Garmin inReach Messenger: Hands-On Details/Walkthrough!

[@timwaddell9450]

For those that question if this device is worth it. 100 percent yes. Lucky my buddy had one of these when i had a major accident in the middle of nowhere. Garmin sent a lifeflight to pick me up. They stated had we called 911, they would have sent the sherriffs office and local closest medical rescue, which would have taken hours to get to us. Helicopter took an hour as they had another call they were on. It was a 15 minute helicopter ride to the er vs hours waiting then hours getting out of the wilderness. This device will save your life when needed.

[@ytubela]

How much did the life flight cost? Was it covered by your health insurance?

[@10415153]

I see the iPhone satellite feature as a great addition to the iPhone, but it’s a bit like the torch. You are very happy to have it when you didn’t expect to need it, but if you are planning an activity that needs a torch, you are still going to pack a dedicated torch.

[@MateHegyhati]

Well put, thank you 🙂

[@DaemonViews]

Good comparison indeed

[@strangedays1984]

Bingo! Camera on phone great to have but you don’t go to Africa for some wildlife shooting with it, you take a real camera. iPhone sos is a great to have but the inreach is what you would rely on with your life.

[@DCuerpoJr]

We use Garmin In Reach devices for search and rescue operations in wilderness areas. Each person picks one up at base camp and tests it before setting out to their designated area of responsibility. Additionally, We set up cellular repeaters (provided by the cell companies) throughout the search area, but even that may fail in wildfire smoke or in valleys below the repeater. Crews can send updates over the In Reach device if they find the missing person or if anyone sustained injuries. Then when everyone returns to base camp we upload their GPS data (from the In Reach devices) onto a map database to help organize and track areas that were searched.

[@Feintgames]

Have you guys tried the new DJI 3D mapping that uses a drone to 3D map the area and then coordinate search and rescue? It's a pretty sweet looking system.

[@cjchristian3825]

This is one of the best information/review videos I’ve ever seen on KZbin, excellent job with speed and brevity

[@marcialp93]

Love the inreach device.. I do a lot of outdoor recreation activities here in Colorado and it definitely puts me in areas where I have absolutely zero cell service no coverage whatsoever. Also with my job I'm also in areas without service throughout the week so to be able to have the ability to reach out to family or friends for me is a must and that's where the Garmin really shines.. I have had to use it a few times while out elk hunting and also had to use it once to call in on an emergency situation that I came across out in the middle of nowhere on the highway during work hours. Also like the fact that the inreach unit is its own individual device which means I don't have to rely on my cell phone I could easily send messages from the Garmin unit itself. Every time I'm out in the backcountry my phone pretty much stays in the pack protected from falls or any kind of mishaps. The Garmin device is usually clipped on the backpack somewhere near their shoulder strap or on a strap inside of the pack at the top so it can send a clear signal if needed while it's stowed away. I understand that the Garmin isn't for everyone not everybody wants to pay an additional price for subscriptions or separate units to me can't put a price on life. Now I know that may seem a little dramatic for some but I would hate to rely on something that really hasn't been tested globally or rely on a device that also doubles as ones main line of communication..cell phone... Maybe iPhone services do work well but then again I will never know because I am not an iPhone user.

[@petaren]

I wonder if Apple will have a way to test their system. I believe Garmin does, where you fill in a request on their website and are then able to test the SOS feature. I personally wouldn’t trust a system I couldn’t test. Could be worth mentioning in future videos.

[@torontogonzo]

Yeah without the ability to test it, itS the device I use if I am unexpectedly outside of cell coverage and am not prepared for it, instead of the device i can rely upon when I expect to be out of coverage

[@conradk]

Great review. Everyone should have a primary and secondary option - never rely on one solution. People who rely on that one item to keep them safe, odds are that item will fail.

[@moviefan8939]

I decided to go for a PLB instead, because I am only interested in a 2nd chance in an emergency situation. No subscription fee, works all over the planet.

[@DavideTravelli]

That’s a great solution. I like the tracking feature but SPOT is probably better.

[@Sweety1915-nono]

@@DavideTravelli depends on your use case. 2 way communication with spot needs a Spot X, which starts to become price comparable with the Garmin, and it's a bit of a chunk. Not used one long term myself, but the inreach mini is basically indestructible in my experience as well. All in, for 2 way Comms I'd choose Garmin. For just tracking/sos, probably Spot. Both suck if you're trying to track larger groups with multiple trackers though, the apps really aren't optimised for it.

[@daishi711]

Garmin has an additional annual cost for insurance to cover evacuation expenses. It’s like $20/yr. I read some horror stories about $50,000 bills for helicopter evac that made it a no brainer. Not sure how apple has that part covered.

[@billbaum2586]

You can also buy policies through companies like Global Rescue. We’ve used them for years on expeditions in Nepal and throughout Asia. Helicopter evac, medical flights back country of origin, emergency hospital stays, ICU, they are a great service. And if you are really nuts they have rescue services available. So it’s not just Garmin doing this and their insurance is pretty new to them via a third party.

[@michaellopour7409]

I hate to parse words but… I think a real horror story is no helicopter shows up to rescue you?!?

[@miscl_anon]

@@michaellopour7409 in all seriousness, i think some people would rather die than pay a $50k bill they don’t gave the budget for to get rescued. Some people don’t even call an ambulance bc they can’t afford it

[@darylcheshire1618]

@@billbaum2586 How do you test an insurance policy? You’ve used them for years. But have you ever activated it?

[@bobvancauwenberghe7674]

This summer I was using my iPhone for navigating in the mountains and deserts of Spain and Portugal. Once the temperature raised above 40 degrees Celsius, the iPhone stopped working.... For that reason, the iPhone is not reliable enough for emergency reasons in all kind of situations. Luckily we had our TomTom as backup ☺️.... In my opinion, dedicated devices are the choice to go for if reliability is important.

[@rangerrecon]

Very cool and informative comparison. Also direct and too the point. Great video. Other product "reviewers" that insist on a 2:00 opening with their theme song/promo video, integrated story of their pets, photo montage of random internet photos, etc. could learn something from this review. The point that there is two different, viable markets with two different purposes/use is a really good point as I think that a lot of people may falsely assume that the Garmin and iPhone products/services have more overlap than they do.

[@davidlynch9049]

Given the lousy cell coverage here in Germany outside the cities, Garmin might be the better alternative. Lol. Thanks for your great explanations on both devices.

[@murda2999]

Very good overview of the new Messenger and the discussion of Apple. I think that Apple has much bigger plans as they contracted for 85% of Globalstar's bandwidth. You don't need that for the occasional lost family that hits the SOS.

[@pinetreesblowing8021]

Can you clarify the differences between the mini 2 and the messenger?

[@Dcrainmaker]

- Mini 2 has route navigation, including breadcrumb trail on display - Mini 2 has Garmin Explore app compatibility for sending routes/waypoints - Mini 2 has a better physical connector/mount for a carabineer clip - Mini 2 has the ability to create a more detailed track for TrackBack than Messenger - Messenger has better/bigger battery life - Messenger probably has better antenna design for dashboard-style mounting since the full antenna is facing upwards, whereas Mini 2 has better antenna design for backpack/unknown mounting, since it’s an omnidirectional antenna.

[@viktor.egelund]

@@Dcrainmaker Please pin this comment to top. Relevant for all inReach Mini 2 owners and potential buyers.

[@jackriley1989]

You are the best resource for all things tech outside. And some things inside. Amazing content as usual!

[@vratislavjindrich1863]

Good video. I think showing how the back-track on the device works and even coordinating with Garmin to demonstrate the SOS functionality would make it even better.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup, I'll cover those in my full review down the road.

[@codraven57]

As a Newfoundlander, great info on what works best for localized adventures like your Father In-law.

[@derx6666]

Never going to use this but still interesting to see how this works. Thnx

[@BenEige]

I'd like to know more about the comparison to the inReach Mini 2? We bought one this past summer for my son to use on the Colorado Trail and it worked great. But it's $100 more than the Messenger. It looks like the Messenger does virtually the exact same thing, other than the Mini 2 having a bit larger display. He didn't use it for navigation as he had the Far Out app and a map. It seems the Mini 2 has a much smaller use case now when compared to the cheaper Messenger. Thoughts?

[@dennis_aus_neukoelln]

That would be interesting to know. I am just about to get an inreach Mini 2 for an upcoming trip to Australia, now I have to find out whether the inreach Messenger would be enough for my needs. Great to hear you had a good experience with the Mini 2, as I have read some mixed reviews about the Minis.

[@DaveStern2]

I'm not Ray but quick first impression is that the messenger is primarily a messaging device and secondarily a hiking device. the mini 2 is more of a hiking device (that can message). The use cases for the messenger can support more around travel and other non-hiking use cases. The new app is the key to the differentiation of messenger - with messenger you don't have to think about coverage, it just picks what works. With the mini 2 and separate cell phone, you have to pick cell message or satellite and then use the correct device. that said, my preference for hiking would still be mini 2 (or larger) as it's more functional stand alone. Phones are more fragile and if my life / safety is on the line, I do not want to assume my cell phone is working at all. Nice bonus if it is but my first requirement is for good functionality stand alone on a rugged device. the messaging on the messenger device makes that more challenging for example. But if you're travelling, hiking etc and very small chance of life safety or health issues, the messenger offers the added communication features. Only tricky thing for me is that in a sustained conversation with messenger, some messages might originate from the garmin SMS number and others from the user's regular cell # (hard to tell .. will be interesting to see how Garmin is handling that part. Not a big deal in an emergency or infrequent messaging situation like hiking but in a travel use case, having messages be in 2 different threads could be confusing).

[@dennis_aus_neukoelln]

@@DaveStern2 Hi Dave, thanks for the reply. Awesome summary! I need a device for emergencies in the backcountry and for occasional messages home to my wife to let her know I am ok. Double the battery life sounds tempting but otherwise the mini seems to be the better choice. Thanks a lot. Dennis

[@DaveStern2]

@@dennis_aus_neukoelln it's just my feeling based on only a little info. while hiking, there's little chance I would charge my phone from the messenger - all available messenger battery must be reserved for communication, tracking and sos. and I have an external battery for my phone anyway. hiking, for sure I'm keeping my old delorme inreach+. still works great. when I upgrade, will go for mini 2 (or 3 etc). and as Ray points out, the antenna orientation in the mini 2 is designed for the unit being upright (on a backpack) whereas the puck style of the messenger seems best for having it on a table while travelling, camping, etc. have fun!!

[@murda2999]

With Hurricane Ian rolling across Florida right now, I bet there's a lot of people down there would love to have either one of those devices right about now.

[@ChopperChad]

The reassuring part of the inReach is that if you loose or break your phone, you still have the inReach. I also have my inReach and phone tethered to me to hopefully minimize the risk of loosing them while out backpacking.

[@stephenpoole6015]

Very helpful - thanks! Seems like Inreach Mini 2 plus the messenger app is the best solution here in Oz; we'd heard about the iPhone 14, but not that service was only available in parts of North America. (I think the number of spurious callouts will increase exponentially once that's out.) Agree totally that the Garmin plans and options are a nightmare - just like cell phone plans. :-(

[@nathanboone2995]

Just bought. Thanks for the review!

[@dbgfwbe1497]

Probably the only thing which I would like to get incorporated into this amazing device is a torch ...to be activated when I need to find the Messenger in my backpack. 🙂Jokes aside, is an amazing device, super fast and very reliable, amazing battery. Always with me. Great

[@spinnekopje]

I would always choose the dedicated device if I want to trust on it. Sadly there is no option for a one time fee in case of an emergency. I do have cell reception in almost all cases, so the chance I would benefit from an inReach device is almost zero. For me the Apple solutions seems to be more of a gimmick that will mostly help people who are lost because of being completely unprepared, not injured. Try to hold a phone in a certain direction for a while just to send an sos message when you are injured..

[@chaosncheckt9356]

Interesting video. I am looking for something smaller for my 2023 AT thru hike. I have the Garmin Montana 700i and while awesome, it's big and has options I don't think I'll need on my hike. I like this new in Reach messenger but curious how the weather updates look on the iphone? Besides tracking and SOS, getting detailed weather forecasts/updates would be critical to me. Any chance you could get a screen shot of a weather forecast?

[@Fuuntag]

I ended up going with a more traditional PLB for events that require them but these more consumer friendly ones with messenger like functionality are appealing.

[@michaelkoppenhoefer5910]

The problem with the plb is it didn’t tell people how you need help.

[@galenkehler]

The tracking feature is the deal-maker on the garmin, I'm not worried nearly about using SOS if I'm still conscious. Having someone able to see that I've not moved for the last 4 hours is much more of the use case I'm looking for

[@fatguy9]

If apple could combine the sos and fall detection that would be the biggest win

[@LHa-wd4uh]

Having Find Me work with a satellite is a fantastic feature. It's also free (at least for first 2 years). I just got an InReach myself and while I love the idea of it, it's simply too cost-prohibitive for mainstream adoption even as essential as I think having a satellite messenger is. For example, you're talking $35/mo vs $20/mo just for proper tracking for friends and family. Satellite messaging on the iPhone is just far too limited right now to really be of much use except in real emergencies where you have absolutely no alternative available. Great if your car breaks down in the middle of no-where though and you had never thought of getting an InReach to start with. One day, iPhones will cover every use case but right now, the InReach is what you need for messaging friends and family to keep them updated on what's going on while you're away from coverage.

[@strangedays1984]

And direction of path you were heading also matters! Agree with the tracking.

[@curtisbme]

@9:00 - Wait, if that same service fee covers them figuring out what your problem is, this is much better value as you can cut your therapist session costs.

[@DarrenYee]

Cool device, I'm in the market for an inreach type device for backpacking. There are alot of options out there and Apple has there new satellite connectivity communication with the Ultra watch. I heard T-mobile might enable phones for satellite communication. I'm hoping for some news soon. I was also wondering what gear you brought backpacking if you are willing to share your adventure that would be awesome or just a gear load out, lol. Thank You

[@jonwattsmusic]

Thanks for the helpful video! I've looked everywhere for an answer to this question, and still can't find anyone talking about it! Sometimes I trek with my wife, and sometimes one of us goes backpackin solo. Is there a way to unpair the inreach messenger from my phone and pair it with her phone instead so she can take it out when I'm not with her? Thanks in advance!

[@KOTW.Adventures]

Apple don’t offer the satellite SOS in Australia so I think the Garmin Messenger may be the way to go. Was looking at the Bivy Stick but I’m definitely a Garmin fan so might have to choose the Messenger instead. Thanks for the info.

[@thinkoholic9441]

i Got an old working Inreach using AA-batteries, a bit clumsy but no problem in my Running vest

[@edgenail85]

“Quick text: urgent need more beer!” This is a must!!!!!

[@MateHegyhati]

As someone in a country with 95+% cell coverage, I was surprised how many people use inReach. Then I looked at the cell coverage of the US. So anyway, if I were to be in a situation where I wander off to non-covered places a lot, I'd definitely buy a trusted inReach and pay that few bucks for my ease of mind. I'm not against Apple or anything, but even down the road, I'd consider the iPhone only as a backup (which is AWESOME to have, kudos to Apple). My reason for this is a) battery life (I know, I can turn off the device to save energy, as Dave said in His video, but turning off an SOS device seems crazy), and b) sturdiness. If something happens, a device on me likely gets a hit. if the big screen dies, there are no buttons to press. I'm surprised, how underemphasized this is in the reviews. But maybe it is just me.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

I don't think iPhone SOS was meant for you to go on a 60day expedition and using it to save your life. It's more like you going out hiking with your friends and suddenly got lost and weather went to shits and you are stuck in the mountains crying for help. That iPhone can save your life. InReach is for someone who knows they are planning to do something potentially dangerous and needs assurance that you can get help when you need it. Not really the same product, but I'm guessing you'll be carrying your iPhone with you way more often than the InReach.

[@DARTHDANSAN]

Inreach for life it works all over the world on iridium and screw apple

[@davet003.5]

I’m on Vancouver Island and we loose cellular service 10 km east of town. InReach is essential.

[@EspenSkaufel]

I do not know how the new iPhones are, but I have experienced severe battery issues in cold conditions. After a few hours mountain hike, when I picked it up to take the first photo, the phone just gave up. I did not even get to take one picture. I was not at any risk, it was unpleasant.

[@justinfritz3367]

In Australia, the telco companies advertise how much of the population is covered. Not how much of the country. So, depending on the telco, it is between about 95-99%. However, if you look at a coverage map, you will find that most of the country does not have mobile phone coverage

[@kvangork]

Interesting: on the official Garmin intro video for Messenger, in the fine print it says "Unless you send a message via satellite communication, the recipient must have the Garmin Messenger on their phone to receive your message." This "seamless" communication matrix between cellular and satellite modes on one axis, and between phone numbers (SMS), email/mapshare, and inReach accounts on the other, might all end up being fairly complex.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Not sure why it says that, since it’s seemingly not true. In the screenshots shown, where I sent messages to my wife, she doesn’t have the messenger app installed.

[@carloshsieh5681]

@@Dcrainmaker Question: if you sent the message to other via Messenger with cell signal, what's the number recipient sees, and will the number be changed if it's using satellite signal ?

[@jcbarker1]

You need to use the Garmin app to compose your message but your recipients will receive in their normal texting app.

[@zfjames]

Doesn't appear to say that in the US

[@Dcrainmaker]

Note: I received confirmation from Garmin that the text overlay you noted was a mistake and incorrect. It's as I tested it - it does not require the recipient to have the Messenger app installed.

[@michaelghens]

I like the comment on the inReach -- It just works.

[@carloshsieh5681]

Would you have also some more comparison about how is this Inreach messenger different than inreach mini2? Thanks

[@Dcrainmaker]

Here ya go: - Mini 2 has route navigation, including breadcrumb trail on display - Mini 2 has Garmin Explore app compatibility for sending routes/waypoints - Mini 2 has a better physical connector/mount for a carabineer clip - Mini 2 has the ability to create a more detailed track for TrackBack than Messenger - Messenger has better/bigger battery life - Messenger probably has better antenna design for dashboard-style mounting since the full antenna is facing upwards, whereas Mini 2 has better antenna design for backpack/unknown mounting, since it’s an omnidirectional antenna.

[@tdsmith]

Nice work Dr. Rainmaker!

[@davidkelly4400]

Can someone text you without you texting them first. In other words, does the Messenger have a SMS number? The Delorme (now Garmin) inReach devices required you to text first in order for someone to reach you. For instance, the Zoleo has a phone number so that anyone can text you as if you had a phone.

[@kvangork]

Great question David. I'm wondering about the same thing, especially after I installed the Messenger app and it had me confirm my cell phone number via an SMS message. My hunch is that Garmin will use our phone numbers for matchmaking with other Garmin Messenger users, but that the inbound SMS will still use the old method that requires an outbound "Hi, I'm going on an adventure. Please text me back here." kickoff step.

[@KOTW.Adventures]

I’ve been searching the comment section for the exact same thing! 🤔

[@MrEdBro]

Ray, when are you joining us for a parkrun at the bos...?

[@kristaps2010]

Great device. Amazing you can charge up phone if necessary to revive it.

[@RonCozby]

I spoke to Garmin this morning, first DC has more information than they do, basically if you want a connection to mapping of any kind you need the mini 2 or up. This is made to compete with Zoleo or Bivy stick and they want to give you mapping. He had no time line on firmware updates. So for my money the Mini 2 for 100 dollars more is the better decision as we will get mapping connections(explorer app) and messenger connections.(once firmware) I love the extra battery on the Messenger but not enough to give up mapping. I asked about the now I think 3 year old 66i replacement. Of course no information maybe DC has heard rumors of that being replaced?

[@kishuck]

Sorry I'm confused. The video clearly shows and talks about tracking your route and it shows it on a map. So you are saying this wouldn't work with the Messenger?

[@RonCozby]

Yes it works with the Garmin map share they said. I meant it does not work with explorer app for additional mapping and routing. For me I may not all the time use the mini 2 for routing from explorer but nice to be able to if I need it.

[@MarkN67]

Interesting video and thanks for the heads-up. I’ve just downloaded the messenger app and when I try to pair my GPSMap 66i, I get a message to say that the 66i is not compatible.

[@techtravel-de]

Same for me. 😞

[@thomasowens5824]

Fantastic device, Life saving but the costs + monthly subs put this out of the reach of a lot of people in this financial climate.

[@ErmilinaLight]

Thanks! What would be the difference between Inreach Messenger and Inreach Mini? Especially when you can't use your phone at all.

[@s2pointoh]

Super helpful. Excellent explanation.

[@dannoringer]

The Garmin product sounds like a very good product that will serve almost anybody's needs. Apple not so much.

[@DaemonViews]

Are people asking that question? Apple is a good ICE system but if you think you might need it use a specific emergency device. I would mainly wonder if this or the mini 2 is the better choice.

[@three-alpha-six]

How does it work for recipients of messages? Do they need to have the Messenger app installed or do does it work some other way (i.e. the message is delivered via SMS or they get a link that they can use to access the information)?

[@Dcrainmaker]

They don't need the Messenger app installed. They just get a regular text message (or e-mail if that's how I added them as a contact). Including a link if for Mapshare.

[@Johak1982]

I still don’t understand what the big difference is between this and the Inreach mini?

[@mattbibbings]

Garmin designer 1: Let's make it look like drug dealing weighing scales. Garmin Designer 2: Great idea, let's do it!

[@condesabeatriz9303]

😂😂😂

[@JibbaJabber]

Garmin designer 3: Yup. When you're in you're rolling lab and you're bad batch cooking, you'll be needing a Garmin Inreach 😉

[@JJP72095]

I use the in reach off shore on a boat. Garmin subscription is pennies compared to a Satellite Phone.

[@flajflaj]

At firs I thought it's a bathroom scale 😂🤣.

[@robertnowak949]

Only downside (a little) is lack of Multiband GNSS as in new Fenix 7 Pro line and GPS Map 67 and above. Gives way better accuracy and quick fix

[@nfkb]

Great to see Quechua clothes getting interest with their great value / price

[@Dcrainmaker]

It's a good thing that Decathlon is about a solid 25-minute pedal, else, I'd probably spend a lot more money there! I use tons of their gear.

[@mlegrand]

Doesn’t Facebook also have a messenger app? Maybe there was some sort of alternative creative option they could have figured out 🤷🏻‍♂️🤔 What do I know.

[@mlegrand]

Dang, needed those nachos Apple. 😂

[@inakilrg]

Ray, did I miss your inReach mini 2 review? I can’t find it but you are reviewing the equivalent of an inReach mini2 Enduro.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Not quite finished with it. I mean, I’ve used it a crapton, and taken more photos of it than I know what to do with. But hasn’t quite made it out onto paper.

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@Jay151 Correct, it's not currently slated to.

[@inakilrg]

@@Dcrainmaker Ok. Looking forward to it 😊

[@skydiver350]

Seems primarily geared towards (group) expeditions and communications beyond emergencies. The seemless transition of this device between WiFi/Cellular and Iridium means that in case Wifi and cellular connection though smartphone are unavailable, both outbound and inbound messages will fall back to a required inreach satellite plan. Possibly expensive unless you're on a Expedition plan. I'll stick to my Inreach Mini (1) with Safety plan for personal emergencies during bike trips.

[@zfjames]

The messaging part is the same as on the inReach 1 I do believe

[@thebeardedgorilla8596]

So if you're exchanging texts using the in reach messenger with the app on your phone, when a responce comes back to you, will it come through on your phone through the app and not as a standard text message? Meaning you would have to stay on the app for the duration of the conversation. Very good video and very interested in this device

[@Dcrainmaker]

It comes to both places, app and device.

[@thebeardedgorilla8596]

@@Dcrainmaker nice. Thanks

[@jamesleehunter]

Garmin Messenger app is incompatible with Inreach Mini 2 in Australia at time of writing.

[@stevemcgavren7645]

Do you happen to know which is the best mapping option (Earthmate or Explore) if I don't need the advantages of the mini? (i.e. battery life, weight)

[@Tanko3691]

Dude, it would have been better to do a comparrison between the messenger and the Zoleo.

[@carloshsieh5681]

Just want to know the Messenger can also send message to e-mail address or only to cell phone number and iridium device?

[@mattausisenberg7577]

You mention on the video you were listing the devices compatible with messenger app but it’s nowhere to be found..

[@RickoH_NZ]

Great review thanks Ray.👍🏼

[@JohnKJohnson]

Missed the key point: Messenger cannot send emails directly (can ONLY send emails [well, not via your usual email address, but one created by Inreach] to devices with the Garmin Messenger app loaded, e.g., recipients have to accept an invitation and load software , whereas the rest of the Inreach devices send emails in the usual manner (e.g., don't require recipient to download an app.) Just got my Messenger today, sending it back this afternoon.

[@riversmatter]

This is not 100% correct. If you send someone an email they can reply directly via a link in the email that opens a web page to respond. No app needed but they can’t reply directly

[@JohnKJohnson]

@@riversmatter Well, anyhow, I turned mine in for a Mini2 which does what I want. PS: Regarding your name "@RiversMatter", I work with fluvial geomorphologist teams restoring large rivers. We are probably on the same page on those issues.

[@anthonycemo7493]

Are the messages from the inreach app sent directly to an iPhone message or does the receiver need to have the app as well? Also when someone texts the Garmin inreach do they text a specific contact or as I mentioned is this all through the app?

[@delinquense]

Was there any mention of how others can track you when you use Messenger? e.g. Mapshare or similar This is critical for my application as I may not be able to send an sos message.

[@BackcountryRenegade]

How does it differ from the Inreach mini

[@overland_adventure_nz]

Thanks, I better reactivate my inReach Mini.

[@sprintgca]

Our travel group typed out a go to guide Key of 9 different messages, each with detailed information about tool needs and types of injury and food and water supplies, and we all have a written copy. If we send out a help message it can be as simple as using the #'s in the text (example 2, 3, 5, 7, 9). This tells us things about needing a spare tire, a tow rope, types of injuries and delays, and how much food and water. Keeps messages short.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Very clever!

[@ozinga614]

Mini 2 vs the messenger, if you could only have one which would it be?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Mini 2. Sure, battery life is longer on Messenger, but more features on Mini 2.

[@Pasequale100]

How well functions the smartphone battery loading? How much battery life can for example the in reach messenger transfer on a smartphone like an iphone? does it takes mich time to do?

[@davet003.5]

I swapped my old Spot for an InReach so I could get feedback that the message went through and if clarification was needed. I can see I case where a party member is lost and you are calling in S&R. Ray - do you know if the Apple service will give two way comms?

[@nbirchenall]

Great video, could you confirm exactly which InReach devices are supported with the new Garmin Messenger app?

[@Dcrainmaker]

From my post and video: The new Messenger app will also become available via firmware update for the GPSMAP 66i, Montana 700i/750i, Alpha 200i, and the inReach Mini 2 units. The timelines on that aren’t solidified yet. Once enabled though, with the Messenger app, those devices will be able to utilize the cellular/WiFi connectivity options when in range.

[@saltydog6241]

@@Dcrainmaker So bummed it won’t work with the original InReach Mini!

[@Steve1215616]

@@Dcrainmaker but I assume the original inReach Mini 1 units will still be able to receive messages and group messages from the new messenger app? Can you confirm that? or, will original users not be able to communicate with this messenger?

[@EdwinvanRiel1]

@@Dcrainmaker great review! Do you have this somewhere stated on Garmin website. Will have to decide between mini2 and messenger one of these days and if this "seamless mess" is available for mini2, will probably go for that, mostly because of better trackback options

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@EdwinvanRiel1 I don't think it's there yet. My note is direct from the Garmin inReach product lead - so I have no doubts it'll happen. The 'when' part is currently unknown.

[@simonsharp9162]

I didn't really understand the difference between the Inrach Mini and the Messenger. I also have a foretrex 601 and forerunner so not too sure what my best SOS option is ?

[@jmdxray6127]

The recent software update to 4.01 causes this device to often drop its connection to the garmin messenger app, so if you are hoping to use this for anything but an SOS device you have to live with that tiny screen until they have their next software update. It was enough for me to return the device until I know it’s actually going to work.

[@michaelb6973]

Need to go Tom hanks in Cast Away to make use of that longer battery life.

[@Dan-bj1cz]

Are they good for someone who lives in New York City if the grid goes down.

[@robertnowak949]

Question! Can I have it paired with my phone and also connested with Foretrex 801 on my wrist? Or only one of those devices? Need to know as deciding point for me

[@morganjones133]

I would really like it if Garmin just allowed me to buy a set number of days to use all features on Inreach and I choose to activate them when I’m going on a trip. Realistically I probably only need 30-40 days a year, so charge me £/€/$5 a day if I buy them individually or give me some bundle discount and develop an app where I can enable them for calendar days before I leave for my trip. Right now there are just too many months where it would be wasted money.

[@pk3]

I’m sure they would have thought of it and figured that’s a common use case for most people who aren’t full time travelers. Most who use the device are weekend warriors I would guess. They wouldn’t want to lose the profit they are making with monthly subscription.

[@morganjones133]

Oh for sure that’s why they do it, however as a result, I’m just not a customer. Simply don’t have one. If this “pay as you go” scheme was an option, they’d sell me a unit and probably 40 days a year at an increased price per day vs a month’s subscription for the convenience of not having a monthly contract. I’m sure there are many many others like me out there that would do the same. Not sure they would see much loss from doing it, if anything, they will sell more units. Keep the monthly options there for more regular users aswell.

[@garyborder1002]

Does the Messenger have the same gps chipset as the Inreach versions? Great presentation, I really enjoyed it.

[@danek893]

I’m encouraging peoples to using Garments if they can, because lot of peoples can’t afford devices pulse subscription, and still want to go off the grid.

[@jermainesmith1052]

Complete shot in the dark. With the IPhone 14 being capable of emergency satellite communication, could Garmin leverage this and just create a separate subscription for this? If not, hopefully, Apple could see potential in this as well. It would be great to even have a limited (texts per month) subscription service.

[@qbncrzn]

I just tried Garmin Messenger with inReach mini 2 and it is not currently supported.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Correct, that's coming in a firmware update.

[@qbncrzn]

@@Dcrainmaker Thank you and your videos are really helpful

[@jonthornton8714]

Thanks for the excellent review.

[@BF_GaMing_91]

Hey It's a great video I really love it

[@LetsPlayanakonda]

I've heard some concerns about third-party access to messages sent through the Iridium satellite network. What steps does Garmin take to ensure the security and privacy of customer messages?garmin can read my conversation or no ?

[@hassanjan01]

Does the inReach Messenger provide the same detail satellite weather on both the device itself and its dedicated app, plus which one is superior? The inReach mini or inReach messenger? I'm getting one for my expedition in the Karakoram's in Pakistan.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup, same there for weather data. For app, the Mini also has the Explore app for navigation - so realistically I'd go inReach Mini 2.

[@tomlevy-theflatlandcyclist2448]

How does compare to the SPOT then?

[@mahadevovnl]

"You do not have a subscription, would you like to subscribe?" "Fill out your credit card information" "Cannot send SOS".

[@PaulBeiser]

Interesting, the Messaging App is not supported on the Inreach Mini 1, only the Mini 2?

[@nbirchenall]

Is that confirmed? I'm just trying to figure that out myself. Garmin website suggests neither are support. (Messenger device only.)

[@PaulBeiser]

@@nbirchenall That’s what I thought as well - Messenger device only.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Would be a bummer. I would not replace my inReach for this device. But it would be nice to have.

[@Dcrainmaker]

I listed them in the video, direct from the inReach product division lead: “The new Messenger app will also become available via firmware update for the GPSMAP 66i, Montana 700i/750i, Alpha 200i, and the inReach Mini 2 units. The timelines on that aren’t solidified yet. Once enabled though, with the Messenger app, those devices will be able to utilize the cellular/WiFi connectivity options when in range.”

[@nbirchenall]

@@Dcrainmaker Amazing, thank you. Shame about the Mini 1! (Also, check the video. You do refer to them being on the screen but they don't appear.)

[@jimm244]

Are the inReach Messenger plans the same as with the Mini?

[@MiniEggs1999]

Daft question. Does the messenger app work with the inteach mini 2 to give same functionality?

[@Dcrainmaker]

It will work a planned future firmware update.

[@Steve1215616]

Does the new Garmin messenger allow you to see your current position lat/long on screen from the unit itself? It didn't seem to from your video walkthrough? On the inreach this is found under the "location" menu item but this seems to be missing (unless it is under "settings" now?)

[@SuperSnallygaster]

@6:09

[@christophmuller830]

Hi, If I want to send a message with the InReach Messenger, does the recipient need to have the Messenger app installed and a Garmin account? Because if I open the Messenger app and go on "New message", there is only me and an invite option. "Invite" basicly does send the recipient a link to the App Store for the app.

[@newsnetworkz]

Is it bluetooth paired to Phone when you put the phone Airplane mode? Edit: I saw the bluetooth was on

[@bike314]

Any word if incident detection will finally be able to get connected to the inreach (like how the 945lte will connect to Garmin to ask for help)

[@chriscohlmeyer4735]

Apart from most of the Trans Canada Highway across Newfoundland you do not have cell coverage so for those that spend some to considerable time in the no service areas something like the inReach can be a lifesaver. At work we have gone from the Forestry/Department of Transportation radio towers (better coverage area than cell phones) and normally good direct contact to helicopters to early Spot units to Satellite phones (wrong provider so only got on average 10 minutes of coverage per hour, Labrador was somewhat better). For a long time we pushed to upgrade to an inReach but no go so far so basically if we don't check-in in the evening by cell phone the boss has to figure out where we were supposed to be that day and initiate a large scale search instead of knowing exactly where we are and why we are late checking-in. If we were stuck for some reason we would likely be well on with preparations to spend the night. From the sounds of the iPhone 14 app, it will likely be restricted initially to the contenental US and southern Ontario and Quebec, and southern portions of the Western provinces leaving out essentially all of Atlantic Canada.

[@Dcrainmaker]

The limit for Apple's solution is the 62nd Lattitude. That covers roughly everything south of Yellowknife (which includes all of Labrador as well). It excludes basically Nunavut and much of the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and most of Alaska.

[@chriscohlmeyer4735]

@@Dcrainmaker as another person noted, Apple is using Globalstar which has consistently had issues covering Newfoundland and much of Labrador - basically they have insufficient satellite coverage for Eastern Canada (small market) and additional satellites that they have launched end up being moved to replace failed satellites. Maybe Apple will pay to add sufficient additional satellites. Garmin uses the Iridium system which has much better coverage and has proven themselves as a dependable provider - Garmin likely has a substantial equity stake to insure Iridium continues to provide dependable service. As your test showed, if inReach is reasonablely open (not blocked by physical objects) it can reach one of several satellites while the Apple needs to be in the open to the sky and is limited directionally to where it detects a satellite.

[@efibendor1]

@@chriscohlmeyer4735 totally agree iridium doesn’t require direct line of site. Although I found that since I’ve started using starlink I don’t use the inreach so paused the Inreach subscription