Elite Tuo Smart Trainer Review // Setup, Testing, Accuracy

[@TheSucread]

I am using it for a couple of days now. The setup was a convoluted mess the riding is freaking fantastic. Love it! (managed to buy it for 405 USD).

[@Dcrainmaker]

Great, good to hear!

[@arlokkkk]

where did you get it from? amazon is like 524

[@yianpap6093]

How is it noise wise, tell us more!

[@TheSucread]

@@yianpap6093 It is pretty loud compared to the direct-drive models. With proper pressure and slick tire it is within reason (I am using in the flat, other people in the same room). For long sessions highly recommend headphones though just to cut down on fatigue.

[@TheSucread]

@@arlokkkk Was buying it in Europe (I converted the price after the tax), from a rather small bike shop. The demand is very high and supply is low so I got in touch with the shop directly to ask about supply times/etc and was quick to snatch one when they become available. They become more or less sold out after an hour. If you live in Europe or have and access to Decathlon stores they suppose to have them in stock this fall/winter (although projected prize is higher (around 500 USD)).

[@QueenShanine]

LOL@the toaster with the 2 pieces of toast in the background and tossing the manual. this was a great informative, yet super fun review.

[@mlegrand]

You're up-ing the intro game my friend. This is both hilarious and also really well done! Love it. I still think the my favorite was when you did the sleeping baby with the trainer. I fell hard for that one. So good.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks man - much appreciated!

[@yianpap6093]

@@Dcrainmaker Honestly, I think Ray was delaying this review because he wanted to find a toaster as similar to the TUO as possible for the video :) But it was worth it, it had me perplexed for a sec as I opened this video 5 mins after I woke up, well done!

[@simonlewis5342]

Hi, I bought this turbo on the weekend and wouldn't have been able to set it up so quickly without your video. I would have been better off setting fire to the instruction manual that came with it and genuinely found your review infinitely more useful. I did a 100 mile ride on it on Sunday and it behaved impeccably. Many thanks.

[@DesFit]

Someone is going full iPhonedo with his intros! So good!

[@Dcrainmaker]

I've had that damn toaster sitting here for a year...finally got to use it!

[@ev-ezaye3580]

​@@Dcrainmaker 🤣🤣🤣

[@EverythingIsPhotogenic]

I have zero interest in this thing, but have been awaiting the absurdity of this toaster review!! You did not disappoint sir!!

[@Dcrainmaker]

Glad to hear!!!

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

Now I will know why after a training session, I'm completely toasted. Who knows, maybe this trainer will become Elite's bread and butter.

[@MegaMagicbeans]

/BAN !

[@ev-ezaye3580]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@abalem]

Really nice review, thank you ! I managed to get my hands on one, I'm going to set it up now, and I feel blessed that you went through that manual before we did :p

[@cohoonatube]

Curious how you would compare this to the Kickr Snap? Great content, thanks!

[@chrismadden9126]

By FAR the best Toaster I've ever seen🤣🤣

[@reynard2ki]

Love the toaster! Now you need to put a Cylon in there.

[@Langor]

Not again!

[@MAGAmaniac1000]

Does the toast pop out if you can do 750 watts for 60 sec like Robert Forstemann?

[@Dcrainmaker]

I wish! Though, maybe not. I can't quite do that!

[@danielroblero764]

That's a great opening shot Ray!

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks!!!

[@FiveMinuteVelo]

Something I didn't see covered, like a real toaster does it need to be plugged into the electricity supply?

[@heikkisanelma6625]

i just had to give kudos for the toaster puns coming up :D

[@Dcrainmaker]

That's what I'm talking about!

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

It's unfortunate that Elite haven't came up with this trainer at the very beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic. It would have sold like hot cakes (toasts).

[@jacktyler5241]

Myself and many others face issues with this trainer not calibrating on Zwift as it doesn’t actually recognise the speed accurately. Also showing me as averaging 6w/kg which seems a bit wild as I’m no athlete.

[@aashiqkumandan130]

Hi Ray. Would you recommend this over the kickr snap? How does it compare in terms of road feel and noise? Cheers for another fantastic review.

[@antonisr827]

What about elite Tuo vs Wahoo kickr snap??? Which one do you think as a better choice?

[@pablogsm91]

OMG those puns just made it great to watch! Keep the good work Man!!

[@ellwitz9838]

Does it make a difference if I use my power meter to measure power and the Tuo to manage resistance? In this scenario does the trainer perform as well as it's pricier competition?

[@antonhuschka5637]

Great video. I really enjoyed the toaster puns ^^ Now this thing would look great in my room and probably feel great, but the noise made me doubt a bit. Living in a flat, would you rather suggest buying the sexy toaster or an low end direct drive trainer? ;) Anyways, great review! All the best from Germany, stay healthy :)

[@3D-eVo]

Wow... I'm happy - you have the same Vacummaster as we use :) Great cooler. I'm happy I have now Suito - instead of Tuo. I had ELITE Qubo Smart+ and unfortunately, it died after 1,5 years. If you drive from time to time - great trainer - if more often - better invest into a direct one. I managed to get Suito as the replacement - paying the difference in price between TUO and SUITO - as ELITE was going to replace for this one. It is good we have good customer service here in the Netherlands... Just to add valid comment - if you ride regularly with higher power than 200W on average - the tire is an extra cost. We had one tire which exploded (indoor trainer tire). Then we used ELITE indoor trainer tire - this one was looking nice but was creating a lot of dust... - at the price of 30 Euros This dust got inside the Qubo (they used plastic parts for magnet movement - sic!)- this dust blocked the magnets - so no resistance change... we cleaned - was working for some time - and again... and so on ... at the end, Qubo died. TUO was proposed replacement - but knowing how it is built inside - probably same as Qubo - we asked for an upgrade to direct drive. And this was a great decision. And yes - I love Italy - I drove Multipla in the past... the real one ;)

[@alistair410]

Another reason to use a wheel on trainer would be if you were running campag 12 speed you would have to add another (about) £200/$250 to the total cost for a replacement free hub and a 12 speed campag cassette.

[@brianwright9514]

Sounds a lot louder than the Kickr Snap. How much of the noise is the trainer versus the tire? In my experience, treaded tires are noisy and smooth tires are quiet on the trainer.

[@alvarodemarzi881]

I am a senior rider who is contemplating purchasing a smart trainer. Being a newbie I have several questions. I own an old roubaix that I would like to convert to a permanent trainer. I also have a garmin 830 and the garmin pedal power meter. I use a HR strap. I would like to know if I can used the training workouts available in Garmin Connect. Would I be able to run the workouts directly or do I have to use an app such as Swift to be able to run the workouts? My budget is under $600. Is the Tuo the best choice or another trainer would serve the same purpose? Eventually I'd try Swift or something like that . I would be very grateful on any response to these questions. Thank you for sharing your expertisewith the you Tube community.

[@mrflaxtv81]

Really helpful and informative video, thank you. It's on offer in the UK for £99 sterling. Circa 120USD? I'm guessing you think it's a deal at this price? It's my first venture into indoor training. Would you advise a blue training tyre to avoid wear?

[@LAC818VALLEY]

Good for my first trainer ? It’s on sale for under 200$ right now !

[@HDplusplus]

Great video as always. I live in an apartment here in Amsterdam. There’s a poor isolation, I have been looking to buy a smart trainer and prepare myself for a winter. Do you think enough matting can solve the noise and vibration issues so that the neighbors won’t complain? The only option I see now is to get a direct drive trainer (tacx flux s).

[@HDplusplus]

Btw. Loved the way you are improving your videos mate. The intro was epic. The toaster did well in a cameo. Hahah

[@Dcrainmaker]

No, matting won't solve this one realistically. I think you'll get much lower vibrations from the Flux S.

[@yianpap6093]

@@Dcrainmaker OK....I had the finger on the buy button until I got to the noise part...I know you mentioned in one of the comments that you will try the Kickr Snap again to have a more direct picture of how hey compare, but in your Snap review I don't recall you making as many comments about noise, leading me to believe the Snap is quieter. For me noise is the number one criterion since I do indeed live in an old apartment with wooden floors. Shame because I liked the looks of the TUO better, as well as he fact that it's much lighter. Also the Snap does not come with a thru axle adaptor (I need one) and you have to pay quite a bit extra for that. But most importantly, that adaptor does not seem to be available right now...I'm new to cycling and not quite comfortable with taking the wheel on and off all the time, plus not sure it's as easy on my hybrid bike as it is on road bikes. I'm disappointed now, was really looking forward to have an indoor exercise machine...

[@HDplusplus]

@@Dcrainmaker thanks! Will hunt for a direct drive trainer (if it is available at all anywhere).

[@adamg8783]

Once I calibrate and I unlock the roller from the wheel. Next time do I just relock it or make sure it’s touching the tire and then lock it again?

[@leslie7922]

I'm a direct drive trainer fan... but for anyone wondering, I'm upgrading my bike to 11speed (from 10) and it sucks having to buy two cassettes (one for wheel one for trainer)... especially when Ultegra ones are $189NZD each!

[@julliana12]

Thanks for the super funny crunchy intro :D Noted, looks like your Elite Sterzo Smart is the opposite way :)

[@madmalkav6540]

Any video on how to mount a thru axle 148mm MTB in the Tuo? I'm a complete idiot when it comes to bikes so I want to see how difficult it is to use with my bike before purchasing.

[@robsnow49]

Ray, how do you get insulated bottles in/out of the Tacx Ciro on that bike? My Polar's don't want to fit.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Hmm...mine just come out? 😆

[@artalviar4050]

Love how you make this review fun from the start to the end. Anyways, I'm still torn between grabbing the TUO or the SNAP v2... Also, do you by any chance got an ELITE COPERTON trainer tyre? Would love to know how it affects the noise, accuracy (sim & erc), warm-up.

[@carlosalvarez2753]

I've had the Snap for over 2 years with no problems at all. It's accurate and reliable. Also got the Copperton Trainer Tyre and I'd recommend it.

[@Yosser70]

Possibly a stupid question but with wheel on trainers using wheel speed to calculate power, how does that effect lower geared bikes like mtb or gravel bikes?

[@VoragoUmbra]

I see the srm x-power in this video(Nice blue colour!) and they look close too. Can't wait to see the Review, I finally received my set a month or so ago and it seems to be 5-10% more power than my Wahoo Kickr Core :( Sadly no third power meter to compare.

[@AndrewYPTang]

Can you please review the more affordable Magene T300 Smart Trainer?

[@uk-expat]

Nice toaster, yup the real one - which Branantia model is that please? I need a new one!

[@TransAm2k4]

Any recommendations for cheapest smart trainer worth buying?

[@Dcrainmaker]

I’ll have my full guide out in about a week or so. But this, the Tacx Flow, Saris M2, and Wahoo KICKR Snap are all with considering.

[@BooksWithBrad]

Do you have any plans on buying the not yet released "Breakaway bike" that has been seen on indiegogo? Its a portable Stationary bike with power pedal options so it can be used for zwift and TR.

[@red00tl]

I thought I had subscribed eons ago until you told me to whack the like button, as I obviously couldn't deny the apparent entertainment value of the toaster or the channel, yet I discovered that my subscription button was somehow off. That mistake was promptly corrected. Promise it won't happen again. ;)

[@Chrizzer88]

How does it compare to the kickr snap? I also got the kadence sensor. Still not sure which one to pick.

[@brianwolinsky9505]

Could you do a review about the thinkrider X7? Looks like it’s worth it? Love your work!

[@chriskelsch3619]

Since you dont recomend this for an apt, what would you? I live in a poorly built wood floor apt and just getting into training. I dont have a ton of space, dont want something too noisy and I am a beginner.

[@bandieranera76]

A Qubo fluid! Super silent

[@Federicodinuzzo]

Hi my tyre is 28, 700c, should I follow instructions for less or more than 28?

[@geilebande]

how is it compared to the kickr snap - which one would you recommend?

[@inspiredtotired8369]

I've subscribed, just to keep up to date with all things new in the World of Cycling Toast Technology 🍞 I don't want to get loafed behind 😉

[@Dcrainmaker]

You're on a..roll!

[@mihir1997]

I cannot for the life of me figure this unit out. I have 700c road bike wheels and tires. I have the unit setup EXACTLY like yours looks (with the unit attached to the frame at the REAR.) but I cannot for the life of me figure out how my bike is supposed to fit in. When the tire hits the Elastogel, my axle is pretty far away from the clamp... not sure what to do as I don't believe the wheel is larger than 700mm... 622mm I believe.

[@cenningitis2910]

Hey man, im sorry before, if my comment is irrelevant to this video Im about to buy mavic air 2. I've seen your videos about it, but i have some questions, i hope you have time to answer this, because your answer will affects my decision to buy mavic air 2 (forgive me if my questions kinda long and my grammar is bad) When flying mavic air 2, did we always have to point the antenna to the drone ? Like, it has occusync 2.0 right ? So there should be no problem about the signal, (because occusync is unlike the wifi transmission drone which always depend with the signal between remote and drone, so we should always point it to the drone) right ? Or its not that simple ? Lets just say, if there's 4 scenario : 1.If i flying it while facing backward with my remote against the drone 2.If i flying it outside, but the drone through tall buildings, and i flying the drone around that tall building until the connection between the drone and remote is blocked by those building 3.If i flying my drone when im at forest (full of trees) so the signal between remote and drone will have so much interference by the trees 4.If i am inside my bedroom or my car while my drone is outside, where signal between drone and remote will completely blocked by thick wall or anything With those 4 each screnario, can i still control it until long range (lets just say more than 1 km) can i still do that ? Or if i did that the signal will get interference or lost instantly ? Did you ever did that kind of test ? This my other question is kinda had the same concept. Based on your experiences after flying your mavic air 2 so far, did you ever encounter signal interference ? If yes, is it happen often or rarely ? And at what scenario that makes you get signal interference ? Thanks if you want to take your time to read my comment, id really appreciate that ! 🙏

[@matthewulterino657]

I have seen the instruction to pump your tire to 110PSI. But the max pressure on my tire (road touring tire) is 85. Does it matter? If I have mine at my tire's max pressure, is that sufficient?

[@alanz3419]

Question, I'm setting one up now and I plan on using my race road bike 25-28c and my gravel bike with 38-40c. I'm starting with the gravel bike and with the stock config like you have, it seem like the tire size will not fit. So, if I move the unit to the other position will that also take the road bike 28c? or will this be one or the other type set up? I hope not. Thanks for the help.

[@andrairvine]

My KICKR SNAP always reads real high for the first 5-10 mins (worse in the cold). It means than an ERG mode Sufferfest session warm up you are putting out near 200w when you are supposed to be doing under 150... I didn’t realise this was the problem until I got a pair of Assiomas and saw the light! I thought it was just a ‘shut up legs’ situation 🤣

[@leonhox9906]

My Calibration isn't working anyhow.. do you have any tips? I'ven paddeling like 20 minutes on Zwift - nothing.. and on the my E-Training-App I always get the same message that the calibration has failed.. would be nice if you have any tips

[@mattdagger1480]

Would you choose this or just bump up to the elite suito

[@yoda112358]

I have an older Elite wheel-on trainer (Rampa). Would upgrading to this be a significant improvement to my experience?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yeah, it would be. Though, in some ways I feel like your next logical step up is really more of a direct drive trainer.

[@terrillford7784]

Did you use a training tire or wheel set?

[@petrkopecky9200]

You use a normal tire or a special trainer on the Elite Tuo.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Normal tire.

[@conan_der_barbar]

clicked for the intro 👌

[@Dcrainmaker]

Boom!

[@toadlguy]

Stayed for the awesome review 👍

[@SaschaRissling]

How long is your table? :-o

[@joshuapinter]

Any ETA on the full review of the 4iiii Fliiiight?

[@mahiru20ten]

Someone please mod the Tuo to an actual working toaser while retaining its indoor trainer capabilities. (I know this is almost impossible, but still, would be interesting to see how hard could it be)

[@Dcrainmaker]

I really wish I had one of those laser cutter things. I would have so made the toaster work around the wheel for the opening shot.

[@finalfrontier1124]

How is the wear and tear on your tyres with this trainer? I read elsewhere that you need a trainer dedicated wheel for use with this, is that accurate

[@shatnersbassoon7155]

I’d recommend using a dedicated training Tyre. I initially used a normal Road tyre, which I had used outside for the year, it wore really quickly and after a month or so of moderate use it exploded whilst I was going up the Volcano KOM in Zwift! Using a training tyre is also much quieter than using a standard tyre.

[@stevemullin1195]

Will this work on my tadpole recumbent trike with 26”x2.15 rear wheel?

[@toadlguy]

That sounds like a mountain bike tire - which should work.

[@rommelreyes2209]

How about the tyre wear?

[@jhansen1st]

I feel like I am under inflating my tires. 110 psi I think I only do mine to 40 riding on the road.

[@edisonacosta2299]

my rear tire slips when I pedal hard, any idea why ?

[@BIGTREESJOE]

20 inch tires? Like on many recumbent trikes.

[@SmartBikeTrainers]

Well done, Ray! Well done lol

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks Tariq!!!

[@JaimeGonzalez-od4db]

I'm 9 seconds into this video and already had to give it a thumbs up, lol. Thanks for that!

[@AnushkaTedjai]

Can someone tell me how to change the resistance? It feels like I am climbing the Mount Everest. I am searching, but can't find where I can change it.

[@Dcrainmaker]

It sounds like you need to hookup an app to control it. Check out this post here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/03/cycling-indoor-trainer-app-guide.html

[@AnushkaTedjai]

@@Dcrainmaker thanks, will check it out

[@brijnich]

This is a design aesthetic upgrade, from something you can put away after using opposed to the big. Probably more aimed at those who want to put the trainer or store the trainer out of sight before/after use. Opposed to the big direct trainers which are more suited to home gym,room set ups.

[@erichMuller01]

Just setup my new Tuo. I am getting a scraping sound when the resistance engages. Is this normal? Also, does it measure cadence or do you need a separate Bluetooth cadence sensor?

[@christoph1893]

I have the Tuo too and I see a cadence on Zwift. But it measures always about 20 to 40 rpm lower than it actually is. I think this is because there is no measure cadence and it is just an estimation from the other values.

[@patmurray9469]

Hi did you get that noise sorted, got a tuo a couple weeks started making a grinding sound when start pedaling an letting the wheel freewheel to a stop an slightly when gradient increased.

[@erichMuller01]

@@patmurray9469 Hi Pat, yes. What I done was made sure that the tire was exactly in the center of the contact point. The scraping stopped then.

[@LAC818VALLEY]

Will my 700 x 40 tires fit ???

[@TheRockybar]

did you eat the toast?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Some of it...yes.

[@andrebiasuz]

Own one and the review is spot on DC! Thanks a lot! (and yes, It also makes breakfast in the morning 😂😂)

[@Walliebal]

Brabantia is the area in Italia where the make these Elite wheel-toasters ;-)

[@Doktor_Al]

Why did the toast move?

[@GreatGloves]

Greetings from Finland!

[@paulbigbee]

Only someone with DC-level wattage has a cassette that small. Oh, and love the humor in the video; sports tech needs a constant deflation of self-importance.

[@larrnt]

Toaster shots remind me of the video of Robert Förstemann vs toaster

[@patois]

Smart opening.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks!

[@Zenon_z_Kition]

Is it really such louder than my power fluid :( ??

[@RAG0407]

Wish I could do 1000w

[@Pratalax]

Just realised with that outro... those toaster numbers must've been legit.

[@fabioverissimosantos]

What really sets me off is when I forgot to lower the toaster power in the second round of toasts and they get burned...

[@marcuswong1797]

One left in stock!!

[@DivisPetr]

SRM X SPD, what the hell, where are they on stock? Lot of promises and only Ray has it 😫

[@Dcrainmaker]

Stock is super tough. Semi-available in Europe. Hopefully review shortly!

[@jsmithepa]

Once my buddies stop laughing, I shall give this a whirr :)

[@iainstatham]

trainer works great - but the calibration process doesn't work for me, i see many people having the same problems too. after updating the firmware with one app, and then trying to setup the trainer with a different app, and trying to calibrate using both Android and iOS - it still doesn't work. tried to register on the Elite forum but 3 days later i'm still waiting for access to the forum from Elite. this is my first indoor trainer, so i don't know how important calibration is - the trainer works well with Zwift, but peace of mind would be improved significantly if they could sort out the calibration issues. is there going to be an update to fix this?

[@ElectraPhyllis]

8287 Kiehn Crest

[@itsm3th3b33]

A manual writer should be getting a pink slip after this review. 🤣

[@BennettPerry-l9r]

Santos Avenue

[@jimhansen5395]

When the intro music started, I thought the trainer was making that ticking sound :(

[@Dcrainmaker]

Hahahaha...sorry!

[@cliffclermont]

THAT made me stoked to have my KICKR

[@tilmannholm3514]

It´s great fun with this trainer. But I like it even better, using Apps - like Zwif or WattChallenge (only 6 Euro). My daughters make races with them all day long :-)

[@JesseRitchey]

10:00 hahaha

[@aslam7952]

How does everyone like their toast? Flavorful - Butter? Smooth - Margarine? Protein - Beans? Spicy -Cinnamon?

[@MateHegyhati]

Somehow I got hungry watching this....

[@GordonMoat]

Surprising they didn't call it the Elite Colazione.