Day 2 silversides bus project

[@pepitogamez]

Hi, I really like your videos repairing old trucks. My dad, who died two years ago was a driver of the "Sultana" buses here in Mexico at the tourism company called "Three Gold Stars" that was traveling from Mexico City It was Acapulco. I really appreciate your videos. They make me remember my old father. Regards!

[@drewmiller3462]

I love these old Silversides for their beauty and simplicity. No airbags to leak and amazing how that axle was only held in by a thin steel plate and a spring.

[@soillife1]

This buss needs years of tender loving care. Your getting a good start this week Scott.

[@michaelh7335]

I was taught a long time ago by a old guy I worked with that running a high speed drill bit at high speed was actually the incorrect way to drill metal. He always got mad and yelled to slow down. Drilling wood is fast, drilling metal is slow. I think my bits stay sharper in metal when running lower rpm. Love the channel.

[@siaripop7]

Heat is the problem with any drilling, so you are correct, although Tap Magic and other lubricants also help keep drill bits cool. The rule of thumb is that the harder the metal, the slower the revolutions need to be, while also increasing pressure. Ideally, it is better to see small chips breaking off rather than long spirals moving up the drill bit.

[@johnsweda2999]

No not the case the other way around. if you drill wood fast it will melt drill tip. this guy was talking crap

[@Wayoutthere]

​@@johnsweda2999 What is wrong with you?

[@johnsweda2999]

@@Wayoutthere what do you mean what's wrong with me? I'm trying to point out what he's saying is BS being a tool maker I know speeds do vary on different types of metals your cutting but you do not run it slow for like cutting wood, so what's your point

[@rudedog302]

Agree drilling hard steel is always done at slow speed with plenty of heavy loading on the drill, and plenty of drill oil. The harder the material the slower the speed. I guarantee if you were drilling Titanium, and spun the bit up that quick, you would smoke the tip, and turn the titanium blue, and make it even more brittle for your trouble.

[@ericdee6802]

Your channel is excelling in my opinion. You have bus groupies swarming In from town to lend a hand with positive attitudes and lots of team work. Thanks for sharing your video.

[@paulettebowski]

I have never been into buses but you make your video so interesting I can't stop watching them very well done

[@jacobholstein3813]

It's been an absolute pleasure helping work on this project!

[@henryrudolph1952]

Hi from New Zealand, I could watch you gentlemen working on this bus all day. But I have to go to work. It's interesting hearing the history of these buses and quirky stories. Your expertise and knowledge in dismantling the bus are amazing. You never explained why that back axal had a gear/sprocket mechanism in the hub of the wheel. Thank you for sharing this with the world.

[@Daniel-np8zo]

It's nice to see a another bus getting closer to getting back on the road... but the best I saw in this video was watching a group of guys come together and wrench on something in unity....language was mild for the repairs going on lol...

[@NJP76]

This is something you don't see very often these days. You are right, it really is good to see how everyone is coming together. We could use more of this in today's world.

[@NebukedNezzer]

My father was a machine design engineer and my uncle was a farmer. between them I learned a lot. I was advised that if you can detect any roughness on a roller or ball bearing replace it as it will not live long otherwise.

[@jayben00]

Certainly has been a “near death” experience for this bus. Angels to the rescue!

[@kevinhamling1963]

G'day Kevin from Australia. The bus community now has a new saying. HAY LANCE. ✌

[@daedster1]

hahahahahahaha

[@daedster1]

Just remembered, had a young fella Conner, often fcuked things up on building site "fcuk sake Conner" was the saying loooong time after he was gone

[@soillife1]

We bale , Hay, Also 😉🌺🌻

[@hartsfire5706]

I worked on 2 old diamond reo trucks 1 dump and one tractor that had the same axel setup. it took me a good long time to finger out how to get things apart the first time. aww the days of working on real iron not the tin crap of today.

[@siaripop7]

Those rollers in the bearing @ 13:00 are hardened steel, so showing that much wear really says it all! Nice to see all the new Bus Grease Monkeys hard at work and giving Scott some easy time coaching the crew while enjoying the camaraderie and giggles!

[@jamesshanks2614]

Those rear axles, I've never seen axle hubs like those before. All I have to say is you having your own 3751 gave you the experience and knowledge to work on these old buses. Might be a pain in the rear right now but when he's traveling in her he will appreciate the work you gents put into her all the more. That's the first time I've seen a muffler on the right side of the engine bay. I just wonder how much oil is in the air tanks and if you find a bit of oil I think you should pull apart the brake diaphragms to see if they are filled with oil and whether or not the diaphragm is any good. Presuming you have water paste it might be worth while to check the fuel tank for water. Buddy of mine started out a one bus one man charter company using a 4104 and before he pulled it out of the yard where it sat for 5 years took a 5 inch piece of steel rod, coated it with water paste tied a heavy string to in and when he pulled it out it showed 5 inches of water in it. He drained over 70 gallons of water from the fuel tank. The guy he bought it from his son a teenager admitted to running the garden hose into the fuel tank because he didn't want to travel in it. I suspect it will take a lot New hoses of all kinds to prevent a catastrophic failure on the road. Nice to see an old girl brought back to life.

[@mikemullay5622]

I hope this particular customer has deep pockets. Lots of work to be done. That busted engine cradle is a real concern.

[@patlandy21]

That cradle is the best challenge... weld it up and machine it, OR.... pin it together and get out the "Green Sand"!!! fun stuff guys

[@barrymentze6740]

Great to see this work getting done to preserve history. I have a 42 power wagon that has a lot of the same mechanical workings. Really easy to work on, no complexity, takes tons of abuse and neglect, rarely failed. Keep it up!

[@bob_atwestmi_fl_us7812]

I do respect the determination the owner (& you have) of that bus has. I would take one look at that thing and run for the hills and never look over my shoulder. I can imagine in a couple years from now it could be a total different beast. Just getting from here to there just seems overwhelming.

[@barkleygentry2504]

Enjoy the videos where Tyler helps you. Looks like you had lots of good help. I would imagine it is hard being the field marshal when you are used to be working by yourself!

[@MrFuncat]

You learn something new every day. Never seen an axle like that before.

[@eric61443]

Wear some safety glasses when drilling or grinding if you value your sight guys!

[@bnkwupt]

It’s great to see so many people coming out to work on this pre-war beast. Great video!

[@earlrichardet2102]

Great job today. Really appreciate that you are putting up new videos each day as you proceed through all the work. keep up the good work and looking forward to the next video adventure.

[@silasmarner7586]

Really nice work on backing those screws out. Well done everybody. Lotta deferred maintenance!!!!

[@tbirdsteve1]

Tell me you guys have the biggest, best parts washer going on........ lol. My ocd is going off!!! LOVE these videos.

[@buddy240577]

Hello from South Africa. Enjoying your channel immensely. Cheers from Ryan.

[@waynep343]

Left hand drill bit tips. Drill with double ended 1/8" righthand drills from auto body supplies for slide hammer use. A hole in the broken faster usually 3/16" deep. Come in with a larger left hand drill at a crazy slow speed with a lot of pressure to get the left hand drill to dig in and bind in the broken fastener. This will usually get the fastener out. Sometimes you have to drill all the way thru the fastener with the 1/8" drill bit to get some lube behind it. Making sure that if you feel the drill bit hit a hollow. You have drilled thru the length of the fastener and will be ruining the part. I was shown a torn down engine. The owner did not stop when he drilled thru the freeze plug to pry it out. He drilled thru the cylinder wall. The piston skirt. And deep into the connecting rod. The engine was back at the engine builder as it leaked coolant into the oil pan rather quickly. Some drill motors don't go slow enough to take advantage of left hand drills.

[@nashguy207]

Hey Lance!!! LOL I think this bus has a lot of hey Lance's. Man those bearings and races were used up for sure. Looks like that bus had been neglected for a lot of years and miles but you can get it back in shape Scott!!! Keep up the good work.

[@SilversidesSage]

They had been in there since 1953!

[@davekimbler2308]

So the race is off and here comes Scott up the back stretch with heartaches looking at the insides and the bus was really not at fault ! That dang song was going through my head as you were working on the axles .

[@robertsanders6463]

In all my years of working with bearing, that is the worst taper bearing I have other seen before total failure! Great discovery!

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jn2kg3SBYptnfKs watch this one

[@bruceshenkel6991]

Those bearings are some tired looking Timken's .I've worked on a lot of different pieces of machinery that used Timken bearings . Always been a good product world wide.

[@tmackx]

All I'm thinking is safety glasses with that grinder!😳

[@richhiway]

That old girl must have a lot of miles behind her. Massive work to get her road worthy again. Good luck with it.

[@threeparots1]

Fascinating view once again..nice to see the pictures of the 2 buses in their heyday..this silverside has seen some neglect in its time..I hope things go smoothly.

[@63256325N]

Hey Lance?.......is going to be the "you've got trouble" phrase from now on..... Engine sounded great. Thanks for the video.

[@prevost8686]

That bus was, at some point, owned by someone who realized that they had bitten off more than they could chew. I guess we’ve all been there at one time or another. That bus would make a good parts doner for another that’s in better shape.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

The previous owner used it quits a bit in the 70’s and 80’s. But clearly maintenance on it wasn’t his thing. It’s sat since then and deteriorated

[@chuckhaynes6458]

One of the original "partners" in forming General Motors was Mott axle company. They provided axles for most all early GM products. By the '30's they had become integrated into the different GM divisions as the famous "Corporation Axle" used in cars and trucks. Many (but not all) WW2 Deuce and a halfs made by GMC and Yellow Coach Div. used a similar drive set-up on the axle ends. My 1943 Yellow Coach Div. 2 1/2 ton has Timken-Detroit axles.

[@grumpyg9350]

Fun to watch for sure.👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@paulsshop7839]

I wonder if those axles were setup like that for use in some form of planter y hub setup for other applications.

[@maidartumenbayar1290]

Very relaxing video.

[@bruceshenkel6991]

Something I never did was touch the cup surface or cone rollers with my bare fingers on a new roller bearing before it had lubricant on it. The acidity in some hands could cause premature corrosion I was told. I always handled the bearing cone's from the inside ,and the cups from the outside .I don't think it's that critical ,but that was the way my Dad told me in how to handle roller bearing assembly's

[@neilsthepoet]

Holy Moly the amount of detail knowledge yawl have....!!!!

[@johnnyhunter4345]

Lots of good folks around there...

[@Rebel9668]

Man, that's had a rough life. Timken bearings are super tough, they use them on railroad locomotives.

[@bills6093]

Nice rewarding work. It was good to see those Timken USA bearings, even if some of them were left to rot.

[@shanehaws3828]

The way that axle flanges is set up as far as the splines in the hub reminds me of the GM T170 2 speed that was in the 74 GMC 6000 carpenter body skoolie I had

[@silveradoman298]

Its awesome that all that help comes out.

[@BruceBergman]

Firestone Transport 1 is the mark sold to city transit bus lines like LA MTA. If they don't have date code marks theyre ancient. 5:41

[@jamesbell6182]

Reverse twist drills work real well removing broken bolts, most of the time they will back out on their own

[@towrecker]

they still make the nylon firestone transport 1 , well for sure a couple years ago anyways

[@cw3339]

Masochistic Definition: owning one of those Buses

[@MrMauserb]

Buuut, what else would we waste our time and money on?. At least with this hobby, we all smell like greasy garbage at the end of the day...And we have good stories to tell.

[@cw3339]

@@MrMauserb Build a boat sail the world

[@stu71disco]

£160 ( $213 ) each including VAT for those Timken rear bearings in UK,....... and why am I looking for all this at gone midnight.....ah yes the wonderful world of insomnia 😄 love the videos by the way

[@hotrodpegleg]

front hubs and some more hey lance! stuff

[@heartland96a]

Seems like this work camp concept might become the normal for future bus project's

[@NJP76]

I think it is really cool to see all these people come together like this. Shows that the Bus Community is not only alive and doing well, but also has some top notch people in it. Big time props for that.

[@rickboretirementplan]

Sat 10-19-2019 I need to be working on my motorhome, but can't stop watching.

[@thecolonel4037]

Those wheel bearings look like they were original equipment, ca 1941!!!! That cradle is going to be a Bear. Hopefully, someone has a good one available. Making a new one will be a Machinists Nightmare! And an "Interesting axle shaft arrangement, reminds me of how some heavy Mack axles were set up. 'AXE

[@SilversidesSage]

These bearing were dates 1953, and we found replacements locally.

[@timaustin110]

You need to make that into a t-shirt hey Lance

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

Kelly made the design last night before we posted this video. It’s pretty funny.

[@brisktea64]

Great Team effort great job guys :)

[@mikecabe6127]

Great Video Scott!!!

[@rayg9069]

Your left hand drill bits are interesting, they are fluted for right hand use, did you grind them L/H yourself? They are one of the most underrated tools to have in your kit as you found they do the job of drill and extractor in one and not as brittle as stud extractors. Interesting I just came in from battling with 50 year old brakes on a British Land Rover, sit and watch someone battling with 80 year old brakes ;-) At least yours will be all UN threads, Ha! Mine has a mixture of Whitworth, British Association, BSF . How they won the war amazes me. Have fun, looks like it's becoming a real social event, many hands makes light work plus just having people to bounce ideas, or spanners, off of helps the stress levels a lot. Cheers.

[@DoRC]

Looks like of like a roller seized onto the race then the race spun.

[@1crazynordlander]

A lot of hard basic mechanical work pays off in dividends as the average owner of one of these buses will probably never touch these failure areas again for the life of the bus. It will be interesting to me what you are going to do with the broken engine mount and the other arm that is supposed to move and did not and broke.

[@nizzy1057]

what a great group of folks!

[@paintnamer6403]

That is the worst wheel bearing I've seen! You have a good crew to help deal with this awesome relic!

[@larryanderson8049]

I'd get a smaller electric jack hammer using a flattened bit to loosen up frozen splines etc. also an air chisel with a dulled chisel end for small stuff.

[@96chevydually6.5L]

Great video🚌👍

[@sholinwright6621]

The axle end is a gear coupling. We used them on electric motors, but switched to jaw couplings for ease of maintenance. They allow for slight shaft misalignment.

[@notajp]

Yeah, that’s kinda what I was thinking too, but not sure why they would need it in this application. Nobody I know of has ever used it since. Just regular flanged axles in full floating setups.

[@francistheodorecatte]

woof, that poor bus got a lot of deferred maintenance before it was parked for 20 years.

[@artdenning6190]

Seeing the chisel wrench that had been used on the axle nuts. I worked for a welding supply that had a trailer brakes and bearings replaced. After about a month of running the wheel caught fire. The drive was able stop and get the tracker away. The highway was closed because of the special gasses that were on board. After dawn we were able to unload and pull the unit 80 miles to our yard. When we looked at the problem an the nuts were put on with the chisel wrench. The repair company stated they tightened to spec. until we sent them the nuts and there was no way to fit a wrench. Cost them a lot of money for repairs as well as down time for he highway closer and loss of use of the trailer etc.

[@lanceb940]

Great video. Thanks

[@rodneyhendrix1292]

Scott, Many hands make light work!!

[@ddnaomi]

"Every tool is a hammer" Eric O south main auto repair.

[@Danbuilt426]

It's. Every tool has a hammer side lol

[@erikj.2066]

"Any tool can be the right tool"- Red Green

[@JerryDodge]

"Everybody is a Tool." - Maynard James Keenan of Tool

[@jonka1]

I have found that it's the outer bearing that ends up looking like that while the inner often has little or no damage. The outer bearing is the one that gets dropped on the floor when the hub is off and very rarely will anyone bother to clean it properly so any dirt picked up with the grease goes back into the hub and works away untill this happens. Also slivers of metal from chiseling the nuts help this process.

[@rupe53]

jonka … The outside bearing wears first because it takes the brunt of the load around corners. It's also the one that runs slack when the bearing adjustment isn't correct. Part of the geometry with offset wheel hubs is they center closer to the inside bearing but any side loading is toward the outside bearing.

[@jonka1]

@@rupe53 I understand your reasoning, however this is not about wear. This is about bearings wrecking themselves due to running with dirt mixed in with the lubricant. It takes a lot of use to wear out a bearing but very little grit to destroy it. On your point about running slack. Both bearings are tensioned against each other so neither of them can be the only one to run slack and consequently neither of them can be the only one to take side loading. Have another think about the geometry of two opposed taper races.

[@rupe53]

@@jonka1 … properly adjusted and lubed everything should be ok for a LONG time. Now let me ask you what people use when they need to apply more force. A longer lever, right? The end of the bearing spindle is just that, combined with the offset of the wheel. End result is the outside bearing fails first 99% of the time. All it takes is the first flake of metal and the rest snowballs. If it were about dirt / contamination from sloppy workmanship (as you stated was common) then we'd be seeing a bunch more trucks on the side of the road.

[@jonka1]

@@rupe53 I have seen a lot of this and trucks etc are not seen on the side of the road with noisy failing bearings for lots of reasons. The main one I have found is that drivers will get back to base at all costs so as not to loose their evenings. Owners will not pay for recovery or a service call if they can avoid it. As bad as the bearing was in this bus it was still working. You are welcome to the last word as I suspect this will go on until you get it. Using shaky science to back your argument makes certain that you will learn nothing from anyone as you go through your life.

[@rupe53]

@@jonka1 .. No shaky science. Just working in the field for 50 years and recalling the words of wisdom I got from old timers 40 - 50 years ago.

[@kirkrogers6968]

Time to get a power washer, degreasers, clean and clean & clean. I would clean and save one of the rear bearings and repack it and it would be a good spare. This project is cool. Your guys need to get off the floor. Workbenches would be nice. A solvent cleaning machine would be a must. Great job.

[@gilbertfranklin1537]

Scott, you and your gaggle of helpers have made extraordinary progress. But I still wonder how much work is actually needed for this bus to be safe and reliable on the road. Do you think the owner will be able to continue all the work necessary to actually restore the pre-war cruiser without going broke? 🤔

[@timothyhays1817]

Interesting axle shaft gear on the outboard side. It look like a tractor planetary geared hub with sun gear meshing directly with the ring gear. No planet gears like on a tractor.

[@PeteRondeau]

Ahh, using the old safety squints at 21:49

[@ItsAlwaysRusty]

Looks like a very productive day.. Good times..

[@czehrbuild]

I've seen dark stains on bearing races like that before restoring old farm tractors. It's caused by the oil becoming acidic from sitting for a very long period of time and etching the bearings and races. It may explain the bearing damage that you found if it was driven like that.

[@bryceread1]

A new series of BGM T shirts- "Hey Lance..."

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

We sent lance the design last night. It goes up tomorrow.

[@NJP76]

@@BusGreaseMonkey Was just on TeeSpring...but why is Scott not the one on the shirt saying it? Still priceless. Can't wait for the shirts to get here!

[@mpstenz3520]

Is there daylight at the end of the tunnel? I like the perseverance.....

[@KPearce57]

No just an endless money pit.

[@daedster1]

@@Bill23799 hahahahahahahaha yea we got one of those - the bugger with a torch and a loooong list

[@American_Jeeper]

Great videos, love to see old, neglected vehicles resurrected. I know this question is going to sound really dickish, but I don't know of any other way to ask it, so forgive me ahead of time....when these volunteers show up to help, does the customer still get charged your regular labor rate, or is it discounted? I do think it's awesome that viewers show up to help.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

Well i don’t charge him for the free help. But i still busted my ass all day.

[@MrMauserb]

Scott's time and knowledge still have the same value, but now things get done faster. It is actually a win for all involved. Why would he discount his time because the customer gets extra work done? Economics 101.

[@American_Jeeper]

@@BusGreaseMonkey And I'm not saying you didn't, it was just a question that was going to sound crappy, no matter how I asked it.

[@108gk]

I think they needed someone with knowledge and experience to get them started. After that it's really just a series of relatively small tasks, except that motor mount and broken pivot. I can't help but wonder if those are related.

[@American_Jeeper]

@@MrMauserb I totally get that. My take is that, when I hire someone, I want their knowledgeable hands working on it, not someone who's skill set isn't known. My thinking was more along the lines of liability. If one of the volunteers accidentally screws up, and it causes a catastrophic failure, who ends up being responsible? I'm guessing Scott is insured, but these volunteers aren't.

[@asailorandhisdogslyknight5391]

Thanks for sharing, Good friends..

[@petelyczek5728]

What did you expect? This bus is older than all the Tiger tanks ever made.

[@viceroy6382]

yea you have to watch out for thos pre wwll steel rat's,they get into every thing and chew it up ! LOL Great video, stay safe .

[@brycehicks2729]

I have a pd 4103 I was wondering if there's anything special I have to do to go from 2 piece 20in wheels to 22.5 wheels on my bus this is all new territory for me sorry for asking so many questions I've always restored classic cars this is my first bus

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

Everything on this bus is fighting and kicking the whole way!!!!!!!!

[@RMTTR640]

What preload do you put the wheel bearings to??

[@robertdavis6708]

Scott talking to a Millennial .. " Why are you wearing gloves ". ?? LMAO.

[@ralphcolerick4939]

This bus looks like a money pit to me. Sorry to say that but WOW .

[@SilversidesSage]

We are well within budget.

[@stephenhunter70]

Most vehicles that old at some point "usually during restoration" are money pits.

[@frankdeegan8974]

Most toys are money pits some sooner some who knows when.

[@patchescessna7348]

Quite a few very understandable money pit comments... A good friend knew I was restoring a 1956 airplane and he asked me if I found hours flying by w/o noticing it and he said do you know what that costs in therapy? After laughing my a- off it’s clear restoring an old bus, car, boat or airplane is a labor of love and satisfaction. Its not a dollars/value basis.

[@roxanneabbott8424]

Cant wait for the next one!

[@skeptic3332]

Reminds me of the Tom Sawyer fence painting story. Look how much fun I am having fixing old buses come join me guys and get dirty.

[@hereintranzit]

That’s a planetary hub reduction drive axle. Very common in Europe on most commercial trucks and busses throughout the ‘50s, 60s, 70s and 80s on both OEM proprietary builds and common suppliers like ZF. These days the planetary hub reduction drive axles are still utilized in the specialized heavy haul applications (up to 200 metric tons in tandem configuration) and in off road tactical and construction applications because they’re much stronger axles and provide greater ground clearance than single stage reduction. Single stage reduction drive axles came back to medium duty on road line haul applications in Europe during the ‘90s and beyond (maximum 80 metric tons in tandem configuration) because, as the technology got better and materials got stronger, they were build to handle greater payloads then previously, and due to the simplicity of their design, they’re much better on fuel economy and can handle higher speeds than hub reduction drive axles. Hub reduction axles are “bullet proof” axles if properly maintained, but very finicky if poorly maintained and they don’t like speeds over 65 mi/h (105km/h) because they build heat very easily; maximum 55 mi/h (90 km/h) sustained cruising speeds is where the hub reduction axles function perfectly within the parameters. Maintenance consists the scheduled oil (and filter if equipped) changes and constant monitoring for any leaks. If you let a single stage reduction drive axle go low on oil, it’ll survive if it didn’t go completely dry. If you let a hub reduction go low on oil by more than 1/4 of its full volume and 100% of the internal guts turn into 100% scrap metal faster than you can say/ask: “what the hell happened?”

[@wotasod]

i am surprised that the bearings have not overheated and welded themselves together

[@woodswerks]

Looks similar to '75 Fleetline axle except mine has a dropped center section.

[@georgescott6338]

getva left hand drill bit they work good

[@Captain_Char]

I remember Red Green saying "Its not a screwdriver its a chisel. Its not a chisel its a screwdriver" I never thought what he said would be used is practice

[@riverwizard22]

Handy thing you should look into left hand drill bits.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

What do you think we were using??

[@marlopeterson3055]

if your (easy out)will not work / try a tork screw tip / to remove your broken bolt or screw / better fingers too bite the hole

[@1776vtgmb]

Pre-doom warning........... Hey, Lance! This has to be put in the dictionary! WillyB