Dead or Alive, Ninja Gaiden, Nioh & Fatal Frame Shared Universe? | A Line Through Time

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[@ulysses498]

The breast bandage of censorship is my greatest enemy in Nioh 2, even nyo isn’t immune to it

[@Ergeniz]

Probably nude mods for Nioh anyways.

[@gonzalocachi4329]

The Nyotengu in Nioh 2 Is the mother of nyotengu of DOA 5. Famitsu reveal that. Also the dlc of NIOH 2 happen in the year 770 and nyotengu only have 1018 years old, she wasn't even born in that time.

[@drpac9164]

I just got back to the States and started Nioh 2 finally. This game is the best thing Team Ninja made in a long time. I cant wait to fight Nyo

[@frogoat]

I don't know how I missed this on it's release but I'm so pleased to see more Line Through Time content, especially Dead or Alive stuff. Awesome!

[@lurven141]

I'm a big fan of the franchises, especially the NG and DOA characters. This video was spot-on and as a viewer I can really tell you are a fan yourself and not just some random talking youtuber that thinks he knows everything! I played all DOA games, all NG games, Warrior all-stars game, all DOAX games, including DOAXVV but haven't played Nioh yet, so it's on my next to-do list! 5:13 I love that picture!

[@GinraiPrime666]

Both Nioh's 1 and 2 are awesome, definitely give them a shot if you're a fan of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive!

[@aezmarvettan9294]

I think that you put more effort into making this video than Koei Tecmo did for the story and continuity of their "universe"

[@alastor-yw7og]

Looks like another shared universe rabbit-hole and personally i'll just stick with the fatal frame being part the nioh, ninja gaiden, and doa universe because trying to wrap around the canonocity of the games as a single one timeline shared universe can be a huge headache for me so I'll stick with that idea to save myself from it

[@emilyalucard]

I was literally just thinking yesterday hey it'd be cool if snake made another line through Time video and here we are today/happy New year 4thsnake

[@gregwilliams4926]

5:11 ...They got rid of my girl Tina, and they added an under aged Oni...What the fuck.

[@reggielacey2235]

Good

[@songoku9348]

Happy new year 4th Snake.

[@danielcook7975]

yeah the whole timeline of these series are so confusing but the arcade games take place in 1999 and 2000, the modern NG Games Sigma and Sigma 2 are during 2002 and 2003, the nes games are 2003-2004, Dead or alive to dead or alive 4 likely 2004-2005 as well in this timeline theory, making Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge in 2006 and Dead or Alive 5 & 6 in 2007. however this is from youtube channel and their theory, Tecmo Koei and Team Ninja never really explain what year the NG and DOA games take place, Nioh is easier to understand timeline but even then it's confusing but considering it's a fictional take on historical events liberties were taken

[@eastreddragon]

I mean honestly, I think the problem here is that Tecmo doesn't exactly care about its canon.

[@richardbrown7258]

Yeah i mean after doa4, 5&6 felt like they were continuing a story that was already finished.

[@reggielacey2235]

They do so f off

[@DevilRaptorB]

honestly does any fighting game developer care about canon? MK11 is the biggest offender there with what they did with Sindel

[@eastreddragon]

@@reggielacey2235 Hahaha, you think they care about their canon? Did you actually watch the video?

[@AstragaiosCaelum]

@@richardbrown7258even in FF5, they decide to retcon Miku's hopeful conclusion (albeit offscreen) in FF3 into something much worse. It should be noted that during the interview with Producer Kikuchi and Director Shibata in FF3 official guidebook, Shibata confirms that the first three works' protagonists met their resolutions and the series is concluded for now, so they focused on standalone stories. I know Nintendo ordered Shibata to add Miku in FF5, but I wish Shibata didn't pull the egregious retcons and the "Corpse Party" move (kill or put the previous works' protagonists near the death's door, and then introduce the substitutes that are replacements of said (soon-to-be) dead protagonists).

[@angellara7040]

I thought nioh 2 mentioned that raiko is mistaken by history for her brother which is to hand wave the irl versions death

[@The4thSnake]

Possibly.

[@elpiquesNM]

I want Ryu Hayabusa go thru Minakami village and cut every ghost.

[@reggielacey2235]

Why?

[@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut7533]

@@reggielacey2235 cause those ghost dare to touch the work of art called ayane they must die

[@reggielacey2235]

likes true

[@alastor-yw7og]

And have William Adam slice them up to

[@HayabusaKazamaDT]

That would be cool

[@californiawells2805]

Happy new years. I'm gonna ruin your day by saying that I still think SF, Tekken, and KoF are in the same universe

[@The4thSnake]

k

[@joseurbina3835]

@California Wells That Sounds Cool, But except there's really *"Bad Blood"* between those 2 Companies, what I'm talking about is Capcom and SNK.

[@californiawells2805]

@@joseurbina3835 damn fr? Since when?

[@joseurbina3835]

@@californiawells2805 Probably is because some of people who use to start working for Capcom to work on the 1st "Street Fighter" game, but later left and joined SNK to work on "Fatal Fury," "Art of Fighting" and eventually "King of Fighters," But hey, History repeats itself anyway, Platinum Games also has *"Bad Blood"* with Capcom too.

[@antyoung24]

That doesn't ruin my day. It actually makes it pretty cool if this is the case.

[@gr8gmr]

I say they're all set in the same universe and no year given.

[@zaskiaalsakila7248]

Hundreds of years ago, Nyotengu is chilling out with yokais in Nioh 2. Today she's in my island playing volleyball yeah!! Links 100s of years of history from Nioh to Xtreme Venus Vacation... Hehe...

[@uxm4life94]

You don't need to worry about the specific years things take place in fictional universes. That's like wondering why Maggie Simpson is still a baby or why Peter Parker isn't 80 years old. What's more important is the sequence of the games- in that regard this universe works quite well- even the Warriors games fit in to some degree as various alternate scenarios.

[@lwandomadikizela2213]

Ah. An update from the DOA timeline. Interesting.

[@alexkirk5879]

Happy new year 4th snake can’t wait to see You rip apart nrs some more in 2021.

[@dirckthedork-knight1201]

5:09 That killed me 😆 Also awesome video 👍

[@GamingKick]

I think you put more thoughts into this video than Team Ninja into creating a shared timeline.

[@amberlamps.]

11:07 Well actually in DOA6 the Encyclopedia entries recapping the story are still narrated through the canon of DOA Dimensions.

[@abdelali9279]

Explaining the Team Ninja canon is like: - So what does it all have to do with your voyeur anime game? - We will get there once we get there!

[@ubermaster134]

Could Hide still be around during the current events? Since he's a yokai and the Sohayamaru brings him back from the interim (When killed) like Saoirse for William.

[@cestlavie5063]

Quite possibly. But after our victory over Nightmare Bringer Otakemaru the game makes note on how the swords light fades until the bastard falls into relapse. While it could just be me looking to far into it, I think the immortality power might fade with it. Another possible outcome is that our character does what their father did and put away the weapon once Japan could be considered reasonably unfucked Sadly I cannot give any proof. As these are just speculations as to why someone like Hide wouldn't be spotted doing Hide things in the more modern day settings

[@Prince-Shogun]

Great analysis!

[@kittentacticalwarfare666]

Given that Orochi was taking people from many worlds and timelines is Warriors Orochi also a shared universe tho

[@alastor-yw7og]

Got any examples of how it's connect to all 4 series?

[@kittentacticalwarfare666]

@@alastor-yw7og it's stated on the game that Orochi pulled warriors of many worlds to find someone who could destroy him. You get Ryu and his pink haired pupil as well as some DoA(even an arena with the name of the game on it) characters in Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate, and once he is defeated you get a cutscene of most of them back to their world thinking the whole thing was a weird dream given how they return to the very moment before being taken away. Nioh can loosely be connected given how Oda Nobugana is a recurring character in W-Orochi games, about Fatal Frame don't remember correctly but pretty sure they had at least one character in one of the games but may be wrong.

[@rdzreborn2k7kt]

Happy new year

[@mr.checkyourself4672]

Have a great New Year 4th Snake 🙌

[@The4thSnake]

You too.

[@mr.checkyourself4672]

@@The4thSnake Thank U 🎉

[@joseurbina3835]

I'm surprised this Channel is actually still Alive. 😂

[@darklife5091]

I'm tempted to ask for a "Line Through Time" video on Project X Zone, but I have no idea how long researching that would take.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Imagine if DOA Extreme was actually canon. Good lord the jailbait

[@The4thSnake]

It is canon.

[@SamWiseTheGreat]

It is. For a deeper answer, Tamaki joins up to the DOA6 tournament from the Venus Vacation festival. So that automatically makes Venus Vacation canonical. Zack and Nikki's on and off relationship is also explored in both Extreme 2, DOA5 and 6. Lisa also appeared in Extreme before she did the fighting series. Plenty of connections.

[@reggielacey2235]

It is

[@MSguy1000]

5:08 It's good to know Xtreme Venus Vacation for what it is. Except for Tamaki, don't @ me.

[@pedrojosebellobelen3824]

Honestly I’d ignore the 2018 Retcon as unless explicitly told otherwise it’d make sense for the official dates to take relevancy.

[@A9251AQ]

Nioh and ninja gaiden are definitely connected, you have a Jin Hayabusa and a dragon sword

[@ironrex6979]

Very good and interesting video I never knew of the connection between DoA/NG/Nioh and Fatal Frame. I like to think Senran and Onechanbara are tied somehow to but it’s probably impossible due to different companies and licenses. At most it’s an “Akuma Tekken 7” scenario.

[@reggielacey2235]

Fun fact. ALL the dlc characters are canon. Mai is exclusive to doa. Kula from a dimensional rift and the other 2 from time travel. You previously said they weren't, just wanted to correct you again

[@insanemakaioshin]

It's still better than all 3 of DoA/Ninja Gaiden's contradicting timelines! Let us just say stated dates take priority over background ones & there's no sliding timescale. As 2018 was only shown in the background, while focus was put on the 2006 & 1999. Ryu was 21 in 1999, so the Arcade game date might still be canon. He would be 7, but as his opponents were mostly humans the game would be a good mission for Jo, or whoever his sensei was, to test his son's abilities as a ninja. The other ninja being another 7ish year old student. My original thought was Hayate, but he'd've been 4, so even if they train from childhood, like historical ninjas, he'd've just started, unlike Ryu.

[@steepsort6905]

Happy New Year. Also Drake Vagabond is your rival now.

[@romanakolzin2472]

Also about DOA/NG. Doa has not a some date/like ninja gaiden, cause all timeline has some details of past ( kasumi/ayne village of heian period for example). Or helena ( european 18 - 19 century) Present - characters like hitomi/tina and others who has 80s/90s vibes. And future - doatec line/clones/ mega corporations, robots, etc... Also it has tomonobu itagaki period when story was good. All lines work good. And doa/ng has strong connection in characters. ( Doa ++ - doa ultimate/ ng 1 - ng 2. And games after him. - different period. Doa was built on strong cultural archetypes and symbols, but not strong plot line ( it s just different method of presenting the story, who you can see in classical literature and occult texts for example).

[@SamWiseTheGreat]

I dunno about Nioh since I haven't played it but the others are. NG and DOA are of course intertwined. But Ayane showed up in Fatal Frame for the WiiU for the story, so it's an automatic connection, there. (Wrote this before I watched the video, lol.)

[@kahreeedwards]

Forgot to mention Kasumi on Sigma 2 & Razor's Edge

[@goldengamer-b2z]

Ok when this became crossover

[@RyomaHoshi22]

i haven't played Ninja gaiden in a long time

[@theomegarose2391]

I saw in an article somewhere that the Nyotengu in Nioh 2 is the mother of the one In DOA. I'll reply with a link if I can find it.

[@angellara7040]

2:08 all male members of the family carry the same name or at least the next male born is given it after the previous one dies...its been awhile since I've played nioh 2

[@waterdog737]

Earth two Ayane mind blowing

[@Ramsey276one]

5:00 Ni-Oh 2 is... WUT 7:00 ...JEEZ

[@TheSSBBfan666]

ALL Team Ninja Waifu's are not shit, heresy! love your work bro, wonder if you'll add another chapter to your Ninja Gaiden and Nioh fanfic goinv over Hide hanging with William and Ryu and telling his encounters with Ren Hayabusa and Nyotengu?

[@HorrorCritical]

The timeline situations are confusing

[@crystalhydra4779]

Who do i have to kill to get Fatal Frame remasters on the Switch and new Fatal Frame games

[@reggielacey2235]

Also you forgot about kula in kof

[@bubblebobbler]

Are the capcom games all in the same universe? Future video idea, maybe? I'm just guessing because in Dmc hd collection, there was a picture of Vergil and Dante as children with the Umbrella logo in the back ground

[@joseurbina3835]

"Street Fighter," "Final Fight," "Rival Schools" and even "Strider" are all set in the same Universe. "Dino Crisis," "Dead Rising" and "Resident Evil" could be set in the same Universe, I can't think of any other franchises that are connected to the "Devil May Cry" series, (Some people say it's "Darkstalkers" but it doesn't seem to fit tone for DMC, it kinda fits only something like the "Ghost N Goblins" series)

[@Nov-5062]

What about Yaiba Ninja Gaiden Z?

[@hallyuotaku2777]

now we only need Nioh 3 no way home so we can put all this characters together in one single game. (but not fighting game I hate soul calibur or mortal kombat)

[@Ineedgames]

Maybe all of the characters just time travel?

[@reggielacey2235]

No

[@dirckthedork-knight1201]

Ayaya

[@luisfabianperez9563]

What about Dynasty Warriors Series?

[@ijustworkhere1008]

When can we expect a Wasted Plotential video on 2020?

[@herbalyzoltan409]

We have to wait until all the DLC-s are out lmao

[@betegarcia6766]

4th snake i have a question: dynasty warriors, samurai warriors,warriors orochi,warriors of Troy,coloseeum road to freddom, gladiador begins,dynasty tactics and other tiltes have a shared universe?

[@The4thSnake]

No.

[@RealKame]

Is that your created character she looks cute❤

[@betegarcia6766]

I have a question samurai warriors, dynasty warriors and warriors orochi Share universe with this franchises too?

[@The4thSnake]

No. Nioh has its own Sengoku Era characters.

[@betegarcia6766]

Thank you for answer my question 😄

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

@@The4thSnake If Venus Vacation can be believed, there are Warriors titles that do exist in this shared universe.. as games. One of the 'shit-tier OCs', Kanna, mentions her love of playing action/destructive titles, "especially the history-based ones, since it's fun to see some of the characters I knew back then" but she "never imagined they'd be called the "tiger" and "dragon" much later in life".

[@DrakeVagabond]

Yay! I ruined a video!

[@brennanelledge3150]

Good Job! Here have a cookie. 🍪

[@firestorm2699]

👋👋👋👋👋💅💅👋👋

[@abrahamcueva4487]

Its a stretch and theres exactly no evidence of it but i mean theres demons and such existing as well as Nioh 2 appart of the timeline so why couldn't Ayane just have time traveled to 06 for ff5? I mean you established that Hide time traveled 3 separate times so why couldn't Ayane?

[@SD-mi2vc]

Ghost babies

[@shadow25august76]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@romanakolzin2472]

Ninja gaiden shadow it s not a canon, because it s remade version of natsume Shadow of ninja on nes. I think Ryu hayabusa was added because of popularity of Ninja Gaiden and this fact can help to sell game so well. It has a A emperor Garuda, which is character from shadow of ninja. First cutscene is also same, only year is different. Shadow of ninja take place in usa of 2029 year. NG Shadow - 1985, but if we look at setting of both games... There s future with robots and drones... And if we read some interviews of ninja gaiden devs, they said something like... Natsume and sega games ? Don t know about it. We don t get involved in this games. Natsume, or sega games of ninja gaiden it s not a canon.

[@brendanmuller7301]

Yeah the william having a son thing really doesn't make sense. I know some people write it off as he and okatsu banged before he left japan and that's why she was so upset about him leaving.

[@The4thSnake]

That would make the boy 15-16 when he shows up.

[@brendanmuller7301]

@@The4thSnake Yeah it doesn't really make sense honestly. I think they just gave him a son because the real william adams had a son by 1616 who was born in 1605, meaning he would be 11 at the time and his son in nioh 2 does look around 11. It really doesn't make any sense. All they needed to do is have william come back to japan sooner and have okatsu hide him or something, she is a ninja after all I'm sure she could manage it.

[@GinraiPrime666]

@@brendanmuller7301 I can only guess perhaps the writers might've made a slight mistake with the times hence it does seem odd for William to take so much longer to get back to Japan, unless we get something down the line showing he got delayed due to sorting something out hence the taking longer than before, otherwise we can just look it as a mistake and just correct the times in out heads.

[@0909ps4nyne]

Jesus christ,,, my head hurts

[@AnotherGamingDude]

I didnt know Ni-oh was conect to DOA and Ninja Gainden, i didn't want to play those games because i dont like souls-like games, i think the gameplay of those games is boring but i will give it a try to Ni-Oh since it shares universe.

[@HorrorCritical]

What do I think of MK11 winning best fighting game 2020?

[@Ergeniz]

The time span between all of the DOA games is so egregious it makes any suspension of disbelief impossible. Pretty sure Tekken has this damn problem. All these events in the span of a year or two is far too contrived and unrealistic.

[@nosfonader8792]

I’ll be the guy who says it: the DoA volleyball games ruined DoA. The ninjas vs tech company was surprisingly decent. The Beach Volleyball games got old real quick and ruined face of the DoA series and it never looked back. And I hate it. PS: I have never played either Nioh games, and I should do so. How funny that you keep calling Honoka jailbait. And she’s just that.

[@frogradar]

"shit tier oc's because the japanese have no taste" I hate to be this person, but there are 0 people of colour in venus vacation or xtreme

[@Ergeniz]

We know. That's the Japanese preferences I guess.

[@reggielacey2235]

And? It's a Japanese game

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

Are you doing any more of this series?

[@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut7533]

So maries jail bait huh lol

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

Yikes.

[@gonzalocachi4329]

That Is the mother of nyotengu. Please search better your information.

[@Kupomasters57]

Wait wait WAIT Fatal frame!? Really???

[@reggielacey2235]

No

[@jonespianist3189]

@@reggielacey2235 Yes, but only when considering the possibility of the Fatal Frame series being susceptible to a sliding time scale.

[@reggielacey2235]

@@jonespianist3189 fatal frame isn't canon as nothing from either games mention those events.

[@jonespianist3189]

@@reggielacey2235 Not even in Maiden of Black Water's bonus story?

[@reggielacey2235]

@@jonespianist3189 as far as I know no. At least not ayane herself