DB605 Engine run

[@devemch7851]

I always was amazed at the Merlin and only recently began looking at the DB605. Recently watched the casting and machining vids for the Wright flyer motor from 1903. Very crude 4 cyl that is into the air in 1903. The DB motor was 1933 to 1943ish. In a span of 3 decades we went from barely 12 hp to 2000 hp with fuel injection, variable automatic supercharger boost, water meth injection and NO2. There is a reason I restore machine tools from this golden era!!!!!

[@gregorteply9034]

I also produce 200 hp when injected with meth xD

[@austinknott584]

@@gregorteply9034 you found the panzer chocolate?

[@gregorteply9034]

@@austinknott584 I can relate to that.

[@mariuspetit8078]

@@gregorteply9034 👌😅🤦‍♂️

[@schecter6l6]

The WM injection was given only to the squadron leaders at the time so very little had them. The 605 was plagued with valve/Detonation issues due to corrosion caused by the low nickel content and availability at the time so they were subsequently D rated due to numerous engine failures near the end of the war so many were not able to run at full HP ratings for long. They eventually tried chroming their valves but this never really cured the problem.

[@zakkhuitema3748]

Nothing beats that sound. Nothing.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@zakkhuitema3748 This same shop has already overhauled and tested the Jumo 211J for the Stuka at the Flying Heritage Museum, but they were not given permission to publish any video of it unfortunately. If the Stuka project is completed, we can listen to a Jumo 211 for the first time. And they are working on a Jumo 213 for another customer, and hopefully we will be able to hear that one eventually too.

[@davidrhoads3023]

Y'know what beats that sound? The same (wonderful)engine in an airframe, flying where we can hear it. Wonder where it's gonna end up? Y'think there's a plan to fly it?

[@TireSlayer55]

That would be awesome to see.

[@bruceboatwright7488]

I don't know why, but I always imagined it looking bigger. What a compact powerplant! Thanks for sharing this.

[@TheWayOfTheWind]

ikr

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

109 is a pretty small aircraft

[@matthewredman7814]

You do realise this is HUGE compared to the Merlin engine. Merlin was about 25 liter? DB605 was about 36 Liter.

[@ninguemviu6376]

Yeah it looks smaller than a truck engine but still ridiculously strong

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

@@matthewredman7814 The DB605 is more compact in its external dimensions than the Merlin.

[@harrismagalona9028]

That supercharger whistling is sooo😍😍😍

[@pjchris90]

So different from a Merlin or Griffon...beautiful in a different way!

[@chippyjohn1]

Merlin is like a cute chubby girl. DB605 is like a gorgeous model.

[@JParkes43]

@@chippyjohn1I’d say the other way around but I get your point

[@user-jt1gm4qh4x]

@@chippyjohn1how did you come to that conclusion? Nothing like it.

[@chippyjohn1]

@@user-jt1gm4qh4x DB605 is far more sophisticated.

[@792slayer]

I have never heard one of those run, but that gave me some complicated feelings. It sounds amazing.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

being a brit was brought up on the greatness of the merlin, but after finding out how RR torpedoed the competition in the uk during the 1930s (napier being just one company), ive been appreciating other types. the db605 with direct port fuel injection & a single stage fluid drive supercharger was a rather good design. nice to see one still in working order!

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+ Roland Lawrence There's an Emil at Biggin Hill but I don't know how often it flies.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

The fuel was injected directly into the cylinder, not into the port.

[@hoedemakerbart]

It was good but lacking power compared to the later Merlins let alone the Griffon powered spits

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

An amazing engine when you consider the restrictions the Germans were under during development. The thing that always makes me smile is the cleanliness when they start, no clouds of oily smoke a la RR Merlins.

[@MrTimodon]

Or from the russian engines! They smoke as hell! Im a lover of Isotta W18 engines! Crew on torpedoboat from 1942!

[@FiveCentsPlease]

So many owners do not allow any video or pictures of their projects. Thanks for publishing this engine run from such a rare example. I kept hoping to see the Jumo 211 from Flying Heritage on the stand but they did not give permission. And the shop is planning to exercise a Jumo 213 when assembly is complete and it would be fantastic to hear one in proper tune if the owner allows it.

[@dimitribartali2744]

Stanno riparando un 213 per farlo funzionare?

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@@dimitribartali2744 Sì, per un progetto privato. Non so se il proprietario darà il permesso per il video. L'assemblaggio del motore non è ancora completo.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@@dimitribartali2744 Hanno anche completato il 211 per il Flying Heritage Museum e non hanno avuto il permesso di mostrare alcun test.

[@dimitribartali2744]

Che peccato,sarebbe fantastico vedere un 213 funzionare,e anche un 211

[@BetterAircraftFabric]

Sounds better than a Rock Concert. Love it. Regards from Alaska!

[@ripmax333]

The engine is so clean with very little tubing and wires around the entire Block, although maybe most of the things and between the cylinder head blocks but still the engine looks way ahead of other Engines of the same Era.

[@davidrhoads3023]

And in most ways it was. Where it lagged behind the engines of the other warring nations was the fact that the monolithic engine block made it difficult/impossible for relatively minor failures to be repaired in the field. Broken rings or a burned piston required that the thing go back to depot (almost always on a vulnerable train--you've seen the strafing movies) to be repaired by highly trained technicians. On the other hand, the Quick Change of an entire engine was the fastest and easiest of all the combatants', but squadrons had to carry fresh engines with 'em--a big logistical problem to build, crate an' carry. The Merlin had removable cylinder banks that could be replaced overnight by crew chiefs in the event of the same failure. Almost all of the stuff that could break existed as spare parts.

[@johnmcentegart007]

Amazing. The sound tells me that the mechanical geometries are very high tolerance. The Merlin sounds like tin can full of rusty washers.

[@number1genoa]

You mean like two skeletons fornication in a dustbin:-) I read Somewhere the Merlin cam has a profile that leads to a more lumpy idle , they sure sound smooth as the revs climb though. The smoothest engine I ever heard period, was a Bristol Centaurus sleeve valve unit in a Sea Fury, huge mill too !

[@RaggyAl1971]

You need you hearing tested pal.

[@saabysaabinsky2785]

Darth Vader motor....ominous looking......sounds wonderful!

[@johna.s.3847]

Very much ahead of its time. With fuel injection it could go up to altitude with no icing problems, or mixture to worry about. Less pilot flight load. More time to concentrate on flying and aiming!

[@schecter6l6]

The FW-190 had no mixture no prop control and no supercharger control. Just a throttle control, It was the 1st mechanical computer put in an aircraft.

[@davidrhoads3023]

@@schecter6l6 True. It (BMW 801?) was also pressed into the field before many bugs were worked out, and drove jagdgeschwader (sp?) engineering officers crazy with their frequent failures (including those systems other than the revolutionary power controls) when it first entered operation. The 190 was a formidable adversary early on, pretty much unmatched until the Spitfire IX became operational.

[@shahfuazwan2565]

damn....very nice sound!!

[@wackaircaftmechanic2312]

Thank god there aren’t people trying to hid engine tests of these amazing engines. Thank you!

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@wackaircraftmechanic2312 Unfortunately the engine customers do hide them. Paul Allen's museum was notorious for having their work done in secret. This engine shop built the Jumo 211 for the Allen's new Stuka but they did not have permission to publish a video like this of the 211 on the engine stand. And also they are finishing up a Jumo 213 for a customer and I don't know if they will have permission to film that one either. These owners can be funning about their stuff.

[@pogonomyrmexrugosus6240]

The sound of the supercharger...sublime.

[@lothar29]

OMG so Beautiful sound for my ears

[@jamesb.9155]

My favorite fly-by aircraft is the Messerschmidt Bf-109!

[@imbok]

That is just about as sweet as it gets.

[@maxrpm2215]

The Merlin sounds awesome, the DB605 has that little extra. What I would like to see is the MW50 activated. I can only imagine the note coming out the exhaust. Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@emknight84]

I don't think there is much need for that since it was invented to make up for inferior German wartime fuels lower knock ratings. With modern high octane fuels you get the same higher manifold pressures without needing to use it.

[@maxrpm2215]

@@emknight84 check out this vid of a modern day vehicle with modern day pump fuel running on water methanol injection and you will get an understanding of what it does to an engine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5vIeIGFeNmVl9k

[@mariuspetit8078]

@@emknight84 A higher octane doesn't give one higher manifold pressure. But it DOES allow a higher manifold pressure to be used without the detrimental detonation , and subsequently due to the tolerated higher combustion chamber compression ratio achieved , there's a higher brake mean effective pressure. I.e. more power output. The volatile nature of high octane also gives a denser charge .

[@emknight84]

@@mariuspetit8078 yeah I know. Hence what my post says. They had to strap all these systems to the engines to help reduce the detonation in their engines due to their low octane ad hoc fuels. With modern high octane fuels there wouldn't be much need for them since you could push the engine to the higher Ata settings most likely without the mw50.

[@lapin46]

it will only sound a little harder at a little higher rpm on MW50. I doubt it would be safe to run it at 2000HP on this stand.

[@PaddyPatrone]

sounds wonderfull

[@Falcon109]

Good work... nice music. ;)

[@guyfromfuture1918]

Outstanding

[@mstx1007]

Superb

[@hannemeistersmodellbau2840]

Hammer ! Hammer ! Hammer !!!

[@billywild5440]

Subscribed!

[@spinnetti]

I had something amazing - watched the taxi run video, and I was the "109th" person to like the video! lol

[@kurtovesen2975]

is this the same work shop that kermit visited .that had two jumo 211 and one bmw 801,....the 605 is great engine . sounds raw .the merlins and allisons run softer .still a great job making this old engines run.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+ Kurt Ovesen Yes, and hopefully the owner of the Jumo 213 in the shop will give them permission to film it. The have been testing the BMW 801 for a while, or it might be done. Collings just rolled out their Fw-190 from rebuild. They have already delivered a fresh 211, but the owner did not give them permission to publish any video.

[@dimitribartali2744]

Credo sia l'officina dove riparano i Merlin e i griffon in nuovo messico,hanno riparato anche due 801 e uno e' stato installato su un fw 190 ed è l'unico completamente originale in condizioni di volo😮,i ragazzi di questa officina sono fantastici,riparare un db605 o un 801 o 211 è molto più complicato che riparare i Merlin ,griffon e Allison

[@quovadis5172]

Nice 😊

[@stewartgrant9832]

How could anyone live in an all electric society?

[@jackieeastom8758]

Beautiful’❤

[@number1genoa]

A great engine, bear in mind it has approx 7 litres more displacement than the Merlin for roughly same Performance.

[@nickosbestplayereverexist]

German Engineering it was a 100 years ahead and still is

[@thephilpott2194]

Marginally better view over the nose of an a/c with an inverted vee format, but what is curious about the 600 series is the compression was lower on one bank of cylinders- to compensate for the uneven 'throw' of oil! A Spitfire IX was captured late in the war and re-engined with a DB605. The queue to fly it was long; then again if it was merlin engined the same would have been true. A photo of it (in Stuttgart?) exists.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@thephilpott2194 I also think the uneven compression ratios was to compensate for the asymmetrical intake pressure from the supercharger location.

[@vintageracingdevelopments7290]

Gold!

[@PISTOLERO1988]

How much does one cost DB605 ?

[@dimitribartali2744]

È stato riparato da vintage V12s?

[@schecter6l6]

Merlin's sound a lot like Led Zeppelin but DB605 sound more like Metallica!. It's wider displacement has a certain growl to it that brings a smile to my face. Had the Germans been able to source all the precious metals they needed for piston fighters and axial flow jet engines perhaps they could have produced faster numbers out of these incredible machines during WW II

[@TheMNrailfan227]

That turbo alone has to be bigger than the flathead Tecumseh that’s in my garden tractor

[@TireSlayer55]

supercharger, not turbo

[@RoyksoppPeople]

9-12087 or 9-12059?

[@__pizzaWT]

I’m sure it’s already been said, but no such “ME-109” exists, Messerschmitt is the manufacturer, and the name of the plane this engine is housed in is the Bf-109, a G6 in this instance

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

Got to put it out there, there were data plates on planes saying "ME-109". The designer of the 109 {Willy Messerschmitt} took over BFW.

[@dyer2cycle]

Yep, correct...that is why the earlier ones were referred to as "Bf-109", and later ones as "ME-109"...as an aside, the Focke-Wulf FW-190 late war long-wing development of the FW-190 was referred to as the "TA-152"..for the designer, Kurt Tank...@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537

[@peterstern6695]

Die Me 110 hatte zwei von diesen Motoren Gruß aus Deutschland

[@robertgreenacre1573]

It doesn't matter what motor you put on that truck, it ain't going to fly...….just accept it.

[@spinnetti]

with that much motor, it just might!

[@johnhess8815]

mabe put the spinny thing on top...!!!!

[@Snowaxe3D]

They used to say that If you put a wing and an engine on it it will fly

[@davidbell1619]

Put a J 79 on it it will.

[@ericgoujon]

Yes...!

[@blakemoreno776]

Someone needs to put this in a Miata

[@PattyseggccxR]

It sounds like Darth Vader daughter running away from Vader

[@dyer2cycle]

..They don't quite sound the same as a Merlin or an Allison...very distinct...they are all V-12's of somewhat similar displacement, I wonder is the different sound due to being run inverted, different firing order, head design, or something else?...The Junkers Jumo 213 I saw a video of it running years ago in the FW-190D-13, it sounded different, also..it had a very wicked sound...

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@dyer2cycle Firing order, exhaust shape, and valve timing all affect the engine sound. Compare the Merlin and Griffon, because they have different firing order. The Jumo 213 on the Dora was not running very well at all and could only idle. A shop in CA is building a 213 for a customer and if they will allow some video, it will be nice to hear one running properly.

[@dyer2cycle]

Wow, I sure would like to hear a well-running Jumo 213!...awesome!@@FiveCentsPlease

[@scheffelviolins2644]

"Eargasm"😅

[@P51]

did Mike Nixon build this?

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+ Craig Williams Mike is still there but I think Jose has been doing the DB work (and some Jumo 213 and 211 work.) Mike has been helping to calibrate the BMW 801 for Collings. Mike was also doing the specialized work on the Jumo 211 for Allen's Stuka. The 211 is finished but they didn't have permission to publish any video. Hopefully the new owners of Allen's collection will resume work on the Stuka and we can hear that 211 purr.

[@stevenborham1584]

She didn't sound too happy on that run. Had that have sprung to life like that in a 109 the prop would have turned to match sticks in an instand nose over.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@stevenborham1585 This is one of the first runs after overhaul, so they are getting all of the setting adjusted. Inside the shop they have an array of test equipment to calibrate the fuel pumps, etc. but they still have to get everything happy.

[@stevenborham1584]

I figured as much but I thought that such a big engine may get hurt springing to life too agressively like that.@@FiveCentsPlease

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@@stevenborham1584 The engine is happy and so is the Bf-109G-6. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXzMioFodrqrpKc She turned heads at Oshkosh last year before delivery to the customer in TX. The San Antonio area I think.

[@crhille]

Stuka B-1 water cooler ?

[@tomfey6020]

Likely Shackeleton cooling system.

[@janhaubaum7440]

@@tomfey6020 BF 109 Messerschmitt

[@me262omlett]

Hmm... Yes... Vintage Radials...

[@MegaJani]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice lol

[@alexandru.g8746]

Is it possible to fit this in a truck?

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+ alexandru.g See the Mercedes-Benz T80, which was built with a DB-603 for a land-speed record attempt. No attempt was completed because of the outbreak of WW2, and the car is on display at the Mercedes-Museum.

[@alexandru.g8746]

@@FiveCentsPlease My question was mostly for comedic purpose, but goddamn that thing is sick

[@darkredvan]

@@alexandru.g8746 It would be a sacrilege to put one of the rarest Aero engines in a truck. Take an Allison, Merlin or Griffon if you must, there are tons of them around. Don‘t dare using s DB 60x! 😉😳

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@@darkredvan The fact that no expert hobbyist has managed to get any DB or Jumo or BMW running on an exhibition test stand demonstrates their rarity and complexity. I think Peter Grieve in the UK has been slowing working on Jumo 211 that might end up as a running display a long time from now. Peter is also very busy building engines for other clients.

[@darkredvan]

@@FiveCentsPlease To my knowledge there are even very few experienced engine restoration shops that got DB 60x‘s running. Out of my head there are about 7 or 8 worldwide (including those who closed business) who did so post 1945. Even they had some difficulties to overcome. AFAIK currently there are no more than a handful of them left who are able to get one running.

[@aldrenmariquit8214]

db605 engine is more superior than merlin or griffon.

[@johna.s.3847]

If the p-51 mustang had a DB engine installed, it would have performed drastically better than with the merlin engine installed. Largely due to the direct injection, and the special supercharger. No carb icing and mixture to worry about or inverted negative G maneuvers as well. The DB605 was ahead of its time.

[@hoedemakerbart]

Its not. The later merlins allready had over 2000hp, the griffons even more. The db605 stuck around 1800hp. The fuel injection was a thing though.. it had advantage in that

[@northshepherd8010]

@@hoedemakerbart The allies had a great supply of high octane fuel. The majority of German fuel was made from coal and they had a hard time reaching 90 octane with it. One of the big reasons they developed direct injections for these engines was to combat fuel knock and stretch that 90 octane a little better. If the DB605 was built to run 150 octane fuel, it would perform a little differently.

[@hoedemakerbart]

@@northshepherd8010 the db605 had around the same 37 liters as the Griffon, the merlins had only 27 liter and made more hp allready. It wasn't only the fuel.. the injection system was a thing though. Both engines are great..

[@northshepherd8010]

@@hoedemakerbart I agree! All of these motors are amazing feats of engineering for the era. Scroll down about 1/3 of the way through this page to the "Improved Fuels" section and the horsepower ratings the Merlin made with 87, 100, and 150 octane fuels and how those changes might apply to the DB605's output as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin

[@Emeraude129]

Overlap anyone ?

[@nerd1000ify]

The DB605 runs like 105 degrees of overlap, which goes a long way to explaining the less than smooth idle...

[@khalidmb23]

The db605 is actually in a Mercedes Benz it's a T80

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@khalidmb23 The T80 speed record car used the DB-603.

[@shanethepain2009]

love the whine gear noise compared to a RR merlin

[@dudleysmith5111]

The whine is the supercharger compressor.

[@TeddyFinch-sr5wd]

The whine is a centrifugal supercharger “if I’m not mistaken” it works similar to a turbo charger or a pro charger “correct me if I’m wrong”

[@MegaJani]

@@TeddyFinch-sr5wd Yeah the main difference is that it's driven by the engine itself instead of the exhaust gas

[@abbynormabrain6664]

It’s BF-109 not ME-109…

[@TheHikrr]

Bouth correct

[@adfer8186]

Was it really worth it inverting the engine? Surely not

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

what

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+ Adfer Inverted was the specification adopted for aero engine development in Germany sometime in the 1920s, along with provision for a central cannon. The inverted engines work just as well. A few advantages are pilot visibility and much easier maintenance for the ground crews without ladders. Other countries besides Germany designed and used inverted engines.

[@CDSAfghan]

If you pilot them (with intent to fight) and work on them then surely it was. If you're going for an afternoon lap probably not.

[@nerd1000ify]

The inverted design did give them more than a little bit of trouble. Things like excess oil consumption on one cylinder bank, weird oil system design issues, etc. I think ultimately it was the wrong choice, if only because the designs of the planes they were putting them in didn't really take full advantage of the good points of an inverted engine.

[@schecter6l6]

Dont forget lower center of gravity and more aerodynamic (wider at the bottom)@@FiveCentsPlease

[@BloodyCrow__]

stick it in a volkswagen beetle

[@TA-152H-1]

HORRIDO

[@Paul-G90]

Bloody geek trying to mimic sound of airplane in the sky by playing with revs slowly. I don't work like that kid.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

+@Paul-G90 This is an engine shop and one of the best in the world. After overhaul they test the engines at all RPM ranges up to war-emergency for some engines. They're going to put at least six hours on them before delivery to the customer. Mike does specialty work on some the ultra-rare engines also like the BMW radials and Jumos. They've built the only two BMW 801s that are running in the world.