Death in Grand Canyon

[@jnwd1723]

I recently saw a video of a family filming themselves and the scenery at the GC. The parents brought their 3 small kids up to an area where the guard rail ended and they were inches from the dang cliff. Their 2 year old boy was running around, darting places, not realizing the danger because the idiot parents didn't realize it. The mom was using a video camera to tape the view and the kid darted towards the edge and almost went over...he was with a foot of plunging off and the parents just laughed like it was no big deal. I told them how stupid they were and irresponsible too...it pissed me off royally...could not believe how stupid these grown adults were. Unbelievable!!

[@HMIslander]

I was there in 2012 and couldn't believe how close to the edge people got when posing for photos. It's not surprising to hear how many people die each year!

[@Al18Dickson]

I agree, we just arrived home from the Grand Canyon. Other than how truly beautiful it is to experience seeing the canyon in person and from so many different view points, the next amazing thing is how many people have no brains! There is absolutely no need to get yourself out there a few extra feet for any reason and risk your life. We saw one couple on ledge no wider than 6 ft wide with steep drop offs all around them with their dog. if you want to be stupid enough to lose your own life. don't walk your poor dog out there as well and risk its life! Many people with children weren't any brighter. One woman was taking a photo of her daughter who appeared to be about 8 years old. The girl had her back to a steep drop off and was no more than 8 ft away from it. If she stumbled, I shutter to think of the potential consequences. In my 57 years, I never experienced so many people in one place with no common sense. Now, after being there and hear of a death from a fall, I fully understand why!

[@angellacanfora]

The one and only time I briefly visited the Grand Canyon on a coach tour, I wound up rescuing a young lady who had crawled off the ledge and onto another smaller one below it. She wasn't able to hoist herself back up. She was alone, frightened, a small, slight Japanese girl. As I walked by I heard a voice crying out for help. I looked over and just saw the top of her hat and her eyes peering back at me from the edge of the canyon! It was winter and there was still snow and ice on the ground, but I managed to get a foothold on a dry patch and pulled her up and over. She thanked me and ran back to her tour group. I still can't believe all that happened!

[@tacopro218]

I think about the mental state of someone who commits suicide and I am filled with sorrow for them and their families. No one deserves to be on either side of suicide...RIP.

[@bretdouglas9407]

I visited grand canyon. Most dangerous place ive ever been. Sheets of ice along the trail which comes right up to sheer drop. No fence no guard rail. Slip on ice and away u go

[@Lehmann108]

The Grand Canyon is this incredible place, but it is deceiving how difficult it can be to hike, especially in the summer. My wife and I were there several years ago and were surprised at how exhausting hiking was.

[@canyonraven126]

Yes it is true the climate is much different than what most people are used to. High elevation and hot, dry air.

[@guitarttimman]

I was there. Some parts are very treacherous. Never trust standing on a ledge. I've seen them collapse.

[@bobbybaldeagle702]

I wouldn't get near the edge of that place if you paid me... I'm highly respectful of highs... It's not the falling that worries me, in fact the falling part can be kind of cool, soring like a bird or lead rock... It's the sudden stop at the end that sucks!!! NOT COOL AT ALL!!!! I was blessed to survive a 24FT. fall back in 2002. I ended up with 6 busted ribs in my back. And fractured my spine and bruised both of my kidneys which got me 7 weeks in the hospital and 6 months out of work... That why I say the sudden stop at the end of the fall can really suck if you live or die... I get a nervous tummy just seeing people standing to close the edge. I just don't go to places like that...

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks Bobby.

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

What a sobering video testament to the dangers. I've been there myself, but stayed way away from any unprotected ledges or precipice. Be safe, people. Somebody either with you, or back home, loves you.

[@canyonraven126]

Thank you.

[@user-vr5rl2qi2z]

It is amazing that in the last 800 years or so no "Havasupai " the native people of the Grand canyon, have not had one of it members have an accidental death in the canyon. I suppose it's because they are just not plain stupid.

[@tymesho]

spectacular camerawork. while traveling with my then 82 year old mother to Tennessee, we came upon a huge lookout roadside cliff. despite several posted warnings, a young couple decided to be "brave" and ventured past the barrier to the edge. I freaked out in fear, as their footing was terrifying. my MOTHER had a panic attack sobbing, and begged them to come back. (the cliff they were at was extremely loose and treacherous). they laughed at her! it was the most selfish thing I've ever witnessed. if it wasn't my mom, and fearing for HER health, I felt like I was going to become violent. I'll NEVER forget my mom's empathy for those fools. she's 87 now, and it STILL to this day affects her, and when we talk about it her voice still trembles, and my anger continues to seethe.

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I know your mom is a good person to be concerned like that. In my job here in the park I have to deal with selfish people like those you encountered.

[@tymesho]

thank you Raven, when i wrote this i was selfish as well. i took no time to realize your in the same position. i apologize. you certainly understand better than most! i wish you well.

[@bigdave46148]

I've been to the canyon a couple of times and have a copy of the book, Death in Grand Canyon. The ones that get to me are the people that don't understand how much water a person needs in that area.

[@ZiggyLu-og3zp]

*_Wow. This is interesting. A true story, I was married to a narcissist abuser and out of no where he wanted take me to the Grand Canyon after a night of hell he created. I thought it was strange but decided to go. When we got there to the Grand Canyon he oddly wanted to take photos of me and told me to sit on a rock in a specific location. I could actually feel my peace leaving as I sat on the cliff of rocks. It was near sunset and people were sparse. That night became the scariest night of my life as his abuse continued. My phone disappeared just before we had left so I had no communication with family or anyone. Well it wasn't until two years later that God revealed to me this man had plans of taking my life by pushing me over the ledge. I can see just how easy people can die there whether suicide or MURDER which was not mentioned here, extremely possible. He could have said, oh she jumped and people would have believed it without question. This was his plan. I have since divorced this individual and have my peace again. Everyone should know the signs of a narcissistic abuser. Learn as much as you can. 2/3 rds of murder involve a narcissist._*

[@makayla71399]

ZiggyLu 2022 Why do you think he didn't push you off?

[@josephflowers3003]

I almost fell off at matters point scared the shit out of me

[@nothing2see315]

What a peaceful looking place minus the tourists

[@thefacelessmen2101]

Death by heat exhaustion is common amongst tourists in central Australia several have lost their lives in the last few days, heat exhaustion is a very deceptive condition by the time you realise that it has got you its to late.

[@phtevlin]

I personally knew someone who fell to his death at the Grand Canyon--summer of 1974.

[@marcmarc1967]

In August of 1995 I was about 20 minutes from to top on Bright Angel Trail, when a sudden downpour of rain started for about 10 minutes. The rain was coming so hard it was hard to breathe, and very quickly the rain turned the trail into a raging river as the sides basically turned into a waterfall. We were lucky to find a small ledge off to the side where we stood in fear and crapped our pants. I gave us about a 50/50 chance to not be swept over the side by the flow of the water, but luckily it was over very quickly. Still, I find it hard to imagine no one died that day as there were tons of people on the trail, but we read nothing in the newspaper. Are these kinds of flash floods common at the Grand Canyon, or was it just a freak occurrence ? And do they result in many deaths?

[@canyonraven126]

Hi. Sorry for the late reply. You visited during the monsoon season we get in late summer. These flash floods are common out here during that time of year and a big part of the amazing erosion you will see in the southwest. Sadly, they do sometimes take lives. I believe a family of 11 died just last year in one of these floods that occurred between here and Phoenix. 6 years ago here in our village we had a massive flash flood that inundated all of ours buildings with water, probably including ones you earlier visited.

[@gregpoen4130]

Sorry for the snarkiness... You did a fine job with this video, and hopefully, lives will be saved. I grew up in Flagstaff, a couple of hours South of the canyon, and hiked in several times. I remember being amazed at the risks people were willing to take for a photo opportunity. May they all rest in peace.

[@kellialaine3250]

I worked there 96-97! Awesome experience! Awesome place!

[@martinschaffmeir7729]

Nice post. I went to look out studio. People were standing on a rock out post not even big enough for two side by side, having a what looked like a spiritual experience. So we get back on the bus and that's when the guide tells us, "5 to 7 people fall to their death every year" , he could have told us before we went out there

[@raybrensike42]

I've heard of hikers who ran short of water, and the river at the bottom draws them down, where they might get to water, but then they are too exhausted and having no food, they can never get all the way up, not being able to carry that much water. It's a trap.

[@caroltellier7048]

That was hard to even watch some of those foolish people out on the edge.

[@djr6876]

Lots vanish in National parks. With areas so vast and terrain so rugged , making it nearly impossible to find them

[@canyonraven126]

Totally true!

[@elaine5737]

I would NEVER visit here. I hate heights. Just watching this video gives me huge amounts of anxiety. Why would anyone choose to die in this way? Pills are much easier, smoother, just all around a more sensible and easier choice.

[@msmeowmeow5107]

Even imagining walking out to the lookouts makes me shudder.

[@canyonraven126]

I have some people on my tours who refuse to go within 100 feet of the edge. Even that far away you can still see some great views.

[@colinremmer2417]

I wonder how many people decide to jump or drive over & at the very last moment, when it's too late, hear a very loud voice in their head that says "Oh S**T. I wish I hadn't done this"?

[@badapple65]

I went to the Grand Canyon about 1-1/2 yrs ago for the first time. I can not believe how many viewing areas had little to No railings etc. It is a Loooooong way down. Not much fun waiting to splat on the way down.

[@HappyQuailsLC]

This is ~very ~ well done.

[@canyonraven126]

Thank you for the compliment.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

Cannot believe how close to the edge people go, and even sit. Was half-expecting to witness a fall at the end.

[@stacyritter4527]

my mother was a TWA Flight attendant -she was scheduled to be on flight that crashed they notified family that she died and was in paper ,moms friend took her place last min before flight departure.I wonder if they have moms name on grave stone ?Patrica Ann Carter.

[@canyonraven126]

Hi Stacy. Thanks for sharing. The mass grave we have here in the park is for the 29 United crew and passengers, so the marker to check would be at the cemetery in Flagstaff. Given the fact that the graves and markers were created well after the accident (given the long recovery process involved) I would imagine that the mix up would have been cleared up by then.

[@oldbaldfatman2766]

Thanks for an interesting and educational video. I have a fear of heights, so there's NO WAY I'd be going out on some rock ledge.

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks. Glad you found it educational.

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

Makes you wonder how you do get from top to bottom and back without dying. How long is the Colorado river thru the Grand Canyon? If you start at the beginning, Are you stuck for the whole length? Somebody should do a video from the start to finish of the canyon.

[@canyonraven126]

Hi Dennis. Those are common questions I get on my tours and some I addressed with a vid I posted last week. There are many rim to river trails. Of the 6 million visitors we get per year, most come and go without incident, but accidents do occur given the high level of usage. The Grand Canyon is officially 277 river miles in length. Not everyone who puts in at Lee's Ferry (the beginning) will raft the entire length, but many do. More than 20,000 people raft down some portion of the canyon every year. Most trips last between 4 days and 2 weeks.

[@AgnosticProle]

My sister and i drove from where we were staying in las vegas to the grand canyon for a couple of hours and i saw people walking on rocks shown in the video.

[@SuperLooneyrooney]

could use drones in some places to find missing ?

[@c.h.3513]

I was there with my wife, parents, brother and his girlfriend, Melissa, in July of 1998. She and I looked at each other and knew we had to get out there somewhere and actually FEEL the overwhelming magnitude of it all. We went out to the point shown at 10:57. Looks like a slice of cheesecake cut in 2. My knees were shaking as we walked out. I laid flat on my stomach with my head just out over the edge looking down and feeling and hearing the air rushing up over my ears with a faint howl. My parents said nobody realized we were out there until they walked a bit further, turned and saw us. They weren't thrilled. Got a great pic of me, though. Standing at the tip. looking out over the canyon with "JUST DO IT" on the back of my shirt. Would have been a good Nike ad.

[@pavelaevii6687]

Seeng this video is anough for me to feel like i am there. Is like a vacation to Grand Cañon

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks. Glad you found it useful.

[@robinlaurence6284]

What depths of sorrow often reside in the human heart. RIP now

[@DrJones-nh4my]

I don't get why people like to be at the edge of the canyon.

[@sandraweilbrenner67]

what ever happened with the canyon serial killer in the late 70's early 80's that killed a lot of young men . was he ever caught?

[@ridewithjasonhorvath]

Brilliant video. Well done. Bravo. Great information.

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks!

[@MrCalbber]

10:57 that's the right foorware for hiking....

[@tijuanagringo]

Such magnificent scenery. Frightening story. Well made film.

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks for the compliment Danial.

[@jackfrost2146]

I know a guy who leaped into the Grand Canyon and lived! He was attached to a hang glider though...

[@clayguy1]

I knew one person who was backing up for a photo who fell over into the canyon.. Man what a shock it was...

[@Laffy1345]

Marking off Bucket list. Not worth the risk. No.. Depression is a heavy burden to carry.

[@kckcmctcrc]

A woman from Dallas, Texas died earlier this month (August 2017) on the South K just after crossing Black Bridge....dehydration.

[@xxkingpeacexx1069]

The Bright Angel trail is treacherously beautiful ❤ sad to hear people pass from this beautiful canyon😖

[@Kreativeflame]

This is scary I was just there earlier today😕

[@daniellez.2462]

People can be so selfish! Not just the act of suicide itself, but consider those who have to risk their lives/time/money to try and save yours or at least recover your remains for your family. Mental illness can cloud people's mind and judgement but please think it thru.

[@DorothyGTyas]

Fascinating.... and sad! 🍃💔🍃

[@cruzanbum3108]

Well, sounds like the Canyon is doing her part on the overpopulation problem.

[@joemorrow7691]

Dont forget Thelma and Louise 😲😲😲😲

[@maxbootstrap7397]

How about rattlesnake bites on solo hikes? How far could someone get, especially if they were significantly off a hiking path?

[@canyonraven126]

It's always a possibility. We do have a one of a kind pink rattler called the Grand Canyon Rattlesnake, but luckily for most of us he's pretty shy. Most of the snakes I encounter on the rim are gopher snakes.

[@chatsworth777]

Do you have any statistics for the Lava Falls Trail in Toroweep? I've been to the trailhead a couple of times but, I'm too smart to hike it.

[@canyonraven126]

There have been some accidents in the Toroweep district, but not as many as in the heavier used areas, which are ironically closer to services.

[@johig4378]

People tend to give others the benefit of the doubt when addressing a stranger. We assume that everybody is of sound mind like us. In fact, mental health professionals have determined through testing and other statistical research methods that 1 in 5 Americans have mental health issues at any one time. That is 65 million Americans, or 20% of our population. The pathology issues a person can have range from personality complications to neurosis and psychosis, including medical problems which can become mental. Don't we all know a person somewhere that is a little off? And so, suicide should not be that surprising. The method and place often indicate that the person wished attention and discussion over this final act of their legacy.

[@cheflingunni]

Hey it's me Brandon from the tour guide

[@canyonraven126]

Hey Brandon! How you doing buddy? Sorry for the late late reply. I remember you and your family on my tour last year. I hope you can come back and see us again.

[@craig79792000]

Remember that time, Bobby and Cindy Brady got lost down there? That was a nail biter. Good thing that nice Indian boy was there to help. He was not drinking or building a casino or anything, just eating beans out of a flash light.

[@nonyabizniss5823]

dangling their legs over the edge to take a stupid selfie that NO ONE cares about. smh

[@BelusTraveller]

Loved the Grand Canyon Thanks for doing such a great Job, Peace, Belus

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks Belus.

[@Greg_call]

Interesting. I witnessed careless actions at Sky Walk... so close to the edge trying to get that perfect picture, inches from the cliff.

[@mrdayyumyum3712]

very well done, the most professional video I have seen by a diy'er.

[@canyonraven126]

Thank you. I'm glad you appreciated what I was trying to do.

[@wayneredmond3118]

Why haven’t concrete blocks been put in to prevent cars from driving over the edge ??? Readymix plants have many of these blocks available... Why haven’t steel pipes and chains been put in to keep people from getting to close to dangerous edges...?????

[@canyonraven126]

Hi Wayne. That's a common question I get on my tours and one I tried to address with the video (but maybe not so well). In many areas along the rim drive it's not possible for a car to drive over due to natural barriers (trees, boulders, etc.). The park service has also put boulders along the edge in some spots to prevent drive offs. As far as railings go, there are a number of them at the more popular lookouts, but people just crawl through them.

[@runswithbeer]

I have both versions of the book. Love it. This is a great visual addition to the text.

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks! Although the video isn't based on the book, some of the stories are similar. I'm glad you found both useful.

[@j.a.harbour5349]

Why isn't anything done about the horses and donkeys that are abused and neglected for tourists ?

[@bekind6525]

Someone just fell a few days ago. She was taking a selfie on the edge. Nov. 2017

[@cheapthrilll6323]

Sad. But i understand why they have to leave the wreckage.

[@m.j.morshead]

What about thelma and Louise.they dont mention them committing suicide .

[@chriskinney3012]

so essentially, grand canyon is like Japans Suicide Forest

[@canyonraven126]

Perhaps it is in a sort of way, although probably less incidents here than at the Sea of Trees.

[@dreperez8403]

Geology sudent found 'The entrance'. I wonder what he found inside?

[@srrings]

dying to get that pic

[@dustinhinzman]

Seems like an dimensional portal

[@ifadamhadcorrectedeve4003]

Getting butterflies.

[@nutew4809]

Sounds like it's not really safe to go there.

[@canyonraven126]

Hi Carol. I would say it's only as safe or dangerous as the individual makes it.

[@rickyzhouse3500]

Back on this side of KZbin

[@conniekruse6745]

We were there last May. Beautiful but not brave. I would never climb over a barrier!

[@x2malandy]

I threw a big rock over the edge in 1964, and filmed it with a 8mm camera. I hope it did not kill anything.

[@youwerethere]

it killed some air and the rock's house

[@mikebetts2046]

You hit an ant. Thankfully not an aunt. Just be more careful next time, please ;)

[@pennynelson4377]

x2malandy you killed my dog! now im comming!

[@MJLeger-yj1ww]

That is a common urge from a high point, but VERY dangerous to do, you can slip, or you can injure those below. Please do NOT stand on an edge (it could crumble) or throw ANYTHING off of a high area. It's just senseless.

[@baloog8]

Lol

[@GooseyPooPoo]

Did Nathan Fielder narrate this?

[@randyhutchinson9910]

now, I'm not goin

[@55nsmooth]

It is very important that we let evolutionary forces follow their natural course.

[@robin2012ism]

Nice production work. Good VO too.

[@canyonraven126]

Thank you!

[@criticaldamage3770]

This should be an season

[@gregpoen4130]

"Recent but sad examples"? Exactly what do you mean? If they weren't recent would they still be sad? If they were sad, is it only because they were recent?

[@pinkmarshmallow352]

Interesting video. Beautiful views.

[@canyonraven126]

Glad you found it interesting, Tina.

[@redradiodog]

A Sasquatch grabbed some of them.

[@Kevinegan1]

I would really like the name/artist of the creepy background music. It captures the horror of a death scene.

[@canyonraven126]

Hello. I used several sources for the music. If there was one in particular you were interested in let me know and I'll let you know where it's from. Some of the stuff comes from a music loop program called Acid. Others are public domain contributions to sites like freesound.org Hope this helps.

[@Kevinegan1]

Yes that helps a lot. The music is used throughout the video but is predominate at the ending. Thank you very much. I am about to try and locate it.

[@Kevinegan1]

This video does not have the same music as it did the first time I viewed it. The music piece I am trying to find is instrumental with a really eerie door creaking sound. It starts with the sound of a police radio. It is used at the end of the video. I had no luck with "Acid" I really appreciate your help.

[@Lucifer-nf4uq]

WARPHEAD I really love this atmospheric background music

[@dannystanojevic1866]

Canyon Raven what is the name of the piece of music from 5:35 to 7:05 and where did you get it? Fantastic video! I used to live in Arizona and would visit and hike the canyon numerous times. I must admit I was young and stupid and never fully realized what kind of risks I was taking back then. I'm glad I didn't become a story in your video!

[@johnsmith-gt3po]

Great video. 800 deaths, that's a small town population.

[@canyonraven126]

Glad you found it informative.

[@the.magnus]

This is an awesome documentary

[@canyonraven126]

Thanks

[@stravromulabeta6340]

Well done . Advice noted.

[@canyonraven126]

Thank you Stravro.

[@Kevinegan1]

This is not the original. The original had a really creepy soundtrac. I do not know why it was changed and then re-posted.

[@canyonraven126]

Hi Warphead. When I updated the video I probably changed the music you liked. I still have the old one and I can give you a link to. Sorry.

[@canyonraven126]

Hey Warphead. Try this link kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHTOfGuBe8p-nMU for the older version.

[@JesusOurKing]

*Aliens made it so ignorant humans fall in*

[@grandcanyondriver]

This is very well done and I also thought the creepy music was an added bonus.... Hey did anyone see the condor behind hes coworker

[@canyonraven126]

Hey Mr. Lynch! Thanks for watching. Good eye spotting that condor! See you on the rim.

[@brendashouseofshine4954]

Heartbreaking stories.

[@randythirdsun6751]

I don't feel sorry for idiots who think earth is a playground!

[@CHRISTINEAZ]

Breaks my heart

[@tommybiggers3169]

wow. 15 people a year alittle less or little more.

[@lindataylor2131]

I've been to the Grand Canyon. They have viewing areas, and most of them have safety rails. Only an idiot gets too close. We were there in a Winnebego.

[@madpatriot7464]

Why did you let the people with the rascal scooters get so close!!!!!!!!

[@kevingee4294]

Thelma and Louise?

[@canyonraven126]

Sadly, after that movie came out there was an increased incident rate involving drive offs here.

[@Lengsel7]

As far as standing right on the edge like those people at the end of the video; been there, done that. Boy was I dumb.