Dealership Gave Up On This $18,000 UTV Bought At Auction. How Bad Could It Be?

I buy a 2021 Odes Dominator 1000cc UTV from the dealership. How bad could it be? #UTV, #Fix,
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[@tomdombrovski432]

My 2 cents…plastic gear failed causing it to overheat and starve oil, which caused bearings failure and cylinder distortion. Great video, I enjoy your videos joe!

[@bradrobert6574]

the egged pistons seen that a time or twelve

[@nalegtx8336]

Warped rod bearings binding along with warped pistons. Overheat due to gear failure, continued to run motor until it died

[@RNB102]

Yeah I agree Tom.I cannot fathom why a lot of manufacturers are using plastic gears for critical components like timing gears and oil / distributor drives. Crazy and unreliable.

[@danielpratt7373]

@RNB102 I think It's called planned obscolesence. Corporations figured out there's no money in making things that last anymore. 😔 Planned obsolescence is a business strategy where products are designed to become obsolete or break down quickly, with the goal of encouraging consumers to buy new products. This strategy has been used for many types of consumer products, including: Cars Electronics Household appliances Software Fashion

[@tomthomas4444]

I agree with you Tom. Can't believe the junk these company's are putting out.

[@agcom1]

Thank you for continuing to post. You wouldn't believe the entertainment value. I sometimes play your videos when my 89 year old mother visits. She loves the whodunnit type programmes, so we play the same game: "It's the spark plugs...no, it's the coil". "Ah , but is it electrical, fuel or compression?" "Oh it must be the carb' etc, etc" For an 89 year old she's nearly nailed it a few times. So thank you again from my savvy mum and a grateful son! (especially when it saves me endless hours of discussion about her neighbours)

[@YouriCarma]

Love that story bro. And for some reason seeing and hearing 2vintage calmly doing his search for the mystery fail calms me down.

[@jmail7946]

crank bearings or rings are binding against bore

[@agcom1]

@@jmail7946 Yeah. That's what my mum always says!

[@Puffdaddy-j1y]

That’s awesome.

[@JoePhounders]

Buddy of mine was in the market a few weeks back for a UTV. He was at our local farm supply store looking at a Massimo. After watching these videos on this Chinese junk, I told him to run! Told him about all the plastic gears and low hour failure. Found him a used Can Am Defender with a plow for a great price. Couldn't be happier. 👍

[@felixcat9318]

@@JoePhounders You saved him from huge financial loss, a machine which won't work and immeasurable frustration! He has a good friend in you.

[@Christian-ew4eg]

Gotta admire Joe for his skillset . Not only does he hound down a lot of "bargains" , he knows how to "trouble-shoot/diagnose issues" , all the while staying calm and collected (Hmm , 🤔 ) . First port of call when I put my feet up after yet another nightshift 👍 . Can't wait to see part 2 . Cheers from Christiano the Sampler in Australia 👍

[@DanielTHutton]

There's plastic in all the name brand stuff to unfortunately

[@JoePhounders]

@DanielTHutton 100% correct. Found a plastic water and oil pump gear in a KTM 300 I just worked on last week. 👎👎👎

[@JoePhounders]

@felixcat9318 thank you for your gentlemanly comment. I appreciate that. 🙏

[@timbills5740]

Oh and one other thing. I admire that you don’t quit and aren’t afraid to just keep trying until you figure it out.

[@tracysellman1562]

Joe dude I am telling you, if someone with an aluminum CNC machine would make these gears out of Billet aluminum (Not BS nylon) and sell them as an aftermarket performance upgrade, they would make a killing and you are 100% right, same issue as the other one. Good catch.

[@jjh130]

Machining parts.....I was thinking the same thing.

[@QBRX]

@@jjh130 me too.

[@jeffkulessa9398]

Joe, I enjoy all of your videos just keep them coming. My opinion is there must be some method of compression release on this large engine. You should look for something that does this.

[@michaelbrinks8089]

@@tracysellman1562 That or if it was possible to quickly & cheaply 3D print a 2 or 3x stronger than stock gear. In ebike motors, the stock nylon gears get replaced with metal ones when they break...$18,000 for a utv with plastic gears is BS.

[@danielpospisil1192]

@@mostlymotorized I completely agree! I have the impression that a Chinese child on the assembly line dropped a pacifier into the engine while assembling the timing belts. Well, let's see how it went, I'm curious..

[@Chris_Lastname]

My guess is, the internals have been bone dry, ever since that plastic gear broke. Can't turn over without lube. Also that main battery lead needs replacing. The dealer guy only changed the solenoid side, which isn't connected to the battery. Good luck with it Joe, you got this

[@johnb5519]

A four brush starter is more powerful, it looks like they cheaped out using a two brush starter. Spin the oil pump with a drill to see if oil pumps up to the top end.

[@theshiv5288]

For only 500 miles this manufacturer appears to be pretty bad. And for $18,000.00 it’s absolutely criminal. Godspeed brother if anyone has the patience to sort this out it’s you.

[@walk4718]

He’s had a great string of wins; bound to encounter a turd at some point 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@curtjohnson660]

He's a pretty good mechanic and have nothing against him, but I believe this is the third fairly new Massimo with relatively low mileage and all three of them have had problems, that's not a coincidence.. and the plastics on that thing are just ugly for the most part.. it's definitely a machine with some inferior parts..

[@jdh6200]

@@curtjohnson660 cause its from china

[@curtjohnson660]

@@jdh6200 👍

[@Christian-ew4eg]

Totally agree , re: the expletive I assume you deleted between really and bad . Joe's obviously a very hard worker who hunts down the "bargains" and has the knowledge/experience to make a decent wage , all the while staying calm in the face of adversity saying " Hmm 🤔 ". Cheers mate , Christiano the Sampler in Australia, all the best 👍

[@Andy_Hinners]

56:55 When cranking with the oil/water pump cover off, it looked like there was significant blow by from the rear cylinder. It was puffing out of the case.

[@rustrenegade8191]

case pressure from the piston traveling back down the bore.

[@Andy_Hinners]

@@rustrenegade8191 Makes sense, thanks.

[@scott3708]

So at 10:19 there's ya clue. Melted starer cables = over draw on starter. What causes starter to draw too much current? Decompression broke or engine friction.

[@MrCelticatheart]

could not agree more!

[@ethous1]

I agree 100% with that statement if the wires are burned, you being to have a resistance plus add oil starvation, not a good mix.

[@michaelbrinks8089]

​@@mostlymotorized Had a neighbor with a riding lawnmower that had a minor problem. Who then burned the starter up & melted wire by cranking it non stop while hooked up to battery charger. When it was something simple like the carburetor just cleaned out.

[@matthewfort3740]

It's time for a full tear down. It might have a spun bearing due to oil starvation because of the gear being messed up. With all that plastic in the engine, you will need to clean out all the oil passages.

[@speedfreak8200]

Spun bearing? They don't have automotive type bearings

[@QBRX]

@@speedfreak8200 They don't?

[@billarmstrong7155]

S bad as i hate it for you i think matt is right

[@RoyN-h1h]

To everyone one watching, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 👍

[@nigelb50]

To you also

[@DenHvideHund]

You too buddy

[@michellecarberry1020]

Merry Christmas from Newfoundland

[@bigjay6743]

Merry Christmas northern Ontario

[@nigelb50]

North Wales, UK

[@StevenLetham-vu4kg]

This is the best thing on KZbin absolutely love it, looking forward to the next episode

[@michaellacharite9791]

and we wait for part 2 after Christmas.. always fun to see the follow-up repairs. Happy Holidays everyone!!

[@BA0701]

Brother, first off, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Given this is two straight UTVs with almost the exact same issue, but very different causes, there is nobody better to solve this puzzle. Love your videos, very educational, thank you for always sharing them with us!

[@Kiltylake]

The voltage goes down because the starter is drawing down the voltage. If you want to check the solenoid check voltage drop across the two terminals when cranking. It should be close to zero volts.

[@C-C-777]

Times like this a borescope would really help Joe.... Merry Christmas everyone!🎉

[@ListerineFresh]

I haven’t cared about quads since the 90s and I love these videos. Each one is a mystery I’m trying to solve myself. Good job Joe!

[@brianmooney7009]

Merry Christmas to all the 2vintage subscribers. Damn plastic gears. wtf.

[@mathewparker5179]

Can’t say anything about the plastic gears on these Chinese bikes, I took apart my 07 Honda TRX 450r and it has a plastic oil pump drive gear I was like wtf, I did order a billet gear to replace it, but but it was just annoying to see a plastic gear on a very crucial part like the oil pump drive

[@tmangamingx]

well I am hooked thought I would never say this about any video and in the 5 or 6 years I have been watching You Tube videos. But once I start your videos I can''t stop. I have to see the video to the end. The way you have the knowledge to disect engines in your mind and then work out why it doesn't start. I just enjoy watching the way you work. Keep up the good content and the hard work you put into your videos. Thaks for sharing your experience with us.

[@dougaranda6187]

I love that you put out a new video about every third day, but kick back with some eggnog and a beer or two this week. You’ve definitely earned a break.

[@paulchristensen6722]

He loves this to much to take a break….. I expect we will be rewarded with a video over the holidays😂

[@speedfreak8200]

Don't tell people what they should do

[@dougaranda6187]

@ 🙄

[@paulchristensen6722]

@@speedfreak8200 huh? What am I I missing here

[@davessparetime83]

I am surprised you didn't pay more attention to the dry valvetrain on that one cylinder. Hope valves weren't open when you cranked the motor with that cylinder timing chain off.

[@danelldecker3696]

Having a friend that works in the dealership really helps with finding those brand new projects. You’re getting quite the collection of SxS impressive indeed

[@gutsngorrrr]

When testing things like the earth connection, you need to test it with a loaded circuit, such as using a test light, as this will show a poor connection better than just checking the resistance. For a heavier load use car headlight bulbs and make your own test kit.

[@peterh2224]

Hey bud. Have to comment and say you do mechanics proud. Troubleshooting is 9/10 of fixing things. The first thing I noticed and was screaming at the screen was that wire from the battery to the solenoid is melted. The wire is melted as well. I've done too many repairs on things and have seen the same thing. The voltage will be the same, but the amperage will drop. When the plugs are out, the load on the wiring is less, hence the starter spins faster. Put the plugs in, the rotational speed drops, load back on. To test this theory, crank engine over with plugs in and see if that melted wire is getting hot. My guess is that's the problem.

[@russellgilson4072]

Joe your measured approach to find the problem is informative. No doubt in my mind you'll find the problem and resolve the issue! Happy Holidays

[@kellykramer2237]

The deadskip while it is cranking sounds like piston issue. Maybe oil starved and worked into the cylinder wall. Great videos!

[@michaelbrinks8089]

Ya, I would have used a bore scope camera when the plugs were out.

[@stanRmeyer]

@@michaelbrinks8089 yes in the past I have suggested Joe use a borescope and show us the inside of cylinders

[@michaelbrinks8089]

@stanRmeyer Ya, the compression gauge can give compression but the bore scope can give a much better idea of what's going on inside the cyl.. It could also come in VERY handy when buying (or selling) a bike. The spark plug is quick & easy to remove & only takes a few seconds to look inside with a scope 🆚 the much longer process of using a compression guage.

[@MrRupus2020]

You're spoiling everyone with all of these videos. An Odes! Awesome! Basically a Cf Moto.

[@neutonrenda2303]

What a bad idea with that plastic gear again. I'm thinking that an oil journal is blocked maybe causing it to starve one of the bearings, or the lack of the pump would definitely be a problem if it ran long enough to melt the guide. Looking forward to seeing what you find. Merry Christmas to everyone.🎄❤️

[@stanRmeyer]

When I saw the water pump gears, I thought, uh-oh piston and cylinder walls are scarred, lots of friction.

[@charlesgraham9954]

back in the mid 2000 i fought tooth and nail with Kawasaki over a Mule i purchased. took me 18 months to get my money back for that lemon that didn't even work a week, then another two years fixing my credit due to default on payment for that pile of sh!t. i never bought a Kawasaki product again. Kawasaki made it feel like i was dealing with a shady used car salesman. great vid as always.

[@JoePhounders]

@charlesgraham9954 I repaired a buddies 1995 John Deere 320 lawnmower that lost total compression. 20hp Kawasaki engine. Found it had a nylon cam gear with 80% of the teeth sheared off. This crap has been happening for a very long time. Harley Davidson used nylon gears post 2012. You've been warned!!

[@Puffdaddy-j1y]

Thanks for letting me know this about Kawasaki. Smh

[@JoePhounders]

@@Puffdaddy-j1y 👍

[@JoePhounders]

@@Puffdaddy-j1y Deere offers a steel replacement for $235

[@michaelbrinks8089]

​@@JoePhounders I hear some people in the comments defending the use of these nylon gears 😂 Claiming there's nothing wrong with them. Yet BMWs ALWAYS break down early because of all the plastic parts & gears they use. A plastic gear in the odometer of my Chevy S10 is what broke & stopped the odometer at a little over 100K miles. If it can't last much over 100K miles in an odometer. How is it going to last 100K inside an engine? 😂 Only place it should be used, is somewhere easy to change & that won't damage the engine if it breaks. Also to be used in a sacrificial gear situation that will break 1st & shut down the engine if something else breaks to prevent major engine damage. Instead of metal gears sending metal gear shavings through the engine.

[@jacopodenicola]

Joe, I love your uncrushable faith in some good luck with the $3k UTV! When the video was starting I thought:"I'm gonna go out on a limb here and make a wild prediction..."😂 Happy holidays everyone!!! And long live @2vintage

[@realliferepair9285]

If that cam chain guide is worn bad enough the chain could still feel tight but it may be throwing it out of time during rotation so you have a valve not opening at the right time,just a thought.

[@greghanlon2235]

Wow. "Based on information from the Better Business Bureau, ODES Industries, the company behind ODES UTVs, is considered to be out of business." Best of luck with the Odes lemon. Thanks for the video and take of your back.

[@donscott6431]

We know that the engine got BEYOND hot. I say pull the engine and disassemble. With the quality level of the pieces we’ve seen used, there is no telling what may have happened inside. You wouldn’t think so, but warped metal pieces due to intense heat could be the issue. Closing tolerances inside may have galled cheap metal surfaces. Maybe it got hot, STARTED having some problems so they changed the oil. Once metal surfaces BEGIN to be affected it may have gotten worse AFTER changing oil. I think you’ll see blue rods and crap crank journals😢

[@felixcat9318]

That someone actually paid $18,000 for that in 2021is really quite difficult to comprehend! The depreciation rate is of a magnitude far lower than the Journey of Jules Verne...

[@CJRSBK]

Cheap shit as well so badly made

[@wisecampmotorcycles8258]

Yep, Chinese junk 😂

[@frenchbulldogdad1003]

I just watched a video the other day on the Can Am Outlander 1000XMR and it was almost $20,000! That's absolutely fckn insane! These companies are charging ridiculous prices!

[@felixcat9318]

@@frenchbulldogdad1003 Strangely, people will pay these ludicously exorbitant prices and be subject to the catastrophic depreciation costs. At least with established, respected manufacturers from Japan, Canada and the USA the buyer gets a quality product, but buying Chinese manufactured machines at those prices is insanity.

[@felixcat9318]

@CJRSBK This is absolutely spot on! Paying a higher price for a machine from an established, respected manufacturer from the USA, Canada or Japan is understandable, but for these Chinese made vehicles, no way.

[@LilYeshua]

I'll go get some popcorn for the next video. Same bat time same bat channel 😅

[@minnesotatomcat]

I don’t hate that flip up front end design, makes it very nice for maintenance when everything is accessible. This one seems a little more well thought out than most china rigs.

[@miker1448]

Seems much easier than the last Chinses made one he worked on.

[@RT-vo2vh]

I searched quick and immediately saw horror stories about this machine failing 50 diff ways with low low miles ... but you get to sit on a heated seat as you cry about the $18k loan thats still due 😢😢

[@Toolman999999]

My guess is the connecting rod bearing is done. Under compression load, it tightens. The engine has to been running for a long time without oil pressure until it overheated. Therefore, the attached waterpump parts.

[@JoePhounders]

Completely agree. Hopefully the cylinder isn't scored all to hell.

[@shuttle357]

I'm starting to think Massimo's quality is junk! I see more & more of their stuff breaking down!

[@Puffdaddy-j1y]

You are just starting to think that? I don’t trust a single Chinese engine/ vehicle

[@hulashark6525]

Merry Christmas. Wish I could tell how much I use your wisdom. Keep up the awesome work.

[@buffdoc46]

Starter is still slow, but it may have overheated and hurt the bearings for sure. Lack of oil and heat.

[@MM_in_Havasu]

The oil pump idler gear failure caused both overheating and oil starvation. You bearings in the bottom end are likely spun, or in the process of doing so. Great video, look forward to the next installment! Thanks Joe!

[@philjenkins2320]

In a previous episode with these plastic gears a sub wrote that he had a machine shop make him steel gears. Maybe its time to look into that. Merry Christmas Joe and to all the subs! And to Vinny too.

[@Cracketooth]

What about george, The baby. And jade?

[@williamrarick6272]

Wish I could find those deals!! lol Merry Christmas!! Just a note, your voltage is not going be the same cranking as it is at rest. IF the problem is compression release, the starter is having to work harder than it normally would. Voltage will drop approximately 2 volts during cranking, up to 3 volts on the initial starter engagement IF everything is normal. If it is cranking slowly the FIRST thing to check is what the amperage draw is. The harder it is to crank, the higher the amperage draw, the more voltage it will use. Voltage and amperage reflect each other. It probably is the compression release, but remember it could also be the starter. IF the starter is worn out due to excessive cranking, the starter itself could be the cause of the excessive draw. Have a good one!!

[@CJRSBK]

You wouldn't want to they look good but they are rubbish....so badly made cheap shit

[@timpattee3326]

Mine went down after 63 miles. Replaced stater, shifting cable, transmission and all wiring harnesses. The final straw was it when t into a limp mode and wouldn't start after shutting it down. Had to use a screwdriver on the solenoid .Drove it for 2 months out of the first 2 years I owned it. Had a fantastic dealer that went to bat for me, even though he purchased the dealership in the midst of my issues. After all repairs, it runs like a top. Shout out to Odyssey Motor Sports in Hayden, ID.

[@darylmc123]

Been watching Joe for years but in the last few years his videos keep on coming he should well be on 1miln subs 👌 merry Xmas and new year when it comes 🎉to

[@nickgruber2593]

Nice I was just watching your old video on a $2500 Yamaha banshee! Keep it up 👍

[@petercyprian3096]

Great methodology. Covered the basics very well- power, grounding, voltage to solenoid, and starter function. Attacking the engine- Fuel, Air, Spark, Timing. Compression but no decompression....exhaust valves on #2? Stuck valve? Exhaust system plugged up? Something is keeping pressure in the cylinder- cannot be the intake valve or you would not get compression in the first place, so it must be somewhere in the exhaust system- exhaust valve or plugged exhaust system. Since it appears to behave the same way on both sides, I would think it is the exhaust is plugged- check by removing plug from one side and seeing how it cranks, put the plug back in and remove the other, see how it cranks. If there is a noticeable difference, it is an exhaust valve. If there is no difference, probably exhaust is plugged. Air comes in but cannot get out, just my $0.02 worth. Again, great methodology- I loved it! Good luck to you!

[@paulym5814]

I’d never waste a dime on one of these Chinese money pits.

[@GMCGUY-]

Same here paul These things aren't worth $3000 in my opinion.

[@petemartus6712]

You would nt for what he paid for it.i would of jumped all over it foo!

[@petemartus6712]

I'd love to make money on china's garbage!

[@petemartus6712]

You

[@Puffdaddy-j1y]

Completely agree.

[@jetstreek17]

Nothing like a clif hanger.. thanks for all the hard work Joe.. Merry Christmas

[@glennbelliveau169]

Only 500 miles shouldn’t it still be under warranty? Least you should get free parts. You’ll figure it out. Let your subconscious work on the problem for a little while. Love your videos, have a happy holiday Joe.

[@mikemorton6219]

Not if it I'd a repo.

[@greathornedowl3644]

Wow, failure yet so new and low miles. Much braver than most of us. Thanks for the teaching and learning moments

[@kpdvw]

$ 18000 is the price for a Car with heater, AC, windows, doors. not some half plastic open lawn chair lawn mower engine powered PoS....!

[@anthonyhumbert8787]

18,000 is cheap for a new side-by-side. Some of the Can-Ams are $35k+.

[@Getoutandexplore777]

@@anthonyhumbert8787that’s not his point, he’s saying there’s no justification in price when you can get a literal brand new vehicle for that price. Hell I got my truck with 94k miles on it for 14 thousand. 18k is ridiculous & 30k is absurd

[@anthonyhumbert8787]

@@Getoutandexplore777 you're not getting a brand new vehicle for $18,000.

[@Getoutandexplore777]

@@anthonyhumbert87872024 Nissan versa msrp of $17,500 & if your negotiating skills are good, you can do even better than that

[@anthonyhumbert8787]

@@Getoutandexplore777 you're not getting a new truck for $30,000 either. You might be able to get a two-wheel drive base model work truck for $40k

[@seasonmechanic]

I believe you got a dry bearing issue . I had that on a 22RE toyota one time . I finally pulled the engine and the crank was toast . I had it turned and installed a new oil pump, packed oil pump with Vaseline , prelubed engine through the oil pressure sensor and she turned easy and cranked !

[@kpdvw]

all the time I am screaming: "Pull the spark plug out and see how fast it cranks " !!!

[@richardsantiago1397]

Happy holidays Joe . Thanks for another great video!

[@Andy_Hinners]

57:42 to 57:53 There is something visible that is rotating with the engine. However, keep watching after Joe quits cranking there is something else that sags down almost 1/2 inch. Look through the slot on the RHS of the area covered by the case he's removed

[@Mrjazzzery]

bruh i cant wait please post part two when it ended i was scrolling down in suspense hoping this was an old video with a conclusion already lmfaof

[@joshwilson8313]

You sounded really disappointed that the starter looked perfect lol

[@cylewinkler916]

No they don't have a decompression mechanism. Also you can take the bracket off with the airbox. I'm currently working on a 800 that is having the same issue. But on the 800 only time it's hard to turn over is when the rear cylinder has compression

[@Silent-Lucidity]

I'd call the manufacturer and show them what you found. I bet they'd provide a new engine.

[@troyrenfroe8804]

My thoughts and experiences, Chinese oil on a molecular diagnosis is sub par. Chinese plastics on a macromelecular level is also subpar. If i had to guess, the machine was cold started and ran hard trying to push sub par cold oil lubricating sub par plastic causing the chain of events.

[@LilYeshua]

I would upgrade the battery and starter cables to a meatier gauge. There shouldn't be that much of a voltage drop with the properly sized cables. The starter could be defective. The fact that the battery cable insulation is melted shows high current draw. Is there an oiling spray bar for the cam chain?

[@user-mp2qj6rs9c]

Bingo I'm screaming that sounds like a bad starter all day

[@johnb5519]

Disconnect the power to the starter from the solenoid and then check the voltage. The starter straining causes a voltage drop, that's why the reading is low when you were cranking it.

[@1990smitch]

Im thinking that it quit oiling and dried out the cylinder and the piston is dragging from lack of oil

[@IDT69]

You would hear it when the plugs are out and it’s cranking faster

[@DunnMotors]

Nice, way to search out the problem. I would have threw a starter and batter In it and kept trying to start it 😆 I would of thought it was a weak starter from stressing it so long. I had that issue but it was a Honda civic. That's why I'm not a mechanic though.

[@Niljakas_Paskamaha]

Good Luck and Merry Christmas 🎅🎅🎅🎅🎅

[@dennisbagatin4480]

The name under the vin says it all lol.

[@1990smitch]

They have came a long way with quality, I've have several side by side both Chinese and Polaris and the name brand has left me stranded more than my off market ones

[@robinanderson9833]

Kinda upset. First time I got on my phone to watch you and it asked me to SUBSCRIBE. I’ve been a subscriber of yours for at least 4 years.!!! WTH..?! Before you had “the land”.! Most people call it the property! Lmao.. I’ve laughed out loud every time you say “the land”. Loved watching you grow up!

[@fluxline3464]

no oil on the cam chain edit, he gets to that

[@NigelHalford-k7h]

You can’t rest now, I need to know if the bearings are tight😂😂. Great content and I like your logical approach. Best of luck and look forward to your next video. 👍🇬🇧

[@almostthere2024]

You are pumping them out, brother. Love it. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@wisecampmotorcycles8258]

Two videos a week ain't pumping them out bro 😅

[@almostthere2024]

Well, hey there, shade guy. He's been on a great run over the past couple of weeks. These hour-long episodes are great, and I'm sure they take a fair bit of work to crank out. Just throwing some gratefulness his way. Merry Christmas, guy.

[@almostthere2024]

... it's been three episodes in the last 6 days....

[@Seansworld17]

You can place a dial indicator in the spark plug hole with the piston at TD center and turn the crank back and forth by hand that will tell you how much play is between the bearing to crank and or connecting rod.

[@dinosaur6756]

A $16k payment? Knowing dealers, he probably owed more than $20k after all the b.s. fees and bogus warranties they add on. Hopefully, it's just too high compression, making it crank slow, and it's an easy fix. Decompression mechanism, valves too tight, or timing adjustment might just fix her right up. Good luck. Btw, heated seats? Imagine that while ice fishing. I think this one would be a keeper for me because of the heated seats. Sell two others and keep this one. You might even be able to get your beautiful wife to come with you more often with heated seats.

[@tonyaxeman4381]

The effect of a road beating before total break in. The lack of oil to that one cylinder is the main cause . The head looks a bit roasted and toasted .

[@97delkron]

on harley/ss engines they use electric decompression valves. start button energizes solenoid that opens a small valve in head which bleeds off compression while cranking. when engine starts release start button and compression closes the valve, i have no clue what type of system this machine has but i would think it has some type of decompression system. but... with no functioning water/oil pump..... i have very little hope the bottom end survived.

[@michaelapodaca5296]

I was thinking the same thing. Harley starting using a electic solenoid type decompression valve, I believe with the 103 cid engines.

[@fast22fast]

Joe, I am confident you will figure this out and make a killing on it. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!!

[@bigjay6743]

That's the highest mileage I've ever seen in one of those.

[@dieseldoc25]

Voltage drop test across the cables would tell you more than open circuit voltage. In volt mode put one lead on either end of the cable, crank the engine. The number shown is the drop across the cable. Think of volt mode as a "difference meter"

[@DjBud_VinD]

You have many UTV's in your lot now lol ;P (may need to build a big shed or maybe put up a big army tent for them) love it. hi5

[@keyper555]

Yup, looks like a complete teardown on this one, I tend to agree with you, rod bearing due to massive oil or coolant failure. But know you once you tear it apart you will see what happened, she def got hot, very hot to melt that guide and gears. Can't wait to see what you find. Merry Christmas to you and your family Joe!

[@dowdawg]

500 miles no oil or water. Still have high compression. You can only assume bad bearings. But what caused gears to fail? You gotta go till you find cause, or risk it doing it again after putting all the work in. When things fail at 500 miles, could be as bad as motor being built out of specs? Should be some factory help in paying for Repair!!

[@bobb6342]

It’s Chinese so good luck in that !,

[@edekoka6267]

There is an electrical fault somewhere because the thick cable insulation has melted. A large current was probably flowing through the wire before the fuses.The starter rotor touches the stator.The high current drags the rotor under load.The corrosion is visible on the stator.

[@brealdeal3658]

One thing I wanted to mention about the starter… Excessive Heat can Severely weaken Magnets, even though it looks like you are finding other issues with this machine. I use to rebuild electric motors and also use to recharge magnet housings, on a much larger scale. I have seen people ruin starters from trying to start machines over and over when there was a separate issue causing a machine not to start.

[@Thedoors432]

I wish I knew more about all the electrical issues and solving them. When he goes from the positive terminal to the frame to ground what is that telling us? Also going to the engine for ground? Anymore insight on that Joe?

[@TrumpDesantis-zm3kg]

Are you really surprised it broke down after 500 miles? It's made in CHINA!!!

[@SimonVA99]

As a European, if you asked me 5 years ago if I would be driving an American car today (or a Chinese for that matter) I would have died laughing, but here I am today driving a Tesla…

[@bigjay6743]

Honestly with those China jobs usually the engines are the only thing that last Just everything else falls apart around it. But then that's the Honda clones this is a whole new ball and chain.

[@micksterboone4517]

@@SimonVA99 Awesome car! I recently rode in one and was blown away by the engineering and performance.

[@IDT69]

I’m surprised it ran 500 miles 😂

[@khwolter9038]

Check battery voltage while cranking. Check the voltage drop from the + battery terminal to the input side terminal of the starter solenoid while cranking. Check the voltage drop from the battery - terminal to the engine block while cranking. Check the voltage drop across the starter solenoid terminals while cranking. Check the voltage drop from the output of the starter solenoid terminal to the starter + terminal while cranking. Check the voltage drop from the engine block to the starter case while cranking. You won't see poor wiring connection issues with a volt meter (Voltage drops) unless the wire is carrying its maximum operating current.

[@alexsbikesandmotors]

Its cranking slow because the crank is smoked

[@Cracketooth]

It's smoking because the crank is cranking

[@JoePhounders]

​@Cracketooth you're smoking Cracke and your tooth is missing 😂

[@mrjb8502]

Thanks for the great video! Is this a non-interference engine? I was worried the piston might hit a valve when the timing chain was removed and it was cranked it over. Maybe you also removed the cam and I missed it. I’ll enjoy seeing if the bearings are damaged in your next video.

[@eraant1]

By the looks of it that has ran for a long time with no water pump or oil pump working! The engine must have been really hot for the chain guide to melt. I would say you should take the cams out and see if there is any damage to either of the cams or the journals they run in. If there is that engine is scrap and you should probably just look for an engine.

[@davidwinklepleck1196]

I would look for the no oil problem to the half of the engine not getting oil first. Looks like compression going into the crankcase.

[@LawsonLyons-j9b]

I could be wrong but I think the starter bad

[@kirtnewton4108]

Where you said you had the same problem with another one, There definitely is an overheating problem. I wonder if the port cooling or oil is too small for flow that might’ve got overlooked a little bit on engineering or there’s a problem with water pumps and it was just a water pump that was no good. That would be the best thing I think they should convert these to light aluminum alloy instead of plastic gears even the sound of plastic gear don’t even sound good….And the water pump might be working hard because of parts are too small push ports not parts. What’s the pressure of a water pump while it’s running because of plastic gets too warm while it’s working it will break down. Love your videos, buddy.

[@MPulicci78]

I think you should buy a box truck.. move all your tools into it and turn it into a mobile repair shop.. go on the road and travel state to state meeting with viewers and fixing their shit.. film it all..see the country make friends everywhere and makes tons of cash.. I have two Brute Force 750’s that need rebuilding.. here in Southern Maine... eventually you’ll have bought every project there is in your area and will have to branch out…. lol. Merry Christmas

[@minnesotatomcat]

Joe has a wife and kid…..living on the road doesn’t work in that situation.

[@bigjay6743]

Man who would want to do that. Sleeping in your own bed at night it's priceless.

[@MPulicci78]

@ lots of people have wife and kids and travel for work. Like servicemen and woman

[@Cforce625EST]

Honestly that kind of work is not for everyone. I would absolutely dislike it with every fiber of my being personally, even though i would be okay repairing these machines at my garage.

[@shadow7796]

Maybe not live on the road, but travel to the popular trail systems and events to meet people/subscribers, offer repair services, and ride some of the good trails. He could just do that 2 or 3 times during peak riding season, and it would make for some great content. Something tells me that he doesn't realize how popular he is now in our community. I'm positive that many of us would come together and make it easier for him to plan things out and stuff. He could probably even run across a "unicorn" machine here and there to take back home with him, if he wanted to. Seems like he's pretty happy doing things as is, though. I know that I'll be watching his videos for the foreseeable future regardless.

[@cornwasher]

Check out the starter wiring and connections under load. If you are losing amperage under load.....starter drag.

[@marknieft3420]

Why you taking start apart???? It only got 500 miles. Look when you see plastic in the vale cover and the cam not getting oil. That's your sign!!!!!

[@GrowOhighO]

The battery acts like a bad cell in it and your starter solenoid is rusty replace both and it will start like new.Great video!

[@robertfield5036]

Wires melted drawing huge amps to turn the starter, my guess spun bearing in the engine