I Waited A Month For Parts And My Aces EFI System Still Doesn't Work (A Turbo Slant Six Update)

I don't know about you, but I'm getting tired of listening to this poor 170 slant six engine crank. My 1963 Plymouth Valiant Signet seemed like the perfect platform for a turbo slant six build. I've made a couple missteps as it has come together, sure. But in today's episode, I'm going to try and get the Aces Killshot Classic system up and running after revamping the electrical connections and adding a fuel pressure gauge. Spoiler alert, it just straight up doesn't work.

[@timjefferson2137]

Dude, it's the ballast resistor. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'll show myself to the corn now.

[@petergrey7125]

lol! 😂

[@jeffhutchins7048]

NOPE, bad ground.....OBVIOUSLY!😮

[@VolcanoPudding]

Software

[@Moonman63]

You know , I’m not into mopars but I love listening to Jamie work through problems.

[@antonleimbach648]

Jamie, my Dutch grandmother had a great saying. “All the best sailors stand ashore”. It means that while you are out there on the water actually sailing there are always lots of people who are shouting at you what to do from the shoreline. I’m sorry you have to deal with this problem, you’re doing great.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

There's a famous speech from a president or something that expresses the exact same sentiment, and when I'm dealing with critical comments of the not-constructive type, I often think about that. Thank you.

[@Alias_Jack-Alias_Jackie]

​@@DeadDodgeGarageUsually called "The Man in the Arena" speech, Teddy Roosevelt. That's a great one to keep in the back of your mind, especially when you're on the verge of ripping your hair out.

[@vikipapa179]

I made a Speeduino NO2C on shoestring budget (for a Lada 2105) a while ago. I've got all the "it is not going to work" stuff from my colleagues (electronic maintenance people), but to their surprise it works with a cam sensor made with a gap opto sensor and a turned down toothed belt gear in place of the distributor and with a wasted spark vw coil pack and runs awesome with no distributor. The next phase: "you are not going to be able to tune it", I drove to work (1 hour drive one way) and on the way home it ran awesome... Now I am putting a CV40 carb on it (from a harley davidson, because why not) and I've already got the "it is not going to work" on that too, but it already runs good after some re-jetting, and now I wait for some good weather to fine tune it. So, it is nice to see the faces of the people who say the classic "it is not going to work" line when it indeed works, hah! Love your vids on this project!

[@SaltyPO]

Watching this saga gives me a new appreciation for my collection of Carter YF carbs i assembled for my 258 6 cylinder stuff. My 1972 Jeep Commando seems to like them!

[@iamnoone.]

JAMIE, I feel for you. On a good note, I just got back from an estate sale where I bought a complete 426 hemi and a box of parts to assemble another one. And a good block and heads.

[@AsswipeGarage]

What ya gonna put it in??

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Oh dang! Well, you know somebody who sure could use a good block. Haha.

[@iamnoone.]

JAMIE. You're out west, and I'm out east.

[@jeffhutchins7048]

So!😊

[@roberthirshfield3571]

Road trip

[@petergrey7125]

Jamie, appreciate you giving these fellas at Ace a fair shake, but sounds like they need to step it up in their Customer Service. I’m interested in seeing how this works out .

[@robertsmeal8193]

My brother dropped over 800.00 on the same system for his 4.0 jeep. Never got it to run happy. He went with a sniper kit and it's a beast now.

[@geofffenwick1126]

I used a 600 edelbrock on my 4.0 did nothing to it and it works

[@bartorlans5390]

Jamie, Thank you for taking a dull Friday afternoon and turning it into a fun Friday afternoon. You're the man!

[@Yoyo-oz5pz]

This is absolutely my favorite project of yours so far. Good luck with it.

[@klapaucius77]

Im happy to see somebody showing how finicky these systems can be. Most channels show them being all sunshine and rainbows. Carbs may be rudimentary, but they can run, even when they aren't set up perfectly. These won't.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

I personally think that lesson was worth the time and energy. I know at least a few people have been waiting to see if this works.

[@jazman1966]

Its unfortunate that the internet experts have opinions on everything. My question is if they arevso smart, why are we watching you and not them? I watch channels like yours for entertainment, and if I learn something in the process its a bonus. Keep up the great content and Ill be here, without trying to tell an experienced car guy what to do!

[@GarryFullerSr]

Jamie. You have a lot more Patience than I do. Great channel.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Thank you!

[@Mclovingarage]

You continue to re-affirm my commitment to carburetors. I’m impressed with your no quit attitude on this whole project. I really hope a solid solution develops so you can get to testing and tuning that glorious slant six turbo!

[@richardprice5978]

i was a carb/mechanically+mag ( or air/hand/pony-engine/spring started diesel mechanical-pump, aka im not a fan of wiring-job's and still dreading my new-hemi's/set for 2015-era-technology swapping for the 540ci or the BEV/cab-swap 1987 as my local government/EPA is a pain and this is the loopholes im willing to tryout, and Cummins/other diesel/common-rail genie-bed/tool-box removable loophole-hybrid winks ) type at 21yo/2009 but in the last 9~years im now DDI/GDI/port+CNP/obd2 parts store's-ect aren't setup for this/magneto's-ect anymore and or i got tired of being stuck on the side of the road and or car/383+727( Tr6070 as a replacement as i cannot be bothersome to tune/wire the 10speed-automatic/10R140 platform from Chevy's/ford, as my knowledge i suck as programming-language and much better experience at hardware/parts, speaking of that ECU in the video might not have enough program'd-in on the lowest point for tune ( halltech KZbin channel and mat covers this and or how to temporarily trick/running-longer it to getting into closed-loop mode so it start's trimmings/adjusting ) and or UTG mentioned that there's a different strategy for cold-started/carb-pad/GDI and this might be assumed that the gasoline is vape-r or still not adjusted/on for factory/defaults or poor-wiring/previous-bad-tune/hard-part-setup, wonder if he/video fed it hot-air/hot-ambient-temperature and or humidity-considering would've made a difference? like it does on mechanical-diesels, early bendix/Chrysler of 1955~era might hold some-tips as to what's happening ) in the shop not starting/sputtering and i got-go-now like late* to work/wife-dates and there's also pissing her off as then im draging my undersides ( and randomness screw-driver's and or wrench's in my coats/pockets, and that really is hard on washing machine's+wife's nerves wink's... ) of my charger/C10/K1500 1967/1969/1987 inside and or not thinking/remembering hugging-her/kid's/ect

[@DStead2239]

Carburettors are junk, the only benefit they serve is any fool can work on one. A good sequential efi system is better in every single way possible, except cost.

[@MikeSchmidt-qt7ls]

KZbin needs to do better. You should have min 250k subs. Your sarcasm and your monologs are so refreshing. Keep up the great work. My 68 roadrunner chuckles in my garage when i watch your episodes.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Hey, we’re getting there. Haha. Thanks!

[@DiecastDreamCustoms]

You'll never make everyone happy, brother. You could do everything exactly as the manufacturer states to do it and someone at the manufacturer will tell you to do something else. The thing about mechanics is that every mechanic knows more than every other mechanic. To me, you might as well be working on the space shuttle, so... Keep on rocking, man!

[@k0namiman]

A lot of these aftermarket carb replacement FI systems seem like they're just straight up trash. I dealt with something similar on my '83 Datsun turbo. I went through a bunch of wideband controllers, and more than a couple ECU systems before I landed where I am now. I hope Aces is willing to make it right, especially with Dr. Art in your corner, but I wouldn't hold my breath, especially after how long it took them to send you a new controller and ECU. Fuel injected turbo cars are cool, but man are they a complete pain in the butt.

[@XxMusclecarsxX]

Seen many youtubers, facebook posts and hotrod magazine having trouble with these tbi system

[@kyle8952]

Not just "seems like", they are. They're not even as good as a single point injection system that came on cars new in the 80s. The entire idea is flawed, single point injection is not a direct replacement for a carburetor. Knowing the bad quality of a lot of aftermarket technological "upgrades" I'd be incredibly suspicious. We've already seen the terrible magnum force coilover conversion that isn't even structurally sound, and that's much easier to design than EFI. I have no confidence in aftermarket guys taking under hood electronics seriously.

[@richardprice5978]

@@kyle8952 based off my mentors that did ford/302/460 or 454-chevy experiments( 1980's to 1997 era my wife barely remembered that as a smaller child/age, and yes he was doing the budget/cheapo's/used way as hobbies-giggles as his wife wouldn't have been happy with top-shelf's spending $$$ as they agreed on new-home/construction ect ) and eric the car-guy's channel/KZbin and others with carbs and turbo's/NO2 it's not a good idea my mentor was trained in mechanical engineering and or millwright/tool-maker's career and ASE? anyway's same outcomes of knock/busted-rod's and or shop-fire and had it not been the JDM/my-siblings ( and im fed-up with current shopping-choice's and or getting stranded more than once in 9 years 2014-nowadays ect-issue's ) id not be trying to run turbocharged on my RB/hemi platform ( did considering the 8-71 add but at the time wife didn't okay "race car parts" so i passed on the used-chevy setup that i would have converted into 440-setup-bit's ) as they showcase'd obd2 as more stability than the terribleness of obd1/1970-92~ or my mentors cursed-setup halfblooded combo's don't seem to be stable as my tryout at the gold-box 1972~era loom is more problematic than my original version 1967 tiredness wired in a 1968-70 charger and my K1500 80's/HEI has been like this as well, so fully functional OBD2 or 1950's dizzy's+carb and don't add-boost

[@richardprice5978]

@@kyle8952 mixing with CDI-box and or brand's also might not be helping slant6's setup as im counting this as gold-box-mopar+carbs and my box/ballista has been a royal headache and my next time/currently is for the ECU/OBD2 to do-all and not sub-dedivision-ing it out into fuel air sparks transmission-Logic( currently have a tr6070/challenger's as i cannot be bothersome to correctly setup/tunes a 2wd 10R140 out of a Chevy's/ford's yet to be seen if i made the 100% best-choice as i don't have a EFI wiring-loom done yet ect and or new-piston's-in hemi/540ci~ ) ect

[@GTIFabric]

They are a compromise of just about everything

[@JohnM-c5f]

Thanks for sharing your adventures with all of us…never a dull moment.

[@stephenrosenthal5337]

"Ranting Jamie" is premium entertainment.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Some people hate it and don’t find it entertaining at all 🤣 but the same can be said for everything I say and do.

[@stephenrosenthal5337]

@DeadDodgeGarage "Some people" need to loosen their girdles. 😂

[@FryandTwix11]

I loved it when i worked with him best days ever

[@Duncan1800]

I hate that you have to make a video strictly to shout down haters and busybodies. But I also appreciate your passion and determination to get it running and prove them wrong. Keep doing what you do, man. 👍

[@dannork1240]

“Hey, here’s a guy with a ton of experience doing something online. Imma jump on there and tell him he’s wrong, even though I’ve never done what he’s doing!” 🤨 I really like your channel and usually learn something from each video. Please keep on doing your thing because it’s awesome

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Exactly 🤣 thank you!

[@philipgenovese3478]

I can appreciate your can do attitude it always brings results . Me and my daughter are rooting for ya .

[@Coronetguy]

The “ get this off my chest video” with special guest Dr. Art!! 😂😂

[@robertmayer8455]

Thanks!

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Thank you!

[@jasonbaumgarte6465]

Jamie, I almost bought the Aces for my 73 power wagon I'm putting back together. I ended up going with an AVS2 for "temporary", honestly could not be more happy with it. After having such good luck with the carb, and seeing your struggles with the EFI systems, I think I'm just going to keep it simple and old school and enjoy my truck! God knows I have enough other things that need fixed on it, I don't want to waste my time on something that should just work.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

The AVS2 is the absolute best!

[@rkn3045]

I started the video and then skipped to the last two minutes and stopped watching with 45 seconds left. So glad you got the Aces system working.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Perfect 🤣 I’m going to use this method to solve all of life’s problems!

[@merlinglennon5370]

That's proof enough for me. Don't buy ACES, how could they not understand the name on the order was a dealer ?? Crazy! I have a 72 Gremlin with a built 401, was thinking of installing one of these. Now I realize I should stick to what I have. Thanks for sharing the problems you had.

[@johnelliott7375]

Hey Jamie, I have been there and done that and it takes a good person to admit that they were going to try something different and if it doesn't work, admit it and fix it. Good man, good man, and good mechanic! Thanks again for sharing.

[@leerindal8980]

Jamie, keep your chin up but not so high you drown in the rain out there. This is a great project and I sincerely am learning a great deal . . . such as cancel my EFI conversion on my 67 Barracuda that I have been contemplating.

[@johnelliott7375]

Thanks again for sharing this with me and my family! We love to see you work on the old cars and keep them on the road. I hope you have a great evening and enjoy. We are looking for what you are going to do next. I would ask you a bunch of questions about this and that, I will say that you have a good plan on what you're going to do next. What ever you choose to work on next , we will watch and enjoy your next step. If you come across a decent deal on a good car let me know. Thanks again for everything you do and share.

[@number3665]

I've had my fair share of issues with my Killshot also, but I got it working pretty good now. I just started my car for the first time in about 4 months (since the winter started around here in Indiana) and it fired right up. What I found is a lot of the base settings had to be readjusted for it to be happy on my engine. Fuel prime volume and duration had to be changed in order to get it to fire up quickly. Fuel offset I believe it was had to be changed in order for it to run smoother and be more responsive. Basically, I had to adjust in the handheld the percentage of fuel given so it was as close to my selected air fuel ratio value as possible without computer adjustments. If the computer has to take too much fuel out or add to much fuel, then it doesn't really respond well when you "hit" it. I got it within about a percent or two so it doesn't have to add much or take away much. This took me some months because I'm new to really tuning and diving into fuel injection. Now during this time I've been able to run and drive my car while I figured it out thanks to other guys that know more about fuel injection and especially the aces systems and posted videos on them.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Nice. I for dang sure I’ll have to tweak the tune for it to be happy with this whacky combination. But first I would need it to actually run!

[@jonboy9912]

My Family motto is "If at first you fail to succeed - give up"! Worked for me for many years!

[@g-regh3145]

HAHAHA man, I feel for you dude. Actual mechanics know you don't need suggestions or help, pretty evident you are very seasoned. If it is any consolation, this entire video and process helped validate my own feelings towards some aftermarket companies' experiences I have gone through recently. Not quite as bad, but pretty close and sadly consistent. Seeing how others have stated similar product issues in your comment feed, maybe they should pay you to help them troubleshoot the issues, assuming you'd be willing. 🤑

[@mhuppertz]

You and Uncle Tony have convinced me, sticking with the Thermoquad!

[@YODAMAN5]

AWESOME vid, FYI...your channel and Uncle Tony and VGG are my favs. You guys are to good and knowledgable as well as funny....MOPAR 4 EVER.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Thank you!

[@taundekocollins2059]

You're doing great with that car. I remember taking down a Ford E4OD trans 7 times before I figured out what was wrong. It worked great when I finished it. Hang in there with the EFI. No carburetors. Go for what you know. You gotz diss man!!

[@rh752]

There is no excuse for poor tech support. I bought a niche plasma cutter and the inventor/company owner personally replied to all queries when things went wrong. It was not a small company either but he knew how important it was for people and the difference it made was huge!

[@bookofrevelation4924]

Your expense don't seem to be much, but you do produce a lot of laughs, thank you for that!

[@jefffanning2799]

Jamie, love the channel! Admire that you are hanging in there with this project! Please & Thanks, a dedicated Playlist for this project.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Thank you! Yep, the “Turbo Slant Six Build” playlist has it all.

[@n6mz]

I haven't visited Aberdeen since 1982 or so, but you have such an incredible collection (and great attitude) I'd be tempted to make the trip again ;-) BTW your new look is MUCH better!

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Thanks. Haha.

[@AsswipeGarage]

I was in Aberdeen 2 months ago. It hasn't changed a bit. I live north of Forks.

[@n6mz]

@@DeadDodgeGarage BTW I love this project!

[@jimbo5728]

I so very much enjoy your rant videos. And I have no idea why 😂😂

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

At least someone does 🤣

[@MichaelBrewster-x7n]

I never said that what you said that none of that stuff wouldn't work I'm not everyone I'm me you are you thay are them and some are us and now I lost my train of thought. Great job❤

[@wolfc7280]

I am not a fan of the slant six, I had a 72 Duster when I was 16 and developed a dislike for them. But, I tip my hat to you, sir. Love the ingenuity and imagination.

[@4ndy530]

I appreciate the croissant wrench usage on the A/N fittings! 😂

[@VC.valiant]

You have more patience than most people.

[@greenbury]

I'd say aces inc. ain't got their shit together yet , too many chiefs , Aren't being up front with you or their right hand don't know what the left is doing . You're a better man than me , I wouldn't have lost it long ago with wrenches flying and blood pressure soaring . Good luck

[@SlaveFlynn]

They don't, because it's not their tech. They rebadged ali baba products from China. Simple

[@JoeyGarcia]

I know what's wrong with it.... It ain't got no gas in it! 🤣 Good luck man! Rooting for you to get it running. I'm considering a Holley Terminator X Stealth System for my 360 small block.

[@timmcooper294]

Over the last 30 years of dabbling in EFI I have both watched, and lived, this scenario play out again......and again.... and again!! Aftermarket EFI kits are hit or miss.... usually miss! After having (mostly) great outcomes with OEM EFI swaps for the last 30 years, I am going to build my own system for an old engine, using recycled OEM components (No sketchy new parts). I'm looking forward to the challenge LOL!! Damn I want to see your turbo slant run awesome, what a great project ! Multi point EFI for sure.....

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Yep… So do I try this Megasquirt I’ve got sitting here, or just jump straight to a tuned JTEC and factory Chrysler sensors and components? That is the question.

[@timmcooper294]

@@DeadDodgeGarage Decisions.... I'd run all factory Chrysler bits and pieces for sure, as I'm assuming you are very familiar with them. OEM reliability beats bling every time.

[@markdaigle9856]

Trolls will be Trolls, pay no mind to them. Most of us love your content and find it very entertaining :o)

[@dascooter8287]

I will pray for your eternal soul and that you be granted the patience of Job. Also I anxiously await your next video. Whatever direction your sails are blown. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@Fireandiceautok9v]

I've fad bad luck with aftermarket efi,about once a year a customer will come in and want me to install one and I have never had one run right. It to the point that I will not except that job.I am not going to go through the trouble. I have heard good things about magga squirt .I wish you well with your project.

[@gertv6777]

Lmao thanks for the help on the magnum EFI swap its so much better than the aftermarket efi setups

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

I couldn't agree more!

[@theodorgiosan2570]

I think Speeduino is unbeatable for the price. And would work very well in this application with one of the myriad of 4 barrel throttle bodies with injector holes that are available on Ebay and elsewhere. You can probably even use the injectors out of the Aces unit. And it can do coil per cylinder ignition as well. Getting a bare board and soldering it yourself preferably with military or aerospace grade components is cheaper and you know the soldering is done right if you're decent at it. The through hole board is significantly better and easier to solder than the SMD one with the only tradeoff being a bit bigger size. I don't see any reason to buy a premade EFI system unless you really don't have the extra time. Especially for a TBI type system like this. And just pick up some LS coils from a junkyard or even better, Mercury Marine Optimax outboard coils, and use a reluctor ring to trigger the ignition. Use some aluminum tube and plate to make a cover for the original distributor cap location.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Many people have recommended it and I’m not ruling it out - but I already have MegaSquirt.

[@kenmoore8075]

Thank you, You have convinced me to keep my carb. EFI is great (?) but I don't need the hassle .

[@timsquire9620]

You go my friend tell us how you really feel, love your channel thank you for sharing your knowledge

[@trojan440]

Obviously your commenter's are new to your channel and haven't seen what you have done. I know just enough about it to know you have a hell of a lot more experience than me. Keep doing what you do.

[@grantlee2975]

Jamie your way more patient than me, I would have thrown that whole thing with it wiring across the street. Then sit down with a beer to calm down and work out which Edelbrock carb to fit .

[@timgagel5697]

Don't worry about what the haters think. I think your knowledge is top notch and I appreciate that you constantly put out new and interesting content. 👍

[@countswing284]

I'm not sure you need reminding about turning the beep off, but here it is. Cheers! 😎👍🏎🏁🏁

[@trentonmehall1716]

i need more daytona videos mine i think has intermittent spark on cylinder 3 and im sure its something simple but any video on daytonas are helpful cuz theres like none out there but i appreciate all the content thank you jamie

[@ivanchester1525]

Man, you have patience of steel! Hope you get it figured out.

[@frnkbooth6871]

After watching the full video and reading some comments, I’ll offer this. If you have already tried this. Ignore. Automotive systems on the OEM side are designed to operate at 5 volt logic level on the system board to ensure no low voltage drop out during crank. With lots of noise filtering on the ecu board. My suggestion to try and isolate the issue, split the efi system to a SEPARATE battery from the main system. Do not connect it to your alternator. You could have noise coming from your charging system which is not being filtered out due to poor engineering practices from the Aces systems. Noise making into the processor can and will cause many random problems. Additionally splitting the power will totally eliminate the possibility of low voltage drop out during crank. I realize this is not a permanent solution but an effort to isolate a problem which could be related to aces system engineering and design. This would also explain why the other system worked but not well. Noise. Better board level engineering. Since aces they are a new, smaller company they may not even understand the issue. BTW, are you using resistance plug wires to suppress ignition noise? That could be getting into the ecu as well. Bottom line, digital electronics does not like or play well with high noise automotive environments. Mitigation is a must on the part of the manufacturers making the product. All major oems know this already. If this resolves the issue, I have other suggestions.

[@SlaveFlynn]

Good point, 5v runs lots of little electronics....

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

While I don’t think you have a bad idea here by any means, I know it’s not my current issue - and if I have to run the system on a completely separate battery to get it to function, what on earth is the point? I have already solved the voltage drop during cranking issue by routing the main power feed directly to the battery in the trunk, and the key trigger a battery fed relay. I know that because my previous screen shutoff issue is gone, and also because the car starts immediately with the Atomic system. And again, I agree with your concept and your logic - but by proving that a completely different EFI system starts and operates on exactly the same power feeds with the components in exactly the same places while the Aces refuses to do so, I believe I have good reason to skip these other diagnostic steps outside of the system itself. Yes, you may well be right in that the MSD system has more robust electronics comparatively. And if that is the case… I do believe I’ve proven the point on Aces. Thank you.

[@frnkbooth6871]

Understood. I was driving to understand root cause which could be solved by local remediation. Eg, the mopar voltage regulation on the alternator is a huge noise source. I’m not saying this is true but if so, it opens up other options as far as efi solutions go. At the very least I would have the 12v bulk power at the battery terminals checked with a shop scope to determine noise levels. Eg, 13.3 volts dc but 13 volt spikes at the right frequency could be raising hell with these efi systems. Other possibilities as well. I understand your point. Avoid all efi and that it is someone else’s problem.

[@SplitPegasus]

Personally I can't wait to see you get this thing running good. I love the whacky projects you put together.

[@petercalibo1951]

I enjoy your great video. Keep it up. Thanks for the information. I also own a dodge dart. 64 convertible. Slant 6

[@Anthony-nw5zv]

Yeah I took a Elderlybrock carburetor and crushed it in my vice and I would be glad to see you do the same to that scrap injection system then send it back to the supplier 😊

[@joshm3875]

I've wanted to try fuel injection on some of my junk but this is how I envision it going. I'd like to see a solution on the Aces for nothing other than to know what was wrong. I'd also love to see multi-port, that is very interesting to me. Right now I'm somewhere between the Mitsubishi Challenger and the 4.0 Cherokee with a Weber on a 258 Scout. It runs SO nice, for now.

[@JosephHalder]

I've had such good luck with my Microsquirt on a 4 cylinder of mine, I can't imagine going to a EFI system that starts and ends with a touchscreen (that may not even be programmed right). I do hope it works out with the Aces setup, it still seems pretty neat.

[@VolcanoPudding]

RE: Morons I'd long suspected that the world was full of idiots, but it wasn't until the advent of social media that I became fully convinced.

[@burtbacarach5034]

You must not drive then.The highways and byways are chock full of morons.

[@kellismith4329]

When we were all able to speak and remove all doubt

[@jimbo5728]

I was going to buy aces for my corvair. Sad to see all this trouble you're having with it. Having second thoughts now. They should have sent you a complete setup, everything, to replace all of what you have. The throttle body might be bad. But after a month of runaround, who would bother...

[@dantupper1784]

Seeing you struggle is bringing back the nighmares I had with Holley ProJection decades ago. The 170 and the support systems seem to be working well enough for the Atomic system to kinda work- so Aces is the issue And it's not like there's a lack of other project cars & trucks to build on....

[@jessphuqette1716]

Back in the late 70s i ran a 65 Chevy 2 with a turboed 250 six and a muncie. It was a hoot.. especially with the obnoxious, loud 6cyl exhaust note😅

[@macdrew77]

I was planning a MPFI turbo slant 6 using a Megasquirt. Sadly had to give up on it, but seemed like a fairly robust system as long as you dont mind sinking a boatload of time into figuring it all out.

[@SlaveFlynn]

Yep I as well, spent countless hours on theory then gave up and drank a beer

[@The_Adventure_guild]

As a fellow Neanderthal I myself have successfully installed 5 megasquirt setups all on odd random cars from scratch. All ran great all with turbos. All the things you are changing indeed are important. Try to keep crank trigger or ignition wiring away from each other or sensor wiring I had noise issues causing random missing due to loss of signal on various things. Best of luck.

[@MoparMan-ff8fb]

I think you did a great job on the slant6 set . Sucks about the EFI issues. I'm also going to be putting an air hat on my 2 barrel slant6 . it's cast aluminum from Offenhauser

[@minnesotatomcat]

You owe that starter a moderately priced steak dinner 😂

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Probably should have bought it dinner FIRST 🤣

[@johnhudson7055]

I love this car and the slant 6. I’m hoping to find a late 70s Dodge Aspen sedan. When I was 14 and 15 I would spend the summer at my mom’s house out in the country and go drive around in a white 77 Aspen sedan, it wasn’t pretty but mechanically it was sound. So I want one now.

[@RichL8223]

Keep plugging away at it, you’ll get there🎉

[@mitchfleming274]

Thanks for the answers about Aces...I have seen them advertised and I think I will stay away for my first EFI conversion.

[@markdavis3362]

I hate to say it, but it is fun watching someone other than me have these kinds of struggles. lol. I have been wanting to try doing another turbo car but if you can’t make one of these systems work I’ll pass. I’m thinking factory system with upgrades now.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

I'm out here doing the research so you don't have to. Haha.

[@markdavis3362]

@ you have the patience of a saint! Did you have to edit out foul language? lol

[@alfredocartes7286]

One thing to be wary of- the old mechanical regulators can create a brief voltage spikewhich can fry delicate electronics. On an old points system, the battery would damp it, but an EFI system might not be so lucky. I recommend going to the 70 and up 3 wire alternator with solid state regulator.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Yeah I'm not running one of those buddy. This is a one wire self regulated alternator with an extra charge bypass wire around the ammeter. Believe it or not, I know stuff.

[@peterdollery629]

I think the word "run" describes the Aces system. I admire your perseverance (you paid good money and want it to work) but I'd be calling it by now. I hope the reflash works for you!

[@pres589]

For a lot of fun (for someone else, not me, thank you kindly) I wonder about controlling the MSD AtomicTBI unit with the Megasquirt and just forget all about that Aces mess. You know, in case you haven't heard that already and wanted more suggestions from the peanut gallery. Sucks that it's been such a challenge getting this working better.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Definitely possible, a few commenters mentioned that. But it’s all about the multipoint.

[@pres589]

@@DeadDodgeGarage Hear you on multipoint and makes perfect sense. Really enjoy your channel, as always. Your brother's Fury reminds me of my '64 Savoy from a thousand years ago and what it could have turned into.

[@noddaz]

I hope this helps. You probably did read it, but maybe not. Just like a connection directly to the battery. Anyway, per the Ace manual. 14.0 Idle Setting Once the engine is warmed up, the idle speed can be set to what is desired. Select the Tuning tab. Find the target hot idle speed. Move the button left and right to adjust it. Click the button to save the new value or select CANCEL at the bottom to move out of this screen. Whether you change the target idle or not, you need to set the throttle plates on the throttle body to an optimal 33 position. To do so, with the engine running, select the Monitor tab. You will see the Idle screen. Look at the “IAC Position” value. This value should be between 6 and 20 with the engine in neutral and up to operating temperature. Also make sure the “TPS” shows 0. If it is not, you need to perform a TPS Zero Learn by selecting wizards and tps Autoset from the menu. If the “IAC Position” value is zero, you must close the throttle plates until it reads a value of 6-20. Slowly turn the throttle shaft adjustment screw counterclockwise on the throttle body. If the IAC position is “stuck” at zero, it is likely that the engine is idling at a higher speed than you have set for the target idle speed. You need to adjust the throttle plates to resolve this issue. If the “IAC Position” value is greater than 20, it is a good idea to open the throttle plates until the “IAC Position” value is between 6 and 20. Do this by turning the throttle shaft adjustment screw clockwise. Note that if you open the throttle plates such that the “TPS” position goes above zero, you will need to shut the vehicle off and perform a TPS Zero Learn. Then, restart the vehicle and continue adjusting the throttle plates. Once the TPS goes above zero, the ECU goes out of its “idle” mode and will lock the IAC position to a fixed value. When the adjustments are completed, make sure the TPS reads 0 with the engine idling. Again, I hope this helps. That looks like a great project.

[@st4rd3str0y3r]

I'll do Jamie's job for him here, because you seem to be blind and deaf: The car does not run. It will not reach operating temperature, and idles with this system on it for a total of 0(ZERO) seconds. as a result he cannot "with the engine running, select the Monitor tab". Because, as you can see in the video, it does not run.

[@deathtrapgarage506]

y'know, if he's going through the trouble of troubleshooting the whole system and sending components back to ACES, I'm preeeeeettttyyyy sure he read the instructions.

[@noddaz]

@@st4rd3str0y3r And I thank you for answering for Jamie. I realize my post was a bit of TLDR, but I wanted to list the whole idle set up instructions. The most relevant part (at least to me) is the throttle plate and TPS set up. Please look at this part again: Once the TPS goes above zero, the ECU goes out of its “idle” mode and will lock the IAC position to a fixed value. When the adjustments are completed, make sure the TPS reads 0 with the engine idling. You read that correctly, once the TPS goes above zero the ECU goes out of it's idle mode. So if the TPS is set wrong, the engine will not idle. Do the other problems stem from here? Unknown.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

It doesn’t matter where I set the throttle blades for idle speed if the system will not inject any fuel. I am WELL familiar with this process. Thank you.

[@blahblah4125]

Is it just me, or is Jamie a agressively annoyed with commenters. To all the negative commenters, give the guy a break. He provides informative and enjoyable content weekly for free. Watch and enjoy like I do. Thanks for what you share Jamie and there are those that actually appreciate what you do. Aaaand remember.....he would rather push a MOPAR than drive a Ford!

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

It’s not just you 🤣 on today’s episode, Jamie rages at all sorts of people, places and things

[@tomfry131]

Jamie you really need to let the keyboard warriors living rent free in your head. I have been watching you about 5 to 6 yrs. You are a very smart person in your field. I enjoy every video you put out.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

All I’ll say is that I’ve only been doing this for 3 so far - though it does kinda feel like a lifetime. Thank you!

[@packatk7431]

I know now I'll never ever ever ever convert any of my carburetted vehicles to EFI, ever. Thanks Jamie! Lesson learned.

[@adamtrombino106]

I'm completely with you as far as the 100lb injectors. If that unit has 65s in it, but the ecu is programmed for 100s, when it knocks down pulse width after the start, you run out of fuel. You could crank the feed pressure to the moon, but it would make no difference, the actual inj flow isn't there. I hope they straighten the ecu out. It's almost as if they sent the wrong unit, twice..

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

That’s exactly what I think is happening. Wish I’d known I could reflash it at home before I furiously ripped it off and threw it back in the box.

[@Rvshadow1964]

You have a lot more patience than I do, I would drop the carb on it and never look back. I should learn more patience since I do daily drive a 41 year old B350.

[@jeffhutchins7048]

Just for the record, I NEVER said, or THOUGHT, you didn't understand EFI. In fact, I'm absolutely positive you know MORE about them than I do!😊😊😊

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

I’m not keeping a list or anything. You’re fine 😅

[@jeffhutchins7048]

😂😂😂

[@DWGarageProject]

Sweet! Theres a Signet like this but non turbo slant 6 all fixed up nice at the shop right now. I work at a chassis and suspension shop where my project truck is. Theres also a 50s Plymouth Fury at the shop too

[@Foxcanfixit]

WOOOO!!! This is exciting!

[@mikeleuk]

Thanks Jamie, for all the videos

[@jimsargent3932]

Jamie, love this build. I wanted to chime in on your TBI issues. Ive had the MSD and now the Aces set up on my mild build 440. While I have it running decent now I had very similar experience with their tech support. I will say dont bother with their spark control. It simply doesnt work. Im on the second ECU and 3rd handheld. It seems like they are guessing sometimes and ive gone as far as show them issues with the system on a scope. Yours looks like a different issue with fuel. I will say they update the software often. You might have a bad version. Its worth trying to flash different versions. Oh but btw not all versions work with their latest hardware either. Not sure if they still offer older versions on their web page, if they dont I have a few that ive had luck with I can share if yant to try. I know you love advice so if your running the aces off of the msd tach wire, don't. Run the msd off the point wire from the aces. Set the aces to magnetic pickup and not ignition box. Best of luck, Keep up the good work!

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

I’m on the Killshot Classic, and I don’t believe it is capable of taking the distributor signal that way? I *believe* it only has the one wire tach input connection. But I could be wrong. Also… wow. I think you’re right in your appraisal of what they know and don’t know. I know my next couple steps, and I will keep this in mind. Thanks!

[@jimsargent3932]

I think I misspoke on the wiring now I'm thinking about it. I do know I basically completely bypassed the aces ecm spark control. So I'm pretty sure I wired it like standard msd box wiring and used the tack out from msd to tack in on the aces like you said. It seems like your unit doesn't know it started, but I see you have a tach signal on the handheld. Weired. Anyways good luck I'm curious if you get this monster running on the aces setup. Like I said mine runs good now but I will say it doesn't Rev right up as it should like on a carb. If I nail it, it will bog lean. I've yet to tune that out of it and I'm on the fence of getting deeper in tuning it, or pitch it for a carb. Rock on!

[@Troy440Dodge]

Nightmares like this make my retirement so much more enjoyable. And justified.

[@bookofrevelation4924]

You can easily drill a couple holes in a rain gutter downspout band from Home Depot for $1.70, and wrap it around the broken relay to screw it back securely to the fender.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Another relay is barely more than that. Haha.

[@Huffy_Turns_a_Wrench]

I like this build Jamie..... keep it going!!

[@pcbullets8726]

What a pain this ended up being. Sorry you had to deal with that bull. This is why I hate modern stuff. Hopefully you get this dialed in so you can go have fun with this car.

[@TAVOAu]

Hey! I have those T handle bolts on my Hemi 6. Your viewers have no taste Jamie. 😆 @ 5:10, you just described me to a tee. I admit, I haven't seen the earlier videos, but that fabrication looks great, even by your standards. I am here to offer no further advice. Now I need 🍕🍕 I envy your patience, I wouldn't have lasted half the time you've invested.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

Thank you TAVO!

[@OldsmobileSBRocket]

Don't let them get you down. My EFI guy suggested the Terminator over the Aces due to interesting programming on their part. I moved my Terminator X Max inside my 70 Cutlass S, rather than under the hood in a box. Marrying the custom tune and enabling the 4L80E control for some reason killed my automatic fuel prime, glorious EFI. Did you check out the Torque Storm supercharged Slant 6 build? I added extra ring gap in my Olds 350 build since Torque Storm makes an Olds V8 kit😊

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

That’s unfortunate. I’ve seen it as it has come together, yes. Neat stuff.

[@stevedavis2391]

Hey Jamie I do have what I feel may be a usefull tip. My mom has the same pattern on her plate set. Given my experience with eating pizza on them, those slices would be much improved by adding more cheese. Those looked a little dry. Given the fueling issue I would strongly recommend a shredded Colby Jack blend.

[@DeadDodgeGarage]

That actually makes a lot of sense. I will keep that in mind for next time I’m hungry. Thanks!