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[@smartereveryday]

Removing negative feedback from any control system causes the system to go chaotic. That’s not an opinion…that’s how math works.

[@SMGNelson]

It can help you learn from your mistakes. I heard about doing that in a podcast recently.

[@Mechail]

Maths*

[@sarthak_chauhan1010]

Hey Dustin.... Poirier!

[@cashbag]

@@Mechail We american we say math no s

[@SystemHacker23]

I agree 100% You should make an informal video like you did with the misinformation series.

[@JerryRigEverything]

As an avid consumer of How-To and tutorial videos - I am sad about the disappearance of the dislike counter.

[@fredfarrell]

Never used a dislike on yours. Love them all

[@tim3172]

I know, right? Now you'll have to use your brain to tell you if what is happening makes sense rather than rely on whether the video was targeted by a troll farm.

[@DigitalKid14]

How's the Electric Hummer getting along?

[@wvd07]

@@fredfarrell exactly

[@superstarr_26]

Nice haircut

[@TheASTrader]

From an education-seeking standpoint, removing dislike counts has made it near impossible to discern what tutorials are credible and worth watching and what tutorials aren't.

[@scottwheeler1641]

Its not that KZbin dont know, they dont care. They only need you to click a video, not watch it! They can claim to their advertisers that you are a viewer even if autoplay has selected a video that you definitely wont watch

[@tylere.8436]

They just want to protect their political buddies that they cater to now. Been that way for a while with the search results benefiting them all the time.

[@azazaeldevile2506]

@Kamaldeep Singh Vanced is another gpod one. I got extension for my pc and vanced for phone

[@RenderingUser]

@@azazaeldevile2506 vanced is now gone i think right?

[@piercearora7681]

@@tylere.8436 Nope, they actually just want to make more money. If you waste time watching useless videos you wouldn't watch if you saw the dislikes, thats more ad revenue for them. KZbin exists to make money, it doesn't give a sh*t about politics or anything else for that matter.

[@Rickgsx33]

Honestly, its poor decisions like this (by KZbin), that make me wish there was a competitor. I would be more than happy to move to another platform that would allow users the option to freedom of Speech, and allow your VOTE to be counted regardless if it a like or dislike.

[@joser1853]

And yet you're still here, so they don't really care. People will stick with the platform regardless. :P

[@XoCaliburn]

I wish a competitor for youtube did exist but it will never happen, youtube is just too big

[@cecilarthur3579]

Yes

[@danymajr]

The only problem is that youtube and google are the two largest monoplies in america. It appears that these governments love monopolies and pretend like they're against it. SMH

[@Rickgsx33]

@@danymajr I agree... I'm going to get to the point that... I'm going to give everyone a "Dislike" with the comment of... due to the You Tube algorithm not showing the Dislike number... and maybe, just maybe, the Channel owners will start to complain to You Tube management to bring back the number system. After all... if they show the Like number, its useless unless you have something to compare it to like the "Dislike"... the sad thing is... its NOT the Channel owners fault, but they are going to get the brunt of it... its a shame.. and you're right, it is a monopoly

[@veritasium]

I agree with Marques - long live the dislike button!

[@kennitodevangavani891]

Exactly 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@vukasinbosanac1629]

Love your videos

[@vukasinbosanac1629]

Love you😉

[@whackamolem8024]

It will on your channel for sure!

[@whackamolem8024]

You know I am just kidding. I love your videos!

[@canalgtecnologia]

I agree, if KZbin hide the dislike button, it will make the like and dislike function be useless.

[@simianto9957]

Did YT already remove dislikes? Because I can still see them.

[@killer_instinctz8696]

@@simianto9957 XD u on older version or some glitchy thing with ur old device maybe.

[@simianto9957]

@@killer_instinctz8696 Ah okay well I don't mind then

[@giampaolomannucci8281]

they did already, I don't see dislikes anymore while my cousin still does it's just a matter of time, not "if"

[@smokecrash2147]

from what I've seen, you can sometimes still see the dislikes if youre not logged in.

[@ThisIsWizardsHandle]

“KZbin is trying to give creators a voice by actively taking away their voice” -Bosh

[@lalaj2887]

That's just like santa loving you by giving you a charcoal

[@notahuman-r4j]

@@lalaj2887 thats still useful for art or lighting a fire no warm up

[@DaBeast34]

8 months later and KZbin is still ignoring actual creators input on the awful decision to remove dislikes

[@mrjuicejunior]

They're hoping they would forget and it's somehow working

[@BuddysDIY]

The dislike Button has saved me so much time NOT wasting my time on a Bs video. We are all mad KZbin

[@alexandthephoenix9154]

True

[@user-xp5qm6wt3b]

true

[@taoboyce6412]

I really hope that youtube does something about it But in the meantime there's a browser extension that can show the dislikes again

[@1DBrainCell]

Just get the (Return youtube dislike extention) it makes the dislike button go back to normal and you can see the count.

[@madjidben8240]

Buddy's DIY I love your videos, and believe it or not the like/dislike ratio is what made me decide if the channel is worth subscribing or not, in which by the way was totally worth it.

[@aurelijaskubutyte8370]

Imagine if Amazon removed the customer star rating just to protect the "mental health" of the sellers.

[@nonameqani1403]

looooooooool. I would Never Shop On Amazon again then lmaooo

[@dystopiaisutopia]

@@nonameqani1403 you shouldn't be using Amazon anyway. You should use eBay.

[@nonameqani1403]

@@dystopiaisutopia I got scammed on eBay once. Amazon’s got reliable customer service fast shipping. Also u could get ur money back if the seller don’t don’t respond by just contacting customer support

[@shad0w1and]

@@nonameqani1403 You get your money back either way. It is just Amazon does it better and faster. It is a pain in the ass on eBay sometimes.

[@dystopiaisutopia]

@@nonameqani1403 Ebay does the same thing. How did you get scammed? Did you go outside of Ebay to complete your purchase? If you use Paypal Ebay will back you up 100%. I've been on Ebay since 2008 and never had an issue.

[@freeguy3751]

The biggest downside so far in my experience with the dislike button being hidden is when I click on a video and I see the amount of likes, I can't help but wonder "Is the 50 likes contrasted with 1000 dislikes? or is it 50 likes and 10 dislikes? I'll never know." Your first rebuttal point about not knowing if the videos is worth my time is the best one. Great point that the comments can be even nastier because now the people who dislike the video don't really feel like their vocie is heard. I like your idea to only allow dislike ratings to be posted for people who have watched a required length of the video (let's say 10% continuous).

[@JenniferBenniferASMR]

What an outstanding presentation! This was like a well prepared book report! And articulated fantastically without bias or excessive emotion. 👏🏻 You provided the facts of the situation, expressed the problem it creates and even suggested a compromised solution. Bravo!!! 👏🏻 For the record: I do not like KZbin’s decision to hide the dislikes.

[@444Lukas444]

Next thing: IMDb is removing rating system because it hurts movie studios.

[@amitjesur]

😂😂😂

[@MBommeli]

😂😂😂🙈

[@shashibrahma36]

😆

[@MosesMatsepane]

IMDB is savage! 😂😂 Especially the user written reviews.

[@jawad_youtube]

😂😂😂

[@LinusTechTips]

Thanks, KZbin. I hate it. If only there was some way to express my displeasure. A button, perhaps? -LS

[@TheTechPerson]

Agreed

[@eyesc]

All the brains at KZbin and this is best they can come up with …smh

[@JonnyInfinite]

Literally even top creators think this is an ass decision

[@LichaEats]

Agreed

[@nagasako7]

LTT videos have high like ratio. Viewers can trust it. Meanwhile scammers want it gone so viewers don't know what to expect.

[@kindofanmol]

"KZbin is the only platform that listens to the creators" Susan: I'm sorry little one...

[@anonymoushuman_rh]

How is hiding dislikes improving the mental health of creators is the creator can still see the dislike counter?

[@jacksonwillbert1352]

This is anti-consumer. The next logical step for society would be to prevent us from being to able to negatively review products we purchased, or movies we watched, or restaurants we visited.

[@Wistbacka]

So many stores already do that.

[@superbotc]

Netflix did that

[@fredo5250]

lmao what thats the last thing i want

[@Turnpost2552]

This is the furthest thing from being logical. I am thinking about switching to another plateform. Toturial video will go to different plateforms and the quality of youtube video will drop massivly. Pretty much like communism in a way.

[@happy_crustacean7104]

@@Turnpost2552 Oh I hope so. I hope we start seeing fierce competition from new user generated video platforms.

[@brusspup]

Ironically, i dislike this change more than any that KZbin has ever made

[@poolchinchilla167]

Samee

[@cameron7057]

@Graham J this is exactly what I was thinking

[@salaamuddin9707]

I think youtube should add the dislike button on the video and on the comment. Imagine comment have dislike count.

[@TC-kn9kk]

Subsciptiom feed algorithm doesn't show all my videos now too. Why do I pay youtube monthly?? The app is bloated now too with useless content

[@kingj282]

Nothing is worse than Google+ integration

[@vergileromano8423]

I have to admit that since KZbin hid the dislikes my use of this platform decreased to almost zero. Beside Mr Marques I watch little to nothing else. It’s weird that Google didn’t find a better solution, like letting the content creators choose if they want to share the dislikes with the community or not. Weird solution to remove the dislikes and to simply ignore all the backlash afterwards.

[@ffsireallydontcare]

Aaand they actually made the original video private! So much for transparency and "don't be evil". Remember, every anti-consumer, anti-creator, pro-advertiser, pro-scammer change is made so that Larry Page can afford another private island!

[@shtormish_-en1vq]

they are pissed, but refuse to accept it) bet there were 99.99% dislikes on the vijeo

[@BluWaves]

Removing the “dislike” button just benefits clickbait videos.

[@nnlaau]

and youtube rewind XD

[@lohrry3482]

@@nnlaau Lol I was thinking the same

[@trihops]

That's a really good point.

[@mattyboydabest97]

Benefits unpopular figures like Joe Biden

[@tankbeast8480]

Benefits unlikable ppl

[@carykh]

Agree 100%. Also, if KZbin's goal is to improve creator's mental health, I don't think removing dislikes even helps. It just means that instead of getting bombed with 6,000 dislikes, you'll get bombed with 6,000 comments saying "you suck" "ratio" "L" "use me as a dislike button". That's worse because each sign of disapproval will be unique in its approach, and harder to ignore.

[@SRC267]

They will disable comments then

[@kirangouds]

🤣 so accurate

[@Cscuile]

Agreed!

[@blargl121]

The creator still gets to see the dislikes anyway, especially if they check analytics

[@fistarena4735]

@@SRC267 i never watch videos with disabled comment ... I know when comments are disabled there's something wrong in the video

[@rahimarajabiy9705]

lack of dislikes is actually frustrating.. I hope we'll have a youtube alternative soon...

[@szymondudzinski6661]

I love how you don't just complain, but give ways to fix the problem.

[@vijay5110]

This is worst update from youtube. Likes and dislike ratio helps me to figure out if a video is fake or not.

[@walterwhite6216]

Right? Like a tutorial or a download that could be virus

[@_archer7101]

KZbin loves to cater to the SJW's and snowflakes of society... videos getting mass dislikes?? CREATE BETTER CONTENT! don't take it personally that someone doesn't like the kind of things you output...

[@vijay5110]

@@walterwhite6216 exactly!

[@Maxime4]

@@_archer7101don’t make this political

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

@@Maxime4 To be fair, it probably politically driven as well. This of course would be detrimental for any political side as you want be able to see universal agreement on a video. Say for example, Joe Biden came out with something benefitting both parties equally. How would you know its equally liked?

[@TechAisle]

I felt Linus perfectly summed it up in his tweet: "Imagine if Amazon hid 1-star reviews so you could send your feedback to the seller but no one else could see the product was crap. Sounds like a super sensible move to me."

[@anjishnulahiri9600]

Linus formulated that sentence perfectly!!

[@giomjava]

really good way to put it 👌👌

[@ahmadkhalidmaaz]

Bro Linus is just perfect

[@NotMrWhy]

wait, Didn't MB say the same thing?? 6:31

[@backatbragg]

Amazon has blocked my negative reviews on a crappy product before.

[@therockysafari4302]

They should let creators choose whether or not it’s visible on their videos!!!!!!

[@EricMeeks101]

I agree 100% I’ve actually found myself now using KZbin about 50% less (I used to spend hrs on it). I mostly learn how to do various things and now I don’t know if the information I’m watching is accurate or helpful. This was such a stupid move on their part.

[@StuffMadeHere]

Completely agree that vote ratio is very useful as a viewer to make decisions on what is worth my time. It’s also useful as a creator to incentivize making better videos. Brigading is a real problem, but as a computer scientist & engineer it’s surprising to me that there isn’t a better solution than “burn it all down.”

[@jimmylee5994]

Can second this as a software engineer - how else am I going to know what code I can blindly copy paste off of KZbin??

[@humzachoudry4410]

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT!!!! Thank you for that comment. @Stuff Made Here

[@patrickcarpenter6258]

Well there is but that's not what the goal is.

[@Ammoconnect]

Its because of everyone shitting on Biden and how bad everyone really hates him. Not a single video is rated positive ever and they actively work to hide and change it

[@max_dotson]

This point is incredibly important. Look no further than Steam to see that there’s something that can be done. Steam reviews will mark periods of “dislike bombing” or “periods of off topic discussion” it shows that even if a video gets decimated just having a little blurb showing that is was disliked bombed is not out of the question.

[@5MadMovieMakers]

KZbin being a search engine is one of its most valuable qualities

[@egoleo6693]

Love your thomas the train vids

[@thecarmellofellow]

I agree. And its one of my favorite points he made and completely aligns with how I use this platform. However, I’m pretty sure KZbin’s response to this would be “we own Google. Google is our search engine. Use the Videos filtering feature of Google for this from now on.” I hate this change and I would like to see them make it right.

[@thefuture6661]

yeah

[@bigbluebuttonman1137]

@@thecarmellofellow Google's search for videos and KZbin's search for videos are sometimes almost completely different. I really hope KZbin doesn't go that route.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

And the one thing KZbin hates. They don't want it to be an unbiased search engine (as evidenced by the declining quality of search results and constant recommendations not even tangentially linked to your search in the results). They want it to be a sponsored content platform, where they push you the video, you watch the video, you press like, you watch next video ad infinitum.

[@saullandiof5768]

that's a great point about KZbin being a search engine, it seems like they're trying to phase that aspect out already, giving only a few search results and then straight to recommended

[@isaacandersen1]

I can't believe this video still has no dislikes, I guess it's just perfect!

[@youngdirkk]

Couldn’t agree more. Anytime I am looking for a tutorial or an instructional video the first thing I look at is the like to dislike ratio.

[@WatercraftGames]

Yeah, it's a good feature that allows users to know if the video is scam/clickbait

[@aitoluxd]

Looks like YT wants to give the scambaiters all the opportunity to shine.

[@RealJayNice]

Jokes on KZbin, I’m not updating my app so I can still know what videos are getting dislike.

[@uk4490]

@@RealJayNice not for long

[@mihnealazar7039]

@@RealJayNice hmm I don’t have any pending updates and my app still shows me dislikes. Weird.

[@SAPHIRAPPS]

Imagine if Amazon only published the 5 star reviews to protect the seller’s wellbeing.

[@callbettersaul]

@Adam Akmal will*

[@HallaYourself]

I was going to post the same thing about eBay.

[@DouglasQuaid999]

@@HallaYourself Imagine ebay not telling you that you got outbid cos it might hurt you feelings lol

[@lesley-annfenwick]

Exactly

[@visorleague]

I think they removed it in china due to Xi Jinping didn't get a 5 star review on his book.

[@anomallie]

“Honestly, you’re all gonna get used to it pretty quickly.” I can’t- 💀

[@kylepotter9012]

You, sir, have been my favorite individual on KZbin since first discovering you in early 2015, maybe 2014... And this is yet another reason why. Thank you for speaking up!

[@WillProwse]

Next, they will remove the comment section.

[@Harry-rh9qc]

Apple's KZbin channel: 👀

[@LevantWasTaken]

Lmao yea the comment section basically voids KZbin's points

[@SoftnappGAMEPLAY]

Well they delete most of my comments

[@alekseykyrylovych7392]

We need need Video platform like KZbin but with respect to audience.

[@spike5499]

ngl they should remove the reply function. Seeing how quickly reply chains in youtube comments devolve makes me lose brain cells

[@JellyScrub]

KZbin: Dislikes hurt the creator's feelings Also KZbin: Only the creator can see the number of dislikes

[@Kxngmarky]

Very stupid ikr

[@onedollasnake]

@@Kxngmarky yeah

[@kianag6692]

Now they are all alone with their pain and can fake smile in their videos even more. 🙄 Seems good...

[@kingpaaravindan8290]

did anybody catch (2:48) Marques saying 5 dislikes and 20 dislikes even though he was clearly meant to say 5 likes?

[@TitaniumTronic]

If it aint broke, dont fiddle with it.

[@floatingpointz5903]

2 years later and still important for every KZbin user (and YT managers) to watch... One of these days, someone will actually use this feedback (I hope)...😢

[@PrincePalmUwU]

having the dislike button viable to us all can determined what's a scam when it comes to helping a certain thing.

[@DerFinder]

"other platforms also dont have a dislike button" would be like saying "cups also dont have a bottlecap, so bottles dont need one either"

[@Bobby.B619]

Beautifully put

[@mukulkulkarni5431]

Well said

[@jcas]

Actually, many people are requesting Twitter to add a dislike button. Their rationales is plain ridiculous.

[@irfok727]

wow

[@cocoaeve9054]

I would really like to see dislike buttons on other platforms.

[@Linkmon99]

Their biggest reason is protecting creator mental health - well I’ll still be able to see all the dislikes in KZbin studio so does that solve anything at all? Terrible update, if my videos are getting dislike bombed it’s because I’m doing something wrong - it fosters better content. I hope youtube listens

[@seeibe]

"Terrible update, if my videos are getting dislike bombed it’s because I’m doing something wrong" Not always. Could also mean you're for example an LGBT content creator with a hate mob targeting you. Which we all know that's not who this update is for, but let's not pretend this never happens.

[@benrex7775]

@@seeibe LGBT content creator are not the only ones with hate mobs, they sometimes even are the hate mobs, but I get your point and agree with you.

[@francisgricejr]

The fact that the dislike counter is not shown has proved to make less people click on the dislike button because they feel it doesn't matter and niether does there opinion!

[@corniel657]

@@seeibe lame

[@outofthebox9699]

This just an excuse for KZbin to get more good opinions and reviews about its site by removing dislikes view, like we all know that KZbin has policies which impact content creators, for example the ads on every video policy, creators less that 1000 subs or who are not monetized this feel like there content is being taken advantage of by KZbin to show ads.

[@XVM76]

I really don’t understand why KZbin could’ve just gave us the option to turn off just dislikes instead of just forcing this down all our throats

[@Lilynzst]

In every review form youtube has ever sent me over the past 5-6 years ive always said that dislikes should be more useful. being able to see at what point in the video the button gets hit would be a gamechanger and make it much more constructive! seeing if it's something you said/did, if people are immediately disliking etc. Not only does this change take away that valueable info from viewers, it doesnt do anything to help creators. we can still see it

[@flexmendelson]

i like this idea, the only place i’ve seen something like this done is on soundcloud, you can leave a comment at a certain point of the song to say what you think of it. or a lot of people will leave comments at the beginning/end of the song to leave a general comment.

[@thebrownengine9222]

"He who hides from criticism deserves it the most."

[@P4boot]

Or She. 😂 jk

[@tarun1982]

modern day leftists

[@Flamelance_Accendo]

At times, there are people who like to say they are offering criticism, when in reality it's passive aggression or selfish thinking.

[@ibello777]

What do you mean?

[@thekingoftheworld9553]

@@tarun1982 ok boomer

[@KombiLife]

Removing the dislike button will waste millions of hours of humanity's collective time. I say, thumbs down on this one KZbin

[@valar9899]

thats what they want you to spend more time on their platform its a maze

[@danchopansa6804]

agreed

[@skrilinn5]

Wasting our time on useless video will make KZbin even richer, which "justifies" the change.

[@bimisikocheng]

@@valar9899 its been planned all along

[@adamblomberg]

You can still use views to likes ratio, but it's not as convenient.

[@Rayantechtips]

I Love How MKBHD Bring Us The Problems Of KZbin Videos,Bugs,Spams And All. glad That KZbin is Trying To Fix This

[@JoelRossWorld]

Absolutely fuming and furious at the fact that they removed it. Unsubscribed from KZbin premium because of it.

[@jasonstock667]

Imagine buying something “popular” from Amazon without stars to find out it’s a knockoff of a real product, and thus scamming your money. Having negative reviews (or dislikes) is extremely important IMO.

[@Turnpost2552]

That sort of thing would strongly make it so that I would not use the website. Like how are the developers at Google this dum.

[@GamesForNoobs]

The reviews are all fake and don’t mean anything at all lmao

[@dibbidydoo4318]

@@Turnpost2552 you're still using their site, so they must not be dumb at all because you don't have many options.

[@LedgerLiner]

YT Realized PEOPLE NOT BUYING K O R O n a & V A X SCAM and disliking that FAKE CRAP by 100s of THOUSANDS - THIS is THE ONLY REASON!

[@chris746568462]

@@dibbidydoo4318 "because you don't have many options" You self owned yourself with your own comment.

[@theshakes]

I can't tell you how many hours I've saved being able to click off tutorials after seeing a weak like-dislike ratio, and having to waste extra time to check the comments individually will significantly increase time wasted and cause more frustration. And again, any video will a boosted amount of dislikes will affect creators MUCH less than what they will see in the comments. I mean, can't creators hide like-dislike ratio's on their own videos manually? I feel as though this issue is a no-brainer.

[@NamaDoodoo]

Precisely.

[@The_ScoleriBrothers]

I publicly like this.

[@Abshahavsghs]

100%

[@randomusernamed7307]

Even adding a feature to let creators hide dislikes on their channel while still showing likes would be fine, if you go to a tutorial and dislikes are hidden, assume it’s dodgy and find a different one

[@milanekrkane]

Thats the point. They want you to watch all videos cause of ads etc, more you spend time on searching that perfect tutorial more money you make for them. Simple. Evil.

[@MagicToenail]

I feel like youtube brought up a valid point and so did you. I feel like there is an easy solution by making it an option so when the uploader is editing and using KZbin Studio the uploader can choose whether or not they want the dislike count to show for the viewer

[@johanmat2112]

The video is so well done, there’s no dislike on this one.

[@arnoldrambo2301]

The irony of removing dislike counters to "protect creators feelings" but the creator can still see the number of dislikes anyway... Edit- Great youtube creators removed their disliked video lol

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

dislike button as far as the average viewer is concerned doesn't work anymore so there will be no dislikes in a year or two.

[@ldope3904]

@@MGrey-qb5xz im disliking every single video till its back

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@ldope3904 losing battle sadly

[@Kyle36147]

It’s a lie. They’re doing it for bigger reasons. I haven’t seen one comment on here about anyone wanting this. It’s coming from someone/thing with a lot of influence and credibility that they want to keep, but may not be warranted.

[@Smile200-z4y]

There's a free extension for the dislike button

[@tHEMADGUY1000]

KZbin NEEDS a competitor. They can literally do what they want and we have no alternatives.

[@akshanshkumawat5392]

yeah

[@JC-li8kk]

Insert Donald Trump. I think it’s called Truth Social?? Coming soon. It’s like these big corporations are trying to help him succeed.

[@wogaloo]

We have Vimeo, but it lacks the massive user base that KZbin has

[@Takeshi357]

@Right-wing SJW Sadly, this is most likely to be true. His track record in business does not point to the new platform becoming a success.

[@aiden_zae]

Agree

[@Siturba]

"KZbin actually listen to their creators" Well, they do... When they has 15M subs :)

[@slozzzy]

true, now they do whatever they want

[@anboojz]

"It's to protect small creators" "We are making the number of dislikes only visible to the creator" If the creator sees it the whole reason for the removal does not make sense.

[@AndySterkowitz]

All great points. I think the dislike button serves an important role in using KZbin effectively. I don’t mind the dislikes as a creator one bit.

[@Karmakoon18]

Yeah same here i dont mind the dislike button

[@user-zu1pe1di4r]

youtube is just shit in general, they need to make another website to compete with them

[@Voidroamer]

@@user-zu1pe1di4r this might be the first step!

[@davidnorris2009]

KZbin messes up the comment section turns off mini player for certain video then add two more things two the screen preventing me for having more than 3 tabs now this ugh

[@yume5338]

this change is for the white house channel, any video related to covid 19 and of course rewind. also probably a sprinkle of disgruntled people with youtube connections claiming "hate raids" on their terrible videos

[@ScottLowe]

This does a huge disservice to audiences like mine who use KZbin as a study tool. Learning English as a second language is hard-there are a ton of great resources for students on this platform, but there is also plenty of content that is misleading, outdated, lazy, or just plain wrong. Why make it even harder for users to know what information to trust (or at least spend their time on) when you could just... i don't know... not?

[@SupBlub]

KZbin does not care about what you want to spend your time on. They just want you to spend your time. They don't care about the accuracy of information, if you need to spend 10 minutes to find out a video was not worth watching that is not necessarily bad for them. They also really would like to be more like the other platforms and be a recommendation engine as Marques describes it. It's easier to keep people on the platform if they only consume content you provide them.

[@Frank_Lee_Terrible]

Probably this feature will not live long but the fact itself that KZbin came up with this and actually thought it'd be a positive feature is insane. Really makes you wonder what are the actual reasons they're doing it

[@TexRobNC]

This does seem to be the wrong way to go in a time when true/valid information is harder and harder to discern from fake. This whole thing seems lazy as hell. Why not make a behind the scenes algorithm that basically works like DDOS software, looking for dislike bombs and shadow blocking the downvotes to anyone but the offenders. You also give users a behind the scenes rating based on quality of their comments and rating history compared to others. So, this user downvotes every single video they watch? Well, never count their downvotes, or count it something tiny like 1/1000th of a dislike. Again, this approach by YouiTube feels lazy, they are throwing out more data, and abandoning the huge amount of self moderation the community does. Aren't they losing valuable statistics too? Puzzled all around.

[@anthonyindiana563]

Me have agree..very very me agree

[@THELOF1]

@@Frank_Lee_Terrible It's for the advertisers. If you want to sell an ad or video about products you're selling, you wouldn't want it to have a bunch of downvotes even though your product is crap.

[@archicheung]

Totally agreed and I hope KZbin can reconsider the change.

[@DioStreams]

it's almost February, and I now agree. I can't tell if something is good or not, or useful or not.

[@Ookashay]

Removing the dislike button would make people way more susceptible to scams and misinformation.

[@filonin2]

...which are a BIG part of youtube's revenue. Win-win for them.

[@binal-flecki2387]

Gonna make troll tech tips videos and pump it up with bot likes and disable comments

[@football42241]

That is the entire point.

[@Selfsufficientme]

You make a lot of sense Marques. Personally, the best way to protect people's mental health is by teaching them the skills to accept criticism and cope with bad things that might happen. By attempting to shield everyone from getting their feelings hurt simply distorts reality and reduces their ability to grow with improvement and resiliency. All the best mate👍

[@lkuaaaa]

literally

[@leonscottkennedy6860]

1984

[@aimlessali1]

Well said chief

[@cane870]

It’s called turning off the screen lol

[@connerwine8257]

@@cane870 no its called don't go on the comments section its all unprofessional

[@douglas4934]

Since they removed the dislikes, I don’t even pay attention to the likes anymore. I used to like/dislikesba LOT of videos and I don’t do it anymore.

[@Urgent_Blowout]

You said everything I was thinking! Great commentary! KZbin needs to listen! I think your ideas would do a much better job mitigating the "review bombers" especially if you're required to actually watch a video before being able to rate it. That's such a good idea.

[@Ditronus.]

"Here at KZbin, our main goal is to make sure everyone has a voice, except you, the audience."

[@nikoolay]

Couldn't be more true.

[@jwahoski6248]

The only TRUE reason they are getting rid of it is because they don’t want people seeing all the dislikes on the Official White House channel and CNN videos 🤣

[@walkermorales337]

@@jwahoski6248 it’s most likely for videos from corporations in general. That one Gillette ad from a few years back being disliked a lot or certain video game trailers being disliked a lot might not have been liked by a lot of companies and as a result they may have pulled some ads.

[@Jaylio]

@@jwahoski6248 yes outlets which report bias/misinformation media have the most benefits from the muted audience

[@latafairam]

Spot on

[@StarOnCheek]

"Other platforms don't have a dislike button" Yes, but they should...

[@alexo_pog]

yeah, right?! thats what im sayin like besides yt, i like how Facebook operates tbh, on fb people use the sad react as a dislike (if the vid is not sad)

[@alexo_pog]

All the other social media jest show the hearts which is annoying and the only way to tell something is not liked at first glance is the ratio of hearts to comments, or on Twitter there is „the ratios” sometimes

[@TheNakidGardeners]

I totally agree. Removing the count just to help a content creators mentality is just babying content creators. It's doing more harm than good.

[@abilucksanvijeyakumaran891]

As a software intern who searches for tutorials, I always use the ratio to determine about the video quality. Because tutorials are 10 min - 3 Hr commitment. I need to know wether it's worth 😅

[@NateOBrien]

Looking at the like to dislike ratio is the VERY FIRST thing I do. It saves me lot's of time. Disappointed in this decision :(

[@Kummituslinna]

Agreed, high dislike ratio videos are always the best!

[@bloodhoug82]

i actually never do

[@yaaobenewaah1697]

@@Kummituslinna except for tutorials and how tos

[@RACAPE]

@@bloodhoug82 so if you want to learn something(I'm supposing and hope that you do that), you just spend time checking the video if the information is valuable or not? In 99% of cases the like/dislike is accurate and can't help you if it's helpful. But hey, if you don't value your time, this will be a good move for you.

[@RACAPE]

@@EnigmaticLucas yes, because all that comments from the bots telling me to access a website to get free pictures of "her" are so so useful. Totally agree with you...

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I feel like a dislike is one of the least hurtful ways for a viewer to show the content is lacking. I would take a negative like to dislike ratio over a weirdly specific comment pointing out how my video sucks because the spacing between my eyes is weird, any day of the week.

[@myownsite]

Pretty sensible comment for someone with so strangely distanced eyes.

[@VladVexler]

And disliking, as well as mass disliking, can now move not just to the comment section, but to the flagging button! The result might be fear and self censorship.

[@FrankFloresRGVZGM]

Have you considered eye space surgery?

[@Nothing-xw4tf]

The like to dislike ratio also helps you to not watch bad tutorials

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@myownsite 😂

[@joshs3916]

When I found out this was happening, I was not surprised, but I never expected them to actually do it

[@jakubjacko9623]

KZbin: We are making this move for creators because we value their mental health Creators: We don´t really want that. KZbin: Yes you want!

[@jxstdevin1325]

Exactly! Like I'm sorry but what does creator need to see their failure for, Us being the viewer should see their failure so we don't fail. Not to be negative but It's not for the creators.

[@GarrettWatts]

Hard agree, Marques. I am so confused why this would be removed. Seeing dislikes has saved me countless hours of otherwise wasted time… and it for sure does not make me watch LESS KZbin, it just helps me watch better videos. In fact I’d argue that it makes me watch more KZbin.

[@animal1nstinct394]

it's being done to protect the Biden administration and their talking points because his approval rating has plummeted

[@TimFromWales]

How do you really know that those videos you skipped were a waste of time? You didn't watch them. Smaller channels or people with an opinion different to the masses can have valid things to say.

[@cosmicreaverkassadin1143]

so f*cking true, I watch first the like ratio especially to the videos like getting a free netflix account. If its real or not.

[@Robmanian]

I love you Garrett! 😄

[@lostcloud4368]

And also, If the video is a scam video the dislike ratio will be a big red flag! There's so many examples in the KZbin history where a "content creator" wanted to scam their audience (on purpose or not) but the dislike ratio SAVED lots of people!

[@LAZZAMCPE]

I might as well make a scam channel and clickbait and use harmful links cause no one will see the dislikes 🙃

[@ImXry]

Lol

[@kesaya3806]

I still see the dislike count, so I could tell if it is a scam lol

[@ImXry]

@@Sartfla most likely they won't do jackshit because a couple thousand people are nothing to a company that literally in the s&p500

[@LedgerLiner]

YT Realized PEOPLE NOT BUYING K O R O n a & V A X SCAM and disliking that FAKE CRAP by 100s of THOUSANDS - THIS is THE ONLY REASON!

[@abdullah9734]

And make KZbin more money

[@romainvincent7346]

Your review is spot on. Except I don't even think this is going to prevent "bombing". It's still possible to dislike, so people will keep doing it. **Disliking should require a minimum watch time and/or to input a short explanation.** That would not only reduce useless dislikes, but also help content creators get more helpful feedback.

[@creditwarrior9633]

if a creator cannot deal with a dislike, he/she does not deserve the tittle of creator! This move is indeed their best attempt to hide and silence the view point of the majority on a particular issue or topic of discussion, like political agendas, social engineering, wokeism and the like.

[@robdiaz]

I wouldn't be happy if I decide to go to a restaurant that has 20 positive reviews online and 200 negative ones that were hidden.

[@betterdays9877]

EXACTLY

[@LazizbekYusupov92]

Best explanation ever!

[@NightRogue77]

Well that’s just very selfish of you sir - Have you taken a moment to think of the mental stability/state of those terrible restaurant operators when they have to read all those negative reviews? Tsk tsk

[@Hgh38]

Same

[@bryanalfaro6831]

💯💯💯

[@ABM-mz5pb]

The dislike button is the only weapon we have to combat click-bait, inaccurate or prank videos which waste our time, and let other users know not to click. Please don't remove it.

[@Forward_AD]

@@iliyasshaikilu but not how many people dislike it. So no clue if it’s bad, inaccurate or wasting ur time. Because you have no information on how bad it actually is.

[@afonsovaz4186]

@@iliyasshaikilu did you not see the video mate?

[@tobiasjo1657]

@@iliyasshaikilu This is so stupid. Of course it's an expression and people can dislike stuff because of stupid reasons like "oh I don't like your voice" but it also works as a rating system for the content (good or bad, true or false...) For example there are a lot of tutorials here on KZbin. If I see that it got a lot of dislikes then I know that there is probably something wrong with the tutorial. The information can be outdated or the tutorial leaves some important steps out. A tutorial that has a lot of dislikes shows me if I should spend my time on this or if I should look for another tutorial about the topic.

[@AkaiKA4K]

@@iliyasshaikilu You must be joking. There are lots of new SpaceX, Tesla, Elon channel with plain wrong information. For eg. "SpaceX just invented nuclear engine", "Tesla unveiled new van", "Elon insane agreement with Putin". View counts on these video are insane.

[@lil4esthetic414]

btw. there is a addon in chrome to get the dislike count and ratio back its call "Return KZbin Dislike"

[@htemenmada]

Screw likes-dislikes! The 5 stars system. That was the good stuff!

[@FrankJames]

Great points, Marques, I agree with everything you say here. The like/dislike ratio is, just like you said, the first bit of info many of us look at to see if a tutorial or explainer video is going to be useful, relevant, or even that it will be correct. Furthermore, if a video is more opinion-based, I might be more likely to want to watch it if it has a high dislike ratio, because that could indicate that the creator is expressing an opinion that is controversial or unpopular, which I find interesting.

[@alexandthephoenix9154]

True

[@ronski4059]

Everyone should start leaving a comment on videos that says "Like my Comment if you Dislike the Video. " If that trend caught on, it would somewhat help to still give people a first glance view of the quality of the video and be a middle finger towards the KZbin overlords.

[@shahidulamin1550]

@@ronski4059 Stuff like that would only be relevant on platforms such as TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, etc. I truly believe bring back the dislike count to the public would be the best decision KZbin could make now.

[@yessir6251]

FYI you can still see dislikes in incognito mode. don't tell youtube shhhhhhh

[@alexh6767]

Agree but it's the same as comments how we cannot dislike them. Bring them both back

[@Kaskobi]

I think this is just youtube hiding the fact that KZbin Rewind has so many dislikes. Jokes aside, good on you marques, i agree with you on this

[@busimo]

nah, it's because dem administration gets way more dislikes and covid propaganda gets a lot of dislikes like mandatory vaccinations.

[@Zosu22]

@@busimo that doesn’t make any sense. Politics of any kind have always been heavily disliked on KZbin. A much more likely reason is that KZbin is trying to increase watch time by preventing people from immediately clicking off of a video based on the dislikes.

[@cristibaluta]

2.5K youtube employees gave dislikes to this video after they worked on this feature for an year.

[@InternetMouse]

Same. That statement could just be an excuse to forward this decision.

[@DeadEndGoose]

Honestly the way they bring it up in the video, it’s very vague and kind of passive aggressive. We already know they’ll never admit as to why they’re so disliked, so why even bring it up?

[@dhanvinvinod]

Removes dislikes to protect creators wellbeing.... Also, dislike count will be available to the creator, in the back end Honestly the worst thing KZbin has ever done.

[@Samurai__Jack]

Let’s be honest. Disabling the dislikes is like first step to CENSURE

[@Aci_yt]

I definitley agree, dislikes are an important part of the platform, much more for the general user than for creators.

[@alexandthephoenix9154]

True

[@midshipman8654]

100 percent. I dont even use it so much for finding good or bad videos, but just the general feeling of the viewing audience so far at that time. Like, I tend to like videos that have a little bit of dislikes, since it indicates that the creator isnt afraid to do something that might not be to some tastes, which is fine, sometimes i dislike things that are distasteful to me, but not out and out horrible. different strokes. And more dislikes indicates a more controversial thing, again, not necissarily bad, there are videos i liked that have a decent amount of dislikes that I can understand why some would dislike, and I wouldnt erase those dislikes if you let me. as its informative of audience feedback in the forum. it kinda indicates more of a nuance that just giving one side of the coin (like). I mean, there can be organized dislike bombings I suppose, but i dont think that danger invalidates the freedom and general utility of the dislike/like relationship gives to the veiwers as a tool of civil expression. not necissarily the quality of a video. I find it one of the most useful and engaging aspects of youtube. Or if you dont want to put your name and profile out their with a comment, but still want to be heard and see what other peoples general sentiment is. Like Marques said, its a great tool for trying to understand context

[@SleeplessSpecter]

Dislikes have nothing to do with KZbinrs. It is purely political.

[@midshipman8654]

@@SleeplessSpecter …. I disagree. I mean, if the topic in the particular video is political or if they are in some drama, it could show that. but not every video is political. Like, I dont think a laptop reviewer gets downvoted for their political views unless they are really smashing it in peoples faces. And I find most polite political videos don’t get downvoted to hell either. As a youtube user I find it very helpful. great way to gauge audience response, not nessiarily video quaity (though the two can often be related). And Like, i would say less then 5% of videos have liked/dislike abused.

[@ronski4059]

Everyone should start leaving a comment on videos that says "Like my Comment if you Dislike the Video. " If that trend caught on, it would somewhat help to still give people a first glance view of the quality of the video and be a middle finger towards the KZbin overlords.

[@SkillUp]

When people see a 98%+ like ratio they know they are (probably) about to watch some quality content. I work hard to hit that number. I work hard to make sure that when they click, they feel like it's worth sticking around because that little number tells them that this video is (probably) worth their time. And all of that is separate from the experience I have as a user, watching dozens of videos per day and quickly sizing them up in the way you describe in this video. This really is an absolutely terrible change and I hope they revert it.

[@steph_4k]

What if a video on a small channel has 9 likes and 5 dislikes... or 41 likes and 19 dislikes. Nobody thinks about the channels with smaller audiences and I find that kind of alarming since this change would impact those creators more than others if not implemented.

[@jackyyo1998]

@@steph_4k it just means they made a bad video

[@nicholasnasser8727]

Well said, holy one

[@devanandham6609]

Yo skill up what's up my dude. Some publications are posting new videos about halo infinite's campaign. You didn't happen to test out halo's campaign have you??😜😜. Loved your BF2042 video BTW

[@KotleKettle]

Now you don't have to worry about it. Just make shit content, people will only see LIKES anyway. Everyone are good no matter what, everyone's the king, you are all perfect and have no flaws!

[@justinseibert]

you can't even see dislikes on comments now. What is the point of having a like button without a dislike button?

[@chanelv5373]

Excellent video. Love how you brought in both sides and of the issue. You are so knowledgeable on the subject matter and have a very eloquent way of explaining it. Thank you.

[@EposVox]

This hurts education KZbin so much, and the "algorithm" (Search & Discovery system) does not have the capacity to account for these bad videos in other ways. If creators still see dislikes to themselves, this doesn't "protect their mental health" and if it's such a big deal, they should just manually disable ratings themselves

[@Kelson01]

Exactly!

[@sandeshbhat6844]

Well said!

[@ParasChaudhary21]

exactly, I think youtube wants to make more money :/

[@WHALEx3]

Just look at the comments bro. And also, It can totally help well being, People get on dislike trains and scroll to the comments to say mean stuff because humans SUCK.

[@robertschnobert9090]

KZbin wants to get rid of educational content. They want to spread conspir4cies and h4te. No one watches 10 hours of English learning videos, but there are people watching 10 hours of videos how lizard men control the world and that 5G makes you pansexual. 🌈

[@BlueJayYT]

Imagine going to Rotten Tomatoes to see if a movie is worth watching and instead of seeing a percentage rating all you see is how many people loved that movie. I'd hate to be tricked into seeing something awful like Percy Jackson because of that.

[@b-beluga4510]

Imagine having a working dislike button in youtube comments. We can dislike those bots. Watever

[@enriquecahua8108]

This^^ 🤣

[@shlumpmango8080]

It’s bound to happen to Rotten Tomatoes at this rate if all platforms are transitioning into this craziness

[@jordanbroomfield9365]

Love where your going with this but come on man Percy Jackson is a classic

[@ClanFenixX]

What about the director mental health? think about that too! ... al jokes aside, i get and applaud youtube for caring about that, but i agree with marques. Its a huge time saving and it also encourages creators to be better

[@luigimario6722]

Why would youtube help you find the correct tutorial right away when they can make you spend hours wallowing through the wrong ones, watching ads all the time?

[@ajpountney]

THANK YOU i'm so glad this seems to be a majority opinion, the thing i use youtube for the most is tutorials and when they are on lesser known topics you can easily filter out which one will actually help you/helped others by the like to dislike ratio. today i found out theres a chrome extension in their store that restores the dislikes thank god.

[@WorldofClash]

KZbin’s definitely removing the dislike button in anticipation for their KZbin Rewind…

[@lunayen]

There will be no rewind anymore starting this year.

[@vukasinbosanac1629]

@@lunayen you mean last year😉

[@lunayen]

@@vukasinbosanac1629 Last year doesn't exist.

[@nobunaga4720]

Lmfaaao XD wtf

[@wrxvv]

nope its because of some political thing

[@seans9168]

Another important point: This WILL ALTER they way people use the like/dislike system! Now that people understand it's no longer useful to look at the like-dislike ratio, why bother contributing to a broken system? My disgust with YT is at an all-time high.

[@quintonwilson8565]

KZbin claims dislikes still matter for content recommendation lol. Since when have you used the dislike button thinking about future recommendations?

[@TheTruth-13]

Good, if you feel any disgust then you’re a disgusting person. What comes out of you is within you. KZbin is taking the initiative to further the mental strength of KZbin watchers. Having them speak for themselves and speak on their views rather than the views of others and using it as their own. People will no longer judge a video off of the like dislike video and have to read thought out comments or watch the video themselves. “Another important point” telling us that what you’re saying is important, thinking for us. “This WILL ALTER” telling us what will happen and putting it in all caps to make it seem like it’s going to happen. so glad I can see these flaws through comments rather than a dislike button

[@timothyjholloway]

@@TheTruth-13 You disgust me. Making the world all "nice" is making it all "tolerant" instead of just. Want to know why sex offenders and murderers get the chance to reoffend? Because they're tolerated more than they deserve. If you utterly destroy a person or their rights, you forfeit your own. Don't want to show basic consideration? Then you don't deserve basic consideration. Society and the world should base itself, its actions, and its self-worth on responsibility to PREVENT problems, but someone who rapes and murders a child gets an unhappy vacation in prison if found guilty, instead of being made an examples of by being horrifically and publicly destroyed or even used for medical experimentation. Their life should be made a living hell for as long as possible and society should be willing to do ANYTHING to them. If people's mental health (happiness) is negatively affected, it's because they don't have what it takes to participate in a meaningful or appreciated way and are too weak and insubstantial to do anything but complain and shrivel up when others make it known. They can't or won't learn. Enjoying the pandemic and global warming? Well, everyone was so focused on what's normal they didn't do a damn thing to fix anything or deal with the consequences of their actions. And big business and government went along with that, exploiting the weak, stupid, uninitiated and IRRESPONSIBLE for everything, knowing they'd come out on top while losers and the losers who tolerate them would pay through the nose for costly "solutions" to the very problems they caused themselves or were encouraged in by those seeking to take advantage of them. Have fun going through the comments. I dislike you and the billions of people like you, but life is just. Nature isn't using a dislike button to clean up the planet. It's just wiping idiots who demand less public negative feedback on their work for the sake of their mental health off the fucking planet. Them and some people like me who are made to tolerate them out of survival. You should be grateful for any feedback at all. It's a warning that is being removed by people nurturing the idiocy that is so common in a world that cares more about a happiness based on what's normal than on dealing with reality to actually get things right.

[@TheTruth-13]

@MooseGoose “a way to communicate” you must have a primitive mind and can only establish communication through a button rather than a thought out response in the comments telling the creator what you didn’t like to give them a better perspective. But I can understand why primitive minds would rather hit the dislike button to confuse the creator on what they disliked. Lower forms of intelligence have a hard time understanding what communication truly is. They would rather be primitive and communicate through “good” and “bad” like cavemen

[@TheTruth-13]

@Timothy J. Holloway 🥱🥱🥱 when you learn how to summarize I may read what you have to say. Your mind is messing and out of control. Loud and unclear

[@xgudnitexgudnite228]

Thank you so much for this video! I really hope they listen. This change dramatically impacts the effectiveness of this platform as a resource. As a premium member, I highly value the ratings/ratio component. I use likes and dislikes to help other viewers find the best content. KZbin really needs some form of content rating.

[@Aca-eq4py]

in my country, Germany, we watch news channels like Bild, ARD and others on KZbin, these channels usually upload posts that are so hot and they turn of the comments so that we can't express our opinions on a news channel talking about politics, COVID news, crime and so on but the only thing that made me feel better was that I could click on the dislike button when i didn't like or i felt it was just fake or wrong or whatever reason. Now these channels benefit so much, as comments are off, and the dislikes are hidden. Which means you are FORCED to agree with them.

[@Sir_Djack]

Even if some goose thinks the opposite, peace is an option in this world. So let's do that !

[@gorgonismztruth1551]

if you remove dislikes you must also remove likes fact

[@immigrant.]

yes

[@xavia6345]

Explains tiktok

[@cdcdx2]

They still get the negative feedback lol the button is still there and content creators can still see it

[@filip9564]

@@cdcdx2 THEN WHAT IS THEIR WHOLE DEAL ABOUT HIDING IT BECAUSE "SMALL KZbinRS WANT TO KILL THEMSELEFSSS IF THY SEE MANY DISLIKES UWU;((" ARGUMENT ABOUT!

[@zebgames]

As a programmer, The dislike button helps a lot when looking for tutorials that are good and helped people.

[@carlosjacobfield-sierra3759]

My first thought

[@myg0t_jsm]

And it helps with tutorials in general, and who to trust and who not tk

[@alienkid]

Seriously. There are so many videos that have a title that makes you think it's relevant, but then you find out it's not. The dislike helps you know in seconds if you want to invest time watching it

[@PickleRickSanchez]

Hey I’m thinking about becoming a programmer. Do u recommend the job? What language do u recommend? I’m nervous to go into that job bc there seems to be so many variations of it

[@kimka3855]

@@PickleRickSanchez what type of programmer

[@NEOmnius]

All valid reasons! I hate that change as I am using KZbin primarily for learning and if something is not good I use the like/dislike ratio. Now it's not possible anymore. It's like Google is forcing users to watch anything, even if the actual video contains misinformation or is straight up damaging. Hiding that piece of information could also be interpreted as censorship or attack at the freedom of speech. Terrible decision from Google. And lastly, if some creators are mentally affected by dislikes then they should not be publishing on KZbin at all.

[@X-SPONGED]

Everyone : "This is a bad idea" KZbin : "how bout I do anyway ?" Everyone : "still a shitty idea..." KZbin : "did anyone hear anything ?"