DBD Twitter didn't believe it

[@notOtzdarva]

I used to think that the ability to check profiles was a god-sent feature because it allowed me to dodge obvious cheaters but nowadays nearly every cheater plays on on Epic Games/Microsoft Store or use Anonymous Mode. So honestly I think perhaps Killers should not be able to see people's profiles until the match is over. But what do you think?

[@danielmolloy1562]

Yeah I agree with that, similar to how survivors cant see Killers perks until the very end.

[@redhusky7439]

Yeah, Ultimately It would be best to hide them. And I'm someone who actually Uses the information for the opposite reasons. I use it to Dodge matches against groups with sub 100 hours or who are brand new. I'm 4200 hours into this game, and I get people with 10 hours. Being able to tell who is who has allowed me to be nice to said players, go into the match with more chill builds ect. But I'm obviously an outlier. The Majority are using it to tunnel the weak link for sure.

[@DarknessDust]

agree with this

[@LuvNight]

I sympathize with the newer players going against 4 P100s with 20k hours each and like them having the option to opt out. But I will admit I've gotten a lot more wins than I should checking hour counts and this was a thing since I started when myers was released. Kinda a hard problem to solve tbh.

[@zello4075]

not really, you still have to think of new killers who have to go against 1000 hours swfs and it helps them prepare mentally for that

[@413X13]

Never thought I’d see the day where someone with 3,500 hours in a game is considered a “Weak Link”

[@notOtzdarva]

I played in a tournament some months ago where I was the obvious weak link of our team with 11,000h 💀 EDIT: That being said, this was just an "experiment" of sorts and I do not to imply that if you're the guy with fewer hours that you're automatically bad or anything. But sadly there's a correlation and many Killers won't hesitate to take advantage of that information.

[@SaiyaDad9000]

Definitely proved my thoughts that unless you have 5k hours you shouldn’t even bother playing. I only have a few hundred and just can’t have fun.

[@hedafox751]

@@SaiyaDad9000 you just have to learn to make your own fun in the game if you are playing survivor... dont worry about winning so much there are a lot of fun perks to play with like blast mine, head on, chemical trap and others

[@Anemyya]

Being the weak link doesn't mean that they are bad or something tho.. it just means that they are the weakest player in that lobby. Which, if you go by hours, was the 3.5k hour player in this specific lobby

[@bilkari8753]

@@misteral9045 Bruh 3.5k is so little for someone who actually plays the game constantly. In my first year of playing dbd i got to 1.5k, and that's not even that high either. Also git gud ? idk?

[@lunnefisk4344]

As someone who utilises a Nemesis duct taped to an aluminium pipe between two recently unhooked default Leons to power her house, if you convince both of them to private their steam profiles the Nemesis is going to try to tunnel them 16% less efficiently and my fridge is going to stop working

[@piemanpeek2357]

I cannot express how much I love this comment

[@Borr77]

Get a 3rd default Leon

[@SUPERGREGGJR]

Jesse what the hell are you talking about

[@GabrielR132]

​@SUPERGREGGJR You are not fluent in Lunnefisk's meme art

[@urgae9125]

Add a Jill, you’ll be set for a while.

[@Villpax]

Pro Tip: Always leave the game running in the main menu overnight to boost your hours and provide missinformation for the killer.

[@moayadhasson1828]

Great tip let your electricity bill take the hit!

[@JDLT14]

every time I see a person with a ridiculous amount of time in game this is what I assume. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they have a life

[@jakez5227]

Yeah then when you go down in 5 seconds you look like a tool

[@legna1932]

​@@JDLT14 is an old game my dude

[@somersfamily]

​@moayadhasson1828 😂 what by 40 cents? I keep the air on 73, have 4 people in the house with 3 systems ect and my bill never goes over 😂😂😂😂

[@NikkiLotte]

Something positive of having a public Steam profile and sharing your art there: I've had cute interactions ( survivors and killers ) telling me that they like my art in chat. I once had a killer who let me go due to my art, it's the sweetest memory I remember when I used to play DBD. However, I was the type of killer who checked the hours of the survivors. Not to tunnel someone out, just to be aware of said survivor. I even dodged lobbies when I saw people with a crazy amount of hours due to anxiety. It surprised me that some people think this isn't a thing. IT'S a thing.

[@extpoint498]

See this is the plus side to seeing profiles. Seeing players with love and care put into their profiles is always super nice to see, Mine for example is fully customized in a Alien theme and I love it when people get to see the hard work I put in.

[@marcuscaestus3583]

this is so wholesome :) I just get death threats

[@tikki2340]

I love playing killer mor as a game master type role, so if I see a baby I love getting to face them for pickups or not mind game tiles sometimes, like just trying to give them cool moments they can feel proud of.

[@bigbraingameplay7846]

​@@marcuscaestus3583Lore accurate steam experience

[@TheSkizzler]

So basically ur bad and cringe so you have to dodge players who are better than you

[@SGz_Eliminated]

The fact Otz got matched with a person only on 200 hours is insane, I've only got 300 hours and the difference in skill between myself and Otz is worlds apart.

[@heroinfather316]

well prbably because the 200hr person was playing with a friend with way more hours

[@mawunyoa8824]

I’m surprised people are surprised by this. People have been checking hour counts on profiles since 2018 dbd, it’s always been a thing, it’s crazy people are just now finding out about this

[@DeadFTP]

Ft

[@PureOctarine]

I'm surprised your surprised people are surprised by this.

[@adrianstjarnfaldt9895]

​@@PureOctarinebruh

[@Bootssugarleaf]

@@PureOctarine I'm surprised your surprised they're surprised people are surprised by this.

[@badlynice4692]

​@Bootssugarleaf this is very outrageous.

[@Maspital]

Not touching DBD with a ten-foot-pole anymore, but Otzs content is always so soothing to watch. no matter what he actually talks about. For me, DBD is the definition of that meme "Thinking about doing X [smiling girl] VS. actually doing X [girl in tears]"

[@notOtzdarva]

Sorry to hear, but thank you so much for the support.

[@jomama6937]

good choice considering the game feels like it unintentionally tries to get you addicted again when you play after taking a break, by giving you a decentful handful of easy matches

[@jomama6937]

good choice considering the game feels like it unintentionally tries to get you addicted again when you play after taking a break, by giving you a decent handful of easy matches

[@erg1947]

@@jomama6937 actually the opposite. MMR doesn't take breaks into account as far as we know although I guess maybe that changed since the last time dataminers leaked how it works.

[@Ross516]

​​@@jomama6937that's just... How decaying MMR works. A lot of games with MMR systems have that. It's so you don't get thrown into the deep end if you haven't played in awhile.

[@wheremybike]

This problem isn’t even just coming from the killer perspective. There are survivors that will check the hours of the other players in their lobbies and then dodge based on that. I remember one time I tried to watch a Skermzzz stream and I legitimately could not bare to do it because he spent over 20 minutes just checking hours and dodging lobbies.

[@therealfirehero]

Why wouldn’t they dodge lobbies if they are trying to win? No one wants to play with 3 console bots that gets downed 10 seconds into the match If you really want to fix core of the problem bhvr needs to make a ranked mode and a casual mode and they needed this years ago No one has fun when they have over 2k hours and they get matched with 500 hours players against try hard killers

[@watchmehope6560]

​​@@therealfireheroconsole bots. Sweetie you're too old to think console vs PC is some evidence of skill. In my experience as console PC players are the worst. Does it mean all pc players suck? No. Lol. And your request of rank mode is dented. Sweats will not play rank. They'll stay on causal. Play some apex and you'll understand.

[@websiteusage518]

hi, i think you confused Skermz with Probzzz! might wanna edit that

[@jblancard]

i've never seen skermz do that, he checks profiles often and may just do a silly comment or something but not dodge, i've seen him dodge a Leon once tho

[@websiteusage518]

@@jblancard thats because its not Skermz they are talking about, they confused him with another streamer

[@mayuwu4408]

While watching the intro I felt like this would be the kind of older type of Otz video where he'd talk about an issue with the game in hopes the devs may listen or that raising awareness would bring it to their attention, but after his latest video he said he wouldnt do that anymore so I was suprised to see it. (Although he does address his thoughts about this issue in that regard at the end of the vid very briefly) Then I noticed that the way he talks about the issue and who he's talking to in this video is different; it's not directed towards the developers, it's directed towards the community, and what someone as an individual can do to mitigate this issue in their own personal games. It's sad that the devs aren't really listening, but it's really cool to see Otz still trying to make a positive impact on the community and game as a whole.

[@grisu1934]

I love checking the profiles of my enemies/mates. Not to check hours or to gain an advantage but just todo something while waiting for them to ready up and i like to get a small view of the personality of the people i play with.

[@Jewellman-zz3is]

nga you weird

[@grisu1934]

@@Jewellman-zz3is could be xD

[@motomutant]

@@Jewellman-zz3isnah bruh you weird 😭

[@urgae9125]

@@Jewellman-zz3ishey man, they could have a nice game and possibly become friends who play together if they like the same stuff. You don’t like it? Private your profile lol.

[@Jewellman-zz3is]

Thats a weird fanfic but alr@@urgae9125

[@rtristan8572]

4:41 That one was literally unavoidable. They can blind you during the extra time they added a while back and, unlike with flashlights, there is nothing you can do becouse you cannot move and looking towards a wall doesn't work either.

[@DBZHGWgamer]

Yea, flashbangs feel so bad to play against as killer now. Before a survivor really had to outplay you or you be a major idiot to flashbangs save, now it just feels like a nearly unavoidable obstacle. Only thing you can do is slug and then everyone complains about slugging.

[@sulfuradog1921]

yeah unavoidable flashbang are the bread and butter of the new bully squad breeds

[@EpicEerie]

Lightborn has entered the chat

[@f1redemon966]

​@@EpicEerieyeah but you can't see if they bring the flashbang perk

[@BrightWulph]

​@@DBZHGWgamerYep, I missed out on an easy 2K in EGC because of a flashbang. I couldn't have gotten any closer to the wall than I was, and yet they still got the save. Part of me gets it, it's so flashbangs don't become completely useless. But it juat sucks that the killer being stuck in an animation prevents them from shielding their eyes.

[@blumhlx]

I'm in a hiatus from DBD but Otz is right about killers checking hour counts. If I get 2 people with over 5k hours I'm dodging because I know I'm not going to have fun.

[@juggernogsoda4515]

Yeah thats totally fine and i dont get why people are downplaying it

[@juggernogsoda4515]

Im on a hiatus too, it feels so bland playing anymore

[@koljap7642]

I, 80h total player, am always going to change lobies when I see the guy who has 15-20x or more hours than I do. It is simple as that. I am looking to have fun, not be had fun off of. I DO play against sub 700h guys on the regular, and I am not sure i even get people with lower hour count than I have.

[@nathansteele7189]

The day I stopped playing DBD my life got better

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

Yes and that's not an issue...Why a killer can't check hours of the survivors to avoid playing against sweats? I dont get why Otz it's defending more and more the survivors.

[@xXkirekireXx]

When I started playing I checked the profiles and noticed that I went up against survivors with 1000+ hours. I only had like 50 hours in the game myself at that time. I didn't necessarily check the profiles to see who I could tunnel, but rather to see if I'd have a fair game, and avoid it if the difference is too egregious

[@Shiro_Sage]

Pretty much exactly what I did. Now, on the rare occasions I play, I almost never check the hours or even bother paying attention to the items survivors bring. As soon as I get into a lobby and ready up, I either look down on my phone or alt+tab out lol

[@TLV_Enjoyer]

There's just no new players. Period. It's the same for me as a 50 hour survivor going up against 2000+ hour killers. No chance. No fun. No game. I had only 2 fun public games in all the 50 hours, and they were against 100 hour killers.

[@xeryzas8303]

@@Shiro_Sage Yep, same goes for me, I'll check if I feel like I remember that specific survivor, but often times I'll just ready as soon as I get in a lobby and tab out lmao

[@koljap7642]

well, i am fairly new, having 80h in a year, mostly main killer, and I do not find it very amusing being looped by one Claudette for 4 gens, and only when I get her down after bloodlust level 573 and ate every pallet on the map, just for her to be saved by another same exact dressed Claudie with a flashlight. Pretty speficific, I know.@@TLV_Enjoyer

[@ems8717]

@@koljap7642sometimes it’s better to leave a chase. When u see them run to shack or main u should prob avoid specially if they are healthy also make sure y look down or up immediately while picking up or against the walls. Avoided many flashes like that

[@7MANButter]

Remember that there's even challenges that literally consist on tunneling, "Kill the obsession by any means 0/2"

[@ScientificParadox]

Just use rancor/devour

[@Flotter-Flo]

@@ScientificParadox Just 4k... who cares who the obsession is. Free choice on who to tunnel, then plow the rest.

[@FancyDBD]

I think its also good to note that this is done in the competitive scene as well. We will take the time to analyze the team we're going against (sometimes) and note who the "weakest link" is based on previous performances. This isn't just a DBD thing, this acute metagaming is done in almost every gaming medium possible that has both: an inkling of competitiveness and some length of 1v1 capacity.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Yeah, but DBD players love to act like everything was invented in DBD and if it gives them the bad feelings it must be problematic and toxic.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@Seoul_Soldier When a game is intended to be a casual game (and we can tell by design decisions and developer comments), it is problematic and toxic. People doing this while playing Mario Party is an issue, and it's an issue in DBD. Not an issue when it happens in Siege. Don't get me wrong, when a game is designed and balanced around those things, it can be a great game. Plenty of games out there that have competitiveness, are team games, and have time where players 1v1 for an extended amount of time.

[@halfheart3290]

@@leadpaintchips9461 That is great that it was intended to be a casual game, but people like to win as with all multiplayer games. At that point its not really an issue with dbd, but the players. And you can't really tell people "Hey stop trying to win as much". I know they teased some ideas for other game modes which might help that out, but in reality there is nothing you can really do to stop people from optimizing to win more often and therefore making metas.

[@b2modby]

It is *impossible* to make a casual team based pvp game with online matchmaking. Even casual party games you play with your friends offline are famous for bringing out competitive streak and "ruining" friendships, and you expect people to play nice with random strangers online?

[@Corrupted]

Rated battlegrounds in WoW used to (still do?) mass chat report members of the opposing team during matches so they get temp banned lmao, that's the final boss of metagaming

[@Scarlett_Horror]

The first team was actually crazy, glad to see otz giving credit were credit is due

[@undeadman7676]

I remember distinctly trying to have a nuanced conversation about the balance of eruption on the steam forums and being immediately called out for having a private profile. They told me to reveal it because my stance that "eruption is broken right now" meant I was so terrible that I had to be a sub-2k hour andy and i got about 20 people telling me to make it public so they could shame me for it. I've seen other posts throughout the near decade of this game's lifespan mirror this mindset, both in comments, in videos, even in Otz's own commentary as he tries to sus out whether or not a player is cheating; private profiles = bad at the game or lying. Hearing Otz ask the community to effectively 180 their stance on private profiles is a sign of the times. I can't imagine this problem ever being resolved by the devs, so the only possible solution is for the community to take half-measures.

[@notOtzdarva]

The problem is that nowadays the cheaters either use Anon Mode or play on other platforms, so checking profiles to "sus out" cheaters is basically impossible. So yeah, with that gone, I see zero reason for this feature to keep exisitng sadly.

[@cancersticks2048]

Otz truly a champion. He said he’s not doing the vids to help the dbd team but he’s still out here helping us in any way he can.

[@cancersticks2048]

I wrote that while paused then he goes “ I found the weakest player and tunneled them out the game “ lmao still a champion but might be more like a gladiator

[@notOtzdarva]

@@cancersticks2048 Lmfao.

[@СЫССЫСОВИЧ-г7о]

Please Otz, keep doing these videos. BHR may not watch them as much as we want, but you are raising awareness and dissatisfaction of certain parts of the game, which eventually leads to quicker changes.

[@notOtzdarva]

I don't think anything will be done but I hope this helps some people that don't understand why they always get tunneled out first.

[@yas2316]

@@notOtzdarva honestly i think some killers even will check ping and go for the highest ping. why wouldnt they just like they check hours and dodge lobbies decide to go for the higher ping? thats when anti loop killers especially feel bad, not because we want easy mode but some of us will always have high ping and that limits you so much ingame. vault = get hit. dont vault = get hit. palette drop = get hit. dont palette drop = get hit. ping affects flashbang and flashlight uses and saves and on and on

[@brittenysawyer8691]

I can't help but think this video shouldn't encourage you to hide your hours. You gain experience in looping by getting chased but sitting on a gen because 1 person can loop for 5 gens doesn't help you in the long run. 😅 Also to be fair having to drop chase and play scummy is how killers have to play to even get a 1-2k and feel like their having "fun" as much as survivors. There is a reason why people only play certain killers now. If they have a harder time tunneling someone out the game that just encourages players to pick killers like blight nurse or skull merchant. Nobody wants to play killer and have a 1:9 win to lose ratio with pig, legion, or twins. Winning is fun that's why survivors wanna escape not take chase, cleanse all 5 totems or open a chest and waste time for the killer to have decent time to get hooks in. People should want the experience and killers should have a right to feeling good after a match more often.

[@yatrtiah]

What kind of changes you expect from BHVR to be made based on this information though? Making all profiles private? Removing the feature to make your account private?? Punish killers who just so happen to tunnel the person with the least amount of hrs???

[@tbone7289]

@@dootie8285based take tbh. People are only concerned about one feature when it really comes down to strategy (good or bad) to tunnel someone. Gens start popping like crazy? The whole “be nice, not cringe” or whatever this community made up doesn’t suddenly doesn’t apply for a lot of killers and doesn’t address any of the reasons tunneling is bad and should be removed, prevented, etc(?)

[@piralos1329]

I have definitely checked profiles a fair few times, albeit mostly out of curiosity than a desire to tunnel out a weak link. As you said, you learn little from chasing someone with few hours, whilst you learn a lot more by chasing someone with more! Plus, if you do end up finding someone with a super low hour count, that's a chance to make their day, or at least help them learn something new!! A bit of kindness rarely hurts

[@jakez5227]

Wish more people played like you. I do this too. I play both sides and think hopefully I’m giving some good practice for a newer player. I’m sure they will be a teammate in a future game. If they’re better because of some practice that will benefit both of us.

[@bobjones580]

after seeing that 200 hour guy that felt bad tunneling is one thing but when you know that they're the weakest link ahead of time it just feels gross

[@Eljacob0]

Dang I never even thought to do this as killer! Thanks Otz!

[@motomutant]

anyway

[@stellarchaos]

Honestly seems like a simple fix is to only allow profile viewing after the match is over.

[@foxscout219]

the only reason i check profiles if its a ttv and i cant read their name in game so i go to the profile to read it easier so i can say "glhf" before the match starts

[@thejetspace]

Honestly it's so dumb that it's not a thing already

[@Pedro-vm1vg]

why should you fix something that isnt broken

[@brusselseastside3546]

they're gonna assume you're stream sniping better to wait until after. if you're able to see stream before game starts why wouldn't you do it during@@foxscout219

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

Why? Tell me why a killer should enter a match blind without knowing if they're playing on a swf, solos or against weak/strong players? This is NOT an issue and theres NOTHING to fix here.

[@cobalt2672]

I really hope this isn't common, because, well, this is a game where 200 hours (just to emphasise, if you played DBD as your *full-time job* that's just under _five weeks' worth_ of game time) is considered 'very low'. If people around that level get bullied out because they're the weak link, how is the game expected to keep players beyond their first few games? It's such a massive time investment to get above that 'bullying' threshold that I wouldn't blame anyone for quitting and doing something else with their spare time.

[@hunt9999]

You hit the nail right on the head. To counter tunneling just play this game and don’t go to work or anything else🤣 if that’s really what people think then this is definitely a cult.

[@ADownedPhoenix]

I personally like having the ability to check profiles for one big reason: the friends list. If i know how many players are on comms i can expect them to play a certain way and play around it. And if it is a 4 man team i can switch on forced penance or forced hesitation (or dodge if im playing Trapper or something equally weak)

[@omcomphonetapes1315]

Are we allowed to inflate our own egos for having never checked profiles for hours/swf cause I'm gonna

[@WolfsOcean]

I don't either and have never done so. Assuming some one skill based on hours is absolutely a way to lose IMO. I'm still flabbergasted that the notion of 3500H is considered low... maybe in this particular match... I would never consider it "low" by any means lll

[@omcomphonetapes1315]

@@WolfsOcean its the thing i always refuse to believe. If you played a game for 100hrs vs. 1000hrs you might still suck so it's a worthless measure of skill

[@Malog.]

I think the big problem with tunneling is not that 1 person is 100% getting out, but that the rest of the team is will be super easy to kill.

[@Kjllo1216]

If sbmm actually worked out and placed good players against each other this wouldnt be a problem. But we're stuck with this crappy jeff matchmaking now and its been worse than ever for both sides.

[@djekdozovitch3679]

Not necessarily. Its just one less man on a gen constantly so its more time overall. And stuff happens.

[@chrisd.6291]

Not unless they are focused on doing gens and not trying to save the “weak link” by any means necessary.

[@brusselseastside3546]

??? Why would you NOT try to save the "weak link". Understand that this is all relative the weak link in the first game is a player with multiple thousand hours. The game should have been a 4k had Otz not made a couple grave mistakes and if he was playing a stronger killer would've been a 4k regardless of the mistakes. If they're more than 1 maybe 2 depending on progress gens left and 1 person dead the game is practically over. Survivors body block because it works lol no one wants to give a tunneling killer an even easier win@@chrisd.6291

[@brusselseastside3546]

That's like not how it works at all. Surley you wouldn't say having 2 survivors left is just the same game just longer? Decreasing the efficeny of gens is how you win the game wtf? Why would pain res and pop be two of the most common killer perks if it turns a 0k over 5 minutes to a 0k over 7 minutes. The ability to slow down gen speeds by knocking one survivor out the match so early is why it works. You make it seem like it's still the same outcome just over a longer period. I do not blame killers who tunnel, some people just want to win and 'morals' in a videogame is silly but acting like aggresivelly tunneling out one survivor doesn't guarentee 80+% of your games if you're using a decent killer is insane.@@djekdozovitch3679

[@ShinyTheBoneTickler]

This is a feature that 100% needs to go, with the prestige levels (maybe even items?), sadly there is not much we can do at this point if BHVR doesn't do something by themselves ---> You shows hours, you might be ignore just for that; ---> Your anon mode, you might do something that looks slightly too good, and the chase ends in 10 seconds; ---> Your anon mode and you do a mistake, hardcore tunnel ( normally not a problem, but on solo Q during events, it can be); ---> Playing the P100 is out of question sometimes (last minute change, gets you avoided/not last minute change and you get a lot of dodge's); ---> Playing it less exp friends is okay if they can deal with the tunnel, but it's impossible to bring new friends into the game because A it's a hard game to get into, and B they might just get tunnel because the killer knows they are weaker ( either cosmetics/ prestige level / name or the profile) and it's a massive red flag to a game if you have to tell your friends " yea but you have to hide your account).. It's unhealthy, i hope it gets better this year!

[@ambidextrouslamia9635]

I never would have thought about checking profiles to know the weak link by hours 😭😭😭 but now i bet every killer is going to do this ...

[@djekdozovitch3679]

People did this prior to this video, if anything people just may become more aware and check more often.

[@jakez5227]

Smurf accounts negate all this

[@LeesStillGaming]

The ability to open someones steam/xbox/playstation etc profile before the match is dumb anyways. It shouldn't be possible until at least end game imo

[@Pinhead9939]

@@Happy55547 Checking steam profiles and seeing prestige's are two very different things, also thats not how mmr work. You would be put back into the softcap after winning like 3 games, you're just not good at killer

[@chapmaniax5195]

Can't play this game anymore because the gap in my skills and the requierments to just survive a lobby is so high but I had great memories :) But, I can't bring myself to stop watch Otz, cause it's always great contents and Otz is really a kind and fun person. So, Bizou from France M.Loutre :)

[@hunt9999]

Yeah it’s complete insanity, just play most of your life away in one game to counter tunneling is the most cult thing I’ve ever heard. Like what??? The devs should just fix it, but they won’t so I rarely waste my time on dbd.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

No exaggeration I have over 500 hours in the game. And I’m still considering relatively newish to the game in comparison to most other players. It’s wild

[@lebron73]

I have around 1.2k hours and I feel like I'm still not that good

[@chapmaniax5195]

398 hours, mostly killers or survivors (but I was carried by my friends) @@CoOlKyUbI96 But, I must admit Dbd still remains a really original game with it gameplay. I just don't have the thick skin to take pleasure in it anymore ^^

[@Roundsisfunny]

the playtime is suprisingly true to higher hour players, and i have actually played 6 games in a row WITH my high hour friends WITH public profile open, can u guess who was tunneled ? me with 300 hours (i been playing on console so im no new player i just switched to pc) they were going "these killers are lame just tunneling u" until i realized maybe its because i have so low hours. its sad really because the killers would only go for me and only look for me. not an enjoyable experience getting tunneled for 6 games with barely any perks available due to me being new on pc.

[@shawnmclaren8924]

Run a full anti-tunnel build and embrace the attention to get better at looping. Trust me when I say it doesn't matter how many hours you have if they chase you and can't get an easy down they'll leave and tunnel the next person they think will be less challenging. Killers are all like minded in that they all play for the easiest route to a win. That's why so many killers dc when they realize no one is going to be an easy target.

[@Расколников]

stealth until first chase and hug gens, also ask your high hour friends to 1v1 you in a custom game with an m1 killer to practice looping so you wouldn’t handicap the team by being shit

[@halfheart3290]

I doubt even half of those killers that tunneled you checked your hours. If you get tunneled like that, likely its just because you played bad it doesn't take a genius to think "man I can make this a 3v1 pretty easy with this guy".

[@Roundsisfunny]

@@halfheart3290 i literally am not a new player to be bad at looping thats aw hile guessi always loop them for atleast 3 gens or more and just end up dying because they end up just following me all game

[@Расколников]

@@Roundsisfunny then you shouldn’t mind being tunneled because you’re winning the game in that case. If you really run the killer for 3 gens you should easily be able to put up a 5 gen tunnel and all of your other teammates escape. If you want to escape just run anti tunnel and tell your teammates to take hits for you. You could also make them run for the people and give you full heal off hook for extra security

[@dominicblignaut944]

I get what you are saying, but I don't wanna private my steam. Imagine a lot of people are in the same boat?

[@topkapi9351]

The synopsis of this video: "Tunneling is lame. More news at 11." I say this with love, not sarcasm, because Otz is right.

[@thefailbender]

That’s so weird. On the rare chance I actually check Steam profiles, if I see someone with less than 50 hours, I usually play nice and let them go in the end LOL

[@notOtzdarva]

That's really cute but it might actually be counterproductive as you're kinda pushing them into a higher MMR potentially 😅

[@Evalora]

@@notOtzdarva technically only a problem because of mmr, like a lot of things in the game

[@laarman.]

@@notOtzdarvalong-term bullying

[@Zennethe]

Hatch doesn't boost mmr so.....@@notOtzdarva

[@bardmleczny6865]

otzdarva with tunneling being: "to fight the abyss, one must become it"

[@tobinjacobson4315]

I used to look at profiles back in the day, when I wasn't too confident about my killer skills. Now, I don't bother, because I find it's a lot more fun to play the game out and see who's the weak link within the game through chases and stuff. It forces me to work harder and think harder, and it's definitely helped me get a lot better at killer by not worrying about hours.

[@b4rk_b4rk]

I am one of those people that check peoples profiles when I can, it does give a leg up on how I should approach my match if I want to win or complete a challenge.

[@Night_Hawk_475]

I think it's worth noting that there is a bigger reason that I personally find myself tunneling as a killer main: the "solution" to tunneling listed here where many copies of DS/OTR are brought is more than just a counter to tunneling - if you don't tunnel against a team with those perks they WILL weaponize them against you. Every survivor will take hits and force you into downing people with DS, or bodyblock with OTR if they know you're not tunneling. You'll eat four DS in a match before your first kill unless you actively try to ignore the other three and force yourself to pick one/two people to tunnel out as early as you can. "Anti tunneling" perks have been able to be utilized by survivors aggressively even when you're not tunneling them, and every time DBD tries to "nerf" tunneling by making anti-tunneling more powerful it only ends up further incentivizing tunneling because those same anti tunneling measures will be things you have to go through four times instead of once if you don't tunnel. BHVR really needs to work on rewarding killers who don't tunnel rather than giving survivors more aggressive weapons they can use regardless of tunneling. Edit: I wrote this before watching that first match, but it really proves my point. All the anti tunneling mechanics the other survivors used to punish otz would have been even worse if he'd tried to actually spread pressure to everyone at the start. Personally I do believe that killers shouldn't be able to see profiles/hours at the start of the game, or at least that anonymous mode should be default (if survivors really want to disable it to show off they should still be allowed to).

[@lemalame]

Most concise and accurate comment so far from everyone in this section.

[@gigure9411]

Oh yeah I hate it when survs weaponise anti tunnel like that makes me tunnel them out of the game out of spite

[@Night_Hawk_475]

@@gigure9411yeah, fundamentally all of BHVR's anti-tunnel perks/mechanics have ended up being good tools for survivors even if you don't tunnel, which is such a big part of the problem. They need to stop trying to punish tunneling directly and start making other player styles feel better, because every time they try to nerf tunneling they end up nerfing the other styles even more too.

[@cherry9787]

How have people turned this party game into the sweatiest thing alive lmfao

[@camoking3609]

Dbd fans having a duel for the ages against League fans for the most toxic multi-player gaming experience imaginable

[@sett7209]

​@@camoking3609League Of Cancer

[@muysli.y1855]

Short answer Hiden MMR

[@Flotter-Flo]

I think you're mistaking good players with "sweats". Sweats are people who think they're good but are actually just slightly above average and abuse things to look better than they are. Checking profiles is 100% fair game. Turn private if you don't want it checked, it's just that simple.

[@cherry9787]

@@Flotter-Flo I have never heard of anyone else in gaming talk about looking at people's play time to find a "weak link" lmfao. Even back in super sweaty Halo 3/Reach Tryhard lobbies on 360, you didn't have nerds looking at playtime and targeting a player

[@arthaiser]

honestly i havent ever check a profile before, but i might start now, looks like a good way to give me an edge as a killer, something that i really need to be able to enjoy the game on that side, thank otz, you have convinced me of doing exactly what you didnt want me to do, but it was still good advice

[@motomutant]

anyway

[@Zennethe]

this is what otz does tho. calls out bad things he dislikes that are not really that prevalent. makes them popular via exposure. then the forums mimic Otz. then BHVR changes things.@@motomutant

[@ShevaAlomar301]

such a weak bait

[@makuIa]

i’ve come back after a few months & i’m having so much fun because I don’t take it seriously anymore. I went against the same NOED wraith twice in a row & honesty had a fun time with my fellow soloq teammates. once you stop caring, it’s pretty enjoyable throwing a snowball at a killer then running for your life

[@twoturtlesinabathtub]

Best outlook to have, treating DbD as the kind of game it really is at its core: a party game. Why play a game if you aren't having fun?

[@jorritven]

I used to check profiles of survivors when I started playing killer, I was very bad and I didn’t feel like playing against 2k hours players constantly. Back when I started learning killer there was a mmr problem, so I faced players with up to 4K hours while I only have 500 (around 120 at the time).

[@thelastgamer1]

Bro I checked steam profiles for years as a survivor player so I have an idea of what kind of match I’m gonna have. Is it always right? No but it usually is lol the 100 hour claud player usually doesn’t surprise me

[@gurshu12]

To be fair, Otz, you've checked profiles plenty of times before matches to get a read on your opponents too.

[@skerpi4068]

checking profiles of survivors has been a legit early game strategy for ANY killer since 2016.

[@ihmislehma]

.... Yeah I check profiles, to get an idea of "in general" what I'm up against. It NEVER occurred to me to use it as a "who's the weak link".

[@FinalFrontier101]

The "Wesker's sock" thumbnail 😂 just realized what type of sock it is.

[@Becquiel]

I don't really play dbd anymore but love you otz, this is a really big issue for newer players if they want to play with any friends that have any remote amount of time in the game. It is so unfun to be tunneled out of a game and sometimes there's not really much you can do about it even when you know what you're doing or have a build for it, but it really feels bad to be targeted every game when youre new. Just watching everyone else play a 3v1 and either makes you angry or feel bad. The fact that it has only become more optimal over time is why I really can't bring myself to play anymore since many of my other friends are much more casual with games and I have much better games to play solo.

[@NIGHTMARE_Omni]

Keep it up otz the only one who deserve the best creator award of dbd

[@Jesusloveswhitetoes]

Stop the glazing

[@dueldawg]

@@Jesusloveswhitetoesname someone else

[@Jesusloveswhitetoes]

@@dueldawgcan name you 5

[@hermitcrab5586]

Commenting here just so I can follow this interesting discussion

[@GetAfckinlife]

@@Jesusloveswhitetoeshe’s decent at what he does but most of all has the most influence on the community

[@user13]

Yeah, idk why twitter guys were so surprised. This thing was existed way back. And i even remember doing this playing as the killer to spot a stronger player.

[@Astral161]

Man watching Otz play Clown with Arinad's tips just makes me feel alive. I appreciate someone who understands the clown tech :3

[@Haileycartero]

Not gonna lie, I 100% do this, even as a survivor I’ll check other survivor hours.

[@littleghosty9498]

Interesting fact. If you have opted into the Steam beta client you can actually private specific titles. That way you can still show off your profile without giving away real specific information.

[@irenwire]

imagine someone in egc asks otzdarva "why did you tunneled me out" and otz will answer some shit like "this was for science"

[@omgcattreatz9209]

Really scraping the bottom of the content barrel here if you're trying to prove going after less experienced targets is easier. Streamers after I hide my Steam profile because I don't want people creeping on me: "Cheater." "Profile hidden. Pretty sus." "Coward is hiding their profile." Even YOU, Otz have done this at least once: "Hidden profile. May be a cheater."

[@spicewiener7767]

Maybe have a glass of water and calm down

[@isaknorlin1307]

I used to check Steam profiles when I played, but it was only to see if the survivors had each other on their friends list. I only faced full on sweats, trash talkers and bullysquads if they were.

[@citronvi0let847]

I refuse to believe some survivors dont know killers check profiles... I swear all killers have been doing it since 2018...

[@fennic6892]

Probably the first time I was rooting for the Survivors over Otz. Insane 1st game.

[@edward222100]

1st game showed me how the state of dbd is just in ruins. if Otz had gone for anyone else, he'd have had a 1k at most

[@bondrewd4831]

You're the one that want this. Kills over hooks right? So don't cry about tunneling

[@cscrambledeggs]

It was funny watching Otz stress because we were chilling the entire time, hah. I had fun that game too!

[@h445]

@@edward222100 he was also Clown, lol

[@edward222100]

@@h445 Its his career mate

[@fionaguox]

I remember when they were testing the not showing Prestiges in lobby before games, was when I had the best time playing killer. I think its okay to have survivors be able to see each other's prestiges just to get a feel for how experienced others are in your lobby. However, as a killer, I enjoyed not knowing how much someone has played, as it gives me peace of mind, and allows me to enjoy the game how I wanted to. I know Prestige levels aren't an indication of how good someone is, but higher prestige does equal to more time spent in game (to level characters up). So yes, I do agree that if survivors aren't able to see killer levels/perks until endgame, then killers shouldn't be allowed to see survivor profiles until endgame either.

[@1KilledKenny1]

You have to remember it's a 4x1 game, it's fair the killer have some advantages like that

[@Cynwale]

@@1KilledKenny1 They don't care at all, they're here to bully the Killer, and have all the advantages for themselves, SWF are literal egomaniacs thinking the entire world should bow to them.

[@cameron4332]

I just wanna still see peoples profiles, it would be nice if you included at the end that you are still for seeing them in the end of game screen. It definitely is fun to see who you were into and how many hours they had to estimate how well you did.

[@Bombaycat]

You might be able to find players that are easier to tunnel out in lower ranked matches but once you hit a certain amount of hours, you're going to find too many players who know how to lengthen chases, take hits for other players, and know how to save players that are getting tunneled; I think on higher levels that you have to tunnel two at once or just use nasty perks or add-ons

[@PsySlik]

I check steam profiles all the time as a Killer main since I main mid-low tier Killers like Wraith and Doctor. I'd rather dodge a lobby I'm not going to have fun in than let some sweatlords bully me in a video game to feel better about themselves.

[@cupof_tea4854]

What you are talking about is the problem of selecting an MMR system. I wrote about it the other day that I quit the killer game. As a beginner, I'm not interested in playing against the survivors in the team who mock me, laugh and play toxic. I want to learn, but I can't because the only thing I can see is their clock in the game. I have 300 hours, why should I suffer and now be bullied by those who play 1000+ hours? BHVR needs to bring back the old ranking system so that I, at my 18th rank, play against the same players of the 18th rank, and not a full 100 prestige team with lanterns.

[@CarIosRollo]

you can accually still see the hours someone have by changing the link to a private profile at the end to /reviews and If they have dbd review you can see the hours

[@ebertonsouza]

I hope that message at the end touch some hearts. Toxicity has been especially annoying these days...

[@BrightWulph]

This might explain why, before I took a break at the beginning of December, as to why I was getting tunnelled out of a lot of games (outside of having TTV in my name) because people would see my profile, see that I only have 300 hrs in DbD and decide that I was the weakest and easiest link to get out of the game. And ofc that turns out to be a self fulfilling prophecy when youre not allowed to sit and breathe for two seconds. 😅😅😅

[@butterwutterfly]

Well this is really scary to know as someone with under 50 hours who very recently bought dbd and only plays with friends (which we hardly get time to do) because my friends wanted a full player lobby

[@xFrosten]

Leaving the hours for the killer to see is way better. Like if you're a newer player don't be afraid of getting chased or getting tunnelled, it's literally the most crucial part of the game to learn, so if you do get tunneled, you are just way more likely to get better at looping. When I was at 200 hours I would literally run into the killer or be extremely obnoxious if they refused to chase me, just so that I could learn, and my looping has increased tremendously.

[@moonyfruit]

Makes sense, tbh. I have pretty average MMR, especially at 1800 hours, but my friends have A LOT less hours than I do, and I rarely get tunneled out and they do often. I will suggest we private our profiles since it happens so much.

[@VileVamp]

Some real robots out there on Twitter, especially dbd twitter.

[@KuariThunderclaw]

The hours thing would explain why I've had times where a killer actively chased after and tunneled me even when there were much closer and easier players to catch... hell, I've led some on a merry chase, gotten crazy amounts of distance and they STILL wouldn't leave me be. It's made me better at looping, sure, but god was it not worth the games I got tunneled out and literally not able to do anything. There's definitely a reason I'm a killer main. And also a reason I refuse to do this crap to people, even if it costs me a kill or two (although usually I'm fine)

[@HockeyM.M.]

if they were that adamantly against the possibility of majority of killers actually doing that strat it shows their lack of game experience and time, all the ogs are well aware of that

[@Shadowborg]

I've been playing DBD off and on for years, mostly killer, and I have literally never even thought to check the survivors steam profile before the match.

[@Deadfiend99]

Its sad the state of players mindsets i love checking peoples hours and see sooo many private, i love seeing if i played beyond my bounds being only 950 as a killer main but although i took my early dbd days alot more seriously than i maybe should have and definitely do now, i was glad to have such a great teacher and mentor in you

[@arbi018]

I only check if they are a swf group if they look sussy in the lobby

[@dozzy9984]

I knew about checking profiles since I started playing DBD, but it was more of a check what people write about the person kind of thing, rather that sniping lowest hour players. That feels dirty. I'm not really sure if I should hide my profile or not, because technically my Steam hours are fake (I have like few hundred hours more on Epic, because I started there then migrated to Steam after I got gifted Stranger Things DLC, so I had to migrate after such a gift). But I'll definietly talk with my friends about eventual hiding of the hours, especially the newer one. Btw. about anti tunneling - I would really recommend Made for This, especially with Off the Record or Dead Hard (or if it still works, maybe even DS, so you have OTR into MFT into DS into DH into MFT). It's like the only anti tunnel perk that still has decent value without being tunneled (thanks to that endurance it provides). I literally had a game where killer decided to tunnel me, hit me right of hook and regretted it (I managed to chase with him for like 4 gens and even lived, because friend at the end took a protection hit), thanks to very lucky map layout spawn which worked wonders with that 3% haste. Also, I wonder if OTR as an anti tunnel perk which's goal is to make you harder to find, will get a buff that prevents you from screaming during its timer, considering Ultimate Weapon exists and basically negates its unfindible nature.

[@nievesassassin]

I think this really shows the state of the game. Look at what oz had to do just to break even in the first game. The real problem with tunneling is that its the only real viable option

[@jakez5227]

☝️the real answer

[@Cynwale]

Yeah, and they definitely wanted to Tbag him at the end gates considering how much time they took to leave.

[@harryb12993]

As a killer main I don’t check profiles but it is pretty clear when someone will be able to 5 gen loop me or if they will run into a wall while running away from me.

[@eGrillad]

Personally when I play Killer I check everyone's playtime but that is merely out of curiosity. Whether they got 10k hours, are p100 or have 200 hours, I simply just forget their hours once my game starts and just play like I normally would. Only time I intentionally avoid chasing players is if I notice that their actual in-game skills are way beyond mine, and I need to leave them to still have a chance to win the match.

[@eripmavsdyraid8763]

While I don't check hours, sometimes you just find that someone is demonstrably worse at chases, and to save the game it kind of just turns into scooting in that guy's direction more whenever you find him. The pressure is so much easier to apply with even 1 guy less touching gens.

[@Chipperbane]

I don't think this is as prevalent an issue as people think it is.

[@WizardMathis]

Back when I still played, I got tunneled out of game because my name is Math (killer actually admitted it in post-game chat, too). Getting tunneled out because of playtime was the least of my concerns lmao.

[@samuelcarlisle6305]

im a killer that checks steam profile pages but I never thought to use it to tunnel i just go "oh my god they have so many hours"

[@Tiosedan]

I think it would be super wholesome if the community started to protect their weakest link. Imagine a get down mr. president type of game.

[@ChrissonatorOFL]

If I saw all those flashlights in the pre-game lobby, I would've put on Lightborn, period. lol

[@aquamarine9530]

10000 hours is playing for roughly 1/7th of the total time the games been out. I don’t know whether to respect or resent that kind of commitment

[@thelocaldisgrace5897]

new meta: keep dbd open in background for a month to pump up hour count and prevent getting tunneled

[@derc2712]

Thanks otz for making this video, I got tunneled 5/5 of my games today even if my profile cant be viewed :)

[@jakez5227]

That’s why you got tunneled 😂

[@Yumlick]

It's important to sniff out the weak. Even if they can't maintain a chase for very long, they sure as death can do a generator in practically the same amount of time as their veteran friend who will loop me for three generators. The added benefit is that their friends will try super hard to stop me from killing their protégé to the point of throwing the game, meaning I might have one, two, or even three additional survivors being chased (while thinking that they're chasing me) instead of sitting on generators like the noob would have been doing. I don't think I've ever checked someone's Steam profile for hours, though; only for VAC bans. I can usually tell if someone is not worth chasing within like 10 seconds of a chase starting. I can only think of one game where that was the whole team, and that was probably just matchmaking trying to punish me for winning too much as a killer I hadn't played much before.

[@plantozz1036]

i was checking steam profile as a killer like 1 year ago, when I started to play a lot more at the game to just know, if i can afford to chill and have fun in a game, or not because of the tons of hours of ppl, for many of them swf of like 4 mans of 2k hours each, for a player that have like less than 500 hours in dbd and less than the half of them on killer, i think I just needed to comfort myself like "its not that many hours it will be a great and fun game" or something like that because I was just stressed to play against good ppl lmao but now I've stop doing this because it's useless tbf, you can play the game in the same way against ppl with tons of hours or not, if you want to just have fun I think

[@josh6_66]

then there is me who only checks profiles, when i wanna play against an experienced team with a lot of hours

[@unamejames]

The counter to tunneling is the same as the counter to camping. Just do your gens and 3 escape. Unless the tunneled survivor is terrible, tunneling is probably a weaker strat than camping, which is itself pretty weak. Also, you don't need to check hours to find bad survivors lol. You can tell if somebody knows how to loop within like 10 seconds.

[@Flotter-Flo]

Good killers don't tunnel like you do. They take tunnels that are offered. One dumb unhook, one failed hit tank. You can also just let them get away, pressure gens and as soon as you catch them somewhere, they are doomed. Works especially well with Ultimate Weapon.

[@ghashmog7369]

What i like to do is also check their steam friend list to see ir they're in a team

[@Glitch-Gremlin]

Yeah, Survivors have SWF's, Discord, and TONS of other Bullshit "Mechanics" if checking to see who is a New Fish is "Lame" i don't know what to tell you.

[@roscuro9838]

Fuckin' wild concept that you will get punished in a game for having a public steam profile. Dystopian nightmare of a game.

[@smtmonke]

For what it's worth, a good killer will still be able to identify the weak link in a team without this method. In fact, having that ability to make judgement calls on who's weaker in a chase is arguably better than just checking everyone's hours. Sometimes, the player with the least amount of hours might actually be the survivor you want to avoid, depending on their perks and actual aptitude in the game. If you play Killer, just learn to pick your targets out naturally instead of relying upon stats. Though it may help with the consistency of picking your battles, hours aren't a strict measure of someone's real skill.

[@relaxingkoty5333]

It's always funny seeing how serious people take DBD. It's literally a party game. It's the equivalent of taking Mario Party or Mario Kart extremely serious and trying super hard.

[@Cloxer]

I guess there is now utility for Steam to now (if we can do this now since this change was announced close to end of 2023) give us the ability to hide specific games we own or how much we played for the public to not see