Dead Malls Season 6 Episode 9 - Galtier Plaza

[@jacksonburgess3867]

that’s a mall

[@CoolCatProductions-365]

No wiser words have ever been said before 😂

[@colleenoneil9153]

Thank you for posting this. This mall was in the 1991 movie “Drop Dead Fred” with Phoebe Cates. My sister and I were extras in the movie, so we spent several full work days there. It was a beautiful mall at the time, and I’m glad it’s being used for apartments!

[@HeartSleevesMusic]

Back in the 90s, my dad took me to Galtier Plaza many times to get lunch or see a movie. I could be totally wrong, but I swear there was a mini golf place on the 3rd floor at one point. Or at least something active? I remember I loved going up there with the tall windowed ceilings, neon lights, and so many plants EVERYWHERE. I remember eating at the food court several times. On the way in or out of the building, I remember a clothing store and a jewelry/accessories store. I feel like there was also a big fountain at one end? Multiple levels of nooks with tables and chairs or benches with great views. The first renovation I can recall was in the early 2000s, and the second floor was already pretty much converted into apartments or private offices. There were for sure no more plants! Most of the levels were either vacant or inaccessible to the public. The food court moved to street level and consisted of a Subway, a pizzeria, and maybe one or two others. If you continued down the hall into the Plaza proper, there was a more upscale sit-down restaurant. The street level of Galtier was already super empty as you saw it in your 2023 visit. The YMCA was open/accessible from the second floor. Now nothing is in there but 80s/90s nostalgia. It's pretty surreal to have watched these changes happen in real time since I was around 10 years old! Thank you for this video and the trip down memory lane ❤

[@TheDeadJester]

There was a Mini Golf place and I remember seeing Friday and Naked Gun 33 1/3rd in the theater lol We spent most days after school at the YMCA and just being kids through the skyway systemin the 90's lol

[@almond6520]

The fact that Episode 6:9 falls on 4/20 is LEGENDARY!!! Keep up the great work!!!

[@NorthCdogg22]

Hehehehehehe that’s actually perfect😭😭🔥

[@tyronrussell5237]

Hello Northcdogg22 I had commented in your video

[@namewithheld129]

I was kid when this opened and we went to see it. It just never took off. Looking back it was an overreach. There was a shopping center a few blocks away that had anchor stores and a big food court. Couldn’t compete. In my 20s I worked a few block from here and used the Y. The problem with downtown was everyone left after 4:00pm. It was always tough for St. Paul to get anything happening downtown. Minneapolis at least back in my day, people went out after work. Note: I haven’t been to St. Paul in 25 years - so no idea what’s happening today.

[@mallrun8105]

13:50 I worked in downtown STP in 2017-2018 and would walk through here quite a bit. Still a few services open on the second level. A colleague spoke highly of the mall during its heyday and she said there were some desirable stores. I believe claimed there was a Banana Republic there and other stores of that nature, but I’m speaking to a memory of a memory at this point!

[@Ricanson21]

In that case I swear I remember a Sam Goody over there but I was very young to remember

[@innercityprepper]

I used to go to movies here in the late 80s and early 90s. A forgotten gem! I also had friends that lived in the tower.

[@NorthCdogg22]

Looks like it was a pretty neat place back in the day! I wish I could’ve seen it then!

[@innercityprepper]

@@NorthCdogg22 It wasn't a great theater, per se... it twas the one you would go to if there weren't any tickets available at a better one :D

[@ther3dr00m]

I lived in one of the Galtier Apartment buildings from 2019-2021. They connect directly to this mall. If you take those golden elevators up to the very top floor of the mall, there is a small arcade with machines that still (sort of) work. They were all on free play when I lived there. Even a pinball machine. Not sure if they are still there in 2024.

[@amydaisy933]

Wow that place has really beautiful architecture! It would be really cool to live there. But the elevator was kinda scary...if you push a button to go up and it takes you down😬. Thanks for another great episode! 😊 Love the music, it was perfectly chosen.

[@NorthCdogg22]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@benb8407]

I agree beautiful architecture even know it doesn't look like a mall glad that it is office space and apartments now.

[@Ndsl710]

Great video. I'm too young to remember this mall when it was new, but I did eat at the food court a couple of times. I believe during the Cray years there was a preparatory school occupying part of the first floor. There are a lot of places like this in Downtown St. Paul, and even more in Downtown MPLS. Back in the '70s and '80s a lot of our downtowns were bulldozed and they built these malls meant to be interconnected by skyways. In the two cities you can walk for horus in this liminal dystopian maze of old '80s archietcure with old storefronts-turned office space and bland hallways. It can get depressing. Other buildings I would describe as failed malls in St. Paul are the World Trade Center (now Wells Fargo Place), Town Square, and Alliance Bank Center, but that dead mall aesthetic is everywhere in our seemingly endless skyway system. The same is true for Minneapolis, which has Gavidae Common, IDS Center's crystal court, Northstar Center, and Baker Center. The Skyway system is honestly a really cool place to explore and I sometimes go there on cold winter days and just walk around. Some areas can be a bit sketchy though, as you may imagine. PS - nobody has ever called it Cray Plaza. It is, always has been, and always will be Galtier Plaza.

[@bradye21playsIndieHorror]

That theater marquee sticking out looks so out if place in the giant white angular building. I assume it used to look better when all the other bells and whistles were all around it.

[@JoshYT1]

I still love that opening intro! It really sets the dying dream like atmosphere this place can provoke. I wonder if the neon on the preserved cinema sinage still works? I wonder when they last turned it on 👀 Amazing adventure though!

[@njt002]

I live right next to this building now. It's fun to just walk around the area. I do remember going there once as a kid.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Looks like they wanted to keep those dead mall enthusiasts from using their bathrooms. 🤣🤣🤣 Love the asthetics of this place. Would love to have seen the neon on. Oh well. Oooo, looking forward to more Illinois dead mall goodness. 😉

[@unitedunitedunited_]

Do you think you could do a video on Town Square Mall, also located in the Saint Paul skyway?

[@gwenj4475]

Excellent idea!!!!!

[@digijock223]

Thanks!

[@NorthCdogg22]

Thank you Jeff!!

[@seabee73]

Wow. That was a really nice looking mall. I love the neon clock. You always pick the best music to fit these malls.

[@VegasInsight]

New to your channel. Enjoyed your visit to Galtier. I assume somebody has told you we pronounce it gall-tier, two syllables. It happens, my buddy and I mispronounced Sepulveda Boulevard the entire time we were in Los Angeles years ago. I only learned it from hearing it discussed after our trip on TV somehow. I also watched your Southdale video last night. I'm sure somebody told you how to pronounce Edina. The old Moviephone service also mispronounced it, but in a different way than you did. All that nonsense aside, it was a blast seeing current Galtier Plaza. I grew up in the north suburbs, so I had very limited experience with downtown St. Paul most of my life. I would find my way to downtown Minneapolis far more often. Galtier is similar to the old City Center in downtown Minneapolis. They didn't look alike, but they were both three-level retail centers with all the trappings, and probably offices higher up at both. (Can't recall with certainty.) City Center is likewise vacated by retail, with perhaps one or two exceptions. There's still a restaurant at the street entrance to CC, and maybe a Fed Ex Office joint inside on the main level. But the second and third floors, once packed with retail shops and a food court, are now quiet, and probably converted to office use. Hard to tell, and it has been years since I entered CC. My very limited memories of Galtier: At some point in the early 90s there were a handful of local comedy clubs around the Twin Cities named after a local comedian. Scott Hanson's Comedy Club had a location in Galtier, I recall. Don't know why I remember the venue, but I went to a show at SHCC, and I'm quite certain it was at Galtier. In the late 90s I believe Galtier was where I went to a bar/nightclub that catered to the Hispanic crowd. I worked with a guy who also managed the venue on weekends, and I along with a handful of co-workers hung out there one night. I learned that night I was a gringo, and our group of 4-5 were the only 4-5 gringos at the location. It had a good crowd, and there probably weren't a lot of places catering to the Hispanic crowd at that point, so it wasn't surprising it was popular. In the early 90s I would occasionally find my way to downtown St. Paul, it was the closest epicenter to my western Wisconsin college. We would travel the skyway system between downtown retail hubs, and there were a few, all of which are now dead. Town Square was famous because it had an indoor park area and was home to our MN State Fair carousel for more than a decade. Somehow the carousel, a fixture of the state fair, was sold and was going to be removed from the fairgrounds, never to be reassembled. I think the antique horses of the carousel were being sold individually or something crazy like that. I was young and not tuned into local news, but I heard enough about it to know there was a local campaign to save our fair carousel, or something corny like that. It worked, as the carousel was somehow relocated to Town Square. Wikipedia tells me in 2000 it moved out to St. Paul's zoo, which I never go to, but has rides as well as animals, and it remains there to this day. The third place I remember well is the one with the name I can't remember. Google tells me it was Minnesota's World Trade Center, now Wells Fargo Place. At the street entry was Heartthrob Cafe. There's not a lot of great photo and video of this place that I can see, but a little. Essentially it was a 50s-themed restaurant. Workers rollerskated, menu had to have big milkshakes and burgers, I'm sure. It had a separate bar area that was 21+. We went there a few times as college students before we were 21. It was probably 30-40 minutes from our campus. Silly that we drove that long to go to a downtown St. Paul restaurant that appealed primarily to teenagers. We were dumb. Down the hall you reached the multi-level shopping. Somewhere I have a VHS tape that has interior shots of this mall. We were there on a weekend, October 1990, and it was super busy. 15 years ago or so I ventured downtown with one of my college buddies to look at it. All the retail was offices overlooking the central court of the development. Google images suggests it has a big glass dome over it. Online shopping has hurt malls, we all know that. Downtown shopping districts are more challenging than ever. We must have more homeless people these days. Sure, the homeless population is more visible, by design, it seems, but the problem only grows with each passing decade, visible or invisible, I believe. A downtown retail area is a hard sell today because of those things. People go to malls and retail less, overall, and groups that may congregate downtown don't make it appealing to visitors who live downtown. Had Galtier Plaza been a bigger success, had it lasted longer as a dining and retail destination, it would still be empty today. I'm a bit surprised that all these retail sectors, as well as a few comparable spaces in Minneapolis, died before Amazon and the internet sucked the life out of malls. Online shopping wasn't a thing, for the most part, in 2000. You'd think they'd have been thriving around 2000 instead of near death. Thanks for this trip down memory lane. I look forward to checking out a few more of your videos in the weeks to come. It has been years since I pounded the downtown St. Paul pavement. I wouldn't be able to tell you where the big Macy's use to be in St. Paul, or remember a lot of geographic spots. So much has changed, but I could still find my way inside Galtier, and maybe Town Square and the World Trade Center's mall area. I feel like I need to see them one more time.

[@VegasInsight]

by the way, you think it would be cool to have an apartment that accesses the former mall space. i think it would be sad to walk out of an office or apartment and into an elevator that looks down upon a failed downtown mall development. it would sadden me to see it so empty and quiet every day.

[@LindaMay38]

Used to live in an apartment across the street when Galtier opened; never really took off, but was kinda cool to have a place like that right next door! Shopping in downtown St Paul was dying even then and is long gone

[@coryjohnson8318]

I remember going to a pool hall on the upper floors in the early 90s

[@colinray8843]

Wow incredible scale and style it makes me want a time machine to see day one in person. Excellently covered CDogg 👏

[@NorthCdogg22]

Thank you!

[@Transform108]

What is the track at 14:30 - it is perfect for this space! I did not even know there was a mall previously in this space. Thanks for the review.

[@NorthCdogg22]

Thanks for the watching! The song at that timestamp is called Numbers by Temporex, good song!

[@Transform108]

@@NorthCdogg22 ahaaa you must have slowed it down. Love it!

[@DanHendricks]

i've worked in dt stp since 2005 and walk through this regularly, and even in 2005 it was dying - covid kind of was the final nail in the coffin -- its mostly just a skyway at this point with apartments but the 2nd story had some stuff for a while! i was never there during the short heyday but the 2nd floor had a bank and a convenience store in the 2010s, and the food court was on the first floor by the entrance - then cray computer moved in in the early 2010's and left shortly after. the food court hung on for a litlte while after that and then was totally gone around covid, then they walled it off like you saw. the apartment conversions in 2022 seemed to have stopped in the last year or two and nothing has happened there recently other than the YMCA coming back as a new entity recently. oh, also, the ceiling leaks constantly. whenever there's a big rain there's trash cans out catching drips.

[@NMM57]

I work downtown as well and walk through there frequently. It's basically just apartments and a pass through that connects the skyways. And yes, that ceiling leaks horribly!

[@musiclabmn]

Last time I was in here a year or so ago water was pouring from the glass ceiling when it was raining

[@colleenoneil9153]

😮 Oh that’s very sad 😢

[@TheCubeTube]

Awesome video North! I bet it was awesome back during whatever you would consider to be its “heyday.” Such a shame it never took off as a mall…

[@DrTopGun]

An excellent documentary, man, of this forgotten jem of the 80s. Perhaps, this building will be great for a reboot of the firm with an 80s vibe. Maybe? Anyways, keep it up, man, good job. 😁🖖🤜🤛👍

[@noahvoris3637]

Great video as always North! You bring such immersive storytelling and much needed attention to these places! Next mall: Village Square Mall in Effingham?

[@NorthCdogg22]

Yes! You got it! And thank you so much!

[@GonzalezSix67]

That mall looks really cool, I like the architecture!

[@djk2884]

Cdogg - thanks for the great video - St Paul Guy here - I wish I could answer questions you had here I could not. Been in the building apartments but never shopped in the mall....

[@NorthCdogg22]

Thanks for the watching!

[@sergestorms8044]

dang perfect timing bud

[@flippopotamuss]

I lived in the high rise above this for a few years. Great view of the train yard and river. Got In a bit of trouble for peeing off of the open balcony

[@minnesotasmooth]

This place was amazing during the Holidays....

[@gwenj4475]

Wish I could have seen it!

[@penelopejoann]

Wow! That marquee is fabulous! So is the entry fountain with those looming elevators skyrocketing upwards! I am sad about the carpeting. Looks like someone barfed up a boring arcade! Seriously, red, black, and grey?! I’m wondering how it smelled in there? Were there any mall smells lingering at all?

[@NorthCdogg22]

It really is a fabulous mall! Very *vertical*! I’ll say there isn’t really much of a mall smell left at all sadly, just a lot of sawdust, glue, and paint

[@GTI_Man]

We have to see a video on Gaviidae now!

[@innercityprepper]

Thats what i guessed this episode would be!

[@moonchild1772]

Yes.

[@cen2zero]

I know of a mall a lot like this, downtown mall with lots of colorful tiles and neon now no real stores remain. Surprisingly the escalators still work and they have a food court. Also, it’s been announced that the dilard’s at chesterfield mall is reopening as soon as 2026.

[@neilabernath5862]

In a previous comment stated that galtier plaza was not economically viable from day one. I'm a real estate investor in St Paul. About 20 years ago tried to buy galtier plaza for 10 cents on the dollar. Some one else offered slightly more. At the time glad I didn't get it. But now in 2024 down town St Paul has really turned around. Now really good investment.

[@KB0101]

What a visually interesting building. The sky lights are gorgeous. 🤔 Hmm, an apartment inside of a dead mall. Sounds like a home MADE for you. 😄

[@NorthCdogg22]

It would be a neat place to live!! 😅😅

[@mateus02681]

Here in Brazil some dead malls have a college, a dmv unit and/or a post-office inside.

[@eiguajardo]

such a beautiful building, but a strange design for a mall, it gives more like Hotel vibes, which makes perfect now is used for apartments, they should put some convenient stores in the first floor, it would make a perfect indoor city living.

[@craft7185]

A failed downtown luxury mall that opened in fall 1985, kept open by skywalks, and located in a city in the midwest? Sounds familiar…

[@moonchild1772]

I can only think of MPLS.

[@craft7185]

@@moonchild1772 There was one here in Downtown Des Moines. Never renovated, sat abandoned but open because of the skywalks for a few years. They tore it down last year. It was called the Kaleidoscope at the Hub

[@Ndsl710]

That basically describes the entirety of Downtown St. Paul and Minneapolis.

[@kanatapaw]

Thats one stunning building.

[@missybaker1608]

WOW! GALTIER LUXURY MALL! BLOOMINGTON, MN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MALL IVE EVER SEEN . GLAD MOVIE THEATER EXTERIOR STILL THERE.

[@mollyheffernen]

Great video!

[@NorthCdogg22]

Thank you!

[@Jay-od8zf]

I lived across the street in the early 2000’s. It’s sad how downtowns are empty.

[@MrEdKester]

Peace for All I spent many years walking the Habitrails of my hometown, even when Galtier Plaza opened it was still dying

[@neilabernath5862]

Galtier plaza failed from day one. Was a bad idea from the beginning. Lots of city and state money went into it. Was never based on economic reality. But it is a beautiful building..

[@mlovmo]

Why did they put locks on the bathroom? TO KEEP THE RIFF RAFF OUT OF THE AREA. You ever see pics of Kensington Ave in Philly? Yeah, well, we had /(have?) scenes like that in the skyways here. What poor planning for a mall did for business prospects, the riff raff kills off anybody with money to spend or kids wanting to be there.

[@chrissasandlin8344]

That atrium is gorgeous, even empty. However, it makes me wonder how all that emptiness is sustainable.

[@innercityprepper]

Oddly even though i went to this mall in the 80s i cant recall a single store, only the theater.

[@julianbrock6198]

Very impressive interior 👌

[@NorthCdogg22]

It really is!

[@chrisexplores1]

Water Tower Place?

[@justimagine2403]

River Place... also.

[@QuintusAntonious]

So did you ever find a bathroom? You can't start a story like that and not finish it.

[@NorthCdogg22]

I never did😖

[@solarpoweredtree]

Is "SkyWalk System" what St. Paul calls The Skyway?

[@WhittyPics]

What a massive waste

[@bertonspat129]

I need that opening song, skimming through the vaporjazz link couldn’t find it, ya sure it’s on there, or possibly know what it’s called?

[@NorthCdogg22]

Here’s the link to the playlist! It’s called Peephole in the Sky kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWHalp2Aq56Kbbssi=cyLa9RgTxAtTSrfm

[@bertonspat129]

@@NorthCdogg22 awesome thanks

[@NWIndianaElevators]

Uploaded S6 E9 on 4/20- nice!

[@NorthCdogg22]

Yessir!!😅😅🔥

[@QuartiyoPasdevHerjiKreuz]

Louis joilte mall or south towne mall?

[@justinankeney6344]

Almost have a convention center vibe

[@JPalermo]

I like wandering they're at night, lights are off

[@pickerbiz]

They had several good lunch restaurants the main one that I love was a Chinese takeout. They made the best Texas fried rice.

[@lucidsoups]

Sorry if this is a stupid question. Is this just always open and accessible to the public? I'd like to make a visit

[@NorthCdogg22]

I do believe it is! Should be open always or for the most part open, as it’s connected on the ground floor level and through the skywalks

[@lucidsoups]

@@NorthCdogg22 Thank you very much! About to be living right above it, figure I might as well check it out if its open and accessible.

[@dmg1mn]

Spent a lot of time here.

[@Steve.Cutler]

Many people lost a fortune with this place. Doomed from the start.

[@Peajay007]

wow. a mall going through an identity crisis.

[@bigcahuna42366]

This mall looks more like a downtown convention center

[@roselyncampisi822]

It is kinda creepy to me.

[@nole8923]

I suspect a lot of mall developers were type A personalities. They think they have a great idea and just go with it without the proper analysis of the demographics in the area. I’ve been to the Minneapolis and St. Paul area. It’s not New York City or Los Angeles with lots of rich people to shop at an expensive high fashion downtown mall. It should have been designed for multi purpose use. Part apartment complex, part offices, and part shopping mall with a food court with plenty of free parking(of course apartment dwellers would have reserved parking). And make sure you’ve got enough interested future tenants before you go spending all that money. This mall is a beautiful building where businesses like law firms would have loved to set up shop in. It could have worked out if planned properly but you’ve got to do your research first. I’m an I.T. developer. I would have loved to come to work in this building assuming the commute wasn’t too horrible. To make the entire building a shopping mall was not well conceived given its location and demographics. Most of the people in the surrounding suburbs are just simple middle income people. It’s not like Los Angeles where you’ve got a lot of rich people. But if the building was made to be multipurpose with apartments and businesses the shopping areas would have guaranteed foot traffic. A beautiful building like this shouldn’t go to waste. But, the downtown St. Paul area may be economically suffering for all I know. Most downtowns in the USA are suffering because of crime and the cost of housing. These issues can be resolved but landlords need to make the lease and rental fees are attractive and city officials need to crack down on crime and city planners need to make sure there’s plenty of free parking. Pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered. This is what happens when parking, rental, and lease fees are too high.

[@benb8407]

Loved that neon clock that movie theater looks out of place and it also doesn't look like a mall.

[@BitcoinCashTV]

What a waste of time, money, & energy. All that money (100+ million dollars) could have been used on so many other useful things.

[@Buickcentury765]

Mall

[@nole8923]

I understand why artists and music companies need copyright laws, but I wish they would make an exception for these dead mall KZbinrs. They wouldn’t be losing any money because dead mall KZbinrs are too poe to pay them the expensive permission fees anyway. Or maybe just charge them like $15 or something per song.

[@NorthCdogg22]

I sure wish that’s how easy it all was!

[@nole8923]

@@NorthCdogg22Me too.

[@jacksonburgess3867]

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