DB & COLAS Operated TANKS SETTING BACK across the MAINLINES to and from Kingsbury Oil Sidings!

[@Madhuntr]

a long train snaking its way across multiple switches is one of the cooles things to watch while railfanning i think. Good catch and good camera

[@romac9516]

Pretty cool to see the tankers snaking into the sidings

[@manfredschridde318]

It’s quite interesting to see the way the train arrives and departs from the siding. I mean, both require to stop on the mainline, which blocks the train behind. Anyway, great video! Thank you!

[@darylcheshire1618]

I wondered if the siding was manually operated and the main line is switched out, I noted the passenger train could run through whilst the oil train was shunting. A man in a signal box could shift the points after the shunt movement. Not sure if you could computerize all this and a (say) once a week movement could have a man rostered to move the points.

[@XxBec3509]

Lovely footage, thanks for sharing

[@glynngriffith3044]

Thanks

[@trainsplanes]

Thanks Glyn - That’s very kind of you 🙏👍

[@deeadam1649]

Wow fab video and so much more. I'm seeing so many ideas here for inclusion on a 'wee' oil terminus....thank you.

[@mickyp3357]

I really enjoyed warching that, thank you. Trains have always fascinated me, especially such long goods trains and their locomotives. Plus some amazing photography could have been done there too with all the trucks crossing several tracks at once. I wish it was near where I live, I'd of been happily clicking away 😊

[@trainsplanes]

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@DoctorFish10]

And that kids is why you should practice your reversing into a parking bay. Nice capture of those movements.

[@philipspencer1834]

Imagine the stresses on that consist! Fab capture. Thanks 😎👍

[@SB5SimulationsFerroviairesEEP]

Super! Merci du partage! Stéph.

[@davehanson7764]

Great video, at the very first glance thought it was Earles sidings in the hope vally 😅

[@eLTransport-Liberec]

Fantastic video my friend. Have a great weekend. Greetings from Czechia. :) BIG LIKE

[@HuntingLokomotif]

2:13 wow that's amazing 😮

[@christopherosborne7058]

The tension is palpable 😊

[@ThermoMan]

Lovely little video

[@jsa-z1722]

Cool!

[@train4905]

Exellent😊

[@jamesburnside3023]

Excellent video well done

[@EntertainmentWorldz]

great video

[@AndrewCooper-eo7oh]

Love it more please thanks.

[@dieselfunk65]

Awesome video, well done, superb filming. 👌

[@trainsplanes]

Thank you very much! 👍

[@NorthWestLevelCrossingsChannel]

Excellent video 👍

[@PTMSTx373]

The same place where most of the class 373s were scrapped, the last three capitals set being scrapped In may 2018, 6 years ago. These trains served us well🫡

[@lordsplonge8147]

Got some good flats there.

[@thebagfather4633]

nice one.

[@teamtrains]

Amazing video 👍

[@stevedj2707]

Interesting video thank you for the post 😊

[@QuentinBocquet-d5u]

J'adore les train

[@daviddarrall9384]

Some patience needed there! 😊 UK.

[@robstevens6590]

Great video...amazing to see those Tanks snaking backwards ...it never fails to amaze me that lot is held in place by flanges that are...what ...2 or 3 inches deep? Thanks again.

[@darylcheshire1618]

I read about an incident at Junee where this big long freight train snaked from one side of the yard to the other blocking up and down main lines, the movement blocked both Southern Auoroa express trains (which cross at Junee) for ten minutes and the signalman was fined $10 for each train.

[@BritishRail60062]

Nice filming of these in action. Seems like the normal Class 66's are more than capable for this working.

[@grampus2112]

It's only loaded to 20 vehicles , when the 60s were in control the load was in the 30s

[@saippuakivikuappias]

​@@grampus211232 tanks common with a 75mph rated 66. They can do it, but it's not the best..

[@nounoufriend1442]

@@saippuakivikuappias Nailed flat flat out once leaving Lincoln with 32 loaded tanks (need ear plugs in ) and the push into Kingsbury was a struggle . The 60's made lot easier work of 32 tanks with less noise and used bit less fuel , heard the re geared 66's are no replacement for a 60

[@nounoufriend1442]

Only pushing the empty's out though and they struggle with 30 or more tanks , when we run Jarrow tanks from LOR network rail wouldn't let us run it with 66 , had to be a 60 or pair of 66's ( Santon bank ) . Re geared 66's are not much better , super series system struggle to find grip on wet rail , but 66's are cheap to maintain and pretty reliable

[@saippuakivikuappias]

@nounoufriend1442 no, they're not! They do get a beating on that job with 32 on. 60s definitely made much lighter work of it.

[@TetsuoIidabashi]

Didn't know that DB operates in the UK. 🙂 Greetings from Germany ✌🏻

[@trainsplanes]

DB have been present in the UK for many years now 👍

[@miriamlana833]

@@trainsplanes I guess BR (or what it's named now) is also in Germany. Don't remember if I saw the BR logo, but I definitely saw the NS (Dutch Rail) logo in Germany, so not only private but also national railway companies of other countries are allowed to operate here.

[@nigelfarley814]

They would never do that on my layout!

[@chrisbuxton1958]

Definitely a high risk manoeuvre!

[@Magicbinarystar]

Wheels arr round but trains , bogeys have wheels that are larger on the inside , they are schamfered . Allowing a fixed axle in pairs to move across a tight curve with several sets of points.

[@dillbuckler1239]

State of them track on the siding where the tankers were parked😮😮

[@FeckHallBahn]

Love this video. Who ensures safety at the back of the train in manoeuvres like this?

[@trainsplanes]

It’s deemed safe based upon the signalling system and the speed limit for the move 👍

[@Dan-o3m6e]

Should really be a ground staff on duty for a number of reasons. Never seen this before.

[@paulnolan1352]

@@trainsplanesor, how does the Driver know he’s cleared the Junction before setting back?

[@terrymoore9388]

🎉Driver collects a radio from the shunter

[@Magicbinarystar]

The secret is in the shape of the wheels.

[@CryptidZookeeper]

Did DB really send a guy out in a van with a compressor to pre-charge the brakes on those conflats, rather than wait 2-3 minutes once hooked up.

[@S2RUF]

He’s doing maintenance on the wagons, so he uses his compressor to charge the brake system to check they apply and release, and can adjust them if necessary. These have been detached from a train, so may he been overdue maintenance or stopped for repairs.

[@3040-f9g]

Now you know why XC services from Derby to New St are frequently delayed.

[@fitzayadventures]

Its wild that they shove back blind like that and how few cars they handle. Or was the guy in the second clip helping the first train back out? Are their people in the plant watching the shove into the facility?

[@JohnDuncanPeacock]

The Midlands will not run out of fuel this weekend.

[@khuwahid4747]

KTMB is a very good guy railway in the world because they have good steady locomotives & more staff like dancing

[@modelrailwaynoob]

Great to watch thank you. Is that Kingsbury Warks? I used to be a community nurse aorund there.

[@anthonybrady-lb5ve]

Vat ze fuck😂😂

[@trainsplanes]

Yep - Just south of Tamworth 👍

[@mattstevens8210]

Be interested to know what sort of tonnage that train is pulling awesome video finally enjoyed it😊

[@jozefbubez6116]

I am no railway-man but as a general principle, is it not safer always to pull a train tather than push so we cannot say this driver is too cautious and I admire his technique around those tight bends.

[@miriamlana833]

OMG our German Rail (DB) is in Britain! These typical English tube-shaped locomotives in DB red and with the oversized DB cookies (so the logo is fun called in Germany) on the sides look a bit strange to me, as if we suddenly had won a war against you and overtaken everything.😁 The white colour of the service Mercedes Sprinter is also typically, all DB street vehicles incl. DB Schenker trucks except buses and the high speed trains are white, regulary trains and buses are red. The regional rail passenger traffic in my region is completely run by DB regio, so all trains I ever see are red.😂 The VTG tank cars are also German, Vereinigte Tanklager und Transportmittel GmbH (United Tank Stores and Transport Utilities Limited). As Germany was re-united, GDR Rail (still called "Reichsbahn" then) was overtaken and the old Soviet "Ludmilla" diesel locomotives are still running today in DB red. One thing I have to ask self-ironic, how did the DB manage to do this complicating operation in time, without conflicting the other trains? Why you and all other countries with your beautiful language I love so much still call armoured armed cars "tanks" since real tanks are the same as in German is also a great question, I heard that was a camouflage name in WW1, why later when they were commonly known not another better matching word?

[@nathanlowe567]

I See 6M57 Today at Nottingham

[@davidsedlickas8222]

Thats well thought out ! Utter madness

[@Dan-o3m6e]

Where’s the ground staff to view the rear of the train when setting back?

[@michelleleux605]

Très curieux de voir que les chemins de fer allemands (DB sur la camionette sur wagon plus la locomotive !!)opèrent...au Royaume Uni ! Encore des complications financières ?? Et dire qu'il y a la bataille d'Angleterre en 1940😂😂!! Michel Leleux à Ua Huka, îles Marquises.

[@2011MrSaint]

Nice Video! Have the traindriver a camera in the loco? I didn't see a second worker on the trains.

[@john1703]

Pushing a train of individual wagons, especially over several sets of points must have a higher risk of de-railment than pulling it.

[@asd36f]

Not often you see rolling stock straddling four different tracks

[@jamesknowles550]

OMG -- when i tried that on my model railway it was always a de-[railmant !!!

[@calandraa.8471]

In Germany the front of the train always has to be manned by staff. How is it in England?

[@trainsplanes]

It’s not always required as this video shows in the UK. The signalling system and speed restrictions are deemed suitable.

[@alexalston3001]

So many flats on the wheels.. are these sets ever maintained?

[@coveryoureyesmedia]

What’s a flat?😊

[@cnafyi]

@@coveryoureyesmedia A part of the train wheel that has been worn flat, you can hear it each time the flat part touches the top of the rail as a clunk

[@dillbuckler1239]

They go 3mph.... Seen the state of the sidings? Poimtless

[@coveryoureyesmedia]

@@cnafyitimestamp/s? Please not sure what is when I’m intrigued now….😊

[@cnafyi]

@@coveryoureyesmedia I'm not sure as didn't notice it when I first watched but I think if you listen from about 4:11 with volume up you can hear a thudding start to appear at about 4:16 like a thud and a rattle

[@DavidDewis]

What are the rules regarding reversing onto a main line like that? There doesn’t appear to be anyone looking out behind the train, or stood lineside.

[@trainsplanes]

Indeed - There’s nobody marshalling the consist as it enters the mainline. The signalling and speed restrictions deem the move safe within the boundaries of the rules the drivers need to follow 👍

[@DavidDewis]

@ so it’s a pre established movement that blocks off the who signal block for shunting manoeuvres? I suppose it keeps it simple.

[@Maverick_31]

Nothing quite like shoving blind 😂

[@normanbridge8924]

i have asked this question before what does a freigh train driver do if he his desparate for the toilet when he is say like travelling up from dirft upto mossend euro terminal?

[@graememckay9972]

Controlled dehydration so you don't need to pee, hope you get stopped so you can pee in the cess, if you can't wait the only 2 options are stop and then apologise to the signaller for the delay or stop at a station or signal box and apologise to the raging mad signaller for the numerous delays.

[@trainsplanes]

I think the answer to that is to plan in advance 👍

[@ЮрийКозлов-ь2п]

Похоже на малую кольцевую железную дорогу в Москве до создания пассажирской МЦК.

[@cookn01]

Surely they can travel at a greater speed than that?

[@davidfurmage618]

No. 3mph propelling within a yard but you can speed up a bit beyond there. But not much as there isn't much room to the limit of shunt board at the back.

[@epj900]

What sort of weight are these trains??

[@trainsplanes]

The southbound loaded is pathed at 3200 tonnes 👍

[@grampus2112]

​@@trainsplanesnever that weight these days ,trains are shorter than they were when 60s were in control and loaded to 30 vehicles

[@saippuakivikuappias]

100 tons per wagon, plus 130 approx for the loco. 32 tanks common, so in the region of 3300 tons.

[@ANDYJL1964]

Maximum speed fully laden?

[@S2RUF]

@@ANDYJL196460mph

[@vickyharrison2227]

I thought reversing on the Mainline was forbidden?

[@21Noreen]

Actually it is called Shunting for trains.

[@dillbuckler1239]

Also non of the drivers wave like bus drivers do😮

[@MegaThrashRailwayFilms]

just wondering, what camera do you use?

[@trainsplanes]

It’s a Panasonic HC-VXF1 👍

[@MegaThrashRailwayFilms]

@@trainsplanes thanks!

[@คนวันอังคารราษีเมษ]

What country is that?

[@miriamlana833]

UK

[@คนวันอังคารราษีเมษ]

@miriamlana833 thank you

[@miriamlana833]

@@คนวันอังคารราษีเมษ and the DB/VTG train is German.

[@tomedy_official]

13:36 That shouldn't be right, the cross contry sould have been 5 mins later

[@tango1571]

Are we all supposed to know where Kingsbury is then? At least a county name would help.

[@trainsplanes]

Really..?? Not capable of a simple google search if you don’t know.. Geez 🙈🙈🙈

[@tango1571]

@@trainsplanes Google search showed me somewhere near Harrow, which it clearly isn't. Hence my comment.

[@trainsplanes]

@@tango1571Near Tamworth in the West Midlands.

[@OptimusPrimer-ge3gz]

The video title clearly says "Kingsbury Oil Sidings", so if you googled that you'd know straight away, as there's only one Kingsbury oil terminal. Are you a professional idiot, or just a very gifted amateur?

[@ronaldweir712]

Can you imagine the problems if any of those tankers derailed

[@andrewwilliamson7885]

Better than if it was on the road i suppose?

[@ronaldweir712]

@ can a tanker derail on the road?

[@miriamlana833]

At least at this speed the tanks can't be damaged to leaking.

[@ronaldweir712]

@@miriamlana833 I wouldn't like to try a derailment to find out.

[@CSSPlayer2000]

Deutsche Bahn und englisches Kennzeichen???

[@trainsplanes]

DB are present in the UK Railways as a freight operator 👍

[@miriamlana833]

Die Lok ist wohl da registriert auf eine britische Tochterfirma. Ist ja auch eine englische Lok nach Bauart. Man könnte natürlich auch paar 218er oder Ludmillas von DB Cargo durch den Eurotunnel da hinbringen, lohnt sich aber wohl nicht.

[@erickerry3045]

How stupid is it for Network rail not to have a two way entry exit at Kingsbury. Comments?

[@GuyBabbs]

Look at the length of the trains and where the branch is, to put a long enough headshunt in would be very expensive considering the shots are taken from a bridge.

[@richardbarber8023]

No banks man I understand saying stop train coming wount be herd by 66 driver but surely health and safety says a chap with radio be better ? Just in case ???

[@craigambrose4375]

Why when the signals will be set at red further down the line ?

[@cd66061]

@richardbarber8023 you can see the Colas driver being handed a radio. He wouldn't be able to see handsignals on that manoeuvre, and without either the move wouldn't be able to take place.

[@AgnesBeck-k5p]

Wieder einmal ein Beispiel für ein Video, das mit falschen Zahlen und Informationen gespickt ist.

[@miriamlana833]

Was denn jetzt speziell? Ich finde einfach interessant zu sehen wie die DB und VTG im Ausland agieren. Ich vermute mal der Ruf der DB bei uns wird da noch nicht so bekannt sein, die bewundern wohl eher "deutsche Präzision" bei sowas.🙂

[@BROOMEngineeringTMIET]

Well that looked and sounded quite sketchy!

[@trainsplanes]

It’s a well versed procedure and likely well trained in for those involved 👍

[@cd66061]

Why sketchy? Move is planned in. Driver signs the route and yard. Driver drives to correct stopping points, works to signals and Groundstaff instructions to propel (reverse) as per company or site safe system of work. Any train working in or out will have the use of the track for however long it takes, no other train can enter that section due to signalling systems until clear to do so.

[@stuartpaulandrews]

That manoeuvre appeared to take a long time. I’ve been stuck on a train between Tamworth and New Street while one of these was performed. Very annoying for the passengers on board.

[@BROOMEngineeringTMIET]

@@cd66061 I used the word 'sketchy' because I would have thought that reversing a train of that length, through so many sets of points, and across so many lines simultaneously, comes with the inherent risk of a derailment, and then blocking all those lines. Therefore, I am surprised this manoeuvre is actually allowed.

[@cd66061]

@BROOMEngineeringTMIET what on earth do think points are for? They either work (maintained correctly etc) or they don't... Hence why there are rules as to speeds for propelling and groundstaff visually in control of the move to make sure signals and points set. The configuration will have had a wheel rotation check at the start of it's journey so there is as little chance of derailment as possible. The whole network would grind to a halt if trains couldn't traverse across just a few lines.

[@stevenmoran4060]

Not DB they went bust!

[@geraldwagner8739]

Maybe in your dreams but not in reality.

[@miriamlana833]

They are still full in German state property, they can't get bust as long as complete Germany not gets bust, but before that ever will happen the UK (and also France, Italy, Spain....) had long gone bust.🤣

[@matthewcoupeofficial]

Typical NR allowing dangerous stuff to happen on the line…

[@paulefc1971]

Speaking as someone that has worked in the rail industry for 32 years including in operations and as a signaller I can categorically say there is absolutely nothing dangerous in this video, it may also interest you to know that NR and all Train Operating Companies work to a Rule Book and safety standards which are written and regularly updated by the RSSB (Rail Safety and Standards Board) who are an independent organisation and are also governed by the ORR who are an independent safety regulator, maybe you should complain to them if you consider this dangerous. I would also be interested to know what your observations and qualifications are to come out with such a ridiculous statement that NR are "allowing dangerous stuff to happen on the line". Maybe it might be better to not comment on videos like this where you obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

[@miriamlana833]

Maybe the Brits are not afraid when German companies do the dangerous stuff for them.😀