Dead Spot | 2014 Olsberg Mid-Air Collision

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Allec Joshua Ibay

Allec Joshua Ibay

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@roberthagedorn290
@roberthagedorn290 4 жыл бұрын
9:04 One could not see underneath, and the other could not see above. This situation has caused more than one crash.
@douglasskaalrud6865
@douglasskaalrud6865 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Hagedorn In an exercise it’s safety first. A properly planned exercise would have addressed the blind spot issue beforehand.
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. the recent Coeur de Leon midair was an example of the aircraft design making forward vision incomplete, at best.
@hp2084
@hp2084 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but what as the pilot of second typhoon doing. He clearly had the visual on them and it seems they were slowly inching closer and closer.
@MattH-wg7ou
@MattH-wg7ou 3 жыл бұрын
@@hp2084 "1, Break Left, Break Left, Break Left!"
@virginiaviola5097
@virginiaviola5097 3 жыл бұрын
My daughter’s second last lesson before solos a plane appeared straight up from under her..it happened so quickly that her instructor who was looking down at paperwork on her clip board never saw the other plane at all, before or after. My daughter still had a year to wait before she could legally do solos anyway, so she was going to have to keep flying fairly regularly with an instructor, tho not weekly as she had..but, it scared her so much that it kind of blew her confidence and she never completed her license..she did beat cancer tho! But that’s a whole ‘nother story. The sad thing with midair collisions is that they do happen so quickly, and are so catastrophic..RIP Learjet Pilots.
@lindadavies6109
@lindadavies6109 4 жыл бұрын
This one brings back a lot of sad memories... my husband's cousin was killed in a midair collision as well. I vividly remember being told about it and reading his log book when it arrived home with his things from his base in England. Excellent vid as always Allec. Greetings all from South Africa 👋🇿🇦
@markproulx1472
@markproulx1472 4 жыл бұрын
The production quality of these videos is excellent.
@mikepaz4870
@mikepaz4870 4 жыл бұрын
Mark Proulx concur
@hackerman7835
@hackerman7835 4 жыл бұрын
He's just running an old flight sim and filming his gameplay
@cameronnelson3488
@cameronnelson3488 4 жыл бұрын
hackerman yeah..? Still doesn’t take away from the detail that goes into making these, and the effort needed to ensure the accuracy
@bjbax8854
@bjbax8854 4 жыл бұрын
y
@wouldyoumind993
@wouldyoumind993 4 жыл бұрын
ikr
@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555
@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555 4 жыл бұрын
R.I.P :( to learjet crew
@messiafridi3327
@messiafridi3327 4 жыл бұрын
Rip
@solarwizzo8667
@solarwizzo8667 4 жыл бұрын
Sad outcome of a "normal" training exercise. I probably have flown with or against the GFD crew during my time when I was active duty as a GAF TORNADO WSO. They were retired TORNADO dudes as I am now, I guess. They chose to continue flying after retiring from the real deal. But any kind of flying can still get you! So sad! No Martin Bakers in the Lear! Good, that the damaged Eurofighter made it back to Nörvenich safely. A "Well Done" to the EF-200 pilot! And his wingman. Crashes of military jets are a very sensitive public topic in Germany.
@juanmanu9652
@juanmanu9652 3 жыл бұрын
Lockheed Starfighter comes to mind.
@saa82vik
@saa82vik 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. With the f-104 you guys had a few of them too much, granted.
@charlieharper886
@charlieharper886 4 жыл бұрын
"Boelcke". That's a crazy coincidence. Oswald Boelcke himself was killed when he lost control of his plane and crashed after another pilot flew into him. Boelcke was Germany's hero at the time and the other pilot was so distraught over the accident that he was found in his room later that day with his pistol in his hand. Manfred von Richthofen (the Red Baron himself) had to talk him out of committing suicide.
@jimdoyle3192
@jimdoyle3192 4 жыл бұрын
Flying is always risky under all conditions. Very little room if any 4 error.
@Cola64
@Cola64 4 жыл бұрын
Jim Doyle watching these videos and seeing all the pilots some with 20+ thousand hrs of seat time really makes you second guess that next flight ✈️
@karlwelin7932
@karlwelin7932 4 жыл бұрын
Allec, your videos are amazingly detailed & as far as I'm concerned, the best of any. Before a distant friend lost his battle to cancer, he told of a crash North of Denver of a 4 engine prop plane that nearly came down on top of them while they were out farming. They heard the craft taking off like normal & then a "pop" & the tail section separated. The engines slowed then reved & then shut down as the fuselage spun earthward directly at them. It was a bomb in the luggage compartment. The year? Probably in the mid '50's. Just a suggestion, but it too would make a very interesting video. Keep up your great work. Everyone is so impressed by all your detailed information
@flyluv737
@flyluv737 4 жыл бұрын
United Airlines flight 629, Nov 1955
@sarahalbers5555
@sarahalbers5555 4 жыл бұрын
@@flyluv737 Yes, that is an amazingly complex and fascinating story. And chilling. Thanks for doing this one!
@truelightningstriker5803
@truelightningstriker5803 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry about your friend.
@chiefcliff
@chiefcliff 4 жыл бұрын
The tasks should be rendered more precisely? If this was a real event - the civilian pilot would not be involved in any preflight "rendering." This is 100 percent on the chasing aircraft to be able to react to whatever the civilian plane does. They can't count on the civilian pilot knowing what the plan was supposed to be. How stupid was that... it's 100 percent on the military pilot for not being in a spot where he could take evasive actions to avoid whatever the civilian plane does.
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 4 жыл бұрын
That's basically what FAA says !
@EichlerHawk
@EichlerHawk 4 жыл бұрын
While he should have kept the other aircraft in sight, it's just as much caused by the lear pilots continuing the turn after losing sight. They should immediately have reduced bank angle in order to regain sight, and if unable to do so roll out wings level
@chiefcliff
@chiefcliff 4 жыл бұрын
Fred Hawk he's a civilian hijacked pilot under complete stress of the situation - the Lear jet pilot simulated EXACTLY a scenario that the military pilot should have been prepared for... this is the entirety of the training - approach and unpredictable pilot and ascertain the situation without jeopardizing either aircraft.
@EichlerHawk
@EichlerHawk 4 жыл бұрын
@@chiefcliff True. And had it been an actual real life scenario, I would agree that all the blame should be on the fighter pilot. However it was a training mission, and given that the Lear pilots were former fighters themselves, I think it's only fair to put at least some of the blame on them. Blind procedures are so critical in formation flying. They should have known better
@Stubbies2003
@Stubbies2003 4 жыл бұрын
@@EichlerHawk While I do agree with how this played out being more on the Learjet simply based upon position (he was flying wing not lead and one of wing's main responsibilities is deconfliction) if that was the normal procedure it doesn't make much sense to have the escorting aircraft flying in a lead position (harder to see what the suspect is doing AND fly the aircraft) then the procedure needs to be modified. As the saying goes "train how you fight". Changing it up from training to real world just induces problems.
@judymotto272
@judymotto272 4 жыл бұрын
You definitely our rock star allec..i seen your notification for this video and stopped every thing to watch ❤
@frankblangeard8865
@frankblangeard8865 4 жыл бұрын
What reason was there for the planes to be so close in the first place. Identifying the Learjet may have required flying close but after that there seems to be no good reason.
@vintagedarling4468
@vintagedarling4468 4 жыл бұрын
Good question
@Exodon2020
@Exodon2020 4 жыл бұрын
They were practicing air policinng, including interception and guidance to the next airfield. According to standard procedures the interceptor flies right next to the Cockpit of the intercepted airplane which mimics its movements.
@frankblangeard8865
@frankblangeard8865 4 жыл бұрын
@@Exodon2020 Close but not too close.
@Gabriel87100
@Gabriel87100 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a weird crash
@Luyira
@Luyira 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, it's pretty weird, but a moment of silence and an F and RIP will make the moment better.
@wouldyoumind993
@wouldyoumind993 4 жыл бұрын
@@Luyira shut up kid
@Luyira
@Luyira 4 жыл бұрын
@@wouldyoumind993 no u
@bhanuvenkata7105
@bhanuvenkata7105 4 жыл бұрын
@@Luyira huh
@Luyira
@Luyira 4 жыл бұрын
@@bhanuvenkata7105 ?
@Deonete
@Deonete 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Allec. You are the best at presenting your videos. Its clear and understandable form, makes it easy to understand the facts. I always watch your videos. A suggestion. Lower the background sound as much as possible. For a long time the sound of the engines starts to irritate. Deo from Brazil
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 4 жыл бұрын
I like that you keep extraneous information out of your videos; the type of engine, for instance, is irrelevant unless it specifically factors into the root cause. Some channels jam that kind of distraction in as a matter of course.
@kekelaward
@kekelaward 4 жыл бұрын
Asking if you can leave your damaged wingman to orbit the crash site doesn't seem like the kind of request likely to get an affirmative reaction from any pilot. I think the reaction of the second pilot would be natural for any pilot from anywhere, "Once I get him to a field and on the ground, I'll go back to the site".
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 4 жыл бұрын
I see Allec notification - instant click!😁
@felicitybali6969
@felicitybali6969 4 жыл бұрын
gomphrena -beautiful flower- true!
@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd
@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd 4 жыл бұрын
RIP learjet crew May they rest in peace
@martinkirugi254
@martinkirugi254 2 жыл бұрын
R. I. P. to the pilots of the learjet
@aflacduckquack
@aflacduckquack 4 жыл бұрын
The guys in the LearJet got a bit too concerned with everything else and overbanked, among other things. Just very sad. More spacing between the planes would have saved that crew. Nice vid, Allec, thank you... :)
@Capecodham
@Capecodham 4 жыл бұрын
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?
@mattias6539
@mattias6539 4 жыл бұрын
Could it be that there was no proper handover of controls from FO to Capt? As in for a brief moment nobody was actually flying the Learjet. “You have control.” - “ I have control.” call omitted. Could it be that the autopilot was switched OFF and then the aircraft was briefly flown by the FO, then never properly flown by the Capt? Possibly assuming that the autopilot was still ON or going to be switched ON again.
@jerrywilliamson3516
@jerrywilliamson3516 4 жыл бұрын
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@bastogne315
@bastogne315 4 жыл бұрын
They were drinking!
@jrmckim
@jrmckim 4 жыл бұрын
@@bastogne315 drinking water or something like that but not alcohol
@AmyAnnLand
@AmyAnnLand 4 жыл бұрын
So well done, as always. Such a shame this had to happen. Thank you for another great video.
@georgebogdan397
@georgebogdan397 4 жыл бұрын
Hate me but date me
@bugproductions9050
@bugproductions9050 4 жыл бұрын
Hottie
@tommycooperfish
@tommycooperfish 4 жыл бұрын
@@bugproductions9050 Thirsty as a Saharan camel this comment thread lol.
@theboeingcompany2153
@theboeingcompany2153 4 жыл бұрын
This accident comes to show that even in modern times, mid-air collisions are still, now and then, prone to occur, even with the best of experience, guidance, and technology meant to prevent that very sort of thing from occurring. In this case, I would most likely attribute the cause of the crash to an overloading of stress on the Typhoon pilot, limited visual range on both aircraft, and the absence of a last-second TCAS (that’s in my opinion, there may be plenty of other causes that led to the crash). Nonetheless, I hope that such a tragedy will never come to fruition again, and that those involved, both the survived and deceased, have hopefully moved on from the crash and are now living in peace. Once, again, excellent work Allec, and stay safe and jolly, everyone!
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 4 жыл бұрын
If everybody were following the procedures, every time, 90% of all incidents would be avoided...
@m.d.5463
@m.d.5463 4 жыл бұрын
Allec, again a great video! This time from my country Germany. I remember this crash in the news. But it was not that big of a story back then. Of course it led to discussions of the necessity of flying training with target jets, but 09/11 was still a topic. So sad the Learjet crew died in this incidence. RIP
@davidp2888
@davidp2888 4 жыл бұрын
Very well done, as usual.
@Koronuru
@Koronuru 4 жыл бұрын
A simple air training that ends into terrible accident...
@jamesburns2232
@jamesburns2232 4 жыл бұрын
More pilots are killed during training accidents than during actual combat missions. Time to quit spending so much money time and effort on airborne training when simulators don't kill anybody during a crash.
@B3Band
@B3Band 4 жыл бұрын
So what was that second Typhoon doing while these two planes were gradually moving closer to each other? What's the point of being the observing aircraft if you're not observant?
@jonathangriffiths2499
@jonathangriffiths2499 4 жыл бұрын
I assume his job would be to engage if this was the real thing
@mikespencer9913
@mikespencer9913 4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s important to remember that the 2nd Typhoon was following existing protocol. Protocol that was changed after this incident. RIP Lear Jet crew!
@bills6093
@bills6093 4 жыл бұрын
He was too far back, 3.7 kilometers, to observe them properly. That was one of the recomme3nded changes.
@higgydufrane
@higgydufrane 4 жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me how a wonderful piece of human engineering and craftsmanship can be reduces to fragments in a couple of seconds. Aircraft are very unforgiving in many ways. Such a sad story.
@algrayson8965
@algrayson8965 4 жыл бұрын
Aircraft can be very unforgiving... As the earth.
@johncrowley1203
@johncrowley1203 4 жыл бұрын
When the Typhoon appeared on his left, shouldn't the Lear pilot have taken over control of the airplane? The inability of the copilot to see the Typhoon was foreseeable.
@Cola64
@Cola64 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe use drones on the civilian side of the exercise ?
@wertfreund2480
@wertfreund2480 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cola64 won't work out better due to the optic-station below the nose the Drone controller also wouldn't been able to keep visual contact to the Typhoon while more than 3° bankable😉
@Cola64
@Cola64 4 жыл бұрын
wert freund Thank You
@jimdoyle3192
@jimdoyle3192 4 жыл бұрын
This was beyond preventable! Too little too late.
@FabJK4
@FabJK4 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Allec, as usual
@JoshuasPHXAviation
@JoshuasPHXAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video Allec👍👍
@scottparis6355
@scottparis6355 4 жыл бұрын
Was there a reason for the intercepting aircraft to be any closer than (maybe) 100 meters from the intercepted aircraft? This scenario required two dissimilar aircraft to fly close formation without communication or practice. It was a predictable incident.
@maj0072
@maj0072 4 жыл бұрын
Not to state the obvious but that's what they were doing practice and training. Once the classroom stuff is done you have to do as close to real life scenario as possible. It's a sad loss two men died but flying is by its nature dangerous and military flying more so.
@keithtynan7469
@keithtynan7469 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that is the point of the question: what was the purpose or advantage of flying in close formation with the Learjet? The accident merely highlights the vulnerability of the aircraft to anything from accident to deliberate attack.
@gerrycollins2335
@gerrycollins2335 4 жыл бұрын
I suppose to add to the knowledge of what was going on inside the target's cockpit, you have to get as close as possible to see what the occupants are doing. In the end the target may have to be shot down, so any such information is valuable.
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 4 жыл бұрын
It's been 25 years, so I'm a bit rusty, but can't be bothered looking up the details. There are FAA procedures for interceptions & deviations. As far as I remember, the procedure does instruct the intercepting pilot to keep a distance of min. 500 ft. to the target. The rules also very clearly specifies that safety throughout the entire encounter must be ensured by the intercepting pilot. So basically, the fast jet pilot had one priority, to keep a safe distance to the business jet. Sadly, he did not follow the procedures.
@mikebronicki6978
@mikebronicki6978 4 жыл бұрын
@@thefreedomguyuk exactly my thoughts. What is the point of intercepting a hijacked plane if you come so close as to bring it down by collision? I would say the German procedure needs to be changed to match the FAA procedure. The "hijacked" plane is not going to be prepared to fly in military formation.
@danielcockerspaniel
@danielcockerspaniel 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing how piss poor this procedure was. I’ve flown in chase aircraft on test flights and when you lose sight of the other aircraft it’s terrifying.
@blessOTMA
@blessOTMA 4 жыл бұрын
Your vids always have me on the edge of my seat. Well done!
@righteousgod8376
@righteousgod8376 4 жыл бұрын
We identified the renegade plane! And crashed the f*cker into the ground. Mission Accomplished. Nice job.
@obliviousidiot.
@obliviousidiot. 4 жыл бұрын
Oh god what a surprise let me into heaven it’s burning down here
@tomperkins5657
@tomperkins5657 3 жыл бұрын
"In response to the accident, investigators recommended they not do that again."
@baraxor
@baraxor 4 жыл бұрын
When the exercise scenario inadvertently changes from "intercepting, identifying and assessing hijacked aircraft" to "intercepting, identifying, assessing and interdicting hijacked aircraft".
@darthmaul72
@darthmaul72 4 жыл бұрын
Wow Alex impressive attention to detail! Loving the video due to that alone😉😊😎😎🥳🥳
@tomfoolery4497
@tomfoolery4497 4 жыл бұрын
Good job finding interesting crashes, and crash photos too.
@Boss_Tanaka
@Boss_Tanaka 4 жыл бұрын
1:11 l like the way they retracted the gear, these guys dont like drag 3:11 wow l m amazed by the STOL capability of the typhoons. Took off in less than 15 times their lenghts.
@harrw3168
@harrw3168 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a particular reason the typhoon had to fly so close to the Lear? It seems, if this,was a real situation the typhoon would no get so close to avoid a sudden maneuver by the Lear.
@nj81499
@nj81499 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Tragic. Well done. Another great vid. They’re so interesting and informative.
@tblomsterjr
@tblomsterjr 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! I’m subscribing! Keep up the great work!
@jhsevs
@jhsevs 4 жыл бұрын
I just found out about British Airways flight 9 and KLM flight 867. Both of these flew through ash clouds from volcanic eruptions, which practically sandblasted the entire planes including the windshields and stripped all the paint. Both flights had a quadruple engine failure and in flight 9, passengers could even see blue sparkling light shooting out from the front of the engines, in addition to full flaming exhausts. The cabin was filled with smoke and the windshield was opaque in both cases. There are even voice recordings of the pilots yelling in fear on frequency. Would be very interesting if you could do videos on these two incidents. And great video as always, of course.
@kishansn3145
@kishansn3145 4 жыл бұрын
Only person with no haters
@terryjones9784
@terryjones9784 4 жыл бұрын
fresh vidzzzz thanks Allec
@Capecodham
@Capecodham 4 жыл бұрын
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo? And why zzzz?
@sugararteries454
@sugararteries454 4 жыл бұрын
hey allec can you do a video about korean air flight 858? It's a really interesting aviation disaster but there's pretty much nothing on KZbin about it.
@AllecJoshuaIbay
@AllecJoshuaIbay 4 жыл бұрын
I'll try to see what I can find what can be done :)
@AllecJoshuaIbay
@AllecJoshuaIbay 4 жыл бұрын
I'll try to see what I can find what can be done :)
@maxsido2149
@maxsido2149 4 жыл бұрын
@@AllecJoshuaIbay Hey allec can you do the Umea Plane crash it involves an Australian made Aircraft Wich took Skydivers over Umea
@nonmihiseddeo4181
@nonmihiseddeo4181 4 жыл бұрын
About 6 weeks ago, a similar midair collision took place over Lake Coeur d'Alene, Idaho USA. A de Havilland Beaver sightseeing seaplane with a pilot and five paying passengers aboard collided with a Cessna with a pilot and passenger en route from Coeur d'Alene Airport to Lewiston, Washington. One plane was slightly above the other, and so neither pilot could see the other. There was a fireball, according to witnesses. All 8 people aboard the two aircraft were killed. The aircraft were recovered in 130 feet of water. The NTSB released a preliminary report. Its final report and recommendations are expected soon.
@skagglesthesquirrel
@skagglesthesquirrel 4 жыл бұрын
Love the videos mate. Idk if you do requests but if your interested, heres one that I can barely find much on but has insane video imo. Hijack and crash at Guangzhou Baiyun China airport 1990.
@AllecJoshuaIbay
@AllecJoshuaIbay 4 жыл бұрын
I know about this one :) i'll try to see if it can be done one day
@rutgerhauerfan
@rutgerhauerfan 4 жыл бұрын
Allec, could you make a video about a crash involving a small plane that happened in Umeå, Sweden, last year? 8 parachuters and the pilot died... With that out of the way, rest in peace to the two Learjet-pilots. :(
@afeeqvirus1
@afeeqvirus1 4 жыл бұрын
from what I understand, the 2nd fighter just sit back and watch the show, without even giving any proper warning about sufficient separation
@barbaralong4069
@barbaralong4069 4 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to find and add any video's with a little bit more info on the plane crash with buddy holly, richie valens and the big popper
@anandnairkollam
@anandnairkollam 3 жыл бұрын
What was the benefit of that training exercise
@BOT-uv2sv
@BOT-uv2sv 4 жыл бұрын
Great VIDEO!
@baraxor
@baraxor 4 жыл бұрын
While the banking by the Learjet seems to have been the immediate cause of the collision, I blame the Typhoon pilot more as having the duty of keeping well clear of any aircraft, especially if this had been a real-life incident dealing with a hijacked plane and a crew of unknown ability.
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 4 жыл бұрын
It WAS his responsibility !
@karlepaul6632
@karlepaul6632 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome job, as ALWAYS!😉👍🏻
@MorganBrown
@MorganBrown 4 жыл бұрын
wow...the Typhoon takes a lickin', and keeps on tickin'!
@carlosrodgers1296
@carlosrodgers1296 4 жыл бұрын
One thing I do not understand is why ground control or the one of the figthers did not call the Lear jet to explain the procedures to be carried out? Why did they only rely on visual messages?
4 жыл бұрын
What are those things at the end of the wings on the LearJet?
@K2KOfcoursegg
@K2KOfcoursegg 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do The uberlingen mid air collision?
@guyseeten2755
@guyseeten2755 4 жыл бұрын
This was a very sad accident. A DHL cargo plane collided with a Tupolev coming from Moscow, en route to Barcelona for a school trip. When the collision was becoming inevitable, ATC instructions were contrary to the TCAS instructions, which of course confused the pilots. In Russian society they were trained to obey instructions of their superior, so they followed the ATC, while of course the TCAS system was telling them the only correct thing to do. In the aftermath a Russian citizen, who lost his wife and two children in the accident, killed the Swiss trafic controller. I've visited the crash site twice, when I was in the area.
@johns8364
@johns8364 4 жыл бұрын
That's one of the greatest civil aviation tragedies of all time, and incredibly important to the history of traffic avoidance procedures and technology. I"m sure Allec will get to it, but there's no rush. Do it right and try to research what the other videos might have missed.
@nickykeightley9355
@nickykeightley9355 4 жыл бұрын
So detailed and so interesting, even for me, a lay person. Thank you.
@CONCRETEMAN5581
@CONCRETEMAN5581 4 жыл бұрын
He's a professional That's why it looks professionally produced ha
@hellosunshine1090
@hellosunshine1090 4 жыл бұрын
This one had "Danger, Will Robinson" written all over it...! Really, if it's a simulated intercept, why fly so dangerously close ? RIP to the 2 Victims
@hellosunshine1090
@hellosunshine1090 4 жыл бұрын
@Gary McMichael Man that'll get you every time ! In my hometown of San Diego, the S approach to Lindberg Fields runway over I-5 has planes so low you can read the warning decals on baggage doors on underside. Its thrilling but unnerves freeway drivers if jet passes directly above unexpectedly !
@Maddd17
@Maddd17 4 жыл бұрын
That picture of the crash site is something else... you would never know that used to be an AIRPLANE
@billy4072
@billy4072 4 жыл бұрын
So all or, any common sense , went out the window. Unbelievable
@ryand2529
@ryand2529 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t necessarily agree with that statement.
@ynotnilknarf39
@ynotnilknarf39 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryand2529 i do, massive errors that caused the incident!
@armstronglance
@armstronglance 4 жыл бұрын
Why was there no radio communication between aircraft?
@1339LARS
@1339LARS 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done !!!
@2livenoob
@2livenoob 4 жыл бұрын
Uh, what? What happened to the collision avoidance systems in either jet?
@smb226b
@smb226b 4 жыл бұрын
Probably they deliberately disabled it..?! or either one of the aircraft doesn't have tcas in the first place..
@seferinorino6951
@seferinorino6951 4 жыл бұрын
Question from someone not in aviation or security forces. If the situation has to be so scripted how is this helping to prepare for a real life situation?
@alex2143
@alex2143 4 жыл бұрын
Also not in aviation, but my best guess is that you try to break something complicated up in smaller chunks so that you can teach and train the smaller chunks individually. The reason for the extensive script for the exercise is that exercises are written to test whether the people involved meet certain goals, and how they perform on different elements of a certain task. Devising a script like this allows you to evaluate performance in a more consistent, standardized manner. I’ve been involved in writing cyber security incident response exercises. Completely different field of practice, but I imagine the process is more or less the same. Edit: good question by the way!
@seferinorino6951
@seferinorino6951 4 жыл бұрын
alex2143 thank you. Sounds like a good answer. I guess something in the planing went terribly wrong. This is interesting considering how scripted it was they didn’t consider getting too close to the other party would be high risk.
@PB1776Politics
@PB1776Politics 4 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the Typhoon didn’t take a defensive stance in this exercise... it had lost visual and if it had been a hijacking you wouldn’t allow the Lear to ever get close to the Military’s Aircraft.. the left bank angle seems to have some flaws.. one forward and one back and the Lear between them.. and the wingman calling the football from behind.
@tungstenkid2271
@tungstenkid2271 4 жыл бұрын
The sky's a big place, no need for them have been flying so close together.
@yible3278
@yible3278 4 жыл бұрын
There is, details of the intercepted aircraft need to be as precise as possible.
@tungstenkid2271
@tungstenkid2271 4 жыл бұрын
@@yible3278 Yeah in straight and level flight they can get close no problem, but when one of them starts turning and blind spots come into play it's time to get the hell clear of each other, not to try to fly in formation like a friggin aerobatics team..:)
@michealkelly9441
@michealkelly9441 4 жыл бұрын
Why did typhoons 1 let him under??
@wertfreund2480
@wertfreund2480 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the exact display of that accident! Is meanwhile FDR and Radar data available of the other Thphooncrash near Rostock?!
@anonymousprime7084
@anonymousprime7084 4 жыл бұрын
no further mention of the two pilots that lost their lives? wow
@adlwilliams
@adlwilliams 4 жыл бұрын
They dead. Nuff said
4 жыл бұрын
They were expendable.
@pickles3128
@pickles3128 4 жыл бұрын
Can you install mod that allows your Mii to sit in pilot's seats?
@georgemitchell9804
@georgemitchell9804 2 жыл бұрын
Could you look at airport crash in Bangkok, bad weather on approach to runway, about 30 years ago. All souls perished, I think.
@serdalk4479
@serdalk4479 4 жыл бұрын
Why so flying close ?
@aeroplanes0017
@aeroplanes0017 4 жыл бұрын
What simulator is this
@T0rturephile
@T0rturephile 4 жыл бұрын
_Flight Simulator 98_ .
@Tea2BeALT
@Tea2BeALT 4 жыл бұрын
@@T0rturephile oops thats Flight Simulator 2004.
@seeingeyegod
@seeingeyegod 4 жыл бұрын
Please tell me the Typhoon got a little stenciled kill mark of a Learjet.
@svenmartin5904
@svenmartin5904 4 жыл бұрын
I once was intecepted by military jets over the Baltic. They do fly very close.
@senorajuanita396
@senorajuanita396 4 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@geoh7777
@geoh7777 4 жыл бұрын
This lesson has been "learned" many times so far. IMO the premier example comes to mind: the 1966 General Electric Aerial Publicity Photo Shoot which was arranged for its shareholders where the NASA F104 participating in the close-order formation of several aircraft apparently was caught up in the wing vortex of the larger XB70 and the F104 was "pulled into" the bomber, killing the F104 pilot and causing the bomber to crash. All of this loss just to fly aircraft too close to one another.
@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd
@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd 4 жыл бұрын
Can you redo your video on the Charki Dadri mid air collision?
@spensert4933
@spensert4933 4 жыл бұрын
Was Pilot disciplined?
@gui_warr
@gui_warr 4 жыл бұрын
ok, we need to make a donation so that Allec has x-plane11
@clinteranovic8075
@clinteranovic8075 4 жыл бұрын
This seems an inherently risky kind of procedure. Do intercepting aircraft have cameras, with a zoom, so that they would not have to get too close to the suspect aircraft? Also if they were dealing with a hijacker, are they going to know what the procedure is or how they should react. If you had a passenger who had taken over when the pilot became incapacitaed , which has happened, are they going to know what to do, or be able to safely fly the plane in close formation?
@MorganBrown
@MorganBrown 4 жыл бұрын
15:44 You think?
@geoffreyludkin8672
@geoffreyludkin8672 4 жыл бұрын
There's no doubt that I've learned so much in terms of process and terminology since I've been watching these videos, but the whole concept of understanding bank angles is totally lost on me.
@dennisburton7726
@dennisburton7726 4 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is that at no time did I ever see anyone flying the Lear Jet. Cockpit was empty. Just being a jerk! Very good presentation!
@andyb.1026
@andyb.1026 4 жыл бұрын
No mention of the air-flow & aerodynamics effects of 2 Aircraft manoeuvring in such close proximity
@ted.angell7609
@ted.angell7609 4 жыл бұрын
They need to put cameras in these planes, flush with the fuselage, so pilots can see better.
@ynotnilknarf39
@ynotnilknarf39 4 жыл бұрын
Or actually fly correctly in the first instance, doesn't need cameras ffs!
@ken_in_atx9619
@ken_in_atx9619 4 жыл бұрын
Boeing has entered the chat: That is part of our $45 Million Dollar Camera Package.
@purplealice
@purplealice 4 жыл бұрын
That Learjet sure is a pretty airplane... those fighter jocks were playing their role too intensely.
@candybanks8717
@candybanks8717 4 жыл бұрын
Hoping you'll cover that tragedy, over Macho Grande.
@judieg.7945
@judieg.7945 4 жыл бұрын
What is meant by the Learjet also being included in the description as "participating in a military exercise"?
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of civilian contractors fly military missions.
@davidharris2519
@davidharris2519 4 жыл бұрын
if the lear is a german registered a/c why do you keep showing a French registered a/c
@022rty
@022rty 4 жыл бұрын
Allec, please work on a video for the recent bizarre Pakistan flight.
@pauldow1648
@pauldow1648 Жыл бұрын
Would you practice drive a car on the auto baun in a similar scheme. Even with impact warning sensors. This whole piece of work fails if reaction times, speeds,turns, comprehensive visualization, tasks and communication are not cushioned with enough safety factoring in the equation. I just wondered at the end, why my home, my house has apparently better camera detection device than these fast jets.
@possel4747
@possel4747 4 жыл бұрын
Both the Typhoon pilot and the LearJet captain were at fault. You just do NOT fly in close formation with someone without proper planning (as the Typhoon did), and you do NOT manoeuvre if you lose sight of them (as the Lear did).
@sheldonvandal6895
@sheldonvandal6895 4 жыл бұрын
Totally unnecessary exercise. Do this in a simulator. The comms are the most important aspect, with ATC, and can be done...in a simulator. R.I.P. Lear Jet crew.
@smyanmunishwar-home1027
@smyanmunishwar-home1027 4 жыл бұрын
In the next video can you do an Indian airliner crash??
@mikepaz4870
@mikepaz4870 4 жыл бұрын
That was very well done. Maraming maraming salamat po
@chuckeberth4370
@chuckeberth4370 4 жыл бұрын
A very sad accident and the loss of two lives. The PIC should have taken control sooner. To many lessons are learned in blood.
@tirzhaprinsloo2774
@tirzhaprinsloo2774 4 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe what I am seeing here. Isn't The Typhoon pilot the more responsible one ? Why is he flying so near another plane and not leaving space for error or is he over confidant here. He is responsible for the death of the other 2 pilots. He could have foreseen to be more careful when he was leading the other plane and be careful for his slipstream so near the other plane.
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