater

[@TasoKeya]

you make each video an unforgettable learning adventure!

[@989coolerplayz6]

that tiny peltier module really put up a show

[@andrewshobbybasement]

As someone who's played around with peltiers before, the main issue is that they don't get cold enough to negate the heat that they produce. As such, they are only useful in very specific circumstances and it's generally more efficient to just cut out the middleman and make direct contact with the heatsink.

[@privacyhelp]

but for smartphone, peltier cooler is better than just a fan

[@a12_1]

he does things like that with mid-high end PC parts while there are people like me who wish they even had access to this type of components

[@XuroX.]

Yes, please do more weird/home made type coolers like this

[@alyssalovethedj]

Now that you got the fan open though you should take that part that's covered in thermal paste and stick that directly to the processor

[@MichaelAirbnbHost]

I agree, maybe he didn't want it to work

[@jonas_k.123]

I actually though about this stupid shit idea this morning, funny to see a video about it later that day

[@denisruskin348]

I was expecting it to crash the moment you got into the BFV menu. The surprise is immesurable and my day isn't ruined by any means.

[@Mercenary1964]

Back in the pentium days, we used to use the older (all copper) pennies to bridge any sort of gap like the one you encountered with your raspberry Pi. They are remarkably efficient at transferring heat. I'm a little disappointed you didn't try that...

[@CantankerousDave]

I remember reading about companies dabbling with Peltier CPU coolers back in the early 2000s. Probably in Maximum PC. I'm not sure if any of them ever reached the market, though.

[@MarcosCodas]

It’d be cool to see this experiment with one of those “liquid cooling” solutions for higher-end gaming phones!

[@charlesjmouse]

Apple 'engineers': "Why has that CPU got a huge cooler on it..?

[@darkdestwoyer]

I do like the Idea. There is also a possible StepUp as you used a 6cm Diameter Version and there is a 10cm one for Tablets.

[@GeForce210]

Dawid did you try over-clocking GF 210 and comparing it with HD 630 (7th gen intel cpus igpu)

[@thunder4dyt615]

After 5 hours wen I'm though this type experiment you tube sujeste this video

[@keliangchan]

i use a similar one(about 10cm diameter) to cool 7900xtx reference version, removed the backplate of the gpu and it can magnetize to it, put a 2.5mm thermal pad in the gap, it also includes a insulating film to avoid short circult, it works.

[@4_ist403]

I literally rewound 10 seconds to see the shroud pop up cuz i was eating and looking at my food XD love the Shroud

[@ewasteredux]

I really think you should try the peltier coolers in more detail. I have built several projects using them and they are very neat (as long as they can dissipate the heat THEY generate on the opposing side). eBay has some pseudo refrigeration units using them that are interesting if not slightly comical. Depending on wattage, you can use a motor speed controller to adjust the power going to the peltier modules if you choose to make them adjustable.

[@dhananjayn457]

peltier chips are not very efficient but if you can negate the effects of condensation ,i would choose a peltier based cooler opposed to normal coolers.i think you should do a vedio on Peltier modules by hanginn the motherboard upside down so the condensed water does not drip into the motherboard..i dont know why cooler manufacturers hasnt taught about this..please do try it out,..it may even go viral like that directed airflow case that optimium did..

[@volvo09]

Any modern peltier cooler worth it's salt monitors ambient air temp to not over cool the CPU. Past ambient. But modern CPU's create too much heat for a peltier to handle and cool past ambient while under load anyways.... It's idle when you run into condensation trouble.

[@Scypher0th]

My favorite tech tube channel BAR NONE! Even better than LTT, this channels videos feel much more down to earth and fun to watch than any LTT vide produced to date! Every time i watch a LTT video i feel bored and like im being talked down to, and like im watching a scripted corporation paid for show. YOU GOOD SIR keep thing is fresh, fun and down to earth! AND the editing and everything about your videos feel holesome and warm! I never miss a Dawid tech video!!!

[@heffe2001]

Wonder if temps would have been different without the aluminum plate on the bottom, and the peltier sitting directly on the CPU heat spreader?

[@gleipnirfenrir]

default fan cooler for cpu actually weird, the centre doesn't have the direct wind, the wind fan goes side

[@Raintiger88]

Not sure what went through you head when you decided to make this, but I like it.

[@HowieDune]

Why not do a test with thermal paste?

[@Goatfer]

These results make it seem that its the power throttling doing more to keep temps down. I wonder if just a chunk copper would work better.

[@mrkrabsx8669]

You really should do the same video but with a cooler from a gaming phone, those are very powerful and can cool below 0° in some cases you can even see the ice forming on the lower plate

[@SKRGamingChannel]

new video = new tech torture

[@Jay88051]

A phone cooler,haven't watched the video yet but that's crazy fam😂😂 can't wait to watch it

[@TheTekknician]

This is such a ridiculous project that I am craving for more! :)

[@Xorthis]

I experimented with peltier coolers back in the 2000s. They 'should' be awesome, and 'active cooling' sounds amazing, but they have a fundamental flaw. They move heat through them by using power. If there's no power applied, or more heat than the power you use with them, they turn into an insulator. Think of it like a doorman. If the doorman is given a donut (power), he will pull a person waiting in line through the door with a ton of force, very quickly. But if there's more people than donuts, he won't let enough people through and the line gets massive. So, lets say you want to cool your 90W CPU. Your peltier needs to be consuming at least 90W to get the heat away from the CPU. On a 5v 2.4A USB connection, that a maximum of 12W cooling available... and that's why your CPU was power limiting itself to not go much over 20W once the thermal capacity of the cooler was reached. (Due to conduction, some heat was passively making it's way to the copper cooling fins. If you wanted to use a 200W CPU, it may be possible, but you're going to need a 17A peltier on 12v to do that... and they cost around $300! Back to my experiments with peltier coolers, they were all incredibly bad. I was shocked at how poorly they performed, despite having a bigger thermal mass than my old cooler. This is why you never see peltier coolers used for PC cooling these days. Oh, and the other issue? The cold plate can get too cold if it's not adjusting power to match the CPU's draw, producing condensation. And you don't want condensation on your CPU cold plate...

[@Adamsgotgame]

What a cooler! I'm interested in more use cases with it 😊.

[@thegrafxguy1]

full on send it! that's why i love your channel. the stupid videos are the best videos on this channel, lol!

[@philjtephenson41]

Lunatic, absolutely certifiable, love it!

[@alvaroyaeggy3540]

Maybe if you apply liquid metal between the cold side and the metal, in the inner part of the s6 cooler it will improve the thermal transfer rate

[@Aar0n2009]

Please play around with this more. It would be interesting to see what you come up with.

[@fraudlawyer]

finally found a video to satify my curiousity

[@bishopworks3203]

Back in the early 2000s there used to be a cooler called the Ultra ChillTec which employed a Peltier effect thermoelectric cooler slapped on the bottom of a very large heatsink... I have one but lack the mounting hardware. Would be interesting to see how it holds up to something like a modern system or even something stupid like a graphics card...

[@welshtony1]

You should have done a 3rd test with no cooler just to prove if that cooler actually was doing anything at all.

[@GeneralNickles]

You might be able to get even better performance out of it if it had any amount of mounting pressure. Not sure how you'd accomplish that though.

[@dhananjayn457]

the fact that it could run half life 2 at 30 fps blows my mind

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The fact that it doesn't get more is the real surprise. A 2003-era midrange card could do 55 fps on 1600x1200. And remember that that is that era's equivalent of 4k today. In 1280x1024 you'd get almost 80 fps.

[@joe--cool]

@@HappyBeezerStudios You do realize the Ryzen slowed itself down and cut power by a lot when reaching TJMax? It's amazing it didn't just turn off, which it does when ran without a cooler (unless it blows up during POST).

[@MisterFoxton]

Guys, the Lattepanda was running HL2 at 35 FPS. You know, the $240 PC the size of a calculator? Not talking the Ryzen here. That's nuts.

[@dhananjayn457]

@@MisterFoxton i didnt know it was 240 dollars...thats a bummer

[@dhananjayn457]

@@HappyBeezerStudiosi didnt know it was 240 dollars, also the whole system was still smaller than a graphics card

[@OrizaMahendra]

couldn't wait for your next videos about it Sir.

[@scypher45]

You should try using the phone cooler again with the peltier directly on the IHS of the CPU. You removed that bottom plate and it was using thermal paste, but you could remove that bottom plate completely out of the equation. Probably increasing cooling

[@annieworroll4373]

I'd look at a copper shim instead of the thermal pad for the latte panda. Better heat transfer that way and a bonus chance for sparkies if you do something wrong.

[@BoneFrossil]

I wish you tried it with thermal paste too…I wanted to see if it could compete with an actual cooler.

[@junko4166]

ZEN 3's great power management really helped out the lil baby cooler here tbh.

[@JFHeroux]

I wanted to see what happenned to the temps on the Panda when the little cooler interface with the CPU using a piece of copper or some other metal that conducts heat way better than that stupid thermal pad...

[@Marbeary]

If ever hardware are sentient we might hear there screams of terror as they approach Dawid's House. Absolute mad lab I love it.

[@Heythisismychannel]

I did this before I ever even saw the video. Glad I’m not the only one who thought of it

[@dzxtricks]

Yes please play more with peltier, I want to see if GPUs can be supported by that too, or even water cooler, or whatever really just slap peltier on it

[@irkalla100]

Me, watching this with headphones in the living room, just whispering "no.... no.... noooooo!....ohhhh no" and my expression must be a mix of laughter and about to cry, and then I notice my family, who is in the room doing their own thing, have all turned and are looking at me worried. Love this channel so much

[@TXTech]

you should try again on raspberry pie while opened cooler with thermal element and thermal paste (i think it will fit perfectly after cooler bottom case), i would like to blame eternal cover of this cooler for performing less

[@Lhirstev]

I wanna see you place that heatsink back on the pi, buuut with a solid copper block between the two.

[@Alexst0rey]

Sometimes i'm convinced that Dawid doesn't fight intuitive thoughts, he is powered by them.

[@chasewilltin8567]

Get a long vapor chamber and put as many peltzier on top, then add some coolers on top of of it.

[@thebard20]

Dawid answering questions no one else had the balls to ask I love it

[@maple__m00n1]

This shit can't even cool a dammed pentium from the Dark Ages

[@EinSwitzer]

close / using a cell phone to do frequency emf things to help overclock and design new architectures

[@StephenJoines]

I do like the stupid, crazy crap you do. Very entertaining.