Dead Enough - the fifth estate

[@Whatdoesthisboxdo]

I can't imagine the guilt of being pressured to make the choice for a loved one and then wondering if they may have recovered. My own medical horror story that really opened my eyes about how important it is to advocate for yourself . I lost 1 baby during a twin pregnancy and the doctors and nurses all pressured me to terminate the surviving baby 23-25 weeks along because she had poor medical prognosis. They made it sound so hopeless and were quite annoyed that I wanted to wait to miscarry naturally, since they all seemed to think that would be the outcome anyhow. I had such a tiny glimmer of hope for my baby, they used the term "incompatible with life". She's going to be 7 on the 1st. She's healthy, typical, an all around amazing kid. I wouldn't want to picture my life without her. I'm so grateful that I didn't let the doctors pressure me but I wonder how many other people were told things like "hopeless" and "incompatible with life" and then wondered if they made the right choice 😔💔

[@karencrook8484]

when my son was 12 we were told he wouldnt survive an hour after a massive bowel obstruction surgery...all organs had shut down.....we were too afraid to let him go...7 weeks later he came out of icu and spent 5 months on the general ward....today he is about to turn 21....fragile but happy♡

[@corpuscallosum4479]

Same here. one of my family was declared "grim" prognosis after a catastrophic stroke with delayed medical help 2004. For the 7 days, all doctors declared grim prognosis, they cut him up, stuck him with all surgery procedures and squeezed about $350,000 insurance money (this was the great American insurance system) from that tube-ravaged body and twice/day MRI. After 7 days, they knew no more insurance is allowable to operate on, then they sent specialists after specialists to tell us no hope to recover, vegetative for life, better be a organ donor. One "benevolent" doctor actually said if we were that state's resident ( his stroke happened cross our home state line) with no living will, the doctors had the right to take off the life support. As powerful as God! We didn't yield and one week later he woke up from coma and now 12 years later, alive, well and enjoying his life joyously. Organ donor is idealistic and humanistic, but look at the major hospitals changing their wait time to even 20 minutes, you will know the risk is there, Can you afford the mistake to your loved ones?? I rather err on the cautious side.

[@oilcanboydisgod9820]

i would of told that doctor take my fam of life support and ill put you on it

[@jasontroy4723]

Karen Crook : Thanks for your story I hope he has a wonderful life . Wish him and your family all the best in all future endeavors . Regarding this Doco . Wow some scary storys here . Donation helps people I have no issue with that but one must be 100% dead in order to remove organs . If not its straight up murder .

[@davidcopperfield-notthemag397]

Karen Crook I have a loved friend who had a severe head injury in a car accident and was on total life support. That is a scarey sight. Which makes people LOOK dead to the family. His mother would not give up on him. He came out of 'being brain dead' and 17 years now he is physically strong with brain damage but has a quality life. The docs said he was dead when he wasnt. He would have known he was being cut apart. It happens all the time. Do docs take the heart out first in case they aren't dead?

[@Anita-k]

David Copperfield-not the magician No, I'm very sorry to disappoint you. The heart is always the very last organ which the doctors take out. Cause they need the heart to keeping up the blood flow while they're cutting out the organs. - Otherwise the organs would die and "become useless". - As far as I know the heart has to keep beating till the lungs can be removed successfully. (Usually this is done by a doctor manually in the very last moments). And no, I'm not kidding you and I don't wanna give you nightmares. - But I'm already tired about the lies our medical system is telling us/wants us to believe. No organ donator is "really dead" while donating. These are all people the middle of the process of dying. You all should do a lot more research! * Noone really knows how much a so called "braindead person" is still feeling (pain, fear, other emotions,...). That's why in Switzerland all organ donators receive full anesthesia. That's the common law there EXACTLY for this reason! * Noone is REALLY DEAD while donating - these are all people in the process of dying! You can't harvest organs from corpses, this just wouldn't work. - Otherwise they would take the organs from their OWN hospital's PATHOLOGY... Most importantly: * There's NO international definition for being "braindead". * There's NO international special education for the doctors who are allowed to declare someone as "braindead". * There's a reason why this video is titled "DEAD ENOUGH?" - Cause if they don't have enough braindead donators, they're searching for new ways to stretch the law... As you can clearly understand when you watch the video to the end. This is not only about "saving lifes" as the wanna claim and wanna make us believe, this is mainly about money for the hospitals, doctors and noone knows who else is involved. * Our medical system is making us believe to "do something good" and to "safe lifes" while they're cutting open our relatives during their dying process. And btw: * Check your iPhones! Go into the "health" app and you'll discover that your settings are pre installed to "YES" when it comes to the question if you wanna donate your organs. I honestly wonder why this is done so secretly by Apple? (Cause donators aren't dead, just saying).

[@nikkib5753]

Wow!!! This REALLY gives us organ donors something to think about. Someone placing the value of my organs over the value of truly saving my life, does NOT sit well with me. I think we can all agree, as a person willing to be an organ donor, we are already selfless. I'm sorry if a situation makes it that my organs are no longer good if you don't get them out within minutes, I want my life saved first. I'm giving my organs ONLY if saving my life is not possible. But now im supposed to trust in a doctor to decide that? Wow!!

[@jjb193]

My thoughts exactly

[@irinarose7553]

I can not agree more. Doctors aggressively force families to donate organs from loved once. My friend was told that if she doesn't sign organ donation consent for her husband they will no longer take care of him, cause it is waste to the hospital. They turned him of the life support and ventilator, but he started breathing on his own. It took him a year to recover but he is very alive and well now...

[@stoumask2570]

@@irinarose7553 thanks for your words, the question is 'what kind of medecine is ?'

[@merncat3384]

I literally know 3 different people who were in a coma.. 2 of them were for a few months and one was for a few YEARS but they ALL heard EVERYTHING being said around them. The one guy I know was in a motorcycle accident and they thought he had brain damage (I'm so glad they did not take him off of life support!) but to this day, every year on the anniversary of him waking up from his coma, he reminisces about the things that he heard people saying in his hospital room while he was under.. he remembers his mom praying over him and he knows which prayer it was.. he remembers one of his friends playing a song he likes.. he remembers what the doctors said.. he literally remembers it ALL so don't underestimate the human body and mind and don't ever put too much belief in what doctors and nurses tell you.. they only know what they are taught in medical school.. they don't know EVERYTHING.

[@LMB222]

Coma is far, far from being braindead

[@EARTHTOMICH8LLE]

Yup!!!!

[@merncat3384]

@@LMB222 of course but the doctors were saying that he would have been braindead if he woke up from the coma.. he woke up but wasn't braindead. That was my point.

[@dellingson4833]

My father in law had a stroke a few years ago and died with in a few weeks. They did a MRI and said he had zero brain activity it was just a white cloud so they were just letting him die. After two days he sat up and greeted us and asked for his sons guitar which he had brought. He was a incredible singer, musician he played 5-6 beautiful sons and sang. I found the doctor brought him to the room and said is this what you call zero brain activity. After about 20 minutes there was 7-8 doctors, nurses also in the room. I think they were shocked. After about 90 minutes he told the doctor to be nice to people and said to each of us he was going to sleep for a while held each of our hands. He then lied down after a ice cream bar and died 3 days later. I asked the staff to explain that, they couldn't.

[@jinxsta999]

I can imagine being in a coma and hearing people saying stuff like "she's not gonna make it, her organs are failing" scary af.

[@viyannalangager4039]

Having been in a coma, I can tell you that it was very weird when I later would say this or that happened. Even was able to say word for word an argument my parents had. All of my major organs had shut down to a deadly virus. I later visited the hospital and when I turned the corner to the room I was in, I almost fainted. I suddenly recalled everything. I saw myself die and the staff reviving me several times. The nurse with me then was one of the nurses that night. She verified everything I recalled truly happened. That was in 1998. They told my ten 10 year old son mommy was dying. Then they said I'd never walk, talk or feed myself. It is now 2021 and I definitely do all three of those very well.

[@morsecode9787]

@@viyannalangager4039 YOU YES OR 👎 ON YR DL FOR ORGAN DONOR?? I NEVER DISCUSSED IT OR HEARD CONVERSATION..BUT MY INSTINCT TOLD ME TO CHECK NO.. UNTILL JUST THIS YEAR ACTUALLY 5 MONTH S AGO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO. HAVE MY MOM '$ BRAIN DONATED FOR ALZHEIMER'S RESEARCH. DONT. TOO LATE FOR HER TO DECIDE... UNTILL MEETING U I REALIZE I CAN GET COPY OF HER DL. I KNEW. ABOUT COMA NOT BEING END. OVER 45 YRS AGO WHEN OUR FORMER NEIGHBOR FRIEND WOKE AFTER 2YEARS & REMEMBER ED US VISITING. LIKE U .💞 STAYED IN MY SUB & CONSCIOUS EVEN THO I WAS A CHILD.

[@morsecode9787]

@@viyannalangager4039 BLESSINGS TO U.. AND YR RECOVERY IS TO BE TOLD & 🎉 CELEBRATED💞

[@marywagner9927]

There should be NO “brain dead” organ donations!!!!

[@yanifree114]

When in the Cardiac Care Unit after a heart attack..having no advocates..the nurses became like, acted like family to me, a 53 yo with no prior history. One of them quietly warned me/schooled me not only with words..but gestures, etc. to get all paperwork in order after explaining what could/has happened in that ward. I have on my DL that I'm an organ donor. After this incident, I began researching and what I found..made my skin crawl. Nurses Rock.

[@debbinz5108]

I used to be an organ donor until I saw first hand how eager the harvest team was to sign on the line. I know personally of two patients who surprised their doctors and came back, both living productive lives. Had their families signed on when approached they would not be here today. I am all for organ donation but am not on board with giving up too quickly.

[@eddiecongdon8017]

You're all for being agnostic

[@luckylegz222luckylegz9]

Having worked in the Medical Profession, i heard this years ago. A lot of Doctors refuse to carry these cards to donate...for obvious reasons!

[@inkyguy]

Nearly all medical personnel are donors. They know and have often seen the people who have died because of the lack of people to be donors.

[@Heatherrrrr-uh2sl]

@@inkyguy I dont believe so.

[@sassulusmagnus]

My sister was "written off" more than once by doctors. In 2013 we were urged to sign a DNR for her against her written and verbal wishes while she lay unconscious and on life support in the ICU due to hospital errors. We refused. She recovered.

[@lornagodbylg]

We were told my uncle would be a cabbage and it would be a mercy if he he died, when being asked for his organs. He was a 22y.o Man in the prime of his life (had motorbike accident). Thank God my gran refused, after too much pressure. He went on to live a normal life - no brain damage

[@mariamagiba1839]

What bike? No disrespect

[@lilyr7221]

WoW imagine if ur gran agrée he wouldn’t be here today! Doctor would in a rush to get his organs!

[@merncat3384]

You would be absolutely shocked at how often I have heard similar stories or how many people I know who pulled out of comas when they were told they would be brain dead

[@stephmullin9709]

Thank Dear Lord Jesus

[@christinesbetterknitting4533]

@@stephmullin9709 Always give thanks to Jesus.

[@terripebsworth9623]

Doctors have zero idea if a comatose patient with no heartbeat can feel pain. I used to know a bunch of nurses who worked on the organ removal team at UCLA. They saw tears flowing from the eyes of many such patients as their organs were been removed just a minute or 2 after their heart stopped. That freaked most of those nurses out and within short order they requested to be assigned to other teams/departments.

[@laraoneal7284]

Terri Pebsworth WOW. Sick psychopaths. Thx for sharing this.

[@Latabrine]

😳omg

[@gracelewis6071]

That's horrifying. This should be a pinned comment imo - it tells us everything we need to know.

[@kallie9229]

I’ve decided to go off the list here in America when I go in for my enhanced license. I want to donate, but I trust my family and friends to decide when is appropriate over it being a free for all chosen by strangers.

[@andreaspreadbury4286]

Yep I will only trust my friends and family to make the decision not a medical doctor to make the decision for me.

[@sarahwales6276]

Trust in the Medical Industry?? That trust needs to be earned and it's been violated for so long.

[@merncat3384]

You are 100% correct and violated is an understatement

[@andreaspreadbury4286]

I agree this why it is important to set boundaries (Make a will) (Talk to a lawyer about what your will wants)

[@GGiblet]

having been in a coma myself i just want to say: Be careful what you say around the comatose .. i could hear but not respond

[@mrcory1999]

Boo Spanyer Cassiopeia dude i have crazy memories from my coma

[@reelillusionl123]

tay harper like what if i can ask? curious how it would be

[@lexidothan6422]

tay harper yes what do you remember

[@lburns7952]

I was in one as well for 5 days in 2000. I had a pulmonary embolism and was on life support. I was 38 years old. I could hear everything. I had emotions I 'saw' colors. Not with my eyes though. Peoples voices were a color to me. I remember all kinds of things.

[@defaultaccount5475]

@@lburns7952 wow!!! That is fascinating! God is good! All the time!!

[@TheJeffreyAllan]

My god I feel bad for the familys that listened to those doctors now feeling guilty because they pulled the life support.

[@eamsee657]

My father was a healthy 24 year old and working as an RN in 1987. Being a nurse, he did not believe in an "after life" and that it's basically lights out and the void. While walking down the hallway and conversing with a couple of co-workers he went into sudden cardiac arrest. No pulse, not breathing, completely unresponsive. He remembers hearing someone yell the code for such a medical event and then running in response to assist in aiding the patient, only to realize that he wasn't running, was above the people he had been walking with, and see that it was his body that they were working on. One of his co-workers was so upset that she started crying and had to be brought into another room, away from the scene. He followed into the room (floating through the wall) and proceeded to listen to the conversation of her and the nurses trying to calm her down. He suddenly felt like he had a bungee type cord around his waist and was suddenly whipped back into his body, which now had pulse restoration after some AED shocks, and was out of the hallway and in a room. While in his body he felt no pain and wasn't aware, basically like sleeping. Shortly after that he again lost his pulse and this time found himself floating in the room with his body and the staff frantically trying to bring him back. He watched for a bit, then looked into the hall where he saw another co-worker drop a burgundy colored pen, watched it roll, then stop at the base of a door a few yards down the hall. Then, the bungee cord feeling happened again and hours later he woke up in a hospital bed in serious, but stable condition. At first when he mentioned his experiences they were dismissed as dreams, things he heard when he still had some vitals, or hallucinations. He then relayed the conversation that his colleagues had when they were comforting the other nurse in the separate room back to them and also relayed the pen incident. Changed his perspective and that of those co-workers forever. Though he wasn't on life support, the experience taught him that there is a lot we do not know. Where as he would discredit such "paranormal" or religious claims prior to his experience, he does not now and that has enabled him to be a better nurse and care giver, especially to those near death.

[@mcjc17]

Thank you for sharing your dad’s experience

[@thatonejackassfromru]

Thank you for sharing

[@lennarthagen3638]

Sounds like bs

[@stellaz2595]

@@lennarthagen3638 I have a good friend who had a similar experience, and she is not a fanciful kind of person.

[@corpsefoot758]

@@lennarthagen3638 But why should we value your personal judgement here

[@meltakiari7898]

I live in New Zealand & I decided 30yrs ago that I would be a donor. I am not sure of what the legal or moral regulations are in my country in regards to organ harvesting & donation are, but this documentary has me questioning my decision. Thank you to the doctors that are sharing their concerns. Looks like I have some homework to do

[@pamkou]

I was in a coma for 3 mths after my gastric bypass caused a perforated ulcer. I ended up with massive internal bleeding and had to have emergency surgery. My heart stopped during surgery. I was down for about 20 mins. I then went into sceptic shock. I was on a vent unable to breathe on my own. Drs told my husband I had maybe a 6% chance of coming out of the coma. He said they pushed him hard daily to stop life support and donate.

[@mirror0images]

If you went into septic shock your organs wouldn't have been very useful..

[@numberone5680]

I’m going to definitely investigate my local hospital’s protocol concerning declarations of death. All of my extended family are organ donors. When my husband was pronounced dead after a trip to another state, I authorized donation since it was impossible for me to get there before harvesting had to take place. Now, I realize he should’ve been left on life support until I got there.

[@vickicarnes6860]

I thank those who have the gift of life to my brother. Though he is gone now those gifts gave him many years he wouldn't have had other wise however this has opened my eyes.

[@kathyhyb]

my son has had 2 liver transplants, one at age 14 the other at 23. waiting for the second one his organs began to shut down. his kidneys went and he went on dialysis. a donor liver came only a short time later. after everything was done our doc told us our son, at the outmost, only had a week to live after the kidneys shut down. today he is 31, healthy and giving back as a registered nurse. I can only say I am so grateful to those families that saved my son's life. both transplants were done in Texas.

[@ladywolfe67]

OMG!!!!! This happened to me!!!!! I got harassed to sign my organ donor card while the hospital staff were triaging me after a small car Vs a super B-train transport truck head on crash in March 2002 in Eastern Ontario. They asked me 5 times to sign my donor card and then they had the OPP officer ask me.

[@ksisu1324]

@Priority Urgent I had just moved to that wee town, no family or friends in the region. No one to protect my rights. Head injury, many bone breaks and torn muscles. I answered them clearly, "No", in increasing volume.

[@ManiacalViolet]

My aunt was a donor. After she passed they gave her eyes to a new person. That person wrote my whole family a letter saying thank you because our Aunt had allowed her to see again.

[@merncat3384]

Well I think it's beautiful and wonderful that they actually gave the receiver that opportunity because as far as I understood, it's illegal for the donor's name to be released or for their family members to be contacted, even in a positive light because it might be too difficult on them.. at least that's what I've always heard.. maybe it varies in different hospitals 🤷‍♀️ Btw, bless you and your Aunt 💞 That was a very kind decision to make.

[@sabatchk4904]

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[@asha4736]

@@merncat3384 In my country, the family of the donor are asked in advance if they're happy to be written to by the person who received a transplant and if they are, the person/people who have received an organ give their letter to a doctor or intermediary who then passes it on to the family.

[@Seek_Him]

Very Nice

[@LiliAquinas]

@@merncat3384 it varies by location, but generally, the donor's family has to say that they are okay with contact, IF the recipient wants to initiate it. My family has had a lot of experience with this in the past decade, both as the donor family and as the recipient family. This has been the case in several US states.

[@sloanchessman5783]

I am currently an organ donor; however, after watching this video, I am going to the driver's license office tomorrow and changing that, because I do no longer feel I can trust doctors to do the right thing by me.

[@katiix]

You can change it online at the RMV website.

[@JohnnyTromboner]

That still may not be enough, depending on your state's laws. Learn how to protect yourself at www.lifeguardianfoundation.org

[@wisdom47397]

Good move, there is a form you would have to fill out. Here is a very good link for you to help to make a right decision kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4u5oGiFZbxqjKc

[@surfside75]

Exactly!

[@pappyreeves6988]

My late Mum was a hospital nurse and had seen this happen even in the United Kingdom, where I live. She warned me when I was young to never become an organ donor unless I wished to be a LIVE organ donor one day, if necessary..ie..give one kidney to a relative or friend in need etc. She told me, from personal experience, that organs were taken before death...so it's a no from me.

[@purplefashion4588]

if organ are taken befor edeath, then the brain/heart dead organ doners are given full general anesthesia both before, juring, and after the organ harvesting sugury the remove the high possibility of feeling severa pain and suffering.

[@roxanneengli7419]

A urologist I used to work with and respected said when you donate a kidney and then something goes wrong with the remains on, you’re hooped

[@angelica3744]

Very interesting documentary. It was nice to see a different perspective of organ donations. I believe families should be allowed to make the decision to donate organs for family members who are brain dead and cannot make the decision themselves (similar to how families are able to make decisions about whether to terminate life support). However, if someone has a good chance of surviving trauma, then doctors should work to help them and not immediately rush to donate their organs. In the end, a person survives and one dies. Morally speaking, I don't see why it should have to be the person in need of an organ who is favored over the person who will donate.

[@angelica3744]

Kevin Cyr You need to get out more.

[@angelica3744]

***** You're awesome. May I recruit you to come up with witty comebacks every time some lonely horny soul decides to come at me on KZbin?

[@angelica3744]

Kevin Cyr I just feel sad for you at this point. I can't imagine you have much going on in your life if this is how you get your kicks. Thank goodness for the "mute" option on YT now.

[@kennsmith2424]

***** oh brother not another goof

[@kennsmith2424]

***** do you sell crack to kids ?

[@mamamaters]

Some of this makes no sense to me, like, let one person be dead so another can live, who decides which patient deserves it most ?

[@inkyguy]

If more people were organ donors then this issue wouldn’t exist at all. There would be more than donors except squeamish and, frankly, selfish people want their bodies t rot “intact” rather than allow others to live.

[@sierrachoco5271]

Frankenstein!

[@Heatherrrrr-uh2sl]

@@inkyguy If you want to die while your organs are torn from your body then go ahead you can't decide if the rest of us do that

[@mmason9836]

​@@inkyguythe only selfish people in organ donation are the recipients.

[@djlonga5307]

My "stepmother"" had my fathers organs donated, I had no say. What I saw in the hospital bed was my father with a brain injury but very much alive. By the time I got to see him they had already subjected him to procedures to test his organs for donation. I felt then and still believe it was rushed and he was given no chance to recover. I don't think its right that one person only related by marriage got to make that decision. I don't think she wanted to be bothered by a possible long recovery and rehab not to mention the expense. These issues need to be discussed with multiple family members before we are lying in a coma unable to communicate. I still after 18 years have passed think that there was a rush to take him, that is why I won't donate organs.

[@wisdom47397]

I am sorry you had to go through this...❤ I will never be an organ donor and I tell my kids not to be one. It's sad and horrible how quickly doctors give up on a patients that are organ donors... And the worst of all, some people who were declared brain dead could still feel, ...just couldn't respond and they lived through doctors trying to harvest they organs.... It's about the money...

[@surfside75]

I found out that hospital staff just won't try as hard to save your life if they see the little heart on yr drives license indicating that yr a donor.

[@lilyr7221]

Surfside i believe that too and for that I won’t be a donor!

[@bccabernet]

I just re-watched it and it's scary to say the least. I am an organ donor, but I simply do not trust the Drs to not try everything possible to save me when my organs are in need. While I am happy to donate my organs when I am dead, I am not willing to be sacrificed (like the young man almost was) in order for someone else to get my organs. I am almost teetering on changing my organ donor from Yes to No.

[@Anita-k]

BC Cabernet You all should do a lot more research besides the mainstream adds for organ donation! * Noone really knows how much a so called "braindead person" is still feeling (pain, fear, other emotions,...). That's why in Switzerland all organ donators receive full anesthesia. That's the common law there EXACTLY for this reason! * Noone is REALLY DEAD while donating - these are all people in the process of dying! You can't harvest organs from corpses, this just wouldn't work. - Otherwise they would take the organs from their OWN hospital's PATHOLOGY... Most importantly: * There's NO international definition for being "braindead". * There's NO international special education for the doctors who are allowed to declare someone as "braindead". * There's a reason why this video is titled "DEAD ENOUGH?" - Cause if they don't have enough braindead donators, they're searching for new ways to stretch the law... As you can clearly understand when you watch the video to the end. This is not only about "saving lifes" as the wanna claim and wanna make us believe, this is mainly about money for the hospitals, doctors and noone knows who else is involved. * Our medical system is making us believe to "do something good" and to "safe lifes" while they're cutting open our relatives during their dying process. And btw: * Check your iPhones! Go into the "health" app and you'll discover that your settings are pre installed to "YES" when it comes to the question if you wanna donate your organs. I honestly wonder why this is done so secretly by Apple? (Cause donators aren't dead just saying).

[@rubytuesday5412]

@@Anita-k ~ Thanks for the heads up.

[@jujub428]

How scary, I'm all for organ donation. But I'm not going to tell them that because they will rush it. This makes me mad.

[@andreaspreadbury4286]

I agree with you. I just donate my blood for people who need blood transfusions.

[@rubytuesday5412]

@@andreaspreadbury4286 ~ I've always wanted to give blood but mines not good enough. Vegetarian. I am an Organ Donor tho but this has got me thinking......

[@rasberryjamdoughnut2288]

I believe in organ donation, but only if I can no longer use them. No one should be taking organs from people who are still alive.

[@angelagay3792]

Well, i would say that only applies to organs required to sustain life. One can donate a kidney while alive for example.

[@elizabethhayward570]

Reminds me of that film called Coma. I am so scared I will be misdiagnosed and organs removed before I am properly dead. I have no close family either.

[@agriffin5308]

I absolutely 'love' how they ping-pong people between life and death on both sides of the issue... Now, let's talk about stem cell growth of the patient's own cells to create their own organs something started in 2007....

[@GoodnightJLH]

Growing new organs from stem cells is still in the research stage. It’s still impossible to accomplish right now although scientists are trying and it may be something available for the next generation.

[@Turkeyinthehay]

This does scare me. I don't ever want to allow a loved one to be taken before their time and I absolutely do not want anyone taking my organs until I'm actually dead. If brain death is "too late", I'm sorry but you can't have my organs. To me, that is the standard of death.

[@davidc3839]

If neede you would want a transplant organ to save your life though, and there is the dichotomy.

[@LiliAquinas]

@@chelleyd4020 it's possible to be brain dead and have a still beating heart. In fact, for most of the body's organs, it is required to have good perfusion until they are removed from the body and chilled. It is also absolutely necessary to give the person "full anesthesia" during the harvesting surgery, to prevent the body from going into shock, which happens even after brain death. Just because parts of the nervous system are still able to function does NOT mean that the person is "still alive." Even so, be sure you have your wishes written on the proper forms, and keep them on your person at all times, so that some "money-hungry" organ snatcher doesn't get your parts! 😉 Me personally, if I'm brain dead, even if my heart is still beating, "they" are welcome to have any of my parts that are useful to those who still have working brains. To me, a "fate worse than death" includes still being "alive" after my brain is catastrophically broken. I just hope that my hair is used after I die. I take very good care of my hair, and it could make a part of a lovely wig for someone who needs hair to help them function in life. 👧🏻🥰🤷🏻‍♀️ I'm selfishly keeping it while I'm alive, though.

[@theempathicsupernova6865]

Head on car accident gave me a subdural hematoma, and I spent 3 days in a coma in 1988. I'm supposed to be dead, then I was supposed to be a vegetable, and when that did not happen, I was supposed to always need assistance. If my accident had happened today? I am horrified at the possible outcome. Just because something is legal does not make it morally correct. How many people have been murdered - call it what it is - for their organs?!?! Is this what "free" countries do to their citizens??? We all have a date to explain our motives and actions with The Most High, and we will be rewarded accordingly. Best believe it.

[@bob-hy1vk]

The Empathic Supernova, I am so happy you recovered. At the time of your injury did you have an operation for the subdural hematoma and was your head swollen?

[@Whiskey_Tango_Foxtrot_]

In the United States it's such a noble decision that the family of the donor are the only ones who don't get a dime of the proceeds from extremely lucrative deals between hospitals and insurance companies. Quite frankly, with respect to the entire organ donor process hospitals are merely just like auto salvage yards wherein they strip donated vehicles and sell the parts for profit! Its astonishing that the majority of patients and even medical staff don't understand that hospitals are businesses. The last I want to imagine is me laying in a hospital bed unable to move or communicate with millions of dollars inside me! The day I agree to be an organ donor is the day my surviving family is guaranteed a cut of the proceeds!!!

[@brandymcnamee7880]

*"A donor should be dead before you start removing his/her organs."* ... ಠ_ಠ

[@Anita-k]

Bran Dee Lol! If a single organ donator would be dead he won't be an organ donator! They can't just take organs from corpses, otherwise they could take them out of their own hospitals PATHOLOGY. (Are you people really that blind and trusting?)

[@LVThN_von_Ach]

@@Anita-k So many people don't know that.

[@Anita-k]

@@LVThN_von_Ach Yes and that's extremely frightening to me! (Sorry I just got your reply).

[@nickyb7266]

The organs are only good for so long!

[@Anita-k]

@@nickyb7266 Well, we know that! Most people prefer to not die in huge pain though. & Hospitals including their doctors are also known for mis-diagnosing unfortunately. Germany, which has stricter laws than other countries for the "brain dead diagnosis" and organ harvesting, still has 30% of the donors mis-diagnosed as "brain dead"; that's why an attempt to change their laws to an "opt out" country, failed recently. Likely, bc similar to the US, there's no law for a granted anaesthesia before harvesting. Nobody wants to be cut open alive... Only Switzerland has granted anaesthesia, certainly the main reason, why they've not so much problems to find people willing to donate their organs after brain death.

[@piggysister01]

This has always worried me. I signed up for organ donation against my instincts and I’m probably going to regretfully revoke permission. I don’t want to risk being seen just as an “organ-provider” if something happens to me.

[@Realityof76]

I had my thyroidectomy at the Cleveland clinic. Thank God I came out of that place alive! I have been trying to have my name removed off the donor list for almost 2 yrs now with no success. Don’t signup because it’s next to impossible to be removed! I have tried. I even emailed them with no response.

[@fredinatub]

When i was on life support my family got told i wasnt going to make it and even if i did i would be a cabbage total brain damage BUT i pulled through and i write this now to tell you that 8 days after my family got told that i signed myself out of hospital and have no brain damage and i made a full recovery.

[@c.a.greene8395]

The cost of keeping someone on all those machines and in tramma care can be over $200,000 a day. Most in canada can not afford to keep loved ones in this kind of care, hospitals know this... So keeping your loved one in this expensive care will cost the hospital money ( because you can't pay doesn't mean the staff won't get paid, costing hospitals money) if you donate your loved one the hospital WILL make $$$ from your donation. A human body is worth over 2 million dollars, they use everything, nothing is wasted. These organs are for sale, if they are a match to twenty people, then whoever can pay the surgeon is the one who gets the organs. Half the money goes to the hospital that receives the donation, the other half to the surgeons that did the extractions ( or the company that they work for) We should use hardcore criminals as living organ donors instead of keeping them alive in cages like pets. This way they can make amends with their crimes and we tax payers no longer have to pay their way for the extent of their life

[@katherinehutton9870]

c.a. Greene. Canada has national health insurance. Just like the UK Australia and most western countries. They would not have to pay out of pocket.

[@c.a.greene8395]

@@katherinehutton9870 health care in canada is only free if you do not need it! Yes most surgeries and normal procedures are covered, yet if you do not pay cash for your services ( everyone who works pays a premium for health care, only the poor and elderly receive free services) than you will die waiting on a 18 month to 3 year waiting list. If you need to be put on life support, do not expect to remain in that level of care ( up to and exceeding $250,000 a week) IF you can't afford to pay for it. The hospital can not and will not allow you to remain in the ICU forever. Instead they will go out of their way to convince you that turning the machines off is in your loved ones best interest. My grandma was in a coma for over six months on life support, it cost my family $$$ it was far from free! Healthcare in canada is a joke! I pay cash each month to attend a private clinic so i get much better care than welfare services would ever provide

[@c_farther5208]

sure? It's impossible to judge ourselves.

[@saltpepperketchup7082]

@@c.a.greene8395 Thank you for the info. I'm in U.S., and wondered how well your system worked.

[@cymbolichuman433]

Some people just don't die easily, and no telling what is going on in people's minds.

[@mksabourinable]

Within seconds? Buddy the brain can survive up to 6min after the heart stops.

[@butterflylady8875]

Kye Talks that’s what I commented, I had a transplant and she flatlined in five minutes and then they waited 15 minutes after that before starting organ retrieval, that was in London Ontario Canada… This was early 2011

[@merncat3384]

Yeah they are full of sh*t. I don't know if people in the medical industry are misinformed and taught incorrectly or if they don't want the general public to be aware of the truth but it's absolutely ridiculous the things that they say are not possible.

[@rcamediabox4374]

cant get rescue breaths because of covid.. ambulance takes 80 minutes getting there.. Dave was brain dead after the first 8 minutes. people being told to pump but no breaths Dave deserved better. His brain was dead before they air lifted him, Dave deserved better.

[@shawnnewell4541]

My mother's brain lasted 20 minutes after her heart stopped. In Washington state you have to have no brain activity to be declared dead. We know this because we found out the first call from the hospital was when my mom's heart stopped and the second call came 20 minutes later when her brain had stopped. This was in 1972. Organ transplants weren't done.

[@LiliAquinas]

@@shawnnewell4541 I'm sorry for your loss. However, transplants were being used in the early 70s. They usually failed fairly quickly, though. unos.org/transplant/history/#:~:text=In%201954%2C%20the%20kidney%20was,were%20begun%20in%20the%201980s.

[@NickanM]

I never thought vampires were real. Organ vampires.

[@cliffordmckeachnie6931]

NickandM yikes..lol

[@mmason9836]

I call them vultures.

[@Handleyman]

Anywhere you find money, there will be issues.

[@marknieuwejaar1075]

Red cross sells 90% of blood donations to companies that sell blood to companies that require blood to Manufacturer their drugs...

[@thisismedgr]

There's a group lobbying for public support for presumed consent legislation in my province, even though the government already voted the proposal down. I don't have a problem with a person deciding to become an organ donor, if they wish to volunteer in such a manner it is their decision and I can only support them. Unfortunately, there's an element to the organ donation movement that wants the decision to be made for you, forcing you have to opt out of being an organ donor. The argument for this position is that people are too busy or simply forget to register to be an organ donor so just make everybody one by default and everything will work out fine. The corollary to that argument is that if a person does not think to opt out of organ donation or even realize that they have to do so, their bodies and thus their lives can be annexed by the hospital when the person is at their weakest and most vulnerable. Organ donor advocates have succeeded in reducing the standards for declaring death already, now they just want the state to have dominion of life and death over you... This urge to be so generous with the lives of strangers to save the lives of other strangers that one would consent to ushering the departure of a human being out of the living world is stunningly arrogant and disturbing. I have a card in my wallet for organ donation. On it, in large letters, I have written DO NOT CONSENT and I did this years ago. The avarice and zealousness of the organ donation lobbyists was already scary enough for me, even before I saw this or other programs on the subject, and these organ vampires (sorry, that's just how I've come to regard these people) are not satiated yet. If you wish to volunteer, do so. If one does not wish to then do not intrude into their right to exercise control over their own bodies and even their very existence... It just isn't your business to meddle in the deeply personal affairs of others.

[@inkyguy]

Your organs are mouldering and stinking in the grave while someone else has died so you can have “the right” to let them rot along with the rest of you. That makes no sense.

[@lenitaa7938]

@coffee addict It's a blind trust and faith in doctors! When only one side is given, it's called a Propaganda! It can be well-meaning! But, definitely, not 'Informed Consent'! When we have any surgery we are told pros and cons.. Yet, not on this important issue!

[@SYMPHONICNIGHTP2]

the criteria for false braind eath and false cardiac death really needs to be way stricter!

[@altheatrimmingham4962]

I am a Registered Nurse and I am not an organ donor, its a decision I made and its my right .

[@sararummelTx]

Is there a secret that maybe need to share with us that they do something bad or something wrong? I am a donor and if they are not doing what I think they should be doing my organs maybe you can tell me. This is not an insult for being rude this is a serious question for me. Plus I'm a Christian I've always wondered are we supposed to be doing this

[@stephanieaskew771]

@@sararummelTx maybe reference the bible. I may be wrong but I think I remember something about death and all your parts should go with you. Its been so very long I can't even start to guess where I read that but it impacted me enough that I want to be buried with my whole body.

[@christaluongo8919]

I’m a respiratory therapist, and I took myself off the list! I won’t let them take my families organs or anyone that I love either.

[@davidc3839]

It is your right but the kicker is you would want an organ transplant if needed. That is the dichotomy.

[@gloriannepapolis6525]

u r a strange nurse, of all people u should know that organ donation saves lives, u want to get buried with your organs? what if it is a love one that needs an organ, too bad I guess, let them die because u want to get buried with your precious organs

[@sheilariley5179]

I will never donate! A family member donated and the hospital sent his family a bill for removing the organs. Why cant the person getting the organs pay for it? That turned me against donating and this show has solidified it.

[@undyne9667]

Sheila Riley that's terrible I'm so sorry for your loss. How disgusting they sent a bill. What a world we live in. Shameful.

[@inkyguy]

Just because one hospital made a mistake or acted unethically doesn’t mean you should sentence others to death because of it. So many people pointlessly die every day from lack of available organs.

[@ivylayne1649]

inkyguy Sentence others to death?! Because they don’t want to donate? No one has a right to anyone’s organs. NOBODY. All vital organ donors are living. This happened to my cousin. They are not dead, but brain injured. Only paralyzing drugs are given during organ harvesting to keep the donor from moving while their BP and heart rate increases because they feel every cut and slice into their body. Do your research before you act entitled to someone else’s body! The only people sentencing others to death is the doctors that do this!!

[@UCantHandleTheTruth1]

My family member, a nurse worked for a donor network. In the profit driven healthcare system of the USA, yes this happens where pronouncement of death has been premature to have access to organs. I quickly removed organ donor status on my drivers license!

[@jeanmichaels8686]

This is so scary. There is such a thin line in the organ donation process. I Understand the need but greater attention should be paid to when the soul is gone and the person is absolutely dead.

[@hightidesmrforever2themoon449]

It's all about the money, Period!

[@ihyishathomas8084]

Yup!!!

[@QueenxChico]

Literal paper

[@samanthalee72]

This is one of the most frightening things I have ever seen in my life !! I have always had my suspicions about donating organs? For these exact reasons ! I have thought about others who need an organ to be saved but now I am sorry to say I would never become an organ donor . I think once your time is up that’s it and I definitely think no one or any machine can say you’re brain dead !!

[@marycull3607]

Thank you for your great work. And thanks for sharing the videos. Always of the highest interest.

[@canvan8818]

The infant Gabrielle was transported from Canada to California as an "organ donor". The infant was given drip morphine en route. Since when is morphine given to a dead human? That was about 1987. We were on a slippery slope then. It continues. Big Business and the desperation of families to keep a loved one here. But at what cost? And whose?

[@janwarriner5037]

An issue to ponder. I'm an organ donor. Now I'm not so sure. This issue was raised a long time ago in the u.s. And we were assured nothing like this would happen. Now I'm contemplating going off the donor list after reading some stories from the u.s. Truly dead, why not? Almost dead or eager for me to die...NO.

[@Anita-k]

Jan Warriner No organ donator is truly really dead. Otherwise the doctors could take the organs out of their own hospitals PATHOLOGY! (Are you people really so blindly trusting?)

[@B-Real-Pshh]

Interesting to say the least! I wonder how many of these doctors are donors???

[@GoodnightJLH]

Barb R That question has been well studied. mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN0FT2N020140724

[@B.Crystal]

they are there to save lives, I would assume that the most of them are. I think it should just come with the job

[@scratchy1704]

Very very good question

[@oicub2]

Organ procurement, a contributing cause of death. That would have been a good title

[@davidc3839]

The definitive cause of death when the machine is turned off.

[@laraoneal7284]

Red Pill Think Tank I agree.

[@antwan37]

This issue raises hard enough questions in a state sponsored medicine country like Canada or most of Europe. I wonder what kind of situations will arise in a country with for-profit medicine like the USA. I imagine someone in the trauma unit in near death condition without a medical insurance, with valuable organs that can bring many thousands of dollars from transplanting them to someone with a good insurance, how do they manage this kind of situations? Are we gonna give our time and effort to save this penniless guy that isn't gonna pay us? Or maybe we should just let him fade, harvest a few organs and make a bunch of very profitable transplants? Hmmm...

[@elizabethhayward570]

How true they would probably make sure he died if you have money you can buy anything even life.

[@happybtcazour]

The answer is obvious

[@GEC416]

there is no point taking the organ's for someone else to live when the donor can themselves live....

[@denisemartinez6456]

You figure just for the liver is half a million dollars. Add the numbers and money is what donation is all about. Awful really I've seen so many miracle's and folks who've recovered. It's murder for money. They rush but giving time for them to recover and heal.

[@JenLovesBenz]

@@denisemartinez6456 doctors in Canada don't make money like in the states.

[@lizmacrae4970]

It’s all about money …and if doctors in another country don’t make as much as In the USA …all the more reason to steal your organs for a nice little bonus…

[@kumba821]

I am an organ donor but I sure hope I'm dead like D.E.A.D when they take my organs... I don't want any chance of my survival at all. This make me a little uneasy about being a donor.. I'm not sure...

[@sparx180]

kumba821 Made me nervous also because I know there are some that do not have your best interests at heart. I wish I had never submitted my donor card and I work in that field.

[@spartypants4872]

TheKumba me too. I actually thought people died before they donate. Eeek I dunno now lol

[@bikinggal1]

you might be only a little bit dead

[@lornagodbylg]

Unfortunately doctors become very clinical - they have to to survive the pain they see everyday. The team's have to communicate & inevitably they evolve a relationship - so know when a colleague is desperate for an organ for a patient they really want to help. Unfortunately, 1 death can save many lives - it's not an evil person who sacrificed your mum, dad, uncle, brother etc, it's someone who started with good intentions. BUT the conflict of interest is there, I would NEVER donate mine or my loved one's organs (not until I KNEW (1/2yrs after being on life support) that there was no chance. Love & blessings to the victims xxx

[@christinec2718]

That’s why I’m not an organ donor

[@jasminejeanine2239]

When I was hospitalized at one of the US's top hospitals they kept trying to give me heparin even though my issue was lack of motor control or the inability to relax thus NO issues with being immobile. I refused EVERY day but they still brought it every day.

[@marknieuwejaar1075]

Crazy... I was dead no heart beat for eleven minutes...woke up a day later.

[@Patricia-un6kv]

*If anyone is inclined to watch a real horror video, then watch this one!! * What horrifies me most about this documentary is the fact that I've been an organ donor for some years, and have never had any fears about death, but I'm now seriously questioning whether to remain being a donor. .. :-((

[@ivylayne1649]

My beautiful cousin was pronounced brain dead in 2014. She was 18 years old, hadn’t even graduated high school yet and was getting ready for her upcoming prom in the days prior. Our family was told there was no hope for her recovery in less than 24 hours of her admission to the hospital, a world renowned hospital in the U.S. They proceeded to manipulate my uncle into consenting to donate her organs. My cousin had never consented, she didn’t even have her drivers license yet. In the hospital bed on the ventilator, she looked alive and sleeping. Warm, pink skin. Heart beating, and chest rising and falling with respirations. The only tests they do to confirm brain death consist of shining a light in the eyes, poking the person, and shooting cold water in the ear to look for response. They also do an apnea test which removes the ventilator for 10 minutes while carbon dioxide rises to “see if they’ll try to take a breath”. This test actually suffocates the person and causes the brain to swell which injures their brain even more. They are not required to do any sophisticated testing such as EEG’s and other tests for brain activity. Brain death is a lie. It was made up for the procurement of organs and $$$$ in the hospitals, doctors, and OPO’s pockets. Vital organs are taken from LIVING donors. A “brain dead” organ donor is worth MILLIONS. Most of them could potentially recover if given a chance, there’s been many cases of this. Brain injuries require time and patience to heal. During organ harvesting, paralyzing drugs are given to the donor so they cannot move while they’re blood pressure and heart rate goes through the roof because they can feel themselves being dissected and gutted alive. The doctors write this off as, “spinal reflexes”, which they shouldn’t have if truly “brain dead”. The doctors are not required to give any anesthesia or anything for pain. This is a sadistic human sacrifice for the purpose of greed. If you don’t believe me, look a little further into this. For organ recipients, they’re required to be on anti-rejection drugs that suppress the immune system from attacking the organ which the body knows is foreign and unnatural, for the rest of their lives. Their new organ only lasts a few years anyway until they need a new one and more blood must be shed so they can continue living. This is the most disgraceful, unethical, and evil practice that happens right under all of our noses and my cousin was murdered. I will spend the rest of my life speaking the TRUTH on this subject so my cousin and so many others get justice for cutting their life short and not giving them a chance to heal.

[@MegaSmk]

Controverse subject. We discuss is regularly in our family (because opinions may change over time). Some of us are in favour of shutting off life support early (as soon as it becomes evident that quality of life would be severely impaired). Others say "miracles happen" and would not want to be taken off life support.

[@kritrkaos]

Very smart to keep an ongoing dialog about it. More people should do this.

[@giordi2776]

I do believe in organ donation but there are some major concerns. Some questions ring through the mind; Do patients that are known organ donors receive less life-saving care? If so, at what point in someone's care does organ donation become the priority? What is the typical amount of time between when a person is brought into hospital for life-saving care, to medical staff seeking organ donation consent, to the collection of the person's organs? What safeguards are in place to prevent misuse of family/guardian-consent for organ donation? I believe in organ donation but struggle with the idea that there are staff prospecting the hospital for potential organs. Going to vulnerable families and asking them to make a huge decision for their loved one feels a tad messed up.

[@MsPhoebus]

I was told my boyfriend only had maybe two hours to live and he was brain dead. They didn’t remove the life-support we didn’t give them permission. He lived another 24 hours and they said the same thing and then proceeded to drill three holes in the back of his head. He remained in a coma for almost a month. And when he woke he was like a baby but he grew and he’s quite normal and is now 68 years old. That was in 1973. I was 17 years old and never lost hope and I believe his brain needed that time to rest and heal and had we taken the life-support off he would’ve been dead at the age of 19.

[@lidiaandalexmoura8354]

Bob McKeown is a FANTASTIC journalist, I just admire how he does his job so precise and excellent. Good job Bob keep up the great work!

[@jennifercordova7229]

From what I know about Canada, I would NOT want any medical care (much less an organ transplant) from this country.

[@chellynn7052]

Living in the Pittsburgh area and decently close to Cleveland this is very concerning to me! People swear by Cleveland clinic here and how great they are...hmmm

[@bamby5211]

I wonder out of the 1000 DCD transplants (@14:29 Dr.Sam) just how many of those patients had actually had all life saving efforts CPR/ Resuscitation being delivered in an attempt to save their life. I say this realizing that some have severe brain damage and that every case can vary as far as the outcome. @29:36 I disagree to an extent "when the heart stops beating the brain stops working" Eventually yes the brain will stop functioning provided that the patient cannot be revived but in some cases it can aid in a persons revival during CPR/Resuscitation efforts. The proof being my son that survived 5 x CPR/Resuscitation. Heart stopped. My kiddo is severely disabled mentally and physically had it not been for his brain to aid in keeping his body temperature way down he would have suffered more brain injury (Did not stop working when heart stopped and being resuscitated). He was in the hospital for almost 4 weeks following this incident with about 6 day's being on life support followed by C-Pap and eventually weaned off of that. It's been 4 months now and he is at home and has recovered.

[@angelawood2474]

WTF Cleveland Clinic?

[@MsNooneinparticular]

Right? They say "20 years ago" like it was forever ago. This is terrifying.

[@cloudnine585]

I do not understand the point of seeing the death of one person being "rushed" along, so that their organs can be snatched out of them and put into someone else who still may end up dieing. Why does the doners life seem to be less important than that of the recipient!

[@inkyguy]

No one is being “rushed along” toward death.

[@issafula]

money is the answer

[@steveh1199]

The wallet biopsy of the donator, or donor, in America, is sadly very significant in most areas of the US. Ten year paramedic, earned a million plus USD during my prime years in another industry, and at age 61, have given it all back to the bleeding of big pharmacy. I saw more people, in general, survive, and even some thrived, than what most attending physicians would predict, as far as mortality. Sadly, I saw some ER physicians who arrogantly stopped learning on the day they left their internships. Criteria one: severity of injury. Criteria two; age of victim. Criteria three; this is a split between skill of doctor and/or hospital. I hope I have a voice to stand up for myself, as my genetic screen is actually quite good, though not outstanding (my parents are age 80,83 and healthy although my mother and a sister have mild dementia). I want six weeks before anyone makes a decision about myself!

[@yanifree114]

Money. The Love of Money..the Root of all Evil.

[@kenlee1416]

Money and more money..

[@robertasliutas2903]

So happy for Shane. What a smart and handsome lad 🙏 My prayers for him

[@cathmorr]

I don't believe in stopping someones life to safe another. If my family member was on life support, I would never take them off. Some patients pull through and live full lives. My family are not organ donners because of the risk of them losing their lives for selfish reasons. We all want to live and not want to lose our lives to give organs to others.

[@inkyguy]

Organ donation can’t occur without the family’s permission. Even if you indicate you wanted to be an organ donor, if your next of kin denies permission then no organs are harvested. It still takes the permission of next of kin to remove organs after you die, even if you have declared yourself an organ donor.

[@ranstra12]

@@inkyguy not everywhere...

[@inkyguy]

Randy Lin, everywhere in the U.S., Canada, Britain and Europe.

[@indian2003]

I am not an organ donor and never will be. Norway sells organs that are not used in the country. Why should they sell organs that people donate? How do they calculate the price of an organ? Why is the money spent on Christmas dinners for the employees of the hospital and not given to the donors family?

[@kristiblack4789]

Way past time to be solely focused on why so many world wide are in need of new organs in the first place! Toxic water, food, air, pesticides, chemicals pharmaceuticals, lifestyles, etc are literally destroying Humanity and creating these corrupt yet profitable industry's for the super sick, sadistic and vulgarly wealthy! Ultimately it ALL boils down to Personal Property Theft! BTW: My uncle had a very minor yet unfortunate motorcycle accident in Texas that left him critically brain injured/damaged, in a coma and on life support. Doctors said he had zero brain activity and would surely die when and/or if taken off life support. And my family seemingly accepted that and prepared for his death. Yet once he was taken off life support, he did regain brain activity and came out of his coma!? He's alive today but with some brain damage and has the mental capacity of a teenager and some physical disabilities. He was never able to work again as a engineer in the Oil Industry and my aunt takes care of, and relates to him has if he is still a teenager. But they are super happy and he is as kind and sweet as he ever was!

[@davidcopperfield-notthemag397]

I am sure it has happened where organ surgeons have killed an alive aware person taking their organs out. Do they give them pain killers before cutting them open? Remember when people used to be buried with a bell to the surface tied around the buried persons hand because sometimes they weren't dead and they would ring the bell and get dug back up. People have woke up in the morgue refrigerator or at their funeral. Were they dead? No.

[@kritrkaos]

As far as I know they do still use anesthetics when they remove the organs in brain death.

[@stephaniefreeamericancitiz1489]

We know so much more about Locked-in-Syndrome after head injury or stroke now & this becomes a huge sticking point in this debate. From 19 years in ICU's, pts on respirators, I have personally seen dozens of pts who would otherwise likely be declared dead when they 1st arrived @ a hospital, make amazing, if not full recoveries. The rehabilitation process is lengthy, but the life of that person is preserved, often with good quality of life. But of course, not all end up this way, and these standards have had to be adjusted as we've learned more about brain plasticity, recovery & new Neuro-circuits able to be formed despite significant brain damage.

[@carolyndennis4947]

I have been in a coma and thank God for my sister she had the sense to let me fight this is insanity

[@bluegypsydoll]

I have to comment. My mom came back from a diagnosis of brain dead through pneumonia and an allergic reaction to succinylcholine. .. She BARELY squeezed our hand (which docs said it was reactionary only but we said wait another day) at the Very moment they going to take her off support. She has made basically a full recovery 4 yrs later and even is able to walk after her feet stopped working. I massaged her hands every day i should have done her feet more. I also kept ice packs on her head and read to her and played music. She remembers it all but wasnt able to reach out. It blows our mind. She was in the hospital for almost 4 months. They cut her hair too. Disrespectful if you ask me. I took it to the board. Nothing happened. Still sooo grateful.

[@jenhimes4401]

I live in colorado close to denver, I'm changing my drivers license to not donate tomorrow!! Yikes

[@mickeyodom9122]

This is why I’m not an organ donor

[@Misshughestrm]

cant donate a heart if it doesn't come out of the body when its still beating

[@rosieposie2161]

To that one transplant doctors who claimed families with dying children were always asking to donate their comatose child’s organs… Were they? Really??🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

[@indigenous31617]

That is why I am not a donor... I had a low grade waking experience during a surgery years ago. I don't ever be alive, aware and unable to move while being cut again.

[@bibbit08]

I'm a recovering addict and I smoke... good luck with that overzealous doctors

[@brandychewningcaldwell379]

I saw another anesthesiologist comment that anesthesia is administered even after brain death because some nerve responses are not operated by the brain but are direct nerve reactions (such as a reflex hammer on the knee). The purpose was to prevent any nerve reflex movement that could hamper the procedure or cause damage.

[@myoldvhstapes]

And I've read that paralytics are given, but not anaesthesia. I wish there was some unemotional, unbiased source of truth about this.

[@bornstndnupntalknbak]

When my brother committed suicide when he was 26 they asked my mom for his organs. She was so distraught at the time she said no. She wished she would have after she could think straight 😕. I do too, knowing a part of my brother could have helped someone else.

[@deborahstone9696]

Hey sweetie. My brother committed suicide in 1982 a month after his insurance was good to go. I'm sorry for your loss.we didn't find my brother in time to donate his organs .

[@madbahamut]

Years ago, I remember my dad telling me this and I rolled my eyes saying, "Doctors wouldn't do that." I was on the train of trying to get as many people as possible to donate their organs, I asked Dad to do it and he said no for that reason lol. Well, Dad. You're kind of right. I'm still going to donate.

[@rubytuesday5412]

~ Parents usually are right tho even at my age now I wouldn't tell my Mum that! I'm donating but will make changes.

[@cyrene7784]

Giving anesthesia is not a bad idea in any case. I would find it comforting to think that would happen to me, just in case. Better than the alternative.

[@helenclarke2960]

yah they used to think babies didnt feel pain too

[@angelagillett1033]

Here's the thing, when you receive a donation you still have to think about rejection. And yes it dose happen.

[@ohsuzeyq_]

This is an abomination! they might cause the death of someone that could be saved!

[@inkyguy]

Go to a nursing home and observe all of the people in vegetative states. There are tens of thousands and all because hospital personnel took heroic measures to save them. Obviously, no one was rushing to make organ donors out of them.

[@hightidesmrforever2themoon449]

Please look up these two KZbin channels: Life Guardian Foundation and Paul Byrne.

[@jusjay...4745]

Never a organ donor and never will be. So I wonder how are the underserved and underprivileged are treated.

[@user1name1here]

After watching this on how messed up the system is I am rethink my organization disicion. I had wrong thought that there was 1 standard.

[@jezebel-uh4qr]

You should never be a donor, if you're in a car wreck, they won't fight to save your life, at least at the hospital they won't.

[@inkyguy]

That is simply not true. If it were there would not be several people dying every day because they can’t get the organ they need. The pool of eligible people dying is more than enough to meet the need, but so few people are willing to donate that thousands die while on the dying/waiting list.

[@thedemonspawn2004]

So I would never give my organs, my kids organs, my wife’s organs to anyone other than a family member. I wouldn’t let the doctors mutilate the bodies so they can play hero.

[@lupitaarroyo]

I think we need to do a better job of informing people of what they are signing up for when they opt to be an organ donor. I totally believe in giving to another person & always opted to donate when I renewed my license (in the US) until I witnessed a love one being taken off of life support & rushed away by the medical team. I think most of us have this idea that when we die it’ll be like ok everything was done, nothing else to do now let’s take organs but unless you have along illness , if you die suddenly it’s a very chaotic process. The death I witnessed was of a 21 year old who committed suicide. He was on life support for a couple of days and when he was taken off and died was immediately rushed to have organs removed and it was super traumatic for the family especially his parents who couldn’t even beat their sons bedside for a final moment with him in peace. I think that’s the piece that most people don’t think about, the trauma of being taken from your grieving family especially if you’re young or the death is unexpected. I don’t know, I saw my father slowly die of brain cancer. When he passed away my mom brother and I had the opportunity to sit with him, hold his hand, and say goodbye just the 4 of us as a whole family for the last time, in his rooms in peace and calm. If he had been a donor he would’ve been rushed away for surgery and that would have been so painful, to not be with him right after he stopped breathing. Everyone has a choice that’s right for them. I’m no one to tell anyone what they should do. I just wanted to share my experience, I always think it’s best to have as much information as possible when making these big life decisions.

[@AE-ws7ob]

yikes, everyone stay clear of that last doctor lol. like they said, why need the anesthetic if the person is already dead? it's because they know they're not actually dead they're just tired of waiting for them to die. if there's a thought they might be in pain, then there's a thought they could be alive and at that point it's murder if they go on to harvest their organs. my grandfather was In a coma for three months after a serious heart attack, doctors said he had absolutely no brain activity and would never come back. absolutely hounded my grandma and made her feel awful about not wanting to let them take his organs right away. he woke up almost three months on the dot completely talking and functioning one day. he's not the same and I don't think I'd want to live if I was changed mentally like that, but it still goes to show that doctors aren't always right or just.

[@marshagraham9320]

They also need to keep the items organs viable, which can be aided with anesthesia