Dead Air Sandman K, S and L comparison in CQB environments

[@russm6759]

Thank you all for your service and supporting the community. Great vid.

[@colbyc.6698]

Subbed due to the case to the forehead

[@Elpescador8723]

Very useful and humble/transparent with experience. Appreciate it.

[@mborski8721]

Thank you all for your service. Great review!

[@fatpandallc8960]

Just out of curiosity what was the position of the decibel meter and what type of meter were you using? Your decibel numbers seemed much lower than what the manufacturer lists and that can occasionally happen if you use a phone or lower end decibel meter as it doesn’t catch the spikes. Thank you for the information and the good content.

[@2ACops]

It was very low. It was 15 feet away from the gun. We just wanted to show the range, not necessarily the precise number.

[@toddmagee6722]

@2A Cops - Supporting Gun Rights @Fat Panda LLC Cool review and perspective! I'm Todd Magee from Dead Air. Much to my surprise, I'm actually the designer of these cans. I actually like how you did a meter comparison from a bit of a distance. It's relative to this test and can't be compared to others, but it jives really well. On the PWS MK111 vs. MK18 comparison, the distant meter won't pick up the port noise that MK18 delivers. With the meter near the shooters ear, you'd find it's almost twice as loud (like up to 10 dB!) as the MK111. Ironically, the muzzle sound of that MK111 can be higher, because less energy was sent back out the ejection port like on the MK18. It's usually only a couple dB, though. But hey, science. I've also found that having wall close to you like this does indeed increase the sound "dose" to the shooter's ear. It's often significant even if a meter won't pick it up. The meter is designed to pick up the tallest energy spike there is to get that peak dB number. Yet, having a wall next to you will throw back a lot of energy that is just under that peak so the meter will usually ignore it. It's kind of an "area under the curve" thing, but it'll sound like an extra 5-10 dB. Remember, that 10 dB is twice is loud and can really hurt your ears. On an unsuppressed side note, when shooting with a good blast diverter (our Dead Air Pyro with the blast jacket installed) it cut the sound exposure to the shooter's ear (and that giant concussion) in a tight indoor environment by a full 10 dB. Obviously, you'd still need earpro, but it made it more like what it feels like shooting out in the open and minimized that giant concussion to the shooter. Oh, and I LOVE that MK111. I've put many thousands of extreme hard-use rounds through mine and it keeps on trucking and remains the best AR suppressor host in my opinion. Plus PWS are good people. Thanks again!

[@2ACops]

@@toddmagee6722 Hey Todd! Thanks for the input! It's awesome to hear from you and get that information. We love Dead Air and PWS (some of the people at PWS are friends of ours since it is around the corner form us). If we do something again, it'd be nice to bounce it off of you guys and get some input. Keep up the good work you're doing. Keith

[@Chuckinlead]

​@@toddmagee6722wow the designer thats cool nice work man i got the wolfman for mpx now for my 2nd can so in your opinion would you choose the k or s if using it on a 16" ar15? Tia : )

[@carmineleonettijr6769]

113 decibels? Did you put the meter out in the parking lot?

[@ricardodiaz8512]

Excellent video guys .

[@thomascozart1095]

Thank you. This was very helpful for helping me decide between the K and S for my Sig Rattler.

[@johnallen1136]

S if your going to run subs a lot. K for the smallest package possible and backpack setup, I have both.

[@thomascozart1095]

@@johnallen1136 I opted for the K to keep everything compact

[@Chuckinlead]

Thanks.. i was getting the sandman s for my ddm4v7 16" but now ill go with the shorter k since the sound wasnt that different

[@SuperJaybird22]

K - 5:48 S - 6:08 L - 6:28

[@spadetrump]

Glad you did the wolverine. I happen to have a wolverine I'm thinking about getting an S also

[@David-xs9nv]

I have a sandman s in suppressor jail and this was the type of comparison I have been looking for...I agree the decibel levels seemed low, but an informative test.

[@claytonjohnston25]

Honestly I got the same decibel range doing my 5.56 with my Sandman k. 16” w/ K was around 113.7 decibels.

[@pfootball6363]

For the Sandman L I think that would be a great can for just sitting in one spot out pig or deer hunting on a bolt gun. I agree with you that it would be way too long for a CQB role

[@2ACops]

I use my L on bolt guns and my 308 AR. I tend to not move around as much with those, so length and weight isn't a big deal.

[@JohnZ556]

For the bolt gun Sandman L is still too heavy. You can get the same or better suppression for a lot lighter or even shorter. Something like Nomad LT would be a much better can for that.

[@jjsemperfi]

Great comparison. For me I’d take the K. Even though it’s louder I like the form factor and weight savings. I always shoot with ears on so a “loud” can shooting supers doesn’t bother me one bit.

[@hellraiserrec19]

If you like the k, check out the yhm resonator k. You can still run the keymo system but cheaper can and better performance

[@gprojectnoob4779]

I'm confused about the complaining about the L length being too long. K is 5.4" on a 12" barrel is around 16.9" total ( subtracting around 1/2" for barrel threads.) S is 6.8" on a 10.3" barrel is around 16.55" L is 9" on a 8" barrel is around 17" They said they tried it on a 7.5" but didnt like it. I wonder why after all this work you didnt include the 7.5" in this test. On a 7.5" barrel the L the same length as a 10.3 with an S. Im going 8.5" barrel and L.

[@eggsinmacoffee]

I just purchased the L today specifically for my 7.5" so I would have liked to have seen that included in the test as well. We'll see how it runs in a few months. eFile Form 4 wait times are looking pretty good :D

[@mr.excitement689]

You seemed like you love the k, didn’t mind the s, but hated the l. Haha

[@sentfromdaniel]

Just subbed. I actually was looking at the L today for my Dd 10.3”. Gonna check out the s and k. My buddy was showing me the screw on gas port that extends it another 1 1/2”-2” as well. It’s my first one so I want to spend my money wisely.... For a change 😂 Thanks for this video guys!

[@eastwood4006]

Looking for a suppressor for my MK18, have my eye on the sandman S, also looking at the surefire SOCOM

[@CalebE98]

Good idea on spending your money on a good can for your first. I didn’t and now I never use my first suppressor, just sits on my “long range”, which I’m going to say long range lighty. I’ve heard some bad things about dead airs QC with their suppressors but I also hear a ton of good things. I’m thinking about getting a sandman K for my 5th can, second 30 cal can.

[@steveeab2364]

Thanks for the comparison. I'm waiting on the L now. I live out in the country and don't plan on doing much running and gunning.

[@hvyduty1220]

first time here, love it

[@JohnZ556]

Good demonstration of the size. But that dB is way off, the action itself is approaching 115dB. Sandman S should be ~140dB.

[@TheFlyingZulu]

6:45 that first round flash signature though... jesus. That's one suppressor I'll never buy. lol

[@mikes1172]

That's nothing compared to any Krinkov brake which comes standard on some Zastava's. I was shooting one a few days ago and flame balls outwards of 6 feet are common. 7.62x39 fire balls are pretty hard to tame.

[@mikes1172]

They also sound like a howitzer going off, especially inside canyon walls, pretty awesome actually.

[@patjoslin4087]

Waiting on the Sandman-s, Mask, and Wolfman. Keep up the good work. Decibels are important, but tone matters most.

[@PracticallySquared1]

Hey guys I really appreciate the video but with all due respect your data is bad. A good suppressed 22 is 115 decibels. A 11" ar isnt... that's 130-140+... you need a higher quality meter to pick up gunshot reports....

[@chrissmithey4545]

What a 22 unsuppressed is like 130dB suppressed it’s 95dB

[@chrissmithey4545]

And account for sub sonic ammo

[@chrissmithey4545]

But I agree with the dB on the ar tho

[@coltenswindle3827]

DB is totally dependent on where you are in relation to the muzzle, the walls and roof, or lack there of You can’t just compare to 22 and discount his findings

[@Flashhood1425]

Are these all running the .30 cal front plate? I have a K with the 556 end plate and a bootleg bolt carrier on S and it’s a noticeable reduction in the first pop… I also have the L on a shorty 300 black as my “home defense” and it’s like a pellet gun inside a building.

[@Jared.k9]

this helped a lot. thank you

[@bluecollaramerican3884]

You can hear it perfectly clunk on his head.😅 thanks guy

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

The Sandman series is modular but is a base .30 cal can. I was wondering what people's thoughts were on the difference between the Sandman K vs the Sandman S on something like a 16 to 18 inch AR-10 in .308 Win. I don't think a battle rifle should ever be anyone's first pick for room clearing and CQB. So I was wondering if the added length and weight of the S vs the K would be worth it for situations where you wanted to stay light and handy enough to run and gun with it, but weren't setting it up to gunfight in an elevator. Say like a DMR where you would be using it in a squad mostly armed with 5.56mm carbines; so you'd need it to be capable of rolling with your squad and covering a sector, but wouldn't be the first one in the stack to get through a doorway.

[@DynamoDanm]

Great video comparing the cans. Are these readings after the first round pop? also did you have any base readings without any suppressors?

[@TheWeekendShooter308]

Looking at the K for my Sig Sauer 716i 16in 308

[@tiger_mother]

Great content. Quick question, though - what gas setting were you running the MK111 on? Did you change it between cans, or run the same setting on all 3?

[@jacobmeyer1270]

hey man, i know this is a late reply (and you didnt ask me) but on my mk111 mod 2 the sandman k has to be ran with the gas all the way open, even with the 5.56 flash hider endcap. The sandman s can work on position 2 but not on three. You really need a tightbored 5.56 dedicated can to make position 3 necessary, although your buffer and spring setup can also make a difference on what setting may be appropriate

[@hochhaul]

The L seems like what they originally meant to target and the S/K are big compromises in sound reduction for the sake in length. If the weight and length are too much but you still want that decibel reduction, the Nomad line is the way to go.

[@scottsaylors1996]

Fantastic video

[@DC-jt9py]

If I'm going to run this on 223 and 308 is the reduction that much more noticeable with the 308 in the L vs the S?

[@peteross4879]

Did he shoot 556 or 300 black out?

[@TheDuppyman]

Great video. You guys should do a 308 bolt action test with all three suppressors. My sandman k is my fav for 5.56 guns, less blow back and still gets the job done of taking the blast and edge off when compared to my sandman s. I use my sandman s for 30 cal guns only. That sandman L didn't have any muzzle flash/

[@2ACops]

We may do that soon. We might do it on a 6.5 CM since there are more of those around. I would definatly be looking at a Nomad, though, for a bolt gun.

[@j.p.4541]

@@2ACops Love your videos man, fantastic content. I seriously need a suppressor for my (10.5, 14.5 and 16") AR15 rifles, all are 5.56, none are bolt action. I already own a Q Thunder Chicken suppressor for my .30 caliber rifles, do you have any recommendations for a medium sized can that has a good tone for 5.56? Currently I'm looking at the Nomad, Wolfman, Sandman-S and YHM Turbo. Thank you.

[@ShooterMedic1818]

I have a PWS mk111 with the K on it and it's a great fit.

[@Kara.Zor-El]

I'm torn between the RC2 and the Sandman S. Been trying to decide for months and i'm about to just buy both because I can't pick. I love that the RC2 is a proper 5.56 can and it's great for flash reduction, but the mounting system worries me, I feel like the first time it gets stuck i'm just going to leave it permanently attached and never remove it again. The sandman S has the superior mount by a long shot but it's a bit longer and its a 30cal can which isn't exactly what I need. The sandman K looks fantastic and I love the size, but with the flash signature still being ridiculous (especially if you're doing any low light or NV shooting) and the DB reduction not being all that great, I almost feel like a blast forwarding device would be money better spent than buying a K. Putting one on a 5.56 seems like an absolute waste. Subsonic 300bo is its place.

[@jonathonanderson2317]

For what its worth, the surefire can can't get stuck. All you have to do is unlock the collar and fire a round through it and it will break any carbon lock and remove it self from the muzzle device.

[@efm2169]

Im torn between the k and s I was thinking buying the sandman s because I will use for bolt rifle 6.5 creedmore 16 in ar15 an 16 in Ak47 and my close quarters would be a 7.5 inch ar15. Do you think the s would be good for the 7.5? I’m just worried the k would not suppress the 6.5 creed as well.

[@2ACops]

I haven't put my K on my 6.5. My S keeps it pretty quiet though. Just go with the S. You can make it work.

[@efm2169]

Ok thanks for your feedback I will stick with the s model.

[@CertifiedBullpupHater]

I’m rocking the s on my 11.5 I have a k in jail but the s is pretty solid middle ground. I’ve even been able to run it on my 13.9 pretty solid...a little too long tho

[@efm2169]

@@CertifiedBullpupHater ya I already bought the s it’s In jail. Will probably get the k at some point in the future

[@known_to_malfunction5226]

I have the Sandman S. I run it on several platforms and it is a great can to run with. S is more robust and can handle higher pressures.

[@jbarres80]

Would of liked to see non suppressed 1st

[@timsmith6228]

Just curious, what grain ammo were you using? I have a Sandman S waiting to be approved which I’m going to use on a DDM4V7 with a 10.3” barrel. Your video gives me a good idea on what I can expect. Thank you.

[@j.p.4541]

Hi Tim, I have a 14.5" DDM4 V7 SLW and Im trying to decide between the DA Wolfman, YHM Turbo, or the Sandman S and Im having a bitch of a time deciding between them. lol

[@timsmith6228]

@@j.p.4541 I have a Wolfman and a Sandman S in ATF jail so I don’t have a good answer as to which one is better. All I can say is that SilencerShop said that Deadair is currently the best in the business. Their construction, Keymo mount and customer service sets them apart. The Wolfman is a great multi-caliber can from 9mm to your 5.56. Hopefully you find this helpful.

[@j.p.4541]

@@timsmith6228 Thanks buddy I appreciate it.

[@mr.excitement689]

@@j.p.4541 I just put a sandman s into nfa jail today. I also have a wolfman. The wolfman only comes ready to handle 9mm from the factory. You have invest fairly heavily into dead airs mounding system if you plan to run a wolfman on .556. Be advised. My advice to you is if you plan on suppressing only .556, go with the sandman -s first. The sandman comes with dead airs qd mounting system installed. (Welded in I think) plus a muzzle brake , but it will be in 5/8x24. You will need 1/2x28 for most ar-15’s. Dead air will exchange it by mail if you ask them though.

[@dilorenzopiero5162]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@Godscaliber1911]

Happy Father's day

[@kevingoodman7191]

Looks like you’re doing well Keith.

[@2ACops]

Life is good in America brother!

[@fook-joby-den6172]

For my Purposes of self defense/life/Liberty rifle my preferred suppressor length strictly for signature reduction purposes is either a 12.5”-14.5” 5.56(in an ideal world a 13.9” 6.5Grendel would do nicely.)(All D.I. Applications). IF I had an unlimited supply of ammo I’d run the 6.5Grendel all day long, given @300 yards a 123gr pill has around 1,000 FTLBS of Energy(which is ball park what the 12.5”-14.5” 5.56 has energy wise@ the muzzle) & @750 yards the 6.5G has around 500FTLBS of energy using a 123gr ELD pill. However, practically speaking for compatibility with those around me should I run dry and need to bum a magazine from a “fellow gun enthusiast”, having the significantly weaker 5.56 round(especially when talking at distances out to 500 yards using a 12.5”-14.5” 5.56) I’m giving up quite a bit of energy on target BUT if I’m the only one in my group running the short 6.5 Grendel & I run dry, I could “crap” in one hand & “wish” in the other& see which hand fills up first…..

[@colbyc.6698]

Your swat days sounds like Bill Blowers swat days

[@kalskiratta8633]

Sandman l seems more for larger rifles like 300 win mag and such in which case your not getting a short gun anyway.

[@ugatobekittenme]

Decibel level does not matter, either wear electronic ear pro or just deal with the loudness, adrenaline will ignore it in any serious situation

[@JohnWick-ps4hm]

1st SGT made me fire my M4 without earpro during qual one time, outdoors and all and to this day I still have ringing in my left ear.

[@rl1271]

I have an L and is way too heavy for a cqb can

[@johnw4999]

I run the S on my ARs, and the L on my Petra .300WM.

[@fireboyrasmussen1976]

I'm moving to Idaho.

[@combatsolutionsgroup2021]

This guy puts the sound meter out in the parking lot….we’ll done sir.

[@brandonmatias5320]

Sandman L looks like its longer than the barrel on the mk18...

[@user-yb8lz6el7s]

Have a nomad 30 still waiting on atf to me DB not worried about to much. More worried about flash and where did that shot come from. Think that’s more important to me that is. Great video keep it up

[@kevf500]

should have thrown in the nomad 30

[@functioningbroken3497]

Everything with Suppressors on KZbin is about noise f that tell me about the flash

[@stephenfannin6482]

That shits too long my man

[@johnadams7538]

lmfao!!!! cops supporting gun rights!? this has got to be satire

[@s-48group39]

Sandman K is Pure Dog shit don't buy it... Sandman S is the way. I have a sandman S on a Daniel Defense Mk18 and also a crane spec mk18 mod 0 and it's an incredible can Run it on my 6.5 creedmoor as well and it Suppresses the 6.5 creedmoor amazingly

[@jefflemaster2850]

Nice- I just bought my S- waiting on the stamp now. Can’t wait!

[@s-48group39]

@@jefflemaster2850 the S is fire. If you run it on a 556 the 556 flash hider endcap is tits

[@johnadams7538]

oh wow. its not satire.......oh man.....can we get a - cops not extorting citizens group going too?