Dear Sony.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

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[@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too]

You are on to something in this video, yet so helplessly far away from the essential point. You could have found it if you asked yourself two questions. "What are the best moments in my life?" and then "Do I have any picture of it?".

[@altonmarsh]

I’ll raise a glass (it just has Coke in it) to your comment on Sony having one million items in their menus and no damn search to find the damn topic. I may be a little off on the total number of menu items.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

What you think about Xiaomi 13 ultra or Oppo x6 pro

[@luis3mgm]

Sorry, such a camera can't be on the level of the Oppo find x6 pro (Sony Xperia can't too) having the same price point.

[@-MrEVIL-]

Guys please review the xiaomi 13 ultra Please, this is the only channel that can give proper phone camera review from a photographer perspective 🙏

[@CO8848_2]

Thought this was a "we need firmware update" video

[@kadencampbell4425]

Same here haha. Why no focus breathing compensations for the Sony a1?

[@davidledgeruk]

Me too! Sony did the dirty on A1 and A7S iii users…

[@LippiVan]

haha, me too

[@SEAKPhotog]

Me too😉

[@davidledgeruk]

I know many camera reviewers have ad-hoc complained about Sonys firmware update strategy (Philip Bloom, Gerald Undone) but It hasn’t done anything. Maybe Tony and Chelsea could get the KZbinrs to unite in a last ditch effort to get Sony to perhaps listen and do the right thing?

[@xflyingtiger]

It is very easy to see the world and the market for cameras through our individual needs. I'm a perfect example: I had to give up on photography using a full frame or even a cropped sensor camera and the very heavy and expensive lenses that came with that camera market. I began photography seriously when my dad gave me his 35mm Minolta SRT Super back in 1979. I bought a great book and learned photography theory and I practiced a lot. I got good. Fast forward through decades of buying new cameras as new advances made better cameras. I went through the digital photography revolution and I finally settled on Canon high end cameras and lens. But now as a retired person, I'm very limited physically. Some us have bones that don't age well. I can no longer hike deep into the bush carrying heavy camera gear. I desperately did not want to quit taking photos. Then I discovered Olympus micro 4:3 mirrorless cameras. The mirrorless seemed to make a lot of sense to me; I mean, getting rid of mirror slap just sounded logical. But it was the weight and size that really opened my eyes. The cameras were smaller, and so were the lenses. Everything was lighter. I could hoist a camera and lens, even a telephoto lens, up to my face and take really nice photos. Considering that I share almost all of my photos on social media or text messages it really makes a lot of sense. Photography is very personal. I think we should all try to put ourselves into the shoes of others when it comes to photography. I shoot next to full frame Nikon birders, and other photographers of every stripe. As a side note, I gave my Canon gear away to a younger person who wants to learn photography. I am really happy about that. Thanks for a good show Mr. and Mrs. Northrop. You two put a lot of work into your channel and it shows.

[@muhammadluqmankhan08]

Do you hike without a backpack ?

[@michael-mvtd]

My thoughts are similar. But also, I think cost is a big advantage for Olympus/OM Systems.

[@MartyTheZebraa]

I wish I knew you. I’m looking for newer canon gear my 1Diii is now loosing its shutter and I can’t find a reasonably priced canon :/

[@mikecabe1578]

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[@Slipsch]

We also need social media to be able to accept 10-bit videos and 4k videos and higher-resolution pictures. One of the main reason why camera don't matter much anymore is because the bottleneck is with youtube, tiktok, and instagram, they are not able to show the difference in quality

[@TechnoBabble]

@Rodrigo Just fine? No. KZbin uses bitrates that are far too low for the codecs and resolutions, causing artifacts like clearly visible banding.

[@Rollotomassi099]

@Rodrigo I think the concern is youtube livestreaming...you can't upload a 4k video without a large enough bit rate/upload to support the format. Of course thats not a camera/hardware issue its a mobile data issue.

[@Slipsch]

@Rodrigo not 10 bit

[@charlesrodriguez491]

I think for that to happen, the host would expect the user to pay some sort of subscription. I think Vero handles larger pictures. Not 100% sure though.

[@Slipsch]

@@charlesrodriguez491 unless the average internet in the world and storage become so much cheaper that 4k video and full res image in social media platform can load as quick as it can now

[@louisatu-tetuh3244]

You guys are absolutely spot on with this. Last year I was looking to buy a friend of mine a camera who lives in beautiful Amalfi. He had a cellphone but the quality of the pictures from that phone were not great. With the pictures he has taken with his phone, from someone who just likes taking pictures, he's really good. His composition, lighting, and subject/moment are really good. After lots of research and thinking I came down to Fuji but he will be someone who will enjoy the experience. After further deliberation, I decided to buy him a smart phone. Because of all the reasons you guys outlined about all the other cameras. Plus the big one was how easy it is to share those pictures online especially from someone who is also busy running his business. It's quite true that camera manufacturers need a true "modern" camera to attract the "modern" photographer.

[@Daniel_Borisov]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I knew that T&C are going to ask Sony to make an Android camera. I agree with all your points and the company which makes this transition first will blow away their competitors. Samsung tried this ages ago, but smartphone cameras weren't as good as they are now and weren't competitive to cameras as now. And yes, Sony are absolutely the one company which should do this first. And they find feedback important. So fingers crossed!

[@Provid]

Yes! I want to just plug in my Sony a7 IV to a USB power cable overnight (like my phone) and have it auto upload the RAWs and JPG photos to my Google Photos account.

[@idahobob173]

Amen! Thank you for this video. I graduated from 35 mm film cameras many years ago (I'm 78) and after a series of so-so digitals, ended up with Sony A6000. I've watched and rewatched your tutorial video about that camera many times, and always come away recognizing both how far I am from true "camera nerdiness" AND how happy your instructions have made me a much better photographer. It is unlikely I'll buy an upgraded camera in this lifetime. I'm not the demographic your above video targets but I still really appreciate and am grateful for your efforts. Thank you both very much.

[@alphaxfang]

if you upgrade to newer sony apsc, the user interface wouldn't be that much different...

[@stevestruthers6180]

One thing that takes out the fun in photography is the complexity. By comparison, 35mm SLRs are dead simple, and that may well account for why film cameras are starting to experience a resurgence. One reason why Sony cameras are frustrating to use at times - and I happen to own a Sony a6600 - is that they were designed by engineers who didn't have a good sense of ergonomics and usability and therefore didn't understand how people interact with their cameras.

[@OleksandrLemberg]

Dead simple until you have to process the film on your own. You simply outsource the whole processing part and call it simple:) Such people were not photographers back then and are not photographers today. Photographers were capable to process from shooter to paper then, and not scared of today's cameras either.

[@MegiddoTheImmaculate]

@@OleksandrLemberg not to mention that film cameras don't allow you to see your exposure while shooting. If your exposure is off you have to hope you can fix it in processing. Mirrorless cameras allow you to see your exposure before you take a photo. I consider that alone to make them easier to use.

[@CianMcsweeney]

@@MegiddoTheImmaculate Film does tend to be more forgiving when it comes to highlights however, you don't need to worry as much about blowing them out

[@CianMcsweeney]

@@OleksandrLemberg Film is definitely simpler in the sense that their isn't a computer in between you and the process, it's just you, the focus tab, aperture, shutter speed and a light meter (and maybe even not that lol). It's why i personally prefer cameras like fujifilms & leica's(I admire those from afar lol)

[@chicken2613]

​​​@@OleksandrLemberg "such people were not photographers back then and are not photographers today". This is exactly the kind of elitist bullshit that keeps people out of photography. Photographers are people who take photos, sorry to burst your bubble.

[@Smithlandia]

In 2022 vinyl record sales beat CD sales for the first time since the mid 1980s. Vinyl sales have been steadily growing in popularity over the last decade in much the same way as you showed film camera sales increasing. I think this goes along with your argument that people are seeking a satisfying interactive experience with all of the media and hobbies in which they indulge.

[@colinhoward2200]

Agreed. However, there is one more thing that I am starting to come across more and more. I have found if I try to use X-T5 in certain places such as shopping malls, train stations or even some parks, I have been told by security, "cameras" are not allowed. However phones are. There is obviously a perception that if you are using what looks like a "proper" camera (for want of a better term), it immediately raises suspicions as to why you are there and what you are going to use the photos / videos for. I am not sure whether the same would be true of a camera such as an X100V or other more pocketable cameras.

[@adamgochnauer]

Same. I take photos at music shows and many mid-sized venues / festivals have the vague rule of “no professional cameras”. But photos are allowed. I usually take my Sony a6400, which I do not consider a “professional” camera, but who gets to make that judgement call? some random security guy? Some people think any camera that’s black with a removable lens is professional. It can make security get this weird attitude like “what are you doing? who do you work for?”. Whereas with an iphone or pocket camera it’s assumed that you’re taking photos for personal use.

[@colinhoward2200]

@@adamgochnauer Yeah - I am not sure small cameras have get to solve this problem. I have a feeling only phones will be acceptable in most places shortly.

[@pgy8863]

Great video. I like how you two are thinking ahead instead of just reacting to the camera manufacturers. Two points: 1. As far as ergonomics and aesthetics, after enjoying Nikon DSLRs starting in 2008, I moved to Sony for a smaller, lighter experience, first the a6x000s then the a7Rx. The Sonys have never been fun to use but they make top shelf results. As mostly an outdoor photographer, I had weather issues with my a6x000's so I bought a used Olympus EM-5m2 and OMG it's a wonderful, weatherproof experience. Like Chelsea, I have had people stop and ask me about the Oly a number of times. Never Sony, never Nikon. If only Sony could build cameras as well as Olympus we'd have more complete choices. Sony has the insides right, the outsides need work. 2. I really like your point about complex and cryptic menus - pretty much all camera manufacturers are guilty of this. One solution is to redesign the menus. Sure. But the limitation is screen size. Well, what if there was a app for your phone that additionally could walk you through the settings with all the supporting help text and graphics. When you were done, you download your setting to your camera. This app could have a beginner layer, an amateur layer and a professional layer... I bet a first year computer programmer could bang something like this out in a weekend, and the camera folks could fill in the help text in a week. Wouldn't that be a great? Thanks for your thought-provoking video.

[@BarryMaskell]

You missed one point - Your camera will last longer than your phone - I still use my g85 for 2017 but I’ve upgraded my phone twice A camera which I can own - hack the software, customise

[@llREADYll]

Everyone is forgetting a huge reason why fujifilm cameras are such a big hit..... Film Simulations. Presets/filters . People love the images they are getting without having to edit them with expensive software. No one else is talking about this either.

[@flutesofmontereypeninsula4169]

How about a fun and stylish camera that takes a SIM card? It becomes a phone where one can quickly upload photos and videos to WhatsApp, Signal, Twitter, etc.. Plus adding a microphone would allow verbal communication.

[@Toamserippa]

Regarding Tonys point about people not wanting photography to be easily accessible for newcomers: I think this is a major design flaw in a lot of us human beings, where we want others to experience the same long and hard struggles, that we had to experience ourselves. A good student should never have to struggle as hard, as his or her teacher, because it is our job to make knowledge accessible and under ideal circumstances, we can optimize our teachings with our own experience learning the ropes. Sadly many people get jealous and awkwardly defensive when newcomers or young people in general profit off things getting optimized and easier to get into.

[@gilgemash]

I agree. Teaching and good practice, and its spread is what has made and makes the world go around. Since the flintstone fire and the invention wheel (amongst million others steps and people sharing knowledge) are just two fundamental steps which enabled humans to land Perseverance and Ingenuity on Mars and fire off Voyagers 1 & 2 into deep space.... So. Let's go. Keep on keeping on. Let's all strive to be good Earthlings 🙏🌝Love from London 🧘 Also, thanking you Chelsea and Tony for sharing and educating the curious amongst us 🙏happy shooting 🙏🌈 Edit : I meant to say - Dear Chelsea and dear Tony... Because you are...to me🌞🌻🙂

[@timl.b.2095]

Well said!

[@djrease7354]

Agreed … art is art no matter what tech is used.. it’s all about getting the vision to be realized!!!

[@buning_sensations5437]

Back in highschool 80s photography the only thing that was needed was a Pentax K1000. No bells and whistles. Needed. The still are not.

[@gilgemash]

@@buning_sensations5437 yes. Pentax k1000 the best 🙏🧘

[@johnnyhwang9203]

AMEN!!! As an old, experienced photographer who gets asked for camera recommendations from budding photographers, I hate the options I have for them and have to explain the issues they WILL have with each option. It KILLS the joy of photography.

[@xflyingtiger]

I tell people to start with an inexpensive camera and learn the basics from a fairly simple book. I was so lucky to start on film cameras when everything was manual. That foundation allowed me to learn ultimately what I wanted a camera to do. So many new photographers start out with an expensive camera that just ends up sitting on a shelf.

[@despot666]

The tactile point is probably the main reason by a distance that I love Leica 35mm film cameras and the Hasselblad 500 series medium format film cameras. The experience of using them is so immersive and satisfying.

[@R0swell5104]

I think that could be said for most mechanical or semi-mechanical film cameras. I had Nikon as I could never have afforded your cameras. However for me it was the lack of tactility that was the culture shock and disappointment when going over to digital.

[@rickbiessman6084]

For me it’s my Minolta XD11. I’m kind of embarrassed to say it but I’ve literally cried thinking about how much I enjoy using it. In that respect, it beats my mirrorless cameras in a heartbeat. Sometimes I wish I could shoot on film only, period. And sure, for other people it may be a totally different type of camera that gets them excited, but the bottomline is: the experience matters so much.

[@JoeWithTheGlasses]

It's absolutely insane that most companies have not achieved a simple and easy-to-use photo transfer system between their cameras and smart phones. I keep a lightning to SD adapter in my bag because that's literally the only thing I can bother using with my Sony A7ii.

[@raulakis35]

I fully agree!! I have an 18 year old daughter and she wanted a camera... I had an olympus OM-D 10 MArk II and I told her she could have it, along with 5 lenses... and she said... no dad that is too professional ;)

[@Donbros]

Lol so she wants phone or go pro essentially

[@divinewoman]

Thanks for thinking outside the box! The handwriting was on the wall in 2014 when I first saw the full page ad for the iPhone 6 in the NYTimes. It was as good as any other imagery on full pages, all taken I’m sure with digital cameras. Since then, I have watched with amazement as my students continue to upgrade their phones - a recent student’s video blew my mind with the steadicam feature on the iPhone 14. If the end viewing is going to be small screen, it seems the iPhone can’t be beat (it can do so much more than image making). Sports and nature photos still need a long lens, but for most photos, from night shots to portraiture, the iPhone’s AI approximations of reality is what we have come to expect an image to look like.What people expect to see or create today mirrors the historic change from large glass plate negs to 35mm film - it’s just different, and portability wins 90 percent of the time, even if image quality suffers. And who thinks Cartier Bresson or Robert Frank’s grainy film images aren’t up to par? You are right to point out - the world has already changed, and camera companies need to get out their glass plate negative” mentality. [ I do have my students use film cameras and they love their phone even more after the experience of manual focus, manual exposure, not knowing if the exposure is correct, and the long processing times in the darkroom. ]

[@TroupeGoal]

I’d add that it’s not only a matter of complicated instructions that may be putting people off. To learn photography is to be made aware of a world of compromise, limits and judgements from which phone shooters are mostly insulated. You really are looking at a modest group of people who are going to be willing to spend significant sums on such items, even allowing for some of the tactile and form factor appeal that you’ve mentioned.

[@stevenunez]

Enjoyed this video, I'm not sure tactile dials are what 'newcomers' want; my daughter is 24 and fairly tech savvy and has a Canon M50 but almost never grabs it as she wants 'immediate' capture that's ready to edit and post. I think new cameras need to adopt 'AirDrop' or similar tech to transfer captured images to a cell phone without all the 'wifi/bluetooth' setup issues~ better yet build in easy wifi access for instant social media posting with some editing possibilities prior to posting- the manufacturers NEED to add this functionality into new cameras or cameras will be something only 'enthusiasts or pros' will purchase.

[@paulmitchell1580]

Yes

[@bergfi]

I have been looking for a camera for almost one year now, reading articles and reviews and watching KZbin videos, and I have not been able to make a decision for myself. Your video hit the nail on the head and summarized what I am looking for. I want the easy and simplicity of using my camera phone, in the body of a camera that is compact enough to fit in an EDC sling bag, that is not heavy and looks good, and where I actually want to take pictures. The whole thing should also not break the bank. I am not a photographer, but I want to take pictures of my friends and family, street photography, of landscapes and cityscapes during trips and travels, but also some artistically nice photos. While I want to learn the fundamentals of using aperture, shutter speeds, and ISO to take good photos, it should be easy enough to not “kill” the joy of taking pictures. Thanks for great content and keep up the good work.

[@xflyingtiger]

I love your comment except for one small thing: "I am not a photographer." Yes you are. If you push a shutter button, you are a photographer. There is a place for all of us.

[@nikoladimitrijevic8172]

Maybe you should check out Ricoh GR IIIx (40mm equivalent) if you leaning towards photographing people or Ricoh GR II or III (28mm equivalent) for more lifestile, landscapes, cityscapes... They are small and easy to carry, they also have special editions if looks are important to you. Their application works great for transferring files to a mobile phone.

[@xplore360withme]

@@nikoladimitrijevic8172 fixed lens camera can't suffice his needs, sony RX series will serve his purpose.

[@ilpoheikkila4773]

Great comment! I think some version of Olympus PEN would be good camera for you at the moment before someone makes this dream camera.

[@Viewtolove]

Check out Fujifilm XS-10 or any other Fujifilm APSC camera.

[@TheBoatmike]

I made a mistake buying a fully printed Sony manual for one of their DSLR. It was massive. It was the opposite of helpful. I looked at it for maybe five minutes when I got it. It is in a drawer, eventually to be thrown away. I use very few features of my Sony because it is just too darn hard to remember from one use to another. I think to learn the camera, I'd have to use the camera multiple times each day. I'm not doing that. My adult children got rid of their cameras and are never going back. I hope some camera company listens to the two of you.

[@arthurmarshall6825]

I feel so out of place in this. I still feel like a beginner as I start my 3rd year as a photographer. I'm all for getting new people into the art but I hate using phones to take pictures with a passion and the idea that cameras should be more like phones depresses me to no end. I don't know what are good answers to these problems, I just hope it doesn't lead to me not wanting to get any new camera in the future.

[@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST]

I started using digital cameras in early 2001 and started shooting seriously in mid 2005 with my first DSLR, a Nikon D70. I've been in this game since the high bar was picture quality and FPS, which is not an issue anymore thank God. Now the high bar is focus speed and buffer size. We live in awesome times now. You shouldn't worry about the equipment nor feel like a beginner. Just have fun and enjoy shooting. Chase the high of being in a state of creative juice flow, where every picture feels high-value and worthy. Improve in the areas you want to level up, and seek your happy place when shooting. Don't let the market and community influence you. That'll just dry you up and alter your reality. It's why people keep buying new cameras and lenses trying to attain what is unattainable, because they're searching for the wrong thing in the wrong place. I stopped buying new cameras a few years ago. I had a 50MP Canon 5DS R and a 42MP Sony a7R II with some amazing lenses. I ended up getting rid of them and keeping just an 18 year old, 6MP Nikon D70s I bought in 2020 after realizing its pictures made me feel things the other cameras didn't. I've lost all desire to keep chasing cameras and lenses and I always advise everyone that touches the subject with me to just get good with their phones first. I learned something heavy too late: that taking pictures has to be camera-agnostic. It should feel good as a whole regardless of the equipment used. The pictures must give pleasure regardless of what was used to take them. I've taken amazing pictures with cheap smartphones that make me feel nice things. I obviously enjoy using dedicated cameras more, but in summary, I disconnected the experience from the equipment. I watch their videos because I love Tony and Chelsea's intelligence and personalities, but the gear itself is no longer something I lust for. Sorry for being so wordy, but your comment made me a bit sad so I wanted to steer you towards the happy place others and me have found...hopefully to save you future money and anxiety. Unless your income depends strictly on professional photography, you can slow down, relax, and enjoy your current equipment without the want or need to upgrade. I now love using *Snapseed* . I also love using *RawTherapee* and *darktable* to change the look of my photos. Post-processing really has become a thing of pleasure for me.

[@josedp]

Dear Chelsea & Tony. Here it is a theme for a video. I`m an amateur owning a full DSLR bag. For a long time, I question myself about a change of gear. I used to consider 3 options: 1. Keep my current gear that services my well. 2. Jump to a new equipment with more bells and whistles, but a big cost. 3. Renounce to the few prints, and specialty shots… Sell my equipment (still with some worth) and stick to my iPhone. But now I see a fourth option: Combine 1 or 3 with the increasingly good AI. Photoshop/Lightroom is 9.99 a month so I can upgrade the quality of the pics for many years with the first cost of option 2. What do you think?

[@daltonidaho]

You know what would be great? Having a camera that would automatically send every picture you take to your phone. After a quick initial setup, every picture would go right to the camera roll. No having to go to the camera's app, connecting to the camera, selecting your photos and hoping that the files transfer without any issues.

[@jimbolic0809]

This would be a really welcome feature, but I'd imagine the battery drainage it'll require to be a nightmare.

[@Fotogoscar]

When using imaging edge as a remote trigger, a jpeg is automatically sent to your phone while retaining the raw. This is good if you want a quick snap for social media. But I see your point, having the camera automatically connect to your phone without the app. But at least, this works for now.

[@LarryFasnacht]

You guys nailed it! It’s starting to make me regret having sold my x100V to finance my Olympus 300 mm f/4. The problem is if I take my X 100V on vacation and my Olympus OM-1, the X 100 V stays in the sock drawer And the OM 1 gets used. I used to be the guy that would read every page of the manual before I took my first picture. Those days are long gone. I think you really got it right when you say it’s about the tactile experience. I know it is for me. Sharing the photos is definitely an area that could be improved. I’m also surprised that you didn’t throw in some kind of anti-theft protection. I would really like that to be one of the major items on the list of a new camera.

[@reyjes]

This video is soooo on point!!! The satisfaction of a good click is indescribable. The Minolta Maxxum 7 (aka Dynax 7) was soo fun to use because of the dials, controls, and buttons. Honestly, I used to hear bells and whistles when looking at that camera, just about every time. The twin, dual purpose control wheels on top, just fun fun fun! Something has to keep you engaged while you spend months/years reading the manual, right? But seriously, in today's age if you can just tell the camera, "Hey camera, I want to take a picture of a person and have a nice blurry background" and the camera can update its setting automatically, and let you know "with the attached lens, you will have to be X feet/meters away from the subject to get the desired effect" etc, that would be groundbreaking. Wouldn't it? And yes I still want to know in feet! 👣👣 I understand meters are awesome, but my brain does not visualize that way. Thank you. The future is still filled with promise. But yes SOME OLD CAMERAS WERE FUN. Back in the day when I was poor, it was even fun to use those disposable cameras. They were THE BEST at the time, given my situation. And finally, YES CHELSEA, I am that person that reads the entire manual, except it happens over years, not in one sitting. 😆 p.s. Sony, if you're reading this: thanks for the aperture control rings on your high end lenses. They are THE BEST!!! It helps me think differently. If you can add those to your more consumer friendly-priced lenses, that would be fantastic! An electronic override would be essential for consumers (of course), and hey if you even want to add clickable and de-clickable functionality at that price point, we wouldn't be too mad at you at you at all. Finally Sony, a little early, but as they said in To Wong Foo: Thank You For Everything!

[@PabloTBrave]

Compact cameras are no better than smartphones , many people dont want to walk around with a massive rucksack required for DSLR use . The best camera is the one you have with you that's the reason I bought my a6000 when they first came out but even that's not quite pocket size . To get people into photography it needs to be a balance of ease but also have the manual settings so you can learn photography properly. I used to put the camera on full auto to bank a decent shot then switch to manual and try to beat it so my skill level improved .

[@kadencampbell4425]

Yes! I think you have to spend at least $750 or more on a dedicated camera before it looks better than a smartphone camera. Smartphone cameras do so much digital processing automatically to make the photo and video look better to the untrained eye, whereas a dedicated requires you to actually understand the settings and do the post-processing yourself (in exchange for more information and flexibility).

[@Nightmoore]

Well......sorta. Even a smaller point and click usually has a real lens that extends out and refracts light like a traditional camera. It IS a traditional camera right up to the point where it digitally saves the image. Smartphone photos have a LOT of faked elements in them. All that buttery smooth bokeh and out-of-focus elements are fake. That's all being generated by software. Smartphones' lenses are so tiny, they can't function like a real camera lens. The laws of physics won't allow it. Considering that, even a smaller point-and-click camera is capable of producing a more authentic photo than any smartphone. But for most people, "authentic" isn't the goal and "good enough" is just fine. I think it's awesome that we're all packing around little super computers for snapping decent images when needed. But when it's time to take an authentic photo and take it to the next level, then it's time to reach for a real camera.

[@AllanFoo-f5r]

What made cellphones such a hit was that it was always with you. Agree that Sony has a shot at achieving a complete overhaul with the base platform and software coming from a cell phone so it will fit into a pocket.

[@xflyingtiger]

I entered a one year challenge years ago, take one photo everyday and post it on the internet. The biggest thing I learned during that year was that you can't take a picture if your camera is back at the house. Take your camera everywhere you go. I still do.

[@cdmc2]

Completely agree that we want cameras that are more fun and easy. User experience is everything - and we not only want the tech to allow us to take great photos most of the time without worrying about f stops and ISO, but the ability to share the images immediately and fast is key. Smartphone can do it without cords and apps and services. That's what todays consumer wants. Whoever figure this out will completely own the market. I switched from a Sony A6000 to a Canon RP a few years ago when I wanted to move up to a full frame moderate cost camera because the Sony menu system was so frustrating. Canon is better but not fabulous and I had concerns about the viability of Nikon at the time. I learned photography in the 35mm film days and have a professional background in online UI. User experience is not trivial. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player but years later completely ate the market when they introduced the iPod with its easy to use interface. Really good UI is hard but everything. So, why not assume Canon is a better bet for the fun and easy camera, rather than Sony with its atrocious menus?

[@bazilxp]

I think the things get ducked up when no good fixed focus lenses . For major systems . 50mm or 35mm lenses on steroids with ridiculous overprice and dimensions

[@mynameisben123]

Do you mean fixed focal length? I think with the larger sensors you always need adjustable focus.

[@randybocksnick3750]

Randy Bocksnick(Montana) Chelsea, You were terrific on your video today! Thanks for being you and Tony thanks for being you as well! Take care!

[@Xingqiwu387]

So many good points! Leica cameras look simple, minimalist, and beautiful. Nothing is more off-putting than the Canons and Nikons with their dials and screens and fold-outs etc. You both have great ideas!!

[@michaelmarquardotzen4241]

Thank you, Tony and Chelsea, for another great video. I just got rid of my Canon EOS 7D Mk II in exchange for the Sony Xperia Pro-I. You might be wondering why, but in the past two years, I have had two work-related injuries, one in each shoulder. This means that I couldn't take handheld pictures anymore with my EOS 7D without starting to shake. It meant that if I had to take photos, even in bright daylight, I would also need to carry a tripod with me everywhere I went. So for that reason, I scaled down, and have started to revamp my passion for photography because my camera was now in my pocket, and not attached to a tripod all the time. I admit that I had to get used to the Sony camera system, as I have never owned a Sony DSLR before, but it is going great so far :) The menu system must not only be easy to use, but also intuitive, and still, like Canon, with the ability to create your own menu with your own go-to settings that you use most frequently, as well as an easy way to remap buttons for your particular workflow. Like with the Xperia Pro-I, the button next to the shutter button, can be remapped for their video apps or launch their external monitor feature. Thank you for your great channel. I always learn from your videos :)

[@NatanielsArt]

Camera manufacturers: you want Easy menu and file transfer - no, we’ll do more megapixels and fps 🤣 How about longer then 30sec exposure

[@porter4856]

This is why the instax is popular. Its one button. What you see is what you get, the photo prints instantly and it gives the experience of shooting film.

[@rsharma5901]

The Leica M checks all the points IMO: stylish looking, minimalistic design, tactile controls, easy 7 page menu, superb options for optics, best in class Fotos app to transfer images, built to last, etc. Where it fails: No video capabilities, in-camera stabilization, and price. While the price will most certainly be out of range for young folks, I do feel a refresh to the Sony A7C, with a compact manual focus lens (Leica M, Voigtlander, etc) might be a good combination for a budding photographer. That combination would force new photographers to slow down and prioritize on composition and framing by controlling the aperture, manually focusing, etc.

[@StunnafulPhotography]

Photography Being Easy... today's mirrorless cameras does at least 50% to 60% of the work for you due to the smartness of the software of the camera. So, a rookie photographer only has to point and press the shutter button.

[@LensVid]

Back in Photokina 2012 we had a chance to interview representatives from Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Fuji. We asked all of them about creating a camera with an Android OS. Nikon was the only one who sort of tried (Samaung as well way back when they made cameras) but it was all very rough, basically the result was not a good phone and certainly not a good camera. The fact that over 10 years later none of these companies made anything of this sort is extremely disappointing. The entire camera industry is basically left behind in terms of connectivity. I can now share that around that time we wanted to create a small 3G (later 4G) adapter that will connect to specific cameras and share full RAW images to the cloud (the target market was sports and news shooters who work on very tight schedules and need to send their images to their editors). It never materialized although honestly, this capability doesn't exist even today (you can send images from the app but doing so with a single click on a small dongle connected to the camera without taking your eye off the viewfinder is something that is not possible even today, wirelessly. The answer to this issue in my view will come from one of the following - either a completely new manufacturer will try to develop such a camera (my money is on a none Japanese one) or one of the existing companies will go into a partnership with a smartphone manufacturer but instead of producing a smartphone with better glass or colors they will make a camera with the brains of a smartphone (I would give this one a pretty low chance). Finally one of the existing manufacturers might decide to try some sort of entry-level modern Android camera - will it fair better than the Nikon COOLPIX S800C Android compact camera? I don't know, but I would not hold my breath...

[@quargr]

Hi Tony, Chelsea; one place that I very much agree with you is that cameras need better connectivity. Period. However, in many ways I prefer cameras interface with phone/computer apps, having much better apps being able to manipulate the camera, perhaps employ things like macros (to, for example, chain together multiple operations) and allowing changing of the menu (order, fonts, even icons) downloading to the camera, or just allowing the camera to have updated capabilities through a phone (or other device) without needing to apply yet another firmware. Also, I suspect individuals update their phone likely with more frequency then their camera bodies, so apps being able to either teach or utilize the information from my camera (and the additional processing power) seems to me like a much better idea. Last thing I need is to be running youtube from my camera, and having something like Android in the phone (except for a possible few select apps that could likely just as easily be accomplished with an app running on my phone/tablet/device) just seems like a very easy way for my camera to become antiquated even faster, as my phone will likely handle more and more sophisticated apps the phone receiving updates to the os, ant the user for more likely updating the device and hence the processing power without need to update the camera hardware leaving more room for for actually doing photography. My basic thesis is the lack of good solid apps (and a dedication to them) from camera hardware manufactures, in my view, can and should add far more capabilities to cameras moving forward, even those from the past, beyond attempting to add yet another set of hardware capabilities. If we had software that could manipulate current and past hardware, it seems clear to me today our cameras could do Amazing things. So, I disagree that apps will never help. And, I believe having better apps (and external device integration though much faster communications implementations) is really the way forward.

[@SW-tech]

I love these conversational videos (and the others, of course). Thanks 😊👍

[@jimbolic0809]

I've always fantasized about a camera that has a large touch-screen like a smartphone, an operating system that is intuitive as Apple's iOS, and capable sensors like a dedicated APS-C camera. THAT would be nice!

[@reneefariasphoto40]

FINALLY a T+C Northrup post I can agree with. I am a Nikon user and I agree that the ZFC is great, but also agree that Fuji is great. Simply to use point and shoot and software that is user friendly is key. As a full time pro for 27 years, I use my iPhone as my point and shoot for the ease of use and shareability. If the ZFC gave me this, I would buy that camera. The other camera that has ease of use but still lacks in the area of software is the Leica D-Lux. Although it's a micro 4/3rd camera, it still produces great images due to the optics, IMO and it comes in a retro finish. Good post.

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

1. One of the interesting things about film photography is the element of surprise. Pros may have an idea of the results they'll get because, they are... pros and they know what settings work best depending on the job. Amateurs like me can only do our best and hope for the... best! 2. Another thing is that the element of satisfaction is different. Film photography requires a little bit more work and may make us happier with the results?!?! 3. The tactile experience. Film cameras involve your hands and fingers differently, like vinyl records. The experience of putting a record on the turntable, turning it over, dropping the needle on it, etc, is a bit similar to loading, winding and unloading a roll of film. Sure, people use winders but, you get my point. It's just my point of view. YMMV.

[@tytesseract]

This chimes with my experience; I attend a lot of art degree shows, from around 2015 on noticed a distinct uptick in undergrad & postgrad fine arts & photography students using film cameras, developing & printing themselves, often using really anachronistic vintage tech, pre- SLRs, or at the other end of the spectrum Polaroids.

[@vanlee0831]

Totally agreed, good experience ! I just bought A7R5 las week , it is so good . When I use it , it grabs focus so fast and precise .

[@benoittissier58]

I inadvertently switched my A7iv into white balance bracketing twice. The first time, I was using the app without watching, so I may have touched the wrong area. No idea of what happened the second time. When trying to get back to normal I pushed the wheel up and down, it didn't work. For this setting, you have to TURN the wheel... By the way, who uses white balance bracketing ?

[@stuartschaffner9744]

I agree that nonprofessional cameras should be stylish, but who's style? Tony thinks that stylish means Rolex watches and fashion jewelry. It's got to feel retro-mechanical, expensive, and passed down from parent to child as an heirloom befitting the status of the family. When such a person looks over their desk to find their favorite pen they will of course pick up an expensive fountain pen with gold-plated nib. There's certainly a market for that kind of stuff. However, many if not most stylish young people play video games. These have highly complex user interfaces, but they're immersive visual, audio, and tactile experiences that give you a lot of clues about how to use the interface. Gamers expect augmented reality, with a complex fusion of a real view with relative data displayed in situ. Cameras with quality real-time EVFs have a lot of the base technology, but do not yet have the bandwidth and the sophistication to provide an exciting VR immersive experience. I also notice that virtually every camera is assumed to be one box or one tablet with a lens whose optic axis is fixed relative to the box. The viewscreen or viewfinder is also on the same box and has its axis and center fixed relative to the same box. Now there are tilt screens, but this is still pretty limited. In the future, how are you going to pull in the people who think that drones are stylish?

[@clausgiloi6036]

Shocking how many apps just fail rather than alert to a required permission.

[@peterhunor]

I actually loved the Canon M series. The M6 and M6 mark II with the grey tint looked stylish. Unfortunately they barely made any in grey, when I upgraded to the M6 mark II i had to go with the super boring black 😢 Which instead of bying a fun hipster camera just looks like a pro camera that was miniaturized. When it comes to Canon i find all their curent lineup is just too big. I snatched one of the last M6 mark II s knowing that lens mount is dead just because it was the last small Canon available. The R mount lenses are just too big, I travel the world with 3 lenses in 1 backpack. I don't feel like doing that with an R10 is possible. Maybe im wrong but I don't see any manufacturer marketing their cameras for those who want to travel light and have fun taking pictures while on a relaxing holiday. Some of us just want fun and style, not frames per second.

[@alexeyk116]

may be Olympus\OM - light and fun?

[@blekenbleu]

I snatched two; one all black and another chrome top.

[@yamaha4015]

Great video. U guys are so right. The fix is to be able to transfer quickly. While looking at your pics in the camera there should be an icon that says transfer, then u should be able to ‘air drop’ as in apple or do whatever with android. Fuji, I thought, was on the way but like all others when introducing their app failed. Imagine carrying a pocket type camera, Fuji, Sony, etc. and being able to transfer immediately. Besides the look and feel of the camera transferring is key. Btw I am talking jpgs Thank u all

[@iMaxPatten]

Why JPGs? HEIC is the modern and superior format that every smartphone supports

[@yamaha4015]

@@iMaxPatten I was talking about shooting with a camera that has raw or jpgs, or both, and just using the jpgs for transfer. However if u have a camera that does have helc format .then sure why not. The jpgs have been processed in the camera and should deliver a good picture.

[@danielrooth3938]

I watched the video now I'm in a complete panic. My son graduates high school in mid-June and I have no clue what camera to buy. It appears no matter what I buy will be complicated to use and almost out of date as you say they need to change. Help!

[@slimphotog]

Rent a camera for a week.

[@melyx6897]

I work sales at a camera store and I 10,000% agree. Every day, I have a non-pro customer ask for a point and shoot from the 90s to use for fun, because they actually like that the quality is lower, but the ease of use is there (except for finding batteries and usb cords since all of those are outdated). A new OS is a must, and app connectivity is something that all camera manufacturers are failing at right now. Even bringing back a point and shoot under $300 would make a ton of customers happy. Don't make it super nerdy high res, and give it grain filters to make the images look like they came out of a disposable camera from the 80s and you'd be surprised how many people would be happy with this.

[@cbarnettcti123]

I like the way you guys share the conversation, each letting the other take turns without (mostly) interrupting.

[@Xingqiwu387]

Agreed! But somehow Tony always looks like he's afraid of really saying what's on his mind. He definitely seems unsure of himself and hesitates frequently about positively asserting what he really thinks.

[@cbarnettcti123]

Actually, I think Tony would like to dominate the conversation more, but out of politeness and respect, he restrains himself so that Chelsea has equal time. I like hearing from both of them.

[@Ben_Stewart]

Nikon is killing it. The glass is ahead of the other and Z mount has a bright future. Menu is easy too.

[@davidligon6088]

I think you are right on. 1) include options for film color grading, 2) include a VF, 3) Have an AI Auto mode with options for espouse to the right, average exposure and auto HDR, 4) include physical dials with Auto mode options that can be switched to Aperture, Speed, and ISO dials. 4) include option for fixed or zoom lens (multiple focal length are expected on phones today) …

[@davidwarwick7968]

I think it's us, 21:53 the photographers fault. We expect shutter speeds , aperture values and ISO all to have familiar numbers to us. We understand the reasons behind these numbers, but to those who don't know it adds to the problem . Their phone can produce good results without the knowledge of settings. If manufacturers made simple point and shoot cameras which could produce cameras without all the settings and the complex menus required to use it, so it could be used like a phone and make it easy to transfer to a phone.

[@HANKBRAVO81]

In all seriousness, if Apple make an APSC or 1” point and shoot camera, it will be incredible. But obviously, they’d have to buy the optics from Sony. So, you guys are spot on…Sony are in the best position to do this. I bought an A74 after loving my A7iii for a year. Kept the Sigma 24-70 2.8 and delved more into video for promoting my detailing business. Truth? 3 months later, I got bored out of my mind. The workload/flow on top of actually doing my job was intolerable. Too heavy, too much work and too much editing and transferring. It ruined it for me. Even with family, moments would turn into a photoshoot or be missed entirely. I have sold the lot and jumping ship to Fujifilm. X100v and I don’t even care about the markup. The colours, aesthetics, film simulations without having to edit…it’s a win. And I’ll buy the successor too. Take it everywhere and even use for my business. Why? Coz it’s fun! With the ZVE1, we seen Sony changing the approach to everything, a great deal. Baked in looks, changing the jargon and terminology etc but…wayyyyyyyyy too expensive and utterly dire to look at. I’ve been crying out for Apple to make a mirrorless camera with a sim card or built in apps like instagram and Lightroom etc. this is the future and you guys are spot on. It’s up to Sony to make the jump and lead the way. Things just got too serious 😅

[@JohnPatrickWeiss]

A photographer friend of mine who started with Sony swears by his Leicas now- especially his Leica Q2M. Why? Simple menu, aesthetic beauty, and small and easy to use kit. Especially for travel and every day, when you don’t want a huge lens and confusing menus. I use a Fuji XPro-3 with small Fuji 35mm f2 lens. Because it’s small, easy to carry, and fun to use. I started with a Sony A6600 but HATED the menu. I agree that we need easy to use and aesthetically cool looking cameras. And yes, the data transfer with cameras is horrible. Takes forever, and the blue tooth apps never work. I ALWAYS take my memory card out of the camera, click into the reader and transfer files. And lastly, on a trip to Scotland our tour guide (who has a high end Sony camera) spent nearly the whole trip shooting with his iPhone 14 and immediately uploading his gorgeous shots to his Instagram travel page. If Apple ever made a digital camera they’d probably crush the camera market.

[@MobiusCoin]

The diopter wheel is sooo easy to bump. I remember having that issue years ago, it took me hours to figure out what happened.

[@slimphotog]

Yeah, I initially thought I was going blind when I bumped my diopter wheel.

[@krectus]

yeah I generally agree with all this. There's still a market for consumer level cameras. But yes make them a lot cooler and stylish, ease of use and team up with some smartphone or other companies that really have the connectivity and software side of things down and even as AI gets better...voice controls! But the big issue is camera companies really need to bring down their prices, their cameras aren't worth it anymore and they need to finally come to terms with that. Selling a camera for over a thousand dollars that doesn't even have a lens or a flash or any memory is absurd nowadays. Make photography stylish and fun again and worth taking your camera out with you instead of sitting on a shelf most of the time.

[@peterhunor]

If a 128 GB Samsung SD card goes for 20 USD nowadays it is indeed absolutely crazy that they don't have built in memory. It's like nobody in Japan got the memo that memory cards are dirt cheap nowadays. 😢

[@kaneclements7761]

Lots of valid points in this episode. Wireless synching is a bugbear. I plug my cameras into my Macs via a USB cable as transfers work well. Wheres the pictures I took using my iPhone today have appeared as if by magic in my Photos library. Something that needs to be discussed is output. Print, on the internet or just on one's personal devices? With film seeing a resurgence it raises questions about what media the users are outputting to. Do they scan? How are printing services doing? That is kind of important as the transfer from the camera to the final image on whatever media needs to be seamless. Printing at home, even using a pro device is also brought with difficulty with colour profiles, screen calibration etc. etc. My favourite camera is my Fuji X-E4. Simple on the outside, can be controlled by the quick menu and dials and great images. Compact and light. The traditional industry is great for nerds and those prepared to put in a lot of effort. Otherwise it falls pretty short really.

[@adisurd]

Fujifilm x-T3 and iphone. Transfer rate is slow but the pain is I need to go to wifi settings and turn something called private mode off and reconnect for the connection to work. Works better now than it did a few years ago but still crap. My tesla app works like a charm, taking only a few seconds to connect to the car

[@SuperVokan]

They need a cell phone that you can attach full frame lenses to. It also has apps that you can add other people’s settings/filters/editing or you can do it manually. Then it should connect easily to mobile editing software.

[@jboisvert77]

When I open DXO PureRaw, the picture that comes up looks exacltly like Chelsea. Is it her?

[@hansjzeller]

You brought up a really good point: Ability to transfer pictures. I was stunned when I found out how difficult it is to transfer photos and videos from the most popular phone, the iPhone, to the most popular computer OS, Windows and load them into the most popular editing tool, Lightroom. These three companies probably blame each other for their failure to make this work smoothly, but I think that's not a smart way to treat us, the customers. Things are of course much easier when people just leave all their pictures in the Apple ecosystem on the iCloud. That's cool, but the reason for doing that should not be because it's so very complicated to get the pictures out of the Apple ecosystem.

[@albireo9]

Want 12mm-500mm zoom lens. Light weight (one pound max). Something like the Sony RX10 IV "bridge" camera but lighter weight. Pocketable. No video needed. Background blur (Bokeh). Frame rate about 6 shots per second.

[@joules531]

As someone who bought their first SLR in '76, but could only afford to shoot a handful of rolls of Kodachrome each year, the modern digital world is a revelation! Today, even if a 1000 dollar smartphone is beyond your reach, you can go out and buy a Sony RX100 Mk1, for around a hundred bucks, and shoot quality stills, with more than adequate HD video. Add in a used Zoom mic for another 50 bucks, with free editing software to sync the sound, and you can achieve results that would have amazed my teenage self, way back in '76. Personally, I don't think that discussing cameras in terms of "fashion" is the best idea. Perhaps we should be encouraging people to look beyond "fashion", rather than making people feel that they can't afford a "fashionable" camera. Cameras do not "have to be good looking" - frankly, that's just ridiculous, and we really mustn't be putting people off because they can't pay a "fashion" premium for a camera like the X100V. PS - I'm running a pair of XT-2s, and a pair of RX100 Mk1s at the moment and I know both menu systems inside out. I find cameras far more useable if, fairly obviously, I have an in depth knowledge of how to use them.

[@schtickshift4150]

Well one thing that could be done would be to introduce presets and name them as useful things such as 80's compact disposable camera, 60's manual camera, 2000 Olympics Sport Camera or even 1920's box camera much like Fuji does with its film simulations. In reality the cameras already have all the settings in place all that is missing is a conceptual relationship for amateur users. Something like a Pen F or a XT30 could provide the body and an app could be used to allow sophisticated users to make more "cameras" and share them. In the long run though, I think that the Sony ZV cameras and the Penny vlogging camera are steps in the right direction because younger people don't see a distinction between camera and video, they fully expect both in one device. All these cameras need now is top of the line 5 axis stabilisation. I think M4/3 has a massive potential advantage in this market because their stabilisation is so superior. I think that a compact vlogging style camera with good stabilisation and pdaf and a mic and headphone jack with a 1" - APSC sensor size at a decent price is the way out of the conundrum. Sony and Panny are so close, just add 5 axis stabilisation.

[@80-80.]

the problem is that almost all cameras are made in Asia ie Japan. We really need more European and American brains to start designing cameras from scratch. Just to change things more drastically.

[@cristibaluta]

We have Leica, and there are some french i think trying to build something different

[@bikergeekgd]

Spot on commentary. There is no mystery as to what people want. The user interface benchmark is a smart phone. Give DSLR/mirrorless cameras a smart phone "fun" simple UI option. A user could select that mode and reboot their camera. Simple.

[@keithjob]

Two things for me: 1) I want the processing from a smartphone in an SLR body with its lens options. Think HDR scenes. I was on recent trip with Canon 70D and an iPhone, and any landscape shot with sky I just used the phone. I tried with the 70D but the sky was always blown out. The iPhone did such an amazing job of correct exposure. I know I can do bracketing and combine images but honestly I can't be bothered. Quick and easy please! 2) Connectivity. Needs to be FAST and simple! Airdrop please!

[@Jason.rimando]

Sony is the most soul-less and boring camera company out there. They are literally the last company I would expect them to make a camera like this. And that’s coming from someone that shoots professionally with a Sony. I really do hope one of these camera brands. Come out with a camera like that though. I hate bringing my real camera on trips. I always feel like I have to work. That’s why the Fujifilm and film cameras are so hot right now.

[@gbwalther3198]

Amen! Reference my comments, elsewhere--stacked somewhere in the millions of comments which Chelsea & Tony never read. 😎😎

[@simonbarnes7124]

My first mirror less camera was the Samsung NX300. I often wonder what Samsung could have achieved it hadn’t ditched the camera market. It was the closest to merging phone and mirrorless camera technology. Perhaps Samsung could be the company that could create a whole new breed of camera. Sony definitely is able to as it has a toe in both atm.

[@forreststidbits6828]

The Nikon Zfc on Auto comes really close for cell phone users. However, it still needs to be able to go landscape or portrait without turning the camera. Remove any non-auto features, work on an easy touch menu, and transfer anywhere you like quickly and easily. Add some easy photo and video editiing and artistic enhancements - after removing most unnecessary menu settings. Basically, include a Photoshop Express app in the camera. Then add built-in apps to upload to places like KZbin, Instagram, and Tik-Tok.

[@johnjetton1249]

I agree with the reasoning behind camera companies dropping "entry level" equipment due to the advance in smart phone cameras. I still use a Galaxy S9 and it takes wonderful images with 4k video (my D750 doesn't even shoot 4k). However, there is still a market (albeit a much smaller market) for a good entry level point-and-shoot or even DSLR. I have been looking for a camera for my son for his birthday. Most of what's available for "kids" is essentially a toy camera with 2MP and known crashing problems, or deleting images. The next level of point-and-shoot above the "toys" run in the high $100s to mid $200s. My son is 5. Not quite old enough for a camera in that price range, but older than the toy cameras. I want a camera that's easy to use, but high enough resolution (8 to 12 MP) that he can use it for a few years and get some good images. My roommate has an old Canon Power Shot SD870 IS that she hasn't used in years that she is letting me give him. This camera came out in 2007 and was $400 at time of introduction. (I didn't tell my roommate that she probably spent between $300-$350 for it when she bought it.) It has 8MP resolution and image stabilization. There is absolutely no reason the big names can't make a camera with specs like these for around $100 nowadays. They wouldn't even need to spend money on research and development, just open the vaults and bring back the old model Coolpix and Power Shot. Just update the software to accommodate large and faster memory cards. MAYBE update some of the electronics, but that isn't even really necessary. I took that old Canon to a car show this weekend (along with my D750) and it took great images (close up). Images shot farther away were out of focus. I don't know if it was because it has been sitting for about 10 years or from damage (there is evidence of impact damage (a small dent) on the front of the body ).

[@antoniotorio225]

Tony, Chelsea, your points are very valid. It is hard to believe that the capable minds of camera manufacturers have not come to these conclusions a few years ago. So, this means is that what you are really asking for is hard. The coolest would be to build a camera from scratch, which is as simple, powerful and versatile as a phone, but with a nice form factor and cool glass. Many are waiting for that day! You would see camera sales skyrocket again! Regards.

[@rajlovinglife]

market disrupters will happen only thing is you have to pay big to get the latest tech......eventually as sales increase prices will stabilize.....nice ..👍

[@nocturnus009]

About 12:50 Betty Edwards & a few others have illuminated the point about Polynesian Waterman & European Sailors: to diverging methods of matriculating through pedagogical journey to learn & thrive life in the open sea. RTFM & TLDR are the same diverging journeys the converge upon the same mastery of the oceans.

[@jpbarcelos]

Hey, I don't not say this often.... But I have to agree with everything you said. I have a a7c/a7iii, and the camera is awesome... But I hate it. There is nothing that makes me want to photograph with it. I have had Fuji cameras forever... Just because I feel that they are more fun/tactile. A Sony a7c that is closer to an xt5 would absolutely rock.

[@jcBirds]

I run into bugs all the time with the Canon app, but video files do not take nearly as long to transfer as Tony mentioned. It might be that you need to use wifi instead of bluetooth or some other weird setting. But I definitely agree the app needs huge improvements or needs to be rethought completely (perhaps have it connect to the actual internet through wifi, and use some cloud service to then transfer it to your phone). Sounds very costly though.

[@chronocross85]

Next step in professional cameras is the ability to add your own presets in the camera and apply them in the raw files.. or the ability to edit the photos in camera. Lumix S5II is the only camera on the market that has the ability to do that but it only applies it to the jpeg files

[@cristibaluta]

That makes absolutely no sense, why would you apply a preset to the raw file? You are not sharing the raw. Nobody is editing photos on the camera either, i think even olympus has this.

[@annoholics]

What file format do you want to use that for otherwise? PNG?

[@butfeigehasalwayssaid3900]

@@cristibaluta You must be slow or a noob

[@Nightmoore]

You gotta think about what yoou're asking for though. I need to get those images into Lightroom or Photoshop to process them. I need them open on a color accurate large display so I'm not making bad decisions. I would loose my mind trying to do post work on the back of a camera screen. We've just now got to the point where thumbsticks for focus points feel fluid and responsive. The interface and small screen size is just not practical for that kind of work. If manufacturers start burning development time on adding those kinds of things, that just distracts from the things they need to work on (which are plenty). Not to mention all the extra processing power needed to do those things (which just sucks battery and makes more heat). Nobody buys a $3k pro camera so they can crop, use filters, and edit in-camera. That's not a path we should go down. We need the RAW files exactly as shot. That's the whole point of using the format so you have maximum flexibility once you open the image later.

[@mynameisben123]

That’s the JPEG settings you use with RAW+JPEG

[@georgejonsson4819]

I think the camera manufacturers should look into using Android as the operating system. With that they get the filesystem, WiFi stack, Bluetooth, etc. built in. They have to write drivers for specific hardware, so it's not just plug and play, but these drivers can be reused in a bunch of camera models. A have a Canon 70D (yes it's old) with WiFi, but connecting to the Canon phone app is hit and miss and it's not fast. I usually end up taking out the memory card and plugging it into the PC. As for being slow, maybe the read speed of the card reader hasn't been the focus because writing fast to the card is more important. Things I would like from a camera: 1) Add a USB-C port to the camera. 1a) You can connect to a PC and read a file like from card reader. 1b) It would also be possible to connect directly to a monitor with USB-C for viewing images or show video. 1c) Fast charging would be possible using an existing charger for a laptop or phone. 2) Use Android as the operating system instead of writing their own. This enables connection to popular social media apps and third party apps could also be installed on the camera, like image processing SW and what not. 3) Being able to connect to a cloud service I already have. I know this can be a money maker for the manufacturers, but it's annoying to have so many different services. 4) Easy to use menu system that is more intuitive. Add help-text to features so you can learn as you want to use it without having to carry the manual around. So yeah, basically start with a mobile phone development kit and go from there.

[@patlopez2093]

I loved your thoughts, all of them! Let’s hope the camera manufacturers are listening. Thank you.

[@photoangelov]

14:42 "... 'cause nobody reads a thousand-page tachnical manual." *Ironically, manuals DO have a "search function" and you can only read what you need to.*

[@ja5467]

In order for Sony or any manufacturer to come up with a simple point and shoot camera that will once again capture the amateur market the camera MUST have WI-FI connectivity to your smartphone so you can instantly upload your jpeg to the cloud and share with friends and family! It also must be affordable! Love your show! Keep it up the great work.

[@edwardbrock1194]

This whole thing makes me SOOO glad I'm a dedicated Pentaxian. Works great, easy to understand the users manual.

[@tonynunez75]

Tony and Chelsea thank you for everything you guys have done I just want you to realize you are absolutely right!! We need to make the market more interesting to younger groups that is the way to keep photography going we need to start them off with a plug and play not with take this class take that class watch this 8-hour video and you will learn to use your camera today's youth wants it now just like I said Plug and Play thank you guys for everything you've done in the past and everything you've done in the present and everything you will do in the future good luck wish you the best

[@MUSEMENT]

My first camera was a Kodak Duaflex II, a twin reflex camera, that I pickup at a thrift shop in the 1960s that I still have, what was great about it was that the shutter speed is fixed at 1/125 of a second and the f-stop is fix at f16, plus a flash bulb setting. It has a look a look to it that has style and from its chrome metal and black bakelite that says camera. It was very successful for camera a basic point and shoot, especially outside. No real learning curve, just put the film in and start shooting. From that experience I when further into photography and was a great lifetime hobby over the years. I was amazed that these modern camera that eliminated the dark room and chemicals need to produce pictures when they came about, which game more time to the art of photography. I agree with what was presented in the video, I think that designer, need to look at camera design that goes back from the classic SLR and viewfinder film camera that was popular 40 to 50 years ago. I think that look with brush chrome and black leather has a appeal that is timeless and really speaks to younger generation as what a camera looks like. Also if they can make a camera that can be easily understood and used a within 15 minutes easy to use as the old film point and shoot camera I think they could have a very successful product. If camera manufactures are on the ball with sale they can use this a entry point for the beginner and get them interested is composition, (by having something like a blog) the camera works well but dose have limitation, and people who have this as a hobby who want shoot more than a snap shot may want to go further into photography, this is where they up scale selling would begin and start introducing people toward more complicated cameras where some people will over time may shoot pictures and videos as professional. I think if manufactures would have photo contests and free basic video lessons on how to use their brand camera equipment and demonstrate accessories and maybe an upscale equipment, it would be a plus for there sales too. Also manufactures could build an online community through forums too.1

[@dandevany272]

Thank you, Chelsea and Tony! You are right on the mark. Most cameras now are over-optioned. Film cameras felt more intuitive. Now, will you please take on the simplification of photo editing systems. Lightroom could be easier to use and more intuitive. At least that's my two cents....

[@delpinsky]

I would take a bold move: do you remember the Samsung K Zoom phone? An ibrid digital-camera so to speak. Let's make an android phone with a camera body, a large 1" single sensor, 24MP. It's not a compact camera, it's a phone with a good main lens, let's say 18-55mm equivalent or even more. It would be a portable phone, slim, with just the camera area thick, but not massively thick. A shutter button on the right side with one click to focus and a second click to shoot. Let's say we can also change camera lenses, in the way digital cameras do, but with specific lenses to avoid increasing significantly the weight of the phone. In my opinion it would be the sweet spot between smartphones and digital cameras and a way to bring more people into loving photography. All of this for an affordable price, let's say 999$ tops. People would be sure to have good, detailed pictures and videos, as close as they can get to an entry level modern digital camera, considering the physical limitation of the lenses. I would definitely buy it.

[@baay66]

We already have stuff like lenses you can put on your phone so why not a full body you pop on/in your MB use it for the screen computing power. And when they change their phone they can still use the camera body and lenses with the new one.

[@JK-photo77]

I think you have it pretty close - Connectivity to phone is #1. Fast & reliable. (compress the photos and vid, few want the huge files.) Connectivity to computer is #2. Fast & reliable. Price is the largest part - people are buying the Instax or cheap "cool looking" camera because it is sub $200. Digi cams are not being released anymore and the stuff that is out there from name brands are $600-1000. Camera bodies are $1,500-5,000 and good lenses are always $1,500-$2,500. The price creep is out of hand. May not seem much for photographers but for anyone trying to pay $2000 rent for a 800sq ft apartment, the prices are not reasonable.

[@buggersofoz]

Great thought, looks like Canon missed such an opportunity with the R50 to refresh the M50 design to make it cooler. They already have an easy mode (still available with the M50?) and IMHO (based on said M50 experience couple of years ago), the app worked pretty well, especially with NFC! OMD app is hopeless! Geotagging takes 5 attempts, 3 restarts of camera and a restart of the phone. Then transferring 30 images takes 10 minutes. On Canon I was geotagging on the fly (bluetooth) and transferring said 30 images would take about a minute... I did gave that camera up mostly for its terrible ergonomics and just one dial... so maybe launching a base level RF mount equivalent of the Zfc could be a good way to go. The R bodies are already effortless with AI autofocus :) it would almost tick all boxes you guys mentioned...

[@montanaylago]

After I read the manual of my camera… when I go back to it still have to search for minutes the specific thing that I want to tweak. And most of the time is easier/faster to google it. Definitely more intuitive is the way to go!!!

[@canwefixit8129]

If Sony made a smartphone that had a 1 inch sensor, a smaller removable lens mount and special made lenses for it that would be perfect. Such as lenses that are the size you would normally see on a point and shoot. Similar to how newer Go Pros have removable lenses you can buy for them but a step up in size and quality. That would be the best of both worlds

[@cristibaluta]

And how would that fit in your pocket?

[@canwefixit8129]

@@cristibaluta Simple! You place your hand on it, give it a quarter turn and POOF! it comes off like every other removable lens. Its not like you would need it on your phone 24/7 anyways. It would just be a nice addition you could pop on when you want to take nice quality photos. Also i don't know if you are familiar with Point and Shoot lenses but the prime lenses are about a half inch thick and the zoom lenses are collapsible. They would easily fit in your pocket just like how a point and shoot camera fits in your pocket because they are small and compact but yet 10x better quality then any lens on a Iphone currently.

[@cristibaluta]

@@canwefixit8129 In the meantime i suppose you are using one of the phones with 1inch sensor, because they already exist, or you have those lenses that can be put on any phone

[@canwefixit8129]

@@cristibaluta I'm aware they have smartphones with 1 inch sensors. The reason i said that was not because i thought it doesn't exist. Its because thats ideally as big of a sensor that you could fit into a smartphone without making it bigger. And the combination of a 1 inch sensor and a removable lens does not exist in a smartphone. Also point and shoot lenses are the most compact lenses there is that still has professional quality and most point and shoot lenses are made for 1 inch sensor cameras. Now as far as the existing clip on universal smartphone camera lenses you are referring to. As far as quality of image is concerned the optics in a clip on lens is no better then the lens thats already in a basic smartphone. Not to mention stacking a clip on lens over the lens thats already in your smartphone is not even close to the quality you would get in comparison to a dedicated removable lens that goes directly over the sensor itself. Also a clip on lens cannot really change the focal length or aperture. You can buy a clip on lens that claims to be a 35mm at f1.8. But if you are putting that over the lens in your phone thats 18mm at f2.8 then you aren't actually changing anything. Obviously you don't have those issues with a dedicated lens and the quality would be immensely better. Thank you for attempting to make a point.

[@davidbauer8800]

Okay, I'm not a neophyte photographer, but I can get an 8 year old taking pics on my old 7D Mk2 in less than 3 minutes, and they're having lots of fun. The equipment is so good & they all have an 'easy mode'. The real challenge in the digital age is being the Art Director and Curator - that's what makes the difference.

[@byazrov]

Android on cameras would have fixed all of the problems. But camera makers missed this opportunity and gave everything to the smartphones. People who run those companies are clearly not that smart at all.

[@Milos-Stankovic]

It is not too late to shift focus to smartphone. Just like HDD companies bought SSD companies, camera companies could bought some smartphone companies (like startup "Nothing" for cheap) and profit from smartphones sales as they eat camera sales. Win win for camera company who jump in smartphone wagon.

[@derekmidgley]

I want a search function. Search for the setting or feature I want to adjust. As one would in a phone's settings menu. I also want every image GPS imprinted but I don't want to ever have to waste time connecting the camera to my phone just to do that. It must be built in and it must just work. That they still haven't done this stuff is on them. No wonder they can't make money.