how Day6's Jae (eaJ) ruined his image forever, and more importantly... why?

[@aidanxavier2048]

It’s not fair for people to say he shouldn’t talk about Day6 and should move on. He was a part of the group for years and it’s not a part of his life he can just erase. He wrote majority of their songs and promoted more than the company at times, and was like a brother to the other members. He made a life and a legacy that can’t be and shouldn’t be forgotten

[@ebs2874]

i will be honest. aside from the jamie thing none of this really feels like a big deal to me. even when these things were happening i felt like the reactions were way out of proportion. if he were any other kind of celebrity no one would even care but because he was an idol every word out of his mouth was criticized.

[@gragalakaisel1477]

the jamie thing really is just the one big problem. the other ones are just some normal western twitch streamer thing. but kpop fans don't to know the truth that for the most part idol industry is not "Authentic" like he said so they're mad at him saying he is badmouthing kpop industry and his former band and the fans. like how did they come up with that conclusion when it's so obvious kpop industry isn't authentic. there have been so many cases of idols being a creep or worst yet they still can't accept that some of the idols aren't angels. As for the Jamie thing. it sucks because he apologized to her already, to her mom and everyone closely related to her. she forgave him and even explained that she knew that Jae didn't mean to be a mean person and that he is not that kind of a person. yet people can't forgive him and they keep bringing it back as if that's helping Jamie. they keep trying to gaslight Jamie into thinking she shouldn't have forgave him lol. most kpop fans are just insane in general.

[@BugHwi]

Same, I was rolling my eyes at stans trying to cancel him, but when the situation with Jamie happened, it was inexcusable.

[@Miomena]

I agree. The Jamie-thing was the only thing that is problematic. The rest wouldn't be a deal for other people.

[@macca.7988]

YESS, the hating was too much

[@lunekyh]

completely agree, THANK YOU for voicing this

[@Mylife-clueless]

It actually feels like jae is turning over a new leaf now and rethinking all his mistakes and how he responded to them. It probably has to do with a comment he said (in the zach sang inteview) that it felt like he was mentally stuck in his trainee/debut age and that he is just now maturing and catching up.

[@Puguita-0cto]

I think he just didn’t know how to talk like a celebrity. He simply just talks like a regular person, you know, we use sarcasm, we joke around, have some dark humour even. Even though I think what Jae said weren’t even that bad (outside of the Jaimie incident) he should’ve been so much more careful. It obviously didn’t seem like he was media trained, but now when he’s on twitch he’s way more careful now and a lot more mellow.

[@spacespace652]

@@Puguita-0cto I completely agree and also saw that as one of his biggest problems. It's not a matter of him not being allowed to speak his mind, but his inability to articulate his thoughts to his desired audience. He has thoughts that other artists were able to say without the same backlash (a lot of his similar thoughts around the industry, lost members, dark/sexual humor are said by people like Bangchan, BM, Keeho, etcetera) because they know how to relate their regular-person experiences in the way a public figure should express them! Im glad he's mellowed out and I also do think it helps that he's with more people who are guiding him to better public behaviors. I do wish him the best

[@TokkiStar]

I attended his show in Houston last year, and the theme of the concert focused on self-reflection and letting go of past mistakes. So I agree.

[@duskagony1653]

@@Puguita-0ctopeople treat “idols” inhuman like there supposed to be a perfect ideal god/goddess when they are human bound to make mistakes

[@mx.confused]

Although I completely understand why some people don't like Jae and I believe those feelings are justified, I also think… hating(?) on him so much is useless. He's apologized or showed remorse for almost if not everything he's done and he's a good person in a lot of other ways. Bringing up his past actions in completely unrelated situations really feels like it doesn't serve a purpose. Like beating a dead horse. The only controversial thing he's doing right now is talking about Day6 and I don't think that's “bad” I think that he has a right to do so and you have a right to dislike it, but I don't think it justifies hating on him. I think people also need to realize that Jae was genuinely mentally unstable at the times he made a lot of his actual mistakes and hurt by the industry. While this does not absolve him of it, I do think the fact that he's in a better mental state now and no longer displaying those behaviours says something. Also side note addressing some of the things in this vid: I personally don't think the sugar daddy thing is offensive (or its offensiveness is subjective in the way he pointed out) and the further apology for the ableism came with a live stream that was much more through on the topic (not that that excuses the dismissive attitude or anything, but he did seem to eventually take it more seriously). I do think that Jae had a sort of "everyone just wants to start a hate train against me" attitude, (probably not helped, or even caused, by his mental illness and frequent use of the internet or the sort of "is this actually a problem?" controversies like the sugar daddy one) that he really sort of hung onto even when he genuinely did seem to feel bad about the actions themselves. I think that why a lot of people were frustrated with him, too; he seemed still on the defensive and it kinda felt like excuses or a "you can't be mad" attitude. I think that why what happened with Jamie hit him so hard, it wasn't just faceless fans on the internet. He's really shed that entire demeanor since he left the industry and his health improved, I think people don't really realize that.

[@archivesunset4214]

bro made fun of blm and was racist...yet ur trying to blame it on his mental health?? having mental health issues doesn't make u racist overnight

[@earth2kira]

this is well said. i also take issue with people saying the interview came at suspect timing- if anything, those feelings should be pointed towards zach sang instead of jae, since that interview was filmed in advance

[@archivesunset4214]

@@earth2kira u do realize interviews are usually scheduled to be posted at a certain time not just dropped randomly

[@earth2kira]

@@archivesunset4214 yeah i do, actually. the main point is that regardless, jae isn’t the one in charge of zach sang’s upload schedule

[@xXxNeonPrincessxXx]

I'd like to add that he's only talked about Day6 once in the past 2 years after he has left a group. There was even a viral post from one interviewer in ID who talked sht about him bc his conditions on interviews were not to mention day6, and call him Jae. So I think finally talking about day6 again should be fine, especially since he has not said anything negative about the members and the group and is in a much better headspace.

[@emosoob]

honestly? i don’t get why people still hate jae. yeah, he had controversy because of one (1) thing he said, and jamie has already forgiven him. the victim is fine, why aren’t you? feels like a forced reason to hate. they’ll talk about how he hurt jamie just as a gotcha moment, not because they actually care about jamie (evident because they’ve never, ever mentioned her once on their profiles aside from that incident or streamed her music) jae’s an amazing artist now, i absolutely love his music. personally for me, he was the reason i was into day6. his voice was my favourite to listen to. it just feels .. slightly empty without him (not to hate on the other 4, i love them and the music they’re putting out still)

[@gragalakaisel1477]

honestly. like just think about jamie too. like you'd be pissed too if you were Jamie and you kept seeing people bringing it back when you as the victim have moved on and using your past drama as an attack to someone. kpop fans are just stupid in general.

[@emosoob]

@@gragalakaisel1477 right? like seeing that issue resurface every month when i’ve already moved on / trying to move on from it would be so exhausting and frustrating. and their only two responses are “jae called jamie that” and “jae hates day6”

[@user-mAfuNqrSe020x]

​@@gragalakaisel1477I've been in that position before, it pissed me off so much that i snapped at the person who used me as a reason to hate someone. The moment i snapped at them, they began to hate me and harrassed me daily until i threatened to beat them up💀coincidently, that person is a hardcore kpop stan too.

[@trinichan5103]

All i know is when he said he wanted his 20s back that shit hurt me and im not even a fan. Wish him the best.

[@dearyoongi]

the comment about spending his twenties kinda got me too... the feeling of something you spent years putting your heart and soul into now just feeling like it's getting erased must be awful :(

[@macca.7988]

Same

[@Eajjae09]

and today he release his ep, his song i just want my 20s back is just so heart wrenching

[@SoraiaLMotta]

True.

[@oomay1925]

Tbh I feel like some of these controversies are blown out of proportion. He's not perfect and I feel like people expected him to be. He's allowed to be critical of the idol industry based on his own personal experience. It's not a well hidden secret that the industry is toxic and highly controlling. It didn't come off as dissing his band mates. The only big controversey that I think he was rightfully criticized for what he said to Jamie. Jae, his humour, and beautiful vocals were a big part of Day6, but I really hope the best for him with his solo career.

[@melodysong9453]

I agree!

[@wherethesunsets]

well, the "we are not that authentic" comment did come across to me as dissing(?) them or disrespectful to the band to be honest. I don't know how he meant it. I remember thinking "Not authentic in what sense?" "What do you not sing yourselves or are posing in the rock genre or something?" And I do remember people questioning the same thing like "how much more "authentic" your rock and sound could be?".Or like in the sense that "they actually hated each other?"(which seems like they didn't, still seems tho). It was off-putting at best and discrediting/disrespectful to them at worst since the comment was directed like a compliment towards Day6 and how he responded was a rebuttal, felt like a grudge towards D6 and not necessarily towards who he actually was mad at.

[@melda.syovina]

Yes, I agree with you... Jae has never done drugs or done any criminal acts. He is very straightforward & outspoken, very brave to be honest that he is human like the rest of us. He can make mistakes, he has emotions & can feel hurt too as human being.

[@melodysong9453]

@@wherethesunsets Hi! I just wanted to respond rq. Realistically, the KPOP industry is so cookie cutter, iykwim? Chances are, genuine music artists might want to explore would never truly make it in the KPOP industry, which is why it might not be as “authentic” as Jae thought it should be. Of course, DAY6 has made some wonderful music but the KPOP industry will never be a genuine industry. It’s entertainment, catered to please fanatics to win over their hearts and most importantly - their money. He certainly could have worded it better so that it didn’t feel like a jab to DAY6, and again, he restates that he was immature and angry at the time, but I think I understand what he meant.

[@wherethesunsets]

​@@melodysong9453 Oh for sure bestie, there is no denying (even here in the west) that labels can and/or are cookie cutter more so over there, like just look at how those concepts for each group are created to the T. Yeah, I eventually guessed even tho Day6 is pretty heavily involved with the music because they are a band and even when they have commented, YoungK especially, about their involvement in the music and creative process that maybe he wanted another approach or explore more with the Day6 sound/image in general. Because although yeah they wrote a lot and composed even, what goes on a final album and the other aspects of a kpop comeback/release do involve loads of other people, departments and a hierarchy of decision-making (this last one is a very sturdy one, considering cultural contexts) that eventually can limit their creative route, and that THAT was his anger towards "Day6". Not at them obvs. And besides his anger at the management. Also maybe at the possibility of what more they could be without those limitations even. Still for me- and I saw that I was not the only one at the time - that kinda saw his comment first-hand in the sense of like a jab at his own band, it sparked a protective feeling over the others. And yeah for sure I agree that he could have worded himself a LOT better, not only on that comment but in a lot of those controversies was also a lack of knowing how to express himself and his anger outlet as well. I also believe that's why a lot of mydays (myself to some extent too) felt hurt because of how mean he worded himself in many of those instances. Like this saying in Spanish that translates to "It's not that you call me a b*tch, is the b*tchy way you said it". Also even when he was known to be sarcastic he constantly cleaned the air afterwards, but then and there he did not, it was very puzzling for the fandom at the time.

[@girlshushhhh]

a lot of this guys controversies is him not realizing that his audience, kpop stans, are very sensitive lol

[@gragalakaisel1477]

true lol. all of their complains are mostly just nothing burger really.

[@RandalReid]

Exactly

[@Newfiii]

ya pretty much everything in this is nothing, he did nothing wrong except be funny but because he was an idol he's not allowed to do that

[@honoluluw]

I'll never forget how people made fun of how his hair looked greasy during the twitch stream where he apologised, he was so obviously not doing well mentally and not taking care of himself

[@dearyoongi]

omg I didn't know about that, people can be really awful :(

[@monomana1032]

there was also that streamer that claimed to be a friend of jamie, ridiculing jae (a little bit deserving, but not their place to do so, theyre not even a fan). turns out that streamer is now also problematic on the vtuber scene, calling just abt anyone their friend and trying to raise their rep by minimizing harrassment.

[@eniddeltacross4410]

I think twitch was his outlet during those days when he was mentally unstable. I kinda relate to him, cause me too is also taking GED/anxiety meds for years now. You can be ok for now then eventually you will relapse even though u have been cleared medically.

[@boxingelfis1499]

Wow, when Jae realised that he had really hurt his friend Jamie, it felt like that was a turning point for him. Also, really good analysis and video!

[@dearyoongi]

I agree, I think the harsh reality of hurting somebody he cared about kind of opened his eyes! And thank you so much 😊

[@mmq4017]

Right! Its like any human, we make mistakes, we all have hurt people we love without realizing, but whats important is that we apologize and become better !

[@yoonsope]

There are things he said that shouldn't be excused, however I can't help but feel bad for him. I've been following Day6 since 2017 and I've often felt that people treated him more like a comic relief than an actual artist (the way people engage with english speaking idols in general is a whole entire can of worms that should absolutely be opened and discussed tbh). Quite franky, I might not have been able to handle some of the situations better than he did and I can understand why someone in his position would be frustrated. I've seen takes that other idols also struggle with mental health and don't act the way he did - which I also find harmful, because you can't dump everyone who strugglees in one bag and expect them to have the same experience. Jae doesn't strike me as a bad person, just one that was unable to handle his plate at the time. I genuinely hope he's managed to heal and will do better in the future.

[@katgreer6113]

yeah. ive noticed that people take english speaking idols very unseriously. besides from being translators, they are typically just comic relief. their talents are looked over and people feel more comfortable making fun of them

[@gabbbyperezz]

@@katgreer6113I feel like the problem with kpop fans is that they crave “authenticity” from their idols until they actually get it. There’s been so many times now, most likely with English speaking idols like Jae, Bam Bam, Jackson, Jaime, Bang Chan, Amber, Somi, etc where as soon as they speak their mind or share an opinion that goes against the Korean cultural norms that they’re called rude and problematic. I think a big reason is because you can actually understand what they’re saying compared to an idol that only speaks Korean.

[@zerobaseone_TimeLessWorldTour]

Jae was not built to handle unique SKorean Celebrity culture esp the type for Idols, he wanted his 20s to be able to be a musician not a celebrity...not a celebrity dealing with the intensity of k-fans & k-public...he was raised as an American & gravitated to a more Bro-culture way of interacting publically & that meant controversy for Koreans who don't understand and cannot forgive...if jae carves out success as eaJ internationally the Day6 fans will re-embrace him...until then just live successfully by making music!

[@day6hwaiting708]

Exactly. I feel like he's done quite well for himself. People do really underestimate the success of rebranding because there's an entire group of his fans which he gained organically that don't even know Day6. I joked with a few MyDays that Chappell Roan tends to remind me of Jae. Once he has established himself well enough, I think that's when people will start opening up to the idea of his return whether or not he chooses to.

[@saya-mi]

Yeah, I remember him saying they're molding idols into a shape like a cookie dough, but he already came as baked cookie and it felt like they were breaking off pieces of him. Either way, I can't come back to Day6 and their new songs because I can't handle the tought they're 4 now. I know it's not fair, but that's how I feel now. I miss his voice, he was my favorite member because of the voice, so I'll just follow him for now.

[@sunoosmom4011]

It often seemed to me that he was just too American and didn't fit into the Korean social culture regarding idols.

[@sonataofjune]

@@saya-mi do you remember where he said that? that's actually a great metaphor to put this whole situation into perspective.

[@helenovsk]

I don't think Day6 fans will re-embrace him 😭😭😭😭 As it was expected, their album name divided the fandom opinions as well and it created so many fights on the Internet. Many people posted their thoughts and I commented agreeing with a fan criticizing the name. I added it sounded disrespectful to me, because it was kinda erasing him. The result? People from countries from the other side of the world came at me super furious, cursing and claiming how much better the band is now and how they don't owe Jae anything. The person who did the original post (which I just left a comment) had to priv her account because of the hate she received (even though she worded her opinion in a super respectful way). This fandom is now full of Jae haters, and it made the experience of being their fan so stressful. I've been loving them since 2015, but being a MyDay isn't fun anymore.

[@floweryoungk]

Jae has the right to talk about Day6, it's a part of his life, and he did so without badmouthing the band, so what’s the problem?

[@tyun553]

Well, he once said that Day6 were fake/not genuine and made posts that showed some envy towards YK's promotions. Besides he took credit for the fact that Day6 was getting recognition, as if the others didn't help at all. That's why many Mydays have turned the page and they want people to no longer associate him with the band, since Day6 are only 4.

[@chickenwings2248]

Kinda random and unrelated but the sugar daddy incident was soo funny and I actually giggled when it first became a problem. Thats smth I would totally do and made him feel real and relatable.

[@shaynadonovan7684]

Isnt it because of cultural difference ? Sexual joke in a mouth of an idol doesnt look good and since he work in korea..idk. they wouldnt survive in my country 😂

[@day6hwaiting708]

So, here's the thing, even if I'm not a solo fan of his, I can kinda see why people are attracted to him because he's just that much more human because of his flaws. The crucial thing is, he owns up to his mistakes and learns from them. I don't think his image is tarnished *as* people make it out to be because the fact he could go back to Korea and host a mini concert and a fanmeeting (apparently with a massive crowd outside his venue) is kinda wild considering most members who leave a group on their accord would be cancelled like mad. There's really two groups of people who heavily dislike him, MyDays who feel 'betrayed' and general kpop fans hung up on the several incidents. Imo the hate in the latter is definitely way more pronounced because a lot of the perception towards him is stuck in the twitch era when actually overtime he has grown to become a more conscientious person. I am a MyDay and we skirt around the topic but there are indeed factions grouped according to personal feelings towards him. Most just dislike the fact that he seems to pick and choose when day6 is allowed to be included in interview conversations (there was a time where interviewers weren't allowed to raise these topics) and because of the group's recent success, a few (I do mean just a few but very loud fans) speculate so much that it was a calculated move that he's now comfortable speaking about his past. My perspective tends to be more nuanced, time has passed and he's had time to digest his departure so he's detached enough he can comment on those experiences in a more grounded manner. Was the timing coincidental? Maybe. But I do think he was comfortable enough speaking on a sensitive topic with a interviewer he felt was more trusthworthy. Idk, imo he was simply someone who was accessible digitally and thus, it became easy for anyone to actively hate on him. Other problematic idols could lay low and ride out the wave, but because his social media presence is strong, people will never rest. Also, as much as he has lost favour among general kpop fans, he seems to building quite a fanbase for himself as a soloist. I'm speaking this from the perspective that my friend who is a 88 rising fan knows him simply as eaJ. So even if he can never return to kpop, his music career seems to be growing quite organically. He's not viral but he does have a decent listening audience from what I can feel online.

[@vanessarl8]

Totally!! And I don't know how the korean mydays feel in general but I do know in all the Day6 songs I still read comments from k-mydays saying how they miss him and love his voice so imo that speaks volumes!

[@Bubut3980]

He is now an American artist not a Korean artist so please leave him alone. His songs are so incredible and different from Day6.he’s got his own style of music and fanbase . He’s getting more shows and opening on more of American music groups like Imagine Dragons. I am one of his fans just love his music Keep your opinion to yourself

[@lemeun9380]

well i also came across a tweet where it said that the interview was filmed before day6 comeback so it’s most likely indeed a coincidence

[@vanessarl8]

@@lemeun9380 Yes and read too bc he is promoting his EP that will release soon or released? and he's about to open the west-coast leg of the Imagine Dragons tour

[@day6hwaiting708]

@@Bubut3980um I have been pretty respectful? In no way did I say he was a Kpop artist. Did you even read my second paragraph

[@oomay1925]

As someone who is neurodivergent and doesn't always pick up on sarcasm, I don't at all think he was being ableist (only speaking for myself). Ya I get his response was a bit snarky, but he for sure didn't have any ableist intent. Sarcasm isn't inherently ableist. While I get why neurodivergent people don't appreciate when people use sarcasm, I think we should understand that just because not catching social cues is a common trait for us, we can't blame anyone who doesn't have those traits- or is neurotypical- for simply not knowing about that part of ADHD or autism when they use sarcasm casually. I also feel like Jae's failure to pick up on how his sarcasm came across (as rude and snarky), actually does highlight his own neurodivergent trait as coming off as blunt or "rude" when that wasn't his intention.

[@FluffyMarsu]

YESSS thank youuu, I can come off so blunt and ride when I'm just being kinda snarky and trying to get my point across! I'm either that or wayyyy overly nice but then people don't listen to you, you know? I am ADHD, so (',',':

[@nabi_zzzs]

I think the only issue I had with him was when he called Jamie that, but I pretty much agree with everything else that he said BESIDES that. The Jamie comment was definitely really strange to say about someone who is supposed to be a friend and I'm glad he apologized to her. I'm ngl the Twitch gamer edginess was a bit annoying back then but not worth harassing him constantly over, and he definitely has matured since then and you can tell that he has, so I think people should show a little more grace to him now.

[@lilm57]

I didn’t realize his “reputation is ruined.” I think he’s just too frank and American for the very proper (?) Koreans. Just about anything will cause a scandal over there. I guess a lot of Western World Gen Z are quite sensitive and politically correct as well. He should probably focus his efforts on less sensitive target audiences.

[@gragalakaisel1477]

yeah that's it. like his reputation aren't exactly ruined. it's just for most koreans and actual twitter braindead people that like cancel culture and sht. any sane person will find his mistakes forgivable and just move on. but some of the hate is literally just for the sake of hating. like he's saying the kpop industry isn't all that authentic and people lost their minds as if that wasn't so obvious. but then again that's like 90% of kpop fans. thinking their idols are these angels that's so perfect. but outside of kpop Jae still has a very good reputation.

[@spacespace652]

Looking back at Jae in in retrospect, I do think he was really just an artist who went to the wrong industry. He was an independent creator who could not handle being under a company. A lot of his issues stem from the fact that he finds being "manufactured" as a bad thing, when in reality it's just the path other people would like to take (having less creative control, trusting other people with the art you represent, etc.). He had to work and live with that for years, and now that he's out of it... the "ruined image" is a lot like a wasted image of what he could've been. He could have been eaJ but he needed to grow out of being an artist under StudioJ/JYPE, blaming his lack of control and agency (artistic direction and persona-building) to his past.

[@macca.7988]

Yes but some kpopers really owe an apology to Jae, because all of the hate and the harrasment they did to him and they're still doing it. Jae didn't deserve any of that, he's grown a lot and he's no that bad person everyone wants to think he is.

[@macca.7988]

Also support him! his new ep "when the rain stopped following me" will be realised today!!!

[@dokkaebi..]

maybe it’s because i myself have a lot of mental health issues, but i see myself a lot in him and his sincerity. i don’t think he’s the horrible person people make him out to be, and i can tell the hate has hurt him a lot. i hope he heals and creates a successful career for himself

[@hwafoto]

omg same. if only people can see him the way I see him (and I see myself a lot in him too). he's not a bad person:(

[@mmq4017]

People saying “why is he talking abt day6 now after 2-3 years” well he literally just didnt get a chance to do this back then! And if he did he would’ve been in even more controversy for no reason, seriously kpop fans are never happy, it shows that they literally hate him for NO reason.

[@mwon1673]

literally most of these are labeled "controversies" wouldn't even be controversies if he wasn't an 'idol' kpop fans are so soft and sensitive sorry not sorry. especially korean ones. its simply cultural differences. and he doesn't owe anyone an apology (expect for jamie herself that was terrible to say, definitely deserved to be called out for it but they're on good terms now so like move on). he isn't built for south Korea and he seems to be in a better place now and im happy for him i hope he gets the recognition he deserves for his work because he is great

[@melodysong9453]

Jae’s done so much thinking, you can visibly tell. I feel like he’s matured so much and I’m genuinely so proud of him. He should be criticized for his mistakes but he shouldn’t be hated for aspects of situations that were out of his control. Also, fundamentally, he points this out as well but cultural differences are a huge factor because what’s accepted in Korea is vastly different from what’s accepted in the US. It’s clear that what he said to Jamie should not have been said whatsoever, but some other issues are just a difference in how you view it, to be honest. In addition, I’ve always felt that his mental health and view of himself was so relevant to his actions, if that makes sense.

[@shri_shti_]

Although a lot of the things are correct in this video, there’s a lot that goes into his controversies (apart from Jamie one) that only fans know of, but nobody’s ready to listen or do the research bc all people wanna do is hate. And he’s apologised so many times, he’s apologising to this day for the mistakes he’s made. He even apologised for the skz thing (which in totally unbiased opinion is just silly and shouldn’t have been such a huge controversy). I just don’t know what else do people want him to do. I’ve never seen a celebrity who’s actually shown growth and acknowledges their mistakes. But even when his apologies are so sincere I’m afraid he’ll never be forgiven just because people love to hate.

[@idir7981]

Like i always say ppl are using his mistakes to justify their hate for him. So even he apologize or changed to a better person these ppl will nvr open their mind and heart to accept that which is sad coz no one is perfect

[@shri_shti_]

@@idir7981 it’s sad but it’s even more sad that people go out of their way to make shit up and spread lies just because they hate him.

[@soralution]

6:49 tbf if keeho from p1won said this, I assume this would've been taken in a more lighthearted and funny way (as at the current moment even tho there no audio attached to this clip, I assume the tone was more light hearted) That's all lol

[@The_Binninator]

Honestly for most of this video I was like "oof, people really want to hear and assume the worst whenever this guy opens his mouth"

[@HayleeCoded]

Ngl I thought keeho actually said this and I went back to the timestamp😭 but yeah and I feel like keeho’s fanbase is used to his jokes and sarcasm and maybe Jae’s fanbase don't understand it ig.

[@shaynadonovan7684]

​@@HayleeCoded In my opinion it wasnt always that way I swear . There was a time where the fandom was very chill he would roast his own member freely, the fandom wasnt always like this... things on twitter weren't taken that seriously. But Something shifted around 2020, ever since he went solo something shifted

[@spacespace652]

oh keeho would definitely say this hahahahaha although, i do think jae didnt get the haha keeho treatment because his "beef" with jype was a lot more aggressive that time and making a comment like that about a group in the same company seems less jokey to many

[@monomana1032]

​@@shaynadonovan7684i guess the shift was the amount of outsiders cuz of the demon album and the pandemic. we were chill, and the hate felt so forced, until he left.

[@soralution]

Either way regardless, how Jae responded seems to be a better call (also a bit more mature than his youthful days) as I would also feel genuinely hurt if they purposely left me out of something I love so dearly He's genuinely hurt and will need time to go thru these feelings in whatever ways he can so why not just let him grieve and heal slowly

[@princess-from-another-gala1521]

Aside from the Jamie thing, all of the others were silly and people took them way out of proportion

[@aexyj]

Everything that he went through while he was in Korea only rooted from his former company. If they only treated him right, his mental and emotional state wouldn't have been shattered. Sad to say, the company that should have built him completely ruined him.

[@_nin00]

True kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3-2Y6pvhJaJsK8si=CmEEf0j0zEC-Apm5

[@naurrr]

so many of these are deeply unserious and people just getting mad at him being a little dramatic and candid instead of some poster child of perfect media training. if I was on a game livestream being badgered about another group, I'd probably lash out too. I'm glad he's learning but I really don't find any of his mistakes unforgiveable at all especially considering the scope of how horrendously some idols with careers have behaved even recently.

[@gragalakaisel1477]

they're just salty that an Idol is streaming on twitch and that made them feel like he's closer and can be interact with. but they keep asking about someone he has no idea of and he shut them up so they got mad lol. like you're not gonna be in like moistcritikal's stream or kai cenat's stream and keep asking for mr beast like that's just so stupid

[@gabbbyperezz]

The sugar daddy controversy seems like such the biggest overreaction?? Like, so many people, even kpop fans make that joke. Same with defending JYP. If you’re going to give him shit for that, literally give shit to every single JYP artist past and present that is on good terms with him. 2PM, Wonder Girls, Rain, GOT7, Jaime, Yerin Baek, Twice, DAY6, Stray Kids Nmixx etc. You may not like him as a person, but people who actually know him personally seem to be okay with him, and if that bothers you, hold them accountable too. With the Stray Kids comment. Literally people need to grow up. Don’t go into a person’s stream and ask for someone else. That’s just rude straight up and other idols have said the exact same thing when they do vlives and fans ask for other members. For people getting mad about him being up DAY6… again, grow up. He’s more than allowed to talk about a group when he was the one actually in it and committed nearly 10 years of his life to. If you’re mad about, that’s somthing you need to get over. Same with his critiques of the kpop industry. So many kpop fans like to criticize these companies for their mismanagement, lack of promotion, and neglect of the mental health of their idols, but when an idol actually does it it’s a bad thing? How do you expect things to get better if nobody actually calls their bosses out on their bs publicly. Especially with JYP/Studio J that has also been called out by past artists besides Jae. He could have went about it a better way for sure, but his feeling are justified. The only controversy that he deservedly hate for was the Jaime one. He 100% fucked up, and he admitted that, and Jaime absolutely had the right to call him out. He said that he didn’t know the full extent of the word, and Jaime said he wouldn’t have called her that if he did know, but still, that doesn’t make it right, even if he was struggling deeply with his mental health at that time. That may be a justification , but it is not an excuse.It’s good that he has grown since then, and hasn’t made any mistakes in nearly 3 years. People deserve to grow and learn from their mistakes as long as it seems like they genuinely want to be a better person, which imo Jae is displaying.

[@fruitybts]

This!!! People always preach about their idols being so "savage" or "silly" but when then hate on others for it?? If it was any big name idol, you wouldn't see all these problems for a lot of these controversies because their fans would just eat it up

[@_nin00]

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[@neadedios3106]

@@_nin00hi friend just letting you know that posting links in the comments section (esp under multiple comments) might get you flagged for spam

[@Riri-gn1of]

This was actually a very interesting topic that isn't really talked about, I knew some things but now I have much more context. You were very through, considerate, but direct where needed, thank you for such a good video

[@mmq4017]

Fans say idols are human, when its abt someone they like! But its not the case when it comes to jae😭 He did make mistakes but again hes human, whats more important now is that he learnt from those mistakes! Like imagine making a mistake 2 years ago and people still bringing it up constantly for 2 YEARS!!! its actually mentally exhausting!!

[@peebee-nk8vh]

He just shared on his recent interview that he got his tattoos in a way to trying to stop himself from s/elf ha/rm. And he got his first tattoo in September 2021 that was before everything went down. He said it once in one of his shows that he almost unalive himself in jan 2022 and that jamie incident happened on 9th jan 2022 so i kinda get him where did those thoughts come from. But September 2021, everything was not that bad and he c/ut himself before that, it means he was in a really dark place even before things went down. I’m glad he made it through, reflected on what he did wrong and become a person he is today.

[@gabrielamwave1329]

i dont think there are enough words to describe how thankful i am for you for making this video. i became a day6 fan in 2020 only a few months before everything started to crumble with jae and i can say i saw all the drama around him. even tho i always stayed by his side, forgiving and supporting, trying to be patient cuz i knew he was struggling with a poor mental health, there were times i felt very upset at him (the jamie's incident for example). after his departure from the band i was so frustrated i decided to take a step back from stanning him e muted his twitter and instagram accounts. when the fourever album name was dropped, i felt bad for him. and there was when i started to think more lightly about him and everything he did. i would say that the terrible name the company chose was the reason i officially became a jar 😂 anyways, what it's so important to me is that jae is now showing how he understands everything he did wrong and is trying to make his amends. he is humble and i love and am proud of him for that. i hope he continues to grow and be happy forever ❤

[@akaikeshi1906]

I dont think he ruined anything. He's just human. People are too harsh

[@Wildkidnoremak]

This is really a 23 minute nothing burger of a video.

[@listentoday6]

It's really sad that a lot of people don't like him now it's solely bc of hate train.

[@franciellyaraujosantos6534]

I only knew about what happened to Jamie and that he was really edgy in his twitch channel. His situation is really sad and it shows us the dark side of Kpop. Idols hurt a lot and yet companies always prioritizes their good image just for money. I’m glad Day6 is doing well and he is focusing on his music.

[@greynikcore]

as a fan of jae and day6 both i just want to thank you for approaching the topic with maturity and with trying to speak with the least bias possible about it , its a breath of fresh air among opinions about him carried by someone's emotional response rather than rationality so i appreciate it

[@nick3805]

An Aspect might also be the ADHD he mentioned he has? One of the many Symptoms in which ADHD expresses itself is saying more or less whatever comes to Mind or even just talking a lot. And because you don't really think about what you say, it can land you in very tricky Situations. I have it myself and have had such Experiences as well. It's just less problematic for me because I'll just offend the one or two People I'm speaking to while Jae is sitting on the "Präsentierteller", the Presentation Plate, as we say in Germany, and will offend Tenthousands if he isn't careful which is probably very difficult for him, through he seems to understand now how important the whole Business is and thus tries to pay more Attention. And Anger Management isn't exactly someone with ADHD's strong Suit either, in most Cases, which probably was a Factor in his Non-Apologies too.

[@archivesunset4214]

yall gotta stop making mental health as a excuse

[@nick3805]

@@archivesunset4214 I'm not saying that he's not accountable for his Actions, you'd know that if you had properly read my Comment as I literally say that he seems to have relised how important him being able to control what he says is and appears to be doing better, clearly indicating him being to some Degree able to control himself. I'm just saying that if you have ADHD, and this is both medically so as well as in my own Experience, controlling how much you say and what is more difficult, as one of the Main Symptoms of ADHD is Impulsiveness. Not saying that's impossible just harder. I say it's an Aspect, one of many that might or might not play into this.

[@archivesunset4214]

@@nick3805 so his adhd made his weirdo and racist tendencies more impulsive?...oh okay got it

[@archivesunset4214]

@@nick3805 so his adhd made his racist midset more impulsive.. got it

[@nick3805]

@@archivesunset4214 Excuse me, I might not have caught it (you know, because of the ATTENTION-DEFICIT-Hyperactivity-Disorder) but where in the Video was he once mentioned to have been racist? I'd seriously like to know. If it wasn't mentioned in the Video you couldn't blame me either Way (besides, I looked it up and couldn't find anything about it aside from one single Reddit Comment briefly mentioning it) - I honestly don't really care about him at all, I didn't like Day6's Music either, so yeah. Just randomly stumbled accross the Video and put out one of my Thoughts on the Role a Condition he seemingly has could have had on the whole Ordeal based off what is known scientifically about it and my Experiences with it as someone who also has it. It's not that deep.

[@sapphic.flower]

Jae isn’t my cup of tea but I’m glad he’s confronting his behaviour and learning. We all start somewhere.

[@dearyoongi]

absolutely the right mindset to have! you can personally not vibe somebody but at least appreciate that they are trying to learn from their past behaviours, and I hope that is what he's doing.

[@AEChronicler]

Idk about anyone, I just hope he can really grow even more as an artist and a more mature person. People criticize the man as if we, ourselves, haven't done wrong things.

[@milk__teee]

Something I never understood was how people because attack him like he’s seungri or other idols that actually committed crimes. His only problem was calling Jamie a thot, which was an asshole move, but I’m not gonna expect someone who was stuck in Korea for years to actually know how to properly use the word thot. I’m a Gen z kid, I grew up during the early 2010’s and thot was most used in 2016 by the clout chasing part of the internet. It obviously has bad meaning, and it was a shit move, but it’s not like he’s seungri the way people paint him. The way kpop fans act and try to moral high ground him when they’ve definitely said shit just as bad in their personal lives is just weird. Like I see people say that he’s an extremely bad person and they can’t ever let go of him calling Jamie a thot and I’m just weirded out by this, if you said that about Hyuna and her soon to be husband, I would understand because of what hyunas fiancé has done in the past. But what did Jae really do? People try to say that he did this for his incel twitch viewers, but as someone who was watching him in 2020/21, they do know that he was getting clowned by most streamers and most of his fans that were watching were his day6 fans, maybe 10-20 percent at most were “incel” twitch fans, but I remember those people in chat were mainly his kpop fans, or fans of his Eaj music he was releasing. I mean he played games, but he was like when the artist Keshi would stream on twitch. The people that watched Keshi were his fans. They would ask Jae about music, kpop, day6 all the time. There’s literally clip channels of Jae from that time in 2020, he talks about kpop a lot, he talks about his music. Those twitch viewers weren’t incels he was trying to cater towards those were his kpop fans, and I wanna say that does make what he say to Jamie a little worse, but I needed to clear that rumour. Kpop fans that hate idols for pretty much minuscule things always bring up very fake things to clearly bring them down even though the truth is a lot less bad.

[@dawnrose1971]

Tbh zach (the guy hosting the podcast) is known for asking really personal unwarranted questions to his guests for likes and views. There have been multiple incidents where guests have asked him not to be asked certain questions but he asks them anyway to put them on the spot. I'm not saying that's what happened here, I have no idea. But I'm not surprised he asked such a question, because he knew it would get him the engagement

[@_nin00]

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[@thunderpunks]

thanks for this video i was wondering what happened with jae cuz all i knew was that he left the group! you covered the topic rly well and ur voice is lovely!

[@dearyoongi]

thank you so much 🥺💖

[@sugarmilk28]

This is what's scary. From everything he has done, only one thing was actually an issue, but he already apologized to the person he did dirty. While the whole ableism controversy was a reach. He has said one of the biggest reasons he left was because he was depressed. He needed to leave to recharge and i think it was good that he left. In kpop ive seen idols do way worse and they are doing fine in the industry 🙄

[@megawitz7442]

Another important fact that he mentions is the Zach Sang interview is that during all those past incidents, he was on anxiety meds. I know from personal experience that those kinds of meds can bring out very dark parts of a person. He even mentions how everyone around him was saying he wasn't himself when he was medicated and after moving back to America, he was able to notice that they did effect him. I don't think emotional and cognitive side effects of medication is talked about or accepted enough. It doesn't excuse him, but it is definitely something to think about when considering why he was lashing out so much.

[@seila-4838]

Bro honest kpop fans need go touch the grass, taking out the Jamie controversy EVERYTHING it's normal in relation with another persons, be sarcast, rude sometimes when someone it's botering you

[@moonamigi]

Jae suffered from having no filter and not thinking before he speaks or posts. But I'm glad he's reflected on himself and grown. Some controversies were blown out of proportion. Hes a gfeat musician

[@perfectpmh1020]

I am not his or Day6's fan so I probably will never fully understand all the feelings related. However I kept up with all the stuff going on to this Interview and would wholeheartedly agree to everything said in this video. The last interview he seemed very careful to balance his honest way to approach things while also be mindful of everyone's possible perspective. It seems he has matured and grown a lot and although there were so many little stupid comments, what's what matter now is the present. I found it sad if everyone has to be perfect from the get-go...especially we are holding very young people to the standard. I understand that he was already in his 20s however how much can you really mature if all you do his practice and work for your career. I think he said it himself he was kinda stuck at a certain age and now he caught up learning, growing and healing. I felt the sincerity in his words so I am inclined to give him the benefit of believing he is matured. I understand the hurt as well of being 'erased' ...it maybe typical for companies to do this after an artists leave but on a human level it feels shit if you work hard for something and suddenly it seems all for nothing. In that sense many things can be true at the same time...he can be proud of them, he can hurt a little and still be okay with his decision all at once. Thank you for the video, it's really good to see a level-headed mind about topics like that.

[@lynlvooid]

With all the controversies surrounding Jae coming out left and right was like entering a warzone with no ammunition against a tank of haters. The bandwagon hate was really bad, and during that time, the myday community was small, so our voices weren't really heard against all the people putting in their two cents without understanding the context. Yeah, most of his controversies were out of context. But as it piled up, I just knew that Jae was exhausted being an idol, and that the idol life just wasn't meant for him. Half of the shit he did wasn't even worth all the energy but people just loved to jump on the hate train because at the time he was the guinea pig of the mass Twitter hate. It was terrible watching it all go down. Personally, I still love Jae. There will always be a place for him in my heart even if I don't keep up with him anymore. The tipping point for me was definitely the Jamie issue, but I wish people would stop hating him for the things he's done in the past. He's matured now, and most of what he did was definitely out of impulsivity (not that I'm defending him for it, but this is definitely one of the reasons why he couldn't stop running his mouth), and I think he's doing way better now. People should give him a chance. He's not a terrible human being; he doesn't live to bring harm to the world. He has just made some terrible mistakes and he's still owning up to them. After all, it's all our first time living our lives.

[@lynlvooid]

The funny thing is, my friends who aren't avid fans was also keeping up during the time this whole thing happened, all agree that the hate was so forced. It's only in the kpop fandom where you'll think that this kind of hate is rational.

[@LeilaleilaZ]

I loved Jae madly at one point, but his destruction of character was so sad to see all i could do was simply focus on the rest of the boys struggling to keep the band afloat. Glad to see he's doing okay tho

[@horrendous_karaoke]

Very insightful video! When I listen to eaJ’s music my first thought was he makes music that reflects self-hatred and loathing. I think he reflected on his past a lot and is striving to do better. I can relate to having a painful past. I hope the past becomes lessons learned instead of an unmovable block of ice in his chest.

[@marianamm9649]

This is going to sound SO stupid but the smell of baked potatoes remind me of Jae 😔✋️ It's because I used to make baked potatoes for lunch every single day during the pandamic and I listened to his podcast while cooking

[@shri_shti_]

A lot of comments keep saying he willingly and happily left day6 but that’s not what happened Jae left jype > he stated it himself that he’ll continue being in day6 >Jype made the statement that jae has left the band. (I assume it was somewhere later that the decision was made and it’s unclear if he left or was made to leave)

[@mes6759]

Luh he terminated his contract, so it was expected that he would be removed from the group. It's a different story if he left the company after his contract expired, he could still with the group when they promote. wonder girls Sohee was still allowed to promote with wonder girls back then even after she left the company and wg membrs were allowed to talk about her. Jae's situation is more similar with nmixx Jini and sz woojin but minus the scandal.

[@shri_shti_]

@@mes6759 jae himself went on live and explained he’s not leaving the band. We can only guess, but I think they had a different plan initially. I agree that he was removed, I’m only saying that he never happily walked out of the group.

[@mes6759]

​​@@shri_shti_ Is he the company? It was his mistake. He should have waited for JYP to announce it. Did he explain if he had a talk with someone from JYP and that they had an agreement or he just automatically assumed that he could still be part of the group?

[@shri_shti_]

@@mes6759 bruh go and watch that stream and then talk

[@day6hwaiting708]

Okay, as someone who was very invested in the lore I would like to propose a likely scenario. It's not that uncommon for a member to depart an agency for individual contract reasons and still promote under their group, i.e. let's use GOT7 as an example bc Day6 and them were label mates. They all have individual careers and signed to different agencies but if they were do to a reunion under the GOT7 name it would have to be under JYPE due to copyright use. Okay, there may be a slight chance Jae wanted to follow suit. JYPE was unwilling to give him the level of creative freedom that he wanted, that may include aspirations to do more KZbin/streaming content AND to start a solo career with a more alternative sound and in English. So, imagine someone who has been in the system since his survival show program days, now approaching his 30s, you'd feel completely stiffled when your company keeps saying no to your ideas. Also, DAY6 did not have a lot of clout at this time, vs. the level of success Day6 now enjoys. So, negotiations probably went more poorly than he expected. He probably did want to find a way to pursue a solo career while not abandoning the group. But my theory is JYPE would never risk Day6 in case Jae committed a mistake which impacted the image of the group, which ironically, did happen in hindsight. People tend to read so much into what he says as him being disatisfied with being in Day6 when I really think he just means the company had a lot of control over their artistic output and he no longer feels he can adhere to this. For those who think Jae quit Day6 cold turkey, he didn't. He really did it in phases, starting from moving out from the dorms. That's why I'm convinced he was still trying to find alternative arrangements, but realised in order for him to go solo, he had to leave JYPE entirely and that meant having to give up Day6. He seemed to always reminded his fans that he wasn't DONE with Day6, rather at his current state, he felt unable to be a productive member of Day6. So this always alludes to the fact he would like to see the day of reuniting. Although, realistically, without a contract with JYPE, he's defacto out of Day6. It was an inevitable choice he had to make. If he didn't leave JYPE, it would have been so hard to promote with his music style because it's not something the korean public responds well to.

[@milkyway-hs8jl]

jae는 그 누구보다 자기 성찰을 하는 사람입니다 그의 과거 언행에 대해 이러쿵 저러쿵 하는 사람들은 본인의 언행 부터 짚어보길 바랍니다

[@LKelz]

Honestly I don’t get why people angry at him for standing up for his boss JYP is the boss of the entertainment but he doesn’t control everything … he is the CEO he just gets commission of money his company makes but he is not aware of every single thing his company does . Why do you think you know more about JYP than people who worked for him ? 8it reminded me the recent controversy people hating on newjeans for siding with MHJ . She worked with her . She knows more than you . We don’t know artists as person and we don’t their boss . And when people speak up for their boss they get shamed ? They know more than we do And they worked for them why do act like know it alls Many artists who worked for JYP has a good relationship with him . Consider he is a singer and dancer , he is still putting out music in his 50s and he is passionate about performing , he understands artists struggle more than most CEOs becuase he went through this struggles himself , being rejected by SM due to being conventionally unattractive.and he put lots of effort to his work and never gave up performing when he has more money to retire right now and don’t have to work a day for his life yet he still sings live and of courses his artists gonna respect him because you will feel bad not work hard when you see your boss out their grinding Let idols speak for themselves , if idols stand up against their company we should support them , if Idols speak for their company and managers we should support them as well

[@wherethesunsets]

Such a great video, to which I agree a lot. I am glad that he seems to be acknowledging his past attitude and what drove him to it. Although it kinda looks like he still has quite a journey to heal, looking very roughly at his self-loathing lyrics and his own descriptions of himself and that era as well as the hurt of how day6 is moving forward without him, which as painful as it is, they have to. I mean he officially left and they are not re-recording all their discography to erase his voice, he was part of Day6 but he no longer is, this is also something all people have to accept, I do get that it stings, mostly the "four" thing feels like not even an opening is left - in case he wanted to perform with them sometime in the future- but who knows. *sigh* It is what it is and rebranding can be quite necessary to ensure identity and that includes the fandom or to survive and keep relevancy or to initiate or gain new attention - he knows how this industry works- I also hope he can face this and be able to truly let go of anything that still ties him to hurt about that era of his. He already seems on the path. Truly after the thing with Jamie, I stopped following his solo activities, besides personally not liking quite much his individual music style however I was glad when a clip of the interview appeared on my feed and he looks more peaceful. Also what a thing, to become the very distress he wanted Day6 to not have, but rather he worked to get them to shine, give the band a spotlight, trying to make more people know of them and then to turn into their "dark spot". Very Greek tragedy honestly- not to downplay his situation- I truly can't help but feel for him. That does not mean I stand behind his wrongs, being mentally ill does not excuse you to be a jackass. He chose then to follow his anger, and I'm glad he notes this now. He also had this kind of "voice of reason", for a lack of better description, reputation/vibe previous all of this situation, that when his controversies happened only fueled the animosity people started feeling towards him. I remember he used to calm down and refocus kpop fans on twitter whenever anything happened that sparked fights or talks. Being some sort of an older brother "let's focus on the important stuff, we should make it better together" type of mindset, besides his relatability and comedic relief he gave that too to fans. He was seen as someone who read the room, so in a sense many were aware he knew and had done better and when all of those things happened the image of him changed to be someone he did know but did not choose to follow as he used to. Sometimes I think being this "older brother/voice of reason" perception of himself along with his sarcasm also paved some sort of hubris(?) moral superiority(?) that only fed into his "hate trains are coming for me" /" I am right, you are wrong/stupid" mentality that was building up along his mental health and pent up rage, making his perspective so distorted that it made sense to him to act and react the way he did to all of it and push actual concerned voices to the side. Also, I really like this comment section that leaves room for all the nuance and is having such a nice discussion in the comments (from what I have seen).

[@lins_z2]

I feel like if they don’t like his personality and humor, they should just ignore him??? People are way too sensitive nowadays. I’ve never understood the drama. If you don’t like it, tune out! Find someone else!

[@belly2495]

the first controversy it's so funny he's an adult, why were ppl overreacting on this

[@springchild6681]

I always thought that Jae doesn't have the necessary filters for beeing a streamer. Not everyone is build for that. And to be honest almost every big streamer had his controversies, and they are forgiven way easier because they dont have a kpop audience. I personaly have forgiven everything because he seemed so genuine in his regret and I am a huge fan of his solo stuff. I just think its really good music. 😊

[@_lvsoul]

The Jamie incident was the tipping point for me. As someone who was there for most of jae's streams, you could really tell that he wasn't doing well. After the apology livestream, even though I understood his situation I stopped following him on all social media and haven't checked on him until a couple of months ago. I'm really glad to see that he's in a better state now and that he fully realized the gravity of his mistake. I feel like the situation w day6 is still complicated. When he was in the band, it almost felt like jype wouldn't take him seriously as an artist. Even when they were in hiatus and even of day released their first album, Jae revealed in stream that no one in jype told him anything, and that he was confused. The fourever album is a new chapter in the band's history, and ofc it hurts him seeing the band move on !! He spent like more than a decade in that company. Talking only about the 'public' side of things (don't want to assume about their personal life) it's also v reasonable that the company has tried to insist on day6 being only four members and that the boys don't talk about him (remember they are idols!!) When day6's name was brought up, Jae's controversies and him leaving the group were at the center of the conversation instead of their music. They've made a lot of effort to finally get the spotlight they deserve as four!! (go listen to band aid it's amazing) So because it's such a difficult situation i wouldn't criticize anyone for not doing their best Also there's the huge difference of Jae not being and idol anymore, in the interview w zach sang he's talking in a way he prob wouldn't have if he was still under a contract. To finally close this comment (lol) imo the success that DAY6's been having recently is a step in moving on from the past controversies that kinda created a 'stigma' (if u can even call it that) w the gp. And from what I have seen Jae's been busy w his music career too :) edit: +wanted to thank you for making such a clear video on the topic, it's v refreshing to see this on kpopyt

[@b1ossom.cherry]

i dont even think the first 5 should count as controversies, like they are normal, and ppl nowadays get offended over everything, like it was never that deep fr. the jamie one was bad tho omg i felt so bad for her when that happened:( i do think it was better for jae to break out of the korean industry, i feel like it just wasnt ment for him, and jype did such a terrible job of managing him AND day6

[@TigeruSpear]

Apart from jamie, I felt that most of this was normal stuff in twitch And now that he is independent I don't see why he isnt allowed to explain most of his situation and past I mean as a fan i would want to know his opinons, reasons and experience like thats y we follow most ex pros Like if i wasnt allowed to create my own youtube channel to share my music by my own company i would be pretty upset, too and something i would definitely share if there was no NDA

[@imaznfade]

yes he made mistakes & they were bad for what it was. but he’s acknowledged it, apologized & is really trying to become a better person. your mistakes shouldn’t define you. i’ve talked to him in person & he was so genuine, so sweet as well. so i hope ppl learn to look past his mistakes & focus on the fact that he wants to be better.

[@wonpilpooks]

jae definitely might have made some mistakes and some of them might not be okay to be just brushed off but i believe that he’s definitely held himself more accountable for everything he has done and has definitely done a lot of reflecting ever since he left the industry. i think it has allowed jae to look back more clearly on eveyrhting that has happened and indeed the kpop industry seems like it would get one entirely wrapped up in eveyrhting that has happened and as jae said he felt like his mental age kinda paused at some point. i do think that jae has been maturing and growing over the years so let’s support him!

[@soralution]

Ig this may also be why I didn't end up listening to any ot4 day6 content, idk if it's cuz of the controversies, of the boredom or if it's cuz of the hurt but I'll make more of an effort to stay tune to ot4 day6 + Jae's solo work as the best has yet to come for both 💞💞💞

[@momomomo__]

When it comes to Jae, I really think he's a prime example of someone who seriously needed to just log off for a bit. And he has, which clearly has helped considerably. He's apologised for his mistakes (properly this time around) and seems to be trying to make things right. All we can do is let him grow and become better. One thing I hate about both kpop fans and online space users in general is their refusal to let go of things when people have acknowledged their mistakes and are trying their best to be better. Some people will refuse to apologise, so those should still be held acountable (respectfully!!), but a lot of people, specially idols, made a mistake once, apologised and never did it again. What else could we possibly expect from them? I think with Jae, we saw someone who hurt people because he didn't know what to do with his feelings. A lot of the "problematic" behaviour from him was also just him making jokes that had no hope of landing, considering his audience, and wording frustrations with the way fans treat idols very poorly. The only instances when he truly did something shitty in my opinion was his comment about neurodivergent people and his comments on Jamie. Jamie has forgiven him and I'm pretty sure he's educated himself on why his comments about sarcasm were badly received among neurodivergent people. He's clearly remorseful and the people he's hurt have accepted his apologies, so why can't we just let him move on? You don't have to like him or support him, but if that's the case just ignore him, because there's no point in constantly bringing up mistakes he's aware of, apologised for and is trying to move on from.

[@jna9841]

watching (listening to) this vid just made me feel annoyed. lol because why are these "controversies" not feel controversial at all? the issue with jamie was the only that's messed up. other than that, i do get why he's not really being apologetic about the OTHER controversies because i also dont think they're that serious.

[@kukac452]

Tbh its understandable to be mad about controversies since it affected the whole group. But to hold that grudge and actively hate comment him on anything he does is pretty childish behaviour. And these commenters say he cannot let go of the past, even tho they really are the ones unable to do so. Also, people picking out random stuff out of this interview without context are just sturring up way more trouble and actually making this cycle go on and on. If they really did watch the whole video, then they should see, Jae is healing and is very much aware how much damage he has done with his acts back in the days. So it's time to let him go, haters. If you really want Day6 to stay out of controversies, do not get upset in the comments, do not post hateful stuff, and do not connect everything he says to the band. Thank you.

[@asserm.8047]

hearing his recent response to such a difficult question, when contrasted to his previous controversies made me realize he has grown as a person. i think he chose his words carefully and showed care about other people's emotions, while at the same time being able to express to an extent what he himself truly felt. all of this vulnerability and poise was missing from his previous online "apologies" and comments. i hope that he is in a better place now, and that thats part of the reason why he has grown emotionally

[@RAINFALLU_4466]

I like day6 since "congratulation" and OT5 is so iconic. There is nothing wrong with what eaj said in the interview, as a former member of the group. Do you know what he felt like? He spent precious time with them, making songs, from the beginning..of course he felt that way. People just judge without feeling it themselves. And he also never said bad things about day6 or jyp, but instead felt guilty that he could have handled this problem better. Haters are really idiots😂

[@TV-gm7ct]

남 미워하는데 시간 쓰지 마세요 가장 허비되는 시간입니다.

[@chrrytrbl]

04:50 but his words WERE purposely mistranslated before this? he wasn't trying to divert attention, he was talking about something that had happened to him. 09:50 he has addressed this multiple times, that he meant concept wise. if you had watched the toast interview you would've seen it was in relation to that.

[@nehalilisays]

This kinda gave me 3rd gen Kpop nostalgia. I haven't followed Day6 or Jae in the last 5 years, so when I watched that Short from the Zach Sang Show (subscribed since his first BTS interview, lol) I was like "oh no, what happened??". So yeah, thanks for explaining 😊

[@gaiza9324]

i didn't even know that sth was happening with jae or even that he left day6! thank you for covering the topic

[@dearyoongi]

thank you so much for watching! 😊

[@misstiger6126]

So early, there are no interesting comments yet🤭 Love the discussions you start with the videos!

[@anukasmunakas]

I feel like everything he did was nothing bad at all, excluding the jamie comment. but like yeah they werent the nicest things to say but i totally get why he felt that way and its frustrating that fans can be whatever they want no matter how hurtful they are, but a celebrity has to be perfect. BUT i also do agree that him lashing out wasnt a good reaction to have and i get how that happens too and i am happy if hes really taken time to think about things and reflect and grow!

[@beastghostt]

Making the move to live content will inevitably impact your image, no matter what you were known for before. So many popular internet personalities have lost fans and/or had public perception of them dramatically change based on what they're like unfiltered. It's extremely common here on KZbin.

[@_nin00]

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[@xxheart_breakerxx8732]

Regarding the stray kids incident, it’s so funny how people expect an reasonable response to their disrespectful behaviour. Sorry, this guy is just not treating everyone around him like snowflowers

[@MikuHatsune159]

great video. I agree we just have to remind ourselves that we can hold people accountable for their actions but if they show improvement, we can at give them some forgiveness. I don't personally catch up with him anymore but if he's starting to heal, that's all that matters right now. He'll always live in my memory as Jae and Jae from Day-6, he hasn't done anything that would outright make him irredeemable here.

[@butterfly_waltz]

Thank you so much for making this video. I love reading comments here because people here are more rational, forgiving and understanding. I am tired of reading hateful comments on X. People there are unforgiving and hypocrites (as if they're the purest kind of human beings lol). I was disappointed with some of his actions and blamed him for spending so much time in social media instead of taking a break from sns and just focusing on his mental health. But I guess everything really happened for a reason. Things he had to gone through for his own growth and healing. As he said he never grow up in the industry he's still the same 18 y/o boy for nearly a decade. True enough, he really acted like some teeanage boy trying to be edgy after things downspiraled. I am really glad I didn't left him during his darkest time and got to see him growing as a person.

[@Jademc123]

this video is very well made! thank you for making it ❤

[@dearyoongi]

thank you so much! I really appreciate it 🥺💖

[@Concerned_Kitten]

Sounds like most of this is just people being ridiculously sensitive. The Jamie thing was the only thing that's actually messed up.

[@undecidedcontent8062]

seems like he was truethful and ppl couldnt handle that... we all know theres things wrong with the industry but when he says it thats wrong ok

[@teasoup]

Kind of want to chime in as someone who has not thought of Jae since i heard about what he said about Jamie. I don’t want to be the type of person to excuse the first incident in the video with that typical statement of “it’s just guy’s humor” because i think that can be used for a lot of harmful things but to me it’s not something very offensive, probably not something he should do if he wants to work under a big korean company but not a big thing to me. i also honestly don’t think his reaction in the second incident is so bad, i understand the frustration. outside of calling fans stupid, but i understand emotions taking over in the moment. however i think his response to someone neurodivergent expressing their concerns is just weird? i don’t know if i would label him as ableist (i have diagnosed audhd myself) but it’s certainly immature. anxiety disorders aren’t part of neurodivergence and i’m not here to question whether he has adhd but different neurodivergent people are different. one neurodivergent person may be able to understand sarcasm while many may not. and i want to remind people that neurodivergent or just disabled people in general can absolutely be ableist or insensitive. the jamie issue is the one i actually have the most problems with. what he said was absolutely misogynist whether he was joking or being serious. jokes can be prejudiced just as anything else. his reaction when it happened also shows me his immaturity. it feels as though he might be used to his friends/“the boys” liking these kinds of jokes and expected everyone else to as well. the fact that he felt the need to comment on a woman’s expression of herself (in this case in relation to her body), regardless of if she’s a friend or not, is gross and shows how he views women. jamie’s reaction only solidified that this wasn’t something he’d checked if she was comfortable with but he was perfectly happy to say it live in front of an audience. glad he apologized and she said things are ok but it still weirds me out. no i don’t think he’s some characature misogynist who doesn’t want women to vote or wtv but he clearly has some internalized stuff he absolutely needs to work on and idk if he has. i don’t really like the use of “hurt people hurt people” in this video because, while i sympathize with the hardships he may have gone through, i don’t think that justifies him saying what he did about jamie or being ignorant. it’s also a term originally meant to explain why victims of abuse become abusers themselves. while i think it’s fine to use the term for other situations i don’t think we know enough about jae’s situation (and we shouldn’t that’s his private business) to diagnose him as someone who has been traumatized or hurt like that. my question is what has he done since then that makes people think he’s changed? this is a genuine question because i haven’t even heard his name since the jamie incident. is it just that he hasn’t said any more misogynistic stuff? that should be the base line. i’m just wary of praising celebrities for minor things. i don’t mean to sound harsh i just want to warn people from going down a path i think is harmful. tldr: i don’t think he deserves a massive hate train but honestly i’m not remotely interested in what he’s up to next myself and think he still has a lot of growing to do. i think we should always question celebrities’ motives for “turning a new leaf”

[@Lia-Kim]

I’ve loosely followed him since the Jamie incident, and while I can’t speak for his private life. He has somewhat publicly grown ifkwim (bcz of how often he’s live). Perhaps it’s a bit more exaggerated to me because I did follow him really closely while he was apart of Day6 but the way he carries himself in conversation now is rather different to how he used to imo at least

[@winteryjoy]

As someone who has been following jae for a couple of years now, I can say he has changed a lot compared to the person he was when all of these controversies arose. To address your comment about the usage of "hurt people hurt people" in this video, I would argue that they used it appropriately because Jae has opened up to his fans that his time in South Korea was quite traumatizing for him -- where for a long time he wasn't able to play the guitar because of the painful memories it brought him. I won't dare claim to know about his private life or all of his past experiences. Still, from what he has said in interviews and such, he wasn't in a good place nor did he have a good support system so it greatly affected his mental health. He was hurt, and his pent up anger caused his to make bad decisions that hurt others After he left the band, he has never shied away from admitting his past mistakes and taking full accountability for it. To this day, he continues to discuss those mistakes and the impact that its had on others. He has used his platform many times to spread news about social issues and injustices in order aid others. hes just been a dude who is more mature, thoughful and kinder

[@teasoup]

@@Lia-Kim i’m glad to know that and i’m always happy to see someone grow and mature! thanks for letting me know

[@day6hwaiting708]

As someone who felt very hurt by his mistakes, it's the fact that you can simply tell he's a lot more thoughtful and conscientious now. He approaches everything with a lot of mindfulness, when you hear him speak, it reflects that of a person who has reflected deeply on themselves. He's probably still far from perfect but you have to admire the growth. Also for all the crap people brand him as a horrible human being, he seems to really care way more about societal issues, I heard some Indonesian MyDays say he used his platform to highlight political/societal injustices and they were very appreciative of it. But he kinda mostly told them to stay safe amidst the chaos. That's still more than what most artists would ever do for their fans.

[@Liv652wig]

I would like to say that I understand why he's hurt about "Fourever" but I also really really don't. He left, years ago mind you, and the rest of the members *needed* to rebrand. This is business, something that he'd already experienced in the group. They're called Day6 bc there were 6 of them and like 6 months into their debut Junhyeok violated the terms of his contract and was removed from the group. Boom! Now they're only 5 and they have to rebrand as 5 while still being called Day6 and having everyone ask them "why day6? There's only 5 of you". Granted his decision to leave was way more public so less people needed to ask BUT it's still been years since he left and years more since the last time the band released music all together. They needed to rebrand to ease the transition from 5 to 4 for the general public. And also he's not apart of the band anymore. They didn't scrub his writing credits, the music videos with him, the bts videos with him, or rerecord their songs (like they did with Congratulations after Junhyeok left). He's not a part of the band anymore so they're not promoting him anymore. It's as simple as that. This is part of the business. "Fourever" is a very clear and succinct way to signal to the general public that they are 4 now and "no we won't be talking about it because we actually can't". Jae moved on, Day6 moved on, can eaJ now move on too? And while I don't think this interview was intentionally released right as Day6 are in their current prime - these things are prerecorded and released on a schedule - it was bad timing. X was full of so many eaJ stans saying how hurtful that title was and how angry they were at Day6. So that's what filled up the tag when you searched for day6, drowning out their accomplishments. He's allowed to feel hurt, yes he is. But he should know that the rebranding is just business. The guys can't have his ghost hanging off of every new thing they do if they want to move forward. They aren't erasing him, they're moving on. It feels like a guy seeing his ex-girlfriend start dating again and be hit with the "but we were so happy together 🥺 how can she just date someone else??" feels even though he's been dating around for a while now! Sorry. I'm just tired of this.

[@soraya131]

dang preach it

[@saras.5619]

Thanks for this comment! Exactly what I wanted to say!!!!!

[@averyglendemming141]

THISSS exactly how i feel about him nowadays and he was my bias in day6

[@winteryjoy]

he's commenting on it because it's his story. A story that he shares with the other band members. It's something he was a part of for a decade and provides context for the place he is at right now. It's easy for you to say "move on!" because you're not him and you will never know how it feels to truly be in his shoes. It may just be business, but to him it was also something super personal that he dedicated years of his life towards. Seeing as he's the actual person involved in this whole ordeal, its so rude of you to discount his own feelings about it.

[@Mylife-clueless]

@@Liv652wig for context ( i don't believe you either watched the full zach sang interview or maybe just wached some clips) he first hesitated but then said that he felt hurt by it, which is completely normal and anyone in position would. It probably felt like he dedicated his whole life for day6 at one point. After he said he felt hurt by it he said that he knows and understands the reasons for the name now and that he know they needed closure and a new start.

[@di2071]

I was really big into day6 so I will say that the way Jae reacted to things back then was very telling of where he was as a person and dare I say his maturity at the time. He said a lot of things that could be considered in poor taste and thus angered a lot of people. While I didnt really enjoy his personality back then, it is commendable that he’s starting to learn that some answers need a bit of calculation. I’m still not really a fan of his now but I hope he continues his growth.

[@Chuxsss]

People are so dramatic lmao

[@soralution]

Oh shit I didn't realize I was early 🤣🤣🤣 I'm 20 mins after the original posting

[@dreamychaoslife]

can someone explain to me what exactly are his “mistakes” that keep mentioned in the comments?

[@와따]

he keeps saying things he shouldn't have in the span of two years at twitch streaming. His bandmates (that either on a hiatus bcs of anxiety or just trying to not let ppl forgot abt day6 by doing everything they can) also get so much heats bcs a lot of ppl just know day6 as a group. Fans also got so tired of defending him bcs he keeps doing the same mistakes, and the thing is while hes doing all the streaming is hes supposedly also on hiatus bcs of his mental health. Some ppl said that it is a miscommunication between him and jype, abt how long his hiatus is. But i dont even know what the truth is.

[@MirgAden]

If im being honest here yes i would love jae to come back to day6 but at the same time i feel like he shouldn’t cus of the fans. No disrespect to the fans, but i always despise the kpop fans and stuff for being too soft. Yes jae did made some mistakes that will definitely take into accountability but if im being honest here, this type of controversy isn’t even that big of a controversy at all. He was just literally being himself and going through a tough time. Yes i agree that even though if artists are going through a tough time, they shouldn’t lash it out on someone and stuff. But to me i think it was quite minor and this type of drama shouldn’t really happened in the first place

[@MirgAden]

Yes i do agree the jaemin incident was too much till the point he is hurting he’s own friends. But at this point of time i highly doubt that jae will return to Day6 and stuff, but i will always keep on hoping that one day it will happen. It’s been almost 4 years since he’s departure and people are still hating on him which i dont understand why.

[@MirgAden]

But i really do think that the label was part of his mental health deteriorating. Anyways that’s my take im truely sorry if i offended any fans here. I just want to state my opinion.

[@_nin00]

​@@MirgAden agree, the company was so worsh, got7 out, jimin out, eaj out, bernard out at that time... jyp change the ceo and some of staff not long after got7 and jae out of company.

[@eniddeltacross4410]

I can't understand why people are upset with him talking about Day6. It's been years since he last mentioned it. Even if he didn’t initiate the conversation, it will never go away. It's a part of him, and he will always be part of Day6’s success. You antis should let him be and live your own life. He's richer and a better person than you are.

[@MyDardoX]

First of all, first time watching your channel, enjoyed it a lot. Second I do see and agree with fairly everything you said. I've been as of right now a long time fan of Day6 and I gotta add that Jae was in fact my bias in the group, although I'm not usually the type of fan that obsesses so much with their bias to the point that favors over the rest of the members, I was first a fan of Day6 the band and the music, before I was any type of Jae/eaJ stan. Over the years I was always quite confused with many of the controversies he was in, because I actually never payed that much attention to their content outside of music, so in that sense I wasn't present and aware of what it was going on and if it wasn't for him aknowledging things himself over on twitter I wouldn't have probably realized almost any of it had happen. But seeing your video I definitely get a good understanding of people's bad taste in their mouth from Jae. But just like you put it in the video, it's not about erasing or putting a blind on in his past, but realizing where some of those actions may have come from, whether it's different cultural sensibilities, lack of awareness or lashing out from their own pain, and if through time they have changed their behaviours and response, having learned from the past, which we could consider at this point that he does understand how he didn't respond fair or mindfully to his many controversies and he does feel apolegetic over his previous responses and how immature he had been. I actually see it very reflected on his current music, those feelings. And it does paint the picture that he get's where he did wrong and he had to change in order to forgive others and himself in his own head and perspective too. And move on to feeling more free even if some of the public hasn't moved on still. I mean first he can't expect everyone to forgive him, but he also has the right to move on from it, as long as he as learned the lesson.

[@SyndroOmCani]

This feels like you're digesting & disecting chicken shit tbh. I forget how young many kpop fans are. These things aren't even problematic, they're sarcasm & spicy humor you would celebrate if a streamer or your close friend did / said these things.

[@dearyoongi]

I'm 25 years old. If that's young, then thank you! 😂

[@mxm7647]

@@dearyoongi That is young. Why wouldn't that be young?

[@kosmikchannel6192]

People there are hurting, hurt people 😢

[@soniaigwe3546]

Beautiful commentary 👍🏾

[@dearyoongi]

Thank you so much!

[@JBeechem]

All I can say is that people make mistakes but it’s the person responsibility to learn and grow from it and to do better and be better

[@_nin00]

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[@satellite.gl0w]

lmaooo this video made me into an eaj stan lmaoooo

[@ElenyM]

I don't agree with how he handled 2020 and onward. Looking back his mental health was not good enough to engage with the public. He was definitely depressed and trying to let off some steam which really ruined his reputation. Kpop stans are annoying because they want idols especially foreign ones to be "real" but then when they are their true selves they are bullied to oblivion by fans. Bangchan was canceled and had to stop chans room because stays wanted to do his dirty work. It's very weird to have fans turn on you for any mistake (not saying idols don't deserve correction) because they don't treat western artists with the same standard.

[@ohtanishoheis]

Idk much about skz so i havent seen any other reason why chan's room was canceled apart from him being busy. I may have seen one or two imply that that's not really the reason but i cant find anything that explains it. Perhaps you can share something?