DCS World 2.5: Bf-109 Intercepting Bombers | New Flak effects

[@dr.michaelr.foreman2170]

That was nice of the developers to make the gunners totally useless for your convenience.

[@twistedyogert]

Must've spent too long at the local pub the night before. Although it is probably pretty difficult to hit a small target flying at more than 300 miles an hour.

[@FullMetal-Tech]

I cannot wait till DCS seriously overhauls the damage modeling and try something new like dynamic damage and soft body physics.

[@deejayGOLDEE]

i asked about that. dynamic damage is beyond of PC capabilities+average net speed.

[@FullMetal-Tech]

look no further than BeamNG Drive. As for dynamic damage, all that technically is is bullet hit here at this angle make damage transparency B and body deformation around decal would be handled by the soft body physics.

[@deejayGOLDEE]

BeamNG is great. all sim developers will used that, when technicaly, internet speed, and average PC owners possible.

[@MrHarbot]

Doesn't Rise of Flight and IL-2 BoS already use some sort dynamic damage?

[@FullMetal-Tech]

No, it uses static decals like the old ones, and actually certain damages have been removed that where present in the original. Cliffs of Dover has a better damage model than that ( except for the wings and the planes turning into a plume of smoke when touching in mid flight )

[@CheckSix]

Holy crap! Good thing you weren’t born 100 years ago or I might be a deutch speaker

[@Razor_Sim]

Haha, good thing that DCS bombers are like easy mode right now.

[@kennethfink7639]

Yeah, not hardly.

[@caxu353]

Poor damage model. Even IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 has better damage model.

[@Razor_Sim]

Description

[@jackfuller8960]

Razor some people can't take a hint...

[@no_fb]

@Can Aksu Yeah. I know it's a known issue and they've been promising to work on that for ages (and the ATC, and other things), but it's still breaking the mood somewhat... don't own 1946 but IL-2 BOX put the bar really high for the damage model, the sound and the graphics, I hope DCS can catch up at some point!

[@simulatedpilot3441]

Yeah but nobody touches DCS and realistic flight models

[@deejayGOLDEE]

thatsway even more glory to dcs. they do a realistic thing. but this ww2 video looks very naive, and unrealistic:_)

[@kentwilliams4152]

Seems like the P-51’s do well and then, after a while, they stop evading. I have noticed this before and it is puzzling. Good video - thanks.

[@seppheinzl9378]

lol, that damage model, flying fortress turns flying paper plane!

[@carlosteran8114]

Gracias, cheers mate, I read your test unde.. You're soo alright.

[@PorcoRossoPorcorosso86]

Another nice video dude, yeah DCS need some improvements about DM, ai behavior ecc. (How many times we chatted about it?) But the FM is much more realistic and immersive than the competitors around combat simulator. But my perverse dream is to have a flyable b17 with this level of realism

[@Razor_Sim]

Thanks Rosso! I'm just tired of all these people complaining about the same problem over and over again. I mean, if the devs wouldn't recognise a problem, ok. But even ED is aware of that and that means something :P A bomber as a Module would surely be interesting :D B-17 or not, most bombers would be nice to have

[@panzerd18]

Sad that IL-2 1946 damage effects when damaging bombers is more impressive with parts flying off compared to this new release in 2018.

[@Schimml0rd]

panzerd18 well at least it flies and looks like a 2018 release :>

[@PorcoRossoPorcorosso86]

time to time. They say that will be improving all aspect about ww2, we know as well the ED. They are long, really long, but I see that every promises are kept, not ignored. And I repeat, for me now with a bad DM but a impressive FM is better than others now. Unfortunately DCS born for the jets, was unecessary an elegant DM, but they work about it, and seem will be at same level Blitz from the pics (for me blitz have the best DM currently, better than BoX)

[@phillyflyguy3590]

War thunder looks and plays better then this game does, and war thunder is free... Not sure what the hype is all about with DCS but it's leagues behind most other games in the genre.

[@twistedyogert]

I can't be the only one that finds it oddly satisfying to see those downed bombers start pooping out crewmembers.

[@FroggyFrog9000]

How to change up the skin on the G17G???? I am having problems getting the DCS User files skins for the B17G to work at all!

[@Razor_Sim]

Did you install it corrrectly?

[@FroggyFrog9000]

Probly not, where to place the skin files?

[@Razor_Sim]

...\DCS World\Mods\tech\WWII Units\Liveries\B-17G If those folders are not present, create them

[@FroggyFrog9000]

Thanks very much Razor, very much appreciated :)

[@vladovu]

Contrary to all historic records, B-17s seem to be made of toilet paper soaked in gasoline.

[@Air-Striegler]

Very nice video. Poor damage model however. Those B-17s drop way too quickly and do not seem to absorb any damage. I am still of the opinion that DCS going into WW2 area was a huge mistake on the side of the management. There are many and clearly way more potent Sims out there that have specialized on the WW2 genre, most and foremost IL-2 Sturmovik BOS BOM BOK which in my oppinion is the Nr.1 address for WW2 flight sims. ED - DCS wasted a lot of time and resources in 2017 to bring out a beautiful map, Normandy, WW2 assets pack and after years they have come up with only 4 (!) planes of this era (Bf 109K, P51-20D, Fw 190D9 and the Spit Mk 9. DCS was and still is fantastic when it comes to modern air combat and also combat helicopters but the WW2 venture of their´s was a huge mistake in my eyes and they will not manage to ever even come close to IL-2 with all respect. I simply cannot understand their decision from a strategic marketing point of view. They had total supremacy in modern air combat sims and instead on focusing on their core competence they opted for spending time and resources for entering WW2 genre with what can only be described as an ongoing eternal construction site sucking away time and resources that could be used to bring the much needed and long awaited improvements and features to modern air combat. It seems obvious at least to me that Eagle Dynamics bit off way more here than they can chew with WW2. Just see for yourselves: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmKuhGydqMiMa8k&t= kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoXPZ4OQbbiEfdU&t=

[@Blablablabla1ify]

I love ED for the superb work that's gone into the modern era part of DCS. But, alas, I'm inclined to agree with you on the basis that, had the Second World War section been released by an unhead of company, the damage models would have been publicly ridiculed to the point of brand destruction. This appears to be a classic Economics example of brand power. But they'd better hurry up with fixing the DM!! Until they do, my Spitfire will remain firmly parked on the ground. I refuse to fly it any more, no matter how immersive the actual flying experience is, until things are improved.

[@Blablablabla1ify]

P.S. I like your profile pic ;)

[@deejayGOLDEE]

no. is good they do it. with 2.5 is far beyond any sim. but they need only to improve damage model, improve... they actualy didnt done an damage model yet...its some beta..:)))

[@Air-Striegler]

Your´s is not bad either, I must admit. (^^)/

[@stevenshears1500]

Now i cant help but think that P-51 is out of ammo because he is flying rings around you, owning you but never took a shot.

[@garyseeseverything8615]

Steven Shears everyone knows the me109 was better flying characteristics than p51. We’re in 2020 bro stop believing grandpa lies

[@freemandiy]

Amazing flying and shooting skills.

[@esajuhanirintamaki965]

This German pilot had very good shooting skill, but in vertical dive with Bf109G must have his eye on ASI!!! Gute Jagd, Herr Leutnant, und fette Beute! Möglicherweise Sie eine Halsschmerz erlitten? (Wartende Ritterkreuz...)

[@johnyfly5849]

what is burning in B-17 on fuzelage? and very easily bf-109 shut down the bombers, really it was very hard. In game "IL-2 Sturbovik" air battle like this are more realistik.

[@Razor_Sim]

Please read the description. Then you know why this is happening.

[@johnyfly5849]

I read and that is nothing to change. Why and what burning exactly fuselage is every B-17? but not fire engines that must be in really airbattle

[@Razor_Sim]

Why does the fuselage burn? It's an old damage model and this is usual with that old system.

[@byro0077]

Thank god i never flew a B-17 made out of tin foil

[@TheSmartodd]

That bird carries a ton of ammo ;)

[@ryanp9190]

Why did the B17s just explode from 7.92mm 😂 some kills didn't even involve cannons

[@Razor_Sim]

13mm* Your question is answered in the description.

[@VELCRO666]

Is the flak option only available on normandy? And what units or option to put it in

[@Razor_Sim]

You only need to get the Flak units to shoot.

[@astrixau8928]

I wish this game could run resolutions above 1080p better. At 1080p can use practically all AA on ultra and then on 2560x1440p it runs crap with any AA. It seems like they only optimised it for 1080p properly. I have to use GPU scaling so the image isn't stretched out but then the screen is so small possibly 20" from 27" stretching looks ugly. BTW I have a 4770K @4.4Ghz and a RX Vega 64 LC running pretty high 1750-1800Mhz and the HBM2 1145Mhz. Nice video I just wish it was optimised better.

[@LONGIRAFFE]

I didn't realise the B-17 was made of tissue paper.....

[@jackfuller8960]

Love the no nonsense description

[@Razor_Sim]

This is the result of people always asking and complaining about the same problem every ******* time.

[@sebastianfrank7784]

i'd love to see you intercept b17s in a full mission from start to landing

[@mikkeljacobsen1152]

Why aren't the B17s not shooting?

[@Razor_Sim]

They are shooting, but in very short bursts

[@elmonte5lim]

Blimey! Rats in a barrel.

[@sgt.airborne3733]

Are the gunners asleep? Where did the escort fighters go?

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

Was ist das grüne Ding rechts neben dem ReVi?

[@Razor_Sim]

Ein Behälter für eine spezielle Tablette gegen das beschlagen der Scheibe glaube ich.

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

@@Razor_Sim Alles klar, ein RLM-Duftbaum. Danke

[@t74guard78]

Damn the AI flight level must have been on cupcake. I know for a fact that B-17's where not that easy to shoot down. They came apart like they were made out of paper.

[@Aksak012]

He is not attacking from behind, but instead taking high speed approaches from above and high aspect shots. No exploit here.

[@WanderfalkeAT]

Too bad that the B-17's have no real Damage Model or better AI! Makes those Kind of Interceptions quite uninteresting compared to the old IL-2 Series!

[@michaelfrench3396]

Why aren't the bombers shooting back

[@Razor_Sim]

Because they are busy with shooting me down.

[@brent4770]

It took more than that to knock a B-17 out of the sky!

[@Razor_Sim]

Description my friend, read the description. There's everything noted in there what you need to know.

[@ivansantic2716]

Ur flying so good

[@johnadams-wp2yb]

Imagine a game, whereby the object is to destroy the planes that your grandads flew in, and died for real.

[@Razor_Sim]

Imagine a game, where you can decide yourself what the objective is.

[@johnadams-wp2yb]

@@Razor_Sim Presumably, the object is to kill the US airmen.

[@Razor_Sim]

@@johnadams-wp2yb If you want to make that the objective, that's totally up to you. It's a sandbox after all.

[@justforfun919]

epic piloting , great skill

[@surearrow]

>> ... hmmm, something's not quite right here. My great uncle was a WWII B-17 waist gunner, and he experienced WWII up close and personal. He wrote many times in his letters that the 17 was the toughest plane ever built, and all the literature I've read kinda backs him up on that. ...so why are they crumbling here like balsa wood paper kites on DCS? This kinda tells me that DCS might be a little "off" on their damage models, maybe in favor of vanity scoring its players enjoyment.

[@Razor_Sim]

Your question is answered in the description.

[@MadJack_I_]

Is this damage model a Beta version? Not Typical for DCS world.

[@Razor_Sim]

No, that is the standard damage model of DCS

[@MadJack_I_]

@@Razor_Sim thx

[@ronaldhowell7427]

They put all this time, money into this game. Why not do it right. Why not not do some homework on this game. Have most of the bombers and fighter bases in England as they looked during the war. If possible all of England and from France to Germany. Now you could have some real air battles. I know it's too much to ask for. Just dreaming out loud.

[@lunatic3783]

where are the bomber gunners?

[@Razor_Sim]

In the bombers

[@dimasrahadian]

When devs trying to be all in one sim.

[@ithoughtshewas18]

Reminds me of IL2 1946 😊

[@zackbenson7658]

How is the dogfighting AI at this point in time?

[@Razor_Sim]

It's either very hard or easy...

[@philhorton1827]

Flak? ermmm where?

[@Razor_Sim]

Look at 1:20 and onwards

[@ericholder2026]

Sucks when the BAD guys win

[@MURSIXX]

Geil!

[@michelhugoud1231]

Game plane top 1

[@JosephHallenbeck]

Yes poor dmg model. Historically absolutelly unaccurate.... You can see the real guncams to see how much hits the B-17 can handle....

[@louisavondart9178]

when a P51 can take more hits than a B17....... sigh....

[@andreyderg8431]

Слишком легко поджигаются Крепости,+ стрелки на Б-17 совсем мышей не ловят.В ИЛ-2 БЗК стрелки на Пешках поджигают атакующий Мессер на раз, и как по мне правда той войны как раз в Иле: сбить огрызающийся бомбер та еще задача...

[@Razor_Sim]

Reading the description or browsing through some comments may confirm your doubt about the poor damage model.

[@andreyderg8431]

Мистер вероятнее всего модель повреждений да и вообще визуализация боя взята из вашего блокбастера Red Tails, только там проклятые Густавы(Bf-109 G6) разрывают несчастные Fortress в клочья но ...А в общем как вам угодно хотите играть в DCS играйте - удачи в небе Сэр

[@Razor_Sim]

Thanks, but all you need to know is that Broken World (Yes, I called DCS broken) needs a lot of time until those bugs are fixed. Until then, we all need patience.

[@andreyderg8431]

Терпение это тот товар который вам предложит DCS в избыточном количестве.Проект Нормандия 44 анонсированный много лет назад разродился тем что есть и большего пока DCS предложить ни в силах так-что да вы правы Терпение и еще раз терпение сэр

[@rags417]

In the deadliest raid of the war (Schweinfurt-Regensburg) the US lost around 26% of their attacking bomber force. In DCS, Warthunder etc I regularly see 60, 70 and 80% losses or more. Sorry, really ruins the immersion for me.

[@GrafDanny]

Bf 109 F-2 skin...grml

[@ronaldwatson1951]

A little to arcadic DCS a 109 is going to bring down a B- 17 on the first pass REALLY!!!! Unlimited ammo to?, nothing against the gamer just the game.

[@Razor_Sim]

While we all can agree that the damage model is bad, unlimited ammo was not turned on.

[@ronaldwatson1951]

@@Razor_Sim appreciate your response, I enjoy your videos and absolutely agree on the damage models in DCS.

[@deejayGOLDEE]

you set some kids mode? why that damage to b-17 is so extreme.? all 2.5 is great, i will never say, they did such a nerealistic mistake in ww2 scenario.

[@Razor_Sim]

Please read the description.

[@kelpshakeandy.v7663]

*11 OCLOCK*

[@kennethfink7639]

Right, because B17s were made out of tissue paper. Pathetic damage model.

[@YlmazDALKIRANscallion]

7:43 Lame Game

[@Razor_Sim]

Not my fault that the AI suddenly slowed down and rolled right. The roll rate of the 109 ain't the best.

[@stevenshears1500]

Never mind the bombers that P-51 would have sent you for a swimming lesson.

[@brettlloyd4446]

Bf 109s shot down some b17s in raids over Germany until the fighter escort p51 mustang came to the rescue and the messerschmitts began to suffer heavy losses, the mustang was a superior fighter

[@garyseeseverything8615]

Brett Lloyd p51 was less maneuverable and bulky. We’re in 2020 grandpa lied to you. Me109 is dope

[@Panzerlang]

Atrocious damage-modelling that does ED no favours at all. Instead of putting so much effort into getting the next new greatest module out the door, fix the existing ones. People seeing this kind of thing will make the sensible decision not to buy the new stuff, seeing how quickly it gets dumped full of flaws, bugs and incompleteness.

[@garyseeseverything8615]

Me109 make mince meat out of p51s

[@innocuousmerchant8766]

commenters=mouthbreathers

[@Chris42344234]

Bombers die much to fast

[@Razor_Sim]

Please read the description.

[@paulsutton482]

Wow what a pile of crap hit the B17 a couple of times and all the engines shut down and theay want $60 yeay right may be $10

[@Razor_Sim]

1) Description 2) It's 30$ and not 60$

[@paulsutton482]

@@Razor_Sim Yeah not in Australia it's not $60 for both the map and aircraft link www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/bundles/normandy_and_wwii_assets_pack_bundle/

[@paulsutton482]

Edit: yes i know what the video is about but the damage model is utter crap.

[@longshot8052]

damage model is horrid

[@Co8a]

Лажа какая-то!

[@mikemorgan8895]

Not very realistic.

[@Razor_Sim]

Please read the description.

[@claudiodiaz9752]

This damage model is shit.

[@fredsalfa]

So you dont like Americans

[@Razor_Sim]

How did you come to that conclusion?

[@ALA-uv7jq]

Hollywood is American friendly. Cowboys always win.

[@fredsalfa]

Razor - Just a feeling I get

[@Razor_Sim]

Just because I shoot down planes of another nation in a simulator/game doesn't make me hating that nation. ;)

[@fredsalfa]

Why dont you fly the 262 might be easier ?