Norma 22LR Accuracy Old vs New What's The Difference: CZ 452 & Custom 10/22

[@BROTUNED]

I’m posting my video today! I put up 3 1/4” dots was a fun little challenge! Definitely a range fan! Keep up the great videos!!!!!

[@edjett2631]

I really enjoyed this video on this ammo. I only have TAC-22 in the black box. I shot some yesterday and it seemed better than it was before when it was "fresh". Based on this video, I don't think I'll be a Norma Match-22 buyer except maybe a couple boxes to see what my CZ 452 and my Remington 541X do with it. I will shoot a bit from my "best" 10-22 for grins. Thanks for putting this together for us.

[@garyK.45ACP]

I love Norma TAC22. I started using it in my High Standard Supermatic Citation because it is recommended to use only standard velocity ammo in that pistol. During the recent ammo shortage, my usual CCI Standard Velocity became unobtainable. It was difficult to find standard velocity ammo. But I found TAC22 and it was even reasonably priced. Turned out to be the perfect combination! Best accuracy ever from that pistol and 100% reliable feeding. As wonderful and accurate as that pistol is, it can be a "jam-o-matic" with ammo it doesn't like. So, why not, my wife and I tried it in our target rifles (a Savage MKII BTV and CZ 457 MTR) and it gives outstanding accuracy in those also! Thanks for the video!

[@justindavis4897]

I love your videos !!!!!! Keep up the great work! Your videos always make me smile.

[@MrDennisLB]

Nice shooting Marine! It might help to run a bore cleaning snake through your barrel between the different types of ammo.

[@BROTUNED]

Even though you didn’t call me out I think I need to try this. Thanks for the video I just have to try and beat Joe with his new rim-x rifle. Have a great day sir!

[@toddsimonson4198]

Love the video- I am looking forward to the chronograph video! I would love to see how Wookie, the 455, and the Lithgow shoot these 3 Norma loads!

[@toddb930]

"Rebrand my channel - last round flyer" 😄😂🤣 That hilarious!! I've got a CZ 452 that loves the Norma white box. I recently bought some of the red box that was on sale at Scheels but haven't tried it yet.

[@Dayattherange]

Todd ever so close if you ever come back to dayattherange and its no longer available just know I probably moved a block over to 222 Last Round Flyer Lane

[@toddb930]

@@Dayattherange 😄😂🤣 okay buddy!!

[@rudedawg5087]

Great video. I realize this video is several months old but you are correct, per a Norma cs rep they just changed the packaging of the Tac-22 to reflect the actual 1083 fps. rather than the 1100 fps. Having over 7k rounds of the black box, which is my go to range round, I just received 4 bricks of the red box this week and tested both this morning from one of my CZ 457 Varmint MTR's. Both were identical in 50 yrd. accuracy out of my rifle, going to try the Match-22 next.

[@robertwallace2743]

Norma tac 22 red box manufactured in Germany the Norma tac 22 black box manufactured in the good old USA

[@reddrockingeezer]

@@robertwallace2743 Norma is a Swedish company manufacturing in Sweden and Germany. They have no production in the USA.

[@timothym2241]

I can’t compare ammo that way. I have to acclimate the barrel to the switched to ammo, before it starts to group. Often, at least the first three shots after a switch to a different ammo, moves about before settling into a point of impact.

[@Dayattherange]

If you are switching between brands i absolutely agree. This is the same brand with the same lube, same powder but supposedly QC that separates them.

[@livinginswva1965]

Thanks for the video, I always enjoy your content. My CZ457 Varmint MTR really likes the black box TAC22, hates the Match22. I'll have to try the red box.

[@Sagittariustoo]

Enjoyed the video and call-outs, thanks.

[@nelsonm5032]

i ordered black box, received red box. i'm not upset anymore! great vid, thanks!

[@johnutting9615]

Please put your Savage Anschutz in the mix would be great to see how it fits into the modern rifles. Thanks

[@lutherprice637]

Hey Elijah, I’ve done the same experiment with these three ammos in my Bergara B14R and found that they came out the same as your CZ and I also used my Ruger Competition 10/22 with the same results. Nothing good to say about the Match but the Black box still shoots pretty well with both, the Bergara still wins between the two rifles. The jury is still out with the red box, I’m finding more flyers than I like with less consistency. I would love to see what the Wookie does with them, I’m thinking about having Kenny build me a RimX and it would be great if it did well with the black box, I’m well stocked with them😂 Great video and we appreciate you.

[@Dayattherange]

Luther thank you sir. I will work this into the rotation but now I actually have some subsonic as well all 3 of the new.

[@YellowHammer26]

I have a lot of that red box tac 22, it shoots really well out of all my firearms. I’d love to see you shoot this ammo out of other rifles .👍👍Thanks for the video

[@lens7859]

BTW, Norma sells direct to the customers, and they run specials from time to time I have been buying direct for over a year now, very convenient

[@rem3105]

I bought some Norma T22 during the pandemic. It was horrible, would not cycle in any of my semi's. It would work in (RPR), only but was not very accurate. I've been reluctant to try it since, maybe I should give another try. Good videos!

[@yungdro1972]

I just purchased some of the Norma TAC 22. Going to try it in my Mark IV pistols and my TX-22 SCR. The 10/22s are going to do what they do. Those are some sweet rifles you got there, brother! Have you tried the Federal Punch 22 yet? Great video. 👍🏽

[@richardmattix5322]

Duke it out we love to see the frustration on your face when the groups fall apart

[@Dayattherange]

Oh man Richard you like seeing me in misery lol.

[@RetiredFE]

I have a Savage Mark II FVSR that loves Norma Tac 2, especially the black box. Yesterday at the range at 50 yards twice it made one hole with 10 rounds. Shot MOA at 100 yards also. My CZ 457 does well with it, but the Savage does excellent with it. Red box is close but not quite as good as the black box. Excellent ammo. Ordered another brick from J&G Sales for 39.00 a brick.

[@willowptboatworks3711]

Shoots well for me too!! Good stuff brother semper fi!!

[@Dayattherange]

Semper fi

[@lmbear]

Man, a few years ago I found some Norma match at Sportsman's warehouse for $5/box. It was on clearance for some reason. I should have bought a couple cases of the stuff. All of my rifles love it. From my 10/22's to my 1949 Winchester model 52B. It produces ragged hole groups, with all of my rifles. As for Tac22, it's not the best in some of my rifles.

[@keithhaynes8079]

From a English fan of yours many thanks for the video god be with you and the family take care.

[@Dayattherange]

Keith thank you sir

[@buckbuster6213]

Nice video! I'm loving the red box Tac-22.

[@nelsonm5032]

I really enjoy your videos. good humor and good shootin' cheers...

[@Dayattherange]

Thank you so much for the encouragement. It might be time for wind flags though. I shot indoors the other day at 100 yards and had better groups indoors at 100 than I did here at 50yards.

[@nelsonm5032]

@@Dayattherange great idea! wish my range had flags... might have to look into one myself, cheers

[@3LGAutodetail]

using the other two rifles with these three rounds would be a wonderful way to really showcase the ammo as a whole. Also, bring out 82G, i know it will take time to make it through 30 rounds, but my 82g is my gold standard for checking ammo.

[@markthegunplumber8376]

My 82G loves Wolf Match Target at 100 yards and by loves i mean 1" maybe larger group. It's a good rifle but it ain't even close to being on par with my Walthers or my Anschutz 54 and can't hold a candle to my Bergara. mechanically and quality wise the 82G is great but i think Wilson may have made those barrels for them and Wilson barrels by and large are not so good. When Kimber Started out Chick Donnelly in Applegate Oregon was making their barrels and those would be real shooters Chick made fine barrels with tooling and equipment he bought from Parker Ackley here in Orygun and Parker stayed with Chick and showed him how to make good barrels. Kimber demand got higher than Chick, a one man shop could keep up with. Chick was a friend and mentor so in his words he told them to bugger off so they started using Wilson barrels who apparently owns Cooper Rifles I hear. I hope the Cooper Rifles shoot as well as they cost, from my exp. putting them on customer rifles they aren't even as good as a Green Mountain, Shaw or Pac-Nor barrel and I'm no fan of those either. looking at .22 rifle barrels in a bore scope gives you a pretty good idea of the care taken or not when they were made.

[@regebush3339]

RWS makes the Norma .22 ammo. I've heard the Norma Match is the RWS rifle match and the Tac-22 is the RWS Target. If your gun likes RWS (which my Savage does) the Norma line is a little cheaper to shoot.

[@whittler3358]

Thank you brother ,, just bought 6 bricks of black tac 22 ,,, was interested in the Red tac22, love your info

[@Dayattherange]

One of the best comments to know you helped someone thank you for chiming in.

[@sawhill729]

Hi Marine. I'm the guy who shoots the 15 dot target for money. Me and the boys are getting together this morning and see if we can add the 1/4 inch dot challenge to our range day. Yes sir, it will be for money.

[@ralphmorgan2523]

keep the 22 video going its the most challenging love it

[@Killerthedog-u3t]

Can’t find the follow up video??

[@jbazan11]

Good call out!! 👍 don’t forget chad from iv8888! 👍👍

[@Okrifleman]

I called Norma and they told me the only difference in the red box is the box. Same exact ammo in a newly designed box???

[@WalnutandSteel]

I can't find that Norma match 22 anywhere 😥

[@toddb930]

They don't make it anymore.

[@willaimwinchell1813]

What is the magnification of your optic shooting the dot? What do you like for a scope and magnification ranges.

[@NoPro1962]

Great groups That Granddaddy is a smooth Runner!

[@SEAKPhotog]

Both my T1x and B14r love Norma TAC (black box) out to 50. They shoot it as well as anything else. At 100 they do really well but show some inconsistency vs the more spendy stuff like Lapua and Eley and SK. At 200 it falls apart tho. Pretty great bang for your buck really at 50 and 100. I haven't seen the red box stuff. Can't wait to try it.

[@robertotto5811]

Love the CZs. That's some accurate ammo, and some good shootn'.

[@22lr_plinking]

Did you ever make the pet 2 to this video. I don’t see it anywhere

[@jeromereed1097]

I just ordered some 1/4" dots. My Bergara B14R is up to the challenge! It has no problem with the 1/4" KYL target at 50 yds.

[@Dayattherange]

Well let's go Jerome can't wait to see you enter this is awesome.

[@SEAKPhotog]

Mine too 🙂👍🏻

[@Dayattherange]

@@SEAKPhotog Alright now you fellas getting me excited.

[@SEAKPhotog]

@@Dayattherange I'll order some 1/4in dots but my step son may have to be the shooter. The youngin' is better than my 59 year old self Hell, better yet, we'll both do it. He can use the B14r and I'll use the T1x 😉

[@jeromereed1097]

@@Dayattherange I even have some of the Tac22 in the black box and will shoot some with it and then RWS Match that my rifle likes.

[@donniepowell7146]

Really enjoyed the video. I have some of the old Tac22, will be ordering some of the new 1083. Try it in 54 spotter and custom 10/22. Thanks a bunch.

[@davegrimshaw7318]

Thanks for the input dude 👍 How's the missus, family first always 🙏

[@Dayattherange]

She is healing still not enough to be on the range with me yet.

[@hopefloats7573]

Shot black box last week. My 10 shot groups were ..46 to .59. 5 shot groups were .25 to .58. I had 4 groups under .30. Ruger 10/22 Target. I always make sure I have a rag when I shoot this stuff.

[@CHenry1951]

DATR, a pretty good test big fella, I have only shot the black box and my Kimber 82G likes them really good, since you have or had 1500 rounds, get a few more rifles on the bench and do a " really " big test...........

[@jasoncarpenter4116]

I am curious if you cycled several rounds through each of the rifles to acclimate the lube from the Norma ammo? I would like to see different rifle platforms doing this too!

[@barbarareese2745]

I'd like to see the match-22 shot again after the bore was coated with that Norma lube. Great shooting!

[@pevelyhomeowner327]

@@barbarareese2745 yup, warm-up and get some fresh lube before expecting great groups. Or do 3 five shots groups of each ammo to see the spreads clearer.

[@diablomantis8330]

I love this but, you need to re shoot the white match box. Because you had a cold barrel less fowled. Allways precision shoot. 10 shots before you go for final groups. Warm that barrel up first

[@PetuniaIii-pd1ww]

We are plinkers, but we have some of the black box ammo on hand...we use it to sight scopes, and the stuff would be fine small game ammo out to 50 yards...the price of it has finally dropped a little, to 5.99 a box in our area...that is equivalent to CCI prices, but the Norma might be more consistent...y'all dealing with .25 inch groups feel free to argue, we good...

[@RetiredFE]

I bought a couple of boxes of the red Tac-22 just to see what it would do in my CZ-457. It seems to like it. It does shoot about a quarter to half inch higher than the Wolf Match, SK Rifle Match and the RWS Rifle Match. I do get good groups with it, so I bought a couple of bricks of it. The price is right.

[@skotrod]

Try that Match 22 in your 40X. I recently added a 40X to my collection and it really liked the Match 22.

[@Dwayne7834]

Good video. I shoot some Tac 22 . Great up to 50. Begins to spread some at 100. That is from my 457 CZ. Thanks for the video

[@BimmerDudeXi]

Same here with my Bergara B14R. At 50, its a tack driver but at 100, it has a mind of its own.

[@HSmith-uk9hl]

What, exactly, do you think one 10 shot group with each cartridge in two different rifles proves? It would have been nice to have seen a second group with the Match-22 in the CZ. The first group was shot cold bore and that's never good for groups.

[@loupuleff571]

I'm real surprised about the white box usually really good even though you can't get it anymore

[@rhare7353]

I picked up two bricks of tac 22 about two years ago it turns my marlin 6o, my ruger 10/22 and my sig 1911-22 into single shot guns it will fire in my marlin model 80 bolt action and my Remmington nylon 76 lever gun. thank God I have less than 200 rounds left

[@richardschofield2278]

How about a challenge with the SAVAGE BTVS WITH THE NORMA TAC 22 AMMO ?? SAVAGE ONLY ANY TAKERS ???

[@Brentor14]

I just picked up some of the red box tac 22 and it shoots amazingly out of my ruger American rimfire lrt .3 -.5 groups unreal for ammo that cost me 7.99 SD of 18 extreme spread of 42fps I got an average speed of 1051 out of the 22” barrel I’m picking up 1000 rounds this weekend lol

[@anthonyhaas5301]

So I see that the headstamp is the RWS headstamp, how does the Norma compare to the RWS match offerings?

[@lens7859]

I Have a bunch of the norma , Have you ever ran it out of an auto handgun? I have a Glock 44 and have not tried it yet.

[@ssswdon]

Nice shooting. I think I have a few boxes to dst off. It looks like you're using the Titan stock where did you get that cheek riser from

[@Dayattherange]

Cheek riser from titan

[@BluedMarble]

What kind of barrel is the 10/22?

[@sjohnson1776]

I shot some of the black box Tac22 late last year and it was garbage in my Christensen Ranger. So glad I only bought 100 rounds of it.

[@Dayattherange]

Did you get your ranger22 to shoot like you want it to?

[@sjohnson1776]

@@Dayattherange Yes sir I did. Christensen took it in for repairs and sent back a very capable .22 rifle. They did quite a bit to it, under warranty. I've shot 5 shot 50 yard groups at .3" with tenx and even had a 5 shot Centerx group at 50 yards at .23". It shot a 4 shot bughole with some proprietary Lapua ammo a sponsored shooter at our range gave me. I wish I could grab a case of that! LOL He also gave me 10 rounds of RWS R50 that I'll shoot when conditions are optimal. It shoots CCI SV fairly well too. I need to tune it and replace the stock trigger which will make it better. Can't ask for any more than that! Thank you for asking!!

[@underlinedi]

I like this guy.

[@trigerfingers1911]

Winchester 52D and Kimber 82G for the next ones to test

[@Conan361]

That cz is so beautiful

[@Dayattherange]

I love it after bedding it -- it is even more enjoyable. An accurate beautiful rifle is like finding a unicorn to me at least :)

[@loupuleff571]

It's a hard comparison with bolt and semi auto?

[@scootertrash911]

The white box is real old, now comes in red box.

[@jimbuxton2436]

Always enjoy your vids.👌 It seemed like the white box did the worst, but it was the first used, and therefore was with a cold bore. The others were with a warm barrel I guess, so could that have had an effect on results?? Also, I believe a "stationary" target would be best to deliver a definitive result. 😊

[@yahatinda]

FUNNIEST GUY ON GUN ONLINE ... BARRELWARMING ERRRGGGGG

[@garygates5679]

""""" ELIJAH """"" {{{{{ A BIG 'THANK YOU' FOR CALLING OUT THE BOYS....}}}}} {{{{{ DON'T LEAVE JOE OUT }}}}}....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Buzz7744]

Lets try the Rim X and CZ👍

[@raymondhall7192]

Revolver guy you are a Hoot 😅

[@Crete1943]

Well done; ten rounds is a group, not five.

[@carltaylor5604]

The red box stuff is made in Germany

[@fn3048]

My CZ453 loathes Tac22 (2" groups at 50), but my CZ457 sporter tolerates it, barely. Both easily prefer Eley standard bulk box ammo over the Norma.

[@joshtalbot1086]

My 455 loves this stuff.

[@lewisrice3741]

They shot find out of the cz I think it was the ruger shooting all over the place. Beagleman

[@andyjohnson6855]

I had better luck with the new Red Box tac 22 vs the old Black Box. More consistent and less greasy.

[@stevekiemele995]

I’m told that al 10/22s throw the last round out of the magazine high and right.

[@markthegunplumber8376]

The new Norma is better at 100 yards in my Rifles and deifnitely more consistant as claimed but at 50 the Black Box is the King. As far as the 10-22 goes they are like an AR15 if you want an accurate one it's gona cost you, to many moving parts. Norma is made by Ruag who makes RWS etc. it's probably like Eley Club or Target. No complaints from me for $4 a box i can tell you.

[@michaelcunningham6641]

It's that barrel...get a ksa 20 inch for the 10/22.

[@johnkizziah108]

Thanks for your info my friend. I have a couple accurate 22s rem 40x winchester 52d. Both great shooters.. have been testing ammo for along time. Kinda got tired of testing. I shoot cci standard in all my 22s when I want to shoot little groups I grab my 40x and lapua ammo..

[@patdennis3751]

My 10 22 shoots the old TAC22 into .250" for 5 shots @ 50 yds. All new tried is 1/2" at best

[@deandepew7455]

I bought Norma tac22 once didn't shoot as good as auto match in my guns mostly shot out of my colt woodsman that is very accurate with auto match

[@ccc9139]

I shoot the black box Tac-22 through my silenced 10/22, it’s great stuff IMO

[@javiersp01]

Nice video mr Revolver guy. Don't forget about ol' fatty Joe

[@drysori]

IV8888 and .22Plinkster put out a vid of a game of HORSE with some air rifle bois. Hitting 1" steel targets at 100 yds.

[@michaelcunningham6641]

That carbon fiber barrel ..they suck...couple different materials there...they all act different to the heat ..never get good tight groups with them

[@arnoldmoos1791]

Damn, I just ordered 2 bricks of Match. Your results are disappointing

[@jdmbraceyourself695]

💯

[@jcjustice3786]

👍👍👍

[@davegrimshaw7318]

Go Lithgow 👏

[@ralphmorgan2523]

try green tag

[@stevekiemele995]

I usually hit 1/8” dots 19 times out of 20 shots. I shoot ABRA benchrest. Too many do better than that…

[@Biglou13-z3p]

I have to disagree. BRNO #1 is grandpappy and BRNO #2 is Pappy. All others are youngsters.

[@Dayattherange]

🤣

[@6.5grendel11]

👍👍👍👍

[@reddrockingeezer]

I just bought 5000 rounds (100 boxes) of the newer red box at $3.00 per box. Internet sale, $14.95 shipping, no sales tax.

[@johnterhark6516]

Could you tell me where? I can’t find it.

[@reddrockingeezer]

@@johnterhark6516 I pulled up my invoice and went to the company website; the item has disappeared. NORMA 22LR 40 GRAIN LRN TAC-22. I will call them tomorrow, they probably sold out completely. Thanks for asking, I was planning on re-ordering in a couple weeks; now I start searching again.

[@johnhermsen6456]

First warm up the gun bevore hou start shooting

[@raymondhall7192]

Like you shooting and line of BS

[@lewisrice3741]

I will put the first 4 in that at 50yrds and probably 3 out of 5 at 100yrds. And you can take that to the bank. I do this for a past time and that's the truth. Beagleman